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Is War With China Inevitable?
Submitted by Brandon Smith of Alt-Market blog,
As a general rule, extreme economic decline is almost always followed by extreme international conflict. Sometimes, these disasters can be attributed to the human survival imperative and the desire to accumulate resources during crisis. But most often, war amid fiscal distress is usually a means for the political and financial elite to distract the masses away from their empty wallets and empty stomachs.
War galvanizes societies, usually under false pretenses. I’m not talking about superficial “police actions” or absurd crusades to “spread democracy” to Third World enclaves that don’t want it. No, I’m talking about REAL war: war that threatens the fabric of a culture, war that tumbles violently across people’s doorsteps. The reality of near-total annihilation is what oligarchs use to avoid blame for economic distress while molding nations and populations.
Because of the very predictable correlation between financial catastrophe and military conflagration, it makes quite a bit of sense for Americans today to be concerned. Never before in history has our country been so close to full-spectrum economic collapse, the kind that kills currencies and simultaneously plunges hundreds of millions of people into poverty. It is a collapse that has progressed thanks to the deliberate efforts of international financiers and central banks. It only follows that the mind-boggling scale of the situation would “require” a grand distraction to match.
It is difficult to predict what form this distraction will take and where it will begin, primarily because the elites have so many options. The Mideast is certainly an ever-looming possibility. Iran is a viable catalyst. Syria is not entirely off the table. Saudi Arabia and Israel are now essentially working together, forming a strange alliance that could promise considerable turmoil — even without the aid of the United States. Plenty of Americans still fear the Al Qaeda bogeyman, and a terrorist attack is not hard to fabricate. However, when I look at the shift of economic power and military deployment, the potential danger areas appear to be growing not only in the dry deserts of Syria and Iran, but also in the politically volatile waters of the East China Sea.
China is THE key to any outright implosion of the U.S. monetary system. Other countries, like Saudi Arabia, may play a part; but ultimately it will be China that deals the decisive blow against the dollar’s world reserve status. China’s dollar and Treasury bond holdings could be used as a weapon to trigger a global sell-off of dollar-denominated assets. China has stopped future increases of dollar forex holdings, and has cut the use of the dollar in bilateral trade agreements with multiple countries. Oil-producing nations are shifting alliances to China because it is now the world’s largest consumer of petroleum. And, China has clearly been preparing for this eventuality for years. So, given these circumstances, how can the U.S. government conceive of confrontation with the East? Challenging one’s creditors to a duel does not usually end well. At the very least, it would be economic suicide. But perhaps that is the point. Perhaps America is meant to make this seemingly idiotic leap.
Here are just some of the signs of a buildup to conflict...
Currency Wars And Shooting Wars
In March 2009, U.S. military and intelligence officials gathered to participate in a simulated war game, a hypothetical economic struggle between the United States and China.
The conclusions of the war game were ominous. The participants determined that there was no way for the United States to win in an economic battle with China. The Chinese had a counterstrategy to every U.S. effort and an ace up their sleeve – namely, their U.S. dollar reserves, which they could use as a monetary neutron bomb, a chain reaction that would result in the abandonment of the dollar by exporters around the world . They also found that China has been quietly accumulating hard assets (including land and gold) across globe, using sovereign wealth funds, government-controlled front companies, and private equity funds to make the purchases. China could use these tangible assets as a hedge to protect against the eventual devaluation of its U.S. dollar and Treasury holdings, meaning the losses on its remaining U.S. financial investments was acceptable should it decide to crush the dollar.
The natural response of those skeptical of the war game and its findings is to claim that the American military would be the ultimate trump card and probable response to a Chinese economic threat. Of course, China’s relationship with Russia suggests a possible alliance against such an action and would definitely negate the use of nuclear weapons (unless the elites plan nuclear Armageddon). That said, it is highly likely that the U.S. government would respond with military action to a Chinese dollar dump, not unlike Germany’s rise to militarization and totalitarianism after the hyperinflationary implosion of the mark. The idea that anyone except the internationalists could “win” such a venture, though, is foolish.
I would suggest that this may actually be the plan of globalists in the United States and their counterparts in Asia and Europe. China’s rise to financial prominence is not due to its economic prowess. In fact, China is ripe with poor fiscal judgment calls and infrastructure projects that have gone nowhere. But what China does have on its side are massive capital inflows from global banks and corporations, mainly based in the United States and the European Union. And, it has help in the spread of its currency (the Yuan) from entities like JPMorgan Chase and Co. The International Monetary Fund is seeking to include China in its global basket currency, the SDR, which would give China even more leverage to use in breaking the dollar’s reserve status. Corporate financiers and central bankers have made it more than possible for China to kill the dollar, which they openly suggest is a “good thing.”
