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"Very Low" Obamacare Enrollment Admitted As Young People Just Say No
For the first time today, in addition to previous anecdotal evidence that the first several days of the Obamacare rollout (with 248 enrollees in the first two days) have been an abysmal failure, and the days since have fared no better, HHS Secretary Sebelius finally admitted to the Senate Finance Committee that over a month after the rollout of healthcare.gov, the enrollment figures have been "very low." Of course, being able to qualify the number didn't mean she could or would actually put it in numeric terms - it would have been simply too humiliating and may have forced her to finally do what so far nobody in the Obama administration has done: take responsibility for one after another failure (after all, for everything else, there's "Mr. Chairwoman getting to work") and resign. One thing, however, is certain, the "very low" number whatever it may be, is orders of magnitude below Obama's mission critical goal of enrolling 494,620 people in October, and another 706,600 for November.
Why is this critical? Because like any other Ponzi, this particular welfare program needs an influx of new registrants, especially young ones, to keep the funding coming in and succeed. Otherwise, not even all central bank chairmen getting to work around the globe creating wealth effects for a few hundred thousand people, or all false-flag, YouTube justified diversionary wars around the world, will do much to deflect attention from how the supposedly crowning achievement of Obama's two-term presidential career has disintegrated before everyone's eyes.
Politico has more on Sebelius' testimony before the Senate Finance Committee:
“We intend to give you as much information as we can validate,” Sebelius said of the enrollment figures being released next week. She said the numbers will include both Medicaid and health plan enrollment in the new insurance exchanges. She said the numbers will cover “the first month of enrollment,” which began on Oct. 1.
She also intends to give more figures that she can fabricate but there is neither here nor there. All that matters is that she has her job. Kinda like Greece and the Euro.
Curiously it was not just republicans crucifying the HHS Secretary...
Republicans chastised Sebelius for what they called misleading testimony that the website would be working when it went live Oct. 1, and a broken promise that consumers could keep their coverage.
Sen. Pat Roberts, a Republican from Sebelius’s home state of Kansas, repeated his call for her to resign because of her poor leadership. Sebelius did not respond.
The top Republican on the committee, Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), said Sebelius’s earlier testimony to the committee about the website’s readiness was “at best, misinformed.” He predicted more problems ahead and called for Sebelius to visit the committee once a month with status updates.
Several Republicans questioned the security and testing of the website, but Sebelius said that neither security consultants nor the administration felt those concerns warranted halting enrollment.
“No one suggested the risks outweighed the importance of moving forward,” she said, “including Mitre, who made recommendations to CMS as is required.” Mitre is a federally-funded nonprofit that handles much of the marketplace’s security.
... it was democrats as well - supposedly those facing stiff competition in the upcoming elections.
In the Finance committee, Democrats expressed vast “frustration” with the website. But they also had harsh words for the contracters tasked with building HealthCare.gov.
“I want you to burn their fingers and make them pay for not being responsible,” Sen. Bill Nelson (D-Fla.) told the secretary.
Just don't burn your own Madame Secretary: after all it is well-known that in Obama's administration the buck never stops with whoever is in charge - you see, they were never aware of the failures, ever. They only had full supervision over the successes, if any.
Of course, she wouldn't work for Obama if she didn't end it on a Hopiumy note:
Sebelius told the committee that the site will be repaired by the end of the month amid a “couple of hundred” functional fixes that have been identified. “We are into the list but we are not where we need to be,” she said. She also said the experts who have looked at the site and its problems have advised making repairs, not taking the site down completely.
Well, maybe not hopiumy enough.
But going back to the original issue, and a far deeper problem with Obamacare than the ongoing website debacle, is that the targeted core constituency of Obamacare, young people under 35, are nowhere near the fastest enrolling population group, with that distinction instead going to the oldest group, people 55 and over, which also happens the be the biggest use of funds within Obamacare. From the WSJ:
Insurers say the early buyers of health coverage on the nation's troubled new websites are older than expected so far, raising early concerns about the economics of the insurance marketplaces.
