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Ron Paul Rages "Will No One Challenge Obama’s Executive Orders?"
Submitted by Ron Paul of the Ron Paul Institute,
President Obama’s state of the union pledge to “act with or without Congress” marks a milestone in presidential usurpation of Congressional authority. Most modern presidents have used executive orders to change and even create laws without Congressional approval. However President Obama is unusually brazen, in that most Presidents do not brag about their plans to rule by executive order in state of the union speeches.
Sadly, his pledge to use his pen to implement laws and polices without the consent of Congress not only received thunderous applause from representatives of the president’s party, some representatives have even pledged to help Obama get around Congress by providing him with ideas for executive orders. The Constitution’s authors would be horrified to see legislators actively aiding and abetting a president taking power away from the legislature.
Executive orders are perfectly legitimate and even necessary if, in the words of leading Constitutional Scholar Judge Andrew Napolitano, they “…. guide the executive branch on how to enforce a law or…complement and supplement what Congress has already done.” The problem is that most modern presidents have abused this power to issue orders that, as Judge Napolitano puts it, “restates federal law, or contradicts federal law, or does the opposite of what the federal law is supposed to do.”
Political opponents of the president rightly condemned Obama for disregarding the Constitution. However, it was not that long ago that many of the same politicians were labeling as “unpatriotic” or worse anyone who dared question President Bush’s assertions the he had the “inherent” authority to launch wars, spy on Americans, and even indefinitely detain American citizens.
Partisan considerations also make some members of the opposition party hesitate to reign in the president. These members are reluctant to set a precedent of “tying the president’s hands” that could be used against a future president of their own party.
The concentration of power in the office of the president is yet one more negative consequence of our interventionist foreign policy. A foreign policy based on interventionism requires a strong and energetic executive, unfettered by Constitutional niceties such as waiting for Congress to pass laws or declare war. So it simply was natural, as America abandoned the traditional foreign policy of non-interventionism, for presidents to act “without waiting for Congress.” After all, the president is “commander-in-chief” and he needs to protect “national security,” they argued. Once it became accepted practice for the president to disregard Congress in foreign affairs, it was only a matter of time before presidents would begin usurping Congressional authority in domestic matters.
It should not be surprising that some of the biggest promoters of an “energetic” executive are the neoconservatives. They are also enthusiastic promoters of the warfare state. Sadly, they have misled many constitutionalists into believing that one can consistently support unchecked presidential authority in foreign policy, but limit presidential authority in domestic matters. Until it is fully understood that virtually limitless presidential authority in foreign affairs cannot coexist with strict limits on Presidential authority in domestic matters, we will never limit the power of the Presidency.
The people must also insist that politicians stop viewing issues concerning the separation of powers through a partisan lens and instead be willing to act against any president who exceeds his constitutional limitations. Thankfully we have scholars such as Louis Fisher, who has just published an important new book on presidential power, to help us better understand the Founders’ intent with regard to separation of powers. The key to achieving this goal is to make sure the people understand that any president of any party who would exceed constitutional limitations is a threat to liberty, and any member of Congress who ignores or facilitates presidential usurpation is being derelict in his Constitutional duty.
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“But let it not be said that we did nothing. Let not those who love the power of the welfare/warfare state label the dissenters of authoritarianism as unpatriotic or uncaring. Patriotism is more closely linked to dissent than it is to conformity and a blind desire for safety and security. Understanding the magnificent rewards of a free society makes us unbashful in its promotion, fully realizing that maximum wealth is created and the greatest chance for peace comes from a society respectful of individual liberty.” Ron Paul.
Off the Grid - Jessie Ventura interviews Ron Paul
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWLjcNNU5YM
The american people dont know and dont care. As long long as " the game" is on tv and we have chips and salsa, all is well. TV works, so no problem. TV is the Judas Goat.
If he keeps talking I can envision a "suicide" in his future, or at least a 1 car accident on a lonely dark Texas country road with an explanation at the ready. Oddly most suspicously single car accidents have been quickly explained away ignoring the fact that by the very nature of a single car accident on an isolated country road there are no witnesses.
Have to admit the nailgun gone bad was unexpected.
