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Europe Stunned, Angry As Switzerland Votes To Curb Immigration
This wasn't supposed to happen. At a time when the European Union, reeling from the ongoing near collapse of the Eurozone, has been preaching its key benefits - the removal of borders and the free transit of labor - moments ago Switzerland, with a tiny majority of 50.4%, voted in favor of new immigration curbs which requires the government to set an upper limit for foreigners, risking a backlash from the (utterly toothless) European Union.
In some ways this was a vote of the urban vs rural population: Voters in the cities of Zurich and Basel and cantons in western Switzerland opposed the measures, while those in rural German- speaking cantons and the Italian-speaking region of Ticino backed it, reports Bloomberg.
The problem for Europe is that the backlash against immigration was supposed to be a PIIG thing, having led to the surge of such nationalist parties as Golden Dawn in Greece, but they don't matter as the will of the "peripheral" people is completely ignored in Europe. However, now that one of Europe's most successful nations has opined against the free importing of labor, despite the prevalent perception that it has been one of the biggest beneficiaries of immigration, Switzerland has just left Europe's pro-migration propaganda in shambles. To wit, from Bloomberg:
Immigration has supported economic growth, and the EU bloc is Switzerland’s top export destination. Roughly a fifth of its 8 million inhabitants come from abroad. About 45 percent of employees in its chemical, pharmaceutical and biotech industry are foreigners, according to scienceindstries, an association whose members include drugmakers Roche Holding AG and Novartis AG, and food company Nestle SA.
“We do need to hire talented individuals,” Credit Suisse Group AG Chief Executive Officer Brady Dougan told reporters on Feb. 6. “Having access to talent is something that’s important for all the businesses here.”
In the run-up to the vote, the initiative “against mass immigration” pitted companies small and large against the euro- skeptic Swiss People’s Party SVP, the biggest in the lower house of parliament. Corporations argued they need top talent from around the world to maintain their competitive edge, while critics, many of them members of the SVP, said the flood of newcomers is leading to worse working conditions, crowded trains and a housing shortage.
The unexpected outcome may lead to some dramatic consequences for Switzerland: according to Thomas Kern, chief executive officer of Zurich Airport, a “yes” to the vote could even jeopardize the country’s aviation industry by forcing the re-negotiation of landing rights. “A lot is at stake,” he told the newspaper Blick in an interview published on Feb. 7.
In response about public unease about the number of newcomers, the government already enacted yearlong curbs on residence permits for citizens of EU countries including Germany and France. There are also quotas for citizens of non-EU countries such as Australia and Canada.
Ironically, it could get even worse for fans of free labor movement before it gets better: "in a sign of how anxious the Swiss population is about foreigners, another initiative, which would cap the immigration rate at 0.2 percent of the resident population, is in the pipeline. The government, which opposes that measure too, hasn’t set a voting date yet."
What remains unsaid here is that immigration will be the least of Swiss worries if, as the SNB has been warning for the past week, the Swiss housing market - already in an unprecedented bubble - undergoes a controlled demolition, precisely at a time when foreigners suddenly find themselves no longer welcome in the one-time netural utopia nestled within the tranquility of the Alps.
Regardless of the outcome for the Swiss economy, Europe is furious:
The vote also risks creating a rift between Switzerland and the EU, its biggest trading partner. The decision to open the borders 12 years ago was negotiated as part of a package of agreements that allow Swiss companies access to the common market, the government has warned.
According to European Commission President Jose Barroso, the free movement of persons was of “fundamental importance” and cannot be separated from the free exchange of goods, services and capital. “Within the framework of the bilateral agreement there are certain legal consequences,” Barroso told the Neue Zuercher Zeitung in an interview last November.
“That’s the open question -- one doesn’t know what the EU will do,” said Andreas Ladner, professor of public administration at the University of Lausanne. “The EU has indicated that the initiative violates its free movement of people and won’t be tolerated.”
So now that the unthinkable has happened, just what will the unelected European bureaucrats do to enforce its "untoleration" of the Swiss democratic vote": invade the mountainous country? Hardly.
Instead Europe will content itself with doing the only thing it knows how to do: use harsh language, in this case the following email it blasted out angrily in the aftermath of the Swiss vote, saying that "the European Commission regrets that an initiative for the introduction of quantitative limits to immigration has been passed by this vote. This goes against the principle of free movement of persons between the EU and Switzerland."
Most importantly, it also goes against the core European principle of ignoring what the majority wants because everyone in centrally-planned, banker-controlled, insolvent European nations knows- only a few "good" unelected bureaucrats know what is best for everyone. As such the democratic vote must always be ignored, especially when it goes against the thesis preached by the politicians, the central bankers, and, of course, Goldman Sachs.
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Only as long as the sheeple keep sleeping.
The muslims will take them away.
And stab you in the heart five times and have it declared a suicide.
http://piter.tv/event/Dagestanci_ubivshie_pete/
joseff bitch
are you jewish?
you sure have a hard on for muslims go to syria and fight them you fat fuck.
The muslims will take them away.
And stab you in the heart five times and have it declared a suicide.
http://piter.tv/event/Dagestanci_ubivshie_pete/
The (mythical) Snake in the Garden of Eden would disagree... "Try it, you'll like it... You will be like gods and your eyes opened".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country
Percentage of Islam in Switzerland is not insignificant - about the same as Sweden. Open SwIsslamization combined with a loose immigration policy is a no go - it brings nonproductive from Northern African and Mediterranean-bordering states. Plus now they've got hungry, well-educated Greeks, Spaniards, and Italians to worry about.
What does Switzerland make other than fancy watches and bank accounts again?
