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Look What Was Found In Yanukovych's Compound
Among the items plundered from Yanukovych's compound (after he fled to Kharkov)...
More than a handful wanted in...
and soon they were all in...
And here's what they found...
"It's good to be king"
h/t @MichaelShchur
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Nope, sorry, that's not the US style. The Ukrainian people can look forward to living under a US-imposed shah and IMF-imposed "austerity".
But hey, some people love to cling to fairy tales for comfort.
I am going to make another guess (I don't try to predict anymore, my record is bad) that the Ukraine will more likely be run by the Russians. It is too close to Russia, and we do not have the clout to name that tune...
If the western part secedes, yeah, I agree that they will stay poor under EU tutelage.
Whatever happens will happen. But, it is none of our (USA's) business.
The Tea Party protesters could only spend the weekend and would not want to get sprayed with a fire hose or tazed or maced or beaten..."We ain't heatherns you know. That's for the "hippies of OWS."
What a load of bollocks. If it's none of our business, then what's he doing bloviating about it? He's obviously picked a side.
"With reports of police and soldiers in western Ukraine defecting from the government to join the rebellion"
That says it all. They didn't want to carry out illegal orders and suppress their own people, up to and including killing them, and so they "defected'?" Fuck you Pat Buchanan!
This was never about who offered the better deal. It was about people being shaken down daily by petty bureaucrats, right down to the guy who "sells" you your driver's licence. None of that would change with Russia in the driver's seat, and so the people chose the lesser evil.
If anything, this may set an example for other European nations to chuck their own bureaucrats and restore their national sovereignty.
But please, continue pontificating about the NWO and how they and the Jews (or are they the same?) are behind everything happening everywhere, except of course in Mother Russia where President For Life Putin runs things for the benefit of the people he loves so much.
This must be driving you and your Zionists buddies crazy, Ukraine getting rid of this thug. LOL...
So you and VD can go Eat Shit ...LOL....
Shche ne vmerla ukraina
1% already own guarded fully stocked islands with trillions of gold. They will leave in a moments notice when it suits their purposes. Adolf escaped and left a burned body to show the public.
I don't see them leaving behind a funcioning US military. They won't risk being brought to justice, so if they leave, they'll burn the house down on the way out.
More like 0.01% is at that level. I'm a 1% that knows a few 0.1%ers, and even they are not at the level of having serious backup plans and owning islands, that's triple-digit millionare and billionaire class.
I think the Ukraine meltdown shows, though, that if they have a private jet, they'll depart en masse to a safer destination. Private jet ownership happens at a pretty high net worth -- the reseach I found says private jet owners have an average annual income of $9.2 million and a net worth of $89.3 million.
So way, way past the 1%.
None of my five billionaire clients have those plans.They are far richer than Jamie or Loyd.
I think you are talking the 0.001%, just on the off chance their cover is blown.
I have one billionaire next door type client, why not a trillionaire next door. ?
This really doesn't surprise me. With sufficent funds spread around the world, you can relocate to any place with a five-star hotel with relative ease, especially if you're not politically connected (e.g. don't have one side out gunning for you.)
I think the key here is more mobility than anything else.
I take it you guys don't have to worry too much about paying the rent?
You mean he had those antiquated relics and not bitcoins?
What a backward country.
Shocking.
Hilarious. Another "stacker" that couldn't be bothered to take his gold - but don't worry Yanukovitch, I'm sure the thought that its a store of value for thousands of years will take away the pain of not having your metals in your hands.
LOL.
Nah he has all his wealth in bitcoins
He took the hookers and the Coke.
Fuck the the gold, it weighs too much!
He didn't take it because he was just holding for the Obama/Hillary adminstration.
wow - the politics of corruption, greed, selfishness - is there any good government?
Yes, a Constitutional Republic as laid out by the Founding Fathers of the US. It is the only way.
I hope that is sarcasm.
As laid out it was fantastic. As it is....dead Presidents are rolling in their graves in disgust. JMO
In other words, the paper Consitution didn't protect us from anything.
Alas, Mr Bush, it seems you're "winning"...sigh
"In other words, the paper Consitution didn't protect us from anything."
