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Obama Explains Why "Even If You Like Your Filibuster, You Can't Keep It" - Live Webcast
The President will deliver statement explaining, we assume, why Harry Reid's "nuclear option" vote is good for all American citizens...
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A minority telling us why majority rule is good for us. That makes perfect sense.
He is only half minority, so it's even worse.
Drown Bitch!
oops, wrong thread
I was explaining to a friend how they'll fuck up when the tables turn on their ass.
Interesting comeback was that all depends on immigration before then, and he was right. Too much work to do and we put our hopes in the hands of all these idiots.......on both sides
Is it because I didnt build it, that I cant keep it?
The Nuclear Option is OK when the D's run the Senate.
The Nuclear Option is not OK when the R's run the Senate.
It's OK, Obama is similar to King George III & everything worked out fine that time.
so, can we retroactively place Bork on the bench and re-adjudicate all cases he would have sat for (prior to his passing, of course)?
Here's the golfing waffle from 2005 on the "Nuclear Option"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4q6aqw_SfU0
Fuck You, Harry Reid.
I encourage all Americans to boycott Nevada:
"I will not step foot in your state.
I will not drive through your state.
I will avoid Las Vegas.
I will not land, nor change planes in your state.
You can drag my scorched, NSA bullet-ridden body to the gallows and cut the limbs from my body."
Fuck you, DOUCHEBAG!
I am FREE of you at last.
FREEDOM!
Is Carney gone?
Carney, was there ever a better named press guy?
FORWARD SOVIET! FORWARD PRAVDA! FORWARD TASS!
I do not really care what Obama says. My response is always the same. "Fuck you, you lying scumbag."
"If you like your Vaseline, you can keep your Vaseline."
Then why does it feel like he's going in dry every time?
Because it hurts even more. Going in dry also shows a lack of empathy, even (especially) if the rumors are true about Obama being gay.
Obama and his crew are psychopaths.
What knocks me down s that there are still a huge number of Americans that support this guy in spite of his bald faced lies...what does that say about our society? What worries me is as Obama and his administration keep making these extreme moves to illegaly consolidate power there will be some folks who won't stand for this radical change who might attempt to do something very stupid to stop it and then the powder keg will go off.
Obummer may achieve his dream and destroy this great country from the inside out.
Yes, they both have syphyilis. Or at least they act like that.
How come the house didnt need to vote on this?
Oh yea, because this is a banana republic.
Because it is only the Senate that approves nominations.
I would blast you for not knowing this but we all need to stick together these days. But try and understand how our govenrment works, OK?
It's only a matter of time 'til they do away with that relic of checks and balances.
Obozo let it slip that this is a precedent.ie gun control will be brought up again
with no fillibuster allowed.
He is going to go full retard.
RIP USA.
As long as the dumbcrats don't control the House, that will be difficult to achieve. That includes all bills that have to go through both houses. But it is Fait Accompli as far as nominees are concerned since they only go through the Senate.
Yeah until that walking creamsicle piece of shit Boner caves again.
I'd be surprised if the democrats would let gun control be brought up - they'd probably lose several of their gang, and besides they don't want to take a demagoguery talking point off the table. Much like race relations, war on poverty, etc.
So true. As a campaign issue, Universal Healthcare worked for the democrats. As an actual public policy, not so much. In the future, I predict they'll be more careful to keep good campaign issues as campaign issues. Like amnesty for illegals, as an example.
Worked for dumbcrats in 2008 & 2012, but not 2010. I suspect it will be a disaster in 2014 for them just like 2010.
Decree Powers, bitchez!
United States of Venezuela...
DaddyO
Great observation, + 1. Our next stop? Barack Maduro Chavez Obama...
Here DoChen fixed it for you: President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/d4a8ff5ebe/president-camacho-the-economy
If Boehner had balls, I know, I know. Nothing, I mean nothing would get a vote in the house until Senate rules were reinstated he would battle the incremental dismantling of our republic but he has no what? Class???
Anyone seen a vote count on this? What did my scumbags do?
Same as the other scumbags!
