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US Challenges China, Flies B-52 Bombers Over New Air Defense Zone
One of the notable developments in the neverending China-Japan territorial sovereignty dispute over various rock formations (and potential massive natural resources located beneath them) in the East China Sea, has been China's launch of an "air defense zone" over said disputed islands. As AP reported previously, Beijing on Saturday issued a map of the zone — which includes a cluster of islands controlled by Japan but also claimed by China — and a set of rules that say all aircraft entering the area must notify Chinese authorities and are subject to emergency military measures if they do not identify themselves or obey Beijing's orders. Various Japanese airlines responded in a confused manner overnight, with neither JAL nor ANA sure whether or not to comply with China's new demand which is merely the latest territorial escalation.
Yet the declaration seems to have flopped as a foreign policy gambit. Analysts say Beijing may have miscalculated the forcefulness and speed with which its neighbors rejected its demands. "Washington, which has hundreds of military aircraft based in the region, says it has zero intention of complying. Japan likewise has called the zone invalid, unenforceable and dangerous, while Taiwan and South Korea, both close to the U.S., also rejected it."
To put an end to any debate of how the US really feels about China imposing what it believes is its own territoria sovereignty, moments ago the WSJ reported that, in a direct challenge to China, or perhaps provocation, "a pair of American B-52 bombers flew over a disputed island chain in the East China Sea without informing Beijing, U.S. officials said Tuesday, in a direct challenge to China and its establishment of an expanded air defense zone.
The planes flew out of Guam and entered the new Chinese Air Defense Identification Zone at about 7 p.m. Washington time Monday, according to a U.S. official.
Defense officials earlier had promised that the U.S. would challenge the zone and would not comply with Chinese requirements to file a flight plan, radio frequency or transponder information.
The flight of the B-52s, based at Anderson Air Force Base in Guam, were part of a long planned exercise called Coral Lightening. The bombers were not armed and were not accompanied by escort planes.
While the probability of a direct Chinese retaliation against the US is slim to none, it is quite possible that the Chinese will once again redirect their nationalist anger toward Japan, in a repeat of what happened a year ago when the Japanese government escalated the Senkaku Island confrontation, leading to a purge of Japanese business interests (and citizens) from the mainland, and a collapse of all Japanese exports to China. And since one of Abenomics key "arrows" is boosting exports, the last thing the economy, which already hangs by a thread, needs is another economic embargo by one of its largest trading partners. We will find out if China reacts in such a fashion shortly.
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You know they carry that shit on the inside of the plane now right?
Not necessarily. There's plenty of "hard points" on a B52
Uh...yea, and there's also plenty of 'hard points' on a B-17 as well, and it also flies.....doesn't mean it's not obsolete though.
When they are flying around the globe to drop ordinance it's limited to internal carry only. The thing isn't very cheap to fly when it's 'not' loaded, and extra drag on the airframe and added weight is not helping it get around the globe.
When it's merely a short hop from one shitstain to another it's hard points and belly carriage as they are flying in air support roles. Entirely different mission than, "I will fly over here and make sure you see me."
There's a rotating carriage in the updated B-52's for cruise missiles. The ones that carry JDAM's are a different story, but I doubt they will be dropping those anytime soon in mainland China. So the only thing they would be carrying is ALCM using the carriage.
Go ahead, ask me how I know about them :-P
Snowden told you?
Nope, your mom showed me the sight from her tail gunner position :-P
To bad Bud Holland isn't around this was really his sort of gig.
Sorry agent p--- the biggest dummy --float--aircraft would be the Clinton Basher--always ready for action.
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If Clinton got blowed up then it would be time for the BIG Kahoona
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but do nicely when zato needs to bomb defenseless third world countries where brown or yellow women or children might be herding goats or growing rice.
Re: B-52's were obsolete 30 years ago.
They were going to use a B1, but it wouldn't start.
Lemme guess. The chinese made start button broke again?
Mwahahaha...
They were going to use a B2, but it cost more than the islands they were flying over.
Nothing carries a bigger bomb load farther and faster than a Buff!
But I would prefer they flew a pair of F111s over the islands doing Mach 1.8 instead!
"B-52's were obsolete 30 years ago."
Today's music cannot compete..!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VCCiY17hKw
It depends on too many variables to make a blanket statement like this including what are acceptable level of losses, the length of the campaign, the location, and the mission.
They weren't sure the Dreamliner was up to the trip.
B-52s are a superior platform for high subsonic bomber missions, and in comparison to many others of its type have vastly superior operational costs... I guarantee you the US will have B-52s in active service well into the decade of 2040
need a new Iran...
Where is the propaganda speech?Get the POTUS to speak.
