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US Unveils "Climate Hubs" In War Against Climate Change
Just when you thought the "creativity" of this country's central planners couldn't get any greater, here comes the US Department of Agriculture with a brilliant plan to "mitigate the impact of a changing climate" - Climate Hubs. No really: Ag Sec Tom Vilsack announced today the creation of the first ever Regional Hubs for Risk Adaptation and Mitigation to Climate Change at seven locations around the country. "Climate Hubs" will address increasing risks such as fires, invasive pests, devastating floods, and crippling droughts on a regional basis, aiming to translate science and research into information to farmers, ranchers, and forest landowners on ways to adapt and adjust their resource management. Why is this being announced? "Today's announcement is part of the President's Climate Action Plan to responsibly cut carbon pollution, slow the effects of climate change and put America on track to a cleaner environment."
From the USDA
Secretary Vilsack Announces Regional Hubs to Help Agriculture, Forestry Mitigate the Impacts of a Changing Climate
Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack announced today the creation of the first ever Regional Hubs for Risk Adaptation and Mitigation to Climate Change at seven locations around the country. "Climate Hubs" will address increasing risks such as fires, invasive pests, devastating floods, and crippling droughts on a regional basis, aiming to translate science and research into information to farmers, ranchers, and forest landowners on ways to adapt and adjust their resource management. In his State of the Union Address, President Obama pledged that his Administration will continue to do everything in its power to act on climate change. Today's announcement is part of the President's Climate Action Plan to responsibly cut carbon pollution, slow the effects of climate change and put America on track to a cleaner environment.
"For generations, America's farmers, ranchers and forest landowners have innovated and adapted to challenges. Today, they face a new and more complex threat in the form of a changing and shifting climate, which impacts both our nation's forests and our farmers' bottom lines," said Vilsack. "USDA's Climate Hubs are part of our broad commitment to developing the next generation of climate solutions, so that our agricultural leaders have the modern technologies and tools they need to adapt and succeed in the face of a changing climate."
The Secretary first announced his intention to create the Hubs last summer. The Hubs will provide outreach and information to producers on ways to mitigate risks; public education about the risks climate change poses to agriculture, ranchlands and forests; regional climate risk and vulnerability assessments; and centers of climate forecast data and information. They will also link a broad network of partners participating in climate risk adaptation and mitigation, including universities; non-governmental organizations; federal agencies such as the Department of Interior and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration; Native Nations and organizations; state departments of environment and agriculture; research centers; farm groups and more.
Across the country, farmers, ranchers and forest landowners are seeing an increase in risks to their operations due to fires, increases in invasive pests, droughts, and floods. For example, in the Midwest, growing seasons have lengthened by almost two weeks since 1950. The fire season is now 60 days longer than it was 30 years ago, and forests will become increasingly threatened by insect outbreaks, fire, drought and storms over the next 50 years. These events threaten our food supply and are costly for producers and rural economies. Drought alone was estimated to cost the U.S. $50 billion from 2011 to 2013. Such risks have implications not only for agricultural producers, but for all Americans.
The Hubs were chosen through a competitive process among USDA facilities. In addition to the seven Hubs, USDA is designating three Subsidiary Hubs ("Sub Hubs") that will function within the Southeast, Midwest, and Southwest. The Sub Hubs will support the Hub within their region and focus on a narrow and unique set of issues relative to what will be going on in the rest of the Hub. The Southwest Sub Hub, located in Davis, California, will focus on specialty crops and Southwest forests, the Southeast Sub Hub will address issues important to the Caribbean, and the Midwest Sub Hub will address climate change and Lake State forests.
The following locations have been selected to serve as their region's center of climate change information and outreach to mitigate risks to the agricultural sector:
- Midwest: National Laboratory for Agriculture and the Environment, Agricultural Research Service, Ames, Iowa
- Sub-Hub in Houghton, Mich.
- Northeast: Northern Research Station, Forest Service, Durham, N.H.
- Southeast: Southern Research Station, Forest Service, Raleigh, N.C.
- Sub-Hub in Rio Piedras, Puerto Rico
- Northern Plains: National Resources Center, Agricultural Research Service, Fort Collins, Colo.
- Southern Plains: Grazinglands Research Lab, Agricultural Research Service, El Reno, Okla.
- Pacific Northwest: Pacific Northwest Research Station, Forest Service, Corvallis, Ore.
- Southwest: Rangeland Management Unit/Jornada Experimental Range, Agricultural Research Service, Las Cruces, N.M.
- Sub-hub in Davis, Calif.