Is it possible that the war game scenarios carried out by the Pentagon and elitist think-tanks like the RAND Corporation were not meant to prevent a war with China, but to ensure one takes place?
The Senkaku Islands
Every terrible war has a trigger point, an event that history books later claim “started it all.” For the Spanish-American War, it was the bombing of the USS Maine. For World War I it was the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria. For U.S. involvement in World War I, it was the sinking of the Lusitania by a German U-Boat. For U.S. involvement in World War II, it was the attack on Pearl Harbor. For Vietnam, it was the Gulf of Tonkin Incident (I recommend readers look into the hidden history behind all of these events). While the initial outbreak of war always appears to be spontaneous, the reality is that most wars are planned far in advance.
As evidence indicates, China has been deliberately positioned to levy an economic blow against the United States. Our government is fully aware what the results of that attack will be, considering they have gamed the scenario multiple times. And, by RAND Corporation’s own admission, China and the United States have been preparing for physical confrontation for some time, centered on the concept of pre-emptive strikes. Meaning, the response both sides have exclusively trained for in the event of confrontation is to attack the other first!
The seemingly simple and petty dispute over the Senkaku Islands in the East China Sea actually provides a perfect environment for the pre-emptive powder keg to explode.
China has recently declared an “air defense zone” that extends over the islands, which Japan has already claimed as its own. China, South Korea and the United States have all moved to defy this defense zone. South Korea has even extended its own air defense zone to overlap China’s.
China has responded with warnings that its military aircraft will now monitor the region and demands that other nations provide it with civilian airline flight paths. China has also stated that it plans to create MORE arbitrary defense zones in the near future.
The U.S. government under Barack Obama has long planned a military shift into the Pacific, which is meant specifically to counter China’s increased presence. It’s almost as if the White House knew a confrontation was coming.
The shift is now accelerating due to the Senkaku situation, as the U.S. transfers submarine-hunting jets to Japan while pledging full support for Japan should war ignite.
And most recently, the Japanese press has suggested that war between the two countries could erupt as early as January.
China, with its limited navy, has focused more of its energy and funding into advanced missile technologies — including “ship killers,” which fly too low and fast to be detected with current radar. This is the same strategy of cheap compact precision warfare being adopted by countries like Syria and Iran, and it is designed specifically to disrupt tradition American military tactics.
Currently, very little diplomatic headway has been made or attempted in regards to the Senkaku Islands. The culmination of various ingredients so far makes for a sour stew.
All that is required now is that one trigger event — that one ironic “twist of fate” that mainstream historians love so much, the spark that lights the fuse. China could suddenly sell a mass quantity of U.S. Treasuries, perhaps in response to the renewed debt debate next spring. The United States could use pre-emption to take down a Chinese military plane or submarine. A random missile could destroy a passenger airliner traveling through the defense zone, and both sides could blame each other. The point is nothing good could come from the escalation over Senkaku.
Why Is War Useful?
What could possibly be gained by fomenting a war between the United States and China? What could possibly be gained by throwing America's economy, the supposed "goose that lays the golden eggs", to the fiscal wolves? As stated earlier, distraction is paramount, and fear is valuable political and social capital.
Global financiers created the circumstances that have led to America’s probable economic demise, but they don’t want to be blamed for it. War provides the perfect cover for monetary collapse, and a war with China might become the cover to end all covers. The resulting fiscal damage and the terror Americans would face could be overwhelming. Activists who question the legitimacy of the U.S. government and its actions, once considered champions of free speech, could easily be labeled “treasonous” during wartime by authorities and the frightened masses. (If the government is willing to use the Internal Revenue Service against us today, just think about who it will send after us during the chaos of a losing war tomorrow.) A lockdown of civil liberties could be instituted behind the fog of this national panic.
Primarily, war tends to influence the masses to agree to more centralization, to relinquish their rights in the name of the “greater good”, and to accept less transparency in government and more power in the hands of fewer people. Most important, though, is war's usefulness as a philosophical manipulation after the dust has settled.
After nearly every war of the 20th and 21st century, the subsequent propaganda implies one message in particular: National sovereignty, or nationalism, is the cause of all our problems. The establishment then claims that there is only one solution that will solve these problems: globalization. This article by Andrew Hunter, the chairman of the Australian Fabian Society, is exactly the kind of narrative I expect to hear if conflict arises between the United States and China.
