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Ron Paul On Iraq Part 2: "The ‘Liberation’ Neocons Would Rather Forget"
From Ron Paul
Iraq: The ‘Liberation’ Neocons Would Rather Forget
Remember Fallujah? Shortly after the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the US military fired on unarmed protestors, killing as many as 20 and wounding dozens. In retaliation, local Iraqis attacked a convoy of US military contractors, killing four. The US then launched a full attack on Fallujah to regain control, which left perhaps 700 Iraqis dead and the city virtually destroyed.
According to press reports last weekend, Fallujah is now under the control of al-Qaeda affiliates. The Anbar province, where Fallujah is located, is under siege by al-Qaeda. During the 2007 “surge,” more than 1,000 US troops were killed “pacifying” the Anbar province. Although al-Qaeda was not in Iraq before the US invasion, it is now conducting its own surge in Anbar.
For Iraq, the US “liberation” is proving far worse than the authoritarianism of Saddam Hussein, and it keeps getting worse. Last year was Iraq’s deadliest in five years. In 2013, fighting and bomb blasts claimed the lives of 7,818 civilians and 1,050 members of the security forces. In December alone nearly a thousand people were killed.
I remember sitting through many hearings in the House International Relations Committee praising the “surge,” which we were told secured a US victory in Iraq. They also praised the so-called “Awakening,” which was really an agreement by insurgents to stop fighting in exchange for US dollars. I always wondered what would happen when those dollars stopped coming.
Where are the surge and awakening cheerleaders now?
One of them, Richard Perle, was interviewed last year on NPR and asked whether the Iraq invasion that he pushed was worth it. He replied:
I've got to say I think that is not a reasonable question. What we did at the time was done in the belief that it was necessary to protect this nation. You can't a decade later go back and say, well, we shouldn't have done that.
Many of us were saying all along that we shouldn’t have done that – before we did it. Unfortunately the Bush Administration took the advice of the neocons pushing for war and promising it would be a “cakewalk.” We continue to see the results of that terrible mistake, and it is only getting worse.
Last month the US shipped nearly a hundred air-to-ground missiles to the Iraqi air force to help combat the surging al-Qaeda. Ironically, the same al-Qaeda groups the US is helping the Iraqis combat are benefiting from the US covert and overt war to overthrow Assad next door in Syria. Why can’t the US government learn from its mistakes?
The neocons may be on the run from their earlier positions on Iraq, but that does not mean they have given up. They were the ones pushing for an attack on Syria this summer. Thankfully they were not successful. They are now making every effort to derail President Obama’s efforts to negotiate with the Iranians. Just last week William Kristol urged Israel to attack Iran with the hope we would then get involved. Neoconservative Senators from both parties recently introduced the Nuclear Weapon Free Iran Act of 2013, which would also bring us back on war-footing with Iran.
Next time the neocons tell us we must attack, just think “Iraq.”
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Meh. Ralph Nader is kind of a whiny douche.
Ron Paul = Clarity = the greatest President America never had.....for the hundredth time said. and I will keep saying it.
Why would anyone expect a different result in Iraq when we fought the war with the idea of not upsetting anyone by killing too many people. If you make a commitment to go to war it should be the last resort and you should go into the fight with no holes barred leaving no doubt who won in the end. We did nearly the opposite and as Obama came into office he made it his goal to signal he didn't care what the results were we were leaving. In the years ahead people have postulated that this will be president Obamas worst foreign policy mistake. Time will tell as he's had several. The Sunni vs Shia jihad will go on and on whether AlQada is a named influence or not and it has been this way for centuries in Iraq and other parts of the ME.
"If you make a commitment to go to war it should be the last resort and you should go into the fight with no holes barred leaving no doubt who won in the end."
Rah, rah...
How the fuck do you define "win?"
The US did exactly what it intended to do. It toppled Saddam and liberated the oil.
"We did nearly the opposite and as Obama came into office he made it his goal to signal he didn't care what the results were we were leaving."
Who the fuck is "we?"
How about the fact the overwhelming majority of US citizens no longer were behind the "war?" or that the oil is taken care of?
Another fucking Party Pussy...
