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Israel Working With Saudi Arabia On Iran "Contingency" Attack
When last week's Iran nuclear talks were blocked by France, it provided a useful glimpse into just who it was that would benefit politically from a continuation of the regional confrontation. But while the French sabotage was an amusing distraction, it revealed a curious shift in middle-east alliances, namely old "enemies" Israel and Saudi Arabia, both feeling shunned by Big Brother, suddenly becoming the best of buddies. It was only a matter of time before this novel alliance moved beyond just paper and tested how far it could go in real life. Said test may come far sooner than expected: according to the Sunday Times, Israel's Mossad and Saudi Arabia are planning an attack against Iran if negotiations and talks don't come to an agreement, and that Saudia Arabia will permit Israel to use their air space for an attack on Iran including full technical support.
According to the Sunday Times, the Saudis would assist an Israeli attack by cooperating with the use of drones, rescue helicopters, and tanker planes. "Once the Geneva agreement is signed, the military option will be back on the table. The Saudis are furious and are willing to give Israel all the help it needs,” said the paper citing an unnamed official.
The flipside is that by pursuing an outright attack of Iran, the new Israel-Saudi axis would implicitly go against the wishes of not only Russia but, if John Kerry's detente posture is to be believed, that of the US itself.
Israel's PM Natanyahu naturally knows this, so instead he is merely lobbying for even more political support starting in the one country, France, which has aligned itself with the new Middle East axis, even as Israel's old allies appear to have foresaken it. Jerusalem Post reports:
Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu said in an interview with French daily Le Figaro on Saturday that there is a “meeting of the minds” between Israel and the “leading states in the Arab world” on the Iran issue – “one of the few cases in memory, if not the first case in modern times."
“We all think that Iran should not be allowed to have the capacities to make nuclear weapons,” he said. “We all think that a tougher stance should be taken by the international community. We all believe that if Iran were to have nuclear weapons, this could lead to a nuclear arms race in the Middle East, making the Middle East a nuclear tinderbox.”
Saying that an Iran with nuclear arms would be the most dangerous development for the world since the mid-20th century, and stressing that the “stakes are amazing,” Netanyahu urged the world’s leaders to pay attention “when Israel and the Arabs see eye-to-eye.”
“We live here,” he said. “We know something about this region. We know a great deal about Iran and its plans. It’s worthwhile to pay attention to what we say.”
Netanyahu made the comments as French President Francois Hollande was set to arrive in Israel for talks on Iran on Sunday.
In the meantime, Iran which suddenly finds itself the creme of the international diplomatic circle and is in full compliance with what the US demands, is explaining - via RT - just why a joint attack on its by supposedly former enemies will not happen:
Iranian political analyst Seyed Mohammad Marandi told RT that an imminent joint attack on Iran was unlikely given the serious ramifications it could provoke for the region.
“It is highly unlikely that the Saudis and Israelis would want to attack Iran because at the end of the day both countries would be losers, they would be seen as aggressors and obviously the Iranians would retaliate,” Marandi told RT.
Although he consented that the Saudis and Israelis have been moving closer together lately, neither of them stood to gain from attacking Iran.
“It would create an economic catastrophe for the world and only the Saudis and the Israelis would be to blame,” said Marandi.
Then again, considering a GDP-boosting economic catastrophe (recall the main reason the US wanted war with Syria is to boost the defense spending budget which lately has been in freefall) is precisely what the Fed and the Congressional muppetmasters want, we wouldn't sleep too soundly if we were in the Ayatollah's shoes. Especially now that thanks to Reuters the entire world, and certainly the NSA, know just where all his rainy day funds are located. Because while it is true that neither Israel nor Saudi would gain from attacking Iran, the US most certainly would. And now it has not one but two proxy countries in the region doing its bidding.
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Like rape with an "incredibly small" dick gets certain immigrants off the hook in Sweden.
Muslim rape of Swedish women is out of control. Yes, I do read Swedish, it is my parents language. The reason Swedish immigrant Muslims give for the rape is because white European women want it, they beg for it by their clothes and their behavior. So they, being good Muslims must slip it to the Swedish girls because, and I quote "They are asking for it"!
A stereotype that comes back raging into fashion in post Breivik scandinavian fantasy knee jerk; like Muslim fascism has come into fashion as sign of muslim oligarchy hubris and decadence fed on west's oil bonanza addiction. Both, like mirror opposites, feel OBLIGATED to match each other in race to bottom for the debasement that this societal spiral, currently raging ALL OVER THE WORLD, imposes on the average person and the concomittant race to top that it generates for the Oligarchs.
Boeing boner and Airbus boner are signs of western cum surrogate Arab oligarchy hubris for spending "easy money" that can NEVER be spent to find water or food for those impoverished others...you know the stuff that humans live off, not the stuff that fiat bonanza legends are made of in Dubai. No ROI there; Those guys, the "sand niggers" of Bushist clash of civilization age, can't pay for shit unless they hijack a container carrier or a western journalist.
By making this "Godfather" type logic à la mode you debase that other face of truth that Cassavetes showed us about the Mafia when he made "Gloria".
