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200 Years Of Scorchitude: Professor Warns California To Brace For A "Mega-Drought"
Two years into California's drought and locals are repeating (mantra-like) "we've never seen anything like it." They are right, of course, since this is the worst period of rainlessness since records began... but if Cal Berkeley professor Lynn Ingram is correct, they ain't seen nothing yet. The paleoclimatologist fears, if very long-run history repeats, California should brace itself for a mega drought, as National Geographic reports, a drought that could last for 200 years or more.
California is experiencing its worst drought since record-keeping began in the mid 19th century, and scientists say this may be just the beginning. B. Lynn Ingram, a paleoclimatologist at the University of California at Berkeley, thinks that California needs to brace itself for a megadrought—one that could last for 200 years or more.
As a paleoclimatologist, Ingram takes the long view, examining tree rings and microorganisms in ocean sediment to identify temperatures and dry periods of the past millennium. Her work suggests that droughts are nothing new to California.
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"During the medieval period, there was over a century of drought in the Southwest and California. The past repeats itself," says Ingram, who is co-author of The West Without Water: What Past Floods, Droughts, and Other Climate Clues Tell Us About Tomorrow. Indeed, Ingram believes the 20th century may have been a wet anomaly.
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Unfortunately, she notes, most of the state's infrastructure was designed and built during the 20th century, when the climate was unusually wet compared to previous centuries. That hasn't set water management on the right course to deal with long periods of dryness in the future.
Given that California is one of the largest agricultural regions in the world, the effects of any drought, never mind one that could last for centuries, are huge. About 80 percent of California's freshwater supply is used for agriculture. The cost of fruits and vegetables could soar, says Cantu. "There will be cataclysmic impacts."
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So what is causing the current drought?
Ingram and other paleoclimatologists have correlated several historic megadroughts with a shift in the surface temperature of the Pacific Ocean that occurs every 20 to 30 years—something called the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO). The PDO is similar to an El Nino event except it lasts for decades—as its name implies—whereas an El Nino event lasts 6 to 18 months. Cool phases of the PDO result in less precipitation because cooler sea temperatures bump the jet stream north, which in turn pushes off storms that would otherwise provide rain and snow to California. Ingram says entire lakes dried up in California following a cool phase of the PDO several thousand years ago. Warm phases have been linked to numerous storms along the California coast.
"We have been in a fairly cold phase of PDO since the early 2000s," says Brian Fuchs, a climatologist at the National Drought Mitigation Center, "so the drought we are seeing now makes sense."
That said, scientists caution against pinning the current drought on the PDO alone. Certainly ocean temperatures, wind, and the weather pattern in the Pacific have contributed to the drought, says Nate Mantua, a professor in the department of atmospheric sciences at the University of Washington in Seattle, where the PDO pattern was first discovered and named. "But it's more nuanced than saying the PDO did this." After all, as its name suggests, the PDO is decades in the making.
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Prisoner release. $1000 bounty for every Canadian head, plus US amnesty.
Next.
You fucken war mongers. Would you not be offended if arrogamt assholes mouthed off about invading your country. The solution to your problems won't be found invading other countries. Think you would have learnt that by now.
Please refer to my comment immediately below.
Have at it, Deathproof, we'll let our military take a break on that invasion and the well-armed American sovereigns will handle you.
You just proved my point you dumb fuck.
Haha, big talk from some-one, whose country that hasn't won a single war, in over 50 years.
I thought we won the war on smoking in public buildings?
Is that not a victory worthy of some statute somewhere?
americans and thinking are two concepts too distant one from the other....
And we have here yet another thin-skinned, humorless, hyper-nationalistic Canadian jerk.
They're a dime a dozen.
lol so true.
akak sure called him out, eh?
And we have here with James_Cole yet another thin-skinned, humorless, hyper-sensitive leftist jerk.
They're a dime a dozen.
Why would we Canadians sell you thirsty beggers water? So you can dilute the already sissy weak crap you call beer? As to Canadians being a "dime a dozen" we prefer to be called a "shilling a stone."
It's aboot a lot more than just beer and natural rezorzez and hawkey and dawllars.
Get oot of here. Eh.
Eh, STFU akak the peak oil troll!
You sir, must be a Newfie!!
I have 10 microbreweries within 30 min drive here in SoCal. Just finished a Hennepin from NY.
You undiluted Canadian beer is what....Molson-Coors?
Maudite...
Be sure to see when it was first brewed...
http://www.unibroue.com/en/beers/17
micro breweries is a bit of a misnomer when it comes to the US. They are still kind of big but at least they don't make that budwizer corn shit
Hey Droel...
I've had more firsts here than you have had hot dinners....
