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The Eastern Ukrainians Are Revolting
It is hardly surprising, given the drastically divided nation, that when Vitali Klitschko's pro-European political party ventured to Kerch - a city of the eastern edge of Ukraine in the Crimea region - things did not go entirely according to plan... This is the region that Russia has stated it is willing to go to war over and is deep in the pro-Russia territory... headlines galore are coming out of Ukraine but all that matters now is the Russian response...
Especially after Tymoshenko's earlier comments:
- *TYMOSHENKO URGES PROTESTERS TO STAY IN INDEPENDENCE SQUARE
- *UKRAINIANS OBLIGED TO BRING YANUKOVYCH BACK TO KIEV: TYMOSHENKO
- *TYMOSHENKO: UKRAINE MAY BRING CHANGES IN OTHER EX-SOVIET STATES
- *TYMOSHENKO: UKRAINE WILL HELP OTHER COUNTRIES UNDER `DICTATORS'
A EuroMaidan meeting does not go quite as planned in the east/west of Ukraine...
As is clear from this map - the nation is desparately divided (Kerch is on the eastern corner of the Crimea peninsula at the bottom on the map)...
As Russia warned before...
"If Ukraine breaks apart, it will trigger a war,” the official said. “They will lose Crimea first [because] we will go in and protect [it], just as we did in Georgia.” In August 2008, Russian troops invaded Georgia after the Georgian military launched a surprise attack on the separatist region of South Ossetia in an effort to establish its dominance over the republic.
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The brief conflict with Georgia pitted Russia indirectly against the US and Nato, which had earlier tried to put Georgia on a path to Nato membership. The Kremlin regards the Georgian conflict as the biggest stand-off between Russia and the west since the end of the Cold War and it has fed determination in Moscow to push back against what it believes to be western attempts to contain Russia.
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The warning of a similar scenario comes because Ukraine’s civil conflict has fanned tension in Crimea. On the peninsula, located on the northern coast of the Black Sea where Russia’s Black Sea Fleet is stationed, ethnic Russians make up almost 60 per cent of the population, with Ukrainians and Crimean Tatars accounting for the rest.
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Volodymyr Konstantinov, speaker of Crimea’s parliament, said on Thursday that the region might try to secede from Ukraine if the country split. “It is possible, if the country breaks apart,” he told the Russian news agency Interfax. “And everything is moving towards that.” Russian media also quoted him as saying Crimeans might turn to Russia for protection.
Some humor might help...
But it's pretty clear who they blame...
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Its beyond any shadow of doubt (now) that O'Barry is as corrupt as they come, so he's got that going for him, in certain gang circles...lol.
But...as far as his leading this nation into war, we've already cut his nuts off in Syria, thats where they can be found...which is a good thing. Putin already knows this, so it'll be up to the military might and "high minded diplomacy" of the EU (ROTFL!!!) to sort this one out for themselves.
Not us.
Nyet.
Europe cannot give Ukraine anything other than unemployment ...
Oh the EU can make them debt serfs to the NWO and tax slaves. The Red Shield klan will set up a central bank. BTW- Russia's tax rates is less than 15%.
"Stealing Popcorn" utoob video...US Prosecuters tell of investigate Yulia's gas stealings, money launder and offshore hiding...
One ringy-dingy...
BUT, before 3AM ... comes 2AM!
:-D
I don't think Russia is going to let Kiev go, and definitely not any region near the black sea.
Ah, but West Ukraine has already been lost to the cause of civilization.
Russia will defend itself and Belarus, it remains to be seen if it will prop up the Hungarian, Polish and Turkish regimes.
I suspect that the Russians could come to some agreement with the Germans over how to split Poland. ;-)
They don't want or need Hungary, would like t to have direct access to Serbia, Montenegro and the Adriatic. They'd like to have a permanent port on Cyprus even more, but the Brits won't leave. If they did, the US would take over in a heartbeat. In which case the Russians would rather have the Brits stay put.
Turkey has always played on both sides, while looking out for its own interests. They know human nature and history too well, to do otherwise.
the only wild card are the Americans "Captain."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4flM_skuv4
"I was like you once; so worried about duty and obligation I couldn't see beyond my own uniform...and where did it get me?"
Again, where is the U.S. Military in defending The Constitution?
It is your highest obligation; not guarding oil and poppies.
The US Military defends MIC and the NWO/elites. Oh and defense contracts for MIC like the piece of shit F-35.
Between gold toilets and $50 billion on toilets that can't flush toilet paper, Putin has been bitch slapped into next years budget. He will be AWOL for the rest of the years licking his wounds
Another Cult_of_Treason sock puppet appears. Cue sock puppet El Tuco on his other hand in 3...2...1...
I'm here Kurva...Gonna stay on your ass until you have to go whore your mother tonight for a kopek....
Another brilliant example of what neocon sockpuppets love to claim as critical thinking, thinking for themselves and stuff like that.