Some men push the debate upwards to protect the reality and dignity of common man and don't give in to the Godfather commercially fed mantra of "Its only business" and "he lies with the fish" bull shit, to spice up the depiction of criminal America.
Compare Gloria to Godfather and you see the difference between truth and cheap legend, about an american dream gone sour.
And Gena Rowlands was just spell binding, but that's good acting. Can't imagine anybody knocking her without her consent. Impossible to rape Gena! I guess it could be true for western women even if they be more delusioned than was Gena.
Now to come back to the Muslims who "rape" white women, like those Black Panthers did in the 60s...bogey man and white man's burden wrapped in culpability that needs to have a mirror opposite to share its own deep seated downside by spreading it to others; as evil as the sheeple who suffer in silence their own debasement by Godfather "overlords"..That is pure KKK logic and racial fear IMO. There are enuff movies made to remind us of that mindset.
I love this "roman noir" logic, but only in Sam Spade and Kurt Wallander type novels. Not in reality.
Not saying that reality does not exist; just saying it has to be contextualised just like for balck minority america in the 60s.
Stop the rape of third world and we will have less "aliens" in first world, who could live decently in their own lands. Bringing black slaves to Amercia and treating them like monkeys over a century or more is not a recipe for integration.
China working with the people of the world on US globalists contingency attack
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Armageddon bitches ....
As long as the sheeple can waddle into Wally World and flash their EBT cards, everything will be right with the world.
Kiss my ass. Kissinger.
The absolute most evil fuck to ever walk this earth.
I try never to miss an opportunity to present one his most revealing quotes:
The report’s damning conclusions continued: Had the U.S. not encouraged the Kurds to go along with the Shah and renew hostilities with Iraq, “the Kurds might have reached an accommodation with [Iraq’s] central government, thus gaining at least a measure of autonomy while avoiding further bloodshed. Instead the Kurds fought on, sustaining thousands of casualties and 200,000 refugees.”
One of the officials who testified before the committee in secret session was Henry Kissinger. When questioned by an appalled congressman about the U.S.’s decision to abandon the Kurds to their bloody fate, Kissinger chided the committee, “One should not confuse undercover action with social work.”
The sad part is that the fucker is still alive at 90.
Do you know why he's still alive ? He does not eat or drink the poison they are feeding to the masses. GMO's , fluoride , vegetables covered in pesticides , meat contaminated with hormones and antibiotics. Dont forget the best Heath care money can buy. These guys know the situation very well.
+1000 You are exactly correct.
You just have to wonder at the possibilities of unintended consequences, if such a contingency is developed and implemented. Is it a possibility that in exchange for Russia sitting on the sidelines during such an operation, the Saudis allow or even actively withdraw support for the PetroDollar?
Oops. continuum fluctuations with this comment.
WAR, huh, what is it good for? Absolutely nothing....
Except lots of money for powerful individuals and corporations.
Not to mention the psychic thrill it brings to the self-righteous, castigating, out-for-vengeance interventionists.
Say it again y'all....
War's best friend is the undertaker....
Failed politicians and their failed economies need war every now and then.
If it wasn't for oil, nobody would give a damn. I say let them all turn each other into parking lots, and dim the lights at Walmart.
Does anyone here really give a flying fuck what that ugly israeli president thinks? I have never quite understood (aside from good marketing) why anyone in the US gives any time to israel and their big noses, and yet universally seems to hate the other worthless ragheads that pollute that region. Nuclear war in the ME would cause $30B of improvements. Have at it.
Because the Jews have an unfair balance of influence in the US. They control much of the media, entertainment and finance industries, used in conjunction with their lobbyist group, AIPAC, which has the Congress in it's back pocket. Why a country of 6,000,000 has such a great influence in the western world is simple, they manipulate the message and force feed it to you, at which they are masters.
Supreme Court? The Justice System in general???
You are correct Keyser. Rudimentary research would show this quite quickly. A huge component of this that many do not know is the fact that the dispensational teachings of John Darby's theology (an erroneous interpretation of escastology and the book of revelation) is giving this Jewish lobby incredible power. If Bible Belt believers could discover the truth behind the erroneous teachings of Darby, they would be free of supporting a people who hate Christains. The book of revelation is 90% + about the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD by the Romans. It is not about the a coming Armageddon in the Middle East. Although this may happen it has nothing to do with scripture. Partial Preterism is the better, historic view of the church with regards how to interpret the book of revelation and end times. The sooner we realize this, the sooner we can cut off our Zionist leeches from our backs.
“We all think that Iran should not be allowed to have the capacities to make nuclear weapons,”
So they do not have nuclear weapons, they do NOT intend to make them, but now they cannot even have the capacities to make one. That means Iran cannot even have an industrial infrastructure. This lunatic is demanding they stop economic, technological, and economic development because, gasp, one day they might use their industrial base to make a nuke. Considering Israel has 200+ warheads, this is hipocritical on a scale not known to man.
He unfortunate reality is that this level of hypocrisy is exclusive to man.
And wouldn't it be absolute poetry to see the both of them "pull the trigger" with no support from the bully that makes it all happen?