Chocolate?
Oh, and kilogram gold bars with Chinese markings on them.
Pakistan executes a mother for being Christian. See the desperation and tears of her children. The town cleric describes it as the happiest moment of his life.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8J_cqtdH26c&list=PLEC0E533E51B03B0A
cheese, chocolate, handy pocket knives...
And Heidi is hot!
Bankers & corporate whores like Nestle to steal your water.
Nestlé, Roche, Novartis, ABB, Xstrata, Swatch, Richemont, Giveaudan, etc.? All the biggest commodity dealers are where?
The Swedes also make some fine firearms! Oh and every 18 year old male is required to receive military training in their use.
The Swedes are from Sweden.
I think you are talking about the Swiss you ignorant united statean.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fEhy0H3fsM
Comrade Stalin, Glad to see you back. No, but really, I read the Swedish press frequently. Muslim rape in Sweden is a dirty secret they try and hide, but can not! Muslims have openly said that Swedish girls are asking for rape by the way they dress and act, so they rape them. But Swedish government trys to hide this fact, rape is a big problem in Sweden, this they admit, but who does the rapes, this they say not!
Remember article 58 Stalin? I think many European leaders are guilty of it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UjfyEle1h8
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_58_(RSFSR_Penal_Code)
Substitute the words "enemy combatant" for "enemy of the workers" and Article 58 starts looking very similar to certain recent US laws.
Ha! Ha! Article 58, was used to end the lives of millions of average soviet citizens on the whim of a mad man, i.e. Comrade Stalin. Comrade Stalin was not Russian, nor was Beria, his NKVD butcher, nor were the men who served before Beria, like "the bloody Dwarf" Yezhov. In fact, in the 1930's and 40-s 50's high Soviet leadership circles included few ethnic Russians, and one Molotov, was held hostage by the arrest of his wife, who could be tortured to implicate him as an enemy at any time. Stalin was quoted to have said he only saved Molotv's neck so that at least one Soviet leader was Russian. After Stalin, Ukrainians held Soviet Power until nearly the end. Solzhenitsyn, a famous anti soviet author, popular in the west, upon returning to Russia, wrote a book detailing all the names of the Soviet leadership circles from Stalin down to local party bosses, he documented the lack of ethinc Russians among them and he documented the high amount of jews involved. The printing of this book ended his fame in the west, and he now is a non person in western literary circles because he exposed by name who was the Soviet Communist Party, he lists them by name and by ethnic, religious and national identity. This flys in the face of Soviet Communism being a Russian invention.
The Multikult Left will eat itself. Heard about the Minnesota Democrat Caucuses yet?
I like to taunt Feminist activists pushing Open Borders with the line: "Oh, so you are Pro-Rape then?" After they finish spluttering their Coca Cola Multikult marketing nonsense, hit 'em with the Hate Facts. They'll deny it, call you all sorts of nasty PC terms for heretic, but the splinter has been fully lodged in their minds.
The joke at the time was they hadn't needed it - because they had always told their husbands how they should vote.
Effectively, it emancipated MEN.
The next phase of the muslim migration:
After they reach acertain percentage of the population, this what they do:
Uygur mobs killing Chinese clip 2 of 3. July 5, 2009 Urumqi, Xinjiang, China.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQZVY7wDxYE
You do know that Xianjiang was predominantly Uyghur/Turkic before the Chinese began arriving you ignorant trol? If you didn't then you're clearly stupid because that information is easily googable or has the StormFront crowd not got around to teaching you that yet?
So, by your logic... it would be okay for Palestinians to slaughter Israeli Jews? And you'd be a "racist" to criticize it?
Is that right?
1970's....
what an unlucky decade for swiss man :P
/sarc off
Yeah, I won't be surprised if the EU try to say this vote didn't count and another vote needs to be taken...kinda like they did with Ireland.
Switzerland is not part of the EU, at least not officially. Which I guess makes it even easier for the EU to blackmail them should they wish. Relevant to this article Switzerland has made agreements with the EU on the free movement of people, so I guess it's only natural that Bryssels is not too happy about the Swiss going against the agreements.
Correct, the Swiss will do, and have always done what is good for the Swiss. They have never wanted to be part of the E.U., although they do have a number of contracts with companies in E.U. countries.
I look at the swiss with some envy, as everyone has to serve in the Military and every head of household must maintain a fully automatic rilfe with several thousand rounds at all times. The swiss are some of the most pleasant and intelligent people I know, they know how to handle being stuck in the middle of a world war and survive just fine. The bigger flag I see is in their banking practices, I think they see another collapse/world war coming and are in fact preparing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland
Good write-up. Doesn't mention "Fully automatic" or "several thousand rounds". Mentions 50 rounds to get to the barracks,,,
But it might not be updated....
I know several folks there. Active and the National Guard equivalent keep their primary weapons at home, not on the military base (where the political puppets can seize them - FYI, this has happened before in America). By the way, wikipedia is not a reliable source of information.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDacjKKkKSk
Josef Stalin, fuck off you idiot, and find a venue more suitable to your pea sized brain
U mad bro?
Obviously, they are keeping their primary guns at home, not at some base. Did not imply otherwise, hence the need for some rounds to get to the barracks to do their job/responsibility.
Have found Wiki a good source of info, sometimes wrong, but has more self correcting than many other partisan sources. Actually the secondary tab, where discussion occur is also very interesting though I bet less accurate.
Corrupt politicians are the problem, period. Eventually, when confronted with losing their power, corrupt politicians will use police force to maintain control. Don't think it can happen in America? Google "The battle of Athens".