If Putin is playing chess, he is at least 2 tempos behind and he just let someone complete a fianchetto....
He is too much of a thug to use anything but the sledgehammer of direct military intervention, which will go unopposed by the West... He will thereby lose by at first winning, as it will become a replay of "Kabul on Dnieper"....
If he truly has diplomatic skills, he will cede "independence" for western ukraine while exacting beneficial terms for gas transfer payments...
The EU and the rest just have to sit back and watch his position literally self-immolate...
Kulak: Putin's message to the corrupted west is also my message to you
The West is in fact so stupid that they might send troops into Ukraine. They are so stupid that they may actually send in German troops under NATO into Ukraine.
Yes they are THAT stupid.
American troops won't go anywhere near Ukraine, because...
Israel has no strategic interests involved.
But the military industrial complex always profits from conflict.
Clueless right wing droid,
The last time German troops invaded Ukraine, they rang the church bells in Kiev.
Yes, they hate the Russians that much. Can you say holodomor? If you can't, Google can.
It's pretty clear that 'Tyler' hates Ameica and the west, but this pretense that there is not an overwhelming majority in Western Ukraine willing to fight to stay out from under Putin's thumb is a disgrace to what still pretends to be a rational site.
Yeah.. that's the idea. Awaken the memories of the "last time" in Russia... Remind the Russians... Stir the past a bit.
I am sure Western politicians are prepared to handle what comes next.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
""Killing by Starvation" was a man-made(my remark: by Stalin) famine in the Ukrainian SSR in 1932 and 1933. During the famine, which is also known as the "Terror-Famine in Ukraine" and "Famine-Genocide in Ukraine", millions of citizens of Ukrainian SSR, the majority of whom were Ukrainians, died of starvation in a peacetime catastrophe unprecedented in the history of Ukraine... the demographic losses due to the famine amounted to 10 million, with 3.9 million famine deaths, and a 6.1 million birth deficit."
talk about holocaust
Stalin was Georgian. Also, how come nobody slams the left with their crimes in the USSR and the rest of the world? Why is it acceptable to be a Marxist, Maoist, Leninist, leftist, leftist at large, you name it?
I just find the tolerance towards the left more and more intolerable.\rant
"During the famine, which is also known as the "Terror-Famine in Ukraine" and "Famine-Genocide in Ukraine", millions of citizens of Ukrainian SSR, the majority of whom were Ukrainians, died of starvation in a peacetime catastrophe unprecedented in the history of Ukraine... "
You're lying, together with Wikipedia.
- You know in what areas there was a famine?
- You know the% composition of the russian population in these areas?
- You know that the Bolsheviks were forced to force russian people to write in the passport nationality "Ukrainian"?
- You know about the genocide Russian people in the Carpathian?
You do not know nothing of this.
I know this because I have been studying this topic for documents and publications of those years, published in the United States and Britain.
I can easily prove to you on facts and documents that you are lying. But I see no point in wasting energy on persuading paid trolls like you.
For Start:
Fraud, Famine, and Fascism: The Ukrainian Genocide Myth from Hitler to Harvardhttp://www.rationalrevolution.net/special/library/tottlefraud.pdf
No need to be arrogant. I only provided link to wiki for the lazies. Wiki information(as all history) should always be taken with a grain of salt. My post didn't have intenion to put a political spin on the topic, your bias is to blame if you see it everywhere. Millions of people died, nationality for me is irrelevant. I'm not sure how many of you can actually comprehend this horror. I'll check your link later
"No need to be arrogant. I only provided link to wiki for the lazies. Wiki information(as all history) should always be taken with a grain of salt."
Yes, I agree with your criticism. I responded to your message too emotional. I offer you my apologies.
I just really really good at this topic, ranging from lying about the number of deaths from hunger and ending the lie that most of the dead were ethnic Ukrainians. Stalin did not fight with nationality. Stalin fought with the class of prosperous peasants of any nationality.
But today, the propaganda lies to us about the events of those years, in every letter.
apology accepted, no harm done. i completely agree with your stance on stalin.
i believe you are well read on the topic. in the future, until i have further studied it, i'll approach the topic with the equal reservation i have for the holocaust. thanks for the fresh viewpoint.
introduction of the book was enough to detect soviet union apologist who uses jewish sources to confirm his bias.
seriously, did your research arrive to this conclusion or was it your starting point from the beginning? i can easily find multiple sources to confirm my own bias on any topic but i won't.
i'm from ex-soviet state so don't come to me with your western propaganda conspiracy bullshit. though, i'm not old enough to have first hand experience of stalin era, i'm sure in matter of days i could have access to multiple official records/sources to prove the horror of socialist pogroms in my country instead of leaning on single layperson studies with obvious prejudice. i'm sure ukrainians know their history as well. some canadian(jew?) to rebut ukrainian history? seriously?
i guess i'm just not naive enough to buy your jewish spin. how many americans have heard of holodomor? not many, i suppose. but still there is a need to question everything which could compete with holocaust. who's the troll here?
or are you russian? that would also explain a lot
I am - Ukrainian.