DaddyO
All the D scumbags voted yes, the other group of scumbags voted no.
like chris rock said, "He's our boss"
Hey Chris, was W your boss five years ago? (crickets)
its because all of the terrists in congress keeps blockin da presidentz cool hip progressive new policies. we cant have that, its like, progress and stuff.
I can't believe you would quote some idiot comedian (excuse me, black comedian), who isn't even funny.
Chris Rock not funny? How about this bit on alimony:
during the course of the relationship, a man grows accustomed to a few things. And I would love to see a man go to court and say, “Your Honor, check this out: Now, I’m accustomed to f***ing her four times a week. Now I feel like I should be able to f*** her at least twice a week. And then she can have the alimonyWhere 'minority' assumes both of its popular definitions. Normally you had to have had a career in telling bullshit on the news network to be on TV everyday. This dork has his own channel....
I'm for anything that will hasten the collapse at this point. This action definitely will.
quite scary, indeed.
Well, yes, but when does it happen? Best to prepare no matter when...
Fuck this corrupt asshole.................
Fuck him up!
I thought he was an ex smoker? Shouldn't he have lung cancer by now? You know, for the good of the country. . . . (not that I would wish it upon anyone, watched a relative die from it, not pretty, therefore I'm just asking a speculative question)
not to nitpick (and I completely disagree with obama and reid and harken) but mob rule aint that much fun either and all we have in this country anymore are two large mobs that trample any honest discussion. it is because of this blatant corruption that the rules need to remain and force a super majority if they want the kind of ease they are asking for...
and being disgusted by the entire thing is not a defense of the indosenian/kenyan.... anyways anyone got any photos of ann durham pregnant? but most on this site know the evidence for the narrative is extremely lacking
OMG who is this Wonder Bread eating bible banging corn-fed Dweeb !!
obama s reign of destruction rolls on - is this was reparations look like?
Hugo Fucking obama Chavez back to the airwaves. Fuck You Soetero you bitch
Every time I see Reid I think child molester or some kind of perverted old fuck. Hope you die real soon harry and hopefully it's painful
Down-arrow if you dream of Obama's 2-incher up your butt...
There's some sick puppies around here, ya know...
DaddyO
The problem, I think, is that it was worded sorta like ballot initiatives in California.
Or maybe you're right.
Think I'm gonna cancel that ZeroHedge get together at my house thing I'd planned over the holidays.
Ah, c'mon, you only live once.
Just imagine what the neighbors would say the next day.
Party on!
DaddyO
what a Nero wanna be
A Ne?ro wannabe?
yeah, that. he's so plastic and phony and clean and articulately spoken that he can't even pull that off. At least Rick James would pull a president Camacho and provide a little freakin entertainment while we circle the drain.
This guy can't even fuck up correctly.
I'd vote for Nero before I vote for Obama.
More like Caligula by the time he's done
Wasn't he on teevee explaining something to us yesterday.....and the day before...... And twice the day before that? I'm beginning to think it's not really about us.
Free speech?
Free debate?
Not so much. Now even less!
Basically, he just said that becasue they lost the election, they cant just ruin a nomination....it's not 'normal'
What the FUCK is normal? Tell me, you lying piece of shit!
But it was "normal" for dumbcrats to fillibuster GWB nominees when the dumbcrats lost the election. Classic 0zer0 logic.
I've refrained from saying fuck you obama for years, up until now. Fuck you Obama
I down-voted you for refraining this long.
I upvoted both of you guys for restraint and yet knowing when the time has come for stronger words.
If you like your president; you can keep the kenyan cocaine bath house homo
I thought it was "If you like your president; you can keep the Indonesian-raised choomer Thursday-night-fag-toy"?
Anything so that Obamacare isn't the leed story for the talking heads.
He can only have Oprah talking up racism so often.
And those shootings/stabbing don't come along every day. Oh, wait...
oprah is a cunt and not because she is black
oprah is a cunt and not because she is black
so nice you had to say it twice?
opie seems to have forgotten how the potus and flotus dropped her ass after they got the votes. and how many white housewives are turning her shit off?
don't bite the hand that feeds you, cunt
This will be RICH.