Next time don't forget the sarc flag... you haven't earned that exemption yet...
we know you're goal of the day is being first at commenting...
what a poor clueless idiot you are
It's no problem they'll just change it to a carbon tax to fight the ocean cooling.
Just more bullshit disinfo put out there to mask the effect of QE and high grocery prices. This past 6 months shows an average of rainfall for California if you take the time to look at the charts for the past 20 years. Simple lies and deflection for the sheeple to not blame the real culprits for their grocery bill.
And right on cue; President Obama anounces that the EPA will be anouncing new, (tougher=more expensive), truck fuel requirements, "to cut down global warming causing tail-pipe emissions". It's hard to understand what these lunatics imagine they're going to accomplish; making everything more expensive is not a way to improve anything. Sometimes it seems like he and his crazoid EPA are working for foreign agents; or the UN. He's certainly not helping the USA.
That paleoclimatologist is going to be dragged thru te mud for not saying it was global warming!
Drought for 200 years, but then again maybe not.
Can we at least wait for these fuckers to get a 5 day forecast right before we go out two centuries?
Give em hell Fonzannoon.
Fonz...your Hunt brother wine call is looking better buy the day.
Ha, the best part is there is literally no downside, as far as I can see anyway.
Good for you! Nice call. Really..well thought out. Awaiting the Fonzanoon investment letter. LOL.
If you are wrong at least you can consume your channel stuffing. However, I thing you are bang on.
Good ol' Fonz has a hard time grasping the difference between weather and climate...
But here at the Hedge, he is a little like our crazy uncle so we should just smile and ignore him....
it was more about predictions in general, and you made me get all misty eyed with the crazy uncle compliment. Damn you....damn you.
If the shoe fits...
the drought is just HAARP making believers out any remaining democrat deniers
I see your asshole shoes are like a comfy pair of slippers at this point.
Shove it in your mouth.
if the shoe fits, then that must absolutely and unequivocally mean that correlation means causation?
c'mon, admit it, all you have is curve fitting by fancy overblown computer fantasy programs that lack the ability to actually predict ANYTHING.
Naw...
It's about the Fonz being the perfect crazy uncle...
it is of course golden, having an awesome crazy ol uncle. I have a few of 'em, and I am one myself.
but cmon, you can admit it. you know it is the truth. ;) the models predictions after STUNNINGLY short time periods predict utter and complete garbage because they lack some basic fundamental mechanisms and the curve fitting comes from fudge factors.
Your evidence please?
Better yet, show one verified prediction from the Skeptical camp, just one...
While you are at, chew on this comparison from the IPCC AR4
http://www.skepticalscience.com//images/ipcc_ar4_model_vs_obs.gif
I had to laugh at you for including something from AR4.
IPCC's mission statement is to prove man's effect on the climate. Bias, much? One look at details of what the IPCC is doing is enough to know the whole notion is a joke.
For now they got a nice job in academia.
In 200 yrs we can tell them they're wrong. ;-)
FIVE years ago, Climate Commissioner Tim Flannery predicted that the nation's dams would never be full again and major Australian cities would need desalination plants to cater for our water needs.
Yesterday, in his latest report, he said "climate change cannot be ruled out" as a factor in recent flooding rains, which led to some of those dams overflowing.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/slippery-when-wet-tim-flannery...
I guess ur damned if you do and damned if you don't.
damn it
Q: What did the French dam builders say at the end of their daily shift?
A: Eau reservoir.
Of course. It's going to be funny if it rains next year in California; but don't expect any apologies.
Yeah that's the great thing about this field; there aren't any predictions; but human beings love them and keep making them. If She didn't make a prediction; who would have heard of Professor Lynn Ingram? The cognitive problem is caused by human beings short lifetimes; every one thinks whatever happened in their fathers lifetime was "normal"; it wasn't; it was just what was happening at that tiny moment in planetary time, and it was already changing to something else. I'd be willing to bet the twentieth century was an anomaly; but what will the 21st. Century look like ? I have no idea. Neither does any other honest scientist; but the guesses range from rolling dice to pseudo-scientific "studies" of the past; and everybody has one; except as I say, for the 20 real scientists in the world who don't have opinions about things they know they don't know.
O'golpher doesn't seem to notice-the fairways are watered.
So in 10 years when there is no more drought, do we blame it on climate change?
Climate change = BAD. Climate must be kept exactly the way it is now at all cost. Especially if they have to tax us into oblivion to try. After all, its a CRISIS!!
"Climate change = BAD. Climate must be kept exactly the way it is now at all cost. Especially if they have to tax us into oblivion to try. After all, its a CRISIS!!"