The USA hasn't won a war since WWII, and that was only cuz the GERMANS LOST, but the NAZI's won.
Today every single fascist uptopian IDEAL that HITLER's brain-team could imagine for their post WWII NAZI paradise was documented, and captured by OSS(CIA) INTEL post WWII, and in 1948 the US MIL-GOV implemented every fucking ASPECT of HILTER "NEW WORLD ORDER"
We haven't BEEN in an actual war since WWII. Name one. War on Drugs don't count. War on Poverty don't count.
Look it up. The list of actual declared wars are:
1812, Mex-Am War, Span-Am War, WWI, WWII.
The rest are all military engagements or UN-mandated peacekeeping operations. You can't win a war when it isn't declared. Pretty much everything we do now is political war, not real war. And that's why we lose. When total victory is not an option, you can't win. You only win when you've destroyed your enemy completely and his willpower to fight on. We've never done that since WWII. Everyone we've fought since WWII has figured out we had one or both arms tied behind our backs and we would eventually leave if it was long enough, expensive enough, or costly enough in terms of lives. Will is what makes victory.
Dirty Wars:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSN4TJ-4ePc
Nice one Jeremy Scahill, let's see if your car hits a tree and explodes now.
I bet the Gestap... er.... JSOC would be terribly sad if you had an unfortunate accident like Michael Hastings did.
The only thing getting liberated is Iraqi oil.
And that was the intent!
Osama bin Laden was a CIA operative in a key area for western control of an oil pipeline*. Ground work done. Saddam wasn't going along with his masters anymore and the goal of vast sums of Iraqi oil being readily manipulated on the "open market" was seen slipping through the hands of the masters. Saddam gone. Oil flowing through western-controlled hands. Ground work done.
Let the oil flow!
* Keep in mind that the Taliban were negotiating the oil pipeline deal as late as the summer of 2001, even having travelled to Texas, where they were told to take the offer of be bombed back to the stone age. I'm sure that the essence of this was taken up in Dick Cheney's energy meetings but, sadly, we cannot see what went on in them because, well, not important I'm sure...
Well there is your problem, you are operating under the assumption these are mistakes...
Yep, of course 99% of ZH comments are SNIDE rhetoric, but its always good to go along, with the education process.
Yes, there are no mistakes.
Back in the 1880's portable energy (OIL) was recognized as the most important discovery ever. From a MILITARY point of view, he who controls the OIL, controls the world.
WWI,WWII,VIETNAM,...IRAQ,LIBYA... OIL, pray tell children here might ask VIETNAM OIL? That was what the PENTAGON PAPERS were all about, ... read them. They were the SNOWDEN doc's in their time.
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The USA is NOT a democracy, there was a MIL COUP back in 1948, and every since the CIA/NSA run's this country, and the CIVILIAN government is all for show, that's why it don't matter who the fuck is elected.
If I recall correctly in the book "Haliburton Army" (something like that) there was a chapter about the occupation, rushing to secure the oil ministry, converting petro-euros back to petro-dollars, and how the US army let a bunch of retards control the loading of oil tankers. Every day the tards would get a list of the ships to fill (which were already waiting), they did not bother with actually keeping track of the ship's names, they just hooked up the lines filled em up. They guessed how many barrels were loaded by reading the numbers on the side of the ship. When the soldiers were questioned by congress they could not understand basic math and did not even know how many gallons were in a barrel. Talk about plunder.
My old man used to tell a story about NORMANDY, he was on that invasion, and he always told me that once he hit the ground, his team was sent to a USA owned oil refinery, where they he stayed, essentially his view of WWII was securing USA oil interests.
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Smedly Butler ( most decorated US Marine in history ) in 1933 said "ALL WAR IS A RACKET", it went without saying that it was an "OIL RACKET", as 'racket' meant business back in the day.
It's always about oil:
Robert Newman's History of Oil (45 minutes):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DCwafIntj0
Nasty problem with training and equipping Al Qaeda rebels in Syria is that they don't always stay in the place the US wants them to. I have little doubt that some of them have slipped into Iraq with US equipment - and it sounds like they are doing pretty well.