Swiss politicians ordered 13 mm rounds of anti swine flu vaccinations for a poulation of 8 mm. Makes sense, from a lobbyist perspective.
They can keep their issue weapon (SG 550, select-fire) at home, and are issued 72 rounds of ammo that they have to be able to account for. They are also encouraged to practice with their weapon, and can buy gov't subsidized ammo at the shooting ranges. Ammo and weapons are all over the place. Still more tightly controlled than the US, but they have a wider array of goodies available.
There is no such thing as a good (English language) write-up of gun politics in Switzerland. A couple sealed boxes of free ammo is standard issue for reservists, but you also get subsidized ammo at the ranges (but you're not "supposed" to take the subsidized stuff home), but it can be purchased cheap at any cop shop. More importantly, the ratio of M4s to AR15s in the US would be a good analogy to the ratio of Sturmgewehr 90 to Semi-Automatic Sig 550s in Switzerland. The notion of "gun rights" isn't as legally enshrined as in the US, but the Swiss Federal Gun law has loopholes that the original US 10th amendment would be envious of. However, there are some truly bizarre, irrational, and frustrating quirks with the current state of Swiss Federal Firearms regulation. The Swiss prize accuracy (300m iron sights for assault rifles from age 16, and 50m single hand pistol 9mm and 22lr are standard) and they detest noise pollution, and using more bullets than necessary to achieve an objective. However, silencers and lasers are a no-no (without a truckload of paperwork and a lot of assistance to drive through through one those competing levels of .gov loopholes)....
the subsidized ammo is the best! Can,t wait for spring to go back to the range, for the somewhat mandatory shooting exercise.
I wonder whether this vote, if it's legislated for, will be retrospective. It can't be really, due to the large number of non-Swiss currently residing in Switzerland. So will we see a rush for Swiss residency in the run up to any binding legislation?
So how does this effect the BIS for example, who employ over 45 nationalities or whatever? They have their immunity rules etc, so nothing the Swiss do can overrule that. This applies to lots of int orgs including FIFA, UEFA, International Olympic Council, International Labour Organisation etc, it's a very, very long list...look it up....
No retroactivity here. No banana republic stuff. Tomorrow is Monday, everybody will go to work and nothing will happen.
The issue is the EU and the EU citizens (and the Swiss in the EU). The gov has now 3 years to negociate. The EU citizens cannot automatically resettle in CH anymore.
Actually it will be beneficial for non EU qualified migrants. Contingents in swissspeak means that the economic sector asks for a number of qualified workers, the gov approves it (if there are no Swiss or foreigners resident available), and then the economic sector can find them on the whole planet.
So definitely good for North/South Americans and Asians.
In other words White Christian Eastern Europeans and some Western Europeans are not welcome anymore in Cheeseland, but brown people from Pakistan will have no obstacle getting there.
Hahaahhaa!!
'White Christian Eastern Europeans' - Believe it or not David Cameron that mention during the 2nd Greek bail-out that Britain, and presumably other large EU countries like France/Germany, do have the power to block Greek migrants from emigrating to the British Isles without violating EU free labour directive.
'But brown people from Pakistan will have no obstacbes getting there' - if they're skilled surgeons why not? They'll just be on an equal footing with the Greek doctor or should skin complexion over-ride technical competency?
Me - I take the Doug Stanhope view on immigration:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_iBOEDb7PM
Do you rememebr full metal jacket punk?
For me a foreigner is a human being, and if he can help us, he is welcome, if not, you guess.
And I prefer hot eastern europens chicks than acid sprayed Pakistani women. I've noticed your stupid and racist comments all over the place. Why so much hate? What is your problem? Go pray your invisible god that is recording everything still better than the NSA.
But don't feed the troll... Avoid the Troll.
Still, this vote can't have any effect on the international orgs and institutions with HQ in Switzerland. In my understanding these articles of association etc from BIS etc are sacrosanct.
International Investment Banks and the wealth managers will hardly take it lying down either, nor the jewellery and luxury goods sector, amongst others.
They are ready for a Euro collapse, that is for sure lol...
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-01-31/if-the-euro-collapses-th...
"they know how to handle being stuck in the middle of a world war and survive just fine"
2x times ;)
first and second world war
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOmNZVda2ek
Europe angry, Europeans envious.
I guess meeting Oprah Winfrey up close and personel has made the Swiss realize that even rich foreigners can be unpleasant unnecessary and unwelcome.
And the employee in the shop was a foreign worker too..... But, hey, don't let facts derail a good raciiiist story.
Yeah, Oprah's a racist. We know.
Well then, "fuck the E.U"!
EU: 'Best 2 out of 3'.
It's the Muslims, stupid. They rape all the women and kill all the men.
while smoking hashish in their hookas
It actually occured to you or ever witnessed it you gurning Brevik-wannabe? If you have I offer my sincerest apologies but if not THEN YOU A LOSER OF EPIC PROPORTIONS, YOU KNOW WHY? Me thinks you lost your girlfriend to an AYRAB/Black Pick Up-Artist who probably has a harem of blondes who wouldn't give you the time of the day. You might think brown is an ugly colour but on you the envious colour of green makes you look even more loathsome then an Elephant man.
Shut up already.
Poor, poor EU.
The USA tells the EU "f**k them" and now the Swiss don't want their people. Mostly, the non EU who come in through the EU.
The Chicago tradition is to recount those votes until the desired result occurs.
Does this immigration limit apply to gold? I think not...