If only we could vote for lobbyists we would have more influence./sarc off
I've spent some time arguing that the focus/energy/attention should be on Congress,
and have to say that even here (ZH), I got nowhere with that simple message.
Keep going Ron Paul.
I will forever laugh my ass off forever thinking about how Sasha Baron Cohen dropped his pants in front of Ron Paul in the movie Bruno....if somebody did that to Bathhouse Barry, he'd suck them off...lol.
The bizar suicides of 4 bankers under investigation in a few days of each other 10 time zones apart, when looked at a little closer are strange in another way. Symbolism. Of all the bridges with fences that a banker can somehow project himself over for a painful death, he chose the 'Tacoma Narrows Bridge in Washington State' otherwise know as 'gaqlloping gertie' the bridge that has the distinction of being the first and only bridge to destroy itself in the world from wind harmonics. The bridge was considered a lesson to all bridge designers that followed. Almost a message to others. But then the other big time troubled mortgage man who suicided with a nail gun with 9 nail shots in the torso and head. Kind of a strange message. Then 2 separate bankers within days junping form J.P. Morgan and some other building in Europe. THis spans what, 10 time zones in a few days. Ok I am putting on an aluminum foil conspiracy hat now... The Rothchild Morgan illuminati might be saying, let this be a long term lesson, bankers keep quiet, we can nail you anywhere on earth with impunity....Thank you ZH for having a place my imagination can run wild with unlikely possibilities.
The founders of this country were willing to lose everything, including their lives, to defend life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Until enough people are willing to put it all on the line, the takedown will continue to gain momentum. Who is willing to fight and die for freedom? Am I? Like the lone protester who stood in front of a tank in tienamin square, he took a stand and got squashed by a tank. Am I a lone protester, no, I do not wish to commit suicide. But give me a few people to jump onto the tank, take out the crew and a chace to fire off a few rounds before they get me, then were talking something meaningful. I think we have a long way to go. I predict a long slow decent into hell. We're just getting started.
The founders wouldn't give a fuck about you, sport. They were rich urbanites who didn't want to pay the same taxes the people in Britain had to pay, in large part to pay for the costs of the French and Indian wars in which British troops defended the colonies.
There's a different way to look at WWII, and there's a different way to look at the Revolutionary War. It was manifestly not about freedom or liberty for anyone but the rich urban whites who went to war with England even though 85% of the country was against the idea.
It's propaganda, son. All governments, and people who want to govern, engage in it. Don't make saints of anyone.
Few will believe you.
Nobody asks why is it that your founding fathers were masons?
What good can come out of freemasonry?
More than such as you can ever imagine already has. Nobody asks why your ancestors were vampires either, but what good will come of it if they do? Were Masonic principles still followed in government, we would never even have entered this pre-apocalyptic era. So many lodges are hollow now, the minds of their members beaten by a shit diet and television. The Rosy Cross survived the Medieval popes, though. It will survive this, too-if we survive as a literate species.
Nice if vile revisionism there, buddy.
Unless you're Canadian, then I guess it is accepted history.
No. It's just what happened. A privileged few who didn't want to pay taxes largely purposed to pay down war debts they didnt want to pay, who didn't give the vote, or liberty, or full rights at law to many or most of the population started a fight most of the country did not want.
You think Samuel Adams cared about the freedom and liberty and civil rights of the indentured servant girls, or the slaves?
$$$$$, akak.
I know the Founders are sacred to you, but that keeps you blind in exactly the same way other "sacred" bits of fake history keep others blind. Up to you if you want to seek out reading stuff that challenges your own preconceptions about "the Founders"
Your decision to make, sport.
You know, chappy, the Founders weren't all like James Madison or Alexander Hamilton (a bankster if ever there was one). In fact, Pappy, if you knew anything about the members of the various Continental Congresses, you would know that many of them did in fact give a fuck, and were in fact in the thing for self-determination and freedom from British rule. They gave their riches to a cause that resulted in the creation of the most democratic republic in human history. Many suffered poverty and deprivation as a result. It did nothing to lessen their resolve, as they continued kicking British and Canuck ass for another hundred years.
Your numbers are bullshit - Tories were bundled off to sparkling places like Labrador and Nova Scotia, when they weren't ridden out of town on rails or killed outright.
