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House Passes Clean Debt Ceiling 221-201 With Vast Majority Of Republicans Voting Against
The clean debt ceiling bill has just passed the House where it got the required majority in a 221 to 201 final vote, with just 28 Republicans voting Yea (and 199 voting Nay) - a vote that has made history with the fewest number of votes from a majority on a bill that passed the House since 1991. It also means means that with a Senate passage assured, the US can now spend away until March 15, 2015. The final breakdown:
- GOP: Yea - 28; Nay -199
- DEM: Yea - 193; Nay -2
- Total: Yea - 221; Nay - 201
And one for the history books:
Considering that the vast majority of Republicans voted against John Boehner's latest "plan" to do the Democrats' work for them, and pass a clean debt ceiling, perhaps it is time to look for a speaker who represents the interests of more than just a tiny fraction of the party... and the Democrats of course.
Roll call adds:
Of the 28 Republicans voting for the debt ceiling, there were only four members of GOP leadership: Speaker John A. Boehner of Ohio, Majority Leader Eric Cantor of Virginia, Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy of California, and Chief Deputy Whip Peter Roskam of Illinois. As a matter of principle, the speaker rarely votes, making this one particularly notable.
Many of the first votes for the debt ceiling came from chairmen of various committees. Of the chairmen voting for the bill, there were: Ways and Means Chairman Dave Camp of Michigan, Oversight and Government Reform Chairman Darrell Issa of California, Appropriations Chairman Harold Rogers of Kentucky, Foreign Affairs Chairman Ed Royce of California, Armed Services Chairman Howard “Buck” McKeon of California and Natural Resources Chairman Doc Hastings of Washington.
That means 15 other GOP committee chairmen voted against the measure, including Budget Chairman Paul D. Ryan of Wisconsin.
GOP Moderates
Some Republicans who fall along a more centrist point on the political spectrum — the same ones who fought for a “clean” bill to fund federal operations during the government shutdown — voted “yes” on Tuesday. They include Charlie Dent of Pennsylvania and three New Yorkers: Michael G. Grimm, Peter T. King and Richard Hanna.
Retiring Republicans
The politically tricky vote for a debt ceiling was made easier for those Republicans who are retiring. Included in that group is McKeon, Frank R. Wolf of Virginia, Jon Runyan of New Jersey and Howard Coble of North Carolina.
Vulnerable Republicans
Vulnerable Republicans were faced with a choice about how to vote Tuesday night. These Republicans aren’t vulnerable because they face tough primary challengers from the right; they’re vulnerable because they reside in districts with light Republican support. Those lawmakers facing bruising re-election bids in November who voted with Democrats are: David Valadao and Gary G. Miller of California, Frank A. LoBiondo of New Jersey, Patrick Meehan of Pennsylvania and Dave Reichert of Washington.
“I’m grateful to the speaker and the Republican leadership for giving this House this opportunity to act in a way that is consistent with the constitution,” said Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., speaking in the chamber in advance of the vote. “I thank my Democratic colleagues for never wavering from this position and standing firm on behalf of all Americans.”
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It's a no win vote for both sides. I've followed politics for a long time and I've never seen a more gutless bunch. Doing the right thing has never been easy but with todays media never holding anyone accountable it's a given that now one day in the future our debt will matter and it will ruin all.
To all you idiots who downvoted me, the Senate was just forced by Cruz to require 60 votes for the Senate version to pass. McConnell had to go find enough Republicans to vote for the bill instead of allowing them to all vote NAY. LOL! It's amazing how you folks manage to survive each day must less read message boards and vote in elections. If you want to know why things are so fucked, look in the mirror.
When the debt ceiling grows beyond the Mars Rover in altitude, maybe the Rover can send back a picture.
"Ceiling"... Yeah right, there ain't no mountain or ceiling high enough contain the debt.
911's a joke. No....not that 911
that 911 -> WTC7
The NDAA passed with 97 out of 100 senators.