National identity and sovereignty are the scapegoats, and the Fabians (globalist propagandists) are quick to point a finger. Their assertion is that nation states should no longer exist, borders should be erased and a one-world economic system and government should be founded. Only then will war and financial strife end. Who will be in charge of this interdependent one world utopia? I’ll give you three guesses...
The Fabians, of course, make no mention of global bankers and their instigation of nearly every war and depression for the past 100 years; and these are invariably the same people that will end up in positions of authority if globalization comes to fruition. What the majority of people do not yet understand is that globalists have no loyalties to any particular country, and they are perfectly willing to sacrifice governments, economies, even entire cultures, in the pursuit of their "ideal society". "Order out of chaos" is their motto, after all. The bottom line is that a war between China and the United States will not be caused by national sovereignty. Rather, it will be caused by elitists looking for a way to END national sovereignty. That’s why such a hypothetical conflict, a conflict that has been gamed by think tanks for years, is likely to be forced into reality.
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if its war its the Falklands, the Chinese will screw up and occupy that Japanese island, and when we tell them its time to go home, they will make the same nationalist argument the Argentines made against Britain, and then its our military machine against theirs, (no nukes needed) and we kick their ass, because we have spent a ton on military, our stuff is better, and because we'll have some help from the free world. you see if China pushes this they become a pariah state, like Argentina. thats the most likely outcome, no nukes, defeat and humiliation followed by economic sanctions and financial collapse. unless they just shut up and leave it alone. but you draw the parallels
Don't overdo it this weekend. Save up. We are going to celebrate the 100th birthday of the fed reserve on Monday.
Break out your best.......
Nice post wisehiney There happens to be a sale on SWILL .
The 16th, eh?
Imagine that.
I am not sure people will want to go to war nowadays. Too informed, too educated, life is too confortable even if SHTF it will take decades to decay until people are ready to jump at each others throat for food, too many rebellious , feminized neutered homosexual sons with no father figures who care more about waiting for their parents to die so they can finaly move from the basement to the first floor than "going to war to defend the "nation". After all all they need to do to got to war and release their libido is to play video games...
And let's not forget those who go in the army are often those who cannot do anything else in the civilian society... Current generations dont give a fuck about ideals etc. They ll only move if they cant play video games and suck on mom and dad's tits.
No there wont be any conventional wars anymore.
It's going to be ethnic, class, wars everywhere tho. People killing for jobs. Famines. Oh wait, it has always been the same.
There is no doubt that a major conflict can galvinize a starving population and turn their attention away from their stomachs and wallets. I submit there is another reason why states invaribly turn to war as the ultimate solution to a failing economy: malinvestment. Not in houses or tulip bulbs or stock in Pets.com, but in people.
When a society cannot produce and distribute sufficient goods to sustain itself, there is something fundamentally wrong with that society. Ultimately, regardless of the proximate cause of its failures, the ultimate cause of its failure is the component pieces of the society itself. Thus, war is able to naturally right the wrong of a rotting society.
Unfortunately, circumstances often dictate that those culled from the herd bear the lest responsibility for the trajectory that lead to their demise. C'est la vie.
Before people go to war they need to have their refrigerators completely empty. So as long as things dont reach that point, noone is ever going to budge a finger. Then when food becomes a problem, suddenly everyone realizes that if their stomach is empty, it's "in fact because of my neighbour"...
Funny animals we are.
The only war America can win against China is by competing for the hearts and minds of the Chinese people by presenting them with Liberty while forcing their government to survive with their Yuan fairly priced, which is about 5 times what it is currently valued. The only way this Chinese government can and has survived is by enslaving 1 billion of their citizens. That is where we fight our war, by offering that billion Liberty. Of course, we must first reattain Liberty here in America before we can present it there to the Chinese people. Hasn't anyone learned how to fight a war from Reagan? Check out Liberty Trilogy under "On Liberty" at www.electanewcongress.com. Learn about Liberty, a daily operating model and system of government where the people rule over their government. We don't have that now in America, but we can. And with Liberty, no one can stand against us.... even the bankers. And don't be a sucker and buy into that "Personal Liberty" bullshit, that's a left over from the French Revolution used to sedate the greater population with a hollowed out bone. Serfs Up America!
In the end if there are still too many people and not enough jobs for everyone, a lot of people have to die one way or another so a balance and "growth" can be found again.