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." - John Adams
the average person, especially the indians, were better off before the revolutionary war, which was essentially a land grab from them. england was merely a patsy. the constitution, as wise as were the words, legitimized and defined the authority of a new form of government. much more intrusive than colonial english rule. the social setting on the frontier between the whites and natives was a revolutionary blend of communal tax free living. that boston tea party was a false flag. after the war, the indians in the east were routed to the reservations. the spoils of war are calculated before the battle begins.
from the smithsonian: After 1777, the average Continental soldier was young, single, propertyless, poor and in many cases an outright pauper. In some states, such as Pennsylvania, up to one in four soldiers was an impoverished recent immigrant. Patriotism aside, cash and land bounties offered an unprecedented chance for economic mobility for these men.
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But many Indian nations tried to stay out of the conflict, some sided with the Americans, and those who fought with the British were not the king's pawns: they allied with the Crown as the best hope of protecting their homelands from the encroachments of American colonists and land speculators. The British government had afforded Indian lands a measure of protection by the Royal Proclamation of 1763 which had attempted to restrict colonial expansion beyond the Appalachian Mountains, and had alienated many American colonists. Indians knew that the Revolution was a contest for Indian land as well as for liberty. from national park service
btw, it was the french who won the war for the colonials. they supplied food and clothing without which victory was not possible.
The Constitution! Who can rationally disagree with that!
A few people in Congress agree with you......but that's about it.
The war was about control of the continent and it's resources. Neither the Americans, the French or the British had any intention of not seizing Indian lands as soon as it was convenient.
War is a method of conquest. Always has and always will.
Oh, and Fuck the Crown.
Clearly the american constitution wasnt that wise. It couldnt prevent the monstrosity you have there now.
You can stop worshiping that now.
We have one....it's just that we're not using it.
the constitution lacks one critical amendment. "terms of office are limited to one. the penalty for election fraud is death."
Is any religion OK? Any moral framework?
How about secular humanism as the religion with Kropotkin as the moral framework.
Jesus would have wanted it that way.
Jesus was 100% clear on this, and this is one of the things that has allowed me to understand the worldview of so many here...
Jesus said as long as u find The Lord THROUGH HIM, your molestations, your crimes against humanity, your theft, your persecutions, your occupations, your embargoes, your hangings, your burnings, and your decapitations are all forgiven. For you are saved, and it the gandhis and everyone else who's fucked. No matter what, apparently.
Me thinks you might have been molested by a baptist elder. Seek council.
Pure genius. "Me thinks" LOL... More like "me regurgitates." I doubt you've ever had a thought that was your own, but instead of slinging crap that many do when "stuck", why not instead dispute what was said? I believe what I said to be accurate, as these near exact words have been stated by so many here.
I'll wait.
You're right tick, I don't dispute what you said was true, which is one of the many problems I've had with the fundies of which I was one. Did Jesus mean what the mainstream religious say he did? I don't think so.
Jesus means whatever the next interpreter claims. Usually prefaced by "Jesus was 100% clear on this."
Cuz how can science ever dispute a 100% gift of divine faith based clarity? I hear it's impossible.
So bypass the interpreter and go direct to the source ...
Which is kind of hard to do.
The religions from the 21st century on will not have this problem. It will all be digitally signed (thus verifiable authenticity, integrity and non-repudiation) and stored in a blockchain (thus safe distributed storage and global consensus on factuality and timing).
If an all-knowing God exists and He really cares about you and you really care about Him then you can just ask Him to show you the way and He will show you the way. He will hear. "Seek and you will find." You think He'll let a little thing like "translators" get in the way?
+10
I understand this concept.
But by "interpreters" here it was only meant the interpreters who wrote and rewrote about the life of Jesus Christ, the actual events of the time and the new models of human behavior. That knowledge itself would have been very beneficial for every human being today if it was available in an unadulterated form. That's why I pointed out some of the particular tools that exist today that are well suited to a much more efficient and effective way for wisdom to develop, spread uniformly and almost perfectly and persist over time.
I suppose I ought to have suffixed that last comment with my own atheism, so as not to lead any ovine down any garden paths.
