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Obama Asks Court To Make NSA Database Even Bigger

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When a hypertotalitarian banana republic takes another turn for the gigasurreal, even Elon Musk is speechless.

In the most glaring example of how farcical idiocy has become the new normal, we will remind readers (especially those who do not follow us on twitter), of the following blurb from last night:

Sure enough, this attempt at comedy has just failed once more, as less than 24 hours later, it describes an increasingly surreal reality. Just out from the WSJ:

The Obama administration has asked a special court for approval to hold onto National Security Agency phone records for a longer period–an unintended consequence of lawsuits seeking to stop the phone-surveillance program.

 

The Wall Street Journal reported last week that the Justice Department was considering such a move, which would end up expanding the controversial phone records database by not deleting older call records.

 

Under the current system, the database is purged of phone records more than five years old. The Justice Department, in a filing made public Wednesday, said it needs to hold onto the older records as evidence in lawsuits brought by the American Civil Liberties Union, Electronic Frontier Foundation, and others.

 

Under the proposal made to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, the older data would continue to be held, but NSA analysts would not be allowed to search it.

The gruesome irony of course is that after his so heartfelt, if completely scripted and rehearsed, appearance before the US public one month ago, when Obama promised he would do everything in his power to reform the NSA, including the ending of the Section 215 metadata collection, and the retenion of bulk phone records, the president certainly kept his promise. Just not quite in the way that everyone had assumed.

 

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Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:45 | 4482744 DaddyO
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So in 3 weeks and 2 days you've been able to pigeonhole everybody and isolate the groupthink?

Wow, I've been here a tad longer and get surprised everytime I think I have everyone figured out.

My suggestion is to start posting everyone's comment links that fall into this "groupthink" category so we can all become as enlightened as you seem to be, judging from your self appraisal.

DaddyO

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:03 | 4482834 jmp esp
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It's not difficult when everyone spews the same mantras, jumps to the same conclusions, etc. See any post where I am accused of being an Obama supporter, a leftist, etc. A lot of people here are outright McCarthyists.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:31 | 4482956 DaddyO
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Actually, the onus is on you to prove your point, not us.

You have been painting with a pretty broad brush and will continue to get hammered until you can conclusively prove you positions.

Calling everyone McCarthyists is a perfect example, prove it!

DaddyO

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:45 | 4483012 jmp esp
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Sorry champ, the burden of proof is on the people making the extraordinary claim. In this case, the extraordinary claim would be that Obama is comparable to Hitler.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:11 | 4482203 lakecity55
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Hey, you have only been a member for like 3 weeks.

Are you one of those programmed sock puppets??

Quick, who won the 1944 world series?

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:14 | 4482219 jmp esp
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Yeah, I'm just a program. Some of the most difficult AI problems known to man have been solved, and the technology has been harnessed to post on ZH. Unfortunately, your cunning question has revealed me for what I am.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:26 | 4481602 ebworthen
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Yeah, he probably can't grow a mustache.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:35 | 4481670 rwe2late
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 You might want to ask about victims of his assassinations, tortures, military occupations and invasions.

As for his own war crimes and illegally shielding his predecessor from prosecution,

well I guess some might arguably find comparison in that.

Or maybe you are right, it's all ridiculous. No one harmed. No laws violated.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:37 | 4481678 jmp esp
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It's amazing that you managed to extract so much meaning from a one sentence post. Absolutely amazing.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:31 | 4482280 Tall Tom
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The information was extracted from the series of your posts.

 

I understand that you do not understand that the Democrats and Republicans represent the SAME INTERESTS.

 

For instance the Republicans actually SUPPORTED Oblathercare.

 

They may have said that they did not. They may have even voted against it and "tried" to repeal it.

 

But last October THEY VOTED TO FUND IT. Money talks and BULLSHIT WALKS. FINANCIAL SUPPORT IS SUPPORT.

 

So when you decide to support the Blue Team, or, support the Red Team, you can be assured that many commenters will be more than willing to SHRED YOU FOR THAT NONSENSE.

 

Red Team/Blue Team nonsense just serves as a Division Tactic by the Powers that Be. It is an ILLUSION and actually a very poor illusion.

 

Welcome to Fight Club BITCH.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:39 | 4482310 jmp esp
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Thanks for the disjointed, inaccurate rant. Where exactly did I espouse support for any American politican? Even the beloved Dr. Ron Paul would flip the second he attained any meaningful position. Feel free to browse my post history to find that I do actually understand that the differences between teams red and blue are superficial. It's you, your'e the stupid bitch.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 19:10 | 4482419 Tall Tom
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Ron Paul was very consistent in his political philosophy.

 

Actually I am pleased that he did not win as he would have been assassinated.