To restart economies there s nothing better than destroying, killing, finding, giving bullshit justifications , meanings to what you ve done. After all if someone else dies, it's more food and ressources for you. We quickly forget about the ones who died anyway. What matters is a "happy future where we all walk hand in hand in vast green prairies under the sun, holding hands whatever our skin color, smiling wide open showing off our bleeched teeth " right? Well to get there, you first have to...kill people!
War, no especially if it destroys the country. Disease, yes and just go back and look at the economic records available after the Black Death in Europe in the 13th and 14th century especially in the City of London. Not sure how well the same parallels would follow given that was an overwhelming agriculturally-based society that needed a lot of labor to produce food but the same principle should apply.
Well, they are buying Detroit, or is that the first wave?
Even if the Chinese lobbed a nuke at Las Vegas the US couldn't go to war with them. They'd sell their bonds, tank the dollar and buy up all the oil in the ME.
"Can you say papertiger?! Sure you can."
What part of the $15 trillion dollar spongification equivalent did you miss? China is the United States on over drive!
China knows that exports are toast! China knows that imports need to be cheap! (hense the strong yuan/usd exchange rate)
No one is going to lobe nukes at anyone. Rich chinese , rich americans, rich europeans, rich arabs, rich russians, rich australians , rich japanese, have no interest in destroying the earth, as they wouldnt be able to be rich and above everyone else in their respective countries anymore.
I see a slow but steep economic delcine worlwide that will cost the lives of many due to famines until a new balance is automatically found. But no conventional wars. We will also probably develop planned lives before birth and design offspring even better before they re even born in order to make sure they ll have a job and a happy life.
This one's pretty stupid to ponder, even for Brandon Smith.
Somebody should explain to him that the US has no way to finance a war with China, so unless you believe China's going to lend us the money and make the electronics for us, you can scratch this one off your list of things to fret about.
The US is a kleptocracy. Which means it's in the process of destroting itself, and you never interfere with an enemy while he’s in the process of destroying himself.
well noone is destroying himself... riches will be riches, and poor will be poor. It's just that riches are going to unplug the cable cause they have no other choice at some point. Then the poor will be even poorer, will kill each others trying to insure their survival, until a new balance is found. Then people from "down below" will do their best to... rise in the ladder. Again. Over, and over, and over, again.
BTW what if suddenly, the yelowstone supervolcano goes off and render three quarters of the north american territory, canada included, inhabitable?
MM I see your point but Rothschilds have financed both sides of every war for the last 200 years and you forget that TPTB would be making uber big bucks off that war all the way around. Thats too much money left on the table for them not to play.
I think your missing the point that Rothschilds have nothing to offer China. They had a good run, but its over for them. It's China's (or maybe the Muslim world's) turn to have secret societies that are the power behind the thrown and so on. They don't need the Rothschilds to explain it to them.
A country's power comes from the ability of its working class to drive meaningful innovations and produce material goods. We can't even keep the lights on at the Super Bowl.
MM Who do you think it was that just spent the last decade building China into what it is today? Rothschild banks. If we live to see the day Rothschild run is over , it would be the begining of better days for the goy......I wish you were right.
You give these charlatans credit they simply don't deserve. The notion of solidarity that has been completely destroyed in the west still exists in China and the Muslim world. They don't have any magical powers. What they HAD was loyalty in countries that could produce better weapons and weren't afraid to fight.
Now they control countries that can't produce jack shit and are afraid to get on an airplane without letting a TSA agent feel their wife's tits.
They do not and never will control China.
They do not and never will control the Muslim world.
If you still want to fear them, be my guest, but they're about as powerful in China as Imelda Marcos is in New York.
Understand that the position they enjoyed was being able to force countries to honor their debts, lest they finance other countries to attack them. China can stiff them and there's nothing they can do about.
Do you have any stats on how much they control in China?
Please don't be one of those guys who believes "They control EVERYTHING, man!" Nobody controls everything.
Nice to see you, good points.
The only catch is old alliances, and all that Treasury debt.
But yes, the Chinese will flex and threaten but not take action as long as we are buying all their crap and flooding the world economy with debt fueled consumption.
Hi EB
To my knowledge, not once has China ever confirmed/denied how much US debt they hold. It could be much lower than we think, but either way the Chinese have to already know that we are incapable of repaying them.
Yeah, but China and Russia are kleptocracies too.
When everyone is destroying themselves... Who wins?
You can call them kleptocracies if you want, but their Trade Surpluses tell me they've got their priorities straight
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/russia/balance-of-trade
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/china/balance-of-trade
Unlike some other banana republics I know:
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/balance-of-trade
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/japan/balance-of-trade
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/balance-of-trade
You trust the books of anyone these days?