If that does not end your belief that a red or blue team is out for your best intrests, there is no hope for you.
Bingo!
Stop voting for the career politicians.
I can quit whenever I want.
Both repubs and dems are despicable. They're all bought and paid for by banksters.
You NEVER had a choice.
So with this vote, how does he keep his job? Serious Question.
Boehner did exactly what the majority of his caucus wanted.
"Boehner did exactly what the majority of his contributors wanted."
There, fixed it.
Any 3d printing plans available for guillotines? I'm not good with structural woodworking.
I don't know what the big deal is. Congress already passed bills on shit loads of stuff that was signed into law by the prez. Did anybody think we could get all this shit for nothing?
Why the fuck don't they include funds to pay for shit in these bills before they are passed into law?
"Leadership"...Bitchez
Good for gold
Oh yeah, it should be, but you forget the manipulators are in the wings waiting to smash it down when instructed to do so.
OK so here is what John Boehner just did to the US (has anyone seen No Country for Old Men)?
He has just guaranteed that the slim majority in the house will be replaced by a democrat majority who will speed 'the end' along.
How? Well I'll guess that every republican voting for this will be ousted in November.
You thought it was bad already.
Blah blah blah - both sides the same - blah blah blah...
Look, we all know what's coming.
Let's not pretend.
How does H. Res. 478. S. 540 — "To designate the air route traffic control center located in Nashua, New Hampshire, as the "Patricia Clark Boston Air Route Traffic Control Center"." turn into
http://clerk.house.gov/floorsummary/bill-information.aspx?cong=113&num=600540&TB_iframe=true&height=400&width=650
??????
Funny thing, the description or title line of all bills I've ever read ends with "and for other purposes".
I'd would say that the guillotine list got longer, but most of them are already on it.
"That's not the boogeyman. It's Article 3, Section 3."
So agreeing with any thing the democrats want is "being consistent with the constitution"? The very constitution Pelosi openly dismisses when it suits her and her political cronies. The constitution is now but a paper of convenience only trotted out when it suits you and shunned when it is an obstacle.
Agree about the POS Pelosi, but let us not forget that Bush called it a 'god damn piece of paper' and his half breed POS AG also did his best to wreck it.
It's no wonder these weasels have underground bunkers. It's only natural for them.
Oh I don't forget Pelosi just happened to be the douche dejour quoted in this article. I could've just as easily replace Pelosi with any politician regardless of party affilliation.
Bush said 'it would be a lot easier if it were a dictatorship' and he meant it and so did Cheney. The blind follow the culture wars while their economic interests are destroyed.
Sure, but it was Pelosi who crowed that we "have to pass the bill in order to see what's in it", so let's not get too one sided...
The big difference is the media had no problem challenging the Bush Admin on their crap yet they remain moot and complicit now.
Tribal bullshit. The media are corporate whores. If they're moot it's because of naked self (financial)interest.
Totally agree. But don't underestimate the self interest as it pertains to access.
I passed something "clean" today too. Two to be exact.
A Dutchie?
The Republic is saved!
/s
Is John Boehner the cowardly lion?
No, just a crying little bitch.
Obama will veto this bill after senate will pass it.
I am glad I am not one of those people, because when TSHTF, it isn't going to be pretty.
I'm completely SHOCKED!!
Is a sarc tag necessary?
I don't give a fuk what they do, as long as my Au value goes up, & up, & up ! ! ! !
so what, Obomber could have just passed an executive order to raise the limit. Remember, he has a phone and a pen, period.
because the repuglicans would immediately launch impeachment proceedings...
Please, you've already demonstrated you don't even have a clue as to what a default is. Wander back over to HuffNPuff an be in a like minded cesspool of morons who couldn't think their way out of a UPS shipping box.
Tyler, can you add educational level to the profiles as required? Then we could see who truly graduated from 9th grade...
You keep trying son, some day you just might pass 9th grade.
Tyler, can you add educational level to the profiles as required? Then we could see who truly graduated from 9th grade...
