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Obamacare’s Unintended Consequences: It’s Not Just A Technology Problem
Submitted by F.F. Wiley of Cyniconomics
Obamacare’s Unintended Consequences: It’s Not Just A Technology Problem
Ron Suskind’s Pulitzer Prize-winning account of Barack Obama’s first two years in office, Confidence Men, tells the inside story of the wheeling and dealing that culminated in the Affordable Care Act (ACA). According to Suskind:
By the time it passed, almost no one could feel great about it. The process had been so ugly – and the end product so convoluted – that even its fiercest apologists would acknowledge that it was a bill that was only a start.
We’re now getting a good look at exactly what Suskind’s “start” means, most recently with the launch of the insurance exchanges. Based on the latest reports, it appears to mean:
- Crony capitalism – see this report from the Sunlight Foundation (h/t Arnold Kling).
- Government secrecy – see this Wall Street Journal editorial.
- Prioritization of election politics over policies – see this report in the National Review.
- Inefficiencies and incompetence – see this article by Megan McArdle.
- Alternative realities – see Jon Stewart’s interview with Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius on The Daily Show (more on this below).
Unfortunately, these aren’t the worst of our problems. The HHS’s amateur hour created quite a stir, but it will eventually pass. Whether in three months or three years, programmers will iron out the new system’s “glitches.” We’ll then be left with more threatening and far-reaching challenges, such as hiring disincentives and fiscal risks.
If you agree with this perspective, you may also agree that two of last week’s most relevant blog posts weren’t related to break-downs in the insurance exchanges. These are:
- Tyler Durden parsed the Fed’s October 16th Beige Book release and found no less than eight references to the ACA’s effects on business activity. Here’s a typical observation reported by the Fed: “Many contacts also commented on reluctance to expand due to uncertainty surrounding the Affordable Care Act; some employers cut hours or employees.”
- Durden also shared a table reported by J.P. Morgan’s Michael Cembalest comparing estimated and actual costs for five Medicare programs, one Medicaid program and the Massachusetts state health reform of 2006. The data shows actual costs exceeding estimates by 107%, 129%, 150%, 644%, 817%, 1600% and 20%, respectively. And yet, we’re expected to believe the administration’s highly politicized projections that the ACA will be deficit neutral.
We recommend checking out both posts. They suggest the most important question we should be asking is not the one that Stewart repeated several times while grilling Sebelius: “Businesses were given a delay of a year, but individuals were not given that option, why is that?”
The bigger question is: “If the administration messed up so badly on the seemingly mundane task of building a website, how much will Obamacare damage the broader economy and the nation’s long-term fiscal health?”
The Stewart-Sebelius interview drew attention to the second question only briefly, when Stewart mentioned that employers were converting full-time workers to part-time due to the ACA. But he failed to challenge Sebelius’ weak response that “economists – not the anecdotal folks – but economists say there’s absolutely no evidence that part-time work is going up.”
This is exactly where an informed and unbiased interviewer would have dug further to expose the truth.
Contrary to the administration narrative that Sebelius was parroting, we showed in “’Anecdote This,’ Dr. Furman” that the evidence of an ACA part-time worker effect is conclusive. Not only are reports from so-called “anecdotal folks” too pervasive to be credibly dismissed, but the claim that part-time work hasn’t “gone up” is just plain wrong. Even though most employers are unlikely to finalize policy changes this far ahead of the ACA’s postponed employer mandate, government data shows that part-time jobs jumped sharply in the quarter before the postponement, while full-time jobs stagnated.
Getting back to Suskind’s observation that the ACA was only a “start,” it appears to be a rocky start based on the exchanges fiasco. We should be even more concerned about the part-time worker effect, broader effects shown in the Beige Book, and the history of health program costs. These are a few of the many reasons to expect an even rockier road ahead.
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So, he is a plant from that OFA group they hired to infiltrate blogs and shill for Progressive Totalitarianism.
And he brought friends. I count 3 so far.
Or he's three times the fun, with double emphasis on his own posts just because.
Hey Tyler, love what ya done with the place. Get rid of controversial yet intelligent posters like F_S, Joyful, I-dog, etc. and replace em with this shit.