PS: Send the PPT first, I can read the shit on my own
We, as citizens, should not tolerate this behavior from our "leaders"
Listen to Matt Damon reading the inspirational words of Howard Zinn (from 1970) in this short, 5 minute video.
"The Problem is Civil Obedience"http://vimeo.com/48834336
Zinn's a fucking commie, why the hell would anyone listen to that? Understand: commies.can't.be.right.about anything. A couple hundred million shallow graves across the globe say so.
Regardless if he's a commie or not, this is not about communism. Did you listen to the video? It's about not always being obedient citizens. It's about getting back to the Declaration of Independence. We have the numbers on our side to change what we don't like.
Of course stocks rally once this upbeat news story hits the wires. I'm long stock market crashes ;)
Is Russia the real enemy?...Not Iran or China.
Because broadly speaking, Detente between Iran and the USA is potentially a “Game Changer”.
It certainly is a “Democratic” Party Platform choice vs a “Republican” Party one.
With this new Detente, Iranian Oil should begin to flow outwards bringing cheaper Oil prices.
If Israel and Saudi Arabia are concerned about Iran’s Nuclear, then they can blow it up, its not America’s responsibility.
If I've learned anything about "Democracy" it's that the states real enemies are it's people.
External threats are just for show.
I really think that someone forgot to carry a one when they translated the Mayan Calendar.
As I had posted earlier; US moves out of "hot" option in ME, awaiting "Iran nuclear defuse" confirmation over next 6 months, all the while regrouping its military resources for the match of decade to come in South China seas some time down the road.
And, we have the reply almost immediately : Its on !
Next move, the US 10 year bond rate hits 4%, followed by a hasty recall of bomber forces on the realisation that the tbtf banks have just lost another few trillions.
I thought that trade between nations eliminated the possibility of war. That's what the MSM assholes have been telling us for decades. Primary propaganda rational for the EU. Didn't seem to work so well in the USA in 1861.
"Operation Anaconda." McClellan truly subjected its author to whithering criticism. Turned out not only to be the plan...but the plan that won the war. Just ask Japan how unprovoked aggression goes over with Ye olde USA.
unprovoked? So, cutting a nation off from access to oil, when it is entirely dependant on oil imports, is not a provocation? Some would consider that to be an act of war.
Yeah, the yanks will bomb China and accidentally hit the factory where their uniforms are made. After that the US soldiers will have to fight naked. As the war progresses, the US starts out quite successful, but then start suffering as they can no longer purchase tools or parts for their vehicles. Eventually they say, "Fuckit" and outsource the fighting to a Chinese mercenary group that promise to do the job faster and cheaper.
http://www.dilbert.com/1997-12-15/
No, that's why all of those ghost cities were built. We have something to bomb, they have something to rebuild. Economic stimulus for all...
"trade between nations eliminated the possibility of war"
It's true! That's why we sent all our manufacturing jobs over there: patriotism.
If the fed could hook those jets up to it's printer to get a bit more juice they would.
Hit 'em with your purse Barry.
LOL
How long till Japan develops nukes?
If they wanted, less than six months. Japan has been considered a non-nuclear nuclear power for decades since they have both the engineering skill, industry, material, delivery systems etc. The only reason they don't have them is due to internal and external legal considerations.
The only reason they don't have them is due to internal and external legal considerations...
Are you saying the "Rule of Law" actually means something?
To them, it's a pretty structurally rigid society. Plus they get a free ride on defense from the US, so there's no need for them to spend $ clandestinely to build nukes ( the boom-boom kind that is.)
It's the ultimate kamikaze: butter-fingers on Fukushima & the whole country blows up, hitting China & anyone else with fallout for a thousand years. Or 10 thousand.
China is a false threat. All their actions are to focus anger from their own ineptitude and internal failings toward "The Threat".
Can China call in its loans? No. China is held hostage with an economic gun to its own head...if they lose the markets they export to either by further world economic depressions or if they were to face stiff tariffs on their products from the west then it is GAME OVER for them. The inner party is not that stupid. They know this.
So why the belligerance now? China's populace is waking up to the fact that their government is a can of shit masquerading as a Thanksgiving Dinner (or whatever is the Chinese equivalent). Environmental toxins, heavy metals, birth defects , cancer rates...hell, rice tainted with Chromium 6!...my goodness, what a cesspool their fascist drive to be number one has created for their own people..
And now that people in that horrible country have some money and some time to stick their heads up and look around they are seeing their situation for what is is. A total cluster fuck.
What we are seeing here is just China playing a dangerous gambit to focus the population on external threats to avoid internal revolution.