Agree 100% tick: 'Personal Jesui' rarely reach a consensus when it counts. For the time the story was set though, it seems to me that ol' JC's character was quite literally secular, which is what ultimately did him in.
I don't want to hold someone's religion against them unless they're using it to justify stupidity.
Otherwise ok?
I mean with the SH to the K?
Naw, you didn't need to suffix anything. I actually regret hijacking the thread there, and your train of thought. I invited the herd and diverted attention away from what should have been a discussion more appropriate to what you were inviting. Don't ask me why I did it, heh. Maybe cuz I assumed that those already pre-disposed to look to religion for some basis of morality would do a double cog-dis on Kropotkin. And regarding the latter I'm speaking from my own previous notions and misconceptions on a man whose thinking was ahead of his time and whose general philosophy on wage slavery, volunteerism, and de-centralized government could now realistically be implemented.
I must've lost faith in the audience for a moment... Go figure.
And yes, of course, how one finds his whole ness with the world is personal and this "religious" experience and/or awakening should be viewed with benevolence... Another beautiful experience unique to the human mind. Unfortunately the branding of this experience has brought us your countless "justifications in stupidity."
I would've liked to have read more of your thoughts... So my apologies. ;)
Side note: I believe it's a great time to be alive despite... Monumentally so.
"But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain - that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case it is unfit to exist.”
Lysander Spooner
Correct. The problem is with what was missing. A part of the Preamble that should have said:
"Democracy is not for the uninformed, the lazy, disorganized or cowardly -- for its autocratic enemies are not".
In the end a People truly deserve their leaders and everything else they get, if they become "Comfortably Numb" and "Comfortably Dumb". And no "Constitution" will protect or save such a compromised People -- be it in the US, the EU, Ukraine, or elsewhere in the Galaxy.
Kirk out.
No, democracy IS for the uninformed, lazy, disorganized and cowardly. See our comment below. Did not junk you.
So, are you Montesquieuian in your definition of "constitutional republics?" Oligarchies and monarchies are preferable to people-power, as long as they're constrained by a legal document?
Whether democracy is for the informed or uninformed depends on when and where one samples democracy, or any other framework, such as republic, irrespective of the balance of power between the citizenry and the ever-present aristocracy or oligarchy.
The aristocracy (founding fathers) in the 13 US colonies looked to confederation of the 13 Swiss cantons of the Ancien Regime (fighting for independence from the Holy Roman Empire, Hapsburgs, et alia) in structuring the original Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union in the US, whose title is borderline plagiarism of the Perpetual Union of the Three Forest Cantons (1291).
Whether democracy is used as a tool of the citizenry to combat unitization/autarchy or a tool of the elite to achieve or maintain control disquieted minorities is a function of EDUCATION and CIVIC PARTICIPATION (beyond mere suffrage).
The education system in the US is beyond broken from the perspective of the citizenry, but is functioning beautifully from the propaganda and indoctrination oriented perspectives of the aristocracy. Furthermore, since the federalization of the Army and termination of draft in the US- civic participation for the majority is perhaps a one-day obligation per two or four-year cycle.
Without both education and civic participation, democracy is the legitimization of the mob, and the mob is always a puppet of the elite. However, in Switzerland to this day, democracy is a tool which allows the citizenry to restrain the natural impulse of the Federal government to increase its domain.
The quote below is from Jefferson to Madison 30 Jan 1787, as the tax revolt (Shay's Rebellion) was creating a desire within the US aristocracy for dismantling the Confederation and replacing it with Federal State (and nominal Republic). The outcome in the US was less bloody than Peasant War of 1653 in Switzerland (another tax revolt tied to currency devaluation), but the US peasants suffered more in the long run.
Societies exist under three forms sufficiently distinguishable. 1. Without government, as among our Indians. 2. Under governments wherein the will of every one has a just influence, as is the case in England in a slight degree, and in our states in a great one. 3. Under governments of force: as is the case in all other monarchies and in most of the other republics. To have an idea of the curse of existence under these last, they must be seen. It is a government of wolves over sheep. It is a problem, not clear in my mind, that the 1st. condition is not the best. But I believe it to be inconsistent with any great degree of population. The second state has a great deal of good in it. The mass of mankind under that enjoys a precious degree of liberty and happiness. It has it's evils too: the principal of which is the turbulence to which it is subject. But weigh this against the oppressions of monarchy, and it becomes nothing. Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem. Even this evil is productive of good. It prevents the degeneracy of government, and nourishes a general attention to the public affairs. I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical.
