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200 Years Of Scorchitude: Professor Warns California To Brace For A "Mega-Drought"
Two years into California's drought and locals are repeating (mantra-like) "we've never seen anything like it." They are right, of course, since this is the worst period of rainlessness since records began... but if Cal Berkeley professor Lynn Ingram is correct, they ain't seen nothing yet. The paleoclimatologist fears, if very long-run history repeats, California should brace itself for a mega drought, as National Geographic reports, a drought that could last for 200 years or more.
California is experiencing its worst drought since record-keeping began in the mid 19th century, and scientists say this may be just the beginning. B. Lynn Ingram, a paleoclimatologist at the University of California at Berkeley, thinks that California needs to brace itself for a megadrought—one that could last for 200 years or more.
As a paleoclimatologist, Ingram takes the long view, examining tree rings and microorganisms in ocean sediment to identify temperatures and dry periods of the past millennium. Her work suggests that droughts are nothing new to California.
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"During the medieval period, there was over a century of drought in the Southwest and California. The past repeats itself," says Ingram, who is co-author of The West Without Water: What Past Floods, Droughts, and Other Climate Clues Tell Us About Tomorrow. Indeed, Ingram believes the 20th century may have been a wet anomaly.
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Unfortunately, she notes, most of the state's infrastructure was designed and built during the 20th century, when the climate was unusually wet compared to previous centuries. That hasn't set water management on the right course to deal with long periods of dryness in the future.
Given that California is one of the largest agricultural regions in the world, the effects of any drought, never mind one that could last for centuries, are huge. About 80 percent of California's freshwater supply is used for agriculture. The cost of fruits and vegetables could soar, says Cantu. "There will be cataclysmic impacts."
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So what is causing the current drought?
Ingram and other paleoclimatologists have correlated several historic megadroughts with a shift in the surface temperature of the Pacific Ocean that occurs every 20 to 30 years—something called the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO). The PDO is similar to an El Nino event except it lasts for decades—as its name implies—whereas an El Nino event lasts 6 to 18 months. Cool phases of the PDO result in less precipitation because cooler sea temperatures bump the jet stream north, which in turn pushes off storms that would otherwise provide rain and snow to California. Ingram says entire lakes dried up in California following a cool phase of the PDO several thousand years ago. Warm phases have been linked to numerous storms along the California coast.
"We have been in a fairly cold phase of PDO since the early 2000s," says Brian Fuchs, a climatologist at the National Drought Mitigation Center, "so the drought we are seeing now makes sense."
That said, scientists caution against pinning the current drought on the PDO alone. Certainly ocean temperatures, wind, and the weather pattern in the Pacific have contributed to the drought, says Nate Mantua, a professor in the department of atmospheric sciences at the University of Washington in Seattle, where the PDO pattern was first discovered and named. "But it's more nuanced than saying the PDO did this." After all, as its name suggests, the PDO is decades in the making.
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How's about "almond dissolved solute in a hydro-solvent"? Mmm... almond solution.
theres no money freeing the shit out of people anymore. so the are gona make money saving the shit out of the whole world.
But we will need more illegals to do the work that Americans won't do.... like dig feckin' boreholes and aquifers,....
My mexican neighbor just lost his job of 30 years as a chef at a local hotel. They hired a new mexican chef. Illinois is a sanctuary state. I don't know what the legal residents don't understand about that state directive. Their kids can't even find jobs anymore. Vote democrat, there're 30 million more waiting to come here for a job that no longer exists. Food stamps and section 8 for everyone! I forgot the child tax credit, to boot.
Whoa, even time magazine is questioning der fuhrer
Obama Plays Water Guzzling Desert Golf Courses Amid California Drought Read more: Obama Plays Water Guzzling Desert Golf Courses Amid California Drought | TIME.comOff topic. It looks like the MIC is gearing up for our next distraction:
North Korea’s Kim Jong-un forced mothers to drown newborn babies: U.N. report
http://p.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/feb/17/un-warns-north-koreas-kim-...
You know when the press starts printing stories about the bad guy killing babies, that they are preparing for war.
just like the iraqis throwing babies out of kuwaiti incubators
it was a lie, but made for a real nice little war
2 down arrows?
wonder why?
the FACT that the baby/incubator story was a lie?
or the nice little war comment?
i was there so i get to say what i want
like the "N"word
I'm a bit of a spreadsheet monkey at work, so someone please correct me (Tall Tom, I'm lookin' in your direction, calc boy), but why is the subject of this article about a 200-year drought but then the chart shows oscellations spanning 114 years? Wouldn't 200 years be needed to attain a full sinusoid curve? Wouldn't 400 years be even better, so as to confirm the second 200 was a repeat? I remember in 5th grade when I had to do a report on Chile, which has the Atacama desert. Apparantly, it didn't rain there for 400 consecutive years! Somehow, whoever wrote my textbook was able to find data to support that claim; or had bigger balls to make it up.
So to quote,
"As a paleoclimatologist, Ingram takes the long view, examining tree rings and microorganisms in ocean sediment to identify temperatures and dry periods of the past millennium. Her work suggests that droughts are nothing new to California."
Clearly she has some raw data for this evaluation, why not present this instead?
i read about this like ten years ago
tree rings are much narrower during drought years
they were looking at a certain kind of long living trees' rings
had lotsa data then saying that recent history was an anomolie in terms of the volume of rain
whole southwest has been in a long wet period
even had photos of the rings
its actually obvious even to the layman what they are looking at
i however find it difficult to believe that we will necesarily return to the long droughts
look at egypt...used to be very wet and fertile around the area of the pyramids...doesnt mean it is guaranteed to be that way again
the only thing genuinely stays the same is that things change
i dont believe you can truly call the planet a closed system and entropy is a bitch
OR
you can go full blown conspiratard and say thet them thar theys are using HAARP to prevent rain to diminish the effect of radiation from fukushima
if that ever turns out to be true, you heard it here first folks
"tree rings are much narrower during drought years
they were looking at a certain kind of long living trees' rings
had lotsa data then saying that recent history was an anomolie in terms of the volume of rain
whole southwest has been in a long wet period
even had photos of the rings"
As written above here has me confused. Does the distance from one ring to the next a function of the amount of rainwater received or the temperature? Or both? If it's both, what percentage is attributable to temperature and water absorbed? I'm by no means an arborist, but it'd seem to me that hot and wet would make this generic tree grow faster than cold and dry. But then secondary data would needed to cancel out the "hot" to attribute distance between rings as "wet" and vice-versa; then additional data from a non-tree-related source would be needed. That opens up a whole new can of assumptions.
With such a piece-wise data manipulation, you could end up with one of those "hockey-stick" curves; and we on ZH know where that gets us...
"Does the distance from one ring to the next a function of the amount of rainwater received or the temperature? Or both..."
And don't forget it is not just water, but nutrients that make all living things grow. I forget if it is the california redwoods or some forest in Alaska that has such tall trees because the eagles drop the salmon carcasses in the woods. Living things need more than just water...