Re "... if they lose the markets they export to ..." :
In one sense, I understand that argument, in another sense, I don't. It is the triumph of greed and stupidity that makes that argument work. "Oh dear me, I haven't got a bludger with whom I can swap fake monopoly money for real goods and services. I'm gonna go broke!!!" "I haven't got an unemployed bludger in my house writing out IOUs for all the money I earn! How ever will I survive?"
Who gives a f? All China really needs is resources, raw materials. Why on earth do they need rich consumers? Because they're too stupid to give their own people pay rises so that they can afford to consume what they produce? Because 1.3 billion people isn't a big enough market?
When you look at the flow of money, sure, losing your "trading partners" might be a problem. (Note my ignorance here. Does China import any raw materials from the US? How much?) But if you take the imaginary fiat out of the equation, China only needs to trade in order to obtain raw materials. After they offset that, they can produce as much as they want and keep the production internal. Chinese people get to keep the fruits of their labour - they get rich. The US of the '50s? While we're on the subject, how is Chinese business doing in Africa these days? What kind of deals are materializing over there?
What do the Chinese buy with their excess US dollars? US land? US "investments"? US companies? I guess they'll keep exporting to the US so they can continue to buy US soil. Oh yeah, they keep doing those deals where they can by-pass using US dollars. Better keep track of that too.
PT, the situation of China is precarious. The are already losing jobs to Vietnam and others. Their margins are so tight they have no room to maneuver out of this GAME so they are forced to play on.
And your point about them pullin back exports to feed internal consumerism is a interesting one. Have you heard of the Crisis of Capitalism? The consumer who is also the worker can NEVER be paid enough to maintain a balance of production-to-consumption in the long run. This is at the heart of the entire world economic collapse and only profligate borrowing is keeping the wheels turning right now...the end is near!
So, even without the Ponzi it was still a giant Ponzi all along? Weird.
china imports some coal from the usa. there's a big hullaboo in washington state surrounding which port facilities are going to receive x number of coal trains per day; coal headed for china.
Thanks for responding.
Interesting the way governments work...
My understanding is that the Fed holds all foreign-owned treasuries, at least those of any significant size. So in order for China to dump bonds, they would have to have the cooperation of the Fed. Seems unlikely, doesn't it?
China does whatever they want. They are not beholden to the Fed for anything.
China only wants to know which flights have their gold...
Repent Obamacare is near
Operation: Fudgepacker...
Dr Strangelove was prophetic...
Seems like the best thing for China to do is to take down the US before hand by destabilizing the financial markets.
China has more than enough to do this. China joined with other countries could reap the rewards.
Wall Street created the Chinese monster.
China and Russia could start with nuking the dervatives market.
Lots ponzi built-in.
Even if the Chinese dump all treasury paper, so what? With the click of a mouse they are wiped off the books and replaced by some other cluster of meaningless digital entries in some computers. Welcome to the new millenium.
We've great technology but when all's said and done, boots on the ground..................our Obamanized, Pussified military are gonna be wearin' their ass for a hat. Damn him AND BUSH.....AND CLINTON for weakening our military.
Don't ask. Don't smell.
Too late.
The japanese, ever ahead of the curve, already launched a pre-emptive attack on themselves.
israeli security firm Magna BSP landed a security contract at Fukushima Daiichi shortly after Japan offered to enrich uranium for Iran. Soon after Magna BSP arrived, Symantec reported that the Stuxnet virus had infiltrated thousands of computers in Japan..
Stuxnet works by disrupting industrial hydraulics, the pipes and valves that drove Fukushima's cooling systems. Stuxnet runs amok while sending normal readings to the engineers at their control stations. Israel is documented to have used this virus to damage centrifuges at nuclear facilities in Iran.
The cooling systems at Fukushima were controlled by Siemens software, which the Stuxnet virus was designed specifically to attack.
Stuxnet can be administrated via the kind of data link that Magna BSP installed before scramming back to Israel just prior to the disaster.
Stuxnet could explain why Fukushima's generators failed. It could also explain why the valves in the passive cooling systems got shut. It could explain why engineers were still getting containment pressure readings from Reactor 3, even though the containment was no longer there...
wonder if its the same thing messing with the aca website- as should be done
wonder if its the same thing messing with the aca website- as should be done
Hi Tony,
Thanks interesting:
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Keep up the good work Tony. I am always looking for your posts in order to get a better picture of what that gang is up to. They are really the true terrorist threat. I feel certain they are working with Saudi intelligence to carry out a false flag in America. Something to help kick off the was against Iran and to finish the job of crushing Syria. Israel has never considered any American life as anything of value, only in as far as that life can serve Israel, Our money, our weapons and our troops are the force behind a tiny crap nation's ability to be a major nuclear weapons power. Hundreds of warheads targeted for maximum death from Northern Europe to Iran. One might ask, why so many warheads? Whose cities are targeted? ANd the US congress tells me, that I owe Israel my money and loyalty, otherwise I am a traitor and terrorist.
