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Guest Post: Is America Being Deliberately Pushed Toward Civil War?

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Submitted by Brandon Smith of Alt-Market blog,

In 2009, Jim Rickards, a lawyer, investment banker and adviser on capital markets to the Director of National Intelligence and the Office of the Secretary of Defense, participated in a secret war game sponsored by the Pentagon at the Applied Physics Laboratory (APL). The game’s objective was to simulate and explore the potential outcomes and effects of a global financial war. At the end of the war game, the Pentagon concluded that the U.S. dollar was at extreme risk of devaluation and collapse in the near term, triggered either by a default of the U.S. Treasury and the dumping of bonds by foreign investors or by hyperinflation by the private Federal Reserve.

These revelations, later exposed by Rickards, were interesting not because they were “new” or “shocking.” Rather, they were interesting because many of us in the field of alternative economics had ALREADY predicted the same outcome for the American financial system years before the APL decided to entertain the notion. At least, that is what the public record indicates.

The idea that our government has indeed run economic collapse scenarios, found the United States in mortal danger, and done absolutely nothing to fix the problem is bad enough. I have my doubts, however, that the Pentagon or partnered private think tanks like the RAND Corporation did not run scenarios on dollar collapse long before 2009. In fact, I believe there is much evidence to suggest that the military industrial complex has not only been aware of the fiscal weaknesses of the U.S. system for decades, but they have also been actively engaged in exploiting those weaknesses in order to manipulate the American public with fears of cultural catastrophe.

History teaches us that most economic crisis events are followed or preceded immediately by international or domestic conflict. War is the looming shadow behind nearly all fiscal disasters. I suspect that numerous corporate think tanks and the Department Of Defense are perfectly aware of this relationship and have war gamed such events as well. Internal strife and civil war are often natural side effects of economic despair within any population.

Has a second civil war been “gamed” by our government? And are Americans being swindled into fighting and killing each other while the banksters who created the mess observe at their leisure, waiting until the dust settles to return to the scene and collect their prize? Here are some examples of how both sides of the false left/right paradigm are being goaded into turning on each other.

Conservatives: Taunting The Resting Lion

Conservatives, especially Constitutional conservatives, are the warrior class of American society. The average conservative is far more likely to own a firearm, have extensive tactical training with that firearm, have military experience and have less psychological fear of conflict; and he is more apt to take independent physical action in the face of an immediate threat. Constitutional conservatives are also more likely to fight based on principal and heritage, rather than personal gain, and less likely to get wrapped up in the madness of mob activity.

What’s the greatest weakness of conservatives? It’s their tendency to entertain leadership by men who claim exceptional warrior status, even if those men are not necessarily honorable.

Constitutional conservatives are the most substantial existing threat to the establishment hierarchy because, unlike dissenting groups of the past, we know exactly who the guiding hand is behind economic and social calamity. In response, the overall conservative culture has come under relentless attack by the establishment using the Administration of Barack Obama as a middleman. The goal, I believe, is to misdirect conservative rage toward the Democratic left and away from the elites. The actions of the White House have become so absurd and so openly hostile as of late that I can only surmise that this is a deliberate strategy to lure conservatives into ill-conceived retaliation against a puppet government, rather than the men behind the curtain.

Department of Defense propaganda briefings with military personnel have been exposed. These briefings train current serving soldiers to view Tea Party conservatives and even Christian organizations as “dangerous extremists.” Reports from sources within Fort Hood and Fort Shelby confirm this trend.

The DOD has denied some of the allegations or claimed that it has “corrected” the problem; however, Judicial Watch has obtained official training documents through a Freedom of Information Act request that affirm that extremist profiling is an integral part of these military briefings. The documents also cite none other than the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) as a primary resource for the training classes. The SPLC is nothing more than an outsourced propaganda wing for the DHS that attacks Constitutional organizations and associates them with terrorist and racist groups on a regular basis. (Check pages 32-33.)

This indoctrination program has accelerated since January 2013, after Professor Arie Perliger, a member of a West Point think tank called Combating Terrorism Center (and according to the sparse biographical information available, a man with NO previous U.S. military experience), published and circulated a report called “Challengers From The Sidelines: Understanding America’s Violent Far Right” at West Point. The report classified “far right extremists” as “domestic enemies” who commonly “espouse strong convictions regarding the federal government , believing it to be corrupt and tyrannical, with a natural tendency to intrude on individuals’ civil and constitutional right."  The profile goes on to list supporting belief in "civil activism, individual freedoms, and self government” as the dastardly traits of evil extremists.

Soldiers have been told that associating with “far right extremist groups” could be used as grounds for court-martial. A general purge of associated symbolism has ensued, including new orders handed down to Navy SEALs that demand that operators remove the “Don’t Tread On Me” Navy Jack patch from their uniforms.

The indoctrination of the military also follows on the heels of a massive media campaign to demonize Constitutional conservatives who fought against Obamacare in the latest debt ceiling debate as “domestic enemies” and “terrorists.” I documented this in my recent article “Are Constitutional Conservatives Really the Boogeyman?”

Obama and his ilk have been caught red-handed in numerous conspiracies, including Fast and Furious, which shipped American arms through the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives into the hands of Mexican drug cartels. And how about the exposure of the IRS using its bureaucracy as a weapon to harass Tea Party organizations and activists? And what about Benghazi, Libya, the terrorist attack that Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton allowed to happen, if they didn’t directly order it to happen? And let’s not forget about the Edward Snowden revelations, which finally made Americans understand that mass surveillance of our population is a constant reality.

To add icing to the cake, a new book called Double Down, which chronicles the Obama campaign of 2012, quotes personal aides to the President who relate that Obama, a Nobel Peace Prize winner, when discussing his use of drone strikes, bragged that he was “really good at killing people.”

Now, my question is, why would the Obama Administration make so many “mistakes,” attack conservatives with such a lack of subtlety, and attempt to openly propagandize rank-and-file soldiers, many of whom identify with conservative values? Is it all just insane hubris, or is he serving his handlers by trying to purposely create a volatile response?

Liberals: Taking Away The Cookie Jar

Many on the so-called “left” are socially oriented and find solace in the functions of the group, rather than individualism. They seek safety in administration, centralization and government welfare. Wealth is frowned upon, while “redistribution” of wealth is cheered. They see government as necessary to the daily survival of the nation, and they work to expand Federal influence into all facets of life. Some liberals do this out of a desire to elevate the poverty-stricken and ensure certain educational standards. However, they tend to ignore the homogenizing effect this strategy has on society, making everyone equally destitute and equally stupid. Their faith in government subsidies also makes them vulnerable to funding cuts and reductions in entitlements. The left normally fights only when their standard of living and comfort to which they have grown accustomed plummets below a certain threshold, and mob methods are usually their fallback form of retaliation.

Austerity cuts, which the mainstream media calls the “sequester,” are beginning to take effect. But, they are being applied in areas that are clearly meant to create the most public anger. Reductions in welfare programs are also being implemented in a way that will certainly agitate average left-leaning citizens. The debt debate itself revolved around those who want the government to spend within its means versus those who want the government to spend even more on welfare programs no matter the consequence. The loss of subsidies is at bottom the greatest fear of the left.

A sudden and inexplicable shutdown of electronic benefit transfer cards (EBT cards or food stamps) occurred in more than 17 States while the debt debate just happened to be climaxing. This month, cuts to existing food stamp funds have taken effect, and food pantries across the country are scrambling against a sharp spike in demand.