Banana Republic, with a QEeen Yellen Weimar Press; RUN. .....Devaluations ahead, and capital confiscation, TRICKLE UP HEALTH CAR AND POVERTY.
Yes, capital confiscation and devaluations. That’s why Goldman Sachser cum Citigroupee Robert Rubin got a promise from Senator Barack Obama in 2008 that he would cut Social Security if elected president.
Why would Rubin want Obama to do that? It's because the nation’s on the verge of financial chaos with staggering levels of government debt and unfunded liabilities of state and local governments – debt owed to the bankers. And he wants his money.
Rubin wants to slash SS and Medicare payments to ensure that he and the other international bankers who own the nation’s crushing national debt load get paid back in real value, i.e., the people’s assets and labors. That’s how the bankers rob the people, by lending them their own credit on paper created out of nothing and then charging them usury (interest). But the usury has to be repaid in real value, i.e., by redistributing the people’s property to the bankers.
Treasurydirect.gov explains: “The deficit is the fiscal year difference between what the United States Government (Government) takes in from taxes and other revenues, called receipts, and the amount of money the Government spends, called outlays. The items included in the deficit are considered either on-budget or off-budget.
“You can think of the total debt as accumulated deficits plus accumulated off-budget surpluses. The on-budget deficits require the U.S. Treasury to borrow money to raise cash needed to keep the Government operating. We borrow by selling securities like Treasury bills, notes, bonds and savings bonds to the public.”
Bernanke has cranked up the QE spigots to fund Government debt and Wall Street, masking the inflation with ZIRP – i.e., by wiping out pensioners, decreasing the buying power of insurance policies, reducing wage purchasing power, crushing savers and taxing the “rich,” the victims.
And just who are the “rich.” Well, more than half of Americans polled in 2011 by Gallup said an income of no more than $150,000 would qualify that person as rich. “When asked how much money per year would be necessary for them to consider themselves ‘rich,’ 53 percent mentioned an income of $150,000 or less, and 71 percent said an income of $300,000 would be enough.”
That doesn’t bode well for the land of opportunity now under a collectivist state run by mob rule and international bankers who can vote themselves the treasury, i.e., your money.
In the meantime, Nancy "We Pass Legislation To Learn What It Does Thereafter" Pelosi has resorted to referring to ObamaCare as "the Affordable Care Act" in all interviews and speeches, and has even denied that she ever referred to the ACA as "ObamaCare" in the past.
Because Pelosi...
i think they are woundering why they haven't been arrested for treason yet.
Silly sheeple, they don't even believe in treason. That's just a PR front to keep the tools in line.
She's a compleat memory hole.
obama, can u please explain y u have not killed yourself yet for the better of this country u fucking piece of shit?
die u asshole
It was only a 200+ year old rule.
A barbarous relic.
Eat your fucking peas America!
If you like eating your peas, you can keep eating your peas.
Even if you don't like eating your peas, you will keep eating your fucking peas.
Comedic Gold Barry.
Go suck a dick you lying asshole.
What will america do about its unlawful government? Anything?
Keep posting here on 0hedge pissing and moaning, myself included, until someone goes full retard and enough others get the balls to follow suit.
Fuckin Fuckin Fuckin Fuckin liar
Yesterday, on this very site, I used the word "fucking" six times in one sentence.
I still did not make my point.
He's using the Blame-It-On-Bush card.
I'm 52, and this is the worst speech I've ever heard from a sitting US President.
He's installing himself as Dictator right before our eyes.
I posted this on the other filibuster thread, but it's just as appropriate here too.
The world is run by sociopaths, and I have said time after time, that a sociopath by definition will sacrifice EVERYTHING to maintain their power. This is just another little microchasm of that truth. Sociopaths will sacrifise any law, constitution, govt, country, friend or family member to maintain their status, even if that only gains them a short term reprieve. It's all about the "here and now" and never a thought for the damage to the future. When that future damage comes, they will just violate another principle to desperately hold onto that status a little longer. It's the ultimate game of the law of diminishing returns for them. The only way to break them is revolultion, and sadly, we are a still a long way from the masses being ready for that. The masses will have to be starving in the streets before guillotines start rolling.
take a hard look at the masses. you don't want to go to war with them (alongside them). free people have to accept what is now in the past, and look forward to what can be for them in the future.