Sure Obamacare works great if you're one of those who benefits. Then there's those of us who pay for it, who are feeling a bit tapped out, not to mention terrified at what our kids are going to have to pay to bail this nation out of it's fiscal mess, of which Obamacare will be a main contributing factor.
We could have bought all the uninsured a policy in the private market for less than this insanity is going to cost.
Oh, and say Hi to all your buddies at MoveOn.org from ZH for us.
You so called small government trash and your mouthpiece piece of shit party spent public money in the past even faster than the shitbird democrats on undeclared war and all of the hidden tax benefits benefiting those you hold dear. And know, please, that they see you as scum and only worthy of parroting their line of spew and they won't lift a finger to help your daughter or son who needs critical care to have any kind of life.
I remember their plan.....Get Sick, Die Early.
No you want to get on your high horse and cry about services to the general population of the country? And how the dems are spending us into oblivion......
No Trash, it's you and your's who have help plunder the unwary America with your lies and deceit, which continue even today, in fact this morning.....
Nothing but shit and lies...Go to Somilia if you want unfettered government....I predict you will be robbed and fucked in the first 48 hours! It'd be good for you too!
Way to have a substantive discussion!
You are deep in the Blue Team mindset... kind of like having a conversation with some of my in-laws.
He is not here to have a substantive discsussion.
1. He obviously doesn't know how. Minute you find someone on that side who blows up at my very first point (which is always a version of "Great idea, how you gonna pay for that?") you know he's a mile wide and an inch deep.
2. He was sent here to push an agenda. You think 3 pro-Obamacare trolls showed up in this thread within minutes of eachother by coincidence?
He immediately responds with personal attacks at the first push-back. He's an amateur troll. Don't waste your time on him.
Your plan - bankruptcy then starvation.
Thank you for taking the time to post. Almost 4 years ago, I took in a homeless man to give him a fresh start and a hand up. I have fed him, clothed him, and paid for his medical care. He helped me in finding Jesus and saving my soul. The exchange was very well worth it. If everyone VOLUNTARILY loved and helped someone else then the homeless and the needy would be better taken care of than any system could possibly provide. What is missing is an essential human-ness. And no system, no matter how much it taxes me is going to change that. Infact the more you tax me, the fewer people I am going to be able to help.
You sound very stressed. Much love to you. And God bless.
garcam123... You do not have travel all the way to Somalia, just walk around New York, Boston Detroit, Philadelphia, Chicago, Los Angeles, etc... if the locals don't get you some unethical and immoral cops (who may shake you down because they just trying to feed their families and bad habits too... sniff sniff) will.
Enjoy your visit but use a condom, we do not need another mouth demanding to be fed, clothed and entertained.
At least in Somalia the robbery and fucking is over quick, unlike the long slower version here. Don't you have a Moveon.org petition to sign or something?
garcam123, how old are you?
Recess is over, you should return to class.
Yup he's a good guy until he's told you are a threat and a drone target.
"He also pulled out of Iraq"
20 FRN$ sez we still have a presence there.
He also said he would shut down Guantanamo Bay. How's that working out? How about Afghanistan? Pakistan? Libya?
"now he is providing health care to those who could not previously afford it."
His plan(mostly written by revolving door specialist Liz Fowler) forces you or the taxpayer(for your 'benefit') to buy a shitty corporate health insurance policy. Sorry, but I'm underwhelmed.
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That is Bush's fault!
Never should have stuck it in in the first place. In sex and war.....that would solve SOOOOOOO many problems.
You miss one of the key faults of obamacare....there's no alternative when it's done at the federal level (unless you're a crony of obama's...or a obama family member).
Federalism allows for differences at the state level. One size does not fit all. Massachusetts is different from Alaska...but now, those differences have been thrown away for a centrally planned takeover....that will ruin this nation.
Central governance is not how this nation was founded. It is not the reason we have been the "great shining light" or the proof point for how to create meteoric development via a vis other civilizations.
"First he managed to feed Americans" : ummm Americans eat just fine without Government intervention. In fact, food has become far less healthy, more expensive, and controlled by more monolithic organizations than before the Government got invoived.