THIS: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
And to paraphrase, "CLIMATE CHANGE" IS THE BUREAUCRATS' WET DREAM!
(...Maryland is already taxing citizens for how much rain falls on to their property!!!)
Too bad all Marylanders seem to be athiests. This seems like a clear case of taxing people in retribution for an act of God. One would guess there is a judge or two left who would use common sense.
Wow! Sense more like not you make?
Natronic.
You are most probably right.
They would rather we pleebs debate fantasy, than reality.
Energy production creates pollution.
Scrubbers can mitigate most of that.
Ice core drilling samples show no spike in Co2 levels from the industrial age on..on the long chart climate ....look.
Carbon tax initiatives are another pool of funds from which they can draw. Think Social Security.
Anyone who shits where they eat, is an asshole.
Anoyone who shits where others eat...10x worse.
Taxing carbon by blaming climate change is bullshit.
They can just rehypothicate credits and hand them out to their buddies. Its just the noose getting a bit tighter on the outsiders of their club. Privacy less available for us, more money for them.
What we need here is some good ol' fashioned accountability.
Especially if there is some weather modification going on.
No no Johnny P. In flation is 3%, the drought made food prices go up 3x.
Im like Bill Murray in groundhogs day...about to smash my alarm clock.
RIPS
kind of ironic if you think about it. California has been the most vociferous and activist in mitigating the issues dealing with global warming...and they're the ones that get slammed with the "mega drought."
In the meantime up in Alaska it's February and the girls are wearing bikini's and the rivers are chock full of salmon, etc.
So much for "carbon neutral" as the way to go.
We need MORE greenhouse gas emissions!
Trust me in that most, if not all, Alaskan girls are MILFy like Sarah was...
My bad, she is literally GILFy...
Maybe God is tired of Californian Politicians. More greenhouse gas makes as much sense as anything else; especially since it's only a tiny tiny change in the composition of the atmosphere that we'd ever be able to achieve; and that's where the CO2 came from in t he first place. (The fossil fuels are left over plants that took the co2 from the atmosphere and buried it along with their carboniferous bodies for us to find a long time later).
Natronic.
You are most probably right.
They would rather we pleebs debate fantasy, than reality.
Energy production creates pollution.
Scrubbers can mitigate most of that.
Ice core drilling samples show no spike in Co2 levels from the industrial age on..on the long chart climate ....look.
Carbon tax initiatives are another pool of funds from which they can draw. Think Social Security.
Anyone who shits where they eat, is an asshole.
Anoyone who shits where others eat...10x worse.
Taxing carbon by blaming climate change is bullshit.
They can just rehypothicate credits and hand them out to their buddies. Its just the noose getting a bit tighter on the outsiders of their club. Privacy less available for us, more money for them.
What we need here is some good ol' fashioned accountability.
Especially if there is some weather modification going on.
No no Johnny P. In flation is 3%, the drought made food prices go up 3x.
Im like Bill Murray in groundhogs day...about to smash my alarm clock.
RIPS
I hear Detroit could use some people and probably plenty of other shithole cities across the US
They are just making it up, AGAIN. Sea surface temperatures tell you nothing, since we only really began taking ocean measurements in the 60s. There is plenty of mixing in the ocean so you cannot read too much in to sea surface temps for any given short period of time. Some scientist is fishing for grant money or tenure. The highest likelyhood is that the drought will end with too much rain and some scientist will then predict a deluge and we will all build arks.
Putting aside that this article hardly makes the case for man made global warming and will probably be cited by Drudge against it, you do realize that scientists have developed ways to measure past sea surface temperatures long before humans measured it, right? The bomb was developed by scientists paid by government, and the scientists used theory and models to predict outcomes. Thousands of nuclear missiles seem to suggest that they got it right. Regardless of where you fall on the issue of man made global warming, anyone who thinks a bunch of research scientists are making up data to get grants and that scientific deduction is pointless is either delusional or so ideological that their brain is hardwired for a result that agrees with pre-determined ideas.
"Emails bet Penn State and Univ of East Anglia", much?
That dog done quit huntin a while ago...
Not this dog.
One of the Mann-Steyn lawsuit claims hits a rockhttp://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/02/17/one-of-the-mann-steyn-lawsuit-clai...
The Mann libel case has been attracting increasing commentary, including from people outside the climate community. Integral to Mann’s litigation are representations that he was “investigated” by 6-9 investigations, all of which supposedly gave him “exonerations” on wide-ranging counts, including “scientific misconduct”, “fraud”, “academic fraud”, “data falsification”, “statistical manipulation”, “manipulation of data” and even supposed findings that his work was “properly conducted an fairly presented”. Mann also represented that these investigations were widely covered in international and national media and thus known to Steyn and the other defendants...