I dropped out in 11th grade and I make $52k a year at a steady non-union, non-government job I've held for the last 21 years, how about you, college boy?
And I would venture a guess that you understand that when your income is sufficient to pay your mortgage, car payment and groceries, you are not in default. Just because you had been borrowing money every year so that you could keep your promise to give your nephew some money every week, pay for your membership to the gym, get a hooker every Saturday, buy ammo for the guy down the street to do target shooting, etc etc and now you find that you don't want to borrow any more to support these things, doesn't mean you are in default. It means you may have to break a few promises you never should have made to begin with.
You would guess correctly. You might also guess that I (gasp) actually even save money. Yes yes I know it's an unAmerican thing to do, but I can't help it. It helps me sleep better at night.
Now that would be good political theatre!!!
We are overdue for impeachment.
Great idea, lad!
+1
I think that you would fail the Citizenship test if you had to take it today...
The new Common Core standards assure that all answers on all tests shall be considered correct if you think really, really hard before you answer.
The GOP has been finished for decades, probably since Eisenhower. Nixon and Reagan were dogshit too just like Bush and his bastard son who gave us 9/11 and the endless wars.
There is nobody doing any good in Wash DC. They should plow it under and start over.
Considering that the vast majority of Republicans voted against John Boehner's latest "plan" to do the Democrats' work for them, and pass a clean debt ceiling, perhaps it is time to look for a speaker who represents the interests of more than just a tiny fraction of the party... and the Democrats of course
So Tyler, would you support a default and collapse of the US economy? Seriously, what would you like to see happen if the debt limit is not raised? Default would mean chaos, anarchy, civil unrest and the suspension of even more civil rights... Is that what you want Tyler?
Sounds fine to me.
A balanced budget with serious debt reduction would be nice. Just a thought...
So would a unicorn that shits skittles...
Yeah but only if it pees iced tea...
Do you have to add your own sugar and/or lemon?
Instead of slamming people all the time, how about proposing an alternative for once? Sheesh.
The Hedge is not that kind of place where solutions are discussed in any sort of a serious manner in case you haven't noticed....
BTW, I only slam those that make stupid or ignorant statements. You have not been watching closely...
I only slam those that make stupid or ignorant statements.
If this were true, your posts would be majority self-deprecation, little girl.
Show me one post that I have made that can't be factually verified...
Go ahead, make my day...
Be sure to check in on our "BTU Gradient" friend Mayhem_Korner...
And when you're getting bitch-slapped, you tuck tail and run.
Hee, hee, hee, now that is funny...
Because he works as a team blue troll appearing on certain stories to try and discredit posters with ad hominem attacks and name-calling.
A balanced federal budget? Seriously??? So you want the private sector to headlong into astronomical debt? That's what your advocating, although I'm sure you don't know it. TPTB just love people like you.
We all better start understanding economics or else the Oligarchs will route us thoroughly.
Ha I never said I was a capitalist, comrade. I do understand a debt based monetary system and how it robs hard working people, yes I do.
Really? You understand? So what happens when the federal government balances its budget? No bullshit about stones, bottle caps and sea shells, or some stupid ass shit about how great things were in 1847.
Really, I really do understand.
I don't need to bullshit. It's very simple. If the government balances the budget, it stops borrowing money that the Fed prints up out of thin air. It means the bloated bond market goes into the toilet. It means Goldman Sachs and JPM will have to find other swindles and maybe even go bankrupt. It means there will be no "growth" since every penny of every dollar is borrowed into circulation, mainly by the government selling it's debt for endless wars and stupid domestic waste. Right now the miniscule "growth" we have had over the last five years is the result of printing and spending trillions of inflated dollars, hot off the press.
The economy is not created by the government borrowing and spending. That is how money is created. What we really have here is an economy that is operating in spite of the government's borrowing and spending. If what you are saying has any merit at all, then you must concede that the government must manage the economy or it all goes to hell. A government that is managed by idiots and charlitans like Pelosi, Reid, Boehner, and Obama.