If the trend continues, an older, more expensive set of customers could drive up prices for everyone, the insurers say, by forcing them to spread their costs around. "We need a broad range of people to make this work, and we're not seeing that right now," said Heather Thiltgen of Medical Mutual of Ohio, the state's largest insurer by individual customers. "We're seeing the population skewing older."
...the numbers demonstrate a real-world fallout from the digital snafus: Less-healthy customers are more likely to persevere through technical obstacles to gain coverage, insurers say. Younger, healthier customers who feel less need for insurance—but whose widespread participation is important to the financial success of the system—could be quicker to give up.
Naturally, the central-planners had a response ready for this too:
A White House official said the Obama administration expects most young, healthy enrollees to wait until the last minute to sign up, citing research showing that pattern when Massachusetts embarked on a similar health overhaul in 2007. People have until Dec. 15 to enroll in coverage starting Jan. 1, with open enrollment for coverage during the year lasting through next March.
Because, you see, young people are so busy watching the Kardashians, working part-time jobs (if they are lucky), and hunting the rats in their parents' basement, they just can't afford to figure out how to complete a sign up form.
Finally, even assuming all these quirks are resolved, the worst case as most know by now, is that Obamacare is actually launched albeit with a several month delay. Because the hit to broader discretionary income will be so big, the Fed will have no choice but to engage in precisely the kind of NGDP targeting, read literal paradropping of cash, that we said would happen over a month ago now that the central bank's back is against the wall and nothing else has worked so far.
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If the Republicans help Obummer pass Amnesty then they are definitely toast.
In the Virginia gubernatorial race the Hispanics came out for the Democrat, if the Republicans can't see the writing on the wall then they deserve to go extinct.
I agree.
If the House GOP pass any form of amnesty or go to conference then the GOP is dead. Game over. The Hispanics coming out is Dem BS misinformation to cover up ballot stuffing in N VA. Also RINO Karl Rove pro-amnesty disinformation. The RINO GOP made sure to take down Ken Cucinelli.
See the 1981 Consent Decree. It allows the Dems to steal any election and they did in 2012, VA and probably 2008.
Yep, the Pubes don't win just because Obama sucks.
See, Nancy Reagan's "Just say no" ain't so useless anymore, eh?
LOL
The gift that keeps on giving.
like herpes
Screw Obamacare. I'm not signing up either. When I went to check out the website, I saw that it wanted my personal info and said "fuck no" and clicked the tab shut. Fuck'em.
Fuck you Obama, you lying blivot, and fuck your Chicago way too.
the sick twisted Fuck
I am thinking about dropping my current private insurance AND will not sign up for ACA. 44 yrs old. Fuck em.
there may just be a huge shift under way. healthy uninsured and living healthy and all the lard ass lazy fucks trying to hose somelse for their irresponsibility, but that other person is doing the same. it skyrockets costs.. worked with a super fat fuk and I asked him- do you give shit about your weight? he said fuk no i got insurance. that tells the whole story...
You just looking for them sweet, sweet internet points. I won't give you any.
$300 a month for a monthly expiring put option that doesn't cost you any more whether it's out of the money or in the money?
Yeah, I'm sure it's a "website" issue.
Think of all the pent up demand just begging to get in on this!
Unrelated. But has anybody seen this paper yet?
Can't connect
Fed about to make a Major Policy Change - Papers Just Published to Justify QE Infinity in order to Prop Up the Stock Markethttp://investmentwatchblog.com/just-in-fed-about-to-make-a-major-policy-change/
These might be it. Two papers released earlier today.
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2402906/pg1
Just to pint out, that when Benji last spoke, he was very clear to elucidate in no uncertain terms that due to falling labor force participation rates, that U didn't mean shit anymore. He even answered several questions directed at that measure and his retreat therefrom.