Guess the economy is getting worse... They must need to start a new Cold War...or ww3
Slim Pickins riding bomb bay.
GD, LMT, BAH all having an orgy
Funny isn't it. The US doesn't respect other nations' laws or borders and fully expects everyone to follow its dictates.
I'm waiting for some country to force air force 1 down with Obama in it and make him go through what that Latin American president had to go through in Austria
Maybe somebody will force him down, jail him for life, and we will never see his homo ass again!
What is funny is that the US doesn't even follow the supreme law of their own land.
Let's see, we spend half a trillion dollars a year so we can fly a couple of planes over some rocks? Why, it makes perfect sense to me.....
MIC MGRS: Move the new product. I don't care if the old stuff is still flying. Can't you start a war or something?
Nothing says Nobel peace prize like flying a b52 over a few countries
Yup. Especially when that country is China and they've told us not to.
us and uk already taking over the phillipines via the haarp deployment.
a nice new bigger and bette us rape base,
another handy local transit point for the drugs and the mercenaries.
more jewish scripting rothschild style.
B52s? That's some old technology there. They were flying those fuckers over Vietnam.
What better reason to build new planes than to get the old ones shot down.
Coral Lightening.
They can't spell? They can't organize a proper false flag (sandy hook), they can't spell and I'm supposed to believe they can organize a WOAR for cover of a currency collapse? Fucking amateurs
Any ideas for a false flag anyone?
Or someone in Pyongyang planning a turkey shoot over them islands?
And if China really wants Japan to suffer they'd drop a few bombs on Fukushima. Bonus is they'd hurt the US west coast too.
Does it ever make sense to carpet bomb the carpet factories?
Can we use curse words on here ????
Duh?!!
no bitch cussing is for men get the feck outta here missy.
so we will use diplomacy when you don't have the nuclear capabilities, but will instigate when you do?
How again does flying massive slow moving 50 year old easy to shoot down technology loaded with nothing but fuel threaten the Chicoms again?
If we really wanted to threaten the Chicoms we would dump our Socialist Solar agenda and jump on the nat gas bandwagon.
I'd also impose huge tariffs on any imports to America from "gross polluter" and slave states like China.
ban the trade, whatta whole lotta punishment :)
Sorry guys, but it's all theater.
The central bank of Red China has accumulated over a trillion dollars of US Treasury securities; and possesses none of them. The securities are actually possessed by the FR Bank of New York. The weekly statistical release, H4.1 provides a table tracking such foreign owned US Treasury securities.
In other words, the FRBNY holds the power to simply erase or void every UST security owned by Red China. If this were to happen, the Red Chinese central bank would see a trillion dollars of its assets go up in smoke overnight. What do you think this would do to the Red Chinese banking system? That’s right… poof!
You might ask, “Why would China allow itself to take on such paper with so little collateral?”
For one thing, they probably thot they had sufficient collateral when they were given (1999) the Panama Canal Zone; after all, that gave them control of 26% of America’s international trade.
Another factor is the ALLIANCE Chinese communists established among Mexican and Columbian drug cartels, Chinese Triads, the Chinese communist party and a few other international criminal gangs; and then there’s the factor of 35 Chinese crime bosses smuggled into the US thru Panama. All this was revealed in testimony before a Congressional committee. (http://redressone.wordpress.com/ana-pt-ii/)
For what purpose could they possibly want all this “collateral”?
Another question, “How could they do all this without full cooperation of the US government and the Federal Reserve?” They couldn’t.
By possessing all US Treasury securities owned by Red China, the FRBNY (and its puppet masters) hold the power of death over the Chinese economy.
China won’t do anything unless it has been vetted thru the FRBNY.
What did the Chinese buy those securities with? yuan or USD? Does it matter? Fiat is fiat. I don't think the Chinese give a crap about US securities other than something to wave around. If the FRBNY suddenly made all that disappear that would equate to default. Thus they could do that to any holder of US securities....which no one would want to take the risk. The banksters control very little in China. China is acquiring things such as 90% of Ecaudorian oil etc.. To think some bank in NY controls much of anything in China is to not understand China.
When All Else Fails, They Take You to War
B52s are slow targets and easy to take out. All the kleptocrats need is a reason to get the masses to agree to an all-out war so they can sit back and be entertained.