And this is why it won't happen.
What most Americans fail to realize is that in every major attack from the Lavon Affair, to the 1967 and 1973 wars and the war in Lebanon in the mid 70's the U.S. has ALWAYS had a military presence. While we've always been told that America was never involved or attacked (in the case of the U.S.S. Liberty incident), we've always had advisors and boots on the ground ready to assist. As a matter of fact the U.S. Navy in 1973 was prepared to take two decommissioned aircraft carriers and put them into service to the IDF because of the ass kicking there airforce received in the '73 war.
Is it any wonder why the U.S. Navy was involved so strategically in the Med during the Lebanon civil war during the the withdrawal from Vietnam? Israel was licking it's wounds from two years earlier and truth be told it was a very expensive and costly resurgence after what they lost in the 1973 War. Best part of all it was the American taxpayer that came to the rescue for the budget that would rebuild Israel's Army and Airforce capabilities.
With Russia in Syria our leaders will do otherwise with the mess we've created the last 12 years alone. If it doesn't I sure hope the Navy Army Airforce and Marines have lots of body bags at the ready for staging a conventional war they know they can't win.
And if they choose other than a conventional conflict? Hope we have the hot buttered popcorn at the ready to see Tel Aviv vaporized before the shit comes our way!
Not too many pleasant choices for the U.S. military moving forward.
It is simply time to stop sending Herr Netanyahu $8 million a day in US taxpayer money (and that's only what we know about). That's about $24 million a day in US taxpayer work product.
I'm tired of having to wipe Netanyahu's spit out of my eye every day.
Do it...... Attack Iran........ I hope they're ready and destroy everything that you send at them. Shit, I bet Iran could do this without Russia's help, but if China or Russia want to join in, go for it. A counter attack that would reduce Israel and Saudi to smoking holes would be just fine also. But, but, but... you have to be aware that a cornered Israhole will start shooting nukes, because if there is any country that would actually "pop the clutch" it would be them.
Fuck this shit.... Fuck these assholes wanting perpetual war.
Get rid of the dickheads in charge...... the rest of us can handle things just fine without them.
The bullshit propaganda, misinformation, disinformation and plain old spin are running deep, deep, deep.
There is not one word of this article that should be allowed to surprise you or raise your blood pressure one bit.
It's all bullshit and lie upon lie.
As are posted comments that seek to misdirect and spin.
Iran has a non- Rothschild central bank, and that's the problem.
Libya and Iraq both constituted a threat to the petrodollar.
Both were attacked.
Iran, Russia, and China form an anti-red shield alliance. I think this goes beyond mere banking hegemony. It represents a threat to the Power Elites. The Elites must have it all to form their one-world NWO. Their ego and pride are at stake. China is off the reservation, accumulating gold, as are the Russians. There are a couple of centuries of bad blood between Russia and the Red Shield alone.
These 3 countries want Independence. There is no way this will be settled peacefully. The Western Cartel has been plotting world domination for 300 years. We are now at the point of Global Connectivity. With each world war, these elites have moved ever closer to their evil NWO fantasy, and are now crushing the sovereignty of any nation in their way. The USG has been captured, but its people have not. Its citizens will be punished soon with the economic collapse engineered by the elites with their Cloward-Piven strategy. I cannot see any way this can be realised without full disarmament by force of all citizens' weapons and crushing their ability to feed and shelter themselves.
The Red Shield Alliance is not omnipowerfull, however, and people worldwide are waking up. The US is in for some wicked times, but the outcome is not guaranteed to favor the elites.
Everyone should prepare, the Big Storm is coming.
It would be nice if both Israel and Saudi Arabia would simply off each other. It would be a much better world without them.
Al Yamamah has the Saudies armed to the teeth... Is it me or wern't the 911 guys Saudies trained by US... Now the French? Didn't Nixion default by not paying DeGaul? http://www.zerohedge.com/news/today-40th-anniversary-nixon-ending-gold-s...
WTF...Have these millitary industral bad actors done?
And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
my _llah. Uri Mahnaimi discoverer of the Entho 'fart' bomb now writing how Israel and Saudi to bomb Iran.
what happened to that Pulitzer Prize story?
did he tell you Bernie Sanders and Ted Cruz were lovers? what a load of pork feces
Cue the next USS Liberty for false-flag duty. In 3, 2, 1...
Personally, I don't know if Iran really wants a bomb or not. While their Big Chief Poobah has said that nuclear weapons are sinful and Allah is not a fan of mushroom clouds, France, UK, and US offered to help Iran with the inputs for a heavy water reactor that would run on natural uranium - they passed, and opted for designs that require enriched uranium. I for one am given pause by the thought of the world's chief sponsor of terrorism in possession of large amounts of enriched uranium.
So if Israel and Saudi Arabia want to clobber Iran's nuclear infrastructure if an accord cannot be reached, more power to them. I don't think that there is a country in that region that likes the thought of Persian religious fanatics with their own shiny new Red Button.
More power to Israel is exactly what this world does not need.
"the world's chief sponsor of terrorism"
Would, of course, be Israel.