BTW, they were some of the clearest, most lucid comments of any Fed chair in eons...
Then Janet, at her acceptance speech emphasized 2 points.
Clearly and forcefully.
1.) The same as Ben and these papers about Labor Force Participation and need to retreat from the older U targets and,
2.) The absolute need for everybody in the Fed to shut the Fuck Up and speak only the official policy line. There cannot be more than one spokesperson, and that should be the chairman... as has been practice in the past. Depp dark distant past, before many of youse youngin's was even thnkin' about this stuff.
This whole cluste-rfuck has come about (re: Tapershit) because more than one person was giving more than one opinion as to whatverthehell was being discussed.
And that don't work.
Good quality products sell themselves in most cases and are not forced upon the consumer by law. Folks that are the target bolsterers of this plan are weak on wages, unemployed, struggling to pay back mountains of debt in a stagnant economy, or just tired of being nickel and dimed by the government with every faux dollar they are paid. This is just a reuse to cause such a mess that a single payer system will come at us before we know it.
Can somebody update the video of the Fuhrer reacting to the Owebamacare launch with this info?
'There's only one thing left to do now ... Let's find a way to blame Bush'
In weathly nations they give it to you for free. In communist nations they give it to you for free. In our nation they force you to buy it and pay 10 times what it's worth. Sick xucking country.
Well, if by 'free' you mean taxes out the wazzoo to pay for sub-par care (not insurance) then yes, technically you are correct. You (the taxpayer you) never see the money so I suppose you are correct, it's "free".
Also not sure how you became the final arbiter of what health care is "worth". Please enlighten us.
enlighten up and relax, have a blow and quite being so, well, anal...
The US has a fcked up broken healthcare system run by health insurance cartels and hideously overpriced as a result of coporate cronyism and crappy government involvement thereby pricing large sections of the population out of care.
Obama's solution to fix this was to force people to pay for it.
Pardner, you throw around the word "free" like it means it doesn't cost anything. I guess in those wealthy nations you speak of - not sure which ones those are - especially if they offer "free" healthcare - doctors don't get paid, and hospitals don't charge any money to anyone. Welcome to the world's wealthy nations, home of the all-volunteer healthcare force.
And here's some "free" advice, and it only costs your internet connection and your opportunity cost, unless you're reading this at work and therefore costing your employer money instead: Under no circumstances should you ever, ever get sick while traveling in a communist country. Don't say you haven't been warned.
@DR Gonzo
In wealthy nations you pay for what you need and cover the poor who need medical treatment. In communist nations you all get shit treatment but the fuckers running the show fly to wealthy nations to get treated. In America those who had good healthcare will now have shit and those who had shit will have good healthcare in comparison. Forget about opting out and buying private insurance. That option will disappear eventually because everything is going to the lowest common denominator. You will also probably lose any patient rights you have (malpractice) over time.
When the cocksuckers who want you to have it are opting out (congress), what does that tell you?
Welcome to socialized medicine Bitchez.....
Obama figures that young people will gladly do their duty and pay premiums to support his Obamacare plan to take care of older and sicker people, but what he doesn't realize is that young people have to make a choice between paying Obamacare premiums when they rarely go to the doctor or paying their student loans back.
Obama is clueless about what is going on in this country.
Obama is just the public face, and a puppet, of corporate interests.
Just as Baby Bush was before him, and just as Clinton was before him.
Please don't fall for the myth that the US president is "The Decider". I doubt he is even allowed to decide the color of the font on his corporate-programmed teleprompter.
Of course.
He let Reggie choose first between pink and blue
He is an inflatable doll they use for pubic appearances!
Penalties for not buying medical insurance are already planned to be taken out of tax refunds.
Funny how most people like getting annual tax refunds as a forced savings method.
Penalties are scheduled to increase with time.
Is there payroll taxes for Obamacare hidden somewhere in the legislation?
Yes, taxpayer bailout of money losing medical insurance companies and Medicaid.