...not only did the Oxburgh panel not exonerate Mann, at their press conference, Oxburgh panelist David Hand, then President of the Royal Statistical Society, made very disparaging and critical comments about Mann’s work, describing it as based on “inappropriate” statistics that led to “exaggerated” results. These comments were widely reported in international media...
I was going to be nice this evening but saw what Flak was up to, so I posted this comment and junked every post he made. I'll come back in the am to junk more of them.
Believing something that cames from WUWT is like taking Jim Cramer at face value...
Psst...
Creating the false equivalence between a libel case and the veracity of AGW fools no one except those that want to be fooled...
And we clearly know where your hat is hung...
FWIW, the only academic fraud clearly demonstrated in Mann Hockey Stick Affair was on the part of Wegman...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wegman_Report
Too bad he was the goto guy for your side...
its funny how you show up here in force to be the Fone Douche Star of AGW threads All hail Fonemeister
it makes one wonder how you got a PhD, assuming tactics like splicing dissimilar data sets together and discarding portions that dont fit your preconceived notions being perfectly acceptable - oh, kinda like EXACTLY what those fuckers did with the hockey stick?
that has been shown to be a chock of shit a million ways till tuesday, yet you still try to defend it? inconceivable, except from the most indoctrinated of fools.
You realize that is exactly what McIntyre and McKittrick did in their attempt to rebut the hockey stick...
Besides Manns hockey stick has been verifired so many times it ain't even funny
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_large-scale_temperature_reconstruct...
Most recently here
http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v6/n5/full/ngeo1797.html
Attempt? I LOL'd. McIntyre showed what an utter bastardization of statistics the hockey stick was. Only indoctrinated saps still believe that taperstry the hockey stick tries to paint.
Was this before or after McIntyre cherry picked the principle components by hand to fake a hockey stick?
Wegman was so fucking incompetent that when he made McIntyres code public he forgot to remove the part where the cherry pick occcured...
http://deepclimate.org/2010/11/16/replication-and-due-diligence-wegman-s...
Mann's results have been verified numerous times, M+Ms have not been....
hah...Mann et al could have saved many a person a ton of effort if they had simply revealed their black box methodology! Instead they force people to replicate stuff to see if they can fuck up the inputs in the same way Mann et al did!
Are you trying to say Briffa's joke of tree ring selection wasnt the ultimate cherry pick?
or that Mcintyre's "cherry pick" was somehow not a thousand times less blatant than the data set splicing between trees, ice cores, intrument record, discarding overlapping portions as necessary to eliminate the possibility of trend lines going where they didnt want them to?
It should not require a thousand hours of sleuthing for one scientist to look at another's work to go "aha, I see what you did THERE..." especially when if Mann et al were even remotely confident of what was INSIDE the black boxes they use to churn out model output, they would have gleefully handed data and methodology over and said HERE HAVE AT IT, GO AHEAD AND *TRY* TO DISPROVE MY THEORY!
hhhnnnnnnnnnnnnope, its "the data's out there, go find it yourself" and "my methodology is derived from the data, so you should be able to replicate that too"....
what would your physics teacher have said to you if you tried to pull that crap with him while you were a student of his? he'd backhand bitch slap you, if he had an ounce of scruples.
Mann et al, the Jerry Sanduskies of climate science. Perverting and bastardizing wherever they wish so that the correct result may be obtained. Lysenko would be impressed.
You can use any methodology you like to analyse the data...
Go ahead, fame and fortune awaits you...
BTW, Climategate is a dog that don't bark no more if you catch my drift...
So quit living in the past...
two concepts:
the sandusky treatment, and
east anglia
both utter whitewashes of "investigations." people should have been fired over what was contained in there, but since its politically correct, all they're worried about is how the data was obtained, not what it says or the malfeasance and peer review capture it so blatantly displays.
really, that's like saying "well the government just told us the unemployment numbers went down..." while relying on utterly fucked up government GIGO stats. but hey let's ignore those, because the people who control the data supposely have SOUND METHODOLOGIES, right??? (and we can read "control the data" as "massage in any number of jacked up ways in order to display a predetermined result.)
that such lengths needed to be gone through to replicate the results of Mann et al is evidence of their fkd up methodology. sure one can use any methodology, but is it sound? you're giving me circular arguments.
No one is paying attention to your flawed sophistries and slander....
Save your breath....
Honest to god you can not be that stupid. Seriously are you on drugs?
No, are you? Because you are clearly clinging to some kind of alternate reality...