"now he is providing health care to those who could not previously afford it": You don't remember 1970's and prior when the poor had access to volunteer medical services for free and everyone's health care bills were much lower per capita. Then the federal government got involved and health care costs have skyrocketed. Government causes and issue, fucks it up, then proposes more government as the solution. My great grand father was a doctor and back in those days a doctor came to your home, poor or not, and tended to you. Before the AMA/Government got into bed together a doctor made about the same amount as any skilled professional. Now it's a blood-sucking monopoly that has wildly distored supply and demand...with the government's help.
"He also pulled out of Iraq": Using the timetable, plan and organizational logistics put in place by George Bush. His management of Afganastian is a disaster.
"provide amnesty for 10 million future Americans thus entirely solving the whole immigration issue": Nope, Ronald Regan did the same thing and it solved nothing. This amnesty movement will do nothing to solve the problem. The root problem is poor governence in Mexico, until that's resolved we can't stem illegal immigration.
ACA is a disaster. We borrow a tremendeous amount of money right now. ACA is accelerating this. Instead of streaminling medical care (eliminating the middle-men, capping tort, and revoking the AMA's monoploy) we're not going to get good medicine.
The ROOT problem is that we have people in charge that believe the Government is a provider of solutions instead of the janitor, basic watchdog on commerce, and defender of borders. Until we fix this, the path we're on remains unchanged.
WTF? Can u say @ a cost of 10 trillion in adfitoonal debt, ... bettet change ur name to "pollyanna who sticks head where sun never shineth"
Still in Afghanistan (soon Syria, maybe Iran), still running Guantanamo, and still not conviction one on Wall St.
I'd rather live in a world where people can work and feed themselves; I think the guys at Solyndra are capable enough for that by now.
Obamacare "sounds good to you" because you have not a single fucking clue what it actually entails and even less awareness of how much it will increase (yes, increase) the cost of healthcare in the US. You're a mindless sycophant (or an incompetent plant, not sure) who doesn't even realize that this piece of legislation was written by and for the insurance companies. Not you, not your Grandma, not the little kid that can get coverage, not freewheeling hippies that wanna busk for change instead of work for a living, and certainly not the American people as a whole.
Understand this, please. I'm a progressive (the real kind that could never get elected to DC!) and believe that single-payer is the only sensible system if you really want to have Americans shoulder the cost of healthcare for all, but anything short of that only serves as a subsidy gravy train for businesses that already turn outrageous profit on human suffering.
Wait until you can't afford your bronze plan because the cost of caring for all the "People of Wal-Mart" won't all get passed on to the Mitt Romneys and added to the national debt.
He's a bad buy because not watching the bottom line will make it straight up impossible to look after anyone, bottom or no.
Yayyyyy. Single payer healthcare. it has worked everywhere it has been tried - with no waiting and death panels.... NOT
This message brought to you by United Healthcare's personal asspony, Ronald D (Clown).
Holy SHITl!!!!!
What? You mean there is another voice of reason here in this hurricane of "I'm specialler than you" spew????
How did that happen? You mean everyone doesn't agree with cheating, lying, robbing and terrorism to get their "special" way in America?
Geeze, the time they ARE a changin.....I am so pleased you and yours have been exposed as the scum you are.
It will only get better for Americans as this healthcare fucking will morph into a healthcare system that will serve the real people of this great country!
If nothing else, I hope (there's that word again) that Obamacare helps you get the meds you so obviously need to get by.
"First he managed to feed Americans" ( are you speaking of the dramatically expanded and abused food stamp program that discourages work, promotes fraud, and extends an invitation of more freebies to illegals?), "now he is providing health care to those who could not previously afford it" (by making others work harder and sacrifice, again discouraging individual responsibility, disenfranchising American youths, subsidizing those who neglect their own care, expanding government, and intimidating business?), "He also pulled out of Iraq" ( after asking the Iraqis if we could stay and getting a no, then invading libya, yemen, sudan, egypt, etc.?), "next he will provide amnesty for 10 million future Americans thus entirely solving the whole immigration issue" (so that he can bury the country under racial animosity in a job-starved, bi-lingual, crime-increasing, oligarch-dominated, over-spent, social redistributionist policy to the world?). "Why is he a bad guy...?" - because's he is socio-pathic, narcissistic, racist, glib, a habitual liar, a cronyist, and does not like individualism or our Constitution. see now?