Prior to 9/11, Al Qaeda was in:
Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Yemen, Somalia, Phillipines, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Nigeria, Syria, Thailand, Indonesia, Germany, Arizona, New York, Minnesota, Miami.....
But not Iraq?
Get the fuck out.
Al Qaeda = "the group"
invent "the group" ... then prosecute it
good times
In Persian "Al Queda" means the "The Base"
It was term coined by Osama-Bin-Laden back in 1986 when he was on Ronald Rayguns 'CIA' payroll, at that time Raygun called MUJAHDEEN the "moral equivalent of the USA founding fathers"
That statement by RAYGUN right there should have been enough proof for anyone that the 'founding fathers' of AMERICA were assholes.
"Al Queda" to the entire ARAB/PERSIAN world, means the "THE BASE, CIA"
"AL QUEDA" [ cia base ], was financed in AFGHAN to bring down the RUSSIAN occupation.
Later, like NORIEGA, Osama Bin Laden got out of control, ... and he had to be SILENCED ( Murdered ).
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USA trained Engineer Osama-Bin-Laden was always the FINANCE manager for running stinger missiles to Afghan, and Central-America Cocaine to Mena-Arkansas (CLINTON). Cocaine money BUY stingers, ...
Stingers brought down the RUSSIAN helicopters, today the CIA/NSA doesn't need to finance their wars with DRUG money, as they like the FED can create their own USD. Two branchs of GOV now, and both print USD.
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Most interesting is it was not the stringers that brought russia down, it was the afghan 'black widow' that would sexually mutilate russian troops.
Stack em. Pack em. And Rack em.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJv69QOq6xI
You must mean Arabic. Which is not the same language as Farsi.
No, it was the stingers. Their MI24s couldn't cruise the valleys anymore and their planes had to fly at high altitude, reducing their effectiveness. Try reading legitimate books about the war some time.
While effective low-level surface to air weaponry, the Stingers didn't have that large of an impact. For starters, there were never very many of them in-country.
The Soviets lost the war on the ground, not in the air.
The few that were in Iraq or Iran were hunted down mercilessly. Sunni jihadists multiplied exponentially after the war, which was not an unforseen circumstance.
If you think that Al Qaeda in Iraq pre the war was anything like it has become, you are a goddamned moron.
The fuck you can't you asshole. You just don't want to look bad when recognizing one's mistakes and learning from them is healthy. You can come back a decade later and say "gee, that caused more harm than good." I hope you wind up with a prolapsed colon.
I would encourage you all to read this book:
http://www.amazon.com/American-Amnesia-Congress-Surrenders-Cambodia-ebook/dp/B0043D2CF6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1388976421&sr=8-1&keywords=american+amnesia
It will show you what Obama and his gang are up to in Iraq. Long story short...if you think the war is wrong, you make it self fulfilling by undermining it.
Does anyone have a count of how many israeli soldiers have died while fighting in Iraq?
Let's see one Israeli life is worth 1,000 USA 'persons', ... so that means what 5 Israelis might have died in Iraq?
I love how the criminals in charge (MIL-GOV) call PERPS 'persons', note that Alexander told Vermont Senator "Your only a person, of course we spy on you"
Remember in MIL-GOV everyone is the ENEMY until proven otherwise.
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Regarding BIG-OIL and secret GOV I have always said
CIA AIN'T CHRISTIAN
MOSSAD AIN'T JEWISH
Both CIA/MOSSAD are fronts for BIG-OIL, aka NSA/CIA/IMF.
Personally, I never bought what any of these yokels were selling.
"I've got to say I think that is not a reasonable question. What we did at the time was done in the belief that it was necessary to protect this nation. You can't a decade later go back and say, well, we shouldn't have done that"
Saddam never made any threat in the wake of 9/11. The WMD threat was a false narrative by those who wanted to invade Iraq even before 9/11 occurred. It was never necessary to invade Iraq in order to protect this nation.
The sanctions were set to run out and the U.S. wouldn't have been able to make the case to extend them (I'm sure that it was trying).
i'm sorry i'm so forgetful, i thought there was zero al-qaeda in Iraq, and now the news is telling me they were there all along, and we were fighting them. [now they're back with our money]
Obviously SAURON is trying to take your minds off something, ... why go back to IRAQ.