I just don't like lies and liars about our history.
I have more than 100 different sources. References to some of these are given below in this discussion.
- Do you know what the word "famine" - is newspeak and you will not find this word in any dictionary published before 1970?
- Do you know where it came from the word "famine"?
- Do you know what year it first appeared?
- You know exactly who coined the word in order to give visibility famine genocide?
You only have one chance to argue with me - is to challenge every time not about the facts, but only about source of information. LOL.
Well I for one, am sitting on pins & needles over here...lol.
Can I assume the word appeared sometime before a rider (holding scales) of a black horse came forth shouting "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!"? ;-)
i can't answer your questions off the top of my head and due to my suspicion you are trying to address a certain point with them i would encourage you to feel free to enlighten us on the etymology of famine?
I don't know the Tylers or Tyler but I doubt they hate America. The corrupt America they probably hate which includes Obam Amerika. People are people but the politician puppets and their masters - the bankster families and elites are what make countries shit.
"That Was No Small War in Georgia" Mark Ames Radar Magazine
I see... I see.... Wait! It's geting clearer!
It's Zbigniew Brzezinski entering Lwów in a Leopard tank!
You said it. They stink on ice!
Thank you!!!!
Tymoshenko is a gas oligarch so is Putin....
If the Ukraine gets divided as long as Russia gets Crimea and to a lesser extent Odessa, they win the Nabucco chess match...
Expect Moldova chirping about Transnistra and Odessa next if the split happens.
An divided Ukraine is the best possible outcome for the EU/NATO at this point assuming they can also get Crimea and Odessa in the split.....
An undivided Ukraine is next to worst possible outcome dependent upon elections etc. They can't easily get pro EU leader(s) in an undivided Ukraine easily playing the backdoor game on Russia's doorstep.
Can anyone offer a single citation as to where she supposedly had the money hid? If she did have money offshore she would not have gone back to Ukraine to get arrested
The MIC bagmen I know use suitcases, not bank wires (and this was way before the NSA was openly plugged into SWIFT, it helped because the people they were paying off often didn't trust bankers either).
Do any midnight gardening or ever had a boating accident?
Yes, another EU ploy.
DCH
You left out just one ever so minor detail.
In the event of that East/West split of Ukraine the offensive ballistic missiles that the NATO "ass puppet" will have pointed at Russia from the Western side... Notice how I left out the use of the words "Missile Defense Shield" that of course is their to protect Russia in the event Iran decides to attack Eastern Europe but that NATO and the U.S. refuse to include Russia in regarding it's "construction" even though they signed a treaty with the U.S. for inclusion.
I hate to say it but Stalin knew the slimy Zionist Jew bastards in England an the U.S. would have won the game had their not been an Iron Curtain and he had a good reason to be paranoid.
Fast forward to 2014 for that answer!
It has nothing to do with missiles or jooooos. They got the missiles trained on Russia in Poland and other states. It just makes it easier to launch them closer they don't get an advantage on range or reach just the amount they could fire off in one shot since they can get closer using a sub for example and launch off a few missiles at any time. Only way it become about missiles is if the Crimea doesn't stay under Russian control and I don't just mean as far as missile shields goes. This all about power and controlling the pricing of it to the preferred customer aka the EU and Europe in general. All the other issues are of minor consequence.
Agree, don't think Crimea is going to be under anyones control other than Russia, but it doesn't help to have the Country split in two with offensive missiles pointed at them.
We both know that there is no such thing as a "Missile Defense Shield", there are only "offensive" missiles which is why the farce of an Iranian threat is so absurd.
Disagree.
Its very much about having a first strike capability that is not defensible.
Cuba was a response to exactly this same old US machination.
If that is the case then the Russians will most likely make it clear under no uncertain terms what happens next and the US is going to wind up a pariah if they push the issue. The Russians won't blink if the stakes are high enough.
I still disagree about the missiles because this isn't the 1960's anymore and they have 1st strike capability to hit the east/west coast via sub fleets if they really want to. US has the same capability to do so from the Black Sea so grabing the Ukraine strictly for missiles doesn't get them any closer plus the minute they put in missile batteries the Russians are going to have everything targeted 24/7 anyways from the Crimea and Black Sea so it basically a one strike volley (deadly but only a single volley) and that is it. Submarine on the other hand can get multiple shots off with the right maneuvering.
Guess it all depends Dewey on the number of "blackhole" submarines the Russians and Chinese can and already have deployed that carry their strategic nuclear arsenal.
I think it's safe to say that the "incident" off Catalina Island is a good excuse for our Government to tone things down in the immediate future in this part of Eastern Europe and Asia. Lest we forget what almost happened 3 years earlier in Ossetia. Not certain where our military is in the morale department but if the DOS and CIA keep tickling the "funny bone" of the Russian neighborhood I think it's safe to say the stay they may be pondering will be quite different then the ones they have enjoyed in Iraq and Afghanistan over the past 12 years.