"This is the next step in USDA's decades of work alongside farmers, ranchers and forest landowners to keep up production in the face of challenges," Vilsack said. "If we are to be effective in managing the risks from a shifting climate, we'll need to ensure that our managers in the field and our stakeholders have the information they need to succeed. That's why we're bringing all of that information together on a regionally-appropriate basis."
The Climate Hubs will build on the capacity within USDA to deliver science-based knowledge and practical information to farmers, ranchers and forest landowners to support decision-making related to climate change across the country.
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Once again, one is left speechless.
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Ya, don't believe yer lyin' eyes seeing all those glaciers melting.
It's global coolin', it's magic.
What about the buffoons being stuck in their vanishing Antarctic ice a few weeks ago......what YOU allegedly see with your eyes is moot in the context of worldwide temperature now isn't it? AGW is the biggest scam in the history of the world. Cherry or Grape your preferred flavor?
Son, if you are going to troll, at least show up on time...
A ha....nothing in CA.....wtf
Are there hubs in the same places as those "Opportunity Zones"??
And what's next, "Freedom Camps"???
Yep, with small fenced areas called "4th amendment" zones that you have to get a body cavity search to enter.
Free speech zones
They already have gun free zones.
Give me some free gun zones and I'll be happy.
Hub Zones, ever hear of those? Start a business in a ghetto and have a majority of your staff from the hood and you can Hoover up the government contracts. Of course you will want your conceal carry permit and razor wire.
All the major cities of the USA will be declared "New Palestine" and will be settled by God's Chosen people doing God's Work.
Right Blankfein?
There's your freedom-camps, right from the template - Palestine
Next up, fireplaces and wood burning stoves.
Simon says Climate Change.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rsy3JGxVa3A
"Weathering the Storm": Invents the Weather Machine to distort the Earth's weather patterns, but finds out he can't use the Weather Machine against Earth if he's on Earth.
About time, it's cold as balls outside.
It's the new Co2 "Icehouse effect"; soon to be anounced by the UN.
You know it's summer right now, right?
In AUSTRALIA. It's not winter for the entire planet all at once.
SAT 50 is more like it.
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Across the country, farmers, ranchers and forest landowners are seeing an increase in risks to their operations due to
Government.
Farmers and ranchers see subsidies from government. At least, big ones do.
They are not giving it to themselves....There are elected officials who do have the ability to say NO.
Those elected officials could say goodbye to a lot of campaign contributions then.
No, they're not. Monsanto writes the farm bill in the USA, the farmers know who butters the read even if they are the ones doling out the butter in the first place.
"Climate Hubs" willaddress increasing risks such as fires, invasive pests, devastating floods, and crippling droughts on a regional basis, aiming to translate science and research into information to farmers, ranchers, and forest landowners on ways to adapt and adjust their resource management.
How is this any different from what the dept of Ag or some other departments should be doing now?
This is good.
Invasive pest = politician or banker. Right?
Spruce B ud worm, Emerald Ash Borer, for example
This is first winter in many years where they will not exapnd their range...
http://www.doi.gov/NISC/global/ISAC/ISAC_Minutes/2010/Tab8/Ziska_Invasiv...
For fun we can throw in the carriers of West Nile and Malaria....
Here is a spooky little opinion piece by Mann in the NYT followed by a lame attempt to use the poor, as a crutch, to justify carbon fee’s.
If You See Something, Say Something (HIS WORDS).
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/19/opinion/sunday/if-you-see-something-say-something.html
STATE COLLEGE, Pa. — THE overwhelming consensus among climate scientists is that human-caused climate change is happening. Yet a fringe minority of our populace clings to an irrational rejection of well-established science. This virulent strain of anti-science infects the halls of Congress, the pages of leading newspapers and what we see on TV, leading to the appearance of a debate where none should exist.
In fact, there is broad agreement among climate scientists not only that climate change is real (a survey and a review of the scientific literature published say about 97 percent agree), but that we must respond to the dangers of a warming planet. If one is looking for real differences among mainstream scientists, they can be found on two fronts: the precise implications of those higher temperatures, and which technologies and policies offer the best solution to reducing, on a global scale, the emission of greenhouse gases.
For example, should we go full-bore on nuclear power? Invest in and deploy renewable energy — wind, solar and geothermal — on a huge scale? Price carbon emissions through cap-and-trade legislation or by imposing a carbon tax? Until the public fully understands the danger of our present trajectory, those debates are likely to continue to founder…
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“One solution could fight both global extreme poverty and climate change,” Michael Howard, University of Maine
http://researchshows.bangordailynews.com/2014/02/04/home/one-solution-could-fight-both-global-extreme-poverty-and-climate-change-michael-howard-university-of-maine/
Global extreme poverty is an urgent and persistent, but ultimately solvable, problem. One partial solution to such widespread poverty could also help to mitigate the growing impacts of climate change: the development of a universal dividend funded by a universal carbon fee…
…The evidence shows that for the world’s poorest, a relatively small guaranteed income can go a long way in lifting them out of extreme poverty. One promising model is the creation of a resource dividend, such as the Alaska dividend. As proposed in an earlier U.S. Senate bill, carbon is one resource that could become the basis for a universal social dividend.