Actually I thought he was referring to the USA..... <sarc>
Judging by the over abundance of thumbs down, it appears ZH'ers arent' necessarily even marginally more 'educated' than the FreeShitArmy of the gov't plantation. To think that a single Moslem, particularly Arab Sunni nation has anything but hatred for the Persian Shiites is an open window onto the ignorant trolls of ZH.
That's what John "Skull & Bones" Kerry was doing last week...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/06/john-kerry-saudi-arabia_n_4228579.html
My prayer to the tooth fairy.
"Dear Tooth Fairy, I pray to you, please let a gift arrive to our Iranian friends from our Vlad friend via overnight post. The gift should be a surprise to http://ploughshares.org .
The gift should be a Tsar Bomba device with a sticker on it that reads: TO tel aviv with Love."
Amen.
Over.
who fucking cares
Me because there's nothing that shitty little country does that doesn't cost me money.
Warren pollock called this one over a year ago
The Saudis are furious and are willing to give Israel all the help it needs, said the paper citing an unnamed official.
The unnamed official turns out to be Niccolo Machiavelli...
"Men rise from one ambition to another: first, they seek to secure themselves against attack, and then they attack others."
His mentor, Sun Tzu, had this to say...
"Thus, to take a long and circuitous route, after enticing the enemy out of the way, and though starting after him, to contrive to reach the goal before him, shows knowledge of the artifice of deviation."
Anyone who believes this is unfolding outside of the ministrations of the MIC is woefully ignorant.
Does anyone seriously doubt that when A.Q. Kahn was handing out Paki nukes to places like North Korea that at least a few didn't slip into Iranian hands? Most likely the Iranians haven't been waving them around because they knew what kind of reaction that would provoke. I think the "peaceful" Iranian nuclear program has been a very deliberate distraction from the fact that Iran has nukes ready to go. And if the Israelis and Saudis go ahead with an attack on Iran's nuclear facilities they are going to be handed a major surprise.
I would sure hope this case. The only trick would be disabling the Iron Dome for a stretch, simply overwhelming its capabilities, or simply get all of its batteries to shoot their wad before the big ones start flying in.
Saudi's may have a few Pak nukes as well.
The Kingdom paid for the Sunni Bomb (Pakistani program). Due to Pakistan's real geopolitical rivalry with the Shiite Superstate, I doubt they'd give them any. The Kingdom pretty much expect to have 3-5 warheads within 12-hours of calling in for their delivery, and they'll get them.
On even a semi-careful reading this claims SA will cooperate with Israel attacking Iran, NOT that SA will commit even one angry camel of their own to the effort, nor one of their citizens, nor even one of the mercenaries who run their advanced arms. IF Israel were desperate and crazy enough to attack Iran, maybe that would be better than nothing, but neither would Israel ever really trust that SA wouldn't change their mind halfway through or choose that moment to attack Tel Aviv.
This is mostly just noise.
I mean, I'm sure the Pentagon has contingency plans in case of Martian atttack like I have contingency plans for winning a billion dollar lottery.
I now return this thread to the local anti-semite crowd.
The House of Saud is having a hard enough time holding itself together and staring in the face of rising discontent from virtually the entire population. Hell, their biggest worry aside from Iran shutting the gulf gates, is chaos in Yemen.
The Saudis won't attack Tel Aviv, but I'll cheer on anyone who does.
Saudi Arabia and Israel have been allies for a while, now it's just in the open. Saudi Arabia won't attack Israel, that's ridiculous.
The Israelis have been trying to get WWIII started for some time, they expect to make money off it.
"We all think that Iran should not be allowed to have the capacities to make nuclear weapons,” he said. “We all think that a tougher stance should be taken by the international community. We all believe that if Iran were to have nuclear weapons, this could lead to a nuclear arms race in the Middle East, making the Middle East a nuclear tinderbox."
Not all of us, but good try playing mind association games. Americans need to notice how in the Israeli controlled US media it isn't even discussed why Iran is the bad guy and it's never discussed why Israel is the good guy. It is simply taken for granted and assumed that Iran is bad and that Israel is good, and they do this to get the sheeple to go along with.
They never discuss why it would be "oh so terrible" for Iran to have nuclear energy, but simply assume that it's a bad thing. Hell, Pakistan (a much more chaotic state) has 60-70 and they're right next door. No one in the media says a word because Israel isn't concerned about them (yet).
Think locally. The Pakistan nuclear program was an arms race with their neighbor nuclear India. TPTB fear Iran starting the same with its neighbors. Pakistan dispite its various problems is ruled by self interests and focused on defending its Indian border.
Hopefully Russia and China nukes the hell out of Israel and Saudi Arabia... not a big loss for humanity if these two were gone forever. A country that thinks it's superior to everyone else (Israel) and a bunch of rich religious extremist fucks creating havoc all over the world.
No one who has paid the slightest attention to American domestic politics would or could believe that Israel is America's proxy.
The reverse is true, and obviously so.