Remember, about 50 million Americans are currently dependent on EBT welfare in order to feed themselves and their families. The response to the relatively short EBT shutdown last month was outright fury. Imagine the response in the event of a long-term shutdown, or if extraneous cuts were to occur? And where would that anger be directed? Since the entire debt debacle has been blamed on the Tea Party, I suspect conservatives will be the main target of welfare mobs.

The left, once just as opposed to government stimulus and banker bailouts as the right, is now unwittingly throwing its support behind infinite stimulus in order to cement the continued existence of precious Federal handouts. The issue of Obamacare has utterly blinded liberals to fiscal responsibility. Universal healthcare, perhaps the ultimate Federal handout, is a prize too titillating for them to ignore. Democrats will now go to incredible lengths to defend the Obama White House regardless of past crimes.

They are willing to ignore his offenses against the 4th Amendment and personal privacy. They are willing to look past his offenses against the 1st Amendment, including the Constitutional right to trial by jury for all Americans, and Obama’s secret war against the free speech of whistle-blowers. They are willing to shrug off his endless warmongering in the Mideast, his attempts to foment new war in Syria and Iran, and his support for predator drone strikes in sovereign nations causing severe civilian collateral damage. They are willing to forget Snowden, mass surveillance and executive assassination lists — all for Obamacare.

And the saddest thing of all? It is likely that Obamacare was never meant to be successful in the first place.

Does anyone really believe that the White House, with billions of dollars at its disposal, could not get a website off the ground if it really wanted to? Does anyone really believe that Obama would launch the crowning jewel of his Presidency without making certain that it was fully operational, unless this was part of a greater scheme?  And how about his promise that pre-existing health care plans would not be destroyed by Obamacare mandates?  Over 900,000 people in the state of California alone are about to lose their health care insurance due to the Affordable Healthcare Act.  Why would Obama go back on such a vital pledge unless he WANTED to piss off constituents?

Already, liberal websites and forums across the blogosphere are abuzz with talk of sabotage of the Obamacare website by “the radical right” and the diabolical Koch Brothers (liberals had no idea who they were a year ago, but now, they the go to scapegoat for everything). Once again, conservatives are presented as the culprits behind all the left’s troubles.

As I have stated in the past, Obamacare is designed to fail. The government has no capacity to fund it, and never will. Its only conceivable purpose is to further divide the country and excite both sides of the false paradigm into attacking each other as the reason the system is failing, when both sides should be questioning whether the current system should exist at all.

As the situation stands today, at least 50 million welfare recipients and who knows how many others exist as a resource pool for the establishment to be used to wreak havoc on the rest of us. All they have to do is take away the cookie jar.

Who Would Win?

Who would prevail in a second American civil war? Tactically speaking, conservatives have the upper hand and are far better prepared. Food rioters wouldn’t last beyond three to six weeks as starvation takes its toll, and mindless mobs would not last long against seasoned riflemen. The military, though suffering purges by the White House, still contains numerous conservatives within its ranks. Outside influences, including NATO or the United Nations, are a possibility. There are numerous factors to consider. But I would point out that the most dangerous adversary Constitutional conservatives face is not the left, Obama, or a Federal government gone rogue. Rather, our greatest adversary is ourselves.

If lured into a left/right civil war, would most conservatives be able to see beyond the veil and recognize that the fight is not about Obama, or the Left, or tyrannical government alone? Could we be co-opted by devious influences disguised as friends and compatriots? Will we end up following neocon salesmen and military elites who materialize out of the woodwork at the last minute to "lead us to victory" while actually leading us towards globalization with a slightly different face?

If a civil conflict has been war gamed by the establishment, you can bet they have contingency plans regardless of which side attains the upper hand. In the end, if we do not make the fight about the bankers and globalists, the Federal Reserve, the International Monetary Fund, the Council On Foreign Relations, etc., then everyone loses. Who wins in a new American civil war? If we become blinded by the trespasses of a certain White House jester, only the globalists will win.

 

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Fri, 11/08/2013 - 11:00 | 4135192 Nick Jihad
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I am more and more coming to believe that government fulfills a religious impulse in socialists/progressives. If you take the view that government is a religion, then we do have something like a state religion, and it's prayer is "I pledge alliegance to the flag...".

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 21:52 | 4133483 bunzbunzbunz
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Author is long Penguin Press and WMT.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 21:52 | 4133485 nmewn
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I'm sure Al and Moe (and a few others) would take exception to the painting of conservatives as the "warrior class" but lets run with it.

What does an independent warrior take up his sword and fight for...or against?

Maybe its just me but I've never run into a warrior who thought he fought for a king or empire.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:00 | 4133498 LetThemEatRand
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"Conservatives, especially Constitutional conservatives, are the warrior class of American society. The average conservative is far more likely to own a firearm, have extensive tactical training with that firearm, have military experience and have less psychological fear of conflict; and he is more apt to take independent physical action in the face of an immediate threat. Constitutional conservatives are also more likely to fight based on principal and heritage, rather than personal gain, and less likely to get wrapped up in the madness of mob activity."

I think you missed the point.   Perhaps I'm putting words into his mouth, but I think he's suggesting that Constitutionalists would fight for the concept of freedom from a police state.  Where he fails is in failing to distinguish social conservates obsessed with gay marriage and flag waving from Constitutionalists.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:12 | 4133550 nmewn
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I'm not seeing "social conservatives" obsessed with gay marriage and flag waving shooting up state capitals that have allowed the STATE to sanction gay marriage.

The state, forcing the church, to sanction any marriage would be a completely different thing...on a host of levels.

Would you not agree Rand? ;-)

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:30 | 4133622 LetThemEatRand
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I'm pretty sure that's why I just said that he erred in not distinguishing social conservatives from Constitutionalists.  Social conservatives are by and large statists in that they believe in a strong central government to enforce their social rules.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 23:48 | 4133909 nmewn
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I'm not sure what you inferred by what you said...but I can tell you as a matter of fact that no Constitutionalist has ever mixed up the difference between church & state...or attempts to.

That would be on your side ;-)

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 21:58 | 4133501 bunzbunzbunz
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...for the right to party?

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:23 | 4133603 Icewater Enema
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nmewn, Not really disagreeingwith you but I would say groups are much stronger than individuals. Only if the group  represents something that the individual  identifies with and values. The individual Spartan was strong but not that much stronger than other warriors. But as a group they were MUCH stronger than other groups (yeah. I know, I wasn't around then but so I have read). All I am saying is that those who think they can tune out and hide in a hole alone while the world disintegrates display a certain fear more than strength.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:43 | 4133668 wisehiney
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Will be more fun to spend the time hunting bad guys. This endless waiting.......

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 07:42 | 4134454 nmewn
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No problem, I was doing a few things in between posting so maybe I botched what I was trying to say.

What I meant was, every warrior will make their own decision and if (or when) many make the same decision they will act as one. At the end of the day, most warriors fight for family, community and what they percieve as justice, not the king.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 21:58 | 4133504 Seer
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Seems that people are able to take on this task of dividing themselves all by themselves, no need for it to be coordinated.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:02 | 4133521 drendebe10
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It's Bush's fault. 

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:10 | 4133549 bunzbunzbunz
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Senior, right?

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 01:38 | 4134150 g'kar
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It's both Bush's fault. It may soon be all three Bush's fault if we screw up again. All these royal families need to be axed from any position of power. Unfortunately, I have no faith in elections, the electorate or the electoral process anymore. Voting machines, party controlled Secretary of States and the FSA (including Bankers, the FED and Wall Street) leave me just a tad bit jaded.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:10 | 4133523 Dr. Engali
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My belief is that TPTB allow us to have relief outlets in the matrix. The conservatives have Rush , the liberals have Maddow, and we have the Hedge. If any one of these outlets posed as a real threat to the matrix it would be taken out in a heartbeat. These controlled outlets allow us to be in an echo chamber and yell fuck yeah amongst ourselves. The purpose of course is to carve us into groups and prevent honest discourse amongst all the people. If we all talked to each other we might all come to the realization as to who is fucking and dividing everybody.