Sooner or later everyone will be paying more, somehow, some way, directly or indirectly.
It seems the Republicans don't have the votes to end Obamacare, but maybe enough votes to prevent it becoming more totalitarian than what already exists.
Eventualities in a taxed based penalty program will require sustaining of a failed or near failed ideal. Adjusting tax deductions through request will identify the dodgers. Either way, if the system for taxation isn't changed, the ideals of the kleptocrats for the good of the many will produce a poorer and much less cooperative and respectful group, which will grow by leaps and bounds as demands upon them are forced by rule of the few over rule of the many. The shit will hit the fan when the law is not repealed and the many just stay home and elect to not pay anything. When there is Zero cooperation, which may never occur, then there may be some "understanding" put upon our so called leaders. One thing we must understand is that we are a force. A force to simply do nothing in "toto". Too few people know that they are just whores.
I am going to start selling parking ticket insurance. Its a sure money maker
I am going to start selling parking ticket insurance. Its a sure money maker
Heard the song "Youth Gone Wild" by Skid Row this morning. Felt like foreshadowing. If you don't know the words, google it.
Die, ACA, die. Just ... die.
Sebelius is simply lying through her teeth at every turn. The panel is not even bearing down hard on her. The media is trying to soften the stool as this utmost piece of shit forces its way through the minds of a burned-out public.
They are all pitching in and it still absolutely sucks in every aspect.
When oh when will Hollywood come riding to the rescue of The One?
I love watching this thing implode. They can't cover the stench any longer. Even the bovine lassitude of the average American mind is starting to turn on this one.
Perhaps it will not be long before even the Media turns on The One?
Fuck off and back to hell with you, ACA.
"Ah, good morning, Reggie!"
"Slurp!"
"Another great day to squat, spread my ass cheeks and shit it all out over America! Man, I'm glad I'm not an American!"
Like I said before, it will never be fixed. Millions of lines of code cannot just be repaired and tested on the fly. With the disaster we have, going live before it was ready it will take years, if not decades before something that really works.
Now, I'm sure what you see online will "appear" to work and rather quickly in IT terms. But the data stream of transactions, interfaces, and databases behind the scenes will be garbage. There will probably be 500 to 1000 different "versions" of data captured and stored. Maybe now, you can see the beginning of the "problem"....how the hell do you fix that? Make them re-enroll? Oh that will fly...sure.
It will take them a year to figure out the code needs to be scraped. They will then buy the turn key and tested solution Oracle already offered them.
If they had gone the Oracle route for 50 million bucks they couldnt have spread out so much money to subcontractors who were "disadvantaged" business owners. Have you seen the specs of a govt contract? 30 percent minimum must go to disadvantaged businesses.
Exactly. I was once hired to clean up the mess some of the "disadvantaged" left behind. Months to analyze and determine they had no idea what to do. I ended up trashing it and rewriting everything. Much faster in hindsight, just to hurl it away and start over. It was a mistake to even attempt to salvage something.
That Bill Nelson dude sounds like one sick bastard. Whats your next suggestion Bill, holding contractors families hostage ?
www.trilateral.org/download/doc/crisis_of_democracy.pdf
"Crisis of Democracy" - Noam Chomsky
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYFxtNgOeiI (3:26)
Young people have their fingers on the BUY button. But it's for Twitter stock.
I'm having second thoughts about cancelling my US health insurance policy - grandfathered policies are rapidly turning into rare collector's items and the financial upside would be huge should I decide to take a 91-day safari in the US this summer, far greater than the theoretical upside plowing my evermore worthless USD into the Twitter IPO.
Your second thoughts will assuredly be moot and quite beside the point, as your "health" (i.e., medical care) insurance policy, if at all beneficial to you as previously issued, will undoubtedly be cancelled for you in the very near future, no action on your part being required.
Then I save about $2 for a stamp by sitting on my ass and doing nothing, since the Uncle Sam is trying to make it harder (and eventually impossible) for me to get my own money out of the US.