 

If you understand that there is difference "are superficial" between the two parties then why do you care so much when OBAMATM gets trashed??? (Your Blue Team Slip is showing...)

 

Your hypocrisy was exposed when you were so eager to point out that Bush II was the set up for OBAMATM.. That was actually a good bait to which you responded and EXPOSED YOUR ATTITUDE.

Spastica Rex wrote, "Was Bush II also worse than Hitler for the same reason? Which president represents the demarcation line between worse than/not worse than Hitler?"

 

Remember that post? That was BAIT.

 

You replied, "Cast from the same mold. Bush II's presidency was the framework for Obama's."

 

See the HYPOCRISY???

 

So do you enjoy your Down Arrows?

 

Welcome to Fight Club BITCH.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 19:12 | 4482444 jmp esp
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I have absolutely no problems trashing Obama, my qualm is with contentless crap taking the place of what could have been a thoughtful critique. Perhaps you people are perfectly content in your echo chamber, self congratulating each other with glorious up arrows, and targeting those you disagree with with down arrows. At the end of the day, those are just integers in some database, and you've done nothing to actually awaken the people you clame to sympathize with.

 

Welcome to Circle Jerk Club, BITCH.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:36 | 4481674 jmp esp
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Wowzers, look at all those downvotes from purveyors of argumentum ad hitlerum. Look, I loath the guy too, but you could tansmogrify him into the most nordic looking mortherfucker, send him back in time to replace Hitler, and he still wouldn't be the enemy Hitler was. So please, stop this idiocy.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:52 | 4481764 rwe2late
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No one is claiming he is identical to Hitler.

But the logical inference when you claim any comparison is "ridiculous",

is that nothing O has done or is doing bears any (even the slightest) comparison to H.

 

Your own arguable assertion that O is less (dangerous?) an enemy now than H was then

is a comparison of your own, which contradicts your claim that any comparison is ridiculous.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:56 | 4481791 jmp esp
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People constantly compare him to Hitler in utterly juvenile ways. For example, look at the image that spawned this conversation. The comparisons are usually shallow, and similar can generally be made between any two unpopular leaders. It contributes absolutely nothing to the conversation, and makes one look historically ignorant.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:01 | 4481837 NotApplicable
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Thing is, Hitler was merely a Wall St. puppet as well. The only thing that makes him appear to be even more evil, was that he was so good at divide and conquer.

Besides, it didn't take much effort after the Treaty of Versailles and it's "reparations."

I strongly suggest you read this book, and you'll discover the common thread.

Conjuring Hitler.

http://www.amazon.com/Conjuring-Hitler-Guido-Giacomo-Preparata/dp/074532...

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:11 | 4481919 jmp esp
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I haven't read the book you linked to, but it sounds a tad conspiratorial. Not that I'm necessarily opposed to such things, it just looks a bit fringe. Look, I know hitler was a demagogic figured head, and monied interests were pulling his strings. However, I've never read anything that claimed it the financial sector behind all of it. And even if they did play a part, I have a hard time believing it's comparable to what is occuring today.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:29 | 4482011 MichiganMilitiaMan
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The German people, and many Americans and Brits, at the time, were naive and did not believe what was happening then EITHER, until the continent of Europe began to implode.

Hitler designing a plan to take over Europe and kill millions of Jews.  Sounds like a conspiracy to me.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:44 | 4482089 jmp esp
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I'm pretty fucking skeptical and harbor some outlandish beliefs, so I'm all ears. Do you actually have evidence that something comparable is going to occur? Don't get me wrong, people are working, but they only seem to care about starting faux-wars in underdeveloped countries that lead to occupations, which fuel the MIC. I predict we'll slowly fade away with a wimper as our relevance dissapates, rather than anything explosive.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:39 | 4482309 Tall Tom
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Do an Internet Search on the Georgia Guidestones and UN Agenda 21.

 

Are you certain that you want to take the Red Pill? Once you do then there is no turning back. It will profoundly change you for as long as you live. 

 

The Rabbit Hole goes pretty deep. It is filled with illusions and Logical Fallacies which will blow your mind at times. But you will find the truth there. Boy will you find truth. It is pretty ugly at times.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:46 | 4482340 jmp esp
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I'm aware of both, and Obama had absolutely nothing to do with either. Make no mistake, I'm fully aware a ruling class is working behind the curtains to pull the strings of our elected, ahem, "leaders". However, they are not as ideologically consistent, nor are they as competent, as you make them out to be. Destructive and dangerous? Yes. Omniscient and omnipotent purveyors of an unstoppable new world order? Hardly. Their plans are as brittle as the nations they're built upon.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 19:37 | 4482530 Oldwood
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YOU are correct in stating that Obama does not compare to Hitler. I mean its really not a fair comparison as Obama isn't done yet. Its like taking someone's test away from them before they finish and claiming they failed. Give Obama a chance here. He still has three years left, and no claimed election facing him (yet). Lets just all agree he has POTENTIAL!