Switzerland: "We welcome your gold with open arms. For a very long stay or just passing through. We don't care. We provide luxurious accommodation for your gold, such as under the Bundesplatz in Berne or under Kloten airport or under the Credit Suisse building in Utelihof Zurich, as well as a whole host of other destinations. We will even send your gold to get pampered in a refinery, where it will come out feeling and looking like a London Good Delivery bar. Switzerland, don't send us your huddled masses (or your tungsten), send us your Gold! "
Why can't we impose the reverse fore Alabama? Limit the number that can leave the State except in time of war.
Your proposal might be appropriate for Lower Alabama,
but what do you have against Upper Alabama?
People of western nations are, in general, getting pissed with non western immigration, while the PC crowd live in gated communities garded by thugs so they don't have to put up with what their policies have wrought. Sure some immigration is required, mainly of people who wish to start a business or educated ones depending on the field of endeavour, but of late, here in Toronto all I see are more and more people capable of driving taxis.
I just came back from Walmart ( yeah I know, dipshitville) and of 14 people in front of me at check-out and 2 behind I was the ONE and only white person-the rest looked like Muslims or Indians ( from India), almost all talking gibberish. The wife gets a little mad at me for saying stuff like that but even she is coming around to the point of this immigration here becoming BS. Our fukin gov is even giving English classes to these people paid by our taxes while my kids have a tough time getting a job. Christ , when you move here I thought it was a given you knew how to speak English, FFS, or, since this is Canada,at least FRench. But NO, we bring em over , they get benefits, and then we teach em English. It's Fukin Nutz. We're even getting illegals from SA here , somehow they get into the US and are stupid enough in some cases to come here, even in winter! ALL to vote for the demented Libereral Party. At one time Canada only brought in people primarily from western Europe, Australia and the US. Those places seem to be treated like pariahs now in favour of northern Africa, Indonesia Pakistan and every other STAN. Enuf and I think the Swiss are right. FUCK the EU, indeed
When I go home for a visit, to a hometown that always mostly white but had a large chinese community, for morning rush hour, the people getting off the bus from other parts of town are almost all indians, with a smattering of chinese and a few blacks.
Now, I have no problem at all with Indians, or with legal immigrants, but virtually all of them are here on work visas working at engineering, IT/sfotware gigs - there is no serious argument they're doing work "Americans won't do" - they are displacing Americans and driving wages down.
Can't blame them, and they certainly seem like nice, hard working people, but this isn't good for the country. It's good for a certain financial services company that has not only been offshoring jobs for years but has been aggressively importing foreign workers.
Why shouldn't we tax companies like that up the ass? Most of their profits still come from the US.
I live in a rural lake area popular with the Indian visa high tech workers in the greater Minneapolis Metro area. They are coming by the boat load, and indeed, they work for less than your average American High Tech worker. Business can easily juice their earnings by making large sections of their information technology departments Indian.
It's called Free Market you lazy fat racist fuck.
You fucking united stateans like the Free Market when it benefits you, but not when the market is against you.
All united stateans are a bunch of fat lazy fucks scared shitless of "brown people".
It's called wage arbitrage.
"It's called Free Market you lazy fat racist fuck."
said the village idiot, who in a previous comment, said fuck to all belgians because they are not a nation but all pedophiles..
and you call other racists?
i would be really ashamed if i were you.
jack burton - they don't actually 'juice' their earnings. nothing is really getting done right now except trying to maintain earnings and reduce costs. so they reduce costs by hiring gandhi - who really isn't capapble of doing anything. if work was in their culture, they wouldn't all be here and whining about how poor their country was. so they bring them here - on paper - 'head count hasn't gone down' (that's a bad sign, get it? layoffs really mean, the company is not growing and not hiring more). so head count is the same, costs have gone down - profits haven't collapsed. these clowns are place holders
i just can't see how few people understand how this is working.
So the jobs exist just to fill head count and the companies are filling these jobs where nothing needs to be done with cheaper foreign non-labour and not costlier domestic non-labour. Essentially the companies feel like paying some money to some people for doing nothing and Americans are bargaining for more than they would pay (for doing nothing) and foreigners are accepting what is offered (for doing the same nothing)? Do you have a complaint somewhere in there?
yes. it is called 'keeping head count'. you replace somebody expensive with somebody cheap BUT YOU DO NOT ELIMINATE the position. that way, you might get it back at some point.
the are mostly placeholders.
the h1b visas are here to TAKE OUR JOBS. THEY TOOK MINE ONCE ALREADY. I AM NO JOKING. they are not here to be your friend. they are here because they are CHEAPER. and right now, banks are only living of QE - so they are trying to keep cost down, because it does not matter if they employee good people - there is nothing to 'get done'. just keep up the appearance of not laying off 50%
Then get a swastika tattoo and get with the program you racist fuck.
So earlier you got paid for doing nothing and now someone else is getting paid a lot less for doing the same nothing. What would you have the company do, pay you double of your previous salary for doing double of the same nothing?
way to go swissies!
Swiss culture and bloodline will survive. Kudos to them for breaking ranks.
nothing a few chevy and coke ads can't destroy
It is the second time in 1 year (first was the Miller initiative on more shareholder control of quoted companies) that people in Switzerland chose freedom over money.
The people spoke AND where listent to.
Really a first in the EU.
but they arent in the EU..
In Brussels they think the Swissies are, and who are we to doubt........or better, how dare we to doubt.
"Really a first in the EU"
man that's because Switzerland is NOT part of the EU. Had it been, such votation would have never happened. The EU are now some sort of a super-capitalist Gulag.
It's strange how corporations want to protect their monopolies, market share and intellectual property but shock and horror if a nation wishes to protect its population, its borders and its general standard of living and amenity.
