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California's New 'Dust Bowl': "It's Gonna Be a Slow, Painful, Agonizing Death" For Farmers

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"It's really a crisis situation," exclaims one California city manager, "and it's going to get worse in time if this drought doesn't alleviate."

 

For the state that produces one-third of the nation's fruits and vegetables, the driest spell in 500 years has prompted President Obama to make $100 million in livestock-disaster aid available within 60 days to help the state rebound from what he describes is " going to be a very challenging situation this year... and potentially some time to come."

 

As NBC reports, Governor Jerry Brown believes the "unprecedented emergency" could cost $2.8 billion in job income and $11 billion in state revenues - and as one farmer noted "we can't recapture that." Dismal recollections of the 1930's Dust Bowl are often discussed as workers (and employers) are "packing their bags and leaving town..." leaving regions to "run the risk of becoming desolate ghost towns as local governments and businesses collapse."

 

 

Via NBC,

"The truth of the matter is that this is going to be a very challenging situation this year, and frankly, the trend lines are such where it's going to be a challenging situation for some time to come," Obama said Friday during a meeting with local leaders in Firebaugh, Calif., a rural enclave not far from Fresno.

 

Obama promised to make $100 million in livestock-disaster aid available within 60 days to help the state rebound from what the White House's top science and technology adviser has called the worst dry spell in 500 years.

 

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"A lot of people don't realize the amount of money that's been lost, the amount of jobs lost. And we can't recapture that," Joel Allen, the owner of the Joel Allen Ranch in Firebaugh, told NBC News.

 

"It's horrible," Allen added. "People are standing in food lines and people are coming by my office every day looking for work."

 

Allen — whose family has been in farming for three generations — and his 20-man crew are out of work.

 

He said: "We're to the point where we're scratching our head. What are we gonna do next?"

 

At the local grocery store, fruit prices are up — but sales are down. The market was forced to lay off three employees — and many more throughout the town are packing their bags and leaving town.

 

McDonald said farming communities like Firebaugh run the risk of becoming desolate ghost towns as local governments and businesses collapse.

 

"It's going to be a slow, painful process — but it could happen," McDonald said. "It's not going to be one big tsunami where you're gonna having something get wiped out in one big wave. It's gonna be a slow, painful, agonizing death."

 

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The problem is not just in California. Federal agriculture officials in January designated parts of 11 states as disaster areas, citing the economic strain that the lack of rain is putting on farmers. Those states are Arkansas, California, Colorado, Hawaii, Idaho, Kansas, New Mexico, Nevada, Oklahoma, Texas and Utah.

 

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Sun, 02/16/2014 - 09:55 | 4441851 DaddyO
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+1

Well Said!

DaddyO

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:23 | 4441977 Antifaschistische
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Rand, one reason is just California politics that so many of us hate.

The central valley of California is fed by a considerable number of rivers that flow into it naturally.   Those rivers create an almost perfect combination of water for irrigation, without a bunch of freakin rain....(as the snow melts in the summer)

However, LA and it's surrounding cities are thirsty and want nice landscapes in a desert also....so California pumps water out of the valley, over ther freakin mountains, and into LA for green golf courses and pretty gardens and 20 million people who want to flush their toilets.

Politics is all about selecting winners and losers.   The farmers lose to the big cities and they lose to the EPA when someone finds a snail they want to protect in a reservoir somewhere.

That's why we get mad about it.

Sure....perhaps we can jsut stop growing food and get it all from Chile or Guatamala, etc.   That may be a good economic decision....but is that really what we need to do from a strategic perspetive?

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 11:19 | 4441992 LMAOLORI
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MOTHER F#*KING HYPOCRITE RAND here's the LIBERAL FASCIST SPEAKING ABOUT BOOMERS THE OTHER DAY - BOOMERS 

 

 

new LetThemEatRand

 

"...but eventually the motherfuckers are going to want to eat."

Let them eat Rand.

 

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-11/22-facts-about-coming-us-demogr...


“By law, Social Security cannot deficit-spend and cannot borrow, so it is obvious that Social Security cannot add a penny to the federal deficit”.

 

 

But in a typical liberal hypocritical way rand has no problems adding to the deficit if it's for something he deems necessary.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 13:13 | 4442226 DaddyO
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Isn't it easy to spend OPM!

DaddyO

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 18:11 | 4442975 LMAOLORI
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It is and that's a problem but those hypocritical pieces of crap like Rand are also a problem

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 15:37 | 4442576 Blankenstein
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The problem with the government intervening in anything is enormous sums of money are thrown at problems and as a result of insider contracts and lack of brain function, a very few are enriched with taxpayer money to "fix" each crisis that pops up.  The 99% become poorer and the connected 1% become even richer.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 21:59 | 4441006 0b1knob
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When California went back to Moonbeam Brown as governor they officially went full retard.   There is no saving the place now.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 22:20 | 4441059 Seer
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Obviously you didn't read the last paragraph.

Mon, 02/17/2014 - 16:45 | 4445572 Antifaschistische
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It's a puzzling dilemma for politicians.   In Washington, when you run out....you call the Fed and just print (read 'journal entry') billions/trillions of dollars.

This same mentality exists in Sacramento....the problem is, you can't print water....so Moonbeams get all confused.

My favorite is "we just need to build desalinization plants".  Maybe these people need to take a trip down the east side of the San Joaquin Valley and look at the man made canals that terminate at the giant pumping stations south of Bakersfield.   A desalinizaiton plant large enough to compensate for all that water would take a few new large nuclear power plants and a massive waterway.   Perhaps, if they build the nuclear powerplants in LA and reverse the waterflow from LA north over Tejon Pass that would help...But the canals run (tilt) south.  So, the Sacramento/Stockton area become better targets.

HEY...STOCKTON needs the jobs...they can build the new nuclear power plant and desalinization operation right there!

Just the thought of building a new nuclear plant in California makes me happy.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 22:05 | 4441022 Irene
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Oh yeah, and the rest of us working schlubbs get to eat dust or food at +50%. 

The "poor management" inflicted some of this water shortage to start off with and we know "they" are never going to be made to eat their bullet trains, etc. 

All the increased prices and shortages in food aren't going to help us, but it'll help them plenty.  "Never let a crisis go to waste" and trust me, this one will be no exception.  They're going to use it to great effect.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 22:23 | 4441069 Seer
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"Oh yeah, and the rest of us working schlubbs get to eat dust or food at +50%. "

Most of the world spends most of their income on food.  Welcome to reality (which has been hidden from us fat and happy westerners for MANY years).