At issue was FALLUJA, and now its in the hands of ANTI-USA, ... seems fitting as we killed every male child in FALLUJA, and then 10 years later the town hates the USA ( puppet IRAQ gov ).
Ron Paul is telling your there were no Al-QUEDA yesterday, but today FALLUJA is full of them, what the fuck do you call those 10's of 1,000's that were murdered 10+ years ago? I can recall that when they hung the HALIBURTON(USA) corpses from the bridge they were saying that FALLUJA was where the 911 attack was planned.
It's all cheap political BULLSHIT.
You want to know the real about this story, read the article last week written by Ralph Nader to GW-BUSH, it tells all, but ZH will never let you see that letter.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ralph-nader/letter-to-george-w-bush_b_4537...
Fuck Haliburten read Jamie Leigh Jones,
On the other hand it was Blackwater hanging from the bridge (now a Monsanto subsidiary) Fuck them both.
also these days "The troops pull aside men of military age for an iris scan and thumbprint, building a computer database of potential insurgents."
Fucking Iris scans, no probable cause. Fuck the DoD
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A64292-2005Apr18.html
Thanks Sensei me get my blackwater and halliburton confused, so many mercs on uncle-sam-nazi payroll, so few good humans,
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largely this story is about FALLUJA, the reason is that MSM is now asserting that FALLUJA is under al-queda(CIA BASE) control, but what would one expect, I mean these people have memorys, and after the blackwater men were hung from the bridge the US marines went into falluja and killed every male child over 5 years old, and to expect anything other than this is insane,
Probably the most insane of course is that FALLUJA allows the CIA to be their new resistance leader to the USA,... that is the biggest hoax of all here, that the CIA/NSA is running both sides of the war for all teams worldwide
In summary this story should be called a WIN, cuz it means if true that FALLUJA is now in AL-QUEDA control, it means its in CIA control.
I don't believe any of this, what I believe is truth, and the truth is these people are hurting cuz their children were murdered in MASS 10+ years ago, and they HATE the USA, and that is a fact, who gives a fuck what label you put on them.
Ten years later is IRAQ happy post invasion?
Do you know anything, seriously, about Ron Paul regarding his stance on the Iraq war? You comment is an incoherent mess, so it's hard to know what point you think you are making in any event.
Do you have any sort of argument you can buttress with evidence, or are you one of those guys who has delusions of intellectual adequacy and a kind of self-inflicted persecution complex, because no one can see the simple truth quite like you, and all of us are deluded simpletons?
More simply put - you appear to be a cunt.
How's that working out for you?
A week ago Ralph Nader wrote an open letter to GW-BUSH about this exact issue, and Nader's paper dealt with the facts on the Ground of Bush' post invasion IRAQ 10+ years later.
What I see here is RON PAUL, taking a few of Nader's points and repackaging them for RINO's
Let's remember that NADER hates DEMS's and PUG's, but that RP is a PUG.
This article is a weak attempt to cover up NEOCON failure, and RP is a neo-con lite, just like GW-BUSH.
Ron Paul, whatever you perceive as his flaws {hey no one is above criticism, even the best candidate this country has had in a generation} is light years away from being a neoconservative.
You simply don't know what you're talking about.
Richard Perle is a spy for Israel, traitor and warmonger who should have been put in front of a wall with a blindfold and cigarette well before he helped fabricate evidence to lie the US into Iraq for Israel's perceived benefit.
http://www.thornwalker.com/ditch1/snieg_oilwar.htm
http://stopaipac.org/mw_excerpt.htm
The evidence of course, suggests oil supply was limited, and returned to being sold only in dollars. The fields weren't privatised, and the biggest beneficiary has been China - strange if your strategy is American-centric.
"Oil" has largely served to obfuscate the role the Israel Firster crowd played. Many people think that the role of the Israel Lobby and {Likudnik} neocons is over-stated, or even racist - merely for pointing out the facts.
http://truth-out.org/news/item/15447-dont-blame-the-iraq-debacle-on-the-...