I concede that you're right about the propaganda, Pops, but that game has been played since before the Vandals rode. However many ways there might be to look at a thing, junior, only one set of facts is true about any event. Yours and mine are only guesses-we were not there. History is being made in the factory of the Present. The results will speak for themselves.
I know a significant amount about it. There were a few patriots, sure, but let's be honest - you haven't done much reading about society before or after the war, or about the costs of the French and Indian war...
What you have is a rose colored view and you get angry when it's challenged...
You aren;t going to see what you arent looking for. You can either call me those absurd names, little girl, or you can try reading some sources that mioght present a different case.
Its not that you're all wrong, you're just mostly wrong. You've accepted and absorbed the propaganda.
And it hurts to let it go.
Cookie?
Fentanyl, actually. So that I don't have to absorb your assumptions.
I will take a moment to counter your ignorant assumptions, sonny. It turns out that my reading on the subject of European and Early American history spans some 45 years of my life and well in excess of half a million pages of material, covering 1300 AD to WW2. Two years of my life were spent at the Library of Congress researching the use of ceremony, symbology and propaganda as tools for governance. As I have no axe to grind on the principles underlying the American Revolution, I truly don't care whether its significant players were rich or poor.
The fruit of any labor, as Christ mentioned, falls mostly under the tree where it was born. By the fruit you know whether the tree is a keeper or not. While people such as yourself and John Boothe have always been around to cast aspersions on progressive and successful work done by others, the fact remains that things like The Whiskey Rebellion and the propaganda and outright lies sported about by its authors fail utterly because they lack one thing which the Founding Fathers did not - appeal to a broad swath of the general public. You can paint that wall any color you like, but it is still the same wall you began with.
If the modern media has been turned to blatant political/religious/historical revisionism, and its tools and capital used to reduce the human race to slugs, THAT is a modern problem. Your statements remind me of the old warning that even a satan can use scripture to plead his case. The fact that you are an insufferable snob does not make your case more appealing or sound. It just means that you should chant the old mantra whilst looking in the mirror, Shorty :"Twinkle twinkle little star..."
Has your reading been sufficiently broad to allow you to finish that quote?
Actually, Jefferson, Franklin, and Washington would have much preferred being left the hell alone to tinker and putter.
Try adding some original writings to your diet.
try adding some reading to yours.
I figured that'd get junks.
You got told a fairy tale too. After the Rev something like 7% of people in Virginia could vote. "Democracy"? Nope. Slavery and indentured servants still cool. "Liberty?" Nope again.
The Americans didn't want to have to pay down debts largely stemming from protecting their rear from the Frogs and Injuns.. taxes they had to pay back home. And most people were loyalists or non-partisans, at least initially.
Do some more reading, cunts.
You're still a cunt, LoT. You're right from the wrong reasons.
I am still downvoting you for your ugly historical revisionism, JC.
Just because the American "Revolution" did not lead to a perfect society does not mean that it did not lead to an overall freer society, which it manifestly did (for a while, anyway). And to state the figure of 7% as the eligible voting population means less than nothing, as only property owners were allowed at that time to vote --- a system which one could argue makes radically more sense than allowing the poor and shiftless to vote themselves benefits via government at the expense of everyone else.
I find your kinds of revisionist arguments demeaning and insulting --- allowing the hypothetical perfect to be the enemy of the actual good.
I've struck a nerve akak, that is clear. All I can promise you is that the deeper you dig, if you dig, the less confident you will be about the version of history you were taught in 8th grade.
Set your mind free, or don't.
Facts are stubborn things.
"Facts are stubborn things."
and apparently you think you have them all.
as if.
and your wet-dog-looking son will not be president.
no matter how good the speeches were that he'll steal from or how totally fucked Christie's chances are.
vote me down
IMPEACH
Congress is becoming more irrelevant by the day. Has been for some time now, but the pace is accelerating under the Kenyan.
ron paul = theatre. nothing more. nothing less. in other words, if you haven't got it yet, ron paul is utterly meaningless.
And those involved in the past 10 decades of administrations have been more than just a show?