Tobacco scientists, much? There is always going to be misinformation. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure that out. But rocket scientists are not idiots because they are paid by the government or by corporations. Think for yourself.
Sadly the corruption runs so deep in the empire that everything is looked at with a cynical eye. How can one ever know the truth in an empire of lies?
How Can ONE man Own All the Water in California? How is this possible? How did it happen? When? Why? Who?
Meet Stewart Resnick, Israeli who being the richest man in California, lobbied to have Cali's water 'privatized' and then he bought it ALL.
Oligarch Valley: How Beverly Hills billionaire farmers Lynda and ... mondoweiss.net/.../oligarch-valley-how-beverly-hills-billion...
Mondoweiss
-Stewart and Lynda Resnick Beverly Hill's #1 King-Maker Couple Israel Dual Citizenship of course ... California's billionaire-dominated public water system.
Made their billions in Pomegranate Juice, and then bottled water. Today Resnick is the 'richest WATER man' on earth.
His plan is/was to send all water to $20/gallon, and he owns it all. Making him the worlds first "TRILLIONAIRE".
satoshi411, are you claiming that one man is behind draining all the fresh water from the sierra nevadas into the ocean to save a bait fish called the delta smelt? He must have put up a lot of money to buy that legislative arrangement. Anyway...
Google: Conspiracy Ideation
It's a fancy term that means "I'll make shit up when it it is too complicated for the me to understand:...
Any way, Satoshi is one of the test subjects in an on going study Internet study about it...
See here for example:
http://www.frontiersin.org/personality_science_and_individual_difference...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stewart_Resnick
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Take some time to google "resnick and water",
When you get really bored google "suterra isocyanate sterilization"
Then when you get really bored google "Suterra Israel IDF"
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Isocynate systems sold to CIA/MOSSAD by Suterra ( resnicks company ), are the world leader to slow pill form bio-warfare. Essentially aerial spraying of bio-weapons encased in 'crazy glue', allow the host to carry in their lungs up to 6 months after inhaling the toxin, and then release.
Magic, ... the ultimate non-denial.
Why don't you write 10,000 words for Rolling Stone and earn a little cred before blowing trying to blow what may or may not be significant smoke up everyones ass...
Something tells me, that you are chasing farts in the wind...
Stewart Resnick, the Beverly Hills billionaire owner of Paramount Farms in Kern County, as a "one-man environmental wrecking crew."
The powerful agribusiness tycoon has been instrumental in campaigns to eviscerate Endangered Species Act protections for Central Valley Chinook salmon and Delta smelt, to eradicate striped bass in California, and to build the fish-killing peripheral tunnels.
Yet the wealthy agribusinessman also wears another hat - "environmental leader." Yes, Resnick serves on the board of directors of Conservation International, a corporate "environmental" NGO, noted for its top-down approach to conservation and involvement with corporate greenwashing throughout the world.
Conservation International was the top recipient of Walton Family Foundation money in 2012, receiving $22,650,774, including $5,725,000 for the Bird's Head Seascape, $4,214,881 for the Eastern Tropical Pacific Seascape and 12,718,763 for "Other Environmental Grants."
While serving on the board of Conservation International, Resnick become notorious for buying subsidized Delta water and then selling it back to the public for a big profit, as revealed in an article by the late Mike Taugher in the Contra Costa Times on May 23, 2009. (http://www.revivethesanjoaquin.org/content/pumping-water-and-cash-delta)
"As the West Coast's largest estuary plunged to the brink of collapse from 2000 to 2007, state water officials pumped unprecedented amounts of water out of the Delta only to effectively buy some of it back at taxpayer expense for a failed environmental protection plan, a MediaNews investigation has found," said Taugher.
Taugher said the "environmental water account" set up in 2000 to "improve" the Delta ecosystem spent nearly $200 million mostly to benefit water users while also creating a "cash stream for private landowners and water agencies in the Bakersfield area."
"No one appears to have benefited more than companies owned or controlled by Stewart Resnick, a Beverly Hills billionaire, philanthropist and major political donor whose companies, including Paramount Farms, own more than 115,000 acres in Kern County," Taugher stated. "Resnick's water and farm companies collected about 20 cents of every dollar spent by the program."
Resnick and his wife, Lynda, own Roll International, a Los Angeles-based holding company that includes both global agricultural operations and well-known brands. The Resnicks' companies include Paramount Citrus, Paramount Farming, and Paramount Farms, the world's largest growers, processors, and marketers of citrus, almonds, and pistachios. The couple's holdings also include POM Wonderful, FIJI Water, Teleflora, Suterra, and JUSTIN Vineyard.Dubbed the "POM Queen," Lynda is behind the marketing success of POM Wonderful 100% pomegranate juice and Wonderful Pistachios.