Relatedly: Why Contemporary America is far worse off than pre-National Socialist Germany
The United States is cooked. The question is, when the collapse comes, and when the Next War gets going, who will control the rebuilding? The collapse can't be stopped - but perhaps the rebuilding can.
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If they start a war, there goes the Saudi oil infrastructure; oh well, they can start exporting kitty litter that glows in the dark, your cat will easily find the litterbox during the night...
Not to go Bible whacko with all of this, but this opens the door for Russia to attack Israel (directly or through proxies). That is a sign of the end times.
Interesting.
The Saudis specifically were the ones who carried out the chemical attack in Syria, preciselt for this reason, to get the cretin obummer involved in a war in Syria would have inevitably dragged the Iranians into that with the explicit intention of shifting the balance of oil power.
Barmy obummer knew that it wss the Saudis and so did camoron the clunk, and of course the slimy slippery wetback in the elysee.
That is why it was decided that no inspections or anyone getting too close and could dig up any clues was ruled out.
They thought obummer could get away with almost anything but as events have proved, the slimy black dude is an endemic congetial liar, and peoplke at long last were finally beginning to twig this goon was not all he was cracked up to be by the sycophantic drooling leftie halfwits.
ZH always laughing at the French but idea that the French hook up with the Arabs as a counter against US meddling in the ME is an old idea that dates back to De Gaulle. And a retaliating Iran after an Israeli-Saudi attack is perhaps exactly what SA wants.
And the French get to rearm Egypt
Tyler, on what PLANET is it a good idea for the U.S. to attack Iran? World oil prices would skyrocket, the economy would crash, and all the QE in the world wouldn't put Humpty Dumpty together again!
The banksters don't care if everyone else starves, in fact that it exactly what they want. At the same time they hope to gian control over strategic assets while the world is too busy starving to death.
tvdog Tyler, on what PLANET is it a good idea for the U.S. to attack Iran? World oil prices would skyrocket, the economy would crash, and all the QE in the world wouldn't put Humpty Dumpty together again!
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Obungler might like to use the situation as an excuse to declare martial law.
He's looking like a cornered animal these days.
Never know what a desperate person might do...
Perhaps Mali was a test run for a French invasion of the ME. Of course disabling talks is just a cover for plausible deniability.
Tell me again, who flew them into Mali on C-17s and MC-130s?
I hope Israel gets hit with as many bombs as they drop on Iran. That shitty little country and all the parasites in it need to be destroyed once and for all!
Let's pray Israel is not hit. If at any moment she is hit I doubt I woud be making another post even though I am on the other side of the world.
Here`s how the news will claim victory and turn history: "Peace in the Middle East. Long time enemies Saudi Arabia and Israel reach new understanding."
It was relatively obvious that they were just a variation in the good cop bad cop routine for the Middle East. If this comes to pass, it is a nail in the coffin proving this.
Isn't it wonderful to see religious enemies put their differences aside?
In fact I think I smell another joint Nobel Peace Prize in the air.
What next? Al Kaida and the CIA? Ooops,I forgot that has already happened.
I think any alliance is now possible now except perhaps between the people and government.
Attacking Iran wouldn't benefit Israel, but only the US???
Tyler, do you know anything about Zionism? Considering an SA Israel alliance surprises you I'm dubious. We are Israels bitch, and our "representatives" are merely zio whores.
Eventually this all leads to the price of oil going through the roof. This is because in any conflict the easy infrastructure to destroy would be the oil biz. This feud is going down in the near future and may be the mother of all black swans. It will bring the modern world to it's knees. I'm thinking that bit coin might not be the best barter either.
Yep... got gold?
Ridiculous. Unrealistic. Never Israel will hit Iran. The Jews did not have the means. Israel would be razed if the policies were undertaking an action also suicidal. Iran is not Syria. The Iran that is 80 million people who are not going to go by the Zionists.
Trade for relocation camps in the desert.
I posted last night about the recent announcement on the RT news site that the Russia defense forces were now taking delivery on a brand new anti aircraft missile for the TOR M-2 short and medium range air defense system. This type of missile and system is for shooting down all low and medium altitude attackers. Be they aircraft of any sort, especially the slow drones, but cruise missiles of all speeds, smart bombs and anything America and it's allies have. Smaller, faster, more accurate by orders of magnitude than earlier TOR Missiles. It hit super sonic cruise missiles head on and when it missed direct contact it's explosive warhead destroyed the targets with shrapnel.
But point of this story is, that nations like Syria have the TOR systems in place, the new missile can double the capacity of each launcher and can be fired on the move, so they need not even stop running to fire. Assad recently told another Mid East leader that HE, Assad, now had a game changer defense missile. I suspect he is getting the new Russian world class missiles for his TOR M-2's
Recent reports say Saudi Arabia went nuts when it's chemical weapons attack on Syria failed to produce the false flag he wanted. Washington played it's part in the chemical attack and already had the NAVY ships in place to launch after the CIA's Al-Qaeda released the nerve gas in Syrians. Notice not one rebel was hurt or killed? The false flag failed because of public pressure world wide. When the USA backed down, Saudi flipped out. They now are in open alliance with Isreal, whereas before it was under the table.