Suffice it to say "encirclement" of other superpowers can certainly be a real bitch in the money and personnel department(s)!
>>>An divided Ukraine is the best possible outcome for the EU/NATO at this point assuming they can also get Crimea and Odessa in the split.....
For ethnic, historic and strategic reasons, there is NO WAY Russia will permit Crimea to end up under NATO control. Odessa could, conceivably, be bargained away by Moscow for major concessions elsewhere.
Obviously staged with paramilitary types posing as grass roots.
Ukraine bonds are only off 20% and debt load is only 40% GDP . Work force is ranked # 4 in Europe
Get rid of the present bankster administration and foreign investment will follow
International Bankers Put On Notice
The US flag burning at the end really ties the video up in a nice neat pretty bow.
Ok, so the Crimea is half full of Russian military.
I've had a fairly intense interest in the Ukraine ever since the Soviet Union went tits up. While most of my naval service was spent up in the Barents, one of my shore deployments found me on a naval intelligence staff with its eye fixed firmly on the Soviet Black Sea fleet and its home port at Sevestopol.
When Ukraine became an independent republic, it had a fuck-ton of the former Red Army's hardware and a God-awful amount of tactical and strategic nuclear armaments. It had the potential to become the most powerful industrial center in eastern Europe by a large margin (outside of Russia, of course). Of course, we all know how that story ended: the Ukrainian government "repatriated" all of that nuclear hardware, pared down the military and sold off much of its tanks, planes, etc (although much of its small arms inventory ended up on the global black market, as former Red Army generals made for a brisk payday).
As time wore on and Russia became resurgent, Putin began issuing Russian passports to anyone in the eastern Ukraine (and in particular, Crimea) who asked and could establish even the most ephemeral of Russian heritage. The goal, of course, was to establish any pretense whatsoever to justify a casus belli should intervention become necessary to seize the Crimea for Russia...and protect its strategic interest with regards to Sevestopol.
Sevestopol is now what everything that happens from here on out in the Ukraine is all about.
To my way of thinking, the Crimea has historically been a Russian possession. It only ended up as part of the Ukraine because of all the machinations that occurred during the October Revolution. Russia could only have given Crimea to Ukraine with a wink and a nod, knowing that the Soviet government would have the total control over the area anyway. After the Soviet dissolution, Russia was in no position to rectify the situation militarily, especially since the Ukraine was in possession of one of the Red Army's largest military formation and oh, by the way, was also a nuclear power.
Well, they aren't now. And Russia is in a position to rectify the situation in regards to Crimea. Putin will move to occupy the Crimea and probably a good sized portion of eastern Ukraine. Europe will do nothing, because of their anemic military and the salient fact that Russia controls their energy supplies. Bath House will do nothing because...well, do I really have to detail the reasons? We are all familiar with them.
The Ukrainian military will try to resist, most likely. But this isn't 1991, and they will be brushed handily aside. The new Republic of Crimea is a foregone conclusion at this point.
Crimea was always Russian. I think it was Khrushchev who assigned the region to Ukraine in 1954, but back then this was a purely administrative matter, it was just easier to run things that way i guess. It certainly did not mean anything within the context of the USSR.
If you look at a map of the old Russian Empire prior to fall of the tsarist regime, you're right - Crimea was a part of Russia proper. After the formation of the Soviet Union, while Crimea was still a part of Russia, it was still handled out of Kiev purely as an adminidtrative matter. Krushchev merely formalized the arraingment as he ascended through the ranks of the Pilotburo. He was Ukrainian, after all, and had quite a large amount of clout to wield. So you are exactly right.
and then what?
That's the $64 billion (adjusted for inflation) question, isn't it? But here is what I keep thinking about, again drawing from the information I was privy to during my time in DNI:
In 1991, Russia was very much a defeated superpower. Her economy was in shambles. Her military deplorably underfunded, poorly equipped in comparison to NATO. There was a sufficient amount of information to suggest that at least one-third, and likely much more of her silo-based ICBM arsenal was in such a state as to be inoperational (which was neither here nor there, because her Typhoon and Delta-series boomers most likely had perfectly operational ICBM missles, MIRV armed and with global reach).
It was at this time that Russia was reaching out her hand in friendship to the West. And what was the response of George H.W. Bush's administration (and Clinton, and W thereafter)? To push NATO right on up to her borders, thus poking the wounded bear right in the eye. What could have been the beginning of a US-Russia-European hegemony of peaceful coexistence hence thereafter turned into a continuation of the old Cold War rivalry. The results of which you see today. My former colleagues and I could only shake our heads - we had spent most of our adult lives on the front lines of the Cold War, and all our hopes to see it ended were dashed in but two short years after the dissolution of the USSR.