If his warnings are meaningless, fruitless, and not foresight.....then I must ask why would our nation be training for things such as this?
http://mediatrackers.org/ohio/2014/02/10/ohio-national-guard-training-en...
It's not worth a junk vote but you really pissed me off here. No, it is worth a junk. What you said was not even reasonable. There are plenty of times when I say things that some folks do not understand and I get junked. That happens because I did not explain myself as I should have. I do not junk people without an explanation but I am junking you for that post.
Yup!
Trolls. No follow up to a name calling. No follow up to answer logical questions. No follow up to explain their view points.
all i'm saying is that he is powerless. does he mean well? possibly.
I guarantee you that millions of us are challenging this lawlessness everyday - by also choosing which laws we too will ignore. Although we may not be so bold as to announce our intentions, the weight of our actions will eventually tip the scales. Obama is finally leading by an example that I can fully embrace.
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Fuck you Ron, you racist piece of shit!
Ah, another lost sheep from Huffington Post.
+100
I'd seriously like to see the analytics of this site as of late. It's become increasingly ridiculous with comments from people of this sort inundating the threads, while people I remember posting logical dailouge becoming much fewer and farther between.
Do not interpret silence as apathy. People may just feel it's time to begin to run deep, and run silent. After all, if you look at the numbers and conclude worldwide economic collapse is now unavoidable... what is there left to say?
Point taken, guess I didn't think of it that way.
This is our site. We have AKAK who went full tilt against Nadler back in the mid 2000's. Some folk know that but I have to give credit where credit is due. He is not going say it so I will say it for him. There are a few that came over from MarketWatch as well. It's not all bad.
Thanks Manipuflation, but to be fair, I do believe that DenverDolomite was disparaging the poster before me, not myself.
OK akak. That was a long time ago. I emailed Nadler directly and had some go arounds with him but I do remember you giving some grief to him in public as well. At least I did not forget you. I brought it up because you deserve respect and I know that you will not talk about yourself. I do not give respect lightly.
People talk about this board going to hell. Perhaps many folks do not want to talk anymore. How much can a person say and does it even matter anymore? No one listens to us. There are a bunch of us out there. How many times to we go tell them to go fuck themselves? For how many years? For fucks sake we told them to go to hell six ways since Sunday.
I have told a lot of political people to go directly to hell in a way. I seem to be very good at politics and I know how to push their buttons. It is Fight Club if I ever saw it. You are hardass akak but I am the last person you ever want to deal with in a public forum. I can shut up a politcian from any party very quickly. I wish I could get to Obama!
If people think we are not correct anymore then they are not us.
it's abc media's site, man. I think recent trolls aren't "just" statist/lefties, but some real right wing statists, and most of them young.. they just don't have an argument. Best not to feed them, I know, but sometimes it's hard not to engage.
ZHers have their sacred cows too. I find some aspects of libertarian thinking to be borderline retarded and will say as much... but generally speaking, its a basic approach to citizens and government and te Constitution that is far, far, faaar better than what left or right or either party is generally offering up.
I take a tiny bit from the "right wing" and a decent amount from the progressives, but I happen to mostly fall within libertarian sort of views.
Fuckin pain in the ass when people to agree with them on everything... I think libertarianism could be a viable 3rd party if it had a bigger tent, and that means being pragmatic which means compromising on A to get B which is more vital. But too many idealists and orthodoxy police talking about a wholly unreasonable anarchy or shit that is light years away from sensible politics...
the lack of pragmatists is, just my two cents, take or leave, but is the major thing precluding a true and libertarian 3rd party....
But I have to admit, I care less and less about politics. I really respected Paul, and Nader, and Perot... and I even liked Kucinich to a large extent {fuck you, too} but watching Rand Paul sell his soul... watching Hillary's inexorable march and the media circus around it.
What's the fucking point. It's debt and war, and soon enough civil catastrophe and 90% of the country is content to not even blink an eye about it all.
we need massive doses of ritalin in the water, and a way to take over the MSM which isnt going to happen. the MSM is locked up by ultimately probably under 150 people.
That is pretty well thought out Johnny. So now go one step further. Do we just give up? I should give up but I can't seem to.