Exactly. Too many unaccounted variables. Maybe after 200 years of computational fluid dynamics from a Crey super-computer, we'll have a better answer. I seek to understand "how".
I will defer the reader to your poignants posts defining the root-causes on "why" the tree-ring and sediment method of evaluation continues to be used.
Not TOO many at all. Just the exact amount.
You my not-so-dear have copped out.
Cough it up.
One more variable to throw in here from personal experience. In the late 80s we had a "false spring" up in my neck of the woods. Warmed too early, the trees started to bud, then had a hard frost. The trees had next to no leaves on them that year, even tho IIRC, the temp/rainfall was more or less average for the summer.
In years following, I started noticing that recent narrow ring on nearly every tree I processed for firewood. (Hardwoods only, softwoods should have been less effected.) Still adds to the point, you can't measure ring thickness and be able to say "aha! it was dry that year!"
interesting point
what i had read was focussed on the amount of water being critical to nice thick rings
perhaps that needs to be revisited
scientists seem to get laser focused on a particular aspect and ignore the whole picture
my dad was an actual JPL Bell labs rocket scientist, but he had zero common sense, and i swear he could have drowned in a good rain like a turkey
"I'm a bit of a spreadsheet monkey at work, so someone please correct me (Tall Tom, I'm lookin' in your direction, calc boy), but why is the subject of this article about a 200-year drought but then the chart shows oscellations..."
Good point but don't get too caught up in the numbers. The issue to focus on is:
Does the gov have the right to steal from you in order to massage the numbers analysis in such a way that your bondage can change the climate patterns?
Does the gov have the right to steal from you in order to massage the numbers analysis in such a way that your bondage can change the climate patterns?
+1
best of thread
Thanks!!!
I hope it was not disparaging, but just trying to get to fundamentals.
Fill your boots buddy...
All the data is public domain, so if you think that someone missed something, go ahead and show us...
Unless of course, you would just rather sit around the pickle barrel and blow smoke up everyones ass...
LOL...now is that raw data, or after its been through a biased meat grinder? I wouldnt trust a single number that came from Hansen, Mann, etc, they have proven themselves to be nothing more than AGW cheerleaders, not scientists.
a real scientist would actually be open to the possibility his hypothesis is wrong.
all the 'data' is statistical noise
.1 degrees over a hundred years on a planet
shit
i have experienced temperatures in new york state that have varied from 40 below to over a hundred
IN THE SAME year and in the same location
Hey, go ahead and demonstrate he is wrong...
The data is all there...
But we know that is way beyond your pay grade...
So quit with your bloviating bullshit...
It impresses no one...
empty all those swimming pools
That will harm the endangered malarial mosquitos...
To quote the late great Sam Kinison, "YOU LIVE IN A F****** DESERT!!!!!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0q4o58pKwA
+1 for Kinison. RIP...
Sam Kinison..... He was taken too soon.
So we get an an El Nino and California gets a little relief while Texas fries...
Eventually no one is going to be able to hide from global warming...
Deal with it...
Bitchez...
Flak, I expect you have been following the events in the high arctic over the last 24 months? You would know about sea ice melt, Greenland and arctic tundra melt. Events are now easily 50-75 years ahead of what was modelled just a few years ago. This can only mean that the postivie feedback loops up there are now in full swing. The jet stream is reacting to the warmth of the arctic and settng in place the extreme weather that is part of global warming. So I will not preach to the choir. I only wonder what you think about how fast this has happened? I was taken by surprise myself. I know what is going on, but I never suspected it to be this rapid. This must mean that the climate has already flipped to a new state, though scientists are resisting saying this with all their strength, some even say we are not in danger yet.
Given an honest look at where we are today, can you accept that we probably have seen the first climate flip from the past state to a new state? Of course there will be much more to come, but I am near on certain that the positive feedback loops of the arctic are flipped and will never go back.
One interesting set of data last summer came from a lower atmosphere analysis by aircraft over the northern territories of Canada. What was measured was a concentration of methane gas and CO2 that one would expect to find if the flights had been done over a major metro area. The gases up north are evidence that the tundra is melting and releasing methane and CO2, this kind of feedback will be one of a string of positive feedbacks, from which there is no return.
Some scientists are now daring to admit that the methane hydrates of the shallow arctic seas are starting to destabilize, that would be end of story.
sea ice is up like 75%
jesus, read the article
now allow me to use a blow torch to make an ice cold drink
Actually the Arctic Sea Ice is at a record low for this data in the satellite era...
http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm
Basically the lowest annual maxium seen in a long long time...
So take your bullshit elsewhere, you are are in a fact based discusson...
Indeed, fact based, and in a fact based world, the denial arguments fall like leaves in October. The arctic is about to make the denial crowd into just so many fools, and I believe they already know it. The usual flood of denial and science thrashing is way down by ZH standards. 2 years ago, there would have been a hundred denial responses to any fact of climate science. Even they can sense that something wicked is on it's way.
The methane situation is one to be watched...
I can't say who is correct, but the guys whose take I tend to trust, aren't so worried, yet....
And yes, the next El Nino is going to scare a lot of people here at ZH....
BTW, you missed the good ol' days here when the Abiotic oil wingnuts were running amok....
"The methane situation is one to be watched..."
Yep, Jack Burton and Flakmeister are blowing out way too much stinkin methane out of their fat, pompus global warming asses!
Another zinger. That one'll really stump 'em.
Abiotic oil wingnuts
jesus freakin h christ
fossil fuel
the fossil in there is a guess
there is zero proof that oil is a fossil
that was promoted by the oil industry early on to engender an idea of scarcity when the wells were just blowin the stuff out of the ground in great geysers
have you ever read one god damn thing about the shit you spray out of your pie hole flak meister you douche nozzle?
fucking oil is a mineral or some shit(probably. no one knows for sure. no one. not 100%)
Your credibility is shrinking faster than the Arctic Ice...
So were the moon landings a hoax? Do tell...
Jack Burton speaks the truth. And you will not escape it. Your show of intelligence above makes my case for me, this is all you have got? Really all you can come up with? Is that it? Man!
The problem is, Jack, that not you, me, nor anyone else can do absolutely anything meaningful about it.
If only the frog in the heating water had realized that all it had to do was hop out. The frog was too conflicted and afraid of the unknown. Stupid frog.
There be smart hard working frogs sitting on lilly pads in Paris in December 2015 saying "we think you should Jump!" We will see who says "NOT YET!".
C'mon Black Warrior you retired or what?
oh yes, and we're about to get a super strong one, right? and its going to warm everything right back up, since that's what AGW tells us el nino does (do I need to include /s, effectively true as it may be)
or are you instead going to look to what the sun is doing and include that in the weighting? because if you assume el sol is eternally unchanging in its little variations, then naturally what that means is your model lacks explanative rigor, it cannot predict outliers whatsoever, much less with any accuracy.
makes you want to take them outside on a suny day and stand them in the shade
then move them into the sun
then back into the shade
repeat untl they get it
when in sun, warmer
maybe,just maybe, the sun has an effect
i will recheck after dark
We just got tired of preaching common sense and data at Cult members. Once again, people, for the three-hundredth time; the artic ice disappeared completely in 1940-41; but nobody paid attention; we were distracted with out World War. You go look it up now; it'll be good for you. 'You believe there's a "positive feedback loop"; that'll "never go back"; that's called your opinion; which is worth nothing. Zero. Nada. There are no positive feedback loops; what is the mechanism? you're a cult member; most human beings are cult members; millions of people are Catholics; there's nothing you can do about it. Someday you may wake up; but not if you continue to avoid reading the counterevidence.