But true to the form of small minds, it's always someone's fault (never the entire fucking premise from which we are operating on [never look in the mirror]- perpetual growth on a finite planet).

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 01:03 | 4441409 DaveyJones
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a wise agriculturist once pointed out that it was more than a coincidence that when the amount of resource spent on food dropped in this country, the cost of medical care rose at a similar rate 

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 23:02 | 4441171 TBT or not TBT
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Sacramento pols and DC pols read The Hunger Games as a how to guide. They will make the best of this, for them and theirs.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 23:12 | 4441203 Abitdodgie
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If they stoped spraying off the Pacific coast it would let the mosture come inland and so it would rain again , but no lets keeps playing with the weather.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 11:15 | 4442003 Blame Crash
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Would you also let them crawl out of the earthquake rubble on their own too?

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 21:51 | 4440979 SWRichmond
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they're just setting us up for the coming inflation.   anyone who lived through the 70's remembers inflation being blamed on anything except the central bank.  any weather related stories, droughts, anything that can cause prices of anything to go up will be amplified on the TV and in the media for the next five or ten years at least.  nothing is ever blamed on the central planners

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 22:02 | 4441012 malikai
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Not being around, but experiencing the media afterwards as a kid, I got the impression that the big boogeyman was the "Arabs", although the "Russians" got a share of the blame whenever convenient.

I'm interested to hear what those who were cognizant during that time observed.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 22:13 | 4441046 nmewn
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There's always a boogeyman around, to varying degrees.

I'm 54, I've seen my share boogeymen and you'll see your share too...all I can say is, from my experience, the real boogeyman is usually the one herding the sheep in a general direction ;-)

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 00:17 | 4441327 ebworthen
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The Arabs, the Russians, and in the 70's it it was the coming Ice Age instead of Global Warming.

Never, ever, the:  Central Banksters, the Corporations, or their complicit Politico's.

And the 1970's-early '80's crisis used to offshore production and employment.

Now, suddenly, there is surprise that things suck.

Adults not in charge for a long-long time.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 03:11 | 4441591 ThroxxOfVron
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There were a few sly and unsubtle warnings.  You had to look instead of look away.

Punk Rock was not pretty.  It was angry.  Especially the artists that didn't clean up or couldn't hide the contempt.

Dead Kennedys, Black Flag, Circle Jerks, Germs, Fear, etc...were never commercail successes and were as close to comerciality as could be presented.   Even some of the punks that survived the movement and meandered into rock and new wave weren't even really domesticated.  Iggy Pop got pretty long in the tooth while never quite being house-broken.  Iggy is beautiful to Me still all old and bug-eyed and knotted and wrinkled...still full of angst.  It's honest.

Hunter Thompson never really came in from his isolation or down from his bad trip either.   He was a token outsider invited to the journalism party.  -A case of affirmative action for the intelligent belligerents and He knew it and resented it.  For those that invited him it was usually only funny only up to a point; -then You realized he was heartbroken and pissed off and self-medicating to try and get along and survive the ordeal.  Sometimes edgy is really actually the edge...

Even in Hollywood there were loathings and self-loathings lurking.  There were films like Network, Being There, Rollover, Soylent Green, One Flew Over the Coocoo's Nest, A Clockwork Orange, etc...  Too many to actually note here.   Look closely at the names in the credits of some the more confrontational films of the period -and see where they came from?   They had been thorough some shit.  Mostly uglinesses in post-war Europe, some traumatized in the witch-hunts of the early 60's...

There were warnings.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 03:48 | 4441615 lewietheparrot
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Thanks, Throxx,

"There were warnings"       yes, indeed there were!

Your post is as well written and appealing as anything I have read here since Slewie or the old Cog Diss.

But you omitted one of the biggest factors, at least, in the U S of A: The Yuppies.

Now they are called the Boomers, but they are still the greedy, egoic, and 'other focused' assholes who went for Nixon, Reagan, Bush I & Bush II, Clinton, and Obama----voted for whoever would give them the most and take the least in taxes.

Actually, my reason for faulting them so is that they were detestable human beings---unpleasant middle management brown-nosers---without any capacity for making decisions or taking responsibility. This was so counter to the conditioning of my generation----the pre-wwII generation. I never understood how they could be so mean---stingy--and self-serving. I thought it was un-american at first, but in the mid-eighties---I realized that it was simply inhuman.

Of course, opposed to them were the hippies, freaks, druggies, pacifists------and the LIBERALS. All anethma to the ZHers, in the main, hmmmmm-------------------maybe the sons and daughters of the boomers are here with their parents now; I mean the comments are the same old shit the Yuppies spouted----

I'm going to end here---I have accidently uncovered something that I need to think about, hmmmm-------

Thanks for a great post----provocative, as well

 

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 04:48 | 4441649 ThroxxOfVron
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My view is informed by what I've experienced more than anything else.  

My parents really did blow it.  Their parents gave them fucking everything and they squandered it all and left nothing for my generation.  I mean that literally.  The property and the money and options and the oppoutunities were all totally used up by my parents.  All this previously aggregated wealth was simply blown.  -& it wasn't enough to spend and deplete the accrued wealth, the seed corn of the prior lifetimes in escrow, not even enough to not create or earn anything for themselves to live on reasonably or retire.  ...There wasn't even enough.  They were insatiable.

My parents defrauded and enslaved Me.  They sold their children literally into slavery like fucking pimps.  I paid debts that had been generated in my name for years instead of being free to pursue life fully.   How the hell could they take from their parents and their children and still not have anything to show for it at all????

I'm a bitter metaphor for the state of this sorry nation.  America has eaten it's seed corn and used up it's global good will accrued by the prior generations of thrift and ingenuity -and them carelessly sold it's children like pimps.

THAT is the bitter hateful truth.

Where is this great inheritance?   The economy?  The ingenuity?   

Whre is the resovoir from which to draw the proud humility, the unforced charity, the voluntary sacrifice?

We got fucking robbed -and now we are loudly admonished to be humble and charitable and make sacrifices for those who robbed us to those who robbed us OR we will be denigrated and condemned and disenfranchised?

These are Odius debts and I repudiate any claimed or implied responsibility for them.  I did not agree to be held accountable for other people who are incapable of being accountable to themselves and who refuse to act responsibly.

 

There was a time when the country was wide and wild enough to hide within, when there were frontiers to disappear into and be yourself without impositions and demands being stacked on top of a person; but, that is pretty much over.  It's hard to hide in the open.  Even harder in a busy crowded place.