Really?
Wow. That's the lamest comment I've seen on ZH in quite some time.
Are you suggesting that China and Russia don't run trade surpluses?
Or that the US, England and Japan do?
Feel free to expand on whatever your point was.
Those links only work for so long. Fight club !
Know this: when son of Tesla and Eistein came this way, with respect to his betters, he looked at what you did with his father's works and he held his secrets and fled away from you.
Ayn Rand
The Tar Baby. America has had an oversupply of eager but stupid Br'er Rabbits (think of the last two and a half decades' of White House occupants) -- easily offended, impervious to reason, arrogantly lashing out without thinking of the consequences -- and then having the nerve to increase the rate of tax plunder to finance more of the same.
"Is war with China inevitable?"
Well, yes, but only after the bankers and corporations have tried everything else to milk the middle class and the working class of both countries.
Think of banks and corporations as the new Emperors, Despots, Dictators, Kings, Queens, Royal Families, and Presidents of bygone days; they go along to get along and screw their peasants, serfs, and "huddled masses yearning to breath free" over until the SHTF then they must stoke nationalism and send off the young to die in pointless wars rather than revolt and topple the corrupt leadership.
This means Jamie Dimon and Lloyd Blankfein and most of Government and Industry need to hang or your kids will be dying for them next war as well as the present ones.
This has nothing to do with politics; do you get it yet folks?
There are no conspiracies per se, only individuals all fighting for their own survival and trying to backstab each others in the process, at all level, from the bottom to the top of the pyramid. Ok, maybe people who think alike ally together, but no alliance is eternal and interests are always changing, alliances broken and new ones are made etc. Life forms spawned into the game of life have no other purpose but to adapt to the ever changing environment and conditioning they never really choose to be exposed to.
Fact is the whole process of life is random, blind and absurd. We just have to adapt to survive, hoping that tomorow we will be able to have some fun thru various activities like eating, having sex, watching tv, beating someone else etc. That's what keeps us all alive. The carrot tomorow that justify being beaten with a stick today.
Fractal Bitchez!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandelbrot_set
And our only hope for the future is that one day maybe we ll be able to carry the stick and beat up others instead of being beaten by them.
The US Military is in shambles. The country has been under heavy attack from the globalists since 2000. Infrastructure has been left to deteriorate. The FED has bankrupted the US and the politicians work for foreign banks and corporations. The State Department is being run by a drug racketeer.
I'm buying Chinese and Russian flags for when they march into Pittsburgh. Of course I'll give em a dose of Terrible Towel on the sly but unless Satoshi's evil twin is the man with the plan in the basement of Area 51, we are fucked.
q99x2 The State Department and the military have been run by drug racketeers for a very long time............Vietnam was one big drug running operation out of the golden triangle. The Fed bankrupted the US a long time ago, we have had nothing but a facade since I can remember. I do like your plan to have both Chinese and Russian flags.......only a fool would stick their necks out for this bankster bullshit. But keep Old Glory safe for when we are victorious.
There are 500,000 Baltimorons who will join the march on that shithole and shoot every piss yellow flag waiver.
Sooner.
I think the U.S. has been trying to re-establish the cold war, and looking for some one to step into the role formerly played by the USSR. The PRC would be the obvious candidate.
When the war with China breaks out, all Chinese Americans will be welcomed by our benevolent FEMA camps, aka American Gulags.
For fucks sake, China is like a giant snail/slug crawling across your garden! It consumes everything and excretes floaties!
Me so dum? https://www.google.com/search?q=pictures+of+chinese+wearing+swimsuits&cl...
GAHHH!
Chinese are stealing our Wimmens...
http://www.24tanzania.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/6a45a-operated-by-a...
The Chinese approach to conflict is very different to that in the west. They move to take power by making themselves indispensible rather than by full out attack. With this in mind it appears they have already defeated America. Earlier this year when the 10 yr bond rate doubled in a few months, it appears the big US Banks were taken down, collectively losing tems of Trillions. While China has not owned up to doing this, they are almost certainly behind it. Then what seems to have happened is that a deal was reached to keep what happened secret. The US helped China to unwind its massive USD holdings, partly by keeping PM prices down and China kept quiet that the US was economically wrecked. What has followed that is consistent with this having occurred has been a sudden change Obamas approach, from a warmonger to doing a deal with Iran and China becoming more aggresssive, since it now has control. All sides know that any sort of conflict will likely go nucleaar and destroy the planet so the military option is really problematic, as there can be no winner.