Here is the recent data
ftp://sidads.colorado.edu/DATASETS/NOAA/G02135/
and going further back
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/SEAICE/timeseries.1870-2008
The nice people here took the liberty of making a graph of it
http://www.skepticalscience.com/print.php?r=429
You demonstrably full of shit...
Ha! Ha! That was too easy. I wonder, who tells them this shit? Arctic sea ice all gone in 1940-41? Insane! Why then did the German BattleShip Bismarck skirt the ice sheets when it broke out into the Atlantic. Why was the Greenland -Iceland gap only 30 miles across and patrolled by only two Royal Navy Crusiers? Because of ICE. What a foolish post that was! Or are the Germans and British sailors blind and missed that all the arctic sea ice was gone.
Recently NASA reported that this year's maximum wintertime extent of Antarctic sea ice was the largest on record, even greater than the previous year's record.
http://phys.org/news/2013-10-antarctic-sea-ice.html
there is some consideration on whether the sea ice is new ice or 100 year ice, new ice can form rapidly and disappear just as rapidly
Do your physics! Why, shall I tell you why? The great antarctic glaciers are melting, dumping fresh water into the sea around antarctica. Do you need a lesson on freezing points of salt versus fresh water? Your evidence is just what global warming will do in the beginning. More fresh water, the water freezes at higher tempertatures, thus more sea ice in winter. The water temps are rising. I dare you to fact check me. And fact check the warming waters effect on air currents, the winds, they used to blow off shore, they now blow onshore, that pushes ice back to the pack, thus more solid area, down there the temperatures are rising faster than anywhere else. Try and rubbish the facts, if you can.
And you do realize that increased Antarctic sea ice extent was predicted 20 years all the while the land based ice cap is shrinking in volume....
there are times when a blind cat may stumble upon a newly dead rat for a meal. now would that be through the expertise of the blind cat, or simple dumb luck?
do you think that prediction was made with the knowledge that the sun's hemispheres dont flip simultaneously?
Your Dunning-Kruger is showing...
ok ok...I'm getting it through my thick skull that I have to explicitly explain every last little concept I present to you, since whatever concept I present, you dont seem to be able to grasp. silly me for thinking someone who constantly touts his PhD would be able to put a couple concepts together and come to a reasonable conclusion.
but then again, given that you believe in AGW, its fairly obvious you have a faulty logic circuit in there somewhere, so that's why everything will need to be put in a big picture book with 24pt font.
so to clue you in on what I was saying, once again, correlation is not causation and if you just so happen to make a correct prediction, but your methodology and fundamentals are not sound, your correctness is mostly accidental.
When your "concepts" have no basis in reality, you can be damn sure you will be asked to explain them...
Events are now easily 50-75 years ahead of what was modelled just a few years ago.
What planet do you live on?
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-MmffESvY2rI/UfR6_zzP4kI/AAAAAAAAANM/8ZReJ1wq1-...
clever boy. Is that all you have, because that is nothing. Do you even know what you posted, can you explain it to us? I mean really explain what you posted. I'll be checking later to see what you have got to add. Can you comment, or do you just copy and paste. The model is impressive, if only you could expand on it's meaning. Please.
Wake up from your dream; t here is no model. There never was. It's not possible to have a model; although that will probably remain over your head.
if itn was real science, we wouldnt have opinions about it
there would be fact and only fact
like the theory of relativity
how much are we tearing that apart?
not at all, even without a scientific consensus, because, you see, it has been proven fact
I always love flak's comments. But i dont trust them unless they are peer reviewed. Dude, you seem pretty smart but i dont think you're a scientist somehow. Too much faith and not enough analysis. Your grandkids will be laughing at you.
The bitch was just slapped...
yeah its just too bad that "peer review" in climate scientist became "pal review" as hopelessly indoctrinated fools became so smugly confident of their fantasy models that they crowded review boards and made active attempts to keep dissenting opinion down.
its annoying having such people referred to in a context of...."scientific"
if you really look into it, 70% of the warming scientists are not actually scientists at all
and more still are in different fields
would you trust the opinion of a geologist in nuclear reactor design?
But you seem to trust a college dropout like Anthony Watts...
PS Quit making shit up...
I wish Texas would get back to frying. It's been fucking cold here. Starting to wonder if I moved far enough south.
A pox on the global warming crowd.
Try Australia. In the first few days of January, THIS YEAR, the had ALL time record highs of 120 degrees... So much for the Ice Age.
I believe in some places temps well over 120 were recorded, Temperatures never seen before. Just as one would expect in a warming world.
You really are an idiot.
Being called an idiot by you is a badge of honor of the highest order. I welcome you to call me a fucking idiot, you honor me by the intelligence you bring to your arguments. This type of rational debate is stimulating.
Ever hear of the sun you dumbass? It is only the biggest f**king game in the solar system. It is the biggest variable in the temp of earth but the GW frauds never factor it into anything. Idiot.
So why has the output of the sun and global temperatures decoupled for the past 40 years???
You have no idea what you're talking about. You don't know what the "output" of the Sun was; and you don't know anything about global warming. Anything that happened for forty years is called "static".
Oh my, you aren't really claiming that are you?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_variation
The sun has been meausured all kinds of ways...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Solar-cycle-data.png
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sunspot_Numbers.png
or here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Carbon14_with_activity_labels.svg
In your case, Stupid is as stupid does...
its called a complex chaotic system, and ur models cant predict it worth a shit (the sun OR the earth)
Bingo! Flak. BINGO. That is THE question, we should be cooling right now if the sun cycle is driving the temperature, but we are not cooling. The denialists have never answered that one, because they can not answer it.
Pfffff....next you will write some stupid comment about how CERN scientists discovered how cosmic rays affect cloud development, which has the greatest impact on weather, and were prevented from publishing their opinions and the supporting data for their work could not be published in their article but could be downloaded from a separate link if the reader put out the effort.
greatest? lol. you want greatest, go look up at that big bright shiny thing in the sky over your head.
regardless, the sun's waning magnetic field does allow for more cosmic rays, the byproducts of which have some effect on cloud formation.
but what everyone forgets is how electromagnetism affects this stuff. why did the jet stream only start going crazy and wobbling with an enhanced polar vortex AFTER the sun gave us a year or two of super depressed not enough field strength for sunspots behavior?
haha...you think THAT is in the climate models???
of course not, how in heavens could little tides on the sun POSSIBLY affect such things *facepalm*
its not like electromagnetism is the strongest force we deal with in the macro world or anything, right?
See my earlier post about Conspiracy Ideation...