I think that what You are taling about with 'hippies, freaks, etc.' were the last of the fringe; the people that ran out fo places to hide and had to finally assimilate or whole-up and burrow into ghettos.   

The bastards won't leave a person alone now.  They just won't let You drop out and be weird and lonely.

Antisocial is not allowed.   Everyone must be domesticated and civil.  It's hard to hide from scrutiny and most that try either end up hiding down a stinking manhole or wasting in prison.  The frontier is closed.  They see everything so You can't go out to the mountain and take off your clothes and be free of it all.   They will watch your ass on Google/NSA and come arrest You for it.  No One is allowed to grow a garden and live in a tree-house and stop paying taxes to the collectist bureaucracy.

Everything must be sanctioned by the collective or is simply targeted for destruction...

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 09:08 | 4441799 Arius
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this is a big theme ... it definitely deserves to be a separate topic.

the politicos were always talking casually about passing the debt to future generations, and the boomers were okay with it ... smiling in the couches that someone else will be screwed to pay what they spent .... the thing is that the bill is due and it will not be paid by the great, great grandson but by you and me.

FUCK THE BOOMERS! 

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 11:30 | 4442022 LMAOLORI
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And right back at you F*CK YOU snivelling young crybabies not all young people just the SHITHEADS who voted for scumbags like Obama. It was pretty much the younger people who put that fascist pig in power. You don't know squat - the boomers were born AFTER social security was FORCED upon the nation. 

What about YOUR STINKING OBAMACARE - yea that's right that's YOU PUNKS forcing that upon your children.

Mon, 02/17/2014 - 08:18 | 4444571 Tall Tom
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Do you remember protesting against "the Establishment" back when you were their age? (Or did you support the Establishment??? Hell I do not know.)

 

I protested against it throughout my teens, my twenties, thirties, Froties and into my fifties currently...

 

What I have found out is that many become like the parents that raised them.

 

So of course it is nor surprise that the young will vote a bill for their healthcare unto those whom are not yet born.

 

The whole system is predicated upon the Unfunded Liability.

 

Most children are accidental, without any plan for their providence, and are thus an Unfunded Liability. Think about it.

 

All of this rhetoric which I read is rather moot.

 

The system will collapse within Three Months to an outside of Three Years.

 

Would you really expect anything different from the Twenty Year Olds as they fuck and procreate more Unfunded Liabilities to feed?

 

Now the Twenty Year Old claims are the epitome of hypocrisy. That is what is really laughable.

 

LMAO.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 11:38 | 4442039 FredFlintstone
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My son did it. Bought a 27 ft sailboat and lives in the Caribbean with his GF. He went Galt even though he doesn't know what that means. Before that he travelled across the country for 18 months hobo-style on freight trains. He is 27 yo. We are all just humans brought into this world the same way. I recommend that you quit bitching and do something. Look around, research your options.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 12:57 | 4442178 lewietheparrot
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Thanks, Throxx

The Tibetan culture had a different take who takes care of whom(?); The parents were completely responsible for dedication to their children; the children incurred no debt for this to the parents, but also had to dedicate themselves to their children. 

I always found this principal very interesting and opposite the christian ethos----and, I have never seen or heard of any Tibetan abandoning his/her parents. Maybe, not so much in christendom either, but in the US---I have seen it a lot---more like a plague.

Yes, the hippies/freaks/minorities were a only a short renaissance in the forever 'onward christian soldiers' themes of more and mine in the history of the u.s.------they are still there in remote locations----seeds waiting for the proper conditions to germinate----artisans, farmers, small shopkeepers----well, I don't know because I don't live there, but they are spread all over south america--with survival skills aplenty waiting for the storm a'comin'.

I don't know about your parents, but respect your sense of and anger towards them-----my parents, actually, were more considerate of me; the times were different.

Anti-social/nonconformity has never been a part of white americas ethos; remember the witchburnings of our beloved pilgrims? They were and are still pretty 'grim'-----there is no place to run, so just keep your head down---we will need you soon, I suspect.

You'll be all right, mate and thanks again

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:38 | 4442438 Truthseeker2
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MUST READ if you want to know what is causing the California drought!

*

Geoengineered Weather Patterns Wreaking Havoc Across The Planet
Chemtrails and HAARP are the Smoke and Mirrors behind the fabricated ‘Global Cooling’ events

http://cosmicconvergence.org/?p=6184

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 02:04 | 4441517 TheReplacement
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Russia was definitely portrayed as the old rival while the Arabs were the current troublemakers.  And then, Afghanistan happened.  It's odd that we changed (as per the myth of exceptionalism which most people I knew believed in) to help the brown people kill more Russians.  They needed our help more than we needed the Russians out of Afghanistan.  We easily could have required them to move in our direction instead but we didn't.  Curious.

By exceptionalism I don't mean jingoism, cockiness, or bullying.  I mean people believed in hard work, good ethics, playing to win, being polite, helping others, and fighting for what was right and only what was right.  Sigh.   They have destroyed yet another word in our lexicon and we have let them.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 22:30 | 4441093 Seer
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No one is staging this, sorry.

Farming/ranching has sucked down aquifers at rates exceeding recharge for so long now it was only a matter of time before we got slammed.

Yes, the squeeze will ripple through banks, banks have a lot of money circulating through Big Ag.  Though I'm no Big Ag, and I don't do business with Big Banks, I can hardly think that the banking system can see this in any other way than red.

"any weather related stories, droughts, anything that can cause prices of anything to go up will be amplified on the TV and in the media for the next five or ten years at least.  nothing is ever blamed on the central planners"

And when are we going to blame ourselves?

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 22:51 | 4441145 sylviasays
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The state's big government Democrats and their environmental leftist cronies have staged this water crisis by refusing to build new water reservoirs to collect water during wet years and by restricting the pumping of water for agriculture to protect tiny bait fish like the Delta Smelt. Even though there is a historic drought, the water continues to flow from Northern California to the arid desert of Southern California where there are no mandatory water restrictions. The Hollywood left continues to fill their swimming pools and water their lavish estates.

If anyone is to blame, it's people like Seer who keep voting big government Democrats into office. 

 

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 01:05 | 4441416 DaveyJones
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swimming pools and worse, lawns. You're on to something.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 23:03 | 4441175 SWRichmond
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No one is staging this, sorry.