Could be people paid to comment. They want to knock down this successful site which opens people's eyes to the truth!
or Daily Kos. "racist" because 20 year old vaguely racist blurbs written by Lew Rockwell make RP "racist" too.
Yawn.
They kept shouting "racist" because they were too dumb to challenge his political ideals, and too obtuse to understand that he was the only guy trying to roll back the power of the Fed and the wars.
Wars which kill tens and hundreds of thousands of brown people - but for the Loony, Stupid Left, it was more important that a black guy who'd kill brown people got into office than letting someone who would have saved lots of lives get in who used to have an employee who wrote a couple of dumb things about blacks 20 years ago.
Farging iceholes.
In Oklahoma, being called inbred is considered a complement.
How the hell is Ron Paul racist? he delivered black babies for a living, while other doctors in his hospital were recommending abortions to the mothers and leaving the delivery room....
He's a white Christian man. Therefore, he is the scourge of the universe. QED.
Lolz.
Can't wait till marriage is a thing of the past and same sex couples can just buy a Monsanto GMO baby at Walmart.
Then we'll all be free!
I am.
A politician whining about a poltician.
As useless as tits on a bull.
WOW...some really asinine posts on here.
First off, to the ones that dissed Paul.....you must be real fuck-o's in real life. GO FUCK YOURSELVES...you commie cunts.
LASTLY -
OBAMA? YOU FUCKING BLOW.
Thank you for your eloquent defense of liberty and Constitutional governance.
Now, grab your lunchbag and get runnin', or you'll be late for your short bus to school.
You talking to yourself - douche?
seriously, the only answer is bitcoin, cut these fuckers out of the economy and let them wither and die like the parasitic weeds that they are.
Who cares about making U.S. Dollars? they will be gone, the price point of bitcoin is arbitrary, start paying people with BTC start accepting BTC at your local shops and stores and outlets, cut these fuckers out of the economy completely..... the country has a solution JUST DOIT, you don't have to play by their rules anymore, free yourself America, gold and silver is great, but you can't fucking spend it anywhere, more places take bitcoin for payment than gold and silver..... the revolution happened, join in or die with the old dino economy, its freaking 2014, EVOLVE or become EXTINCT.
The choice is ours to make as a society, if a FIAT dollar backed by nothing with no limits on inflation and an annual rate of creation in the trillions can "succeed" as a currency for decades, than a digital clone with no inflation, and a stronger anti-counterfeiting mechanism in place can DO BETTER, take the chance, you might be surprised.
Your silver coin aint going to reach 90,000USD per oz , no matter what Mike Baloney says.... and if it does it wouldn't matter anyway cause it would take 90 grand usd to buy a fucking gallon of gas..... at that point an oz is worth an oz, a btc is worth a btc, its what goods and services you can exchange them for that matters, at that point debts wont matter anyway cause all the creditors would have died..... no point in hedging hyperinflation, instead of worrying about zombie apocalypse, do something pro-active to avoid it and build a real stable economy..... use BTC as the means of exchange and payment.... it has to work because gold and silver wont, dollars wont.... its the only remaining alternative and if it dies, so does the last free market enterprise of our time with it.
I didn't even like bitcoin, I still think it needs work, but hell, when I look around, the alternatives FREAKING SUCK....BTC is the only one that even resembles something "fair" as a monetary model for society, no socialism there, no counterfeiting there, no inflation that spirals out of control there, no mega banker loaning out coins they dont have.... no scams, no B.S., its just a "No B.S." currency "take it or leave it".
Last thing I wana do is come here and "sell" btc, but I just fail to see any real solutions to the problem, the problem being that a bunch of banker scum in cooperation with a defunct government have hijacked the economy and the printing presses and are steering us to disaster at a rapid pace...... for their own personal profit and greed...... with no care in the world to the costs to the whole.... when this shit goes bust, Obama and his assholes will flee the country on their private jets and retire on their private island while China and Russia clean house........... people need to wake the hell up and start making some real change....
bitcoin is too slow for retail. It can take hours for a confirmation.
Ok when shipping, but I donT want to stand behind people at the store who are trying to pay with bitcion.
Get it working, then get back with us...
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Obama is straight out of Game of Thrones.
Like King Joffrey, he is petulant, childish and spoilt.