Anyway, where does it go after Russia occupies the Crimea and sets up a puppet "republic?" I rather doubt that Russia stops there. They will move to occupy much of eastern Ukraine, on the pretense of protecting all those people with Russian passports. I could envision them even making a go for Kiev, not to occupy, but to bring the pro-western government to heel. NATO is going to have an interesting choice to make.
Remember that NATO was formed for the sole purpose of containing the USSR (read: Russia) and detering any attempt by that power to march to the Bay of Biscaine. If NATO does not respond forcefully to any attempt to partition Ukraine (or failing that, to march on Kiev), can NATO retain any credibilty as a military organization..or indeed its raison d'ete for existence? Enquiring minds, and all that.
" can NATO retain any credibilty as a military organization..or indeed its raison d'ete for existence?"
NATO has "Faithful" members like Turkey and Greece. Could you tell us which way they are going to back Nato and the EU, AGAINST Russia??
Greece will do whatever its puppet masters in Brussels tell them to do.
Turkey is a wild card. Their attempts to get into the EU has been fraught with pitfalls from the beginning. I'm not sure that their Islamist PM is all that gung-ho about membership in that clusterfuck anymore. If he is, he'll back whatever the EU does. If not, watch him do the opposite. I'm keeping in mind the Muslim insurgents in Chechnya, and Erdogan's hard-on for their ideology. I think the ongoing Muslim infilitration of Europe (via Europe's easy open borders and immigration policy towrds NEMA) might have some influence on Turkey's thinking, too.
Greek politicians maybe but I was told the people are not very amenable with ALL THE POLITICIANS From Ultra LEft to Ultra Right it is very unstable I talked to some turks they are the same wild card like you say
You're not wrong about the Greek people's feeling regarding their current government. The ascendence of parties like Syriza and Golden Dawn tell the tale. But look at it this way: When push comes to shove, will the Greek electorate fall into line...like they did when they elected New Democracy (ostensibly center-right. Que the LOLs at this point) and the Socialists to be their coalition partner, all for the purpose of keeping Greece in the Eurozone (and by extension the EU). I'm quite resigned at this point that the Greek populace has precisely zero fight in them when it comes to confronting Brussels' dictates...but damn, I'd sure love to be wrong about that.
NATO credibility? The EU and Obam's Amerika is an incredibly corrupt NWO-bankster joke.
Godd analysis. Thanks.
Ho Ho! I was surprised Bath House took the skin flute out of his mouth/ass long enough to get dressed and head to the press room to draw another Red Line. He is so brave (when his enemies cannot defend themselves)!
Balanced - yours is one of the most informed comments I've seen on this set of events. Thank you. We are about to witness some very significant geo-political shifts, and the weeping crime of it is that all we have available on our side is assholes like the State Department bitch who couldn't keep her ignorant mouth shut on an unsecured line. And who never, ever will be made to pay for her treasonous actions, because she is one of the insiders who think they run the world. Until they don't.
Thanks. And you're welcome. I've been out of the service since 1994, so keep in mind that most of my inside info is dated. Still, so much of what I was privy in the Crimean sphere is still classified to one degree or another. Indeed, everything of an operational nature (especially of my time under the Barents) is a no-no.
One thing is for certain: If NATO has any military card to play, it would be the US that has to do the heavy lifting. The European contingent of NATO is a joke, having been protected by the American military umbrella since the end of the Cold War...western Europe's military power has dwindled to near nothing. Note that NATO could not even dislodge Khaddafi in Libya until America got involved.
@ Balanced Integer
It's great that you speak Russian! I ask you to show Tolle, our "Mother of Kuzma"!
www.ukrstor.com/talergof/
http://kpu.net.ua/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/golod.htm
www.fraza.com.ua/zametki/04.12.06/31397.html
http://www.anti-orange-ua.com.ru/index.php/content/view/1825/42/
www.ukrstor.com/dikij/
http://www.contrtv.ru/common/1627/
Putin would be smart to let the Western Ukraine go - then Chernobyl would be the EU's headache... If Putin keeps the Crimea and leaves the Ukraine landlocked, the Ukraine will just become a waif state dependent on EU handouts.
I think that was his plan all along. It is certainly playing out like that.
Return CRIMEA to RF, Ukraine still has a seacoast... probably longer than RF's. Chernobyl is already EU's problem, Putin will never lift a finger to help. Chernobyl was a great advance for Communist nations, & a disaster for all earthlings.
Last tourist leaves Sochi...
Off goes the gas.
If this keeps up your gonna have to contact the Chinese to step up flag production.
gaurden - that is funny. at this point, i'm guessing, but. probably some huge percent of any type of 'USA FLAG' is made in china.
yes, yes they are
putin cannot win he got beaten by nato and the mossad in georgia he will be beaten again.
mi6,mossad,soros,cia and brave jewish house of saudi arabia.
nat rothschild and monsanto have it all planned out.
watch the brave leader of georgia in triumph celebrate the humbling of putin.
Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvilia warning to the putin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZ02MlVRcMA
Don't worry Tony the IDF is ready, willing and able against Ukraine's neighbor just like they have been with Syria and Iran!