I never said anyone was, so nice strawman, dipshit.  What I said was that they're going to shout about it from the rafters for the next ten years to cover up the inflation which has been caused by the central planners / central bank.

And when are we going to blame ourselves?

Having been libertarian for almost my entire adult life, and having spent a great deal of that time trying to wake people up, I DO NOT BLAME MYSELF.  I blame people who heard my words and were either uninterested, or frightened, or derisive.  They deserve what they get.  I do not, hence my favorite saying that i made up myself: those who have studied history are doomed to repeat it when they are surrounded by people who have not.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 23:12 | 4441202 U4 eee aaa
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I'm wonder to what degree fracking is contributing to this problem also. Is it just a coincidence that after only a few years of wholesale bedrock destruction that we get the worst drought in 500 years?

Maybe they cracked the bowl that holds the water

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 23:36 | 4441260 sylviasays
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The few areas in California were fracking is allowed are generally in the southern part of the state in the ocean waters off of Long Beach, Seal Beach and Huntington Beach.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 04:06 | 4441622 lewietheparrot
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Seer,

Often you are brilliant with your comments and a memory of history un-revised; you have told it trutfully above and I thank you for the post.

Firebaugh was marginal farmland at best without an artificial source of water---as was well known throughout the Central Valley. Much of that part of California was the same----and all of a sudden in the 70's----they planted fruit and nut trees---row after row after row.

Well, the history has been very well documented in literature though, probably, revised on the web. So your post maintains a focus on the true story---thanks, again 

 

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 22:45 | 4441136 Deathrips
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Bingo SWR.

 

When they are dragging his burning screaming corpse through the street...save the water..for you.

 

RIPS

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 22:58 | 4441156 beercandad
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The chimp in chief and his minions thus say ..............

 

This turd will do anything to sell gummint control over more and more stuff.  We know he likes to lie a lot but it’s getting plainer and plainer that he may be delusional.

Climate scientists slam Obama science czar’s ‘pseudo-science rambling’ on global warming The night before President Barack Obama was set to address Californians stricken by a prolonged drought, White House science czar Dr. John Holdren told reporters that virtually all weather is being impacted by climate change and that droughts were getting “more frequent, they’re getting longer and they’re getting dryer.”

Two prominent climate scientists disagree. Former NASA scientist Dr. Roy Spencer and University of Colorado climate scientist Roger Pielke, Jr. slammed Holdren for his “pseudo-science rambling.”

“The idea that any of the weather we are seeing is in any significant way due to humanity’s greenhouse gas emissions verges on irrationality,” Spencer wrote in his blog.

Pielke took to Twitter on Friday to slam Holdren for “zombie science” in the White House.

@andersbolling That’s right, thanks. The zombies will always be with us. But it is brazen for zombie science to show up in the White House!

Obama headed out west to California on Friday to announce his plan to create a $1 billion “Climate Resilience Fund” to help localities deal with the impacts of global warming. In a press call the night before, Holdren warned reporters of the impacts global warming has had on weather.

“The global climate has now been so extensively impacted by the human-caused buildup of greenhouse gases, that weather practically everywhere is being influenced by climate change,”White House science czar Dr. John Holdren told reporters Thursday night. “We’ve always had droughts in the American West, of course, but now the severe ones are getting more frequent, they’re getting longer, and they’re getting dryer.”

Pielke disagrees, pointing out that Holdren’s claims that droughts have worsened due to global warming directly contradicted scientific reports.

The United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change found that there is “not enough evidence at present to suggest more than low confidence in a global-scale observed trend in drought.” Pielke added that even a report from the U.S. government said that “droughts have, for the most part, become shorter, less frequent and cover a smaller portion of the US over the last century.” A 2012 paper published in the journal Nature found “[l]ittle change in global drought over the past 60 years.”

Spencer took issue with Holdren’s claim that “weather practically everywhere is being influenced by climate change.”

The former NASA scientist said that weather is caused by energy imbalances on “between the solar heated surface of the Earth and the atmosphere above it, and between different geographic regions.”

“It’s all about the energy… and especially about imbalances in energy, which causes ‘weather’ as the ocean and atmosphere seek to reduce those imbalances,” Spencer wrote. “On a local basis, those imbalances can be tens or even hundreds of watts per sq. meter.”

“Our best estimate of how much the climate system has been perturbed from energy balance comes from the slow warming of the oceans, which since the 1950s equates to a 1 part in 1,000 energy imbalance, “ Spencer continued. “Now, how exactly can a 1 part in 1,000 energy imbalance lead Holdren to state, ‘Weather practically everywhere is being caused by climate change’? Well, all I can think of is that his statement is not based in science.”

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Sat, 02/15/2014 - 23:43 | 4441274 WillyGroper
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Angels not playing this HAARP.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 00:39 | 4441373 ThroxxOfVron
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"Think strip club."

You have My undivided attention.

I'm warming up the BarneyCopter...

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 01:55 | 4441505 LetThemEatRand
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Yeah, it's all you got.  Literally. Right, or am I wrong?  

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 04:01 | 4441619 ThroxxOfVron
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Geez.  -What, are You gonna follow Me home now?

Anyone who disagrees with giving You whatever you say you need is an asshole?

How much will be enough?  When will you stop making demands of Other People?

For People like You there will always be another crisis in the morning that deserves aloocation of Other People's resources.  Always another need.  YOU are always deciding what has to be done.  You know best.  

You are a fraud.  You have no spirituality of magnitude with which to humbly to devote yourself.  You can only arrogantly decide for Others to devote Others and the resources of Others.  -Never YOU Yourself.

You are dead inside if You can't project a false self-image of yourself as important and vital to Others.

You can only exist in a crowd.

You want to drag everyone else into the prison of the false collectivist construct narrative You use to validate yourself because if You don't you might find yourself alone withour any collective within which to validate yourself.

Your LOST.  LOST LTER.   

Go pray.  Or sing a song that has never been written spontaneiously to yourself.  Or go find a feral animal and try to understand it's hunger and suspicion of you.  Get lost and You might find yourself.

THAT might bring you to understand that your rights don't extend or exist beyond the borders of your self...

 

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:36 | 4442428 Deathrips
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Vron..

 

The sting of the truth is refreshing. Rand thinks hes doing it for the defenseless children.

When airplanes go down, you must first put on your own oxygen mask so you can tend to the children and needy. He doesnt get that.

With all the weight of his ego and collective group....the planes going down.

 

I got my mask on. 1500 lbs tilapia,  beds of veggies for days, chickens, turkeys and rabbits.