One of the largest private water brokers in the U.S., Roll International makes millions of dollars in profits off marketing subsidized public water back to the public, confirmed independent journalist Yasha Levine.
"Through a series of subsidiary companies and organizations, Roll International is able to convert California's water from a public, shared resource into a private asset that can be sold on the market to the highest bidder," said Levine in "How Limousine Liberals, Water Oligarchs and Even Sean Hannity are Hijacking Our Water" on alternet.org. (http://www.alternet.org/story/144020/how_limousine_liberals,_water_oliga...)
More recently, Lois Henry of the Bakersfield Californian revealed how the Resnicks have made a profit selling water from the Kern County Water Bank, through a complicated series of maneuvers, to supply a 2,000 acre development called Gateway Village in Madera County.(http://www.bakersfieldcalifornian.com/columnists/lois-henry/x429884005/L...)
The Resnicks are known for the influence they have exerted over California politicians from both the Democratic and Republican parties, including former Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, Governor Jerry Brown, Senator Dianne Feinstein, Senate President Pro Tem Darrell Steinberg and others, through campaign contributions. (http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2010/02/15/18637867.php)
The Resnicks contributed $99,000 to Jerry Brown's 2010 campaign (http://californiawatch.org/dailyreport/brown-and-whitmans-contributions-...).
The Resnicks exert their influence over California politics in other ways besides direct contributions to political campaigns. For example, the executives of Paramount Farms have also set up an Astroturf group, the Coalition for a Sustainable Delta, that engages in green washing campaigns such as one blaming striped bass, rather than water exports, for salmon and other fish declines.
Restore the Delta, a coalition opposed to the construction of the peripheral tunnels, pointed out that Resnick, who is one of the biggest Delta water diverters, is not suffering during the drought as family farmers, northern California cities and counties and imperiled salmon and steelhead are. In fact, Fortune magazine on January 21, 2014 wrote about Resnick's $100,000,00 five year advertising campaign to market the "Halos" brand mandarins, as well as their $220 million packinghouse to process the crop.
"Halos' owner -- Los Angeles-based company Roll Global, which also makes POM Wonderful pomegranate juice and Fiji Water -- plans to as much as double output in the next five years," the magazine said. "In order to juice demand, the company recently launched a five-year, $100 million ad campaign, $20 million of which will be spent this year on marketing and TV ads already playing across the country. This season the Halos packinghouse will process the country's largest mandarin harvest, tens of millions of boxes of the fruit."
It's a pity that unattributed cutting and pasting is seen as academic fraud, you could have been a star...
you must be a paid troll
You couldn't pay me enough to put up with the idiots here...
I was cursed by Zeus and this is my punishment...
Living as an entitlement slave on the bankrupt government entitlement plantation, Flakmeister has nothing better to do than troll here for free.
And lightning never strikes twice in the same place also.
If you feel that way, then why are you here?
so you volounteer like those suicide bombers
The leader of these recent water privatization efforts in California is a Beverly Hills billionaire named Stewart Resnick. Stewart and his wife,
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I love it when BOTS cheap Indian bot's on the Goldman-Sacks nickel come here and put words on a comment that another didn't say.
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Here's what I said ...
The leader of these recent water privatization efforts in California is a Beverly Hills billionaire named Stewart Resnick. Stewart and his wife,
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Resnick is the richest man in CALIFORNIA, and in early 1980's he made himself the 'water master' a political appointment by governor. Resnick has owned every CALI politician since the 1970's, DEM&PUG. He owned Scharwnegger, and he now owns Jerry Brown.
Once Resnick became 'water master' he declared that all water to be privatized in the state, and then he held auctions and he bought ALL the fucking water.
He even owns a vast portion of the water-rights in Eastern Oregon, where its normal to BUY LAND, but you don't get the water rights,
Long ago AIPAC took control of the water, .... long ago
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Most interesting of Resnicks holdings is SUTERRA the #1 producer of isocyanate bio-delivery, HQ now in ISRAEL its used world-wide to sterilize humans, insects, and critters.
Back in Monterery a few years ago "Gypsy Moth" Resnick got 1/2 Billion USD from the NSA/CIA to kill the insects in liberal SF,... Resnicks company always gets the FEMA contracts for world widce sterilization programs field tested for years in south america.
Ain't that the truth.
Snort, I just made a funny.
"Putting aside that this article hardly makes the case for man made global warming and will probably be cited by Drudge against it, you do..."
It is not about the validity or the invalidity of the analysis. It is about the subsequent government action taken against its owners disguised under the cover of "doin'-good."
Theft is theft, no matter what the "authorities" call it.