Go get 'em Fido!!!
And New Yorkers are revolting too. And, Texans...You ever drive through Texas on Route 10; the whole damn state stinks.
q99x2 - that's the smell of hotpockets being made son. What's wrong with you - you don't appreciate the efforts of honest businessmen trying to feed Amerika?
Now that's funny.
Crimea should be part of Russia anyway. Russian majority and Khrushchev gave it to the Ukranians in 1954.
I don't envy Ukraine but anyone wanting to become a slave to the EU deserves exactly what they're going to receive.
I say it should be Austrian.
They had it longer.
Plus all Russians are descended from Kievans...not the other way around.
We all know who wears the pants in that Imperial Shithole.
Dude, slow down, you're all over the place. First it's Austria, then Russia and Kiev, and you finish up with Michelle Obama.
There is something that Ukraine has in common with Japan. That would be fallout from a nuclear disaster.
Burning the American flag. "Well done" on mine -Please!
Brings back fond memories of when this Country had individuals in it that cared enough to protest it's government's abuses in wars like Vietnam!
Now everyone that burns it has a damn good reason considering what we've done and are still doing in these Countries but none of them are "soul searching" Americans?
What an absolute pathetic disgrace the U.S.A. truly is!
My goodness we must have alot of draft dodger "chicken hawks" with "down arrows" this evening.
That list includes Dick Cheney, George W., Bill Clinton, Paul Bremer, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle...
Don't forget to add Chuck Krauthammer to that list.
I did down-vote you, though. I haven't forgotten that it was an earlier incarnation of that flag that was flown by the brave patriots that founded this country by defeating the world's greatest superpower of the time.
It isn't that flag's fault that it is being poorly represented by the morally bankrupt leaders of this country.
Some people around the world might have a gripe. Americans who burn American flags just piss me off.
BI
To that I say that you and I have been duped many times as flag waivers.
If you really want to know how esoteric and deep the "rabbit hole" goes on the actual number of times we've been "Just", read a book that 'TheFourthStooge-ing' brought to my attention several months ago called "Gruesome Harvest", or perhaps what happened to the 1.7 million German POWs after they surrendered? Did you ever find out about any of this in your formative education years in high school, cause I sure as hell didn't?
And let's not even get into the sordid details of what a real holocaust looks like from the perspective of the Native Americans?
There aren't any flags with Nations underneath them. Only banks!
I hope Anastacia is OK. She works in Kiev.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcHAXXozU64
Another successful foreign policy put forth by the arrogant narcissistic lying illegal alien kenyan sociopath and its stooge minions.
This map is still biased as I know for a fact over 50% of the population in KIEV also speak RUSSIAN as their native language. THE BLUE PART SHOULD BE MUCH LARGER AND COVER A BIG PART OF CENTRAL UKRAINE TOO.
Agree...All families I know of in Kiev and area use Russian. All are dead set against these radicals and EU.
As far as map, even way more business is done in Russian across Ukraine.
It wouldn't matter but only that the media makes up crap to suit agenda.
Where Boris is?
Dear Angela Merkel,
Kindly send in your best troop in overseeing the expansion of EU territory. Atomizer has a dart board of EU. Wait while I throw dart to give you direction for military intervention. [Throws dart]
Looks like the Paris army will need to invade Ukraine.
Paris Under Nazi Occupation (1940)
BTW, all kidding aside.. Good luck selling the insolvent European Union expansion phase to Global community. Don’t forget to use doublespeak words to sound convincing. Pound your fist on podium a few times. It will scare the people into fear. hehehehehe
that's not very nice.
Perhaps you were thinking of this guy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_invasion_of_Russia
At least he took Moscow...
Actually, my point is Germany took over Paris. Frankly a peacefully invasion. Then you have the Jews claiming ovens, holocaust and whatever unimaginable thought up lie. Here we are today watching the same lies, by the same people. That was my sarcasm in sending France to Ukraine.
if russkies try anything funny EU will start mobilization, I am in
What peasant EU weapon will you use to mobilize? NATO or a AK-47?
go chew on putins balls some more, bum
Please. We have a Putin in the US. Do you remember this? I don’t give two shits about Putin, we have our own fires to put out in USA. It is apparent that you don’t follow Geopolitics. If you did, then you could fire off comedy remarks and understand the real pressing economic issues that prevail.
President Obama CAUGHT! Assures Medvedev
I hope you prepared your Knapsack with your toy Gun against an Iskander
I may not have a clue about this thing, but it seems that 'the people' are being played against one another. I am shocked, shocked I say.
its simplier than you think - there is EU - civilized union of countries and there is a bum infested, narcoman crawling vodka drinking smelly shite - russia. It tries in vain to get a grip on everything surrounding it, but nations like ukrainians are finally fed up - lets see how China plays this part if all hell breaks loose - Syberia could be in its hands in the middle of a full fledged conflict
These dumb fucks haven’t updated their website since last month. The last posting was on job networks. They prefer not to advertise the cash burn status.
http://ec.europa.eu/europe2020/index_en.htm
as I said - drop that internet - thing and race to chew on putkins balls
Why do you live in fear over the internet. Do you have sleepless nights knowing the world is crashing down on you? You poor thing..