Aside from that he's done a heckuva job, I'd say
"He's providing healthcare"? You've got to be joking.
Any system that relies on force (i.e. sign up or pay a "fee") is doomed to fail. I think most Americans are unaware that this is a mandatory thing, just wait till they start getting hit with "the fee".
The only ones benefitting from this monstrosity are the bottom lines of the peddlers of statins, insulin and other life style drugs.
Furthermore , it's a plan that simultaneously incentivizes demand and disincentivizes supply (as in who the fuck would still want to become a doctor), so it can never work as intended. The plan willfully disregards fundamental economic law, as are most "ideas" coming from this white house. Meanwhile, the USD keeps weakening and as a result the US are slowly losing reserve currency privilege. Real inflation is running between 6 and 8%, driving more and more people into poverty. Yeah, he really looks after people at the bottom. You probably mean: He makes sure there will be more people at the bottom. There, fixed it for ya.
If any presidential candidate wants to bring back debtors prisons, I'd vote for them.
Is it really Obama that is running around taking temperature and blood pressure and diagnosing ailments? Is he providing health care? Is he feeding people? Or do you mean to say that Obama gave orders that others do that for free and threaten those others with imprisonment or other violence if they don't comply?
*FACEPALM*
Do you seriously think that subsidizing anything from the consumer end is not going to put an upward pressure on prices? Do you seriously think that putting an even bigger bureaucracy in place will not put an upward pressure on prices? (With a thousand page bill and many thousands of pages of regulations, there will be bureaucracy.) Do you seriously believe that having a captive consumer base will, on average, lead insurance companies to drop their prices? This bill is worse than a big steaming pile of shit.
Oh, and Obama said that the FIRST thing he would do if elected was to withdraw from Iraq. The FIRST thing. It took three years for the official withdraw. The man is a fucking liar, and that's about the nicest thing that I have to say about him.
Complex laws benefit the people who wrote them. Not the people who have to follow them.
Why is (Obama) a bad guy again? Because he looks after the people at the bottom and not after the bottom line?.
You are proof that only secession can solve our problems. Texas first, then the south and midwest will follow/join. And we'll have a new constitution that simply clarifies the old one. Examples:
2nd Amendment, add: "because if you let the government disarm you they will take everything you have and then murder you."
Article 1 Section 10, add: "because if anything other than silver and gold are used as money, the big banks will eventually - literally - enslave the population and you will find yourself working for a perpetual warfare/welfare state."
ETC
Nothing that can't be corrected here in the exceptional State of Halfrican'tistan.
Now eat yer goddamned peas bitchez...
When I'm selected dictator, I'm going to force you to buy things from corporations & government that you don't want or need.
Then we can go about working on refining & improving what I think you need.
lol. until your masters tell you the next product to push. It worked the first time, why not.
I'm going to force them, under threat of law, to buy two Colt AR15's, 10,000 rounds of ammo, a Humvee and lifetime magazine subscriptions to GQ & Maxim.
Its just the right thing to do ;-)
Guys, QE4EVER is the second one in this thread who's only been here for a week and is speaking the pro-Obamacare propoganda.
We're under troll attack in this thread, apparently. Break out the troll gun, somebody fetch the ammo. We're going to be having roast troll for dinner tonight.
I heard a couple of them talking.....Wow......this place is a lot harder sell than HuffPo.
If I like the AR15 I already have, will you promise I can keep it?
Yes, you'll be able to keep it, but you must also purchase an M16 and at least 1000rds of ammo.
:if you like your AR-15, you can keep your AR-15!"
I'd rather be supreme overlord than selected dictator.
The shackles don't bother me but the clanging of the chains is driving me crazy.
So long, frying pan; let us know how that fire works out for you, Skippy.
Well u better read it b4 u pass judgement.bcuz i have, all 2300 some odd pages and most people who talk about it absolutely don't know WTF they're saying. most have no frackin idea how terrifying it will be for those who don't have a favored exemption
WOW he can read. 2300 pages no less.
I have to agree that the current system is crap, well not entirely crap compared to some nationalized, socialized systems, but there is a LOT of room for improvement.
Only Obamacare is in every way WORSE than what it replaces.