Having said that I wholeheartedly believe that they are trying to start a civil war. It is much easier for them if we finish each other off and then they come in and mop up the rest. It's much easier than trying to confiscate 200 million guns.

This is also why I say talk of revolution is just claptrap. TPTB are too good at divide and conquer. The iSheeple will never identify and band together against the real enemy.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:49 | 4133689 notquantumdum
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I know what you mean when you say divide and conquer.  I feel like they have already successfully divided me from myself!

I am very conservative about some issues [fiscal] and just as liberal about others [individual rights].

I refuse to be defeated just because they have already divided my interests in half!

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:06 | 4133529 william114085
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"Constitutional conservatives are also more likely to fight based on principal"

 

what "principal" would that be?  SHOCKING!......I'm a high school drop-out, what's your excuse?

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:13 | 4133561 Tasty Sandwich
Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:07 | 4133533 WTFUD
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Yep, i think it's too painful for the elite to watch the demise of the ussa! Best blame the coming mess on civil unrest, thus in their minds saving face on the global stage.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 23:48 | 4133908 el Gallinazo
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Yep, i think it's too painful for the elite to watch the demise of the ussa! 

 

Give me a break.  They say crocodiles shed tears while they are munching on your ass.  Why do you think they sent our industry to China?  This was planned over a half century ago, probably a lot more.  Kissinger, the Rockefeller Bros. fixer, was/is the primary handler.  They needed Nixon, "a staunch anti-communist," to open up China, i.e. give them so-called favored nation duty status, and the rest is a sad history.  Then they threw Tricky Dick under the bus.  Loyalty is not their long suit.  You think these fucking bankers give a shit about the USSA.  They must destroy ALL nations to achieve their goals.  And they regard the destruction of the USSA as the toughest and most important nut to crack for a variety of reasons.

By the way, heads up with Gridex 2 Nov. 13-14.  Covers not only the USSA but Canada and Mexico as well, i.e. the North American Union in NWO newspeak.  Supposed to be a huge drill about the electric grid going down from either a cyber attack or a "natural" EMP.  Their explanations are very nebulous.  We all know the history of their drills.  They always seem to morph rapidly into false flag psy-ops with innocent people getting killed.  9/11, 7/7, Sandy Hook, Boston Marathon, etc.  Buy block ice in advance to keep your beer cold.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:08 | 4133537 NeedtoSecede
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Live and let live, Bitchez.  I will leave them alone if they will leave me the fuck alone.  No need for violence, I think "they" are ready to be rid of "us" (dead or alive) just as much as I want to distance myself from them.  Ya'll know where I stand.  Lets just split this mother into 2-5 managable chunks and go our separate ways (I know easier said than done...).

Secession Bitchez.  A couple years ago I was hammered with the red arrows when I said that, but not so much anymore...

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:36 | 4133643 Dr. Engali
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It's my belief that Balkanization of this country is inevitable. The divisions run too deep to manage the country as a whole.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:40 | 4133664 drdolittle
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1000 different manageable chunks

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 00:00 | 4133937 Buckaroo Banzai
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There is a big problem with secession.

It is the Makers one one side, and the Takers on the other.

The Takers control the Federal Government; or, the Feds control the Takers, whichever way you want it.

There is NO WAY the Takers will allow the Makers to leave.

The parasite only detaches from the host when the parasite is sated, or the host is dead.

Since the Takers among us can never be sated, it leaves only one option.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 11:13 | 4135256 Nick Jihad
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I think this gets to the core of the issue. The parasite survival strategy is as old as life itself. I don't ever expect to win a final victory over my dog's fleas, and similarly, there will never be an end to the struggle against socialism.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:09 | 4133542 Heroic Couplet
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Isn't this similar to the nonsense about how many carriers are parked offshore of Arabia? Republicans can't say tax cuts create US jobs. They've shot themselves in the foot. Best Ted Cruz caption: "Just wait three weeks and I'll shoot myself in the other one." LOL

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:11 | 4133551 22winmag
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Lowest common denominator... far more guns in the hands of far more good guys. The bad guys don't stand a chance and they know it.

 

The clock is ticking.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:12 | 4133554 Reaper
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The takers lack drive to overcome adversity, other than by begging or looting. The elite is exposed in unprotected estates, rather than impregnable fortresses. The wise will reject compassion and openness for survival. The wise owe the takers nothing, nor do they owe the takers' former enablers anything. A Central Planners civil war will be another failure of central planning for the unexpected. The present elite lack the drive and experiences of their ancestors. Robespierre and the King and the noble were replaced by Napoleon.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:12 | 4133556 eatthebanksters
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What the fuck...doesn't the author know that pols hive shit away to get elected? Too fix our problems they not only must stop giving free shit away but they need to start taking some back. It's never going to happen. They'll kick the can as long as they can and the run like a motherfucker.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:14 | 4133568 Silver_K-9
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When the Civil War pops off, Please just remember not ALL black people are bad... Not ALL black people voted for Barry. thx.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 01:01 | 4133889 notquantumdum
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Don't worry too too much; some of the rest of us still know that according to the statistics of genetics, as far as I can tell, the people who live in central Africa, today, are more statistically similar to everyone else, genetically, than anyone else on the planet is, as far as we apparently know, so far.

There is no logical explanation for this [as far as I can tell], except to know that we are all descendant from the ancestors of those who live in central Africa, today.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 01:11 | 4134106 TheObsoleteMan
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Stop believing everything you read.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 00:34 | 4134029 W74
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Silver, how can we diffirentiate who's who?

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:15 | 4133571 alien-IQ
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I'm confident that this thread will demonstrate how effective the divide and conquer tactic this article warns about is working.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:16 | 4133572 Professorlocknload
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“Never attempt to win by force what can be won by deception.”   Niccolo Machiavelli

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:20 | 4133590 Jena
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We have to get out of California.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:37 | 4133647 jim249
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I left in 1990. It was bad back then but much worse now.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:46 | 4133683 Silver_K-9
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Seriously! I hope I ge tmy family and I out before TSHTF... #562

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:58 | 4133731 g'kar
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I left in 1977 and never looked back. Must've been a prescient young lad.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 11:26 | 4135299 Nick Jihad
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I am still living in CA, in South-central LA in fact. (It's a much nicer neighborhood than you probably imagine). I'm thinking Utah would be better, but for now i'm making good money and between a paid-off mortgage and Prop 13, my expenses are low.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 11:26 | 4135300 Nick Jihad
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I am still living in CA, in South-central LA in fact. (It's a much nicer neighborhood than you probably imagine). I'm thinking Utah would be better, but for now i'm making good money and between a paid-off mortgage and Prop 13, my expenses are low.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 23:25 | 4133596 29.5 hours
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"Constitutional conservatives are the most substantial existing threat to the establishment hierarchy because, unlike dissenting groups of the past, we know exactly who the guiding hand is behind economic and social calamity."

Not sure I would consider myself a "constitutional conservative" but I think Stockman's words are profoundly true.

With the absence of alternative political parties, no labor party, moribund trade unions, no independent socialists or communists to speak of, marginalized Tea Party co-opted by a cynical bunch of elected politicians, Occupy organizations smashed or carrying out weird and ineffectual social experiments -- yes, Stockman pretty much named the only people who are keeping their eyes on the ball at the moment.

They understand how capitalism works and that understanding impels them to write and speak. We do not *yet* have real action in the political arena -- that's the ball to watch.