With morons like that in charge, I submit to you that it is going to go to hell anyway, and in a MUCH bigger way.
You see, it IS possible to have an economy based on something other than debt. We could have an economy based on productive wealth, but then that leaves the parasites (who hate work) in the cold and since they are currently in charge, there is no way they are ever going to allow that to happen.
The government could balance it's budget and issue debt free currency instead of using a private banking cartel and paying interest for the privelege of issuing and spending it's own money. It's all just a matter of national priorities.
Will? They already have....
The Supply side lunacy of the '80s sealed the deal...
Just compare productivity and wage growth over the past 80 years...
I don't know where you have been, the private sector is more levered up than ever before. I heard this nonsense before from MMT crowd.
Exactly. So what would be the economic consequence of the federal government pulling back? No bullshit or economic illiteracy please.
The economic consequences of a drop in Federal spending?
(1) A quick, short collapse, followed by a reset on debt, loss of "surplus population", world depression / famines / widespread death & destruction, followed by
(2) A long, slow, protracted rebuilding of what is absolutely essential to survival, with nothing left over for trivia, political correctness, ecomadness, waste, fraud & abuse; reduced Federal power / drag on the economy (what's left), less / ignored regulations, barter for a while, agriculture renewal and slow recovery
The economic consequences of a continuation of Federal spending at current levels?
(A) A long, slow, protracted and painful default process, currency collapse, slow starvation and loss of industrial activity, followed by
(1) and (2) above.
How do you like your chaos, hot or served iced with pain and suffering?
You nailed it, dude.
If federal spending were cut, unproductive enterprises currently sustained by that spending would fail, and the resources which they currently employ would be freed up for productive use, resulting in an increase in total production.
An increase in federal spending has the opposite effect; resources currently employed in productive enterprises are forcibly redirected to unproductive enterprises, resulting in a drop in total production.
Anyway, speaking of economic illiteracy, you're an MMT retard, correct? You think that reducing the public debt will reduce private savings, due to your retarded accounting tautology? Amiright?
Paper beats rock
Rock beats scissors
Math beats economics.
So does physics. The system is wobbling more and more. Adding more wobble doesn't help, it just makes the loss of orbit more catastrophic.
Do you have any evidence that is the case?
When the USG "shut down" last year, life just went on as if nothing had happened. No riots. No anarchy. No chaos. No civil unrest. Civil rights were not suspended. Civilisation, somehow made it through.
Now it makes me wonder why we need it.
That was not the debt ceiling... that was about the continuing resolution....
Big difference....
huh?
Yeah, why am I not surprised...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_government_shutdown_o...
It's a myth that the US has to default because it needs more money to spend on government programs. Default is a result of poor management of accounting of revenues & expeditures. A default is just a honest way of saying we have no more money. THe democrats, & Boehnor rather wait until the global markets dump US government bonds & force inflation on the people, because in the meantime, it's politically expedient for the short term, and the present to keep on borrowing, and spending money. Hyperinflation, and default are a difference without a difference. You simply ran out of money in both cases, or more accurately purchasing power. Boehner, and democrats will never stop borrowing, the debt ceiling will increase, and increase, until investors decide that it ain't worth it anymore. I doubt even republicans would make substantial cuts to government spending. They usually go for little cuts, here, and there, like food stamps, what not. Consider the fact they actually defended Medicare Part D, & they are always wanting to increaswe military spending.
Pure tribal bullshit. You are arguing about the music the band is playing on the deck of the Titanic as its being ripped in two and sinking to the bottom of the ocean. Colossal bullshit. It's why we always lose.
You are giving a yoeman's effort j. Unfortunately, economic illeteracy runs rampant. Nonsense about balanced budgets sounds pleasing, but few understand what happens on the other side.