A real conventional war with China would require sizeable allies in various ways, if it were to be carried on for more than a week. Regardless of winning, losing or just chest thumping being the goal. Winning a conventional war would be unlikely in so many ways, even if there was a purely military victory. Think Iraq, Afghanistan, et all times 100. I do believe everyone in the world is at war. A war of attrition. Who, if anyone, will be left standing after we are all done shooting ourselves and each other in the feet. We really need to fight and win the war on stupidity. That is what is going to kill us. And we will desrve it.
We are at the origin of wars. If we want to end wars, we have to terminate ourselves. As long as men exist, there will be wars. If all humans die, no more wars...between "humans" at least.
The only way man could survive eternally is if only ONE man without any competition remains while everyone else die.
Yes, God.
the way to eliminate wars is to instill a genuine love for information, learning, and education back into a society.
Until then, "humans" will kill one another.
lol...knowledge, intelligence are only tools to dominate others...grow the fuck up. Everything that exists is only a tool to dominate others.
Well, you speak clearly as to where you are coming from. Glad I am not in your family :-(
Nothing makes sense. Life is a cruel butchery that always "makes sense" to everyone until they re about to die.
No.
In 1241 when the Mongol Ilkhanate had devastated Persia and were at the gates of Baghdad, while the Mongol Golden- Blue and White hordes having also devasted Russia (Vladimir kingdom) were at the gates of Vienna, the Mongol leader Batu Khan, grandson of Genghis, head of what would become the Golden Horde, wrote to Frederick II Holy Roman Emperor and leader of the Teutonic Order that stood in front of his innumerable Army.
He said to Roman Emperor : You have seen what I have done to Russia, I ask you to bend knee and save the lives of your own people by giving me the keys to Vienna.
The Emperor replied : I don't doubt your mastery of war and I would very much like to be a falconer in your Empire as that is my true passion. But there is a slight problem : My knights would rather die than surrender to you.
So they matched up in front of Vienna. And then the news arrived that Genghis's son Ogodei Khan had died in Karakorum and the Golden Horde retreated to Lake Caspian abandoning Vienna and BAtu tried to save his hold on his armies while the clan chose a new Khan of Khans.
I think that after the meltdown we will have a similar situation. There will be a Potus/Mutti type western alliance that will try and avoid war with the new Mongols.
Falconery anyone? Falconery on the Net today is derivative Fukkery!
Finally, maybe the greatest genius in the world was Oppenheimer; he left us an awesome toy that scares the shits out of the sociopaths that govern us as they don't want MAD, preferring new falconery. It obliges them to spend their sociopathic urges in financial fukkery of the plebes (which makes them filthy rich also) !
But, it won't stop them from doing their regional asymmetric wars for RM just like the Templars and Mongols of old.
On a side but related issue : When you come to think of it one question that I have always asked myself was HOW DID the DRUG Cartels of the World get a stronghold on the First world consumer economies. And WHY?
And then I remembered what a Canadian Banker said to me in 1979 when the world was on the brink of financial meltdown and Volcker made his huge deflationary play. He said : Our banks have been recycling petrodollars hand over fist to the Latin South American economies for years since 1973. We have pushed so much debt on to the Brazilians, Colombians and Mexicans its coming out of their ears! This will not end well.
It didn't as we all know, those south American countries went belly up; Brazil and Argentina like Chile were in militarista turmoil thru repeated financial crises from debt guzzling of their fledgling economies. Venezuela and Colombia were rampant with guerilla populist militia legacy of Che Guevara revolt.
And, the money got channeled to the Cartels to produce their shit in Medelin and Noreiga type plays, ALL supported by the CIa and anti commie fronts. Easy banksta money talked to fight Contra wars and it fed the "white powder" plague to come haunt the rich and fat in their first world playgrounds.
Then twenty years later the CIA/NWO alliance of Pax Americana hegemony played the same game in Pak/Afghan; which had already started in Nam buildup days thanks to Air America type junkets; now blossoming bigtime with Ben Laden chase!
Falconery ...was poetry...whereas white powder economy, both drug and derivative types, is death of Pompey's civilization.
Play on mad Sisyphus cannibalism !
And...don't point at convenient bogeymen : Fabian type effetes, they are just new falconers.
The real hawks, those who act like predatory birds of humanity's flesh, are of the breed of the Caesars; not that of the Seneca and Cicero, thinkers and men of ethics. Looking to see the evil in Shamans is sooo convenient when the truth is staring you in the face !