But, to take the link above for example, it talks about the 2000 PNAC report Rebuilding America’s Defenses yet conveniently fails to note that these neocons, in their earlier "Clean Break" paper, argue for the same things for different reasons - explicitly mentioning Israel's security. They simply repackaged their arguments. And it was they who were writing the articles and selling the 'mushroom cloud' meme. Iraq posed no threat to the US.
It's helpful to distinguish genuine neoconservatives from the warhawk corporatism of Cheney and Bush:
http://www.voltairenet.org/article178638.html
"The recommendations to the Israeli government to sabotage the peace process in Palestine are presented by the authors of Clean Break as part of a larger plan to allow Israel to “shape its strategic environment”, by “removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq”, weakening Syria and Lebanon, and finally Iran. When Perle, Feith and Wurmser moved to key positions in the U.S. government, they arranged for the United States to implement the program themselves, without Israel having to pay a single drop of blood. If there are differences between the Clean Break report written for the Israeli government in 1996 and the report Rebuilding America’s Defenses written by the same authors for the U.S. government in 2000, it is not in the program itself, but rather the argued reasons. First, Clean Break does not have Iraq as a threat, but as the weakest of the enemies of Israel, the least dangerous and the easiest to break. In a follow-up to Clean Break, entitled Coping with Crumbling States: A Western and Israeli Balance of Power Strategy for the Levant, Wurmser emphasizes the fragility of Middle East States, particularly Iraq: “the residual unity of the nation is an illusion projected by extreme repression of the state”. Thus the same action of first overthrowing Saddam is recommended to Israel and the United States, but for opposite reasons. The weakness of Iraq, which is the reason for Israel, does not constitute a valid reason for the United States; and so it was therefore necessary to present Iraq to the Americans as a mortal threat to their country. Netanyahu himself authored an article in the Wall Street Journal in September 2002, under the title “The Case for Toppling Saddam”, describing Saddam as “a dictator who is rapidly expanding his arsenal of biological and chemical weapons, who has used these weapons of mass destruction against his subjects and his neighbors, and who is feverishly trying to acquire nuclear weapons”. Nothing of such a threat, however, is mentioned in Israeli internal documents, which also make no mention of any further connection between Iraq and Al-Qaeda, nor even Al-Qaeda in general. The perspective on Iraq in Clean Break was the realistic one, while the motives given America was pure propaganda: by the time American troops moved into Iraq, the country had been ruined by a decade of economic sanctions that had not only rendered its army powerless, but also destroyed its once exemplary education and health care systems, taking the lives, according to UNICEF, of half a million children."
When Richard Perle says "this nation", which passport is he speaking from? All intel I have says that he is both an Israeli and American citizen.
It would be so much simpler if these unelected leaders could only have one national allegience. It is BS and y'all know it. Be a citizen of A nation. Not two. or three. At least then we can call you traitor correctly.
the MSM continues to misrepresent the facts. the Shia, or Shiite is the fundamentalist branch of Islam. the leadership of Iran and Syria for instance are Shia law. Al Qaeda is not Shia, or Shiite, and has never been associated with Iran, or the leadership of Syria. they are part of the rebels attempting to overthrow Syria. then who is Al Qaeda (other than a CIA sponsered terrorist MERCENCARY group?) they are a group of Sunni style rebels who see Islam as a nationalist and not a religious state. the government of Turkey is under SHIA law and the latest riots there were (understandably) college students who wanted beer on campus. when the 9/11 terrorists landed in the US they went to Las Vegas where they whored and gambled. fundamentalist Islam does not condone that behavior, wrap your heads around it, the MSM is misrepresenting the facts. we aren't sure who Al Qaeda really is, we do know they weren't in IRAQ prior to the invasion, or IRAN either. since the US BACKS AL QAEDA in LIBYA and SYRIA, and probably way back to AFGHANISTAN, its a good question to ask, who are they, be sure they aren't what the media says they are. and they're now fighting in IRAQ with weapons and money purloined from SYRIA, and AFGHANISTAN where we give the TALIBAN money, much to consternation of the late H Karzai [oh he is still alive?] this is a US war against fundamentalism, [near as i can figure] rousing nationalist radical groups like AL QAEDA which are useful until their purpose is achieved and new pro uS corporate interests are installed [i mean elected] which will provide plenty of cheap outsourced labor to the rest of the world [us corporate multinationals]
Most of the answers can be had by dragging Bandar Bush into an international crimes court.