So the question is, how do we even get some forward momentum instead of this regression to 19th century Marxist medicine? Will Obamacare include opening wounds to let them dry out, like they did in the civil war, because that corresponds historically to Marxism? Might as well. The web site seems like a good 19th century effort, too.
No, let's tear it apart and throw it out. If the website doesn't work, why should people have to die when they find out they can't get treatment either.
There was an opportunity to roll out a public option using public union employees as guinea pigs. They rolled out lavish pension plans for themselves over the years and and seemed to work just fine! and could have done the same with Obamacare. Obama doesn't want it for themselves cuz it's grotesque and the tax hikes we pay for O-care pays for their lavish health plans.
We work to 75 and retire poor so they can retire at 50 with lifetime benefits.
McCain\
We will repeal
I mean replace
I really meant repair..
The surge is workin'
It's a tax. Get over it.
It's a beautiful tax. To replenish S.S. obligations, to enrich the medical and insurance industries with financial guarantees.
No more fucking Mexicans walking into Kingsbrook Jewish Medical Center and getting free gonorrhea shots. Those days are gone.
It's a tax that even your retirement plan savings aren't shielded from. Imagine that.
It's the largest tax increase in the history of the world which was piled on in the middle of the "Worst financial crises since the Great Depression" (ad nauseum)... when the existing entitlements were already massively insolvent. If your intention was to be a destroyer of worlds, Obamacare was a good start.
firing squads
lots and lots of firing squads
Working people (Livestock) pwnd in Amerika. If you don't pay top dollar for it, it's free. The Obamaphone model.
Freedom is the ability to enslave others.
Remember, remember, the fifth of November.....
Jon Stewart's real name is Jonathan Liebowitz. His brother Larry is the COO of the NY Stock Exchange.
Do not trust "Stewart". He is a well connected insider.
The Tribe loves to soften their last names. I wonder why ?
Anecdotal to be sure.
Mrs.N works in insurance, no she does not sell health insurance.
She relays the story of how a young, healthy male, who owns a small buisness thought he would check out ObamaCare and see what it had to offer. He somehow got through the byzantine, bureaucratic maze that passes for a "free market/exchange" website and is now qualified for Medicare for all his health insurance needs.
Did I mention he is currently a young, healthy, productive, business owner?
This is not a glitch, it is a feature.
HappiDaze! Are there any sign up bonuses or groupons yet? I'll wait it out.
lol...probably won't be long.
We were promised it would cost us $2,500 less per year if passed and if I liked my doctor(s) or my plan I could keep them both. Well, my original plan is now gone, the one I have now costs 110% more and some of my doctors are NOTICABLY not accepting the crap insurance I pay DOUBLE for now.
All systems are a go, I'm supposed to feel happy & all Team Spirity just to have a job and not be on the public dole.
Fucking Forward!
at worst it's a tax, at best it's health coverage. it is not health care.
Exact same thing happened to my kids' piano teacher. Existing plan, gone. New plan Blue Cross is moving him to, 106% premium increase and his deductible increased by $2000. He called them to ask why and was told the law requires every possible medical scenario be covered, so he as a late 60s male will now be covered in the event he becomes pregnant. He's a great guy, originally from Russia, and he's trying to figure out why he's getting buffaloed by the government here. He can't afford the new coverage. I told him to pay the penalty and go out of pocket for medical and sign up only if and when he truly needs it...he didn't realize he could do this, and was very intrigued.
in the states with Medicaid expansion, the cap for getting free Medicaid is about $15.5 k income-based only. plow your profits into business expansion, pay yourself $1k a month, take out loans from your retained earnings for living expenses and, voila, you are a successful business owner and free-shitter.
Wait until he finds out his estate will be responsible for reimbursing the costs of his Medicare. I hope his business is a failure so his family doesn't have to face that down the road.
"Meet CGI Federal, the company behind the botched launch of HealthCare.gov"
A somewhat interesting read for me (link below) because myself having worked for several government software contractors (primarily in defense related areas) I can relate to a lot of whats said. I also have worked 70hr work weeks on mis-managed projects with unrealistic deadlines. Although the money was good, I eventually couldnt take it any longer and left that field of work.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/10/16/meet-cgi-federal-the-company-behind-the-botched-launch-of-healthcare-gov/
After working on 2 DHS web sites I have vowed to work as a grocery bagger before I accept another contract with anything remotely resembling a government agency. Mis-managed doesn't even begin to cover it. Talented I.T. people are in too much demand to put up with that crap.