The latin is from Rousseau (of Geneva)'s Social Contract
But yeah, as long as the unwashed masses are uninformed, lazy, disorganized and cowardly, democracy is dangerous for them, and beneficial to their masters.
SSRI's for everyone! Maryjane must be legalized state level to keep them numb free Ishit so they can cruise their porn sites. Bread and circus at a level not even thought about just a few years ago.
As long as the thread is getting littered with Jefferson quotes:
If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.
Jefferson to Charles Yancey 6 Jan 1816
Here is a key point for any Republic wishing to retain freedom - women should not vote.
We've been down this path before darling. I have voted in simpatico with my white conservative husband for 30 years. Guess what. Not one fucking difference. If you think you males can change the world with your vote, be my guest. The time for faith in voting is over. Until you see this you are lost.
Miffed;-)
Someday, when time permits, I'll disabuse you of your narcissistic insouciance.
Narcissism and insouciance are two words that have never been used to describe me by anyone. So I am intrigued you would categorize me in this way. Perhaps you view me as insincere or trolling. I assure you I do not say what I do as simple bating to provoke a response from you or anyone. You are free to disabuse me at any point you see fit.
Miffed;-)
Really?
Look MM it's pretty clear you blow out the curve. I've never thought of you as a troll and value you posts; that said - when I say simply and without rancor that women should not vote...you playfully note that no one should. At this point, you are right.
But should we ever restore the Republic, women should not vote as they care not for the individual, or your rights but rather only what they can leverage and steal from ANYONE.
And I know, and realize your are not like that. Nice.
Join the female .001%
As you know as honest and experienced as you are, what I say is true. Women should not be entrusted with the vote. It is known, and obvious.
http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~iversen/PDFfiles/LottKenny.pdf
Now, MM here's the thing...will you cast aside your own snark and forever yield to science, history, and observation and submit your 'vote' to what you can influence on your man...or not?
It's academic, as we will BURN before some semblance of reality can intrude...but the truth is there. It is indelible and eternal - and the reason the vote was denied to women to begin with.
I can't be bothered at the moment...but do look up the female voting patterns the last 4 elections...
FREE SHIT?!
Female, says, yes.
At some point, we burn. I look forward to it.
Dear Full Metal Jacket,
I appreciate your honest candor. So refreshing after spending my life interacting with fully indoctrinated PC individuals that are beyond hope for any meaningful, unfiltered, genuine intercourse. You do me great honor and I humbly bow to have earned respect from one such as you. I hope you will never find this misplaced.
As regards to your points. You will note I had never advocated women have the right to vote based on gonads. May I suggest men should not have such privilege as well? The original concept was based on land ownership i.e. " skin in the game". There are many men today reaping the rewards of the " free shit" that has infiltrated our dying country. I am not talking of men who's livelihood that have been destroyed by these economic policies and are desperate for work but the ones who are gaming the system and are living quite comfortably. A friend of mine recently discovered in horror one of her tenants had 12 EBT cards, collects state disability, grows pot for the local community and works for cash occasionally in construction. His income exceeds hers after taxes of which he pays none but sales tax. He has male gonads so under your proposal he has a vote. I don't think he should and no, he is not a rare .0001% aberration I'm afraid. He has expressed to her he is quite happy with this arrangement and has no reason to change. My friend is so pissed of she wants to evict him but that would be difficult because the law is on his side.
Ten years ago I was a serious voter. My husband and I discussed and debated all the propositions, the candidates and their positive or negative impacts. This took days. I submitted to him when his argument was clearly stronger and we always voted as unified. I work full time ( much to the absolute sadness of my husband who, if he had the income,would gladly have me quit and stay home. I have told him I would if that ever happened).
I make about 100k a year. I pay 52k in state and federal takes. The remaining 48k goes directly to my husband. He provides me a small budget for my monthly expenses and my hobbies which I abide to. I believe 52k a year is enough skin in the game to prove my worthiness as understanding the value of society and the individual. Aren't I being myself leveraged and stolen from?