It's going to be a slow road back, but eventually the globalisation of human movement will have to become more qualitative and tourist oriented rather than as a means of escaping one nation's problems and foisting them on another.
Until rich nations, who have become rich by exploiting the majority of poor people of this Planet, rich nations who have ruthlessly exploited continents during the centuries of colonialism and imperialism, enslaved millions, until those nations start to share the wealth and help poor people uplift themselves, immigration will always exist.
Why did Rome fall?
Corruption and people's complacency to an easy life as a citizen of rich Rome.
A citizen of rich Rome enjoying a nice lifestyle doesn't fancy the idea of enrolling in a legion and go die for the Caesar fighting those barbarians. Complacency. Apathy.
You Westerners think that you can "protect" yourselves by building high walls. All this anti-immigration talk just shows that the Western populace is getting old and scared by the poor dirty barbarians they helped create in the first place.
If you people in the West think you can go about robbing other people of their natural resources, putting on a show about "democracy & freedom" while you kill and maim the natives, you are very mistaken.
The meek and poor shall inherit the Earth. Not you rich Westerners that have become rich by making sure others stay poor.
I'm against massive immigration. But not by scapegoating the poor of this Planet just for beeing poor and desperate.
Who is creating refugees in muslims countries?
Who the fuck is creating war in the Middle East?
Who sponsors the rebels in Syria?
Who the fuck robs the Africans and South Americans of their natural resources?
Zionists.
USA captured 100 yrs ago.
<Stands up applauds>
Exactly. Immigration occurs because of push and pull factors: The pull factors (e.g. higher standard of living, employability etc) is obvious but what push factors (e.g. economic and political instability in home country, natives losing property rights to multinationals based in Switzerland - won't name which ones but it makes this vote rather ironic - to the point of destitution, CIA/Pentagon funded regime change etc) rarely get discussed.
Why would the fat albino westerners discuss the CIA/MI6/Pentagoon funded massive exploitation of others on this Planet?
The West has spent all its resources and all it has left is to rob everyone else of their resources.
Do you think that fat united stateans are not happy they can enjoy a comfortable life style with cheap energy at the cost of those brown people in the Middle East ( which they aldo radicalize so they can also continue to wage war and steal resources) or the blacks of Africa or the whites of Eastern Europe?
Fuck the West and the Westerners.
leaf of the tree - then why don't you guys do something about it? are you too stupid or weak?
oh - i get it. you are too advanced and 'peaceful'? i really do understand. sit under the tree watching your belly button and eating mangos peacefully and let the white man who stole everything from you (and killed you) deal with his karma?
LOL! You don't seem to be paying attention. The "third world" has drained the Western capacity to produce anything of significant value, by opening itself upto Western capital. All they have to do now is come out with a non-Western international trading currency, to hit the final nail in the Western coffin.
you probably dont even know what is internal consumption.
third world produces. first world consume.
if the first world stop consuming, who will buy all the crap that the 3rd world produces`?
"Until rich nations, who have become rich by exploiting the majority of poor people of this Planet..."
Until poor nations give a hearty thank you for finding their oil, drilling it, shipping it, building the fucking tankers and engineering the pipelines and the Suez Canal to ship it through, I don't give a flying fuck what they think they're entitled to. They're certainly not entitled to destroy my country by coming here and squatting on the welfare plantation, aided and abetted by White Guilt-peddling socialists like yourself.
"Until those nations start to share the wealth and help poor people uplift themselves..."
Hello? Are you typing on a computer? Western Man built that. Relaying your messages via satellite or undersea cable? Western Man built those too. And this whole internet thing? Shall I go on? Did you eat today? Western man sowed the seeds, and built the infrastructure to bring it to you. Are you indoors? Are you using electricity? Do you have plumbing? Are you not using the English language? Ingrate.
"Who the fuck robs the Africans and South Americans of their natural resources?" A better question is, why can't these people develop their own resources? Oil is just one example. It was always there, but camels and massacres were apparently of greater interest. Iron Age tribesmen, sitting on an ocean of wealth, not even knowing it was there. And no development whatsoever until the EEEvil Colonial Capitalist of historical revision showed up to "rob" them of it. Colonialism and Capitalism wasn't perfect, but they're the only thing that brought literacy, water treatment, medicine, electricity, transportation, and architecture to the benighted Stone and Iron Age tribesmen of the resource-rich, diligence-poor Third World.
You want wealth? Build it. Mine it. Grow it. Develop it. Defend it. Shit isn't free. Life isn't fair. You don't like it? Go live in a dung hut and herd goats. Have fifteen starving, illiterate children. Arm them with some surplus AKs, so they can go gang rape and torture the neighbors. Put it on youtube, or hire Bob Geldof to come sing some songs and perform some Big White juju for you. But don't blame capitalism or colonialism for your problems, thank you. I'm putting down the White Man's burden.
Socialism, the politics of Envy.
Go fuck yourself.
The time for egotistical maniacs like you is coming. You will choke on your selfish material and consumeristic ways. And you will not find pity and understanding in what you call The Third World.
Not looking for understanding or pity.. I know what I'll find: hominids squatting among the ruins of the colonial infrastructure that they could neither create nor maintain, singing tribal songs about Killing the Boers or somesuch.
I'm not sure you could have provided a better illustration of Kobe's point.
Great Post Kobe.
Cultures that were stone-age 500 years ago would still be stone-age today without the West's colonisation of their territories.
What if there had been no colonisation?
The inhabitants would have neither the literacy nor the internet to discuss this topic.
Their infant mortality rate and life expectancy would still be stone-age.
One wonders what they would make of the giant silver birds crossing their skies.
" Hello? Are you typing on a computer? Western Man built that."