Edit: incorrect ref. to Stockman i/o original poster.

 

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 00:17 | 4133600 RaceToTheBottom
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This was great.  One of the funniest stories I have read in a long time.  Sat down with a large glass of a delightful Oregon Pinot and read this.

 

Thanks

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 01:34 | 4134144 IndyPat
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Étude is the shit...I eschew wine for the most part, but that stuff is tits.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:39 | 4133625 earleflorida
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can america have an 'arab spring'? i don't think so... but, nice try?

as bad as it is, we're still light`years away from a perceived revolution over snap/ foodstamps and ext. ump checks/ welfare handouts. 

i would change my opinion if people were randomly imprisoned throughout the country, but the msm (yellow press/journalism) hasn't come even close with the advent of the internet too brainwashing the sheeple into a stupefied stupor! 

close doesn't count? everybody knows the game and the con, especially the one taking the dope. people will always survive when they know in their hearts they were pushing-the-system (? `i mean, if someone offers you a hundred bucks and says take it... wtf, why not go with it?) and react, mostly by getting back on their own two-feet... contrary to most non-real-world 'sociologist', textbook rationale of counter-classical human behavior !?!

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:33 | 4133631 EARLPEARL
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this has got to be the dumbest article i have ever seen posted here and the comments are not much better.......GROW UP

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:54 | 4133714 RaceToTheBottom
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Trust me, it gets better after the second , no third, glass.....

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:59 | 4133739 g'kar
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That explains it.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:39 | 4133638 g'kar
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I'm just not seeing "conservatives" running wild in the streets waving bibles. shooting guns and causing any sort of mayhem. However, the .GOV's are running around shooting up the world and building a domestic police state.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 06:07 | 4134391 Urban Redneck
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If you put the cart before the horse it's rather difficult to get from point to point B, if you put the horse before the cart, it's frighteningly easy.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:38 | 4133652 chistletoe
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this is true.... the "crusades" were really hoardes of homeless men, women and children

who were told that there was a new McDonald's in Istanbul and the first one thousand customers gets a free milkshake ....

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 01:40 | 4134154 IndyPat
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Funny. Crusades we inspired by the same people that are blowing this same raft of shit....and it ain't the Christians doing it. That was the sideshow and the cover.
Banking,
Same as it ever was.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:40 | 4133662 wisehiney
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It would take very little disruption to halt the supply chain. After that, it will all go in a blaze of glory. 90% of the fight is over in 90 days max. I have my eye on several large, beautiful farms to claim when it is all over. Then the hard rebuilding work begins. Without so many assholes around.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:51 | 4133698 drdolittle
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Next year man, next year. If you're gonna pull the plug on food supply you want to do it in mid october. Too late for fall gardening for most of the us. Then it's early spring cold frames til more food. Go now, more peeps got food stored for t giving, enough to help some survive. Don't want to pull the plug in dec or jan cause cold frames, kale seeds and peeps are back in food by march, then it's spring. If you're gonna kill the masses it's gotta be october or perhaps mid sept

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 23:06 | 4133767 stant
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any of the bridges on three rail lines east of the miss river goodbye west coast

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 06:29 | 4134403 Urban Redneck
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How many Stihl TS700's or similar gas powered circular saws are within easy walking/driving distance of such bridges?

You can cut the rail lines anywhere, but if you actually know where to cut, the derailing train takes out out the bridge itself, turning the rebuilding effort from a project measured in days/weeks to one measured in months/years.

There isn't the manpower to babysit everything critical and the masses at the same time, which is why it's so idiotic of DHS to aggravate masses in the first place.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:42 | 4133666 bigrooster
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Team BLUE you are fucked give up now!

For those who junk me for the team red/blue meme, pick a fucking side!  Sure I am on Ron/Rand Paul's side and hope this can end well and freedom will reign.  Until then prepare bitchez!

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:51 | 4133701 g'kar
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Agreed, but I'm becoming color blind and having a more difficult time making out the true colors.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 23:17 | 4133804 el Gallinazo
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Even though I am a conservative anti NWO, I junked you because you are an idiot.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 01:14 | 4134113 e_goldstein
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Red or Blue, they are all idiots.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 04:49 | 4134346 Incubus
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pick a side?

I abstain.  You animals can go fight and kill for your "ideals."

 

Bunch of fatass pigs playing "nation building."

I think I'm going to heave at the sight of pre-geriatrics living out their childhood fantasies of righteous war.

 

You guys are hardly different from the talitubbies in the muslim nations.  Fundies gone nuts.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 23:03 | 4133751 q99x2
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Pushed toward civil war. Don't you need two sides? The ongoing war is between the people of the world and the criminals on Wall Street and in Washington D. C.  Basically everyone is fighting the old criminal banking families. I think the United States of America as a nation is about to see the opportunity in upping the efforts fighting that war but it is not a civil war that is under way.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 23:30 | 4133851 Atomizer
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No civil war is needed.  We understand the complex monetary rules. Why bother killing them, when we can use them for new world slave labor.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 23:44 | 4133888 andrewp111
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What happens when The Great Bernanke Bubble implodes?  The Faux Recovery will be revealed to be a fraud.  What happens if the TBTF banks fail from collateral calls they can't meet, and the whole interbank payments system suddenly freezes up? It won't just be EBT cards not working. No credit card will work and checks will not clear.  Panic and Pandemonium will result.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 23:52 | 4133919 TyrannoSoros Wrecks
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At street level, its going to be the Free Shit Army vs. the productive class.
Obongo has about at a 40% approval rating.

Niggers are about 13% of the population. They support obongo nearly 100%.
Latrinos are about 15% of the population (probably more) - they support obongo 80%.

So of his 40% approval rating, 25 points come from blacks and Latrinos. The other 15 points are the Occupy filth, homosexuals and dipshit college liberals, etc. Typical liberal fairy-men will not pick up a gun to fight but will gladly torture and massacre any helpless person or republican in a wheelchair they believe is a counter-revolutionary. Inside every progressive liberal is a sadistic fascist screaming to be let out.
In other words, the fighting will mostly be broken down along racial lines.
There has been a Racial Cold War in America since the 70s. It has now escalated into what the military calls a LOW-INTENSITY CONFLICT where guerilla attacks (or gorilla attacks LOL) by packs of Obama's Sons are attacking lone or small groups of Whites on the streets on a daily basis.
There has also been a disturbing trend of "negro youth" RAPING elderly White women in home invasions. The feminists (female communists) have always told us "rape is a weapon of war" but are predictabley silent when their black footsoldiers are doing all the raping on our own soil.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 00:09 | 4133969 Buckaroo Banzai
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It is a disturbing fact of history that when countries break down, they frequently do so along cultural and ethnic lines.

That said, in the USA I think it will be a little different. I think most of the racial conflict will be confined to the cities.

The real disconnect in the US is between the big liberal cities and the rest of the country.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 00:45 | 4134055 TyrannoSoros Wrecks
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Yeah, but the rural areas are now full of illegal beener farm workers, particularly CA, OR, and WA. They have no loyalty to the US and hate the fuck out of our White asses.
Small towns in eastern WA (which is all semi-arid farmland for hundreds of miles in any direction) have become barrios full of Mexsickos.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 05:15 | 4134352 Incubus
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dude. I think you and your ilk are mistaking this site for stormfront. 

 

reported.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 19:16 | 4137105 TyrannoSoros Wrecks
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Who died and made you Al Sharpton?

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 23:51 | 4133922 Notarocketscientist
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This is total shit.  

Conservatives are mostly like other Americans - stupid donkeys who are easily maniuplated by owners of the country and the PR machine.