Watch the cigarette tax increase by 1,000,000 fold.
I remember the draft dodgers did extremely well. Statists can't rally the kind of support and brains that their whips draw out.
Usual pussy whinin spew from this little group of "mental giants" who are so intellectual but, more than likey, common slugs with about the same amout of money most people have, very little.
ACA is a con, put on by all of your heroes, car dealers, insurance thieves, for profit schools and all the rest of the lyin, thievin shit that real hard working Americans still ignore, even after the treasonous shit your boys tried to pull.
This will drive eventually to single payer and will turn your shit-bird insurance industry to the paper pushin slugs they shoud be, just like all of you rush limbough dick suckin intellects, like HIS STUPID FUCKING ASS!
Yea, he's a traitor and is genuine stupid fuck and belongs on the Fat and Gay and Unloved Jerry Springer Show along with you stupid fucks!
How fucking sad this place is.
Hey, you, stop monolizing the insanitational retardation means!
We reserve that role here for AnAnonymous.
It is funny to see a guy who bought the hopey and the changey get upset that it wasnt the kind of hopey and changey he was looking for.
And what is their fetish with limbaugh? They are the only ones who ever mention him here.
Hey now. I worked hard to move up to common slug.
Usual pussy whinin spew from this little group of "mental giants" who are so intellectual but, more than likey, common slugs with about the same amout of money most people have, very little.
ACA is a con, put on by all of your heroes, car dealers, insurance thieves, for profit schools and all the rest of the lyin, thievin shit that real hard working Americans still ignore, even after the treasonous shit your boys tried to pull.
This will drive eventually to single payer and will turn your shit-bird insurance industry to the paper pushin slugs they shoud be, just like all of you rush limbough dick suckin intellects, like HIS STUPID FUCKING ASS!
Yea, he's a traitor and is genuine stupid fuck and belongs on the Fat and Gay and Unloved Jerry Springer Show along with you stupid fucks!
How fucking sad this place is.
Bravo!
You can say that again!
After the Senate hearings, the heat continued in California with EDD glitches on system not getting check out to the disabled and more. Employees were pissed and stood up and talked about the cover up...and on supervisor thought her employee needed more training on the system when she tried to tell her and even put it in email.
Sadly the digital illiterates out don't have enough respect for the technologists and geeks out there, or whatever you want to call us:) Just the folks that make this happen.
http://ducknetweb.blogspot.com/2013/10/deloitte-software-consulting-also...
CMS CIO quit today, got a better job offer. I try to put myself somewhat in their shoes and I'd get the hell out of Dodge too.
http://ducknetweb.blogspot.com/2013/11/cms-cio-leaves-to-take-job-in-pri...
On the fixing of the CMS site, they have to have a least half a dozen developer sand boxes going, and I read the 175 pages, what a mess. Again I go back to the selection of the technologies and why in the heck are they sitting there writing integration code when a system that has already done that, Oracle, could be in place and working. This is not a commercial for Oracle but rather using your best options with a tight time frame.This has to be a great spot for Larry Ellison to be sitting in as there are some Oracle components in this and he pledged to help and I'm sure they are working to get those elements to work with all the other systems in place but can't go any farther as the contractor rules of course but read at the link below on the turnkey state exchange platform they built...sure some coding and apps to be added but mostly for the large part, a lot already done.
http://ducknetweb.blogspot.com/2013/10/india-technology-to-fix-us.html
Wouldn't surprise me on the sly for a CMS sandbox being used to re-engineer the whole thing as nobody would have to know as they would just switch it over when done:) It's done all the time. Now if you want to see a bit of the technology used in the hub, look at this Cray appliance, this is basically the big same element in the federal hub. And, it's not a ping of federal sites, its "in memory" technology that can suck up 512 tb of data and run queries using a MarkLogic no SQL XML based data base.
http://ducknetweb.blogspot.com/2013/11/cray-computers-making-big-comebac...