If carbon fees were instituted everywhere, say at $20 per ton of carbon dioxide, and a dividend were given to every person globally, it would amount to twice as much as the basic income in the Indian experiment. Carbon fees are desirable independently as a means of reducing greenhouse gas emissions, while the dividend benefits poorer households despite the increase in prices.
Socialist re-distribution scheme. What more do you need to know?
As far as the spruce budworm goes, we had an infestation in Maine back in the 70's and havent seen it since. I left this comment at Jo Nova's place in response to Prince Charles headless chicken comment. You might also be surprised who is associated with The Princes Trust.
http://joannenova.com.au/2014/02/prince-charles-says-we-should-have-more...
My comment:
In the 1700?s the King raised the ire of the New England region not only with a tax on tea, but Pine trees as well.
http://www.nelma.org/lagniappe/kings-broad-arrow-and-ewp/
excerpt:
The tax on tea was not the only issue that raised anger among American colonists in the 1700’s. Eastern White Pine played an equally key role in events that led to the Revolutionary War and American Independence from England…
…Acting as dominion over the forests of “New England”, the King assumed ownership of the best of the Eastern White Pine trees and appointed a legion of Surveyors of Pines and Timber to survey the forestland “within 10 miles ofbroadarrow any navigable waterway” and mark all suitable trees with “The King’s Broad Arrow”, a series of three hatchet slashes. This was the symbol commonly used to signify ownership of property or goods by the Crown, in this case to be owned and used solely by the Royal Navy. Any tree of a diameter of twenty-four inches and greater at twelve inches from the ground, with “a yard of height for each inch of diameter at the butt” was blazed with the broad arrow. Violation by the colonists of this rule would be assessed a fine of £100. Persons appointed to the position of Surveyor-General of His Majesty’s Woods were responsible for selecting, marking and recording trees as well as policing and enforcing the unlicensed cutting of protected trees.
Use of the broad arrow mark commenced in earnest in 1691 when the revised Massachusetts Bay Charter included in its last paragraph a “Mast Preservation Clause” stating (original language):
“And lastly for the better provideing and furnishing of Masts for Our Royall Navy Wee doe hereby reserve to Vs Our Heires and Successors all Trees of the Diameter of Twenty Four Inches and upwards of Twelve Inches from the ground growing vpon any soyle or Tract of Land within Our said Province or Territory not heretofore granted to any private persons And Wee doe restrains and forbid all persons whatsoever from felling cutting or destroying any such Trees without the Royall Lycence of Vs Our Heires and Successors first had and obteyned vpon penalty of Forfeiting One Hundred Pounds sterling vnto Ous Our Heires and Successors for every such Tree soe felled cult or destroyed without such Lycence had and obteyned in that behalfe any thing in.”
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Charles should be advised that the locals will not take too kindly to “The King’s Carbon” either.
Dont' tell Flakmeister your Spruce Budworms haen't been back; he'll have a fit; it's required that you believe all the "evidence" broadcast on the media by the Cult; or else !
Because now Monsanto has an ap for that....
They do have an app for that, and it costs a pretty penny.
All crops are monitored from the ground & results sent by wi-fi.
Image analysis from the quants indicates variations across specific fields to prioritize where failures are starting, rather than complete or a field's all-fine, from frequent satellite images.
And yes, there is an actual app to get the reports.
To be enrolled you need at least 1,000 acres to dedicate to specific crops for a subsidy from Monsanto.
If there's a drought that goes on four or five years, and nearby reservoirs are cracked deserts, you can go down to your friendly climate hub and watch one of those joke faucets that stands in the middle of the fountain constantly running water from a clear tube running inside the stream from the fountain to the faucet.
Shirley you didn't think your local Ag agent could do that!
They ALREADY do, and the local agricultural extensions already serve as the intersection of .gov, .edu, and .com (and there are a hell of lot more than 7 or 10 of them).
Secretary Ballsack has been on the job since 2009 and before that he was the governor of Agribusiness Inc. - and yet he doesn't have the doesn't seem to know shit about Ag.
He's not a human being, he's an invasive hybrid nuisance species (Ureaucraticbus Ocksuckercus) and the gene pool would be better of without his contaminating it.
Sounds great!
This is authorized under... Which one of the "enumerated powers?"