 

I live in San Diego...but not for much longer. I hear the mountains calling. The collective is disgusting.

 

RIPS

 

 

Mon, 02/17/2014 - 08:31 | 4444591 Tall Tom
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San Diego is overdue for a Brush Fire.

 

It will burn this year...or the next.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 23:13 | 4441205 WillyGroper
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My dentist's son live in CA. He said there's chemtrails everyday.

Their doing it in my state too which is one on this. 

All by design.

Agenda 21 fastrack.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 02:45 | 4441573 Trucker Glock
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"Can someone please explain to me how printing money will make it rain?"

Printing FRN's is reserved for banksters.  .gov will have to borrow "money" for this one.  Japan will loan us some.

 

 

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 12:44 | 4442157 mickeyman
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I don't understand why they don't just print water.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 21:49 | 4440971 El Oregonian
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Scottie, MoonBEAM me up. These creatures will need at least 500 more years until they evolve into a intelligent species.

As for now, there pretty much screwed.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 22:33 | 4441099 Seer
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The last paragraph notes that California isn't alone.  I wonder what folks are going to blame when the flare-up in the other states becomes equally obvious...

Naw, name-calling is the real way to understand these issues!

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 23:34 | 4441255 Creepy Lurker
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Well, I can't speak for the other states on that list, but I live in CO, and I can tell you there is no drought here. Our resevoirs are brimming. Never forget, they lie like rugs.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 01:05 | 4441414 SilverDOG
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Resevoirs reduce trickle down aquifer replenishing.

Man can fuuk anything up.

 

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 01:56 | 4441510 LetThemEatRand
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So you're against strip mining and drilling offshore, then?

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 00:09 | 4441318 ebworthen
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Time to eat pork and chicken for a while.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 07:37 | 4441732 mt paul
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no water

no problem

 

let them grow

dehydrated produce

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 21:47 | 4440968 mess nonster
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Drought. God's way of sayin' "Y'all aint livin' right!"

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 21:59 | 4441004 Crash Overide
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With all the geo-engineering and weather modification going on I wonder why they want a drought in the west...? Are they poking a stick at someone?

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 22:35 | 4441107 Seer
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Interesting that people believe that the government is so innept yet it can control weather.

Jerry Brown has company...

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 23:14 | 4441152 chemystical
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Yeah, nevermind the HUNDREDS of patents granted by USPTO with regard to weather modification.  Cloud seeding with silver iodide 110 yrs ago was child's play compared to today.  US military owns a significant amount of weather mod IP btw.

 

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 22:00 | 4441008 SMG
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You know many here may say this is just superstition.

But we all have a choice, we have free will, good vs. evil.

Too many are choosing the road to HE double hockeysticks.

Sometimes I wonder if it is "Wrath of God", for now and what is coming.

Don't totally understand the universe, but still wonder about it.  We'll see.

 

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 22:37 | 4441111 Seer
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Mother Nature.   And, it's not any mystery that if you take more out of a system than you put in that at some point the deficit materializes: funny that people can get this about govt spending yet not about natural resources (in this case aquifer depletion).

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 22:05 | 4441020 Anusocracy
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God likes Michigan.

We're surrounded by the Great Lakes with 6 quintillion gallons of fresh water. Apparently they're 88.1 % frozen over now.

The winters sure do suck.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 23:42 | 4441268 Creepy Lurker
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Ah yes. I remember the winters very well. But when I come back I plan to not need to go outside when it sucks. (Unless I want to do some X country skiing.)

I plan on coming back home in about a year or so for semi-retirement. Save me some hot chocolate w/ peppermint schnapps.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 01:09 | 4441424 SilverDOG
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Oligarchs sure as fuk do not.

Lake levels not full, and shipping millions of gallons/day to CHINA baby.

God bless quartely reports and profit addiction baby!

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 23:59 | 4441299 BeanusCountus
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And you are right. Yet another example of our government intervening in the normal process of risk-reward dynamic that is the basis of society and investing advances as a whole. Droughts happen. Failure happens. Out of them both comes opportunity for somebody else. Sadness for some, opportunity for others. Its the natural order of things. Unless government gets involved. And now, they want to protect some businesses from.... The weather. Disgusting.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 04:47 | 4441646 Wile-E-Coyote
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Do you know where all the rain has gone, it is over here in the UK. We are drowning at the moment it hasn't stopped raining for two months, low pressure system after low pressure system off the Atlantic. Here are some pictures https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=pictures+of+uk+floods+2014&hl=en-GB&rlz=1T4GGNI_en-GBGB542GB542&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=Z3kAU5CcDIeS0QWiwoGwDg&ved=0CC8QsAQ

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:36 | 4442426 Truthseeker2
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MUST READ if you want to know what is causing the California drought!

*

Geoengineered Weather Patterns Wreaking Havoc Across The Planet
Chemtrails and HAARP are the Smoke and Mirrors behind the fabricated ‘Global Cooling’ events

http://cosmicconvergence.org/?p=6184

Mon, 02/17/2014 - 01:10 | 4444228 MeelionDollerBogus
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except there is no global cooling. 2013 may not have beat 2012 but 2012 beat 2011 & each year beat the one before it going back to the late 1990's.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 21:47 | 4440962 nmewn
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Instead of building de-sal and piping it in from the coast to what is otherwise...desert, um, arid land...they thought it was a great idea to depend on snow caps filling their reservoirs & canals and spend 60 billion on bullet trains.

Central planning at its very finest, color me unamused.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 21:52 | 4440980 666
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"Instead of building de-sal and piping it in from the coast..."

Well, that's one way to get the Fukushima radiation into our food faster.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 21:56 | 4440996 nmewn
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lol...I love good humor.

Its like praying for rain from evaporated ocean water! ;-)

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 00:06 | 4441312 willwork4food
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Ahh, you are aware of the gulf stream moisture effect on storms in the spring, right?

 

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 23:11 | 4441198 Oleander
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I have been intentionally avoiding Cali. produce for this reason. Buy local.  If there is any contamination in the produce I do not want to be eating it. 

Some day soon this snow - getting another foot now- will melt. My garden will grow and I will put fruits and veggies up for next winter. 