The guns and ammo crowd would quickly be convinced by the media (owned by the corporations) that those within society who are fighting the good fight are in fact terrorists or traitors - that they are not patriots.

And the guns and ammo crowd would joyfully go after these traitors and gun them down in cold blood.

Of course the Conservatives are mostly big talking do nothing armchair warrior COWARDS. 

They sit behind their computers and moan and wail like gossipy wimmin at the laudry shop 'oh inflation is so high - oh isn't the government so corrupt - oh but why aren't the bankers in jail - oh why do the bankers get all the money and we eat dog food'

And they do NOTHING.  They are like beaten dogs - no fight in them at all - the day of action is always tomorrow (as in never) - another kick to the face 'I'll git that bugger next time' ...... another belt to the head 'oh ya that hurt - don't do that agin or I'll git you - I'm hard core - don't mess with - I am BAD - real BAD'

 

The end game will be with Conservatives and everyone else ending up living like the poor the world over - you will take it and be happy that you are allowed to live - that you have a few scraps for your meals - and you will do nothing about it because you don't have what it takes any more than some Filippino living in the barrio has what it takes to overthrow their government - there's always an excuse (what about my kids? my wife? who will take care of them?) - or maybe things will get better if I just vote in the right guy - or maybe you're just plain scared to do anything.

 

You think the think tanks have not modelled this?  You can bet your last dollar they have - and very obviously the elites know it is highly unlikely you will do anything - so long as they step you down bit by bit - inch by inch - into a slow descent into 3rd world poverty. 

They ain't dumb - and they will beat you.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 23:57 | 4133933 TyrannoSoros Wrecks
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"Of course the Conservatives are mostly big talking do nothing armchair warrior COWARDS.
They sit behind their computers and moan and wail like gossipy wimmin...
And they do NOTHING."

I'm not disputing your claim, but I would like know what heroic actions you have taken to fight the evil bankster/corporations/whatevers other than sitting behind your own computer jacking off to gay porn and posting tough-guy comments.
Well, Hero? What's your claim to fame. (Note: Internet tough-guy posts don't count).

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 00:19 | 4133989 wisehiney
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Maybe not like beaten dogs, maybe wise enough to recognize the enemy is defeating themselves. Study a little military strategy and tactics and you will see that there comes a better time.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 07:38 | 4134415 Urban Redneck
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You certainly aren't a rocket scientist.

There a MILLIONS of us.
We have already faced enemies armed with heavy ordinance that DHS could only dream of
and killed adversaries all over the world
so that your pussy ass has the luxury of sitting at your computer consuming cheap energy and spouting off,
pardon us, if we wish to partake of that luxury ourselves for a while,
since we made it possible in the first place.

At the appropriate time we will get off our resting asses and do what needs to be done,
as we always have.
What we realize and you don't is that we are expendable pawns in a much larger game,
the State you worship does not care about you,
and the State certainly isn't going to expend any effort to save, serve or protect you if the shit hits the fan.

We really have NO desire to place ourselves back in those circumstances unless there is NO other alternative.

But you can rest assured that the think tanks know this damn well and have modeled it,
because it scares the shit out them.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 23:52 | 4133924 DaveA
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Correction: This would be America's THIRD civil war. The rebels won the first in 1783 and the loyalists won the second in 1865.

This time the rebel side has:

* Every non-criminal who owns a gun.
* The overtaxed citizens who produce real goods for a living.
* All conservative Christians.

while the loyalists have:

* The coastal liberals who won't let their children touch toy guns.
* The obese welfare mamas and their gangster baby daddies.
* The speculators who profit from reckless money-printing.

The military is a wildcard -- they can't be happy about Benghazi or all the diversity that's being crammed down their throats. Thanks to Obama's incurious, hands-off, lead-from-behind management style, it would be easy to feed him misinformation and pretend to obey his orders while secretly aiding the rebels.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 00:06 | 4133939 TyrannoSoros Wrecks
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Obongo is coup-proofing the military by removing all the top brass who he thinks won't go along with his shit. They will most likely be replaced by affirmative action black loyalists, feminist lesbians, etc.
Why do you think the police chiefs in all these urban Blue Zones are all affirmative action blacks or White lesbians whose police departments are now armed to the gills with armored personnel carriers, FLIR night-vision, and heavy weapons, yet seem uninterested in preventing common street crime?

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 00:12 | 4133975 Buckaroo Banzai
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Yes. And a lot of special forces guys are being assassinated. Chris Kyle, Seal Team Six, etc.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 01:47 | 4134170 IndyPat
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Don't sell the junior officers short.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 07:11 | 4134419 Urban Redneck
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Understatement of the century.

(It's also the proof the "revolutionaries" have no actual experience with either revolutions or the US military.)

But in fairness- it hinders and forestalls military coups when you replace the general staff with sycophant cocksuckers.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 02:06 | 4134200 DaveA
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Then all the rebels have to do is disguise themselves as common street criminals. Seriously, how long do you think those blacks, lesbians, and gays are going to last in actual combat? As for their straight white male comrades, remember Napoleon's words to the restored Bourbon king, "Don't send me any more troops, I have enough!"

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 00:24 | 4134000 22winmag
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Like I said, far more guns in the hands of far more good guys. I'm not skerd.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 04:44 | 4134341 Incubus
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Jokes on you if you think I'd ever fight for you mall-strip loving football watching beer-gutted losers.

 

I'd get out of the country and let you deficients fight over your pile of shit.  Not worth dying for. 

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 00:04 | 4133953 traderjoe100
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We need a civil war in America (they say) in order to ELIMINATE THE UNDERCLASS.  The plan is to push the unemployed underclass over the edge, or under the bus.  The "useless eaters" will become slaves or dead.  Instead of trying to help the poor to become productive, these people think that extermination is the best course of action.  A lot of the middle class will probably also be pushed into poverty, into dire straits, and then eliminated too.  This is the best plan they can come up with for fixing our situation in the long term.  Stalin did it just a few decades ago - 20 million people!  Are we so different today that we could not have a repeat of this horrific outcome?  No, we are exactly the same as we were just decades ago.

 

 

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 03:42 | 4134301 New World Chaos
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They will try to eliminate the middle class first.  This will include the "evil rich" doctors and small business owners.  Despite the puppetmasters' best efforts at sowing rot, the middle class still has occaisonal latent tendencies towards self-sufficiency, honesty, and intelligence.  Therefore, they cannot be trusted.  They would also help with the rebirth of America after the revolution.  And they have shit worth stealing.  They must be destroyed! 

We are currently in the financial/legislative phase of the war.  The middle class is losing.  TPTB will try to finish them off with hoarding-narcs, "whitey has cut off your free shit", and gangsta cops.  Unpaid cops will be the worst gangs around, but they will target those with the best plunder/resistance ratio- namely, white middle-class suburbanites.  Ironic, because white, middle-class suburbanites reliably vote for greater police powers in hopes of being protected from the dregs of the Free Shit Army.  Rural whites without large farms will escape most of this.

The Free Shit Army will be eliminated when they are no longer useful. 

 

 

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 00:23 | 4133998 Future Jim
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It sounds like the author is advocating Zero Squads, but we elites are on to him.

While it may seem like we already have enough control to implement our good ideas, we must also monitor every communication, every financial transaction, and every politically inclined meeting in order to detect and prevent the destabilizing effect of a potential black swan development know as Zero Squads. Zero Squads are terrorist cells of 3 serfs each, known only to each other. Each cell will have chosen one of the smartest and most superior elites, and because of their inferior breeding, they will not hesitate to die if necessary to take out their target. If you see something, say something – and thereby prove your usefulness.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 01:19 | 4134122 e_goldstein
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Million Dollar Bonus, is that you?