I believe that it's right next to "executive orders" in Article 3, Section 3. But I could be wrong about that.
"You didn't build that guillotine."
The lengths to which statists go to perpetuate their existence is comical.
'Employment Hubs' - I'm sure Hitler had some version of this.
Next, ACA's announcement of it's rollout of the Obama-Jugend insurance buyers force.
I get Climbing Chubs in the morning.
A more "localized" central command and control. Drones watching farmers day and night. The cows will be wearing carbon scrubbers before long, an exhaust version of a CPAP device.
Trolling for your tax dollars as always.
Bingo. Rest assured the war against climate change will just further enhance the war for your money through taxes and fines.
The USA is a bit late to the party, Australia has just closed down their department of hot air, and is trying to get rid of their carbon tax that Juliar Gillard introduced.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ApCwoj35d3M
You would not believe how much bitching I heard from the wife when it went into effect... Of course even if they get rid of it the bus fares will never go down, and a lot of other government costs will likely stay the same. Can't have the guberment losing money on it's efforts now can we....
Should you fight this shit every step of the way, or just let them go full Stalinist USSR on us all quickly, and get it over and done with?
If you have kids, you must fight!
There is no other way...
Fight? Who are you fighting? There will not be anyone to actually fight when the thing collapses. They haven't the power or the actual ability to go statist revolutionary on us.
Those people are going to die and they know it. They haven't the skills to survive the collapse of their utopia.
The battleground of ideas and philosophies, using the tools of reason and objectivity.
From little things, big things grow.
Equal rain Equal sunshine
We must stop the inequality.
Will these couple with our FEMAhubs?
How many bullets will they need?
Code name: Climate Chains
There's a saying in certain circles "You don't need more guns, you need more friends".
They don't need more bullets William. They need more fodder, as it stands, they won't have enough. I'm betting on the rednecks for this game.
Yes, this will make it easier to raid farmer's bins when the system breaks. Anybody watch the "World War Z" government propaganda film? Only those that contribute, or in this case aid in the elites control, will be given essentials. The rest of us will be left to ourselves.
There are going to be many good Porno watching government jobs created with this...because these guys will have nothing to do...and WILL do nothing..other than make reports that no one will read....a typical government employee..what can they do...tell a farmer its hot out ..or its sunny..or its raining and windy...
"For example, in the Midwest, growing seasons have lengthened by almost two weeks since 1950."
And this is a bad thing because?
You're thinking again. Room 101 for you.
I think a 52 week growing season would be awesome!
I think...
It's not a bad thing; and neither is the 6-7% increase in green plant growth and vigour caused by the few extra Co2 molecules in the atmosphere; neither is it a "trend". The growing season is no longer increasing; these things just drift back and forth for reasons, about which we know little or nothing, or for no reason at all. The "reason" the twentieth century was "warmer" was that the 19th. Cent. was "colder". If you don't understand that, read it again.
The sun's output varies. But just as varying the brightness of a light bulb will have no effect on the warmth of your nearby hand, the sun's variability has no effect on the average temperature of the earth.
Nice try; but that's not what happens when you do the experiment. All sorts of things are left out of conventional estimates of soleation at the Earth. Among other things; storms of protons traveling a 90% of the speed of light that sometimes impact the atmosphere; and other times not; but we don't count them. Why? They aren't real? They are real. It's quite a complicated situation; the historical record is pretty clear, tho. the overall temperatures drift slowly up and down a little bit; they aren't "trending" anywhere. And if they are, there is no one alive on this planet who knows about it. As far as the future is concerned, you'll just have to wait and see; as far as "predictions" or Models", or "trends" are concerned; forget about it; there aren't any.
You are quite the bullshitter...
It's easy to be convincing when the facts are on your side; more difficult when you have to get along with made-up propaganda releases that can be de-fused in five minutes on the open internet. but, don't let me discourage you.
I have yet to see you cite one of your FACTS and Open Internet Sites... that refutes the finding of the 2013 IPCC Report.
Please provide "peer reviewed" papers and cites that refute the 2013 IPCC Report. I will take my time and read them with a open mind.
In case you haven't read the IPCC report here is the link...
http://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar5/wg1/
Right, I'd like to know how many research grants were awarded in the last 30 years for papers that proposed to find out if AGW was a bullshit concept. I'm guessing somewhere around zero. If you aren't funded to write a paper then it is pretty difficult to have your peers review it. The whole system is corrupt.
Hey ding a ling, do you have any idea what research grants actually entail... No one writes a grant to do research to prove or disprove AGW....