Care to provide that link? Or do you need the secret handshake?
http://www.atmos-chem-phys.net/10/1635/2010/acp-10-1635-2010.pdf
Jasper thought he knew the answer before he did the experiment, boy was he disappointed...
http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/
Most of us here can read a graph, right? Read this one. There has never been less Arctic ice at this time of year.
Indeed. Arctic heat wave this winter broke all records. The feed back loops are now in full gear, the ice will be gone in a few years in summer. The Northwest Passage is being used by tankers already and a bulk cargo ship used it for the first time ever this summer.
A wooden ship sailed through the Northwest Passage in 1940; and back again. The ice was "missing". it came back. there are no positive feedback loops. It's distressing that you're this ignorant of the actual facts of the situation and yet you imagine that you "know something".
Thats exactly right...
but there are better graphs to demonstrate...
http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm
Why don't you and Jack go get a room
1921 and 1940; no observable ice at all. Nothing. And what difference did it make. None. it just came back again; "when it felt like it". It's none of your business, get over it.
200 year drought? Quick, we need to spend another $1 trillion/year on defense!.....Makes perfect sense, right?.....
All of CALI's water is now OWNED by RESNICK an Israeli,
A crisis sure, and if CALI wants that water they ask OBAMA to wire a trillion of FED money to Resnick, who then passes it on to Israel.
Defense?
Water will soon be MORE valuable than OIL.
no almonds,,, that's just nuts I say,,, nuts
BTW...they're "Aamonds"(A sound as in apple)) while they are still on the tree. Become Almonds when they get processed.
A little localese for ya!
Come on, I don't believe that at all --- only a (clueless) New Yorker would say "aamond", right?
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-02-14/desalination-seen-booming-at-15...
Interesting. This was just posted on bloomberg last Friday. It would seem that even with a short-term, viable solution, other than moving away, it will be challenged in court by the same inhabitants most affected by it.
Once upon a time the Central Valley was a desert.
Then they stole ALL the water east of the Sierras making that a desert. Now all that water is gone.
Then they damned all of the Sierra's destroying all the fish.
Then they depleted the water table down to 300 feet, where only salt water can be found.
Now there is no water, but yet it was desert before they stole the water from below and to the east. The water made central CALI the richest AG in the world, but now WATER costs too much,
The advantage of CALI was CHEAP PRODUCE, now water is going to be very expensive.
One dual citizenship NAZI name RESNICK in CALIF is the water master, a billionaire and owns ALL the fucking water, he bought it back in the 1980's, he plan was always to send water to $20/gallon, and he owns it all, ... look's like to plan is coming true, and his net worth will go from billions to trillions.
So now AIPAC will have TRILLIONAIRES to back AiPAC candidates worldwide, what do the Russians and Chinese have say about this?
***
Forbes
Stewart and Lynda Resnick on Forbes - #134 Forbes 400, #670 Billionaires. ... Since the 1970s, they've built or bought companies, including Fiji Water and ...
Lynda Resnick - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynda_Resnick
Wikipedia
Resnick is married to Stewart A. Resnick, who is also her business partner. .... According to Resnick's book, sales of Fiji Water soon increased by 300% by 2008 ...
Oligarch Valley: How Beverly Hills billionaire farmers Lynda and ... mondoweiss.net/.../oligarch-valley-how-beverly-hills-billion...
Mondoweiss
Jul 10, 2013 - I stumbled onto Stewart and Lynda Resnick almost as soon as I started investigating California's billionaire-dominated public water system.
The Huffington Post
1 imported bottled water. Resnick continues to create and build successful brands for all their crops and companies, including the groundbreaking “Get Crackin” ...
The eXile
Nov 19, 2009 - The leader of these recent water privatization efforts in California is a Beverly Hills billionaire named Stewart Resnick. Stewart and his wife, ...
Roll Global was founded by entrepreneurs Stewart and Lynda Resnick. ... FIJI outsells Evian to become the leading premium bottled water in the U.S.. 2009.
The Department of Water Resources lists the watermasters for the basins where a watermaster has been so named.
Get to work mr. chairman!
They can't even predict the weather 30 minutes from now. Let alone 200 years out. Fucking overpaid.
Cali billionaire public water system.
Oligarch Valley: How Beverly Hills billionaire farmers Lynda and ... mondoweiss.net/.../oligarch-valley-how-beverly-hills-billion...
Mondoweiss
I stumbled onto Stewart and Lynda Resnick almost as soon as I started investigating California's billionaire-dominated public water system.
Mr Resnick is an Israeli, who holds dual citizenship, and every year since the 1970's he gives +$50M USD to both CALI DEM&PUG party's, every year MR resnick owns all. Every politician in CALIF is Mr. Resnicks BITCH left, right, top, bottom, and Democrat, or Republican, or Independent.
In the 1980's Resnick lobbied to be WATER-MASTER of all public water, in the 1990's Resnick lobbied to SELL the water, that is to PRIVATIZE all water, ... today Mr Resnick owns ALL the water in CALIFORNIA.
Mr Resnick owned the terminator scharznegger, and Mr Resnick owns the current Jerry BROWN man. Brown is to CALI what 'CLINTON' is to USA. A dynasty, albeit an AIPAC front.
Here in SE Australia, we've had one of the hottest, driest summers on record. No records broken but still stinking hot & bone dry, until a couple of days ago. Still well below average rainfall for summer though.
According to the Bureau of Meteorology, there is no El Nino. Thus El Nino means nothing, it can still be stinking hot & bone dry regardless. PDO is probably a fairy tale too.
The green idiots think 'consensus' means something. It doesn't. It only means that a bunch of those who wish to further their careers don't want to get out of step with the mainstream. The truth belongs to those who can forcefully prove it. Science is a blood sport. When the data are accumulated enough to really prove a point the winners and losers are obvious.
To ignore other causes for any weather phenomenon is a bad move. What if CO2 is driven by solar events and we are at the mercy of solar cycles. In that case we should be making different plans. The left sees climate change (or whatever they are calling it these days) as another way to raise taxes. In the end they will be history's joke. The fact that they attack any other voices in these matters says it all. They are not scientists they are enthusiasts....and amateurs at that.
thank you
well stated
did einstein need a consensus?
no, he proved his theorys unequivocally
"The green idiots think 'consensus' means something. It doesn't. It only means that a bunch of those who wish to further their careers don't want..."
If politics, the government, and YOUR wallet are involved then it is not about the facts, logic, or science. It is about obfuscating the facts, logic, and science, as the means to get into your wallet and ursurp unearned power.
Exactly.
Actually, there is a REAL debate going on among scientists as to how climate change occurs.
Is it caused by humans or some kind of natural variation?
But you DON'T hear about this debate in the MSM, it has been conveniently suppressed.
Here's a 12 minute synopsis: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f1a_1390937706
Watch and learn.
And what if you were too stupid or ignorant to understand what is going on based on solid understanding of physics...
Since we know that is clearly the case, why don't you take your ill formed opinion on matters clearly beyond your grasp to intelligently comment about and shove them up your ass...
Nobody cares what you think...