In every revolution, the masses have always been useful to those pulling the strings. The bottom line is the masses have to be led. Right now they are being led by sociopaths, but they will turn against their masters when they are hungry. That's the opportunity for free people to lead.
Thing is, the sociopaths occupy all "sides." Revolution is their absolute wet-dream, as it upends ALL existing social structures, creating the vacuum which they will fill with their power to "rebuild" society.
The only real solution is to walk away. However, given a century of fedgov schooling, freedom has all but been bred out of the masses. Add to that, the Federal Reserve enslavement via currency debasement, creating millions dependent upon the scam, and well, there simply is no escape at this time.
Respectfully disagree. The last thing a sociopath wants is revolution. A sociopath by definition fears losing their power, and revoultion is the single greatest threat to that power. Want proof? Why is the NSA spying on every citizen? Why has the IRS been empowered to coerce every citizen? Why is DHS stockpiling billions of rounds of ammo? It is precisely to guard against, prevent and quash any revolution, not foster it. There is no need for the sociopath to start a revolution to achieve their goals, because they have designed the system to use all the existing political, economic and security systems now to build it. Revolution destroys all that work. The only person that wants revolution to rebuild society is an anarchist, and anarchists always fail because all they do is create the power vacuum you say, and that is utimately filled by... you guessed it... sociopaths.
You are correct about all "sides" being dominated by sociopaths. The trick is for enough free people to rise up to drown out the sociopaths and control them. It can be done because sociopaths, although vocal, are still a minority. That's what a constitution is for, to control the sociopaths, but sadly ours is but a fragment of what those free people originally designed. But the bottom line is still the same. You point out all the enablers of sociopaths in controlling the masses, but we all know eventually the great ponzi will collapse. All corrupt societies do. So revolution is inevitable. The challenge for free people is to plan for it, and take advantage of it when it happens. The long term view is what is required, because it may be our children or grandchildren that ultimately will be the ones that rebuild the society.
The masses will sit on the sidelines during this revolution just as the 60% did in the last one. What we are witnessing is a coup. It is now time to Lock-N-Load.
I'll take 40% of the masses supporting the revolution with 60% of the masses sitting on the sidelines every day. Revolutions are won with FAR less than 40% support of the masses. Ultimately it is the security forces that decide which side to support. When they turn, sociopaths always lose...and lose violently.
i think some of his supporters are starting to see it.
his supporters will never be the friends of freedom, so why worry about what they do or do not see?
A million more+ if I could, who cares what they want, desire or see. Bipartisanship just died a violent death was buried and the ground salted..
He said "doody"..
Uh, huhuh.. huh.. huhuhuh
I lay awake in bed at night wondering how big the asteroid need be to wipe out that fucking toilet DC.
I may be sick for saying this, but sometimes I wish Osama got his wish and got a chance to bring his briefcase nuke to the capitol.
Believing the Osama Bin Laden meme is like believing in the Easter bunny.
Hail Caesar
Is this the live chat? Hi Barry, eat my poo.
Its how Dictators get power....inch by inch.......
The sheeple are too stupid to understand what just happened here. Not that there were many checks and balances left, but we are now one step closer to a full blown dictatorship.
This is not a dictatorship..
It's simply "increasing governing efficiencies, which will be good for the American people..."
If you like your DicktatOr, you can keep your DicktatOr
You know what's great about this site?
No /sarc tag needed.
As of this writing, four happy uptwinkles and zero angry downtwinkles.
Enabling Act.
And the Monkey is just warming up.
You will see a Civil War in this country; there is gonna be a hell of a lot of dead people and pretty damn soon.
But, no, they could not stand up to wah wah.
Why isn't everyone on this thread cursing the 52 socialists who voted for this?Obama did not have a vote. Make your Senators feel the disdain or this foolishness will continue.