That's just silly. Of course assholes are going to use information and equally disinformation to enrich themselves. But that doesn't render it irrelevant whether we humans are affecting our ability to survive as a species by (coincidentally?) continuing a status quo that has made oligarchs of oil magnates. Keep in mind that these changes take generations and sociopaths don't care about anyone but themselves. Grants. Jesus. They would make 50X as much working for the oil companies. But they lie for grants. Because that fits the ideology. Really?
@ ltelter
WTF did you just say. Please translate.
You and I have a communication breakdown.
How is it theft for scientists to reach a conclusion? You seem to be attacking the conclusion rather than those who seek to profit from it. If the large majority of scientists are correct, we need to make changes. The fact that some seek to profit from the conclusions does not render the science invalid.
Well said and that is indeed the crux of the ideological issue...
"How is it theft for scientists to reach a conclusion?"
It is not, but when you intend to use those conclusions to facilitate government intervention in to the wallets of citizens then it is.
"You seem to be attacking the conclusion rather than those who seek to profit from it"
So, the recipient of an "attack" is whichever one is seeking a profit?
"If the large majority of scientists are correct, we need to make changes."
Who are WE, bub? That's the rub, bub, I am not living in your Kantian dream. Leave ME out of your WE.
" we need to make changes"
Changes? ya mean like stealing from me so, you know, you and yours can serve "the cause?"
"The fact that some seek to profit from the conclusions does not render the science invalid."
Huh? Validity is rendered by either not contradicting the facts (valid) or contradicting the facts (invalid). The profitablity of this or that is irrelevant and does not alter the facts.
"If the large majority of scientists are correct"
is the crux of the matter - climate "scientists" are telling us they are absolutely without a doubt correct, yet the models produced can only accomplish a modicum of curve fitting, there are gaping holes in AGW theory and these fuggin guys are sitting there worrying about climate sensitivity and entirely forgetting to have a solar physicist or 10 on the team to explain to them WHY the jetstream is wobbling like a gyro losing its momentum right now. hint, it doesnt have jack shit to do with co2 or ANYTHING man is doing.
gravy comes in many forms, you know this. if all I have to do is keep writing bullshit papers and tangentially attempt to link man's co2 output to it in order to get my gravy from the government and keep my cushy office and job and make all kinds of money spouting propaganda from my overblown assertions cranked out from half baked models...why, that sounds like a pretty nice and easy life. hidden away in academia to tinker with play models and never have to have one's feet put to the fire and actually have predictability in one's output.
*exhales*
predictability is the ENTIRE USEFULNESS OF A MODEL. if it cant predict shit, it aint worth shit.
Currently the ENSO is not predictable 2 years out...
Otherwise the models are bang on...
bang on? *facepalm* you have got to be kidding me....dude it is just astonishing, some of the crap you say.
Here ya go:
http://www.skepticalscience.com//images/ipcc_ar4_model_vs_obs.gif
If the large majority of scientists are correct, we need to make changes.
If the large majority of scientists are wrong, we need to make changes.
Democracy is tyranny of the majority.
A large majority of dismal scientists support the economic activity of the central banks
A large majority of engineering scientists certainly did't sign any paper questioning the the scientific result or methodology of the NIST or the 9/11 Commission Report
The greater meaning of free speech
and BTW, your petition for redress was in Philadelphia in July 2012. The 1% won again.
Rand and Flak just tag-teamed the ZH crowd into stunned silence.
Read the fucking link
Yeah, and scientist have also developed techniques of drumming up enviropanic to raise grant money. And this guy does work at UC Berzerkeley, along with famous Krugman-fluffer, Brad DeLong.
Berzekeley scientists developed the first microprocessor that powers your computer. It would be ironic to some that you are typing on a computer railing against fascism saying the citizen funded science (that you don't begin to understand) must be stopped because it may threaten the stranglehold that oligarchs have on our society.
Wow....
I only wish that I could be so graceful in pointing out that someone is a complete moron...
LetThemEatRand and Flakmeister = arrogrant leftist assholes living on the government entitlement plantation.
Yeah you know this is a great, bold point you make and I'm sure it's bound to get you some high marks. You should get some mileage out of it too as we needed to lower the bar around here anyway.
and what about geotermical heat that is coming from the depths of the planet?
do the so called "climatologists" include also geotermical exchange?
Drought? Fuck! Find a way to tax the shit out of somebody - fast!
I have a National Geographic from the 1970's that was moaning about "Global Cooling."(TM)
There wasn't as much money to be made off of "cooling". People fear heat more than cold.