I try to be optimistic, but I fear the Oligarchs have fully routed us. They have average middle class citizens speaking their language about balanced budgets and unfunded liabilities. The Oligarchs have average middle class citizens believing that their assests don't belong to them. It's quite breathtaking. Sadistic, but very impressive. I suppose the adage about never underestimating the stupidity of the American public applies.
Bring it on! The herd needs thinned. Any by herd I mean the progressives, politicians, banksters, and the other useless breathers who got us here.
Progressives? You mean people like Teddy Roosevelt? Or woman's suffrage? Or moving children out of factories? Are those the progressives you are referring to? I'm with you on the big bank and financial services industry, and their political puppets, unfortunately the rest of your post is shit.
The progressives of today are no Teddy Roosevelt. Teddy was a real man. He took a bullet to the chest and went on to give his speech before getting medical treatment. Progressives of today are the most brainwashed cheerleaders for their government idols. Progressivism is the religion of the weak-minded. Teddy would put his boot up the ass of your modern progressive becuase they are such pathetic pussies.
So you consider youself a progressive? Hmm.
Can you only imagine how the economy would thrive if all the blood suckers were removed from it? OMG.
Thank god we have a printing press to keep this going otherwise we would run out of money to borrow!
Deficits/debt doesn't matter ... until it does, right?
The whole world's gone totally fucking insane, all the while the media is telling us that it is we who are insane, not these fascist pricks and the central banks/special interests they get their marching orders from.
At least this isn't lost by the voting public, I see that the "Good Ship Lollipop" is trending on Yahoo.
https://www.yahoo.com/
Worrying over a few trillion? Screw the debt ceiling, what about the $222 Trillion in unfunded liabilities? The rigged game is over, ain't going to come out of this and they know it....except maybe for this dumb ass congressman...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cesSRfXqS1Q
Oh Christ! Somebody had to drag out the unfunded liabilities canard. Or is it underfunded, seventy-five percent funded, or almost, but not quite funded? I can't keep track of all the bullshit.
The financial titans just love when the rubes do their dirty work. "Help me, to economically destroy you."
It's all to easy.
Ultimately this may be more embarassing than if all the Dems and Repugs had their moment on the floor to say how irresponsible the other party is/was, and to prove how stupid they really are.
Fuck that Ohio RINO cocksuker up the ass.
the USS Boner Ohio-Class Ballistic Cocksucker
.... and who is going to hand over their money to fund this unlimited debt that Amerika can now avail themselves of besides the Fed?!!!
But enough of the one party rule allowed these assholes to put this country further in debt under the supervision of a fool who hates the country.
I just went here to the primary opponent to orange rino john "fucking obama lover" bonner site, and gave $20. It felt great. Give it a try.
http://gurrforcongress.com/donate/
$20 says Boner will get re-elected. He just hasn't run a TV ad during a sporting event yet telling his constituents how he stands up to Obama.
For those keeping score at home Republican's 54 Democrat's 41(Presidential Debt ceiling increases since Harry Truman). Oh who am I kidding there is only one party, and to paraphrase George Carlin "you are not invited". At this point it doesn't matter, if "we" can't pay back 18 trillion why not make it 50. I'm just hoping to make it to 80 and if I get sick they can give me 3 hookers and a hot dose. The new Medicare Medicaid program.
Tea Party *activate*!
Form of an ineffective, compromised, political bowel movement within an uttery corrupt system, fooling people into believing genuine change can come from within said system.
Tea Party Leader Is Harassed While Testifying About Being Harassed by the IRS
We need to pass the debt ceiling so we can find out what bullets are in it.
Zombie Max for DHS. I'm finding it hard to believe this is for "training purposes." I think they mean to kill us, though 3 years ago I would have said such a proposition is batshit crazy.
*Yawn* I wish they would get rid of this fake title of 'ceiling' for goodness sake, we know they are all faking it like a hooker faking a massive orgasm for an 80 year old
Why don;t you do a little research and learn about the history of the debt ceiling...