I can appreciate your argument that women in general do not have the capacity to see the good of the country and society. Last night I went to dinner here in Florida (on a business trip with my husband) and was surrounded by trophy women covered in bling. Their vacuous stares and silly conversation surely would have made your point over mine. I guess this leaves me with advocating myself a rare red pill woman who is quite out of place today. Perhaps I will have a place in the New Republic if it were to ever materialize if I survive the transition.
Miffed;-)
voting...i have never registered to vote. why would i give permission to someone and let them tell me what to do when that person is not as intelligent or as good looking?
remember, the American Constitution was for a Christian nation. This is why there has been this destruction of Christianity in America.
The liars and cheats have taken over without a fight; in fact they are being welcomed in through open doors. The few true Christians left are being marginalised, ignored and laughed at by the media etc.
They won by turning Christian Americans' strengths and virtues against them.
I call it jewjitsu.
I beg to differ.
http://www.nationallibertyalliance.org/
http://www.nationallibertyalliance.org/files/radio/14-2-11%20Power%20Hou...
moved
Hobbleknee, it is the people who forgot that the Constitution protects their rights. If you're putting together a lawn mower but choose not to follow the instructions, don't blame the manufacturer when it doesn't work.
Amen and good to see you, Meat!
Likewise, TeamDepends. Soon I'll be needing your GPS coordinates so I can pick you up in the RV.
Don't forget the beans! Anyone else care to join the convoy? Let's take these bastards!
Can I bring my gun(s)?
The Paper only protects you if you are vigilant and follow a moral principle; if a majority of The People will do this, we will regain what is Ours.
Doesn't matter how it was laid out, it turned out bad.
Negative there, Anus. Perhaps you don't know the difference between a democracy and a republic. Everybody please watch this, as time is running short. Know your rights and meet Joe Sixpack! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNHcKnjrSNE&list=PL5C7E393389616B3A
Completely honest, TeamDepends, no sarc tags and such drivel; I'm no American and I am eagerly interested in once and for all understanding the difference between democracy and a republic. Would you please be kind and explain it to me (if possible, without using analogies like 2 wolves 1 sheep)?
Thanks in advance!
Watch the video, it is part one of several. Red Beckman is an American hero and explains it much better than we could. Did not junk you.
Thanks for the heads up. I checked your link and saw it's a pretty long series of 10 min. clips, so I suppose he is discussing different issues in them, correct? Bookmarked the playlist and will watch it, but I was hoping for a compressed, tl;dr version of an answer. After all, it's a very simple question that doesn't require a 2 hour lection to be addressed...
It will be time well spent.
Impatient as God made me and searching for simple explanations, I just went through part 4 (Democracy vs. Constitutional Republic) & 5 (Constitutional Republic explained) of the series and have to admit I have a problem with Red's preaching because it conflicts logic. Will state them point by point:
- In the parallel pecking orders for the two "systems" (I use the term loosely) there's no mention of a Constitution in the pecking order of Democracy. Does he imply democratic states don't have constitutions? Red enlists, however, statute law in democracy's pecking order and statute law is always based upon and subordinated to the Constitution. Would you care to explain?
- On top of democracy's pecking order there is a certain group X consisting of bankers that rule over the majority by changing interest rates and other nefarious deeds, all behind a veil of secrecy. I wonder who put those bastards there? Are they a group that's segregated from the majority or do they come out of the corporations? By Red's own words I believe he's talking about the FED and we both know how the FED came into existence - it was enacted BY the majority in the US representative bodies in due process.
- Let's say that USA's system was a democracy already in 1913 - what would be the difference if at the time USA was a Constitutional Republic? How could the Individual, that holds greatest powers under Red's pecking order in a Constitutional Republic, stop the majority from enacting the FED and giving such crucial powers to owners and chairmen of corporations which will only pursue their own private interest?
Thanks again for your answers.
Our Constitution only works for a moral, virtuous people. It does not work when the people are amoral and forfeit their obligation to understand current events and engage in public discourse. Instead, we have turned over our country to sociopaths.
It would have worked… had we remained a people of virtue.