I don't think asshats like Schmuck Schumer care what thinking Americans feel. They know they're are enough low-info voters out there that will give them lifetime tenure.
Complain to my senators? Barbara Boxer and Diane Feinstein would love to see me behind the wire in a FEMA labor camp.
Will bullets suffice?
Too bad we do not have Republicans who aren't afraid to punch back, a hell of a lot harder in reaction to this. McConnell simply says like some effette eunuch "You just wait until the shoe is on the other foot." Umm,yeah, we have been waiting, and continue to wait Mitch. And when you are in the Majority you don't do jack shit either.
On the other hand, Levin (MI), Manchin (W.Va.) & Pryor (AR) are to be applauded for not toeing the party line and crossing for the vote against.
...but it's a good socialist dictatorship, because Obama.
Most of the people i talked to asked who the fuck is this guy Phil R. Buster?
Now all that's left is to ram through immigration reform the night before Thanksgiving.
Blonde in the front row..
*fap fap fap*
Vote Democrat, its the only way to fix this.
Fuck this nigga and not because he's black. Fuck the white half of this nigga too!
Do this country a favor Obunghole and put a loaded gun to your head and pull the fucking trigger!
Same to you Harry and Nancy!!
WTF is wrong with our vaunted USMC and Secret Service? They're close, they have guns....
Game on.
SEN. HARRY REID (D-NV): "As majority leader, I intend to run the Senate with respect for the rules and for the minority rights the rules protect. The Senate was not established to be efficient. Sometimes the rules get in the way of efficiency. The Senate was established to make sure that minorities are protected. Majorities can always protect themselves, but minorities cannot. That is what the Senate is all about. For more than 200 years, the rules of the Senate have protected the American people, and rightfully so. The need to muster 60 votes in order to terminate Senate debate naturally frustrates the majority and oftentimes the minority. I am sure it will frustrate me when I assume the office of majority leader in a few weeks. But I recognize this requirement is a tool that serves the long-term interest of the Senate and the American people and our country."
(Sen. Reid, Congressional Record, S.11591, 12/8/06)
U.N. Small Arms Treaty and Trans-Pacific Partnership. Wonder how it affects them?
Requires 2/3 to ratify a treaty, so the filibuster is irrelevant except for the media muppet show.
'Til the fux in office vote to change that.
"It's just a piece of paper"
Art 2 Sec 2 Cl 2
He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.
But that doesn't mean Harry Bunghole is above calling a midnight session of the Senate to pass one out.
Edit: As long as we're talking about Harry and the big game... it's actually to overturn the Supreme Court's precedent in Reid v. Covert, and then that midnight treaty option gets really interesting.
And what exactly IS a treaty under US law ?
"In the United States, the term "treaty" has a different, more restricted legal sense than exists in international law. U.S. law distinguishes what it calls treaties from executive agreement, congressional-executive agreements, and sole executive agreements. All four classes are equally treaties under international law; they are distinct only from the perspective of internal American law. The distinctions are primarily concerning their method of approval. Whereas treaties require advice and consent by two-thirds of the Senate, sole executive agreements may be executed by the President acting alone. Some treaties grant the President the authority to fill in the gaps with executive agreements, rather than additional treaties or protocols. And finally, congressional-executive agreements require majority approval by both the House and the Senate, either before or after the treaty is signed by the President.
Currently, international agreements are executed by executive agreement rather than treaties at a rate of 10:1. Despite the relative ease of executive agreements, the President still often chooses to pursue the formal treaty process over an executive agreement in order to gain congressional support on matters that require the Congress to pass implementing legislation or appropriate funds, and those agreements that impose long-term, complex legal obligations on the U.S."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty
[the President still often chooses] - my emphasis rwe2late
I think the more interesting question (with respect to ATT) is--
What is a treaty under INTERNATIONAL law?
The ATT's amendment by majority issue and the undefined terms get a lot of press, but what doesn't get as much attention is that while the international TAXATION has been removed from the current version of the treaty. However, the framework and infrastructure to support future taxation remain in the treaty, which makes those undefined terms and simple amendment process much more troubling.