Guns don't kill people, Obamacare kills people.......
Reggie: "It's bed-time, baby. Do you want me to read to you again?"
Bath House: "My favorite, Reg."
Reggie: "Mein Kampf, p.234...quit playing with that, baby."
It will all end up with less people insured than before Obama care. As they said the only people that will sign up will be the sick or the old.
Wait til the free shit army finds out this things imploding before they can get their free shit. They're going to whine and bitch and spit their pacifiers out.
Sebelius resign? Ha. These parasites never resign. They are like the ticks on my dog.
Them youngins voted and made their voices heard!!!
Now they must be punished.
"If you like your Servitude, you can keep your Servitude."
They were all for Obamacare until the bill came due.
The Libertarians were the deciders in the VA election. A movement to throw ALL ENCUMBENTS out is what is required, otherwise its Same ol' Eame ol'
I'm real curious to see if the libtards are going to admit that they have once again been screwed by their own stupidity or if they are going to pretend they enjoy being raped like they usually do.
I read ZH everyday, don't post many comments, but normally respect the comments and would appreciate a response from anyone. Have any of you ever heard of Samaritan Ministries? From what I understand, it is a workaround to the Obamare mandate. I've been trying to find more about the program, but understand that it is specifically excepted from the penalties etc.
Although I feel I have a strong relationship with the Creator (and there is only one), I have concerns about "rules" as I'm sure some of you have.
It is something I will be looking into further.
Would really like to have your comments.
Duke
The trainwreck is so bad they actually have a website for complaints called mycancellation.com
Lemme guess 1-800-UFUCKED
It's the end of the world as we know it
and I feel fine.
So I'm not getting Obamacare.
The stooges in the guvment didn't realize one small detail. The citizens are broke and can't afford it! Maybe next time guvment stooges. Some don't live in this land of unicorns and rainbows known as DC ?
Virgil, they realize everything.
I have two able bodied sons that have 39 hour minimum wage jobs. One of them has a 4 year degree.They don't make enough money to pay for shit. Obama's possie have been smoking hopium if they think that the unemployed youth in this country are going to pony up a car payment for health care. What a bunch of fucking idiots.
But Barry said you could purchase a plan for less than $100 FRN a month. LOL
4,631 proud democrats
I am thinking that they should do the unthinkable ... REQUIRE all government employees to enroll in Obummer-care and eliminate all federal health care plans. That would show their commitment... not this "it's good enough for you, but not good enough for us mentality".
I'm a Canadian and have always been a great admirer and fan of the US. Freedom, honor, honesty, integrity have been the traits that have made me such a supporter.
But now your country is doing things that just make me recoil in fear and horror. How many types and variations of police intelligence TSA types have you got. I would be afraid to simply cross a street at a light or say hello to someone on the street for fear of breaking some bizarre law. Individuals making choices taking risk have been the hallmark of your success. It seems now that type of activety is frowned upon to the point of illegality. America has always had a simple straight forward philosphy. Live honestly work dillegently and build for the future. Now it's seems the government will send you each morning a list of activities you must perform each day. What you have for breakfast, what time you leave for work what you can eat for lunch, maybe in the evening they the government will allow you to go see a movie.
America now makes me very sad. I hope you folks find your way back to what your country was based on. You helped folks in need on a individual basis looked after each other worked hard and created so many wonderful things. To cross the border in the old days was like a breath of fresh air such feeling of freedom and happiness. To visit was such a joy and now you folks just scare the crap out of me.
Individuals with a moral base in Christianity but the tolerance to let folks pursue the faith that they believed in was wonderful. Freedom and liberty were a reality. It seems that has been lost. I hope you find your way back.
Yours sincerely
Your Friend.
Jeff,
Thanks for your kind words regarding America. I feel the same about Canada, nice place great people. So take my advice and duck. Its going to get sporty down here. The elites have engineered a situation where too many people are riding in the wagon instead of pulling, when the mules get tired or the wagon is not being pulled eagerly enough one side or the other will insist...