No offense, but you can throw a rock in any direction and hit a qualified IT droid.
@ Mad Scientist:
"hit a qualified IT droid"
Ignoring the implied condescension, I point out something you already know but temporarily forgot: there is "qualified" and then there is "effective and wealth producing".
No doubt there are great IT folk and medicore ones too (only a fool doesn't foster a good relationship with the IT dept) ; the problem is that the Peter Principle lifts the good ones out of the thankless drudgery and leaves the mediocre ones doing the job.
It wasn't intended to be condescending as much as point out that almost anyone can acquire the skills needed to do the work (fact is, most of my nephews could do a better job with their autodidactic skills than many of the "professionals" I've been exposed to at several NASDAQ-listed companies...usually "managers").
And ... Bam! ... Dunning-Kruger in action.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
So say we all...
.....dirty rotten shame if you managed to slip a backdoor or a virus in the DHS websites.
Why is there an exemption on employer contributions for temporary workers any way?
Let me get this right. Sebelius won't go to the House to testify but she can find time to be on the Jon Stewart Show? This is using the bully pulpit.
http://www.trunews.com/gop-rep-lance-sebelius-refusing-testify-obamacare...
Who cares?
Here's some short animations on Halloween (fun) instead:
For grown ups:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
For children:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
Fascism facilitates the development of corporate cartels and monopolies with a military industrial complex and ever more pervasive Statism to create broad based tyranny for the benefit of a chosen few.
America, Europe, Japan, China an Russia all employ the same system in variation. They are also used to create imaginary conflict and stimulate fear while legislating the need for greater security and war profits. They also all have central banks.
What all arguments seem to lack is the comparison with a society born of liberty, where people are free to choose and make decisions voluntarily regarding the extent of government and its' actions. Don't bother me with the glories of democracy and voting, they are for imbeciles.
When you require a service (mandate), that service becomes ripe for collusion and abuse for the benefit of a select minority. In this context, is the ACA any different?
We live in a totalitarian state. Slavery is the nature of a totaltarian state. We fool ourselves with lofty ideals of freedom, ignoring the reality that pervades everything.
Any person that seeks to rule another is a tyrant. Death to all tyrants.
i've had it up to here with people like this. how did they ever inflitrate & command such a platform in America? the answer is: slowly, very slowly, insidiously, under the radar, behind the scenes, out of view of the general public until they suddenly just take over & Americans are left dazed & confused. last week i posted a video from WARREN POLLOCK on my FACEBOOK page. Only one 'friend' looked at it and she said (this is a quote) : " this doesn't make any sense." even if i slap my friends silly with the truth, they just don't understand.
You've described a political system know as "Progressivism" which is real stealth marxism. It's been steadily working it's way through our country for the last 100 years and if you look at what has happened to the nation in the past five years the coup d'gras is almost complete.
tall gallows, short ropes.
Marxism never sleeps....
Obamacare's intended consequences:
Virginia leads the pack, as individuals aged 27 and under will see their health insurance premiums jump by 252.5 percent — $416.55 — according to the Heritage Foundation’s Center for Data Analysis.
Virginians under the age of 50 will see their premiums jump by an even greater percentage, rising from $228 to $991.03.
Obamacare's Unintended consequences:
This Virginian will see his US health insurance premium drop from about $200 per month to ZERO dollars per month, and not a penny more. These fucking sickos can find someone else to subsidize their pill popping addiction.
Basic economics. Anything that's government subsidized will go up in price.
The anti-obamacare debate is on the OTA TeeVee programs I can afford right now.
Sen. Durbin: "Why is the the tax code sacred? What is the point of protecting loopholes?"
Sen. Blunt: "Nobody is opposed to getting rid of loopholes, but the point is that tax revenues are at the highest level since WWII"
.... and scene ... (hint: the 80,000 page US tax code is now, and has always been architected for war effort rationing)
I am now watching a panel, where they are discussing How it is legal for a citizen to be penalized for not enrolling in something that they were physically unable to do? (figure out the obama care website)
I'd personally be willing to buy a copy of turbo tax if it meant better healthcare instead of being able to bomb brown people half way around the world at anytime.