Good old Oppenheimer made my generation the first in my family since the origin of Anglo Saxons that were not required to go to war. MAD worked out well for us. I did indicate on my Selective Service registration that I would volunteer in time of war (young, dumb and full of come), but I have always been thankful that I did not have to. We do not have much of a future, but the living can be good now if we choose.
Missiles that fly through the air, even really fast ones, are relatively easy to deal with.
Missiles that fly underwater are not... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shkval
"But ultimately, the reason for this unusual booming was the exact opposite. It happened due to the massive exercise of political power, from an elite thousand miles away. The Chinese government kept the exchange rate of the country at a low level. Therefore, the Chinese products became cheap and flooded America. And to pay for them, the US dollars flooded China. But rather than spend this money for the population, the Chinese leaders loaned them immediately back to America by buying government bonds. It was a perfect system of cheap goods and cheap money inflow in the US, all controlled by the Chinese political power. And that’s what created stability. From this, came an orgy of lending from banks to even most unreliable borrowers in the US. Although this time, the deregulated market had been stabilized thanks to the political intervention of China, the bankers wanted to make more money."
http://failedevolution.blogspot.gr/2012/07/the-illusion-of-self-regulati...
Best anti-war scene evah.
Stay in the rear with the gear.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Csv1wXOr5tY
"Crapgame" has got your rear covered.
hopefully with Putins help we can stop the aggressors (McCain, Kerry, etc) again.
TD, you are a man of wisdom.
Let's be clear. The title of the article should be
Is War Between the government of China and the Government of the US Inevitable?
I have no complaints about a random peasant half way around the world. Why the governments think I should go and fight because they want me to is beyond my comprehension.
Amen
+100) first drop leaflets, ordinary people who do not resist will not be harmed. then target the leadership
If we go to war with China, who are we going to use for logistics? Big Brown?
Today we are at war with EastAsia... we have always been at war with EastAsia and never, as has been alleged by those with longer attention spans, with Eurasia.
China is killing the planet. We should therefore kill China. Even the green tree-huggers will want war. There's just too damn many of them. We need to cut back.
"but ultimately it will be China that deals the decisive blow against the dollar’s world reserve status"
It wasn't China that sent all those American factories to China. It wasn't China that instituted ZIRP and QE in the U.S.
No, that was the prep work done so that China can deliver the decisive blow. Get it?
War galvanizes societies, usually under false pretenses.
Not under the leadership of Hussien Obama. Most liberals I know think he is a clown, most conservaties think he is a disgrace. He has no credibility, or does Clinton, game of the false flag is over in America, no one believes anything this goverment says or does!
"Not under the leadership of Hussien Obama. Most liberals I know think he is a clown, most conservaties think he is a disgrace. He has no credibility, or does Clinton, game of the false flag is over in America, no one believes anything this goverment says or does!"
I idon't find any of the politicians to be credible any more. They are all gaming the American people.
Yet he still won TWICE. Sheeple done luv them EBTs
"That said, it is highly likely that the U.S. government would respond with military action to a Chinese dollar dump, not unlike Germany’s rise to militarization and totalitarianism after the hyperinflationary implosion of the mark."
ZIRP and QE are destroying the value of the dollar.
The blood will be on the FED's hands, if Americans are killed in a war
"Global financiers created the circumstances that have led to America’s probable economic demise, but they don’t want to be blamed for it."
This time let's put the blame where it really belongs.
"War provides the perfect cover for monetary collapse, and a war with China might become the cover to end all covers."
The bankers should not be allowed to murder Americans.
Think about it this way. There is global overcapacity in every manufacturing industry, and most of it is in China. Depressions are caused by excessive debt combined with overcapacity. China has to maintain its overcapacity in order to maintain employment, unless there is a major war. World War is a great way of destroying the overcapacity and pressing young men into service for something other than civilian work.
So have all those idiot CEOs who received multi-million dollar compensation packages for outsourcing their production to China realized that they have given the productive capacities of the West to the enemy yet? Have the shareholders in these companies realized yet that they are holding little pieces of paper and that the real owner of the company is The People´s Republic of China... lol... and you think that the USD is backed by nothing... what are shares of Apple backed by? the full faith and credibility of the Chinese government?
China is like the ragheads, not many amphibious landing craft.
War would not be good. China would cut us off from money and endless cargo ships full of plastic junk to amuse ourselves with and the USA would stop all food exports and blackmail the world into supporting us through humanitarian extortion. I feel a hot war with China would produce a great many unintended victims of circumstance.