What is this obsession of yours with Putin's balls? Every other post you mention his balls... Why?
"What is this obsession of yours with Putin's balls? Every other post you mention his balls... Why?"
I think he's a pederast. Oh, sorry - homosexual.
"as I said - drop that internet - thing and race to chew on putkins balls".
Obama's balls, seem for you more delicious?ukraine map x 4
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/files/2014/01/ukraine-map-composite.jpg
Thank god our fearless president drew a red line to stop this insanity. He showed 'em.
Obama pledged to put Joe Beiden on looking into and dealing with the Ukraine.... How does that help? Oh yea I forgot, Obama handed out another red line. Looks like a Lame duck, limp di-k.
I am shocked by the amount of brainwashed westerners commenting on things they have no clue about, 99percent of them probably havent been easterner of Paris, but they "know" better than those who fought independence wars with russkies!
Most russkie ball sucking fags do yourself a favor - sell your properties and move to the motherland, scum
If you had half a brain you would understand that independence wars henceforth will be fought with the Declining Empire of the US.
The country driving death and destruction in the world is the US.
So tell us the Intel scoop on how to tackle the Ukraine dispute? We’re all ears glued to your next posting!
Think it can't happen here?
Think again.
As someone who's been following this with increasing befuddlement, I have no idea what's going on in Ukraine or who's going to win.
But I'm pretty sure that it won't be good for Ukranians, Russians, Americans or anyone else for that matter.
It's all about the banker's my friend.
Yes, this past December, Victoria Nuland was shilling for the IMF in the same talk that she stated that the US had funneled $5 billion into Ukraine to support the protesters. If they sign a deal with the IMF, they will get ass raped by western bankers. The outside world is giving them shitty choices. Civil war, assrape by bankers and the EU, assrape by Putin, etc... I would love to see them simply clean house on the corruption, stand united and declare themselves neutral. That would piss everybody who is meddling in their affairs off, and likely confuse the hell out of them too.
In which ends up as the IMF dumping a bag of white powder on table and pulling out a razor blade to divide the BIS profits. Winks
Does "Fascisiti" translate to "Fo Shizzle"?
I have to admit that in my mind this conflict has so many computations and permutations to it that it is scaring me.
Unfortunately leaders see clearly only after the dust of war has settled.
What the fuck is an " Eastern Ukrainian "? If you mean an ethnic Russian who just happens to reside in that beshitted geopolitical entity known as the Ukraine, why not just call him a fucking Russian?
As a Swiss once said, you are either Swiss, or you are not. And I guess that also applies to goddamned Roooshians and Martians.
Ask ulterior
We are still waiting on his intel reply.
I wonder what you will say if the Mexicans in the USA outbreed the white Americanos
Do not listen please Faux News propaganda. Better to read the real history, as amended 1800-1917 period, but not now.
Then you'll know exactly what to 1917 , the state of Ukraine , has never existed on the political map of the world. And you will also know that the so-called "Kievan Rus" - is the name of only historical period , but not the name of any state education.
All so-called eastern regions of Ukraine ( including Crimea and the so-called Ukrainian Settlement ) is the old native Russian land.
Where Russia's rulers at different times, allowed to settle and live Ukrainians who fled from the Polish oppression .
I hope you now understand why on this land, are so many Russian people now.
By the way, most people who died of starvation, is Russian people in the south and east of Ukraine. In western Ukraine, the famine was not. But today, this hunger is outraged western Ukraine, which is generally felt no hunger.
Well...then tell it like it is...western Lyiv "Ukrainians" are largely poles, not Ukrainian blood.
dated material from 2002 regarding Ukraine's gas-pipeline and mother Russia,...
scroll down site for current events regarding??? Soros and Orange Revolution redux...
"Russia to Construct new gas pipeline for Ukraine" 12/8/02
http://english.pravda.ru/news/russia/economics/12-08-02/15630-0/
Hmmm.... Michael A. McFaul (member 'Center on Democracy Development and the Rules of Law' interpretation CIAalQaedaNSA... deposed ambassador Russia today... http://www.muckety.com/Michael-A-McFaul/1108.muckety
What do Sheldon Adelson and Maurice Strong have in common, and why do they so dislike Obama?
America no longer holds the Moral Highground. Sad really.