Like anybody cares to hear what an arrogant, pompous, global warming nazi like Flakmeister has to say?
You're a cult member; now could you please take your "output" somewhere else? And stop accusing people of not understanding physics, you have no idea who you're talking to.
I had to chuckle at thr irony of that opening statement
well, and the second one too.
and definitely the third.
"And what if you were too stupid or ignorant to understand what is going on based on solid understanding of physics."
Reminds me of this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLNhIbroC4s
Hans Christian Anderson
Blah, blah, blah, just let me point this out to you just so you know why these bed wetters, well, are wetting the bed at the first stiff breeze. It's no fucking wonder we have screaming eco tard global footprint taxers wandering the streets yelling "the end is nigh, repent and be saved by moar taxes.
Avalanche (1978) Avalanche Alley (2001)
- Avalanche Express (1979)
- Vertical Limit (2000)
- Nature Unleashed: Avalanche (2004)
Electrical disturbances and lightning[edit] This section requires expansion. (May 2012)- NYC: Tornado Terror (2008 TV)
- Stonehenge Apocalypse (2010 TV)
- 2012: Supernova (2009 TV)
- Lightning: Bolts of Destruction (2003 TV)
Earthquakes[edit]- Deluge (1933)
- Earthquake (1974)
- The Great Los Angeles Earthquake (1990)
- Aftershock: Earthquake in New York (1999)
- 10.5 (2004)
- 10.5: Apocalypse (2006)
- Megafault (2009)
Volcanoes[edit] This section requires expansion. (May 2012)- Krakatoa, East of Java (1969)
- The Devil at 4 O'Clock (1961)
- The Island at the Top of the World (1974)
- When Time Ran Out (1980)
- St. Helens (1981)
- Volcano (1997)
- Dante's Peak (1997)
- Volcano: Fire on the Mountain (1997 TV)
- Scorcher (2002)
- Dragon Head (2003)
- End Day (2005 docudrama)
- Supervolcano (2005 docudrama)
- Disaster Zone: Volcano in New York (2006 TV)
- Krakatoa: The Last Days (2006 docudrama)
- Magma: Volcanic Disaster (2006)
- 2012 (2009)
- Vulcano (2009)
- Stonehenge Apocalypse (2010 TV)
- Super Eruption (2011 TV)
- Nature Unleashed: Volcano (2005)
- Miami Magma (2011)
- Pompeii (2014)
- Pompeii Apocalypse (2014)
- Airplane VS Volcano (2014)
Hydrological[edit] Floods[edit] This section requires expansion. (May 2012)- The Flood: Who Will Save Our Children? (1993)
- Nihon Chinbotsu (Japan Sinks)
- Flood (2007)
- Hard Rain
- The Impossible (2012)
Tsunami[edit] This section requires expansion. (May 2012)- Category 7: The End of the World (2005 TV miniseries)
- 10.5: Apocalypse (2006 TV miniseries)
- Magma: Volcanic Disaster (2006)
- Poseidon (2006)
- Flood (2007 TV)
- Dasavathaaram (2008)
- 2012 (2009)
- Tsanami 2022 (2009)
- Tidal Wave (2009)
- Hereafter (2010)
- Titanic II (2010 TV)
- The Impossible (2012)
Climate[edit] This section requires expansion. (May 2012)- 2012 (2009)
- 2012: Ice Age (2011)
- 500 MPH Storm (2013)
- Absolute Zero (2006)
- Arctic Blast (2010)
- Atomic Twister (2002 TV)
- Category 6: Day of Destruction (2004 TV miniseries)
- Category 7: The End of the World (2005 TV miniseries)
- Doomsday Prophecy (2011 TV)
- Flood (2007 TV)
- End Day (2005 TV docudrama)
- Hurricane (1979)
- Ice (1998 TV)
- Ice Twisters (2009 TV)
- Lost City Raiders (2008 TV)
- Meltdown: Days of Destruction (2006)
- NYC: Tornado Terror (2008 TV)
- Nature Unleashed: Tornado (2005)
- Night of the Twisters (1996 TV)
- Nuclear Hurricane (2007)
- The Day After Tomorrow (2004)
- The Perfect Storm (2000)
- Tornado! (1996)
- Twister (1996)
Tornadoes[edit]- Twister (1996)
- Night of the twisters (1996)
- Tornado!(1996)
- Atomic Twister (2002)
- NYC: Tornado Terror(2008)
- Super Cyclone (2012)
- Sharknado (2013 TV)
Epidemics[edit] This section requires expansion. (May 2012)- Absolon (2001)
- The Andromeda Strain (1971)
- The Andromeda Strain (2008 TV miniseries)
- Blindness (2008)
- Carriers (2009)
- The Cassandra Crossing (1976)
- Children of Men (2006)
- Contagion (2011)
- Covert One: The Hades Factor (2006)
- Darwin's Nightmare (2004)
- Daybreakers (2010)
- Doomsday (2008)
- Ebola Syndrome (1996)
- Epidemic (1987)
- Fatal Contact: Bird Flu in America (2006)
- Flying Virus (2001)
- The Happening (2008)
- I Am Legend (2007)
- I Am Omega (2007)
- The Invasion (2007)
- The Last Man on Earth (1964)
- Medical Investigation (2004 - 2005)
- Outbreak (1995)
- Doomsday Virus (1996)
- Perfect Sense (2011)
- Phase 7 (2011)
- Plague (1978)
- Quarantine (2008)
- Quarantine 2: Terminal (2011)
- Quiet Killer (1992)
- Smallpox 2002 (2002)
- SST: Death Flight (1977)
- Undead (2003)
- Virus (1980)
- The Walking Dead (2010 TV)
- Warning Sign (1985)
- World War Z (2013)
Space[edit] This section requires expansion. (May 2012)- Impact (2009)
- Anna's Storm (2007)
- Armageddon (1998)
- Asteroid (1997)
- Apollo 13 (1995)
- Battle: Los Angeles (2011)
- Deep Impact (1998)
- Doomsday Prophecy (2011 TV)
- End Day (docudrama) (2005)
- End of the World (1977)
- Epoch (2001)
- Gravity (2013)
- Independence Day (1996)
- Judgment Day (1999)
- Knowing (2009)
- Lifeforce (1985)
- Lifepod (1993)
- Meteor (1979)
- Melancholia (2011)
- Night of the Comet (1984)
- Pandorum (2009)
- Seeking a Friend for the End of the World (2012)
- Solar Attack (2005) AKA Solar Strike
- Solar Crisis (1990)
- Sunshine (2007)
- 2012: Supernova (2009 TV)
- Tycus (1998)
- When Worlds Collide (1951)
- Where Have All The People Gone? (1974)
- Without Warning (1994)
- Inferno (1998 TV)
Aliens, Monsters, and Dinosaurs[edit] This section requires expansion. (May 2012)- Abraxas, Guardian of the Universe (1990)
- Alien Abduction (2005)
- Alien Hunter (2003)
- Alien Intruder (1993)
- Aliens in the Attic (2009)
- Allegro Non Troppo (1977)
- The Andromeda Strain (1971)
- The Arrival (1996)
- AVH: Alien vs. Hunter (2007)
- Battle: Los Angeles (2011)
- Battleship (2012)
- Bedtime Stories (2008)
- Beware! The Blob (1972)
- Breeders (1986)
- Cloverfield (2008)
- Communion (1989)