Due to this storm some stores closed early. The French Toast rush clearded out the bread, milk, and eggs.  Dad had to get to pharmacy by 5pm for his meds. roads by then were slippery mess.  Feb. retail takes another hit.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 12:46 | 4442158 machineh
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Lots of folks back East, they say, is leavin' home every day
Beatin' the hot old dusty way to the California line
'Cross the desert sands they roll, gettin' out of that old dust bowl
They think they're goin' to a sugar bowl but here's what they find

Now the police at the port of entry say
"You're number fourteen thousand for today"

Oh, if you ain't got the do re mi, folks, if you ain't got the do re mi
Why you better go back to your beautiful Texas
Oklahoma, Kansas, Georgia, Tennessee

-- Woody Guthrie

 

This time round, the western neighbors may erect their own ports of entry to keep the fleeing Kalians out.

Don't Pelosify Montana!

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 22:39 | 4441119 Seer
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Ogallala aquifer.  This issue is a bit deeper than political banterings...

And, as the last paragraph states, CA isn't alone.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 22:47 | 4441140 nmewn
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The Ogallala aquifer is east of the Rockies.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 23:49 | 4441286 Creepy Lurker
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Give that man a kewpie doll, he knows the geography of his own country!

But to be serious, the Ogalalla has been over tapped. The shallow end, (in TX) has all but dried up. It will refill eventually, but it will take centuries. However, Seer, it has nothing to do with drought in CA. Sorry.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 01:25 | 4441458 DaveyJones
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"Falling water tables are already adversely affecting harvests in some countries, including China, the world’s largest grain producer. A groundwater survey released in Beijing in August 2001 revealed that the water table under the North China Plain, which produces over half of that country’s wheat and a third of its corn, is falling faster than earlier reported. Overpumping has largely depleted the shallow aquifer, forcing well drillers to turn to the region’s deep fossil aquifer, which is not replenishable.

The survey, conducted by the Geological Environmental Monitoring Institute (GEMI) in Beijing, reported that under Hebei Province in the heart of the North China Plain, the average level of the deep aquifer was dropping nearly 3 meters (10 feet) per year. Around some cities in the province, it was falling twice as fast. He Qingcheng, head of the GEMI groundwater monitoring team, notes that as the deep aquifer is depleted, the region is losing its last water reserve—its only safety cushion.

He Qingcheng's concerns are mirrored in a World Bank report: “Anecdotal evidence suggests that deep wells [drilled] around Beijing now have to reach 1,000 meters [more than half a mile] to tap fresh water, adding dramatically to the cost of supply.” In unusually strong language for a Bank report, it foresees “catastrophic consequences for future generations” unless water use and supply can quickly be brought back into balance.

In the United States, the USDA reports that in parts of Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas-—three leading grain-producing states-—the underground water table has dropped by more than 30 meters (100 feet). As a result, wells have gone dry on thousands of farms in the southern Great Plains. Although this mining of underground water is taking a toll on U.S. grain production, irrigated land accounts for only one-fifth of the U.S. grain harvest, compared with close to three-fifths of the harvest in India and four-fifths in China.

Pakistan, a country with 158 million people that is growing by 3 million per year, is also mining its underground water. In the Pakistani part of the fertile Punjab plain, the drop in water tables appears to be similar to that in India. Observation wells near the twin cities of Islamabad and Rawalpindi show a fall in the water table between 1982 and 2000 that ranges from 1 to nearly 2 meters a year.

In the province of Baluchistan, water tables around the capital, Quetta, are falling by 3.5 meters per year. Richard Garstang, a water expert with the World Wildlife Fund and a participant in a study of Pakistan’s water situation, said in 2001 that “within 15 years Quetta will run out of water if the current consumption rate continues.”

The water shortage in Baluchistan is province-wide. Sardar Riaz A. Khan, former Director of Pakistan’s Arid Zone Research Institute in Quetta, reports that six basins have exhausted their groundwater supplies, leaving their irrigated lands barren. Khan expects that within 10–15 years virtually all the basins outside the canal-irrigated areas will have depleted their groundwater supplies, depriving the province of much of its grain harvest.

Future irrigation water cutbacks as a result of aquifer depletion will undoubtedly reduce Pakistan’s grain harvest. Countrywide, the harvest of wheat—-the principal food staple—-is continuing to grow, but more slowly than in the past.

Iran, a country of 70 million people, is overpumping its aquifers by an average of 5 billion tons of water per year, the water equivalent of one-third of its annual grain harvest. Under the small but agriculturally rich Chenaran Plain in northeastern Iran, the water table was falling by 2.8 meters a year in the late 1990s. New wells being drilled both for irrigation and to supply the nearby city of Mashad are responsible. Villages in eastern Iran are being abandoned as wells go dry, generating a flow of “water refugees.”

Saudi Arabia, a country of 25 million people, is as water-poor as it is oil-rich. Relying heavily on subsidies, it developed an extensive irrigated agriculture based largely on its deep fossil aquifer. After several years of using oil money to support wheat prices at five times the world market level, the government was forced to face fiscal reality and cut the subsidies. Its wheat harvest dropped from a high of 4.1 million tons in 1992 to 1.2 million tons in 2005, a drop of 71 percent."

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 09:26 | 4441822 muleskinner
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The most rainfall I have ever seen in one growing season occurred in 2011.  The amounts flooded the road for 8 weeks.  A different route had to be used.  In 2013 resulted in even more rainfall than 2011's total and another year of a flooded road.  In 2011, one thunderstorm left 3.28 inches of rain in 25 minutes.  Pounded into the dirt.

What was once pasture and hayland is now marsh and what was once a road is now impassable muck.  Roads that had been travelable for 60 plus years were washed out for good.  So wet all that grew were the grasses and some weeds.  Potato plants were 4 inches in height and drowned out.  Drought might be tough on some crops, but too much water is the worst situation you can have.

Creeks that were once dry 100 percent of the time are now full and never go dry.

Never has there been so much water and high watertables.

Mon, 02/17/2014 - 01:09 | 4444225 MeelionDollerBogus
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An important reason to question everything Jim Rogers says about China. A nation can survive many serious problems but running out of water is end-game.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 09:49 | 4441845 Uncle Remus
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And we're draining it like there's no tomorrow, in a self-fulfilling way.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 21:50 | 4440974 BlackChicken
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"President Obama to make $100 million in livestock-disaster aid available"

I agree Fonz, compared to the bank injections this is chump change. The part that really got me is that's what this asshole spent taking his family on a vacation to Africa.

Thanks Obama, or whatever the hell your name is; glad to know you have out backs when things get tough. Freak...

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 22:07 | 4441016 fonzannoon
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They need 60 days to get it available! WTF did they do with JPM's 20 bil fine that was never paid out to any victims? Maybe we could hit that up for starters? we can make it rain with 20 bil, no?