For what the Kochs, Exxon and the rest of Fossil Fuel industries have spent and spreading disinformation you could fund all kinds of studies... The problem is that money can't be used to generate anything internally consistent that says AGW ain;t the only possible answer to the what the data says...
The Kochs tried and it blew up in their faces....
Google: Koch funding of Berkeley earth
So take your slander of the scientific establishment and general all-round ignorance and go fuck yourself...
My lord you're an idiot.
LMAO....
Tell us more about the astrophysics that was a "nightmare"....
Bullshitter...
Stupid: it's because charged electrons & protons DO NOT PRODUCE HEAT ON EARTH. They are CHARGED particles deflected by magnetic fields, not photons which are infrared, or converted to infrared by interaction on the Earth's surface with other molecules.
You show me the heat from ELECTRONS AND PROTONS hurled at us from the sun: try it.
"as far as "predictions" or Models", or "trends" are concerned; forget about it; there aren't any"
Except there are and it's clear as day:
http://assets.inhabitat.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2013/01/nasa-global-warming-report-537x295.jpg
Actually MEASURING the output of the sun and what hits the ground shows there's no match of activity vs heat increase.
The actual match is the increase in the blanket holding the heat in all night, which shouldn't happen, which is methane & CO2.
Which is not accurate. Gases around the planet are not homogenous. Even in a high pressure zone and clear sky there are variations in the climate all over the place. It's a natural, normal thing created by how the sun's light impacts the surface.
Only a sheep would think that the very thing that heats the earth in the first place would not have a tendency to cause a causal chains that effect the weather in odd ways that we might not understand because the majority of the populace of the world still believes in silly notions like taxes are moral and the Central Banks are a good thing for the world.
Try using that mass of grey up that big head of yours.
The above might well be one of most vacuous bullshit fueled posts I have ever seen at ZH...
You're an engineer, I expect you to be a stooge as well as an ignoramus. You work on applying what we physicists come up with. I'm a bit ahead of you hero.
Figure out that nabla thingie in spherical coordinates yet?
it IS accurate because you can measure gases AND solar wattage on the surface. The big problem, in fact, is the huge surface area that's ocean since it's hard as hell to measure that. It won't sit still & you can't put permanent stations at equal distances & matching altitudes since the curvature is somewhat elliptical & even then, gravity isn't uniform so the sea-level isn't either relative to distance to the core, distance to the sun, etc.
There are not variations in the climate OVER TIME but ACROSS geographies, as your reference, which is in fact irrelevant because all are changing to be warmer at the same time.
Only a SHEEP would think the sun's irradiance has increased because measurements clearly show it hasn't & we have more than the Earth to work with: we can measure from the moon & from any machine we landed on Mars plus data from Voyager as it has been sending data back as it traveled.
The irradiance, solar output increase, isn't there. It's now upon you to prove it IS.
Sure your whole theory is pinned on requiring them to only measure the wattage at the ground without taking into account what happens as the radiation travels through the atmosphere first and hits the ground itself which will always react differently based upon the carious minerals and makeup of the terrain. Look throughout the world there are examples of similar terrains having very similar weather patterns.
Did it take you long to pull that our of your ass?
Don't let me stop you, you are on a roll...
the infrared satellite cameras pick that up just the same, no difference where in the atmosphere the heat is generated. It's covered. It's not a theory, it's raw data. I have no theories, I work only with the data, the evidence.
no, dumbass, the crops keep dying in the heat.
"6-7% increase in green plant growth " : no, only where the heat is lower, water is more plentiful & so is shade as needed.
Where we humans plant the trees & crops, this is not the case. The excessive heat is soaking up all the moisture into the air instead of raining it where it's needed. WE did that.
Why are you mocking this, Tyler? Did you forget to take your meds or are you fearing losing ad revenue to The Drudge Report?
Look, anytime you go to the gov for solutions, you're already halfway down the wrong path. All this fucking thing is going to be is yet another make jobs for otherwise unemployable people of distinction. Which you, white bread heterosexual male, are not.
Just another trough for the tax leeches to line up on and feed. On yet another tired, worn out non issue.
I am here from the government and I'm here to help..............
Anarchy, a society without a publicly enforced government.
Maybe we ought to round up all the "unemployable people of distinction" and administer the "Nazi final solution" to this subset of humanity. These people are just a waste of resources. Just pull up all the names of people that have received government handouts and truck them to a FEMA center and get rid of them.
Hitler had it right but he just targeted the wrong section of humanity.
<SARC>
that sounds like an awful lot of work. How about we just let them fucking starve in place?
there is no carbon pollution. for Christ's sake. CO2 is what plants live on. The only measurable effect of the slightly increased availability of c02 in the atmosphere is an increase in world food supplies due to the increased growing speed and vigor of the green plants on which we all depend. I never thought I'd live to see this level of mass hypnosis. Do your homework for heaven's sake. I suppose half these govenment shills believe this crap by now, they've repeated it so often. Human Beings failing the Darwin Test. Too stupid to live.