War is the health of the corrupt State. War is always good for someone. Follow the money.
War comes, you can find me running loaded down out of the back door of the Getty headed toward Marina Del Rey. Then to a plastic surgeon for some alien eyes and buck teeth. I have no faith that mercenaries that work for globalists are going to protect anything in the US except for their next paycheck. They know their bosses are psychopatic traitors that kiss bankster ass.
This article's scenario is stark, scary and quite likely. This will be our future if we don't stop it; I do not believe that Amerikans are politically aware enough to do a damned thing about it. We are too distracted - purposefully - by our Iphones and other electronic gadgets to see farther down the road than .2 miles. Our government has doomed us to this on purpose and the train is just chugging along to the ultimate scenario(s) as stated in the above article. This SUCKS!!!
Obama got shit scared to go attack Syria, and rightly so. Now you want us to believe he will go wage a war with China & that means also Russia- a 3rd world war ?? Hahahhaha ???
What's going to be left for the elites to control if nukes are used to full potential? Could the really contain that catostrophe?
In the New Normal, war is not on the menu it IS the menu
Malthus meets Chairman Mao.
US Secret Weapon. Export Gay Marriage to China. Put all that excess male population into caring relationships. And then, who needs a one child policy.
The happy couples can then consume, consume, consume. In style.
The great American export dream is consummated!
"Who authorized preparations for *'War-with-China'?"
ANYBODY?!?
*The AirSea Battle {(ASB (A2/AD)} --- 6/12/13 by Amstai Etzioni via 'Yale Journal' http://yalejournal.org/
http://yalejournal.org/2013/06/12/who-authorized-preparations-for-war-with-china/
Young MC - Bust A Move
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xy4FXhkm6Nw (4:28)
Article is plausible, even more so when one supposes played out over more decades than implied. Needs to consider that CCP & RF are at greater risk than USA. Great pity that there are so many juvenile postings ((
How are China and the Russian Federation "at greater risk" than America?
China produces a LOT of things that are sold Globally (not just in the USA), so there are a LOT of Countries out there who would HAVE to back China from a purely economic necessity viewpoint. Try contacting any "US Bearing Supplier" and find out just where they buy their bearings from, e.g. Boca Bearings . . . . .
The Russian Federation has already made very significant progress in developing the Siberian area, and has many well established plans for further technologically-led development (e.g. their Nuclear Train project - train during the summer, transportable Nuclear Power Station during the winter).
Those running these Countries are far from stupid, and both Counties have a very long track record of strategic planning excellence.
... and war-game together, have a shared commie history with no problem slaughtering millions, with a core philosophy of world dominance - easily suited to/for use by the divide-&-conquer earth-bound overlord. Chaa, as if the opium wars ever ended.
"Is War With China Inevitable?"
I don't think it's "inevitable", but war between the US govt and Chinese govt is probably unavoidable given that virtually all politicians are fully-blown psychopaths and will stop at nothing to stay in power and hide their criminality.
Israel and the Saudis have a common Khazarian ancestry, so no surprise. Add puppet master hegemony and factions 1-? begin to pop up out of the wood work, still no surprise. Pike's 3rd world war . .. "su plize round eyes."
I think that the globalist elites own all the Chinese asses as well as all our asses. This drama is just Kubuki theater to distract us from our semi-voluntary frogmarch into the abattoir. You think the globalist elite are so stupid as to send most of western industry to China and leave us a hollow shell if they didn't own China as well? They planned this a 100 years ago. It's all bullshit. The Warburgs, right hand of the Rothschilds, gave Trotsky $20 million in gold bullion in NYC in 1917 to hand to Lenin and finance the Russian revolution. Bartender, time for red pills all around.
It takes two to tango; there are better ways to win without cheating. Real winners know this, losers never.
obama the weak is the perfect representant of the current weak america. Lost, unfaithful, corrupt, not believing in itself anymore, just like old dying europe. North americans will be replaced by latinos anyway as they reproduce faster, and europeans will be replaced by muslims while russians will be replaced by muslims and chinese. Autralia and whole asia will become chinese.
Christian are wimps and became atheists . They re not stopping reproducing and getting replaced everywhere on the planet.It is not the right belief. Jews were right.
Christ is not the messiah. He s a non violent wimp, and just like peaceful buddhists he is not the truth. A religion, belief system that doesnt defend itself is doomed to be destroyed. It's in an animal reality.
Jews are God's people. Everyone else will be removed.
The messiah hasnt come yet.
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