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 23:32 | 4441252 BlackChicken
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Great point Fonz.

I think we all know that fine was just handed back to them directly, or that JPM will be given more insider info to have another quater of ZERO trading losses to make it up in spades.

The delay is because it would help people, it it were intended for the banks, it would have been done yesterday, and an order of magnitude larger.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 22:42 | 4441129 Seer
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"The part that really got me is that's what this asshole spent taking his family on a vacation to Africa."

REALLY?  WIth all the really bad shit going on this is what is pissing you off?  It's been my observations that this kind of impact is mostly viisble with Party Pussies...

Pathetic attempt to sound as though you give a fuck about the REAL issue here...

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 22:49 | 4441146 fonzannoon
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You are right Seer. once you get past the red meat (pun intended) of this the real issue always comes back to infinite growth on a finite planet. everything else is just noise.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 23:14 | 4441189 BlackChicken
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Don't be an asshole.

The part that gets me is he can spend the same amount on his vacation; that's how much he views the threat as.

The FED system/cartel would be at the top of my list if you need to know. For what the taxpayers are on the hook for, we could have cancelled every mortgage in the country; that would have helped people not the parasitic banks.

Nice try though.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 00:44 | 4441381 ThroxxOfVron
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" For what the taxpayers are on the hook for, we could have cancelled every mortgage in the country; that would have helped people not the parasitic banks."

He pretty much DID cancel every mortgage in the country; the problem is that He only did it FOR the Bankers, NOT for the Citizenry.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 21:52 | 4440983 rotagen
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UCSC student thesis computer model predicted in the 90s: Desertification of the entire state and parts of Oregon with Climate Change.

I think the state is screwed, therefore food prices in the entire country are going sky high, this is just the beginning and I don't want to be the last guy out of the state.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 22:46 | 4441137 Seer
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So, people only believe in climate change when it's devistating CA? (not you, I'm just noting that you have 5 up-votes and no down-votes; I agree that the outcome is likely- those giving thumbs-up to you who are non-believers in climate change have some cognitive dissonance issues to deal with [unless, that is, they are just merely haters, in which case it's another issue])

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 23:04 | 4441177 sylviasays
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So the brainwashed leftists at a state run university programmed a computer to predict climate change? Imagine that! So now big government Democrats will have to levy a climate change tax on the middle class! 

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 23:55 | 4441293 Creepy Lurker
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Hey rotagen, wanna buy a nice house in a good neighborhood in Northern CO?

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 22:20 | 4441063 Loanman26
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100 million is chump change in the big scheme of things compared to 85 billion a month to the banks.

Foreign banks to boot.

 

I agree 85 billion %, well maybe I'm not that sure, only 65 billion%.

Their priorities are not our priorities.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 22:43 | 4441133 rubiconsolutions
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"$100 million in livestock-disaster aid available....."

Do the cows get EBT cards? A very mooooving article.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 23:06 | 4441184 Loanman26
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100 million is chump change in the big scheme of things compared to 85 billion a month to the banks.

Foreign banks to boot.

 

I agree 85 billion %, well maybe I'm not that sure, only 65 billion%.

Their priorities are not our priorities.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 04:18 | 4441631 Carpenter1
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I'm so trendy and cool, living in the middle of the desert, er, Norcal, Socal.

 

Californication has consequences.  

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 08:45 | 4441779 lakecity55
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At least Stalin isn't shooting the Kulaks--yet.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 11:42 | 4442049 caconhma
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Banker Mafia owns this country. So, they are doing whatever they want.

 

As for the Mather Nature, whatever it does, it is all for the good.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:01 | 4442324 AngelEyes00
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There's a perfectly good reason why they are waiting 60 days to make the 100 million available.  That's exactly how many day are left in the rainy season in CA.  It could rain, then the money isn't needed.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 21:32 | 4440918 FieldingMellish
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Print your way out of it, the only solution to any problem.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 21:41 | 4440947 comrade rally monkey
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mmm...3d printed grapes and tomatos...tasty

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 21:47 | 4440967 malikai
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"Oh, I know! We'll feed the cattle freshly inked paper.

If they don't eat it, we'll just send in the drones."

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 21:33 | 4440921 Mr Poopra
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Climate Engineering FTW. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yZhh2leRJA

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 21:33 | 4440923 kchrisc
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I guess those farmers should have paid more tribute to Al "Green Alright" Gore."

 

"My guillotine is 'renewable'."

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 22:23 | 4441027 nmewn
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And Obama had the balls (or the "Audacity of a Mope) to stand there in what is otherwise a man-made "greenspace" (its really arid in that neck of the woods) and say this is the result of manmade global warming...lol.

(Humming the tune to Albert Hammonds "It Never Rains in Southern California")

The kiddies can YouTube it.

//////

K...I'm gettin a lot of requests for this...lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pyC7WnvLT4

For the cheeeldren ;-)

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:14 | 4442350 AngelEyes00
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"Obama had the balls (or the "Audacity of a Mope) to stand there in what is otherwise a man-made "greenspace" (its really arid in that neck of the woods) and say this is the result of manmade global warming"

It is:  Because the temperature of the Arctic has gone up so much (due to manmade CO2 emissions) that the temp. gradient (difference) between the Artic and tropics has reduced so much, the jet stream amplitude (path of storms) has increased dramatically, which causes weather to get stuck for longer periods of time, like the high pressure setting just off the West coast of CA, that is driving storms farther north.  Cause and effect. 

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 21:34 | 4440924 seek
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What's fascinating is that AZ -- which gets CA's leftovers, rain wise -- is in fine shape with regards to water.

The difference is how they managed the water they got over time. So CA fucked up resource management, rather than being a victim of the weather -- what a surprise.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 21:36 | 4440930 ShrNfr
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The weather is pretty grim too. There is almost now snowpack out there for a spring melt.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 21:40 | 4440944 oldmanagain
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Not rrue re Az.  Flat earth people are getting annoying.

 

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 21:50 | 4440977 mess nonster
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CAP waters AZ. CA wants CAP's water. Will CA get it? Whoz got da moneeeeeyy/

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 22:21 | 4441067 seek
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Substantial portions of AZ's water come from managed watersheds.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 09:39 | 4441833 Uncle Remus
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Colorado River water. Tribal water rights. This is an old fight.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 22:57 | 4441158 Seer
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I thought that AZ gets its water (other than from wells and aquifers) from the Colorado?