Canadians are great, the French ones....not so much. I have some neighbors who are Canadians. They are great. They know flag protocol better than most Americans. They fly American and Canadian flags and make sure they are lighted at night.
The scary part is poor Canadians are now on the border with a very unstable and screwed up country. Sort of like a F'ed Up Mexico on steroids. Obama makes Pierre Trudeau (sp?) look like Churchill or a saint.
The good folks here in the USA are really pissed off at what is going on in the USA. We are also embarassed what America is turning into.
All the best to our neighbors, cousins and friends up north. Sorry we are often lousy neighbors. :-(
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101012270
So what happens next? anyone? This was Obama's crown jewel and his legacy.. bwahhaha. I would like to get off this train though..the Conductor is a madman.
He stole 700 million dollars right out in the open. I think that was the whole show. Look, he's getting away...
I bet kids are just saying NO because they have no money to say anything else.
Kids are just saying NO because they are still on their parent's health insurance plan until they turn 26. Are 26-year-olds considered kids?
It's the thought that counts with these pudding brained comic-cons. They'll get re-elected faster than these morons in the free shit army can clear a 6 foot bong. Sadly they're going to be in diapers soon.
Whitewater #1
They came. They clicked. They cleared out.
In the new Amerika, no one says no. Especially in NYC where the new com munist ruler will be taking over
This cultural fetish for "safety" at whatever the cost in labor or liberty must stop. I will not comply.
Fuck up as she may, she'll still get her ticket to the pension-party validated.....in government there is no justice, just stolen money....
Living Colour - Cult Of Personality
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xxgRUyzgs0 (4:53)
They did realize thier error befor hand?/ Possible but don't understimate their arrogance and stupidity either.
"Younger, healthier customers who feel less need for insurance—but whose widespread participation is important to the financial success of the system—could be quicker to give up."
Not just give up because the site is dodgy, not buy insurance at all and just pay the fine:
Obamacare's biggest problem is that young people aren't signing up
Website glitches are a sideshow. Young people aren't signing up because the plans are expensive.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/oct/29/obamacare-website-glitches-not-only-problem
"What will soon be apparent once the glitches with the web sites are fixed is that Obamacare will not get remotely close to the 32 million needed to make the program work (or even the 7 million the government predicts will sign up by March 2014). And that will have nothing to do with the website, but what people see on the site once they get there.
As Robert Frank pointed out in the business section of the New York Times, for Obamacare to succeed, millions of young, healthy uninsured people need to buy into the program and purchase insurance. All of them. One look at the proposed premiums for the bottom tier plans designed to attract those millions and anyone not blinded by wishful thinking could have seen that Obamacare was going to fail.
The cost alone of these "low end" policies are producing sticker shock when people see them. It gets worse when people see what the insurance companies are actually offering for these premiums. That's when they get the second shock."
At that age, buy it only after you need it.
There are no pre-existing conditions limitations.
And then the Guardian writer advocates the "Public option" Government Healthcare for everyone.
Single payer single provider Government versus health care corporations.
Choose your poison.
I'm over 50 and I say "Fuck That Shit".
Rot in Hell Kleptoligarchy.
I wonder how these monthly numbers releases are going to affect the markets...at least they should bring a laugh or two...
Last time I said "just say no" was in support of Nancys drug program. Shit did'nt work too good back then. But now?
Just merge ACA with the Postal Service! you can get a checkup at the counter while getting stamps. Cause that's what it's going to be. Who's next in line?
Mother should I trust the government?
this generation of kids has had leftist indoctrination shoved in their face 24/7 so this is quite predictable. it is the nature of human children to rebel against the establishment. Today's establishment is run by the hippies that hated the establishment when they were young.
Not everyone was a hippie. Not everyone hated the establishment. Not everyone changes character with age.