This isn't over until WE say it is! Whenever we are ready to throw in the towel, we hear TJ, GW, BF, SA, and the rest shouting from the other side: It isn't over until you give up!!!!! Freedom isn't free.
It has been usurped by Statutes, not Law.
http://www.nationallibertyalliance.org/what-happend-constitution
Join us.
Then, do not discount the tactics of the Progressives/Communists in additon to our wealth/materialism.
You cannot reason with people who have no belief in a Higher Power. At my age, I have noticed if one does not have a spiritual force in their lives, they will worship something else. Humanists worship materialism or a political ideology. In that system, individual human life is worthless: the State is god. Collectivism is the means to reach this 'god.'
Until we are willing to admit this and identify and neutralize the Progressives, we will continue to suffer.
To paraphrase Churchill, a representative republic is the worst form of government-- until you consider all the others. Likewise, 'capitalism' is the worst concept--until you consider the alternatives.
Free Enterprise, small c capitalism has to return or we face the return of a secons Dark Age.
The founding fathers were just ordinary men like all the rest. The constitution was not completed until the gathering of those who wrote it decided to pray and ask for divine intervention. The document itself recognizes a higher Power. Even then, the constitutional republic was never perfect. A higher Power is what people need to live in peace. Not systems or laws or rules and regulations or great men.
+ 1
Great insight and so true.
Look at what this leader did when his people were so poor and downtrodden. Do you think he was ever happy or content? If he was, why did he so obviously always want more? I feel rich but this man would laugh and mock what I own.
I don't know, but would suspect, that sociopaths and psychopaths are never happy. Not with their lives, not with their possessions, however many/much they have.
He probably would laugh and mock us both. He probably already did re his own people. How fitting that it looks like Russia will be his last home.
Unhappiness, dissatisfaction come from within.
No matter how much stuff you have, how much you attain externalities cannot overcome an internal dissatisfaction or unhappiness. Oh it may disappear for a short while, but it will always come haunting back.
Felt the same way when I saw the pictures. I would hate living like that in all that phony opulence and silly extravagance. I prefer a simple minimalistic life and have no need to impress others. I can't understand why others are so attracted to this. Contentment can never be achieved with physical possessions. The key is realizing you continuously have a need for something whether it's shopping , drugs, booze or gambling. There is something needs to be fixed and the external action wont address the true problem. The sad thing is most never see this and others profit from their lack of mindfulness.
Miffed;-)
Miffed, minimalists like you don't seek power. We can never have good government because good people don't aspire to be a part of it.
Miffed, why are you miffed? You seem to have freed yourself from desire.
Miffed was used as general term I felt at our country's direction when I created my avatar. Mad as Hell Microbiologist may be more appropriate now. Also I love alliteration. In many other ways I am Mellow Microbiologist.
Miffed;-)
The life style you prefer may be just over the horizon for those who desire it or not...
I too, share a desire for the minimalist life style and have been taking steps to make sure when things really go full retard that I'm not caught with my pants down.
As prepared as I was, Sept 2008 had a dramatic impact on my lifestyle.
DaddyO
You may not realise it, but you sound as if you would be happy in Sparta (Spartan Life). NO OPULANCE there, they did not have City Walls either, to protect something that they DID NOT HAVE(Not even Gold), and all that other fancy crap. In antithesis to ATHENS.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism
HTH.
Grandpa went from old money to no money to new money and was never flashy about his millions. He said "if you're not happy with a little, you'll never be happy with a lot."
While it's easy for people with money to tell you that money isn't everything, they sing a different tune when they're broke. Money isn't everything, but love doesn't pay the bills. Que: oldest profession joke.
Yeah, speaking of being poor, its certainly not a crime to be, but it sure is a helluva inconvenience
divine intervention...the black slaves could have used a sprinkle of those snow flakes
The Constitution was no Deus ex Machina. It was the synthesis and compromise of 4 explicit plans, 3 of which circulated in written form and were debated and refined over four months. Similarly, the Declaration of Independence had largely been written the month prior to that convention, where the main body of delegates focused on refining and compromising on major points of contention, while a sub-committee polished the language. 2000 years of history- the Greeks & Romans, Western & Central European, Scandinavian & Viking, and British Isles history provided a wealth of examples to the founding fathers of what worked and what didn't, and what was desirable and what should be avoided, and there was honest disagreement that needed to be worked through (including the proto-fascism of Hamilton).