- Creature (1985)
- The Creature Wasn't Nice (1983)
- Creepozoids (1987)
- Damnation Alley (1977)
- Dark City (1999)
- Decoys (2004)
- Doom (2005)
- Enemy Mine (1985)
- Epoch (2001)
- Explorers (1985)
- The Faculty (1998)
- Gamera: Super Monster (1980)
- Gamera 2: Attack of Legion (1998)
- Gamera 3: Revenge of Iris (1999)
- Godzilla (1998)
- Godzilla 2000 (1999)
- Godzilla: Final Wars (2004)
- Godzilla vs. Gigan (1972)
- Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla (1974)
- Godzilla vs. SpaceGodzilla (1994)
- Good Boy! (2003)
- The Great Heep (1986)
- Hangar 18 (1980)
- Heavy Metal (1981)
- Heavy Metal 2000 (2000)
- Impostor (2002)
- I am Number Four (2011)
- I Come in Peace (1990)
- Independence Day (1996)
- Invaders from Mars (1986)
- Invasion of the Pod People (2007)
- Killer Mountain (2011 TV)
- Knowing (2009)
- Koi... Mil Gaya (2003)
- Krull (1983)
- The Last Starfighter (1984)
- Lifted (2007)
- Liquid Sky (1982)
- The Man Who Wasn't There (2001)
- Megamind (2010)
- Metamorphosis: The Alien Factor (1990)
- Monsters
- Night Skies (2007)
- Night of the Creeps (1986)
- Outlander (2008)
- Pitch Black (2000)
- Planet 51 (2009)
- Predators (2010)
- Progeny (1999)
- The Puppet Masters (1994)
- Rebirth of Mothra (1996)
- Rebirth of Mothra II (1997)
- Rebirth of Mothra III (1998)
- Repo Man (1984)
- Resident Evil (2002)
- Returner (2002)
- Signs (2002)
- Skyline (2010)
- Slither (2006)
- Solaris (1972)
- Solaris (2002)
- Spaced Invaders (1990)
- Species (1995)
- Species II (1998)
- Species III (2004)
- Species – The Awakening (2007)
- Starchaser: The Legend of Orin (1985)
- Strange Invaders (1983)
- Suburban Commando (1991)
- Super 8 (2011)
- Terrorvision (1987)
- Terror of Mechagodzilla (1975)
- The Day the Earth Stood Still (1951 original and 2008 remake)
- The Day the Earth Stopped (2008)
- The Forgotten (2004)
- The Fourth Kind (2009)
- The Invasion (2007)
- The Monster X Strikes Back/Attack the G8 Summit (2008)
- The Shadow Men (1998)
- They Live (1988)
- Things Are Tough All Over (1982)
- Track of the Moon Beast (1976)
- Transmorphers (2007)
- Transmorphers: Fall of Man (2009)
- Under the Mountain (2009)
- Underdog (2007)
- U.F.O. (1993)
- Virus (1999)
- The Visitor (1979)
- War of the Worlds (1953 original and 2009 remake)
- Within the Rock (1996)
- Xtro (1982)
- Invasion (2005)
- Altered (2006)
Man-made disasters[edit]- The Island (2005)
- I, Robot (2004)
- Backdraft (1991)
- The Towering Inferno (1974)
Hazardous materials[edit]- Daylight (1996)
- End Day (docudrama) (2005)
- Fire Down Below (1997)
- Shattered City: The Halifax Explosion (2003)
Chemicals[edit]- Chain Reaction (1996)
- The Children (1980)
- Danger Zone (1997)
- Fire Down Below (1997)
- It's a Disaster (2012)
- The Happening (2008)
- Once Upon a Forest (1993)
- Right at Your Door (2006)
Nuclear energy[edit]- The China Syndrome (1979)
- True Lies (1994)
- Knowing (2009)
- Atomic Train (1999)
- Atomic Twister (2002 TV)
- By Dawn's Early Light (1990)
- The Chain Reaction (1980)
- Class of Nuke 'Em High (1986)
- Countdown to Looking Glass (1984)
- The Day After (1983)
- Doomsday Machine (1972)
- The Final Combat (1983)
- The Manhattan Project (1986)
- Miracle Mile (1988)
- Next (2007)
- On the Beach (2000)
- Panic in Year Zero! (1962)
- The Peacemaker (1997)
- Special Bulletin (1983)
- The Sum of All Fears (2002)
- Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines (2003)
- Testament (1983)
- Threads (1984 TV)
- The War Game (1965 TV)
- When the Wind Blows (1986)
Transportation[edit] Airplanes[edit]- 7500 (2013)
- A Wing and a Prayer (1998 TV)
- Air Collision (2012 video)
- Air Marshal (2003)
- Air Rage (2001 video)
- Airborne (2012)
- Airline Disaster (2010 video)
- Airport (1970)
- Airport 1975 (1974)
- Airport '77 (1977)
- Airspeed (1999)
- Blackout Effect (1998 TV)
- Cabin Pressure (2002 TV)
- Code 11-14 (2003 TV)
- Con Air (1997)
- Concorde Affaire '79 (1979)
- Crash (1978 TV)
- Crash Landing (1958)
- Crash Landing (1999)
- Crash Landing (2005)
- Crash Landing: The Rescue of Flight 232 (1992 TV)
- Crash Point: Berlin (2009 TV)
- Crash: The Mystery of Flight 1501 (1990 TV)
- Doomed Flight (1998)
- Ekipazh (1980)
- Executive Decision (1996)
- Falling from the Sky: Flight 174 (1995 TV)
- Fate Is the Hunter (1964)
- Fearless (1993)
- Final Approach (2007 TV)
- Final Descent (1997 TV)
- Final Destination (2000)
- Fire and Rain (1989 TV)
- Flight (2012)
- Flight 90: Disaster on the Potomac (1984 TV)
- Flight 93 (2006 TV)
- Flight into Danger (1956 TV)
- Flight to Holocaust (1977 TV)
- Free Fall (1999)
- Ground Control (1998)
- Hijack (2008)
- Hijacked (2012)
- Hijacked: Flight 285 (1996 TV)
- Hostage Flight (1985 TV)
- Jet Over the Atlantic (1959)
- Killing Moon (2000 TV)
- Last Flight to Abuja (2012)
- Lost Flight (1969 TV)
- Mach 2 (2001)
- Mayday (2005 TV)
- Mayday at 40,000 Feet! (1976 TV)
- Medusa's Child (1997 TV)
- Mercy Mission: The Rescue of Flight 771 (1993 TV)
- Miracle Landing (1990 TV)
- Murder on Flight 502 (1975 TV)
- No Highway in the Sky (1951)
- Non-Stop (2013)
- Nowhere to Land (2000 TV)
- NTSB: The Crash of Flight 323 (2004 TV)
- Pandora's Clock (1996 TV)
- Panic (2002)
- Panic in the Skies! (1996 TV)
- Passenger 57 (1992)
- Rough Air: Danger on Flight 534 (2001 TV)
- Skyjacked (1972)
- Snakes on a plane (2006)
- Sonic Impact (2000)
- SST: Death Flight (1977 TV)
- Starflight: The Plane That Couldn't Land (1983 TV)
- Submerged (2000)
- Terror in the Sky (1971 TV)
- The Concorde...Airport '79 (1979)
- The Crowded Sky (1960)
- The Doomsday Flight (1966 TV)
- The Ghost of Flight 401 (1978 TV)
- The Grey (2012)
- The High and the Mighty (1954)
- The Taking of Flight 847: The Uli Derickson Story (1988 TV)
- This Is a Hijack (1973)
- Trouble in the Sky (1960)
- Turbulence (1997)
- Turbulence 2: Fear of Flying (1999)
- Turbulence 3: Heavy Metal (2001 video)
- Turbulent Skies (2010 TV)
- United 93 (2006)
- Zero Hour! (1957)