Mr. Putin said at the time, that if America attacked Syria, then he, Mr. Putin and the Russian military would arm Iran with all the weapons needed for self defense. He even mentioned S-400, presently the best long range anti aircraft missile system in the world. This made Washington flinch! The US military drove it's commander of the Joint Chiefs of Staffs to Obama's hide out in the White House and told him. "If Russia arms Iran with these types of systems, than an air war against Iran would cause losses that would make the air war a 2 week affair at the very most, as after the casualties mounted for more than 10 days, the air forces and navy would lose the ability to keep flying.
Israel and Saudi Arabia are screaming for blood. But they want, demand that America fight the war. They will not stop until they have America at war with Iran. I believe without a doubt, that Saudi intelligence and Israeli secret services are prepared to send their tame Al-Qaeda into America to do a flase flag attack. The blame will go to Iran. War will break out. Russia has said they will not back down in Iran. America will then face the first modern weapons systems it has seen since SAM's shot down American Aircraft over Hanoi in the early 1970's. Russian S-300, S-400 being covered by TOR M-2 with the new missile, these can and would destroy a certain % of every US strike force attacking Iran. In two weeks that could reach 50 US aircraft down at a minimum. Probably much worse than that. No, this will not be the Iraq Turkey Shoot. When a Carrier Air Wing flies out on a strike and of say 30 Aircraft in the strike, 6 do not come back, well you do the numbers. It will not be pretty!
The USA needs to get Israel and it's Al-Qaeda home base Saudi Arabia off of our backs!
Thanks for the good, well written analysis.
Israel and Saudi Arabia are a powerful alliance Don't under estimate what that partnership is capable of
Israel has a large nuclear weapons capability. Estimated at a minimum of 200 warheads available for near instant launch. Another 200 plus may be in secure storage as reload capability. Should Irael encounter a defeat in the air war against Iran, a small tactical nuke to disable air defenses with an EMP is not just possible, it is VERY likely.
If Israel loses "the air war" it's own population will tear it apart.
But of course, according to Israel, Iran shouldn't have such capability...LOL! Israel deserves every bad thing that comes its way, simply for being the world's biggest collection of FUCKING ASSHOLES.
They could be an historical alliance. It might even save the Saudi royals, who are unlikely to survive another decade in their homeland as it is (and have only made it this far by a series of accidents). But no, I don't see it happening.
You know how desperate Israel is when it ramps up the yapping, as for the dead man of middle east, that's just gas escaping from a rotting, bloated corpse. Anyone who has been watching this situation for the last 10 years, including the US Military, NATO, Russia, China et al. understands that an Israeli attack on Iran would spell the end of the apartheid state and panic in global energy markets. Bi Bi going yahoo about Iran is not news and the old shmuk is simply trying to distract from his failures at home while dealing with the reality of Israel slowly fading from the pages of history, just like F.W de Klerk and members of the National Party must have felt.
The only thing of interest here and the only question worth asking is when the US will formally cut ties with Israel and sell its old whore to the Arabs for oil. No doubt a false flag involving Israel and huge dose of anti-semetism and new home homeland in Africa for the most well mannered, polite and gracious settler communities. You see ultimately if the US wants to maintain any form of influence in the region it needs Iran and the Iranians are far more civil to deal with than the Arab dictators or the noxious and toxic Zoinists.
Smart and rich Israeli's have been moving to New York and London for over a decade as Israel's economy begins to rot. They are replaced with poor East European jews and with Middle Eastern jews of dubious racial putiry for the racist state of Israel. Now you figure, the smart and wealth leave while the dumb and poor enter. This equation means only a few more decades for this zionist state. Minus USA money, they are not viable. Not at all. Take away USA 6 billion a year in above table and under the table direct handouts, plus much more is secret support. Well, they are toast long run. Thus their huge nuclear weapons program. As they have said more than once. "When we go down, all go down. Next time we will take them all with us."
David Duke much?
What could go wrong with that?...
OTOH, 2014 is a solar max year, so bullish for wars.
And btw, France looks like it aims to be the new bully kid in town, but more likely is going to break its jaws one of these days. Libya, Mali, Syria, Iran... - seems like they're so desperate to sell any military equipment, they forgot they have no real force projection capability and might be reading themselves to have their asses handed over to them in a platter.
It's the typical "fuck up the economy, start a war" model.
WOW! Israel/Saudi fighting their own wars? UnFucking Believable!
So,I guess that means that not just Japan but also Iran might become nuclear wastelands for what, 30,000 years ?Who's next after that?
LOL...one way or the other, it's gonna end badly for Israel, so hey, keep on kicking that hornet's nest...
Which of them is Gog, and which is Magog?
It would seem that Gog is the name of a chief angelic cosmocrat and Magog is the national ruler under his influence, namely ofRussia. But Israel's cosmocrat is the angel Michael.