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 00:28 | 4134012 Son of Captain Nemo
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It's the Left/Right Paradigm poke it with a fork it's done moment!

http://12160.info/profiles/blogs/the-left-right-paradigm-is

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 00:50 | 4134068 besnook
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there will be no civil war even if i am in favor of another sherman march to rid the south of itself.

next spring and possibly earlier our special friends will manifest another false flag with blame directed at our new found friends in iran. no one is fooled this time and a new bay of israel is formed on the med with lebanon regaining its long forgotten club med status with huge resorts on its pristine manmade southern beaches.

more plausible but just as ridiculous as the civil war  scenario.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 01:02 | 4134088 Flammonde
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Some years ago there was a movement to cereate a fundamentalist Christian military based on Dominion theology.   I am almost certain that the propaganda about Muslim Brotherhood rising to key positions in the Obama administration is playing off this indoctrination.  However, my thinking is that to create a North American Union you have to crash the 50 states.  The best way to this accomplishment would be a low intensity civil war, and this in turn is best accomplished through class war.  The militarization of domestic police is part of this low intenisty war process.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 01:12 | 4134109 TyrannoSoros Wrecks
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Here's the problem with a second civil war that no one is realizing:
When America destablizes everything will be up for grabs. It will be the greatest prize in history.

The drug cartels will push north and take over entire towns just like they do in Mexsicko. Anybody within 500 miles say of the southern border will be fighting off drug cartels. They will quickly establish human trafficking networks to move drugs and weapons into the country and move out kidnapped American women and girls by the tens of thousands, if not millions, to be sold around the world as sex slaves.

Any foreign power that can paddle a canoe will try and get as many boots on the ground here to claim their share. Obongo will, at the least, ignore it and at the worst, invite them. But the US military will stop them right? Not if they have been lured into Syria or Iran first and get decimated by WMDs. They may come under the guise as peacekeepers to put down us Tea Party terrorists. The UN troops will be muslimes, niggers and Latrinos mostly. They will make the Rape of Nanking look like a softcore porn video.

Alaska will be taken over by Russia. Hawaii will go to either Russia or China, whoever gets there first.

The absolute hatred the world has for America and the hatred so many Americans have for each other will turn this into the bloodiest most sadistic atrocity in world history.

The whole world has already been divided amongst the Great Powers of the world. I think CONUS will become a colony of China. Canada and Northern Europe will go to the Russians. Southern Europe will go to the Jizzlamic Caliphate. Sub-saharan Africa is pretty much an economic colony of China now as it is. Latin America will become some narco-communist thug Aztlan super-state. Australia goes to China. India, which is already on the economic brink goes to the muslimes.

And people like us? We go to the death camps.

 

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 01:40 | 4134157 g'kar
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+103  for your screen name alone.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 01:47 | 4134171 besnook
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in the event of a usa collapse the usa will likely be plundered by americans before anyone else gets a shot just like post collapse russia was plundered by the local jewish mafia.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 02:02 | 4134194 KashNCarry
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Have to totally disagree... The nut jobs will let loose the nukes long before there are foreign boots in the US and after the bang will come the whimper...

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 02:25 | 4134224 g'kar
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Red Dawn (original) was a good movie though.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 07:14 | 4134425 Urban Redneck
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The foreign boots are ALREADY in the US.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 07:49 | 4134462 Ghordius
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Urban Redneck, please, don't feed false paranoias. I think I understand what you mean, yet your statement will be misunderstood. Just read what has been written about UN troops, in this article

we genuine foreigners have already enough trouble. and plenty of US troops on our continents

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 08:06 | 4134482 Urban Redneck
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Good Point.
For the sake of clarity- I'm not talking about guys in combat boots or blue helmets.

More like red hair (in the case of Anna Chapman, and the countless others that Putin didn't pull out)
Or white lab coats in the case of certain Chinese industrial espionage agents
Or the "sandal-wearing-persons" like Chris Stevens that the US sent into Libya instead of "boots"
Or Hassan Nasrallah's facebook friends & sleeper agents

They have ALWAYS been here and ALWAYS will, and they're USUALLY not who people think they are (even smart people whose job it is to know better - case in point Robert Hannsen's "friends").

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 08:32 | 4134525 Ghordius
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thanks. this got me thinking - despite the distraction of thinking about Anna Chapman - about Snowden

OT, have you read this? 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/06/sarah-harrison-edward-snowd...erlin 

or this? 

 http://www.salon.com/2013/11/04/americas_anti_greenwald_hypocrisy_is_the..._york_times_a_terrorist_too/ 

 or this? 

 http://www.theeuropean-magazine.com/juliane-mendelsohn/7577-britain-and-...


 

the last one has a paragraph that gives you the gist of them all:

"...If it emerges that our (continental) governments have been behaving just as badly as the GCHQ, it will only prove that they have violated our trust in them. It won’t alter our understanding, because the idea of a free society is something at the core of our being.

The UK has either lost or never had this sense. Instead, its leaders take pride in its partnership with the USA and its membership of the Five Eyes Pact. And, by most accounts, does so with the substantial support of its citizens. This begs the question: how European is Britain?

The values of a rogue state that doesn’t mind plastering its streets with CCTV cameras and genuinely sees no harm in storing every private communication between private individuals are basically incompatible with our own. What’s more, they pose a threat to upcoming EU policy decisions..."

twenty years ago, I would have never expected to read this kind of articles in this kind of publications

 

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 09:21 | 4134637 Urban Redneck
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Twenty years ago, in the UK, the Ring of Iron strategy looked like it might be paying dividends after twenty years of Troubles. Meanwhile, in New York, Rudy was just getting started with his schizophrenic voyeurism fetish and simultaneous hatred of peep shows, before buying the City's BS brand of jack booted Fascism hook, line and sinker after 9/11. Time and Pressure moves mountains.

In Europe, an amicable divorce is at least a theoretical possibility when both parties agree that irreconcilable differences exist. That last article is shocking, but it was written by a South African expat. More importantly, the continentals need to spend some time on Freud's couch and figure out whether they're actually more inclined to Mistress Merkel's dungeon or Max Mosley's free-for-alls. Given knee-jerk reaction of the election in Spain that lead to their housing bust, I think the truth is probably as twisted and convoluted as my metaphor and will take some serious psychoanalysis to get to the bottom of.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 09:33 | 4134680 therevolutionwas
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"The absolute hatred the world has for America..."  The amerikan gov't, yes.  The american people, no.  It's probably true that this country is in for some rough times (why else would Doug Casey types be setting up house in the mountains of another country) but it wouldn't be allowed to be a free for all; it's not in the interests of the corporate world.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 02:00 | 4134179 Trampy
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The problem with Obamacare is that the cost of non-compliance is way too low.  They need to find a way to FORCE all those young healthy working males who don't want or need it to buy it anyway.

Instead of this paltry $95-$395-$695 umm fine/penalty/tax, they could raise it by factor of ten.  Make the "tax" for being uninsured comparable to the cost of insurance.  That's more rational a basis than for most of the CFR.  Quickie ANPR in the FR with 30-day comment period and bingo, it's done.   Law of the land unless overturned by a court for 1) lack of rational basis, 2) void for vagueness, or 3) conflict with federal law ... as the top three usual suspects.

Am I the only one here who understands the difference between federal regulations and federal law?

The non-compliance "taxes" and how they're indexed for inflation were set in a rulemaking by HHS, and whatever they did, they sure as hell can change, no need for getting Congress involved.  Period.  The penalties came from the Obama White House by way of HHS Secretary, so the whole package is properly styled as Obamacare, but it's a lot easier to change the implementing regulations (CFR) than it is to change the US Code.