When TSHTF, no amount of praying to any God is going to deliver a Deus ex Machina to save us. Praying that those responsible for crafting the next framework have both the historical perspective and the wisdom to observe, seek out, and synthesize what works and is desirable while shunning and disincenting that which doesn't work and sets off on dangerous paths... is another matter.
Edumacation... it does a body politic good!
yes, a constitutional republic the only way? See where that ended up in the usa. In the Soviet union under Stalin and in China under Mao they also had great constitutions. As long as there are enough people who feel they need to obey a ruler, there will be abusive rulers. Freedom is the only way, not democratic mob rule.
you're right.
but it depends on an informed, educated, and armed public.
the banksters and their corporate and MISC allies have chipped away significantly at the first two, and if they've failed on the third, they've made up for it by providing for overwhelming firepower for DHS and other agencies which are already hostile occupation forces.
Ukraine's president really was corrupt, and what seems to matter now is to what extent Ukraine, or portions thereof, can be free of both Russian and NATO/IMF meddling.
They may not be crushed with tanks, but they will likely be crushed by western loans and attached conditions. Meanwhile, their media appears to be even less independent and free than our own, mostly owned by a handful of oligarchs.
Bolivian president for one. Now, do not look into poverty and other issues. We are talking about honesty.
Also Scandinavian Countries in the past. Do not know how is it now though...
"is there any good government?"
Absolutely not. Predicated on vilifying some to placate others.
Here in America we got "Cash for Gold" and many "We buy junk cars" signs off the expressways. Just sayin'
edit: Hey, maybe my million dollar idea is "We pay cash for pirate boats" ? I do live by the Atlantic ocean...contact me at (757) 222-....
Looks like 'Tomorrowland'
Nice Pad.
But... Fuck the Zionist orchastrators and their slaves (EU & US plutocrats).
This just in:
"Hello. We are Anonymous Ukraine.
We’ve hacked e-mail account of Laurynas Jonavicius – the adviser to the President of Lithuania. We’ve downloaded all the e-mails that were sent to him and discovered letters from Vitali Klitschko.
The content of these letters shows how Western countries finance and control Vitali Klitschko through intermediary of Lithuanian government.
You can download these letters, they speak for themselves
http://www.mediafire.com/download/2jl25ef29c2laat/klitschko+letters.7z
http://www.filefactory.com/file/5znjeiuu980f/klitschko%20letters.7z
https://www.4shared.com/archive/86Iyyu0dce/klitschko_letters.html
http://www.sendspace.com/file/seivqh"
The files are in .eml format, you'll need an e-mail viewer software to be able to read them.
Talk about desperation. Even if the West did "control" Klitschko (through Lithuania - LOL) so what? That has nothing to do with Putin's boyfriend and his corrupt, authoritarian actions. The people of Ukraine have made a decision - one you obvioulsy oppose - but they should decide their own future (with Western conspiracy help of course). When do we hear that Yanukovych was (what else?) a CIA plant?
Shill alert.
He's just emotional, a few posts higher up the thread (s)he mentions talking to relatives in Ukraine who were celebrating. Probably a Kozak coming from west of Dnieper. :)
Yes, of course, a paid shill would never make up stories about celebrating relatives, because that would be dishonest, and dishonesty is wrong.
Not disregarding that probability; just going along Occam's razor a propos his alias.
Forget being a shill, he's a damn retard.
When have the actions the US Congress ever represented the will of the People?
Perhaps as often as the actions of the Ukrainian Parliament have actually represented the will of the People?
"Throw the bum out" is a fairly universal sentiment, it's the quality of the replacement part that inevitably defies the will of the People. Who is the Ukranian Parliament (which on questionable legal footing right now) actually considering as a replacement- one of the 3 CIA/Soros stooges or the Cunt who sold her Countrymen to Gazprom? That version of pick your poison sounds almost as appetizing as Bozo or Mittens.
BRING BACK THE CAPTCHA!