Congress get's really upset when it can't micromanage things...
Why don't you do a little research and learn about Congress.
They micromanage very little, indeed.
Just as those portions of the government responsible for financial oversight don't engage in much of that... unless it comes to the probably illegal Iran sanctions - Treasury has lots of dual citizens working day and night on that.
Do you need another link to explain the difference between the debt ceiling and continuing resolution?
As far as micro managing things, please explain the tax code?
Tax Code: The body of Federal law which incentivises young women to have babies out of a stable relationship, funnels benefits to public employee unions, allows corrupt corporate managers to pass off losses to the ever shrinking middle class; a massive aggregation of moved commas and stilted grammar that almost defies any analysis.
For further explanation my hourly rate is $1274/HR. (plus tax)
edit: forgot to add the tax
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Dear Founders,
FUCK OFF. We love the central banks and the despotism you warned us about. Ya'll were full of shit, we got it made now as debt slaves of dem bankers and their minions.
Thanks for nuthin,
Citizens of Dumbfuckistan.
(formerly known as USA)
What is the debt ceiling? There is no number in the artical. Debt ceiling bill must have a ceiling, right?
No they suspended the ceiling until March 2015. (and likely forever) For now, the sky is the limit! Print! Print! Print! More liberal marxist stupidity and waste! YaY!
It's what they painted over the Sistine Chapel ceiling: an elegant portayel of Bernanke and Obama assraping a bald eagle on a pile of greenbacks.
Do NOT think for one minute that many of the Republicans who voted against the bill are actually against it, or are against Boehner. This is the 'best' re-election result for them. Now they will not be blamed for a debt ceiling crisis - and they get to say they voted against raising the debt limit - even though they knew it would pass if Boehner brought it up. We now face the new reality of 'Hope and Change'. Place your 'Hope' in gold, and stack your pre-1965 'Change'.
The business of America is protecting the rich and screwing the poor.
Print on Mr. Yellin!
How could anyone be a Democrat or republican..... This is just a mess... Smh
No debt limit foe a year.
Unlimited credut card. Shop til you drop time.
Hurry up and blow another $7 trillion in a year to make up for lost time.
Yes we can.
They can add a loads more unemployed people on Social Security disability. Extend the intake personel and extend the hours at the Social Security offices.
The compound interest paradox provides the explanation of why it is a mathematical requirement to constantly create more debt, and why the Fed and our owners cannot allow deflation. The majority of Republicans voting against raising the debt limit is political grandstanding. If no democrat voted yes, the GOP would still have to pass it all by themselves.
Boehner has just insured that Hillary will win
"Winning" the Presidency is like being first in a three-legged race. Sure, you got to the finish line b 4 all others, but you are still tied to the other around your bound leg, you smell like old mold, and if you attempt to do anyting but stand still, you fall flat on your face.
Just like everyone else who supposedly lost.
I wish to Kalki that she had won 6.5 years ago, because by now we would only have to endure that sickly doughy face, cottage cheese thighs, and whining entitlement riddled voice for 1.5 more years and then she and her disciples can go off and have a circle jerk about the loss of the most "powerful woman in the world".
Why didn't I just join the democratic party for one year and work for her campaign just to finally be rid of her in 18 months instead of having to once again listen to the lesbian, homosensual, feminazi, sidney blumenthal and other men who sit down to pee contingent, the befouled, stinky hot-breathing dragons who have placed all their bets on the worst woman in the world to get a chance at 4-8 yrs in the jump seat of AF1?
Eric Cantor is a little bitch pussy
Party on Bro, I am running up 200K debt on my cards and buying heirloom seeds, ammo, food, toilet paper, booze and smokes and sending the bill to the RNC
"Boehner has just insured that Hillary will win"
Well, not so fast, considering she narrowly escaped an assasination attempt (fell and hurt her wrist) and a Navy Seal tried to off her and was shot dead while attempting to do so.......................ummmm, things ain't lookin; up for Billary in 2016.