Ever seen a T-REX play hooky? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FekVR_SC5M
Predators tend to target the young and inexperienced as well as the old and sickly members of the herd.
And it seems that Obamacare does the same...
Even my wife, who is middle of the road politically, chastised me today for calling this albatross the ACA. She insists it needs to be called Obamacare. Remind everyone who is responsible every time it comes up.
It is not about care, there is nothing affordable in the law and the entire mess is the result of idiocy and evil intentions.
Repeal it, that is the only answer.
sschu
Whitewater #2 Hilary Clinton's early healthcare stock manipulation
This trainwreck is going to be much worse than I imagined. I am pretty sure the socialists know it now.
How were they possibly so dumb to think 7 milliOn would sign up? Three million very sick and 4 milliOn medicaid expansion, maybe.
This thing wont make it two years.
I don't think they care. They want nationalized healthcare. 14 Dem Senators went to the White House today, they are up for election in 2014. They wanted the web site fixed. Bill Nelson, not up for election, wants the web site fixed. They think if the web site is fixed then the problem is solved or it is a show and they don't care.
I think the Red team will control the Senate and increase their majority in the House because of ZeroCare.
The young want no part of this stinking trash
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But when they thought it would only affect everyone else, they were pleased to support it, and even trash-talk analysts who predicted this mess.
Young and single didn't buy insurance anyway. Only if they got it hrough their employes did they have it.
Whitewater #3 Hilary Clinton's crony Bond Issues, The criminal face of World Socialism
DO NOT ENROLL IN OBAMACARE!!
RESIST WITH MASS CIVIL DISOBEDIANCE! Don't voluntarily don the chains of slavery for government run healthcare.
Our illegitimate government is run by puppets, like the "LIAR-IN-CHIEF" Obama, for the sole purpose of further enriching the uber rich FIRE (Financial, Insurance, Real-Estate) Oligarchy pulling their strings from the shadows. We have the RIGHT and the DUTY under the principles established in the Declaration of Independence to restore THE CONSTITUTION and THE RULE OF LAW to our once great country.
Don't wait until all of the CONSTITUTIONAL PATRIOTS have been rounded up and incarcerated without trial in the FEMA workcamps being built all over the country. The longer we delay the harder it will be to return to CONSTITUTIONAL government.
The traitorous politicians who sold out our country to the highest bidder are the ones who should be under arrest. The apparatchiks who betrayed their oaths to THE CONSTITUTION and to defend our nation against all enemies, foreign or domestic, should be under arrest. That applies especially to the Generals and Admirals who betrayed THE CONSTITUTION in building the apparatus of the police state beginning with the NSA and the other alphabet soup agencies who classify as terrorists those who believe in Constitutional government.
DO NOT ENROLL IN OBAMACARE!!
RESIST WITH MASS CIVIL DISOBEDIANCE
Go to work to make sure it fails. Don't complacently assume that it will fail. Don't ever underestimate the dogged determination, perseverance, and sheer ability to tell the most outrageous, bald faced lies Marxist's exhibit to carry out their war against human nature and human desire for autonomy and freedom. Sociopathic/psychopathic Marxist's like "LIAR-IN-CHIEF" Obama must be actively opposed and defeated. They don't care how many lives they destroy to get what they want.
DONT ENROLL IN OBAMACARE!!
RESIST!! ENGAGE IN MASS CIVIL DISOBEDIANCE!!
DESTROY OBAMACARE!! TEAR DOWN THE UNCONSTITUTIONAL WARFARE/WELFARE STATE AND CRONY CAPITALISM!!
RETURN TO THE CONSTITUTION!!
RETURN TO A NATION OF LAWS!!
Obama care is a shitty deal. Everyone signing up is signing up for medicare. Medicare will be worthless, because no Doctor will accept it. The best is yet to come.
Whitewater #4 Hilary Clinton's Sex Death List. The Death of Vince Foster
Shit Binko, beautifully said {blinking back tears}.