HHS can't impose criminal penalties for non-compliance but they sure as hell can make the "tax" a lot higher than the $695 they have planned for 2016.  I think they should raise it by a factor of ten.  That'd wake up quite a few of the sleep-walking zombies.

https://www.google.com/search?q=viva+la+revolucion&

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 02:05 | 4134201 TyrannoSoros Wrecks
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Don't fall for this trap that they won't come after you if you don't pay the penalty. Do you really think they hired 16,000 IRS workers to administer MonkeyCare and they forgot to put in a mechanism of enforcement? You'll pay the penalty plus fees and interest. I also read something last week that they passed a law ending statuatory limits on any debt owed to the federal gov.

And when it becomes Single-Payer MonkeyCare they will raise the penalty x10. It will be in the form of a massive healthcare tax deducted every 2 weeks directly from everybodys' paychecks,

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 09:05 | 4134597 therevolutionwas
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Trampy Machiavelli!

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 01:54 | 4134182 chindit13
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Does anyone really believe that the White House, with billions of dollars at its disposal, could not get a website off the ground if it really wanted to?

I believe it.  Malice aforethought is comforting in an odd sort of way, because humans, for the most part, need to believe someone or something is in control, be it a monarch, demagogue, President or god.  With someone in charge, even a bad someone, a deal is always possible.  Randomness is disquieting.  There's no deal to be had with randomness, just a hope for dumb luck.  Incompetence is almost as disquieting, but I believe incompetence, often coupled with callous indifference, lies at the heart of most eff-ups.

As for civil war, I'd bet against that.  I could see some states seceding, but funny thing about that is that a place like New York would be as happy to see Texas secede as Texas would be to see New York split off.  The two Koreas have a heck of a lot more in common than those two states.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 06:09 | 4134393 Disenchanted
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re: "but I believe incompetence, often coupled with callous indifference, lies at the heart of most eff-ups."

Funny how that 'incompetence' always benefits certain groups, and is always to the detriment of the real interests of the people.

 

How random is that?

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 09:39 | 4134730 therevolutionwas
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There's some crony capitalism in there.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 09:42 | 4134759 falak pema
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as random as a roulette table and the number 'zero'.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 02:09 | 4134207 SmittyinLA
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I've been saying we're headed for civil war for 10 years, but its not between Americans and Americans but between Americans and the global Socialists, the cold war never ended, we surrendered grasping defeat from the jaws of victory, all we had to do for the final blow was let FNM, FRE and the Socialist EU go bust, instead we chose to bail out the global Socialist bankers and invade the middle east for no benefit to the us taxpayers.

The state chose murder and cost shifts rather than allowing voluntary foreign & international criminals to go bust.

The DOD study predicting "conservative terrorism" opposing US immigration policy was commissioned under GW Bush, which shows how far the state is willing to go to press their political agenda of mass immigration (they're willing to continue "their mass immigration policy" even if Americans go to war with their own government).

We don't own or run our own country, Socialist bankers do, they set public policy, not voters.

The Amnesty debate is a sham, regardless of what Congress decides the invasion continues.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 02:21 | 4134220 Solarman
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Fascinating, but the conservatives already won.  They live where the food, energy, water, and minerals reside.  Plus all major transportation links go right through their land.  They will starve out the liberals.  I have friends from Romania and lived through their transition, and when ordered to shoot and kill ther own, 90% of the military either walked away or turned on their masters.  It will be no different here.

 

If I were a progressive elite wanna be, I'd leave the cities ASAP, the jealous poor only have to walk to their house and take ther stuff.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 02:24 | 4134223 Beorn
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The liberals as a group would be too afraid to fight a civil war outside of the cities, where their police force and lawyers would not be available to protect them.

The conservative in the country would probably not bother wasting their bullets on the liberals since this would only put them out of their starving misery.

The libertarians would maintain their Hobbit existence avoiding the Goblins in the City and the wild men of the hills.

With the middle class destroyed by the central planners, the hopium supply to the cities will be cut leading to massive withdrawal symptoms.  Since the central planners only know how to redistribute wealth and not create it, the rapid demise of the unproductive will end the second American Civil War.

 

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 03:01 | 4134258 nc551
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I don't think there could be true civil war.  If the military split there'd be a lot of big toys out there on the field.   There are probably nukes in every state.  Obama's been cleansing the military of patriots.  It seems more likely to me they'd have the military stand around to protect the major infrastructure and keep people from entering/leaving the major metros while everyone killed each other.  Once the cities are thinned and starving they would probably welcome the friendly faced government to come save them.  At that point, with the cities and infrastructure under control they could turn on the rural communites.  They'd go for the food centers and when they got them I unfortunately think they could outlast most the resistance.  Even hardcore rural people depend heavily on electricity and gas nowadays.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 09:04 | 4134595 Bloodstock
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Never doubt the ferociousness of an animal backed into a corner. Or a human being for that matter. Especially an American that is pissed as hell and isn't going to take it anymore. Fuck 'em, the truth will prevail!

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 03:20 | 4134279 jtg
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If we do end up in a civil war I hope one of the objectives is to eliminate the executive branch (the president is looking like a king and is making law in violation of the Constitution). Then devolve most federal power down to the States to be closer to the people. Cut both parts of the Welfare/Warfare State in half or more.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 04:33 | 4134329 Incubus
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you guys are such pawns.

 

-civil war in uhmerika

-martial law

-us military/fragments into factions

-total clusterfuck chaos

- UN "peacekeeping force" with hundreds of millions haphazdly trained men from china/russia/india/restoftheworld shut down any 'rebellion'

- Hello NWO

 

 

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 04:49 | 4134338 daemon
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Thanks for the article . At last someone who sees that the $85 billions/month the FED inject in the system are probably essentially to buy more time until good conditions are met, for something to happen .

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 06:32 | 4134390 Disenchanted
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In the already forgotten past a Constitutional conservative did not equal a warrior class(supporters of military adventurism/interventionism).

Shocking I know...

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 07:07 | 4134418 justsayin2u
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Obozo is certainly doing his best to have all military leadership in bed with the socialist dream state and the mentality that anyone who criticizes big government is a terorist to be dealt with harshly.  If you are a conservative in the military you have to hide it and you can forget being promoted.  Hes also doing his best to keep the means of self defense away from citizens - it is nearly impossible to buy bullets on the open market anymore since the DHS buys them all. His media propoganda machine has been working full time on the socialist dream for over 50 years now so the average citizen is completely brainwashed.  Not a lot of hope on the horizon for any kind of personal freedom here - just the iron boot of the smiling happy socialist on your neck.  Other than that things are OK :-)

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 07:13 | 4134423 LaurentDeLyon
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bravo ! good text

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 08:52 | 4134571 falak pema
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andouillette...de lyon, chouette.

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Fri, 11/08/2013 - 07:59 | 4134455 falak pema
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Ah, as the silent stealthy legions of Spartacus Anonymous and the tea drinker's club rumble on the tarmac jungle behind those dark pools of mayhem, the mounting screechy screams of where is Dominus Crassus and fellow MIC 'potentate in making' Caius Julius Caesar; invade the hallowed corridors of whitedomed Capitol ! 

By gad, will the red blood of the Senators flow in rivers to instill fear of rightful Jove and the retribution of slave 99%  brigade or will Licinius Crassus prevail once again in the footsteps of Cornelius Sulla, the dictator of Squid cabal of new Optimates in his civil war with the Populares of Obamacare gone viral?  

As to be sure our Potus is not only Populares chief of Obamacare but also Chief droner cum Squid Optimate (1%) bonus boner of WS.