Cars, trucks and buses[edit]- The Big Bus (1976)
- Daylight (1996)
- Eagle Eye (2008)
- Knowing (2009)
- Maximum Overdrive (1986)
- The Night the Bridge Fell Down (1983)
- Smash-Up on Interstate 5 (1976 TV)
- Speed (1994)
- Super 8 (2011)
- Trucks (1997)
- Damnation Alley (1977)
Ships and submarines[edit]- Speed 2: Cruise Control (1997)
- Captain Phillips (2013)
- Britannic (2000)
- Déjà Vu (2006)
- Gray Lady Down (1978)
- Hostile Waters (1997)
- In Search of the Castaways (1962)
- Juggernaut (1970)
- K-19: The Widowmaker (2002)
- The Last Voyage (1960)
- Noah (2014)
- Poseidon (2006)
- The Poseidon Adventure (1972)
- Beyond the Poseidon Adventure (1979)
- The Poseidon Adventure (2005)
- Titanic (1943, Germany) Four scenes were used in A Night to Remember (1958)
- Titanic (1953)
- A Night to Remember (1958)
- S.O.S. Titanic (1979 TV)
- Titanic (1996 TV miniseries)
- Titanic (1997)
- The Legend of the Titanic (1999)
- Titanic II (2010)
- Ghosts of the Abyss (2003)
Spaceships[edit]- Pandorum (2009)
- The Core (2003)
- Armageddon (1998)
- Lost in Space (1998)
- Apollo 13 (1995)
- Marooned (1969)
Theme parks[edit] This section requires expansion. (May 2012)- Rollercoaster (1977)
- Final Destination 3 (2006)
Trains[edit]- Atomic Train (1999)
- Breakheart Pass (1985)
- The Cassandra Crossing (1976)
- The Day of the Roses (1996)
- The Peacemaker (1997)
- Runaway! (1973 TV) AKA The Runaway Train and Frozen Passage
- Runaway Train (1985)
- Silver Streak (1976)
- Unstoppable (2010)
- Final Run (1999)
- Super 8 (2011)
- Metro (2012)
Animals and plants[edit] Main article: List of natural horror films Further information: List of giant monster films Animals[edit]- Jaws (1975)
- Anaconda (1997)
- Congo (1995)
- Lake Placid (1999)
- Piranha (2010)
- Grizzly (1976)
Plants[edit]Posting line count limits in 3, 2, 1...
Booboo, congratulations on your automatic -1000 from me, one red arrow for each line in your ridiculously long and highly inconsiderate post.
scroll is your friend, no one forced you to read it buzzy, it was meant to be overwhelming to make a point. Now go wet your bed.
You missed Event Horizon...
But you didn't; which tells us everything we need to know about you. I don't watch movies; ever. that's right; doo-doo brain, that's never. I am a scientist and you make me tired.
So we have a "Scientific" bedwetter, ooh. Sweet dreams egg head.
I gotta a shitload of doomer porn movies to watch! Way too long of a post, bro.
Any recommendations? :>
yes
night of a thousand cats
staring hugo stiglich and his helicopter
most ridiculous movie ever made
Drought in California? Let's wall that fuker off before they start leaving.
Then what?
Send in Snake Pliskin?
I thought he was dead.
Last I saw, he has an eye left and an attentive brain. Can't wait to see him Escape from Washington DC!
No shit.....2 more of them showed up at our church in DFW this weekend. : )
You could spot them right away..they were the only non obese people in the hall....right, Tex?
at least we won't have to worry about eating Fukashima radiation Veggies
It is caused by chemtrails. Now in other news, "World War II Bomber Found Crash Landed On The Moon" LOL
Simple solution for the urban centers. They need to install large reverse osmosis water plants and make water for the cities from the ocean. This is how Grand Cayman in the Cayman Islands operates, 100% reverse osmosis. It's damned expensive but the water quality is excellent and people really conserve. I lived for 2 years in the Caymans on this system.
Yes, but they gotta build green energy high speed fag trains that shit unicorn cum and glitter. Ain't nobody got time for dat!
MEGA-DROUGHT followed by MEGA-QUAKE, an appropriate end for COMMIEfornia
California will have plenty of water, right after the 'Big One' hits along the San Andreas and drops half the state into the Pacific.
That oughtta solve the fukushima problem
But, but, but.... how can the PDO be in a 'cool phase' at the same time Obama is declaring war on 'global warming'?
Because cooling is a part of global warming stupid.
Any more smart ass comments and Ima gonna drone you bro.
"Because cooling is a part of global warming stupid."
Of course there is a tax for that!
All of America has a water crisis and its been coming for years, water table everywhere has dropped to critical levels.
Once water table drops below 300 feet, in most places the water is non-potable, high salt content.
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This crisis is manufactured for many reasons. Follow the money.
90% of the problem is water mismanagement, ... 10% weather.
Like CALIFORNIA, had they quit the green lawns, golf-courses and swimming pools there would be plenty of water. Again all a management problem, and pricing problem.
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All of Central Calif, and Southern California was once a DESERT, devoid of water and dry to the bone, ... and certainly with NO water left to steal, CALI will return to DESERT.
Re-Pricing of water will of course make the man who owns CALI's water rich, which is probably why he has refused rationing all along.
Hello $500/month water PER household.
Nevah...gunna....happen...
You can fuck people over with many commodities in many ways, but Water?
Fuggedaboutit.
20 years ago they said that water would cost more than oil, already some of Resnicks designer brands of water, cost more per liter than fuel,
No fucking problem $500/month for water, for the house, you live in a fucking desert, water is not cheap or free.
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Lastly, no fucking water problem where I live, we got tons of it.
CALI was always a desert.
The Colorado River is destroyed, and so is Imperial Valley, and Mexico Alluvial basin has been destroyed. Owens Valley destroyed.
Sure as hell CALI has no choice but to do ISRAEL style de-salination of SEA water, that's ok, Resnick owns that too.