Too funny. Will DHS seize healthcare.com website? All that money spent to badge engineer.
http://www.naturalnews.com/042564_Obamacare_software_piracy_computer_code.html
jon stewart is crap. he's there to make fun and 'lol shits all fucked up....but its not really that bad'...when in fact it is. expect the smartass comedians to lay low when the US really goes south...
What can one expect from an organization [government] that has no competition, in which no employee can ever be fired for incompetency, and derives its income from theft [taxation]...?
Tyler, the only real concern that Americans have about health care is that no one can afford it who already has negative cash flow and negative net worth -- about half of the population. Obamacare, or the ACA, simply fails to address that issue except through subsidizing an inherently grossly inefficient and ineffective health care system. Ross Perot once said during a debate when he faced his two challengers for the Presidency, "Here's how I would do it. I'd get my best people together to assess who does health care the best in the world? Take the best ideas of the best systems and make that ours." I guarantee that will not be Obamacare or anything like it. The best systems are all universal health care, with no billing of patients whatsoever. No restrictions are placed upon anyone seeking treatment. Decisions are left to the doctors and nurses, and general guidelines are followed by institutions who hire them and maintain facilities that are paid for at public expense. These systems all have better outcomes for patients and much lower costs, averaging about 30% of what we pay for crap.
The best systems are not all universal health care and in fact, many of the worst systems are.
THERE IS NO HEALTHCARE SYSTEM ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD WHERE THERE ARE NO RESTRICTIONS PLACED ON ANYONE SEEKING TREATMENT.
You either need to get out and see more of the world, or come back to it (and stop smoking Timothy Leary's ashes).
Yeah ... let's invoke Ross Perot who took a pass investing in Home Depot and Apple computer and picked some daffy old admiral for his running mate. Yeah ... let's quote him.
PING-PONG!
no billing of patients directly takes all responsibility for proper billing away from the patient's review. if, however, the patient must pay a percentage of that, costs, fraud and errors will all go down. there's a guarantee for you pauly.
Most people are still conditioned to pay a bill in its entirety because "it's the right thing to do," and many are too stupid to catch the fraud and errors.
Sweden used to have a decent system until they ran out of money. New restrictions are being put on regularly. And this isn't Sweden. The US doesn't have the money. Getting gov't totally out of the system is the only thing that will work in the long run.
Universal Healthcare will not be like that. It would be rationed nationalized/socialized medicine like in UK, with death panels, where N.I.C.E was just caught paying bounties to doctors to kill old people for things like gall bladder problems to save future money down the road by knocking 10 years off their lifespans.
This genocidal killing machine has been offing 130,000 people per year like this. Understand, these were not terminal cancer patients with 3 months to live. We are talking about 65 yo diabetics secretly put on the systems 'death pathway' when they come in with a toe infection. The N.I.C.E. system deliberately murdered said patients by having the doctor tell the patients to their faces they were on the treatment pathway and to go home and wait... and wait... until it was too late and they went septic and died.
There is rationing one way or another. With the NHS in the UK for example it's rationed by postcode and by the length of the queues.
As this was EVER about affordable care. This is exactly like welfare, not meant to cure poverty but rather to subjugate another voting group Into lifetime support of the "parasite class".
The last debt ceiling fight clearly illustrated that 75% of congress are full fledged parasites. We can assume 100% of the bureaucrats are members too as they were all too eager to acquiesce to shutting down their offices in support. It's clear Obama 's White House is just itching for a black swan excuse to throw out the constitution and impose a dictatorship as he bristles at having to stoop so low as to share power.
This is some Hope and Change the dummies who voted 2x for this fool got. Only problem, we are all stuck with the aftermath. Not me, first chance, me and my $$$; out a'here.
Stewart made Sebelius seem like a moderate with his repeated demands for a "single payer" system. The fool he is couldn't see the irony in his own statements - he's (gently) questioning Sebelius about the political corruption and bureaucratic incompetence that is Obamacare, while in the next breath, demanding that the government take over the entire health-care industry.