BINGO! 186 billion tons of CO2 annually. A mere 6 billion from man. The other 180 billion from land plant/animal and ocean plant/animal decay and volcanic activity. And as you mention FACT CO2 is a NUTRIENT required for every living plant....
40% of the American Population have no idea that all green plants manufacture their physical existence their very bodies from CO2. Probably the same 40% who believe Jesus is watching over their shoulder today. Tomatoe growers have been putting tanks of C02 connected to their greenhouses for many decades to get the benefits of increased co2 levels. The best available evidence from experiments done on a controlled atmosphere for common food crops indicates that we have probably 6-7% of our present food production owing to the few extra molecules of co2 that we put back into the atmosphere. (That's where it came from in the first place).
90% or more Americans have no idea that Co2 is already so high & pushing temperature higher, it's killing all the crops they eat the most & need the most. The heat kills the plant before any further benefit comes from CO2.
These plants aren't just spreading by wind to areas which are naturally irrigated & shielded by trees. WE THE HUMANS are putting the crop plants where they are exposed to the sun, may NOT get enough irrigation & so are extremely prone to sudden shifts in wind, rain & poor preparation for irrigation.
That's massive CO2 increases, massive temperature increases, massive crop losses followed finally by MASSIVE EXTINCTION of humans.
NO bingo for you.
We the humans CAUSED THE DECAY you pretend is just nature because WE did it with INDUSTRY.
Ocean life: WE did the killing, and now it's far worse with Fukushima.
Plant decay in soil? BUFFERED, held frozen in the permafrost, and now we've forced it to melt that decay is MULTIPLIED into today's era of excess methane & CO2.
The methane & CO2 released by us FAR exceeds your numbers because you REFUSE to count all the waste from all the landfills & from all the agriculture WE put there and ALL the chain-reaction effects nature had NOTHING to do with.
On this EARTH pretty much the ONLY Co2 you can NOT link to humans is from volcanoes and from jungles were humans have never been to or built anything with machines.
That's it.
You are far, far off the mark.
DUMBASS.
The oceans are killing what lives in them by becoming ACIDIC FROM TOO MUCH CO2. That's carbon dioxide POLLUTION. AS IN LETHAL POLLUTION.
How stupid can you be? Dumb enough to think you're a GENIUS?
The higher the heat the HIGHER THE CROP FAILURES - excess Co2 will NEVER be used for excess plant growth for OUR CROPS WHICH DIE FIRST IN THE HEAT.
You are the worst kind of stupid: the dumber you get the smarter you think you are.
You've done ZERO homework on this and yet preach to OTHERS to do so. WE HAVE. YOU'RE A FUCKING IDIOT.
Global warming is real & an EXTINCTION LEVEL EVENT. It WILL KILL BILLIONS. PERIOD.
It's too late to turn it back now, the last chance was 15 years ago.
Would you like Milk and Cookies?
He well may, but you are clearly grasping for a fucking clue...
Share one salient point about astrophysics...
How about post the nabla operator in spherical coordinates?
Are you competant enough to even google the answer???
I'm still waiting for you to actually prove that your theory on climate change is actually valid hero. That is the question that has been posed in the article as well as by a large percentage of the world.
You and your dipshits made the claim, the burden of proof is on you not me. Now if you would like to discontinue the pathetic personal distraction and show your proof that your theory is correct and I should be paying taxes for this line of bullshit feel free.
The Nabla Operator has absolutely nothing to do with Cosmology. I said Astrophysics was a bitch, because it was my worst class. It's why I never became an Astrophysicist. I fished my degree with a primary focus on Cosmology. If you had actually not been a douche you would have known I stated that earlier...
Hilarious...clearly you have never done any partial differentiation or written Maxwell's equations...
So what would G mu nu + Lambda g mu nu signify?
Name at least 2 candidates for CDM....
Climate Hubs ... for those with Climate Chubbies.
Hey where is my grant for computational fluid dynamics on a couple of buildings when all these science deniers are spending on Ken Lays nP complete fraud. It really baffles me how this model is goring the country into poverty. AND I AM THE SCIENCE DENIER? Tools
from wikipedia
"When Sir Isaac Newton was asked about the continuance of the rising of South Sea stock… He answered 'that he could not calculate the madness of people'."He is also quoted as stating, "I can calculate the movement of the stars, but not the madness of men"
Hubba hubba!
Fusion centers to fight demoniac terroristic CO2 at last!