Doesn't seem to me that folks in AZ are feeling all that flush:

http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/23160168/potential-water-shortage-for...

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 23:06 | 4441185 sylviasays
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All leftist hellholes mismanage their water. Tucson is a leftist hellhole. 

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 09:41 | 4441834 Uncle Remus
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Old mob town at that.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 23:43 | 4441272 seek
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Tucson is much more dependent on CAP water than Phoenix and most of northern AZ is.

CAP is fucked for sure, but the reservoirs for north and central AZ are in pretty good shape relative to what's going on in CA.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 21:34 | 4440926 Decolat
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I've noticed that the climate debate is the #1 divider here on ZH. Tyler must love everyone at each other's throats with this shit.

 

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 21:37 | 4440934 ShrNfr
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I suggest that we sacrifice Pelosi to the rain god. It might not give us any rain, but we will be better off anyway.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 22:17 | 4441054 jbvtme
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carefull...it will rain douchebags

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 23:55 | 4441296 BlackChicken
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Awsome.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 22:58 | 4441160 Seer
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Yeah, so we can spare Boehner...

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 21:42 | 4440953 kchrisc
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I thought "Climategate" put an end to that discussion.

 

"Tax the sun!"

Mon, 02/17/2014 - 01:04 | 4444213 MeelionDollerBogus
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it didn't.

Climategate was exposed itself as being a hoax, that one East Anglia fail does not invalidate 30 years of analysis & measurements which still conclusively show global warming is real & caused by humans.

The sun has had NO effect: the incoming solar radiance is not increasing, the OUTGOING has decreased because of the thermal blanket, hence the warmer nights - you know night time, when THERE IS NO SUN giving you heat? Ya, that time.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 21:46 | 4440965 aphlaque_duck
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Chris Martenson gets it right: the climate-changers are dumb, because even if they're right:

1) the theory is hard to accept because it's undermined by short-term daily experience

2) there's nothing an individual can do about it. The discussion deprives people of any sense of agency.

His proposal to create "a world worth inheriting" is based on theories that anyone can act on to preserve and improve their own quality of life. It's peak oil and austrian economics all wrapped up together in a way that empowers you to assess your life and deal with change. I cut my carbon footprint by at least 75% since understanding it all, not because I'm a tree hugger but because I'm a selfish capitalist.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 22:05 | 4441025 Crash Overide
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All you need to know about global warming is the hotter it gets the colder it gets. lol

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 23:00 | 4441168 Seer
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And all you need to know about being stupid is that you THINK you're smart...

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 15:27 | 4442563 Crash Overide
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Are you still upset because of restraining order Al Gore filed against you?

Mon, 02/17/2014 - 01:03 | 4444211 MeelionDollerBogus
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colder? Hasn't been. You must be one of those ignorant Murrikinz who thinks winter hits the entire planet all at once instead of taking turns between North & South hemisphere.

Mon, 02/17/2014 - 01:02 | 4444210 MeelionDollerBogus
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There's PLENTY we can do about it.
Stop producing so much excess heat,
stop producing so much co2 & methane when we could capture it instead of turning it into a thermal blanket,
stop crowding everyone into cities where we use way more power to live than is needed to compensate for being in sardine cans.
DONE 'N' DONE. It would solve the problem pretty quickly.

Mon, 02/17/2014 - 01:01 | 4444209 MeelionDollerBogus
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well didn't ya know, promoting global warming also turns abortions into a human right.

AND gets you a free bitcoin wallet at MtQox.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 21:34 | 4440927 ShrNfr
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We have a lot of free snow in New England. Come take all you want. You are responsible for shipping.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 09:42 | 4441837 Uncle Remus
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Discount on the yellow stuff?

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 21:37 | 4440933 3.7.77
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So who guaranteed the farmers would have a crop?

 

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 21:38 | 4440939 ShrNfr
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Complements of the farm bill, you will pay them if they do or if they don't.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 22:07 | 4441031 Crash Overide
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What no pork jokes about the farm bill? Too soon?

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 23:04 | 4441181 Seer
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Please provide a reference.

I'd suggest that most year-to-year operations are based in insurance that folks actually pay for.  Large-scale emergencies would be addresed by govt (nothing new here).

The various perks in the farm bill are mostly about incentives to produce various things.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 23:13 | 4441196 sylviasays
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 Large-scale emergencies would be addresed by the TAXPAYERS!

 

 

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 13:21 | 4442240 jerry_theking_lawler
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You mean 'subsidized' farm/crop insurance?? Almost had this one right.....you guys are so close on these concepts that it is ridiculous. Just take it one step further and the true understanding will POP out at ya.

 

http://www.rma.usda.gov/aboutrma/what/history.html

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 21:38 | 4440937 wisehiney
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Load up on Cali wines for the grandkids. Just don't invite me over before you die.

(I'd rather drink it with your good looking granddaughters)

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 21:38 | 4440938 DOGGONE
Sat, 02/15/2014 - 21:41 | 4440949 q99x2
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Obama is a front for banksters. The banksters will do what ever it takes to gain complete control over the United States of America. Their efforts are for the purpose of world domination. By controlling the US military industrial complex and the world's financial system a NWO may be effectively put in place.

So what the hell do you think the banksters will do about California?

It is apparent they will do what is required to the people here so that their greater plan succeeds.

They will fail disasteriously.

So knowing that how do we make money?

BTW MtGox is still taking new accounts. You can buy Bitcoin there, sell them on any of the other exchanges and pocket the difference.

 

Mon, 02/17/2014 - 00:58 | 4444206 MeelionDollerBogus
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advising people to check into a roach motel is just mean.

Those same people could be getting a lot of silver maples but instead will get nothing from mtQox as the quatloos are shut down for good there.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 21:42 | 4440952 uncle_vito
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The worse the drought is, the easier for Republicans to gain power, so bring it on.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 22:34 | 4441102 Berspankme
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because we need more of Boehner, Graham, McCain et al

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 23:16 | 4441214 sylviasays
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we definitely need less of Pelosi, Reid, Boxer, Feinstein, Obama, Clinton, et al 

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 23:21 | 4441226 therover
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Boehner, Graham, McCain

Aren't they dry enough already ?

 

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 00:09 | 4441319 Creepy Lurker
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Why? Are they in rehab?

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 21:46 | 4440963 Duc888
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"The worse the drought is, the easier for Republicans to gain power, so bring it on."

 

Yes, Republicans will save the country.

 

Two party fraud, but keep voting, consent to the assrape.

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