Western??? Question: WHERE IS the border excactly that separates the Eastern Man from the Western Man?
Just asking
I don't see Westerners thanking the Chinese or Indians for using their invetions like printing and place value number systems. Not sure why the others should thank the Westerners for using their inventions. I am sure you will be congratulating yourselves on your greatness in murdering and plundering the world for your benefit and the great inventions long after the rest of the world has left you in the barbaric existence that you lived in prior to your coming to know and use the Chinese invention of gun powder to release your murdering and plundering instincts and the existence you will return to when the global financial system that you designed to continue your plunder by other means collapses.
But hey, no one will stop you! Some may look at you with pity, but most will not bother to find out what you think of them or yourselves. Carry on!
Who is creating refugees in muslims countries?Who the $%^& is creating war in the Middle East?
Who sponsors the rebels in Syria?
Who the $%^& robs the Africans and South Americans of their natural resources?
Hey! I know! It's them damn Jews. We know all about this.
For the elites and intellectuals soverign nations ARE corporations. Merely tax farms where laws are made to best funnel money into the pockets of the elite.
In ages past at least you knew where the Barron lived (usually that castle or keep thingy up the hill). Do you know who your banker is? Or where he lives? The Barron could flee the wrath of the peasantry about as fast as a horse. How fast can your banker's private jet fly?
Oh no! Has anyone gotten a statement from Barbara Spectre regarding this racist tragedy anti-free market anti-diversity hate?
What about from Alan Shatter in Ireland???
What about Michael Danby, the Jewish-Australian politician who went to Jerusalem and agreed with Likud that while Israel couldn't possibly accept the, what was it, "free movement of labor," there would be no reason not to send them all to Australia...indeed, Danby is not alone in his selective graciousness.
What did Netanyahu call the movement of free labor again? Oh yes, a "calamity"
Notice a pattern?
Go back to sleep....
With all the global kleptocrats moving and making plans to move to Switzerland, the Swiss don't need more Eastern Europeans or Middle Eastern types. The Swiss vaults are full of loot.
hopefully Germany will do this next.
The usual suspects there are the most vociferous advocates of open borders. For European/derived nations only, of course.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuYKtwnzG7M
http://defendthemodernworld.wordpress.com/2013/11/19/islamversuseurope-i...
Israeli Rabbi Says Jews Should Rejoice That Europe Is Losing Its IdentityThe Jewish origins of multiculturalism in Sweden
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/category/jewish-support-for-multicu...
I realize that certain sociological and political truths you aren't supposed to speak about, but I consider such a rule hypocritical, deleterious, myopic, and designed to protect the power of a supranational minority over national majorities - not to prevent "hate" or discrimination, which remain bad things even when it is minorities engaging in them.
http://balder.org/judea/Hate-Speech-Laws-Immigration-Jewish-Influence-US...
Awesome! They certainly don't want to end up like the multicultural cesspool called NYC!
"New York City, once America’s greatest and most famous metropolis, is now a crime-ridden hell where nonwhites commit 95% of all murders, 90% of all rapes, 90% of Felony Sex Crimes, 96% of all robberies, 91% of all Felonious Assaults, 90% of all Grand Larceny offenses, 86% of all Misdemeanor Sex Crimes, 90% of all Misdemeanor Assault and Related offenses, 87% of all Petit Larceny offenses, 84% of all Misdemeanor Criminal Mischief offenses, 96.6% of all Shooting offenses, and constitute 90.8% of all firearm arrests, 86.3% of all Drug Felony arrests, 82.3% of all Felony Stolen Property arrests, and 94.5% of all Felony and Misdemeanor Complaint Records with Identified Juvenile Victims, Suspects and Arrestees—all this according to official figures released by the New York City Police Department."
http://newobserveronline.com/nonwhite-crime-apocalypse-envelops-new-york...
http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_planning/crime_a...
http://dailykenn.blogspot.com/2012/07/why-blacks-attack-old-white-people...
Yes, and the people of Upstate NY wish they could get a divorce from NYC.
They feel about NYC the same as many Europeans feel about Brussels.
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2624/moroccan-crime-netherlands
"Forty percent of Moroccan immigrants in the Netherlands between the ages of 12 and 24 have been arrested, fined, charged or otherwise accused of committing a crime during the past five years, according to a new report commissioned by the Dutch Ministry of Interior."
it's a nice idea to be nice to everybody. it takes a long time to recycle trash into something usefull. switzerland is right.
IT WAS AN EXPERIMENT ON THE PART OF CORPORATIONS TO GET CHEAPER LABOR. IT'S NOT WORKING! AS CITIZENS, STOP IT.
There's more of the same to come - just a matter of time.
Until another European country votes (at elections) - "Fuck the EU". In May there will be another wake-up call for all the Eurocrats.
Matter of 2-3 years I say until the first EU country has a government opposing the EU. It's inevitable.
2-3 years - maximum - left to prepare before the Euro craters below parity.
Does this also include money of EU citizens parked at Swiss banks?
What will the EU do? Impose some form of sanctions by annulling trade agreements? Or will they just use hard language and leave it at that because for sure some EU burocrats have Swiss bank accounts.
"What will the EU do?"
Strongly condemn, I imagine.
EU countries should impose special taxes to Swiss companies like Nestle for example.
If it's made in Cheeseland or the money goes back to a Cheeseland bank account impose a sale tax of 80%.
Also every EU citizen that has a bank account in Cheeseland should be stripped of his nationality. Mostly rich fucks and mafia types have bank accounts in Swuss banks.
People look at the swiss as some paragons of virtue, when in reality they are the HQ of the Beast. Basel. You fuckers.