Good post, but there are different factions of AQ. Some have goals parallel to USG, some do not.
War is a Racket "Smedly Butler".
I can say unequivocally: we shouldn't have done that. Just like we shouldn't have escorted Saudis directly involved in 9/11 out of the country.
Any Saudi involvement was limited to providing the patsies. This recent effort to implicate the Saudis is really an effort to obfuscate the role of elements of the U.S. government.
Oh, and the Israelis - who were far, far more involved than the Saudis were.
And no, I don't think Israel deserves all the blame it gets, and doesn't seem to do anything the U.S. doesn't also do [or the Soviets in their prime] but it is absurd to pin 9/11 on the Saudis when the evidence of Israeli involvement, whatever that involvement actually was, is far more abundant than the involvement of Arabs, or for that matter "Al Qaeda."
I'm not committed to any theory of what really happened on 9/11 simply because I'm not in a position to know. I do feel pretty confident that the "official" narrative did not happen, however.
And I'm confident enough in my high school and undergrad physics and chemistry to 'know' that those buildings didn't come down like that, near free fall speed, with steel beams ejected hundreds of yards from a pyroclastic flow because of burning jet fuel and office furniture.
I think it's covered pretty well in "A New Pearl Harbor"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1GCeuSr3Mk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7mDXHn_byA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DegLpgJmFL8
And they didn't turn the transponders off at the edge of radar mapping without outside, inside help {or it was done for them remotely}. Naturally the record number of 'exercises' going on at the same time is curious, eh? Not sure how the Saudis arranged all that....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6WSDxErgBE
We have now a pivot towards Iran.
Look for some "bad press" to start "leaking" about the Saudis.
The new Seven Sisters control a third of the world's oil and gas production that is more than a third of the world's reserves. The old Seven Sisters, by comparison, produce tenth of the world's oil, and control only three percent of the reserves. Saudi Arabia's Saudi Aramco, the largest and most sophisticated oil company in the world; Russia's Gazprom, a company that Russia's President Vladimir Putin wrested away from the oligarchs; The China National Petroleum Corporation (CNPC), which, along with its subsidiary, Petrochina, is the world's second largest company in terms of market value; The National Iranian Oil Company, which has a monopoly on exploration, extraction, transportation and exportation of crude oil in Iran – OPEC's second largest oil producer after Saudi Arabia; Venezuela's PDVSA, a company the late president Hugo Chavez dismantled and rebuilt into his country's economic engine and part of his diplomatic arsenal; Brazil's Petrobras, a leader in deep water oil production, that pumps out 2 million barrels of crude oil a day; and Malaysia's Petronas - Asia's most profitable company in 2012. Mainly state-owned, the new Seven Sisters control a third of the world's oil and gas production, and more than a third of the world's reserves. AJ
There should be a law against people like William Krystol and Richard Perl pushing our nation into wars. Who the fuck do they think they are?? If YOU love Israel so much then get the fuck out of the U.S.A. and go LIVE THERE!!! We're sick of your God Damned wars. They loot the nations wealth and get away with it; they start wars and invade costing U.S. taxpayers TRILLIONS...and get away with it. Jesus Christ what's it gonna take to stop these monsters? They're WORSE than Adolf Hitler!
Who are these "Neocons" so their names can be circulated after the collapse.
Ron Paul you are my president.
Fact: The majority of "Tea Party" members voted for Obama's war spending extension in 2009.
If you think the Tea Party is going to ride to the rescue, you have your head up your ass.
It's not the goddamn demon cat liberals and neocon warmongers you have to worry about, it's the fake conservatives.
fucking English and American FUBAR's
it's this whole arrogant attitude of wanting to "liberate" the world -
how long did it take for African Americans to liberate themselves ?
how many were killed and burned alive still in the 1960 - 1970 ?
what is the history of England and America and everything the British Empire touched ?