What the EUcrats in Brussels have achieved by Treaty could very well be the road-map certain parties are working from, other than the obvious independence from the "generosity" of member States (and the United States in particular).
Where's Ghordius?
There is no such thing as international law. There are lots of national ones, to be sure, and a bunch of fair weather agreements that are valid to the degree they are respected and enforced.
Ding! Ding! Ding! There it is right there. Simple majority to ratify treaties.
Be afraid, people. Be very fucking afraid.
Mr. President, yesterday morning I spoke here about a statement the Majority Leader issued calling the filibuster a “procedural gimmick.”
The Websters dictionary defines “gimmick” as – - “an ingenious new scheme or angle.” No Mr. President, the filibuster is not a scheme. And it is not new.
The filibuster is far from a “procedural gimmick.” It is part of the fabric of this institution. It was well known in colonial legislatures, and it is an integral part of our country’s 217 years of history.
...
And it is noteworthy that today the Congressional Black Caucus is opposed to the Nuclear Option.
...
For 200 years, we’ve had the right to extended debate. It’s not some “procedural gimmick.”
It’s within the vision of the Founding Fathers of our country. They established a government so that no one person – and no single party – could have total control.
Some in this Chamber want to throw out 217 years of Senate history in the quest for absolute power.
They want to do away with Mr. Smith coming to Washington.
They want to do away with the filibuster.
They think they are wiser than our Founding Fathers.
I doubt that’s true.
-Harry Reid, Reid Floor Speech on Use of Filibuster, 2005
hysterical president's historical precedent. and the beat goes on da-da-dum da-dum da-da.
Who is this fucking nobody?
no one really gave him that hard of a time.
where's helen thomas when you need her?
may she r.i.p.
THIS IS AN OUTRAGE. WHO DO THESE PEOPLE THINK THEY ARE? WHO DO THEY THINK WE ARE? DO THEY THINK AMERICANS ARE JUST GOING TO SIT BACK AND WATCH THEIR REPUBLIC DIE IN FRONT OF THEM... oh wait
It will be very interesting to see if this rule survives a red team president / senate someday. It will be an outrage at that point I'm sure.
Interesting too, to note that this nuclear option was put to use, at least in part, to esure that Yellen becomes the next Fed chief......must be really important to those in power......whoever they are.
I am going to laugh my ass off when the Republicans take back control of the senate and all the idiots who voted for this find themselves on the receiving end, whining about how unfair it is.
Your name really says it all as that is what you will be feeling when the red team takes over and... disappoints..
I never said they will end up being any better. I just said I will laugh at the idiots that created this debacle when it is turned against them.
Let me say it for you again: Disappoints That is pretty clear isn't it, not better, not failing to dish up revenge, just disppointing enough to allow the framework built by progressives to stand until the next part is placed see the disappointing pattern yet?
I think not.
In a year, all the "republicans" will be in prison or dead.
This all part of a coup. Lock-N-Load mother fuckers as it going to be a long cold winter!!
Don't you understand? They have the US and the world exactly where they want it.
This is their program:
Step 1: If the Dems. piss you off then vote for the Repubs.
Step 2: If the Repubs. piss you off then vote for the Dems.
Step 3: goto Step 1.
You, the American Citizen, have no choice, No alternative, No change (right Obama) until the power of the controlling cartel (owning politicians of both parties behind the scenes, but completely opaque to the citizenry) is broken.
Good Luck.
In other words no matter what we are going to be disappointed.
And now Obama and the Dems move to pack the DC Court of Appeals, the second most powerful court in the land. Say Hello to rubberstamped federal regulations that will be bulletproof to litigation, unless the Supreme Court takes up the challenging case on appeal.
cant this be challenged in the courts?
does that mean it will only take 51 votes in the senate to impeach the obumbler once the repubs take over in 14...
look at the integrity and calibre of the people who found this country versus the useless scumsucking crooked parasites in office today... time to empty the septic tank...
They pretty much just turned the government into an Oligarchy....officially.