It's easy for them to have an industrial economy when every mafia fucker on this planet, every corrupt politician deposits black money in Swiss bank accounts.
It's the most despicable and vile country in the world, and yet everyone thinks that Santa Claus lives there. No, its the headquarters of Davos men and its been like like this for centuries.
No country will ever invade Switzerland because its the official bug out place for plutocrats. As long as they bring in loot and gold, they're welcomed and protected.
Yes.
Also Cheeseland is a country where masonic and satanic churches are basically at home.
Geneva and Zurich are full of masonic activity and luciferian cult members.
The swiss benefit from the Fiat Central Banking scam and black mafia money yet people here look at them as some sort of paragons.
yup.
geneva zurich and basel is where all the rothschild monies is piped through.
this is a satanic masonic country based on stolen monies abroad,blood money buried and hidden in country.
what do they fucking do
banking.
they have built security systems in place to close off the country from invader why?
when people find out where all the stolen money went they will wanna get a little revenge dirty up the scrubbed streets.
part of the vatican city of london child raping nexus
U stupide moron, take some private lessons in history, dumbass
It's nice to see that the level of discussion is on the upswing lately.
"in reality they are the HQ of the Beast. Basel. You fuckers"
Nice left-wing rant but the capital city is Bern, not Basel, you idiot!
You fucker.
I did not claim that Basel is the capital of Cheeseland.
Basel is the capital of the Beast of International Fiat Central Banksters you fucking imbecile.
don't run after headless chicken...
The F word is now a rage in Europe...thanks to that American apparatchik point woman in Ukraine.
Perhaps he refers to the BIS in Basel.
But hey, Israel, the USA and NK are so much better.
And it is not because a parasite resides in you that you like it. Davos people are dangerous, so better keep a close eye on them.
There are multiple candidates in that category...
Would Switzerland become different in the respects you are complaining about if it just allowed free European immigration? I don't think so.
As for the blackmail tactics you are proposing for the EU countries against Switzerland, I am sure EU can try if they feel like it. I don't think the people of EU countries are doing the Swiss corporations a favour by dealing with them.
Ha you should have seen the face of the pro-EU dyke anchorwoman on French/German TV channel Arte tonight (Marie Laborie). She was frothing at the mouth in anger at the Swiss vote.
That was priceless : and of course she "explained" to us that all the people who voted "no" are racist fascist retards.
Switzerland 1 - EU 0
LOL ! Great description. I can just see her now, shitting her pants on TV
All in all this is a signal victory for Europe. Britain must be allowed such a vote and all others too.
As a Swiss, I would like to add the following: our country now inhabits roughly 8 Mio people. 15 years ago, we were dealing with 7 Mio. If one would of the Brussels idiots would pay attention, he/she would realize, that only about 1/3 of the country has to absorb all this population growth. the rest is mountains, lakes or else peripheral parts. In essence, the 1 Mio people more are cramping in between Zurich, Bern and Basel. And, not to forget, between Lausanne and Geneva.With a net immigration of 80'000 p.a., we are looking at 10 Mio people within the next 10-12 years. Unfortunately, the infrastructure of our tiny country is not keeping up with all this. This weekend's vote was not about pro or cons of immigration or a statement about Europe. It is just common sense. I for my part wished for a tight race with keeping the status quo, i.e. continue immigration. The resistance in Europe (UK, France, Netherlands, Finland et al)would solve the issue for Switzerland in due time. The european project is done. It is an illusion of elitist intellectuals in Brussels who don't get it, that you can't flatten national identity with mass distribution of nationals from east to west and south to north. A Portuguese has nothing to do with Finish national. A Greek has nothing to do with a Spaniard and a Frenchman has nothing to do with a Bulgarian. It will take generations to overcome all the diversity and attitudes and stereotypes.
In the meantime, we Swiss have to play to sandbag for Europe again to be hit on. But, ultimately, I think it is worthwile since we Swiss stupids at least got a fair democratic chance to voice our opinion where the rest of Europe is just following a bunch of non elected beaurocrats in Brussels. I only hope that at least the British will grab their chance if Dave gives them at least the chance to vote.
"we Swiss stupids at least got a fair democratic chance to voice our opinion where the rest of Europe is just following a bunch of non elected beaurocrats in Brussels"
Yup that's 100% true. We're held on a leash by some corrupted asshole from Estonia or Malta.
Excellent analysis.
I agree with your point regarding the status quo that may have been improved by itself thanks to the internal-EU debate.
Today is history. Our choice may thoroughly impact, or provide impetus to their internal debate. Gonna be fascinating. Hopefully we are not that undermined economically speaking.
Let,s not forget that the Federal Council, the Senat, the congress as well as all political parties, except the SVP, were against the vote. SVP won, never the less by a small margin. This shows that a) the politicians don,t give a shit about the people and b) that people have enough of infinite growth especially in terms of mostly uneducated foreigners. At least the Swiss have a chance to vote, unlike most other countries on this planet. Switzerland is unique with its direct democracy. Its not a perfect system, but miles better than the EU corporate dictatorship.
Very well said, Doom.
I have visited your country twice to visit family and found it to be amazing. You guys pay very high prices for everything but it appears the money is dispersed fairly and productively. No country can withstand forced migration on the scale the globo-bozos are pushing. After all, isn't diminishing national character the goal?
On us Brits and the EU...Cameron's playing a very carefully calibrated game.
No British Prime Minister wants to go down in history as the guy who pulled Britain out of Europe. Not least because no one - despite ranks of "experts" - knows what would happen, economically, if we did.