It will not come cheap, maybe my $500/month will be on the cheap side, just for drinking and cooking, should you bathe or flush the toilet it will only be for the rich.
Since I live here, I'll clue you in. In Orange county almost all public land that is irrigated uses gray or secondary water. We have been pumping fresh overflow into deep wells for decades as recharge, and we get most of our water from the Colorado basin. There are spot areas that will need engineering and ag will need to update tech, but one huge series of storms with all of the catch basins will take us out of drought in a seson. I have seen it twice in twenty years. Bone dry lakes to overflowing in weeks.
A thousand years ago this all just flowed out to sea.
I clue you in, the water you drink from the sink in LA or Orange County? It comes from toilet water.
I remember as kid they took us to the 'beach' where they would inject the shit water into the beach-head to keep the salt-water from coming inland. This was the 1950's, by the 1960's all water in SO-CAL came from toilet water.
Now here it is 2014 and your telling us that 'grey water' is used for lawns and pools, allow me to tell you that for the past 60 years black water is for drinking in the entire LA basin, including orange-county.
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I can remember in the 1960's Owens Valley was a water paradise, today its a desert all water stolen by LA.
My point was that the problem with WATER is not a crisis now, its a crisis that has evolved since the 1940's.
But one man in CALIF will go from BILLIONAIRE to TRILLIONAIRE, because he engineered the crisis.
I suggest you google "stewart resnick', water, ... suterra, water-rights, water-master, and learn something about CALI.
Gray water is used to some extent in Orange County, but you forgot to mention that the Los Angeles Aqueduct brings water from the Owens Valley south to Los Angeles and Orange County. The Colorado River Aqueduct also brings water from the Colorado River to Southern California for urban uses and the Central Valley Aqueduct brings in water from Northern California for urban uses in Southern California. Orange County is DRY!
California was a desert....and it's still a desert. Good luck with that.
"But it's more nuanced than saying the PDO did this." After all, as its name suggests, the PDO is decades in the making.
Of course we all know it's global warming ... or cooling ... or climate change .... everything is so nuanced it takes a climatologist to understand
Weather change x spurts all have a degree in panicology.
Scientists have an easier time raising funds, to research "popular causes"
Climate change is the youngest, and sexiest denomination of the church of mother earth.
Oh my! A university "climatologist" is predicting imminent disaster. Somebody give him a grant, quickly!
Someone better grab you a clue...
Quickly...
And the clueless global warming nazi Flakmeister says raise MOAR taxes...
Quickly!
Go ahead make my day and show me where I said that...
its all over the place - by supporting the carbon scam, you support TPTB and tax hungry governments everywhere.
that said I do believe your heart is in the right place...its just that your head is hitting it from beneath...
Once again, you guys can't back up anything you claim...
Yawn....
How droughty could it really be, we have 2,000 year old redwoods and sequoias that made it through.
Still it's obvious to anyone with half a brain that the state's future is going to involve a lot of desalination plants, greenhouse farming, and maybe some mega-engineering to bring in water from the northwest or even across the continental divide.
But that's just California, also have to worry about Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas.
Everyone saw this coming, but I think most people guesstimated it was another 20-50 years off.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1x8BVyodH0Y
~Geoengineering And The Collapse Of Earth 2014{apologies for the repost} Unfortunately, Radical Marijuana, this website doesn't seem to have a function that notifies one that someone has replied to one's comment so you may not get back to this. In my limited blogging experience, one blog had a pop-up function whenever I logged in to say someone had replied and a click took me directly to the reply made in the thread. It was not something I had to set up. If I weren't so busy trying to keep up with all the articles and comments I would do my research! lol
The "25 years" was in reference to the documentary by James Burke called After The Warming which I happened across channel surfing during the "CNN War" almost 25 years ago. I was familiar with JB having watched his 'The Day The Universe Changed' programs many times so it caught my attention. I found the history compelling and was somewhat shocked to realize that it had been produced before the CNN war.
I taped it on VHS and shared it with friends. One person turned on me and hit me with the Libertarian "don't tread on me" stick. I wasn't at all politically minded in those days so I was unprepared to respond. Interestingly, I was questioned as to who was paying for such an elaborate production. That question never crossed my mind. Anyway, 15 years later I had a good laugh when An Inconvenient Truth came out because the message was basically the same as JB had delivered. Again, in my limited blogging experience, not once, among the endless AL Gore/David Suzuki derisions have I ever seen someone discuss After The Warming. But now a common belief is that AGW is a scam to install a tax and make Al and Dr Dave rich. Hmmmm.
Yet that question I was asked 25 years ago remains with me while other questions like 9/11, The Fed, {aliens} etc have piled on. The internet seems to have become a place where, like statistics, any theory can be found on any subject and it's become a popularity contest. In some links I provided previously, one thing I found to be quite fundamental was the concept of the greater meaning of free speech:
Officially implemented, as a federal law recognized by all states, citizens would only have to gather a group with a common understanding based in facts, of information reasonably shown as vital, also showing how the presentation/perspective of such is currently lacking from the public information, satisfying the requsites public must have to invoe the law in the creation of an understanding of the vital information from which can come; forgiveness, tolerance, acceptance, respect, trust, friendship and love, protecting life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Citizens with issues developed in this way, and a relatively small petition qualifying, would have a right to see compulsive state and federal control over network broadcasting licensure in order to compel adequate production funding and national broadcasting to effect the education of the public on given subjects.
As this pertains to the issue of AGW we have to ask ourselves if after 25 years of scientific research from around the world, is this important information alerting humanity to a clear and present danger or is it a bankster scam?
As I was alluding to in the above comment {edit: in the recent 9/11 thread}, I am open to thinking they're good, but not this good. A "dustifying" WMD? Maybe. HAARP? maybe. Chemtrails? stretching it but sure ok maybe. 25 years of science during massive fossil fuel exploitation all a hoax to install a tax and limit peoples freedom??? ya, maybe.
But what if that turns out not to be the case? And while we bicker about it we passed the tipping point? 25 years ago what I saw was humanity working together to protect life and liberty. We have powerful tools and viable solutions and as we grow in size we bring more brains to the table, not just mouths to feed. But alas, I would guess Paris will be essentially a repeat of Copenhagen and the Anthropocene Age will go to it's watery grave. As you say the required miracles are unfathomable, but 22 months is forever dwelling in a moment, and there is one thing that has potential to change the game before Paris: Arctic Ice disappearance. If something of that nature were to occur there would still be people on the blogs claiming it's "natural" and any action would be an infringement of their liberty, but at least we would all have one piece of information that rises above theory. The Arctic ice dissappeared? WTF!
I suggest people read Gwynne Dyer's 'Climate Wars', Peter Ward's "Under A Green Sky', Alanna Mitchell's book: Sea Sick, James Powell's 2084: An Oral History Of The Great Warming,
And watch James Burke, he can be quite humurous : )
it's gonna start raining in March and not stop for weeks, this pattern looks familiar to me and that's what happened the last time we had a warm dry February...they even coined the term "miracle March" to explain all the rain