Fear is the optimal emotion to utilize when attempting to evoke a response from an unknowing or apathetic populace.
asshats....cold is so much more dangerous it aint even funny. easy enough to splash oneself with water if it gets too hot, but not many people know tummo breathing to keep themselves warm when its freezing out.
That is a straw man argument. The element of danger was never presented as to heat or cold. Fear was the premise.
Pray tell, what issue?
Or are you just making shit up?
november 1976
suggest you get a computer
install Google
use google
there will be a space for you to type in a question and you can follow that once it gives you a few answers
you may find it gves you millions of possibilities but usually what you are looking for is in the first ten hits
maybe yu shold have some juice
While Samuel Matthews did indeed author an article for the November 1976 Nat Geo entitlted "What';s Happening to our Climate" it certainly wasn't about what you claim...
It was about Ice Core dating and Dating methods...
Are you just a punk kid, or just ignorant? Global cooling was all the hype in the 70's.
Not only that, papers expecting warming outnumberd the frosties 6 to 1....
http://www.skepticalscience.com/ice-age-predictions-in-1970s.htm
and neither one came true
the more you know...do ding doooooo
Keep trolling buddy...
200 years? Fuck I better start stocking up on the wine before it's too late.
Don't worry, the province of Languedoc in France produces more grapes than all of California...
Ca is pushing water bonds, we had 1 dry year, we used to claim drought after 3-4 bad years, worse the NOAA is predicting normal to wet year for CA
Similarly, the US scientific agency — National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration ( NOAA) in its recent report has stated that most models predict ENSO ((El Nino-Southern Osciallation) neutral conditions to continue through the Northern Hemisphere spring. "After that, models predict either ENSO neutral or El Nino (greater or equal to +0.5oC) during the Northern Hemisphere summer 2014," it states.
http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2014-01-29/news/46782593_1_...
Data - based science is a bitch.
data based science predicting the future?
a guess about the future is a guess about the future no matter what the past says
You should lay off the stupid sauce...
if someone knocked on your door yesterday at noon, does that mean someone will knock at your door tomorrow at noon?
last spin came up black on the roulette wheel, what will happen on the next spin?
fossils of dinosaurs have been dug up repeatedly, when will the dinosaurs return?
what happened in the past is in no way guaranteed to happen in the future
LOL! What the past clearly shows is that the world will stay exactly the SAME just cuz you're in it.
I bet you're astonished every morning when the sun rises. Lunar cycles probably blow your mind every four weeks, too.
Flakmeister is one of those "experts" living high on the hog on taxpayer-funded grants to sound off in favor of govt directed fantasies.
I can assure you that no serious and active climate scientist would ever post here...
Seriously...
No shit...
yup, they make their own blogs and censor anyone that points out their fallacies
You are clearly confused with WUWT....
not at all - people that post stupid shit on WUWT get their voice heard, even if they do get beaten down until submission or simply leaving. people post contrary crap there all the time in the comments - but since you seem to get your information from places that have predetermined opinions on a great many things, it is no surprise you take an example of something "your side" does with aplomb and simply ascribes the behavior to the opponent.
try posting something that doesnt agree with AGW on realclimate and the post gets deleted, do it too many times and they ban you.
there is no place where dissent gets shouted down so loudly as the halls of AGW land.
The only people that get moderated at Real Climate are those that swear, post ad homs and are rude...
BTW, there are all kinds of posts at RC that disagree with AGW....
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Whereas at WUWT, you have a sock puppet Smokey, also being a moderator DBStealey...
Documented here among other places
http://rabett.blogspot.com/2012/09/celebrity-deathmatch.html
so we invest in water pipelines and de-salination plants.....if we have the will we will find a way......
Rain follows the plow . .
"so we invest in water pipelines and de-salination plants.....if we have the will we will find a way......"
Ya mean private know how and git-er-done can resolve human problems without the government stealing from its owners?
/wink
Oh, I know some of you will just love this one:
Israel is creating a water surplus using desalination (Feb 2014)
Roughly 1.3m acres of almonds, walnuts, pistachios planted in Ca. Fallow all of it and divert water saved to lettuce, corn, rice, etc.
If you went a month without an almond would you know it? Of course too much hedge find money tied up in almonds for the above to happen.
Expect more Ca drought drama in the weeks/months ahead.
use a caloric and protein based logic to save the almonds and fallow the lettuce
eat 30 almonds a day
its good for you
actually 6 a day will give you one of the essential fats you need
i really like almonds
Screw the ice-berg lettuce. I needs my almond milk. Currently $9.08 per gallon.
Wouldn't that be almond juice.
As Lewis Black said, ""There's no such thing as soy milk, it's soy juice .... any time you say soy juice, you actually start to gag".