The real reason is from Ben Fulford "“A group of influential Asian banking families possesses large amounts of US government bonds, verified as genuine by the BIS, with a face value of many trillions of dollars. These bonds were issued in the 1930’s and 40’s in exchange for Asian gold evacuated to the US during those decades. They would like to cash the bonds..." Top that one.
What a slap in the face. But I bet they'll keep buying those Cali houses.
Top end realators in Southern California are in bliss! They can move overpriced and tacky giant mansions to the Chinese elites at top prices. Many are bought as an escape door to the west, should thing go south in China. Smart move, America is an open bordes nation, simply set foot on US soil and you are a protected American citizen, papers or not, you are a full citizen. Millions of liberals will fight for your rights. You have it made.
that is the supreme irony of this circular oligarchy logic : 1 trillion dollars of income, robbed by the chinese oligarch from its sheeple, all placed in RE in the WEST; like for the Ruskis or the Indonesians or the Qataris; aka Davos forever!
Which SOB of the new members of the NWO in third world would put his ILL GOTTEN gains in his own LOCAL bank???
No siree, it all ends up in Caymanista or Jersey type locations. This is why Boris of London or Bloomberg of NY proclaimed : We are land of the Oligarchs...Bitchezz! And we will stay that way!
Neo feudality Oligarchs can hang their hubristic hats on two thousand years of history; to spit on Jefferson's dream of pursuit of happiness for the common citizen meme.
Enlightenment is but a pipe dream. Now its back to aristocratic reality with a vengeance!
I just think this goes too far. It is more than about money, gold, bonds or anything. All of that means nothing when we destroy the world for such things, and if that is what it is about, japan and the west should zero the game and toss the risk/ monopoly board upside down and let the pieces fly.
Screw your no fly zone China!
As others posted earlier on, the Chinese have made public their disgust with the US dollar. Calling it an official" USA Ponzi Scheme." They have done and are looking to do oil contracts outside the dollar. Have publicly announced no desire to further their US dollar foreign currency reserves. They are buying gold as fast as they can get it in stable market conditions.
Lets add up history. Iraq tried to trade outside the dollar system. Invaded!
Libya tried to trade outside the dollar system. Bombed and invaded.
Serbia attempted to operate inside the Russian currency and economic union. Bombed and stripped of terrirtory
Iran attempting to expand it's economic trade system outside the US dollar. Under constant threat by a system of Israeli lies. The result may even be an Israeli nuclear strike. Small but world shattering.
China, moving fast to escape the dollar system that allows the US to import their consumer economy from China at cheap prices while paying in ponzi scheme dollars. The US shifts it's Naval, Air and Marine forces back to the Western Pacific in an open threat to attack Chinese interests.
Well you figure it out. Not hard is it? A direct quote from the US state department. "Any threat to the dollar as world reserve currency is a direct national security threat." That was them, not me!
So, America is facing the biggest threat since Germany conquered western Europe and Japan smashed the Pacific Fleet at Pearl Harbor.
The Dollar is the lynch pin of America's great power status. This is beyond debate. Look at the scale and scope of dollar printing! Without the printing, our consumer economy AND our military sorces would collapse, as the world would demand a hard currency earned via a trade surplus. Like Iran, to buy things they want, they must first earn dollars. It is that simple. Who would not want to throw off that yoke!
China is not Iraq, and China has a friend in Russia who is under direct threat by a NATO that moves closer every day. Large NATO forces sit a two day drive from Moscow itself. Look, the USA is playing the end game now. If China bolts the dollar, the US can not continue to threaten and lie to the world about their need for the US dollar to do all trade. We could see an epic war over the dollar, it has started already in Syria, is moving to Iran, is headed for Russia, and China knows they are on the hit list.
MIC generously provides a media distraction; it always works for them, the "schadenfreude uber alles".
Backdoor Barry ordered the planes' mission in hopes that China would kill more airmen and we would lose the aircraft.
I can believe that. I understand he is more interested in seamen.
He does like riding the black sub.
Two interpretations:
1. After Iran deal, Chicoms feel Obama is a pushover ('Paper Tiger', as they say, or 'Jimmy Carter' as we say). Perfect time to assert territorial demands.
2. Chicoms looking to curry favor with Obama. ("Look! A distraction!")
Make sure your fallout shelters are well stocked with popcorn.
All they want is iStuff and bling-bling like you.
Couldn't agree more. If China were to just shoot one down what is the US going to do about it ? This is simply stupid. Are high school kids in charge of the military now ?
they didn't detect it??
no sir no chatter at all
well crap...what do we got that they can detect?
well ...uh... sir we could send some B-52's
what are B-52's?