Joking - religious mythology is a tragedy for mankind, specially when it tries to projects into the future events of the past. Pity, when all it tries to tell us is the (tragic) history of the world:
Symbols of an Alien Sky | Official Movie
I. Velikovsky: In the Beginning
George HW Bush and George W Bush respectively ( if one can use such a word
I'd like to start off by stating explicitly that Iran has the lawfull right to enrich uranium under the NPT (Nuclear 'Non Proliferation Treaty') as a signatory member. It is this cherished agreement that binds all countries to be compliant with the IAEA (International Atomic Energy Agency) as its verifiable inspector (watchdog?) adhered to strickly by the UN Nat'l Security Council. Israel, Pakistan, India, N.Korea and S. Sudan aren't signatory?-- Iof the five listed there is only one nutjob,... that being N. Korea, but a caveat on Pakistan would be justifiable!?!
Let's start with the layman's term for processing uranium-ore into weapons grade (92-95%) WMD! This is what's called the "Fuel Cycle":
#1/7 Mining: Uranium ore is extracted from the ground. As it occurs in nature, uranium is predominantly made up of the uranium-238 isotope. Only about 0.7% is uranium-235, which is "fissile", meaning it can sustain a nuclear reaction.
#2/7 Milling: The ore is processed, by gringing and chemical leaching, to produce "yellowcake", a uranium concentrate.
#3/7 Conversion: The yellowcake is transformed, through a series of chemical processes, to uranium hexafluoride (UF6) gas, the feedstock for cenrafuge enrichment. The UF6 at this stage is still considered "nutural uranium", since the relative concentrations of U-238 and U-235 have not changed (three nucleus difference when processed complete).
#4/7 Enrichment: As the UF6 is fed through centrifuges, the concentration of U-235 is increased, correspondingly decreasing the consentration of U-238. Enrichment makes the uranium more capable of generating nuclear energy.
#5/7 Fuel Fabrication: The enriched uranium is converted into powder, processed into ceramic pellets, and inserted into fuel rods, which are then arranged into fuel assemblies that will power a reactor core.
#6/7 Storage: After being used in the reactor, the depleted nuclear fuel-- now mostly U-238 with not enough U-235 remaining to sustain the reaction-- is usually stored in a "spent fuel pool". Depleted fuel also contains about 1.0% of fissile plutonium, created as a by-product in the reactor {(PU-239)(this is the WTF moment?)}.
#7/7 Reprocessing: Since only a small percentage of the nuclear energy is used upin a normal reactor cycle, some countries recycle the spent fuel, recovering (or "separating") the uranium and plutonium for reuse.
The gas centrifuges are collections of cascades all linked together (think of a farmer milk processing machine churning to make butter... I have to laugh because that's what A. Q. Kahn secret clandestine code-name was for one of his nuclear parts program) besides maraging steel for the rotars, triggers, special annodized aluminum for centrifuge fabrication, machining tools, lubricants, neutron reflectors, implosion geometry and tampers (reducing critical mass by more than twofold),etc., etc.,...but, today it is pretty hard to keep this stuff secret in our nuclear world today where every 'jihadist', would give his sisters tits and mothers vagina up on a koran bible for-- where any-one-item needed to facilitate an enrichment-program would immediately send up a red-flag to the Security Council Members with an swift rebuke of force or sanctions! A response of WTF!!! Please don't do that, period!
Here's the 'Big Question", that has already been answered in secret negotiation (? US & Iran?) that the P5+1 are aware of, and can deal with: The nuclear properties of Plutonium-239 (The Arak 'Heavy-Water' Nuclear Reactor Facility sitting idle), as well as the ability to produce large amounts of nearly pure PU-239 (the bad-ass stuff... pure evil shit) more cheaply than highly enriched weapons-grade Uranium-235 (U-235 the good stuff), led to its use in nuclear weapons and nuclear power stations. The fissioning of an atom of U-235 in the reactor of a power plant produces two to three neutrons, and these neutrons can be absorbed by U-238 to produce PU-239 and other isotopes. Plutonium-239 can also absorb neutrons and fission along with U-235 in a reactor.
Most Plutonium is produced in research reactors or 'Plutonium-Production-Reactors', (Iran's "ARAK Research Nuclear Reactor is such, ans specifically used in Medical and Hydrology Isotope Reseach) called breeder-reactors because they produce more plutonium than they consume fuel; in principle, such reactors make extremely efficient use of natural uranium. In practice, their construction and operation is suffciently difficult that they are generally only used to produce plutonium (cold-war fuel-cycle WMD via USSR/USA).
The 'Point of Contention'?!? Everyone in the P5+1 is aware of Iran's 'ARAK's' research reactor as a mini-breeder reactor. It is modeled after the Russian (USSR/ 80's) "RBMK Reactor" that can remove spent fuel rods without shutting down for days or weeks!
Continue... However, most commercial nuclear reactor designs require the entire reactor to shut down, often for weeks, in order to change the fuel-elements. They therefore produce plutonium in a mix of isotopes that is not well-suited to weapon construction. Such a reactor could have machinery added that would permit U-238 slugs to be placed near the core and changed frequently, or it could be shut-down frequently, so proliferation is a concern: for this reason, the IAEA inspects licensed reactors often. The Russian "RBMK" pressurized heavy-water reactor model, is of commercial power designed to permit refueling without shutdowns, and does pose proliferation concerns as the Canadian "CANDU" model mirrors the same threat of cheating?!?