Thunderbirds are go! Ready to perform a missile strike on your lawn company's string trimmer.
More government Keystone Kops to run around and stop productive things from happening unless those productive things are run by the .001% and provide plenty of rakeoff in the form of campaign contributions.
It would piss me off, but I can read the tea leaves (reference intended) that all of this stuff is going to be short-lived.
Whatever happened to the good old fashioned cooperative extension service?
While everyone is fussing with the elected red and blue officials, the unelected, unaccountable bureaucracy moves FORWARD!
Oh...and...WINNING!
"Today, they face a new and more complex threat in the form of a changing and shifting climate"
Because the climate has never shifted or changed before.
They're still farming in Greenland, right?
If only we could get mass publicity for this one solitary fact; it was warmer in 900AD, when the Vikings settled in Greenland, and named it, not in irony, and grew food there, and they grew wine grapes in England, than it is today; the whole fucking scam would collapse; but just try to get Rupert Murdock to put this fact on his TV monopoly.
Wouldn't it be terrible if we really entered a period of global warming, where northern Asia and Canada had growing seasons as long as our Midwestern farmers enjoy? All of that food? The horror! (If you're in the business of managing economies.)
So you gonna truck all that soil north?
Yeah, cause there aint no dirt under all that there snow.
Fuck man, even Minecraft got that much correct.
Hmmm, how about asking yourself what kind of soil is under the snow???? Next question, what kind of crops will that (permafrost/muskeg type soil) support?
Gee I wonder what happens when permafrost melts????
Lots of research on muskeg and permafrost soil mechanics (oil and gas patch and mining boys have been dealing with this shit for years)..
Are you so dumb as to believe ALL land is good farm land? Really? That dumb?
getting desperate, eh? Just give up; the truth always comes out in the end, anyway. do you really want to be on the side everyone is laughing at?
They laughed at Nicolaus Copernicus regarding his theory of "On the Revolutions of the Celestial Spheres" and they even charged Gaileo with heresy for "following the position of Copernicus, which is contrary to the true sense and authority of Holy Scripture."
Our lives are now driven by the "Holy Scripture" according to the "Corporatocracy".
dude, you ARE on the side everyone's laughing at.
One bonus: Mittleider Gardening method, no need for soil with sawdust & sand. Negative: so light that you can't drive farm vehicles through it. It would compress everything & ruin it. Great for gardening by hand.
Really? You think all that land, that soil, is suddenly fertile farming land just because it got warmer? Re-think that & also ask yourself a) how much is mountain (west coast) and b) how much is water (Hudson's bay).
Dumbass - pretty clear you don't live here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River_Thames_frost_fairs
Wont be seeing this either...
Check it out; the whole fucking thing depends entirely on a population that cannot think. Cannot. Now, that is frightening.
Meh, fear ye not. There's a point of overbalance where it self-corrects. Once Darwin stops getting interrupted, then its run what you brung.
The Soviets had "Soviet Climate Science"; cause it had to be different from that bad old capitalist climate science; and they told the farmers when they could plant, and what they could plant; and millions of people died in the ensuing agricultural famine. Quite a success story. If anything isn't completely fucked up already, just get the government to help, and it will be.
Like this pace? With us alive? No, that part's actually never happened before. In the dinosaur era, sure, but not in humanity's era.
climate hubs, the weather mutilators
Can each hub have a rollerball sports team?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IguzgGx7y-8
Since Fukushima radiation has no correlation with the massive sea-life dieoffs in the Pacific, and governments around the world have seen fit to increase the safe levels of radiation exposure.. why not just lob 100-200 nuclear missiles into... say... Iran... the ensuing dust cloud will cause a mild nuclear winter, partially obscuring the sun for several months and dropping global temperatures... kill 2 birds with 1 stone.
I'll be glad to research your very reasonable suggestion; but of course, I'll need a government grant to cover the expenses of the climate research vessel in Hawaii, and the Female Grad. Students, and so forth; you know, the usual.
Whenever you hear local, state, or federal government use the word 'hub', grab your wallet and run. My city, which has a terrible Napoleon complex, drags this word out every time they need to fleece the taxpayers - who excitedly rush forth to pay everything they have and more - for ridiculous projects. Expand a tiny airport? Why, it will make us an 'international hub'! Need a new baseball stadium? We'll be a 'sports hub'! Need a bigger shopping mall paid for by the taxpayers instead of the billionaire owner? We'll sell it as making our dead city a 'shopping hub'! You get the picture.
My favorite such word is "smart" as in smart growth, smart grid, smart savings. In any such context, "smart" is Newspeak for "lipstick on a pig".