America fucked up the world, they carpet bombed Germany in the WWII nuked Hiroshima
and Nagasaki (and occupied Japan since then) nepalmed Vietnam and Asia, fucked up the middle east
together with the English, Iraq and Afghanistan are just 2 more casualties of this fascist Regime that
calls itself "the Liberators"!
Americans are Prisoners of their own Administration :
In other words...
the Lunatics are running the Asylum....
the US economy is running on war and the destruction and exploitation of other economies.
FUBAR (fucked up beyond all recognition)
and everyone knows it....
the Economy is fucked,
and based on lies,wars and more bullshit
spun by the most corrupt and bankrupt Governments this world has ever seen
including the fucked up Rupert Murdoch MSM monopoly,
that advertises it's inane lying shit as "News"!
and all you fucks still believe in this shit!
you deserve all you get!
WR;)
"and all you fucks still believe in this shit!"
Which website do you think you're posting on?
I think even the people I disagree with are relatively savvy of MSM news or they'd be over at Huff Po right now, commenting on funny cat videos.
But take it down a notch, bub!
Really. I Second that.
Comments on those Huffpost funny cat videos are heavily censored.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJAvobSjSf8
As long as that region is in consistent turmoil, 'the tribe' will be safe.
Didn't Foodstamp's Cabal declare that Al Queda was defeated?
Equally bad is you've got 100K or so veterans who have seen & done violent things. Some of them are pretty badly broken with PTSD etc. If the economy collapses, many of them will find their way into criminal gangs (no job opportunities, more adrenalin). In this way, some of the gangs could develop into quite a formidable fighting force. Something like that happend in Russia after Soviet Union's collapse. The local mafias employed Afghanistan war veterans as hitmen etc.
I have no basis for thinking this but criminal gangs should be called criminal networks really, as the flow of drugs has been so rewarding the operations are becoming more like a conglomerate with specialized areas of operations linked internationally. I also believe a rival power of the U S will be using operatives recruited from poorer countries like mexico and maybe some african countries to start to ally with U S gangs. I imagine having billions of dollars going to drug lords in mexico makes it likely that some national politicians are being corrupted. the war on drugs is a shield for the cartel paid for by the taxpayers and some of the ddrug money flowing into the cartels is used to bribe our lawmakers. anyone defending the war on drugs is either stupid or corrupt. it is a failed policy and should be done away with.
Only the US Govt has actively armed Mexican drug gangs
The Soviets had KGB men to direct the gangs - in the US you only have Blackwater
The gangs got their own training-they infiltrate gangsters into the military for training.
I have read that the US Marines had tried TWICE to secure Fallujah, but were driven back. They finally dropped Napalm all over the city (too be sure) and killed many thousands of innocent Iraqi.......TO BE SURE; not a jab at our MARINES, but to Dicksuck Cheney et al
I didn't know Iraq had an Air Force after the US destroyed it. They are getting Mi-28NE helis from Russia.
It looks rather as if the US was duped into toppling Saddam by Israel/Iran using Chalabi and now Saudi is sending its al-Qaeda proxies in from Syria to start to carve out a Sunni sector in Iraq and partition the country.
Perle, Wolfowitz, Denis Ross, Podhoretz, and the rest of the Likud Crew managed to sucker the USA into a major disaster dismantling the borders the French and British put together after 1919 and launching a Sunni-Shia War on Russia's doorstep. The Russians have not imposed their version of the Monroe Doctrine but the clumsy attempts at destabilising Central Asia to access gas reserves have drawn the US into the mess of Afghan (Unocal) and Syria and Iraq.........once the blowback takes Turkey to pieces as Alewites and Kurds take revenge on Sunni Erdogan and his Muslim Brotherhood, Russia will need to move up the DEFCON ladder to safeguard its border regions.......best bet would be to sponsor a new Kurdish state encompassing Turkey and Iraq and Syria
We rebuilt it. They're a bunch of corrupt, inept, ignorant, backwards twits who get trained by the US and were, or now are, training up from cesnas to F16s while stealing everything that isn't nailed down and destroying everything else. Worst soldiers ever. There's a reason they've always lost to the Kurds.