Important Note: Russia hasn't yet delivered the core reactor for Iran's "ARAK" nuclear reactor, and as far as Iran's Centrifuges IR-1 (P-1) and advanced models IR-2 (P-2) regarding what's churning out?-- the talk is nothing, ZERO! Even though Iran is said to have ~ 19K Centrifuges today. As far as the Arab's and Jew's saying Iran's missile's can reach anywhere in the world with their WMD is totally "BULLSHIT"! France has made economic ties with Tell Aviv just yesterday and Riyadh has pledged last week to a planeful of business-frogs pre-contractual agreements on Power Plants and Desalination Plants, Auto's, Defense etc., etc.,!
thankyou Tyler
Ps. I'll post ref. & (SIC) quotes/excerpts later with a follow up on much more data that I've omitted because of this lenghty comment!
Hollande of France in Israel has defined 4 preconditions to accepting the Iran deal at Geneva :
1° Immediately put ALL Iranian nuclear installations under control of International inspectors.
2° Suspend all Uranium enrichment to 20%
3° Reduce existing stock of Uranium enriched
4° Stop the construction of Arak Reactor.
I don't know if these conditions are acceptable to Iran and/or USA; but this is currrent position of France expressed at Tel Aviv conference.
Lets see what this entails; on all sides when the real deal begins.
Please feel free to comment on this.
The Ayattolahs are simply buying time, and the hidden Iman awaits.
#1 The IAEA has already been invited to inspect previous sites of contention with limited inspection of military facilities opened-up for inspection (Ps. one must realize Iran's concerns about IAEA inspectors talking to nuclear scientist having two of there top minds assasinated and the US/Israel 'Stuxnet Virus' via thumb drive?) in 2010.
#2 Iran's 20% has never been knowingly breached. ElBaradei the IAEA in 2009 as Inspector General confirmed this before his final 3rd term tenure was up.
#3 Their existing stock of U-235 is at ~75% of fissile uranium to make a warhead. But, processing it to HEU... 90%-95% U-235 is one thing they've yet to do(?)-- it is the arduous task of fabricating it into a warhead that is in itself a different kettle-of-fish, with a heat-signature that American spy satellites can easily decipher once they should endevor.
#4 ARAK is a problem, but its already been discussed and settled upon with a six-month open window. Russia still hasn't delivered the 'core reactor'. It's a none starter.
please reply... this is of extreme importance for the entire ME to get final closure on a sad tale that's been nearly two-generation in the making!
Let's start with crippleing sanctions against all countries that haven't signed the npt.
Then those that have failed to meet their obligations: That would include the US, UK , France.
If Persia acquires nuclear weapons, Saudia Arabia, Turkey, and Egypt will all look to enter the nuk club. This is nothing but JewHating under cover.
Uncle Sam. I am pointing this gun at my cousin. He is pointing a gun at me. Send us money, guns and live American targets or we will shoot.
Israel has more phds per capita than the USA. I'm sure they can figure this out better than our representatives, who aren't their representatives. If they can't, we can't either.
Oh well.
'The Ayatollah's Secret Slush Fund?'
[The] Arafat stole every penny from his people, period!!!
[The] Mumbarak stole every penny from his people, period!!!
[The] Saddam stole every penny from his people, period!
[The] Saudi Kings rape their people in 50 shades of grey, period!!!
[The] Gaddafi stole, but gave back... something we don't hear much about???
I'll stop here: "Iran's Khamenei control over the country's, 'Bonyads'" http://iranprimer.usip.org/resource/supreme-leader
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAVAK
"Inside the mind of Iran's Khamenei" by Scott Peterson [12/4/2012] *great ME journalist (one of the best / jmo)
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2012/1204/Inside-the-mind-of-Iran-s-Khamenei-video
Note: Sept/2009 Iranian elections placed 2nd term winner, 'Ahmadinejad'... popularity and power above that of the Ayatollah! In fact the hardliners hated him!!!
Bonus: "Why France is playing 'Stupid' on Iran" 11/12/13 by the one and only Mr. Pepe Escobar @ atimes http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MID-02-121113.html
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Others/Escobar.html
Pepe is the top-global journalist in this fucking, "WTF" world,... his books should be in every serious international student journalist library, period!
I was astonished by the last paragraph of this item, and I refuse to believe it was written by Tyler Durden.
The notion that the US initially favored supporting the Syrian rebels against Assad to assist the war profiteers is pure tin foil hat and not what one expects to find in Zero Hedge.
The notion that the US would ally itself with the aggressive attitudes of Israel and Saudi Arabia is equally irrational and totally lacking in consideration of the long term interests of the US.
Ummmmm.......did you forget the /sarc? Anyone paying attention knows "tin foil hat" is the "new normal". The tail has been wagging the dog for decades now.
Israel and the Sauds have been (covert) allies at least since the Iraq War. This is very old news.
From 2009: http://classicalvalues.com/2009/09/saudis_green_li/ - that would be 4 years ago.