Cameron's game is to do some trivial renegotiation with EU crats, big-up whatever he achieves and then strongly advise voters to stay in the EU based upon his list of meaningless repatriated powers to Westminster. When he wins the referendum (as he will because a majority of people are scared of the uknown), he'll issue a sigh of relief.
The question of the EU will not get raised again for a generation by which time the UK will be called "a region of the United States of Europe".
Cameron won't be PM in 2017, so one way or another the matter will be up to someone else.
The one good thing Cameron has done is destroy the LibDems through his alliance with them. After the next election the government will be either Labor or a Conservative / UKIP alliance. UKIP won't ally with a Cameron led Tory party and it will insist on either pulling out of the EU or a referendum on exiting.
That may mean it will be a Labor minority government. But in any case Cameron won't be PM after the next election.
I agree with you: the LibDems are gonna get shredded. But Red Ed Miliband simply ain't up to the job. He's a joke. A fool. A marionette. I cannot see him winning the GE. It may come down to how much more largesse from the Treasury he offers the useful idiots.
I will vote NO EU
By the way did I say Fuck the EU? ................................No???!!!!!
FUCK THE EU
fuck Baroso
Fuck Van Wet RagBank Clerk
Fuck Merkel .......well If I have to
Your numbers don't add up:
He meant the total population, not added
Sometimes they have kids....
immigration is not 80'000 every year. sometimes a few tenthousands more, then some less. I'm glad you take it serious....
" A Portuguese has nothing to do with Finish national. A Greek has nothing to do with a Spaniard and a Frenchman has nothing to do with a Bulgarian."
and a north african has nothing to do with any of you, except LAUGHING at the stupidity of the europeans as he steals and pilfers everything he can from you because you are some many so weak and stupid and wanting to be politically correct.
i enjoy watching my european friends as they visit nyc and they really don't understand - no - they really are going to bite you these animals. animals bite. they are hungry, you have food, they will try to take it.
Funny thing though that Cameron may give the Brits the vote to leave the EU, but he doesn't want Scotland to leave the UK.. Double standards?
"Toothless europe"; yes in terms of people's voice. But not toothless Europe in terms of Oligarchy's voice and there lies the rub.
Nestlle is dead against anything that 1°) creates barriers which can ALIENATE its consumers (via taxes on Swiss products in EU zone, possible knee jerk) and 2°) makes production costs of Swiss fabrics (via imposing foreign work quotas) HIGHER for the Multinationals.
Its the Euro Corporates that benefit most from freedom of movement of products and people that this referendum curtails. They LOVE optimising their taxes and using low cost labour arbitrage intra europe.
This will initiate a sinister fight between people and corporates all over Europe, not just in Swiss; as this may be the first salvo of that fight now coming to Euro Parliament in march elections. Watch out for Euroskeptic backlash.
Just like Ukraine is front line in Eu/Russian divide, just like Syria is front in Pax Americana ME Sunni/ Shia strategy --something which now may be changing-- the Swiss vote could express a coming standoff between people voicing local issues centred on quality of life and social issues and Corporates who only believe in short term profit and their bonuses/dividends/stock options.
Civilization chimes in global world now sound ominous in terms of potential conflicts.
#EmpireeUrope Appalled As #Switzerland Dares To Maintain Its Culture
(title fixed)
Deport all muslims and refuse entrance to any others... ah, what a great day that would be... but with Val Jarrett and her puppet Chakka Caca Obongo Al Sharia in charge... i doubt that ever gets done...
ZeroHedge is now a place of white supremacists gatherings.
Stupid people that think that just because far right movements are popping up in Europe right now as a perceived "stick it to the Man" alternative, when in reality these far right groups are sponsored by TPTB to usher in a neofascist world order.
The duality communism-fascism is being sponsored by the banksters to further their agenda.
They sponsor leftist groups to get some measures in place. Then they stoke fears up and put neonazis in place to get other measures in place.
And the fat pimpled geeks of ZeroHedge living in urban areas but acting as if they are all some lone wolf prepper all armed to the teeth ready to fight the muslim/mexican invasion off, are too stupid to even realize how they are fooled and played by TPTB.
Just like the communists have their useful idiots, so do the neonazi movements
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I don't have pimples. Also i'm not fat, it's a glandular problem.
I'm not fat. It's all this fur. It makes me look...... poofy.
White supremacist gatherings?
I have no problem with immigration whatsoever. It should be done slowly in a way that the newcomers can be absorbed and fit in with daily life. Forced migration dumps completely disparate people into places where they have little business or means to support themselves. What good does that do? It just drains the state and ultimately the taxpayer supporting the state. It is in place to diminish national character etc.
Naturally, TPTB utlize the method you described above so as to divert attention away from themselves but the second you call it what it is, "Forced Migration" I think that immediately neutralizes any support for right-wing activities. Regardless of where those parties come from, they are a reaction to a problem. All one has to do is wonder what the origins of the problem are.
So, whether fat pimple-faced geeks or not, the vast majority of Zh readers understand this. Overall, I say that is better than being a GQ model and not knowing your ass from a hole in the wall.
I'm also against massive immigration.
But I'm against scapegoating immigrants as the culprits for all the economic problems in the West. It's not the poor people of the World that are guilty that fat pimpled ZeroHedge readers cannot get a job at McDonald's anymore.
It's their fault of being fat and stupid morons and voting with their wallet and stomachs instead with their brains for decades.
I personally want the far rightist neo nazi get to power and start the WW3 so we the rest of the majority poor on this Planet annihilate once and for all all these albino skinheads from the face of the Earth.
Westerners nowadays are the most cowards on the Planet.
It's a glandular problem!