Those not upholding the constitution are TRAITORS, hang them high.
Ron Paul does NOTHING but talk. He is the "Constitutionalist" who allowed an illegal non natural born Citizen (born British of a British subject father ) DOMESTIC ENEMY if the United States to Usurp the Presidency. Just another dirtbag politician who sold out the Republic. Ron Paul is perhaps worse-- the apple doesn't fall far.
nebbish...
Mike Bloomberg, is that you?
Bloomberg is a Marxist Oligarch.
Mike, we all know that you funded a false "libertarian" candidate in the Virginia gubanatorial race, which tipped Terry McAuliffe into office. We all know that Mr. Paul clearly stepped in to bring this to light, but your $ bot more welfare votes.
We are all well aware that you are a sinister, evil Neo Con. War and welfare baby.
Why bother? You are losing. And it's going to be costly. Along with all of your Neo Con buddies.
"any member of Congress who ignores or facilitates presidential usurpation is being derelict in his Constitutional duty".
Do nothing, Controlled opposition, "Constituionalist" did nothing as a Congressman (but talk) and now his son is doing the same. All of you "Paulites" are losers genuflecting to this coward.
So what did he do? what law did he pass? did he stop the FED from monetizing the debt? Did he stop the domestic enemy Usurper from entering the WH?
NOTHING--- HE DID NOTHING.
"when the laws have ceased to be executed, as this can only come from the corruption of the republic, the state is already lost.”
La corruption de chaque gouvernement commence presque toujours par celle des principes.
? Montesquieu, The Spirit of the Laws
if only 3% read ZH
Who are these Neo Conservatives of whom you speak?
Hah!
There is a case to made that our president is practicing contentious borderline "Executive Authority". He knows it. The president has taken extraordinary measures to protect himself from a Supreme Court challenge! Senator Reed had 96 years of voting rules changed to majority vote to allow an immediate approval of very contentious DC Court of Appeals candidates that were of left leaning philosophies. The president has insulated himself from an easy path to Supreme Court for those who would oppose him.
The president is changing "At Will" certain large aspects of his ACA program for reason some would construe as political. To Date that's really the only reasons being made.One wonders that while it may be legally allowed should he not explain to the voters why he is doing this in great detail since it affects each of their lives?
The president owes the citizens reasonable explanations of why he would change major aspects of this law which affects everyone in some way. Not to do that leaves thought of dictatorial arrogance that the president displays. It says to all that he need not explain and that he expects his followers in the Congress and the "Public" to simply follow like sheep and blindly defend and support without any logic.
People will at some point ask "Is there is another reason for this delay that looks almost completely political"? then the president has the obligation to take the time and effort to explain with great specifics why these delays and changes are necessary. The president may be developing an image of an elevated position as Chief Executive similar to the type that typified other leaders like Hugo Chavez in Venezuela that came in as hero and became very dictatorial.
Ron is right. I don't agree with all his views but he's one of the few genuine and outspoken politicians. That's why TBTB destroyed his POTUS run. Obama is still at it, ignoring the Constitution with his killer drones.
http://www.alternet.org/world/us-may-try-kill-another-american-citizen-d...
BUT RON THE NO-CONS HAVE MADE US SAFER....
http://static.euronews.com/articles/221632/600x445_boston-police-190413-...
More bullets in Boat than Germany fires in a year.......AND THEY MISSED.. Certainly not a
mixed metaphor.. Figure out the if this is a Constitutional double negative... Bring it on Ron Paul!
As long as Dems control the Senate impeachment is futile.
If Dems had any integrity at all they would join Repubs in impeaching this increasingly dangerous prez. And his f-ing atty general.
Executive orders are the least of our problems right now. They all go away with a new administration, so this is much ado about nothing. Is he overstepping? Yes, but every president has done this since Reagan. Doesn't make it right, but it's only temporary.
Ron should stick to auditing the Fed, of which we're still waiting for. I have a ton of respect for Paul, especially his stance on foreign affairs. But he really needs to focus on this shit that matters, like monetary reform, ending illegal wars and our rampant illegal use of drones.
oh well, if every President does it, then just ignore it...
The Tyranny of it, is just temporary.