Mossad
Obama wouldn't steal America's gold.
It's already done been stolen, and sent to the largest shareholders of the NY Fed.
Which is why we can't have nice things.
What if a world war started and no one noticed?
A World War has started and very few have noticed; and it's NOT the war on terrorism that started on 9/11.
It's a war that is very seldom ever reported in the news media.
I WANT T BE PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE
Pirates own Pirate Ships - i thought that was how they got around - why is this news?
say you know, no matter your view of this clusterfuck...
http://rt.com/on-air/
you gotta admit, the lack of car bombings and beheadings is a welcome change of pace.
No shit
As opposed the the methodical snipping of protesters.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kg9fjOfPZyE <-contains the methodical snipping of Ukrain protesters, you have been warned.
As opposed the the methodical snipping of protesters.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kg9fjOfPZyE <-contains the methodical snipping of Ukrain protesters, you have been warned.
All by Soros-funded protesters using Israeli sniper rifles.
Right. A sniper is a different thing than someone who blows up a van full of explosives.
And it is by no means clear who the snipers are. It is entirely possible that they are not the Ukrainian authorities, but CIA or Mossad, turning up the heat. CIA probably in this case.
They've certainly done so before.
The top comment on your link is by a guy praising the snipers named "god bless adolph hitler" and making wildly, nakedly anti-Jewish comments.
Come.... come on, dude.
Too bad he escaped with his life.
Indeed. Yanukovitch was a real tyrant.
You know someone is bad-ass when he has his own Peacocks.
Mr Miffed's family used to raise peacocks for rich people like this. Whenever I drove to his house for dinner in the winter, I'd come out to my car covered in shit ( they liked the hood of a warm car to warm up on). They could drop it like Great Danes. It would be frozen in gigantic masses and I couldn't scrap it off fearing I remove the paint as well. So I had to drive around for days with a shit hood ornament. I hated those damn birds. Then, one day, they invited me out for a special dinner. I commented the turkey had unusually long drumsticks. Everyone smiled but said nothing. Years later mr miffed informed me I hadn't eaten turkey that day.
Miffed;-)
and i bet mr miffed celebrated the day he became mr muffed...
has his own Peacocks
Any word if he drove a Volvo? It's just been my experience.....just sayin.
It's no big deal..I have Peacocks(and peacunts)roaming my little hobby-farm.Forty bucks/chick from any reputable hatchery.
The night is still young!
he had 30 days to sell out ! and this is what he could not sell
Soon to be repatriated with the "people of Ukraine"...
Honest!
Vicky and John told me.
Pufffft.
Any regional Obamacare facilitators daughter's webmaster boyfriend could top that.
Clearly, just another wonderful public servant, only interested in bringing his country's prosperity...
...to his basement ;-)
Ruling has always been about transferring wealth.
Anybody think that the alpha-male starved to death so that the underlings could survive?
So what's wrong with being an Alpha Male?
http://cigardave.com/
DaddyO
I propose a new strategy: Wait outside Jamie's house until he leaves.
Doesn't hold a candle to Barry's graft and corruption. What does the US spend on our king's perks each year (day!).
Grifters Barry and Moochelle spend untold millions on their vacations and what not. I always wonder why The Mainstream Media nevers points this out, we should all be outraged.
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Yet you cheerfully believe the Mainstream Media when they instruct you that Yanukovych is a "tyrant" and that the victory of the "protesters" is something celebrated by "the people". Why is that?
The reason that the Mainstream Media never point out the untold millions spent on the marionette-in-chief's vacations is the same reason the Mainstream Media aren't calling what happened in the Ukraine the overthrow of its democratically elected government.
Sickening
Not paper "money"? Where's the US dollars..?
Where is his bitcoin stash?
Imagine what can be found in Barosso's compound.
Or Van Rumpoy's.
No doubt the next guy will never do anything like this. Never ...
You will never find out.
The idiot masses will never bite the hand that feeds them. They'll never do anything about the government monopoly on violence that enables the Yanukovyches, Obamas, Dimons, Bushes, Barrosos, or various Russian oligarchs to amass their loot.
Instead, they'll demand that "democracy" replace this band of thugs.......with another.
lots of TRADITION there....