I sang this refrain on 911
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsxavPANO8s
The East Ukraine and South sent a real message to Kiev today! They said they will not only not accept any laws coming out of the revolutionary parliament, but the East and South will now be self financing from here on in. Now do you know what that means? The East and South Ukraine pay almost ALL the TAXES that go to the state. Because they have all the industry and productive enterprises. Since they, as of today, will send no tax money to Kiev, that means Kiev is bankrupt as of today. Not only that, but Russia will not send it's bail out billions to Kiev as of today, but instead to Karkov and to Crimea. Thus the East will be flush with money, while all Kiev and the West Ukraine can do is beg the EU and USA for billions. As of this minute, Kiev has no tax base of any consequence.
Think about that. Money talks louder than tanks. Seriously, what is west Ukraine going to do without a tax base. The revolutionaries are going to get a big lesson in capitalism.
The entire industry and all the natural resources are in the south and east of Ukraine , where 60 % of the population - Russian . Western Ukraine - it is empty.
The entire western and central Ukraine - is traditionally subsidized regions .
They have always lived off the south and east of Ukraine.
They did not suffer from hunger. On the Western Ukraine there was no famine. Hunger was there, where live the majority of the Russian people . Because it is an old Russian land, including Crimea. But what do we see today? Western Ukraine squeals and whines the loudest about the famine, which was not there!
Western Ukraine always sucked tityu of Mother Russia. And they always was ready spit to Russia.
Now, let them try to suck the penis of Uncle Sam! LOL
"silvermail" I appreciate your post. It is nice to see people post with fact based information and opinions. Unlike the propaganda and transparently biased posts of so many on this topic in this thread. You are indeed correct in what you say, but this angers the Western Ukrainians who will never admit the facts.
I believe that the East and South of Ukraine has chosen the best policy they could by now witholding all tax revenues from the West and keeping the money in their lands. It is hard to over estimate how important this tax base is, without it, the revolution in Kiev is simply a bunch of bankrupt rabid extremists.
Jack Burton,
Thank you for your kind words! I also really like your clever posts. Unfortunately, my English is very poor. For this reason, my communication on equal terms with my opponents, is very difficult for me.
Ukraine is driven into the EU and NATO as hunters usually driven boar.
Now they will begin to use Turkish and Muslim card in the Crimea. They are long and carefully prepared these mechanics in the Crimea, - all last 7 years.
I was thinking that Putin might let the Western Ukarainians become "wards" or "dependents" of the EU ... then cut off all the oil and resources.
Instantly, the EU has a shit-load of useless eaters, whilst Russia gets all the cream.
Ultimately, it is the promise of "something-for-nothing" which attracts these peripheral nations to the EU.
Sounds like a version of Castro's Mariel Boat crises. It's very interesting to watch how this geopolitical chess game plays out and how Putin handles this "defeat" which is a check but not a checkmate. EU and US are only the horses, Zion is the wests king and rider, and Putin's Russia is the easts king. In the meantime China has a similar problem with the west that Russia has. These two power centers have to have their geopolitical alliances broken up by sowing zionist discord thru proxy US/EU.
...and were still waiting for Putin's move.
Good stuff Jack. Thanks for the update.
As of this minute, Kiev has no tax base of any consequence.
Sounds like Detroit.
Da..I have been noticing they have no commercial plan, otherwise than destroy infrastructure...
I suppose they dream of take assets of productive regions freepay...good luck with that..
What is the US doing without a tax base to fund its spending? We invade Ukraine, Syria, Egypt, Libya, etc....
Tymoshenko to the rescue?
Whatever happens, more amateur Ukrainian lap dancers are gonna be heading for the UK. So, since this is supposed to be a financial site, buy stocks of G-string manufacturers and washing detergent companies such as Unilever, good for getting those messy stains out of guys' pants...
Ha! Brilliant post! +100
Borders are just man-made lines on a map. There is nothing holy about them. In the five billion year history of this planet the nation state is a very recent invention. Of course it suits kleptomaniacal asshole politicians well to pretend that there is something sacred about those geographic fictions known as countries. More for them to steal.
Police returned from Kiev to Crimea - Sevastopol. People came with flowers, to meet the police as a heroes!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4W2PwP0FBQ#t=138
Better people than the radicals on the maidan.
Spasiba for video..it makes strong statement
The police are heroes. They did a great job.
Crimea belongs to tar tar people, f22 will be there one day early.
F22 - it is easy prey for the Russian missiles - just a target.
Americans love to boast of such a weapon , which is effective only against a weak opponent .
But history repeats itself.
All this already has been in the Vietnam. American automatic rifles and planes were better, only on the words.
In aerial combats in the skies of Vietnam, "obsolete" Russian MIGs , defeated the " newest " Phantoms United States, by a margin of almost two times .
And the " invincible " at the time B52, appeared just a easy target for "obsolete" Russian missiles.
When Russians decided that B52 should not take part in the war , they were shot down 8 pieces B52 in one day.
After this, in the U.S., was the national mourning. And after this incident, the U.S. Army realy stopped using the B52 in the Vietnam.
Oh stop it.
I'm the first person to give Russian weapons systems praise where praise is due, but the F4 Phantom II *dominated* the MiG once they got the bugs worked out and mounted a gun on it.