Two headed king of Rome; Janus! 

Civil War in new Rome? What would Lincoln's ghost say ? "All that for nothing?" 

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 08:13 | 4134494 Ghordius
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lol, +1. yet methinks you can't compare that much. Sulla was a conservative constitutionalist, pitted against the Marians and the Populares. sure, he was an aristocrat (all faction leaders were that), yet he was for balance. a moderate, in his age

even his proscriptions - which still give him such a bad PR - were bans, not death warrants. and famously he withdrew the proscription on Julius Caesar, even though the latter hung his belt so low (the fashion statement of the young Marians)

what I mean is that Sulla tried. his new order did not last because both Optimates and Populares wanted moar

and so Rome had to wait for Augustus, who separated the Republic from the Empire

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 08:57 | 4134582 falak pema
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wise words, Ghordius, do you think anybody is listening in DC while they print and print?

Imagine if DC got imposed an Augustus and he declared the Senate "minus" where he was princeps?

Thats where we may be heading. If print n print fails. 

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 13:55 | 4135833 Atticus Finch
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Will Durant describes Rome as ultimately so corrupt that continuation of corruption was the expectation and that even if an emporer would attempt to end the corruption and return the Republic he could not do it and faced assassination, because the sweetness of corruption was so endemic and pervasive that Rome had reached a point where the Republic could never be restored.

Me thinks the US is in the same stage.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 07:56 | 4134472 GOSPLAN HERO
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As long as the Union
Was faithful to her trust,
Like friends and like brothers
Both kind were we and just;
But now, when Northern treachery
Attempts our rights to mar,
We hoist on high the Bonnie Blue Flag
That bears a single star.--CHORUS

First gallant South Carolina
Nobly made the stand,
Then came Alabama,
Who took her by the hand.
Next quickly Mississippi,
Georgia and Florida
All raised on high the Bonnie Blue Flag
That bears a single star.--CHORUS

Ye men of valor, gather round
The banner of the right;
Texas and fair Louisiana
Join us in the fight.
Davis, our loved president,
And Stephens statesman are;
Now rally round the Bonnie Blue Flag
That bears a single star.--CHORUS

And here's to old Virginia--
The Old Dominion State--
Who with the young Confederacy
At length has linked her fate;
Impelled by her example,
Now other states prepare
To hoist on high the Bonnie Blue Flag
That bears a single star.--CHORUS

Then cheer, boys, cheer;
Raise the joyous shout,
For Arkansas and North Carolina
Now have both gone out;
And let another rousing cheer
For Tennessee be given,
The single star of the Bonnie Blue Flag
Has grown to be eleven.--CHORUS

Then here's to our Confederacy,
Strong are we and brave;
Like patriots of old we'll fight
Our heritage to save.
And rather than submit to shame,
To die we would prefer;
So cheer for the Bonnie Blue Flag
That bears a single star.--CHORUS

THE BONNIE BLUE FLAG - McCarthy

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 09:01 | 4134577 rustymason
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American conservatives are just outdated liberals. Politically and culturally, they are almost useless. They have refused to engage the culture in any way except to be consumers of the sludge that Hollywood and the MSM continually pump out. In politics they are led around by the nose by the neocons, who are the brethren of the banksters and the MSM carnies. We have a hostile foreign elite in charge of the banks, the media, and all choke points in the government, yet the conservatives practically worship that tribe of liars, thieves, and murderers.  

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 09:09 | 4134605 HOBO POTHEAD
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Back about 1992 I wrote a book, "Cicil War Two: The Coming Breakup of America".

To the best of my knowledge it is still the only non-fiction book that concerns itself with this topic.

I wrote it after participating in the fighting in the civil war in the former Yugoslavia in 91 n1nd 92.

It can be bought in Ebook format at America First Books.

http://www.amfirstbooks.com/

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 09:35 | 4134703 d edwards
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Divide and conquer

Collapse the economy

All hell breaks loose, starting in the big cities

Impose martial law

Stealth Marxist (0bozo) revelution complete.

Any questions?

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 09:35 | 4134705 Incubus
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looks like that site was designed back in 1992, too.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 09:42 | 4134754 kenezen
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More than 3-4 general's replacement is in most countries called "Coup insurance"

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 09:54 | 4134834 roadhazard
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no, They think we'll just take it... like we are doing.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 10:19 | 4134982 LongPAU
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Occam's Razor.

Stupidity, naivete, and incompetence are the simplest answers that account for all of the observed effects. Never attribute to malice that which can be sufficiently accounted-for by human stupidity.

I'd wager that Obama's handlers don't like him. He's not as amus-uh-muh-catin as Bush was, and they decided to let him embarrass himself.

The PTB don't want their physical assets damaged, and I'm pretty sure they prefer games with a completely stacked deck (which they already have).

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 10:29 | 4135016 Weisshaupt
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I am sorry, but there is no difference between the "Democratic Left" and the "Elites" - The one works for the other. They are paid in benefits stolen at gun point, and like their corrupt  leadership (By which I mean both the GOP and the Democratic Party)  do not see thier fellow citizens as people.  When asked, they feel "live and let live" is a philosophy that unfairly imposes another's view on them-- the other's view being that they are a human being with rights and not property of the State. There is no leftist in this country that recognizes that others are entitled to pursue their own happiness  before whatever the lefty thinks of as the "common good" -"Gemeinnutz geht vor eigennutz"  justifies them in anything they do. 

 The elites have brainwashed 1/2 of the population into serving them, and have done so by deliberately making them narcissitc sociopaths incapable of taking on the  personal responiblity or rational critical thinking required of individuals in a free society.  They are emotion-based and ego driven creatures.  A Zombie Hoarde.   Sure, the eliites have planned this outcome, but the zombies can't be cured, and they will mindlessly fight for thier masters regardless.   They cannot  and will not co-exisit with FreeMen, because for them the term is meaningless - all men are slaves of the community.. to be sacrificed. persecuted and abused as needed and dictated by their leadership. A leadership of pigs in the farmhouse, of elites whose  idea of the public good invariably is for their own good, not that of the community, public or thier mindless followers.  Even the onset of Obamacare won't wake them up. .  That is the sort of leadership the zombies WANT. Its fine that everyone suffers as long as we suffer together.  The only think insufferable to them is an individual making his life better - Ivan must not have a Goat.  Yes the real threat is the elite, but the Zombies will have to all be killed as the threat they represent. Yes, it would be great if we could unite against those who would enslave us, but the zombies WANT to be enslaved. They want others to care for them, shelter them, clothe them, give them a job, absolve them of personal responiblity for their own lives. That is a slave.  The war at this point is inevitable because they will never accept freemen around them.

 

 

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 10:57 | 4135175 cypherk1
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I am curious what DHS and liberals would eat after their supplies run out. The problem with thier socialist utopia would be running out of other peoples food. You cannot kill every farmer and still eat.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 12:57 | 4135629 Paracelsus
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A small city or military base mutinies and the authorities decide to drone it.In retaliation the rebels kidnap a bunch of air force dependents,strip them and video them next to a running chain saw,screaming for mercy.The video is delivered with the threat "any more attacks and guess who gets what up the ass".

The whole military/DHS thing breaks down when a soldier is ordered to fire into a crowd of his brothers and sister (and Grannies who have lost their pensions).The soldier instinctively turns and fires on his NCO.The military knows this well: do not put your troops in a position where they might become "sticky".Once loyalty is gone,it is gone.

The one thing the elites fear is all the people who are fence-sitters,watching to see how things play out.

A) There are too many guns in this country

B) There are not enough guns in this country

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 13:47 | 4135801 Atticus Finch
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He forgot to mention the obvious playing of the Race card.

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