It is Saddam's fault.
He would still be the Boss if he had not priced Oil in Euros instead of Petro-Dollarz.
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(Ring! Ring!)
"Dad, wassup?"
"Listen, Junior! The world is in trouble. Dick has a Plan. Follow it exactly."
"Shazzam! Awright, Poppy."
Neocons just doing their job, managing the Israeli occupation of the USSA. After getting them to liberate Iraq they send in al Qaeda to divvy it up, something to do with Hegel and his dialectic.
Not a problem though. Presstitute will keep the inmates confused and entertained, the intersexuals will school them with shit and adjust the history for them and all will be well. I don't know but I get all tingly when I hear catchy titles like Zero Dark Forty, makes me want to run out and discuss joining the armed forces with mummy and daddy so I can go ahead and get PTSD.
When the yearly cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan exceeded the yearly GDP of these nations, you begin to wonder how powerfully stupid and how stupidly powerful the puppeteers are.
They hate us for our freedomz.
I agree with Paul. However, the one big difference between Iraq and Iran is Iran will have a nuke and the rockets to deliver it.
Remember the "Peoples uprising" in 2009 Iran? and f-ing 0bama all but ignored them.
Iran to the Iraqi rescue to fight common enemy Al qaeda...in Falloujah.
Iraqi PM urges Falluja to expel al-Qaida militants | World news | theguardian.com
Looks like the Sunni Jihadists are now becoming a dangered species. If the Shia theocrats, the Saud plutocrats and the Secular Despots (Assad and Egypt militarists) decide Sunni Goddism has to be drunk with soda and not neat anymore, as prescribed by the Salafists!
Even Erdogan is now being criticised on all sides for putting Charia into his Kemalist legacy. Too far and too ambitious to make friends at home or abroad.
As General Giap taught the world, if you piss off the local population, whats left of it, you lose your role of white knight or scarlet pimpernel, the freedom fighter and night rider of redemption. Al Qaeda is now being corralled in Afghan and Iraq as a breakaway fanatical creed, financed by Talibani poppy seed, like Sinan of Old Ismailia assassin sect doped on Hashish. It didn't end well for the Alamut strain destroyed by the Secular militarist Mameluks.
Al Qaeda will face an uphill task if Bandar al Sultan pulls the plug on them...as he has on the Egyptian brotherhood.
Where to Pax Americana; Kerry seems to have his play book all botched up; The Sauds repugnate him and Al Qaeda repudiates his peace talk in Israel-Palestine along with the Hamas and Hizbollah. All the while Hollande hopes to pick up the tabs of Arms Merchandising to Saudi kingdom come and surrogate princedoms.
BAE Systems fails to win £6bn contract to supply Typhoon fighters to UAE | Business | The Guardian
Kerry's only ace is the peace deal with Iran; if the Neocons of Congress don't pull the plug on that along with the hawks of Jerusalem.
2014 will be tipping times for ME Pax Americana chimes.
Sunni jihadists were already a waning group-Shiites far outnumber Sunnis in Iraq. That's why Iran has so much control over things there. Sunni fighters are also divided between former regime elements vs foreign Sunni fighters, like Al Qaeda. Al Qaeda wasn't our biggest enemy there, either, just one of many groups. The Ba'athists, who had all the money and weapons, were all too happy to recruit religious patsies to come fight for them. They hired or convinced lots of Sunni "freedom fighters" to come fight in Iraq. Al Qaeda were not popular there after a while because they didn't care if they killed innocent civilians. A lot of their fighting was tit-for-tat murders with Shiite groups. A group would kill Sunnis in one neighborhood, then Sunnis would go kill Shiites in another. I don't know how Iraq is still a coherent country anymore. They're so absurdly backward, so divided between ethnic and religious groups; I can't see what keeps them one nation.
OIL
muslims want a republican form of government bitchez!
obama and brennan FUCKED IT UP .... not the neocons
I remember Fallujah, that was Saddam's Republican Guard stronghold, they were the only sizeable anti-communist anti- mullah force left in the nation- so we killed them to make way for the NWO.