I hope they keep this crap up - nothing infuriates people more than hearing about global warming when you've been shoveling massive amounts of snow and bearing freezing temperatures for months. Perhaps, just perhaps, a few of them will remember this at the voting booth this year.
One can only hope. It's gotten to point now where it's time to try a Republican; how could it be worse?
Unfortunately, this will all somehow still, and FOREVER, be Bush's fault.
In the past, when I would watch documentaries such as "The World at War" and watch people running to open pits with soldiers on top of the pits with machine guns, I often wondered why people would run into the pits, when it is rather obvious what would happen next.
I am starting to understand now.
Indeed: American ignorance is greatly hilighted in winter as if the entire planet is buried in snow when in fact Australia is now in SUMMER and it's damn fucking hot there.
Murrkinz are fuckin' dumb.
"Today's announcement is part of the President's Climate Action Plan to responsibly cut carbon pollution, slow the effects of climate change and put America on track to a cleaner environment."
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Export American industry to Asia/Africa where No One gives a fuck about climate change and Everyone is willing to pollute and destroy to make a quick bribe and a quick buck -all later to be repatriated as cash purchase of prime U.S. Real Estate and the sociopathic Politicains dominating the corrupt Two Party Cleptocracy.
You're not supposed to notice that part.
Climate Hubs, dedicated to coping.
We are lost.
Don't worry, in about 15 years the climate retards here will all be calling for stratospheric S02 spraying...
In fifteen years ! In fifteen years so much obvious global warming will have occured that it will seem reasonable to seed the atmosphere with Sulfate Aerosols. Have you considered the possibility that you might be crazy?
I was only referring to the retards of your ilk...
c'mon...I was getting bored with pointing out stupid shit that comes from your fingertips...but this one is pretty well up there enough that I have to log on here to point out your utter brainwashed idiocy once again.
come back when your climate analysis actually includes electromagnetism and you might have a fucking clue of why you're stone dead wrong about CO2 being a catastrophic pollutant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGwk4DQUI8U
Obama's position on climate change should be "You didn't cause that"
Yes; but then there's no excuse for moar government, and moar taxes. But that certainly would be correct; we didn't cause "that"; whatever that turns out to be.
Slash carbon and we'll be having no crops, and perhaps global freezing.
Nowhere near a shortage of Co2 for crop plants, but the excessive heat is killing them so fast the co2 isn't bringing any benefit. Every growing season's been like that for 3 years now.
Hopefully next time will be different.
SAT 800 : so damned right! Human body, about 18% carbon.
I confess, I am somewhat more than 18% carbon. I am a team player, how about I donate a load of carbon to help this effort ? I can send it to my congressman....
Carbon credits for the obese, for using their bodies as carbon sinks.
Carbon taxes for the slender.
/sarc
American34 However, if it's coal you're worried about, that's probably not what you're seeing.
I think the solution is simple. Plant trees :)
My city Johannesburg. Population 3.06M, number of trees +- 10M
Yes, that can only help...
I am burning those trees right now helps to warm up MN, thank me later if this is a bad time..
I do not have enough information about climate change to make a value judgment. What I do have some evidence is that the US government lies and cannot be trusted. Only people who cannot be trusted have something to hide... or however the saying goes.
Personally, I see no evidence in my world of systemic global warming that would be anything other than normal (over the very long term) variation.
Lacking real evidence, it is most logical to assume that the government is lying and that everything they are doing is to increase their control ... and nothing else.
Indeed. With the first lie, all credibility is lost.
Random thought! That was not random thought that was purposeful and followed a chain of logic and common sense tempered with maturity and experience. Flak and Mr. .Gov are going to be very upset with you..
What's normal is that to notice a difference you'd need to consult diaries & archives from your grandparents to have any reference at all of a difference.
Random--So true, and if there is climate change, lets see the data used and pertinent calculations and correlations. CO2 and Temp are no longer corelated since mid century (sorry al gore). Venus is undergoing severe climate change. National Geographic reported climate change on Mars was due to Solar events. Saturn climate is changing and the weather on Jupiter is so severely changed that one of it's stripes has disappeared. Could there be a common theme here ? Perhaps the SUN ?
The sun cannot be taxed, therefore it's not the sun.
See how that works?
...very simple. ;-)
To understand Climate Change (tm), you don't need physics and chemistry, you need history, economics, and political science.
Nihil novi sub sole...
Are you really that gullible...
Here is all the data have fun, ask questions if you like...
http://www.skepticalscience.com/trend.php
And if you really think the sun is curently driving things you should try to explain this to us:
http://www.skepticalscience.com/graphics/Solar_vs_temp_500.jpg
That dog done quit huntin' about 50 years ago...