Yes. taking over the entire health-care industry is probably the goal. .....as I slap my self trying to wake up from this nightmare; this can't be true, those SOB's are really, truely destroying our one and only future. Maybe I should write my congressman and complain, that's it.
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For God's sake, GOP we don't WANT a one year delay!!! After a year, the Dems will be trying to explain this piece of shit tar baby every day prior to the election!! Sebilious is a true maggot she lies better than Obongo.
When a full time job is converted to less than 30 hours, is that counted as a new job created. If two workers are terminated in full time jobs and three hired part-time to replace them, is that counted as three jobs created? Is every person assigned to Medicaid at the exchange counted as an Obamacare enrollee? Are all the leeches presently on free Medicaid going to be counted as successful enrollees in Obamacare? Is Sebelius a chief mastermind of Obamacare?
You don't think that they would pass up all of that low hanging fruit do you?
If Obamacare is so great, why doesn't Obama and his family and all the Democrats that voted for it sign up for it?
It's like a chef that doesn't eat his own cooking. You might not want to eat at that restaurant.
They want 500 million as the population of the world and they intend to use ObamaCare to achieve it.
just a bump in the road to gov ran single payer healthcare for all but the politicians and cronies.
"Obamacare’s Unintended Consequences: It’s Not Just A Technology Problem"
Everyone is talking about the computer glitches, but the real problem is that it is a massive fraud.
" Stewart made Sebelius seem like a moderate with his repeated demands for a "single payer" system" "
I want an end to the anti trust exemption that the medical industrial complex has, so we can have a free market system.
My thoughts exactly on that. I see the MSM play that card all the time if there isn't already a leftwing stooge on the panel to do it for them.
When it comes down to actually getting people to come up with what is essentially the good part of a mortgage for health insurance that is when the whole thing breaks down badly. The Democrats are all loving it right now because the GOP is imploding but if they don't fix this thing they could have a revolt on their hands come election time.
It has to turn into a single user pay system with the option to have private treatment outside the system.
Edit: Take your aircraft carrier groups. Sink them just off-shore and make some nice reefs. Spend the savings on healthcare.
There is just something fundamentally really disturbing about an insolvent government, desperate for money, in charge of who is going to die when they will also the primary beneficiary of each corpse.
Each premature dead body will mean less future healthcare, SS#, EBT entitlements, while simultaneous confiscation of what is left of any estate. Even more disturbing when said government is also already known to be craven enough to blanket surveillance of citizens, target enemies with the IRS, and arm Al-Qaida.
There isn't a level in Dante's Hell high enough to put these lying sacks of shit in government for eternity. You might as well listen to Goebbels give a press conference in Berlin in 1938. What's the difference? There is none.
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My older friends who rescued me, who I help and care for have paid 'because Obamacare' surcharges, and got cancelled this year. These are good christian people. I'm not a christian. I'm a demon. I'm the monster the government utilized to slaughter massive numbers of opponents. I'm waiting for my old, honorable friends to die. Then I'm going to make justice. Try to defend yourselves, its more fun that way. At least for me, maggots. I am Yog! There is no escape. If you harmed my children you're on the fucking list. Aetna is top of the list.
I am the law.
I suspect many of us would wish you many successes. But it should be noted that corporate personhood aside, Aetna has no pulse.
Of course they know part time employment is on the rise, but they aren't going to be honest about it. It is part of their plan: The hollowing-out of the United States. First, NAFTA and other so-called "Free Trade agreements" began the process of liquidating our manufacturing base. Then the 2007 real estate bubble crashed construction jobs. Now this. Things are going according to plan, and the treacherous Jew Jon Stewart {he does have a lobby, it's called APAC and the ADL} is laughing all the way to the bank {like most Jews}.
Typical liberal or progressive playbook:
(1) have government screw something up
(2) scream that the problem is a crisis
(3) introduce a government "solution"
(4) government solution makes the problem a crisis
(5) say only government can solve the crisis
(6) introduce a government "solution"
(7) return to (1)
But don't you worry, the tax penalty for non compliance will be a well oiled machine.
Folks, it's a comedy channel. Along the lines of ComedyNBC.
It's not supposed to be taken seriosly.
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