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 19:43 | 4482552 jmp esp
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Sure, I'll agree to that. If I'm wrong, I'll eat my words. You won't know I'm doing so because I'll be unplugged and long gone, but rest assured I will. That said, I'm fully expecting that we'll continue the same, grueling deathmarch we've been on for so long.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 19:44 | 4482554 Tall Tom
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He has exceeded that evil of Hitler. I respectfully disagree.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 19:45 | 4482550 Tall Tom
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I'm aware of both, and Obama had absolutely nothing to do with either.

 

Really? Just what is he doing in regards to this? Is he directing FEMA and DHS to purchase Ammunition? Does he have something to do with it now?

 

Make no mistake, I'm fully aware a ruling class is working behind the curtains to pull the strings of our elected, ahem, "leaders".

 

You are aware that there is a class as this? Tell me then who these people are.

 

However, they are not as ideologically consistent, nor are they as competent, as you make them out to be.

 

How am I making them ANYTHING? They are making themselves out to be very competent as they have engineered a destruction of the United Staes Economy.

 

Do you think that NAFTA was a good deal for the American? Do you think that offshoring our productive capabilities was a good idea? How about the destruction of the value of Currency? Do you think that the Federal Reserves Monetary Policies and the Government's Fiscal Policies are effective in the destruction of the people in the Corporate Nation?

 

AS for ideological consistency they have demonstrated that consistency with the continuance of destructive policies for as long as I can remember.

 

It began with Paul Volcker decoupling Gold from the Dollar back in August, 1971, under the Arthur Burns tenure as the Head of the Federal Reserve Bank. Everything has been degenerating since that time. Paul Volcker became the Head in 1979 and set the policy to ensure that the USA would rack up debt to finance the Deficit Spending rather than to set policy to reign in Currency Destruction.

 

Destructive and dangerous? Yes. Omniscient and omnipotent purveyors of an unstoppable new world order? Hardly. Their plans are as brittle as the nations they're built upon.

 

No. I do not give them omniscient and omnipotent power. I reserve that for God Almighty along with Omnipresence. That is where I place my faith.

 

But they might succeed as the Population remains fattened and lethargic...asleep to the ever increasing present dangers.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 19:57 | 4482595 jmp esp
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Do you have any evidence Obama is behind this stuff, or are you just trying to fill in the gaps? If it's the latter, present your claims as what they are if you hope to maintain any degree of intellectual honesty. Regarding FEMA, DHS, et al, how much of that do you directly attribute to Obama, versus his handlers?

Of course I don't have a concrete answer as to who the ruling class is; every class is in a state of flux to some degree, and they don't want to be known. But if I had to predict, I would say it is some cross-section of the economic, military, and intelligence elite. Given recent revelations regarding the capabilities of the NSA, I'd also predict that power is shifting toward the intelligence agencies. After all, they have access to virtuall ally electronic communication. Imagine what that grants them--the control they could wield over our political, economic, and other leaders. If they don't already constitute a shadow government, I'd expect them to soon. I hope I'm wrong.

No, I dont' think NAFTA is good. Same with offshoring. In fact, I'm directly affected by that. I'm just going to stop there though, because there's no point in deviating further to enumerate my personal beliefs at such a degree of granularity. It's glaringly obvious that my personal beliefs aren't going to ding the groupthink here.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:06 | 4481877 maskone909
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i think you are just tierd of people comparing others to hitler

much to the avail of the choosen ones using it to exploit and lable others for their personal gain.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 19:20 | 4482472 jmp esp
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You managed to grasp what most of ZH missed, congratulations. It got old during the Bush II years.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:53 | 4481772 gjp
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The comparison isn't a good one, obviously.  Obama is much slicker, less obviously racist in rehtoric or actions (though he shows little concern for the lives of foreigners), not the wild demagogue that Hitler was.  But these are different times.  And he is using miliatry hegemony to bomb and spy on whomever he considers an enemy without due process and dollar hegemony to reward his corporate/financial friends, damn the consequences.  While he may not have the blood directly on his hands that Hitler had, the scale and impact of perpetuating and growing the crimes of the anglo-saxon empire may be more damaging when the bodies are finally counted.

And he should know better.  Hitler wasn't that smart.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:58 | 4481806 jmp esp
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This is much, much more agreeable.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:48 | 4482356 Tall Tom
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Obama is much worse than Hitler. By hiding the monster that he is OBAMA works his genocidal evil by stealth.

 

Hitler tried that by having the Concentration Camps located outside of Germany. But then his territorial gains were ceded to the advancing Red Army and exposing Hitler as the war criminal which he was. He was able to maintain his domestic power through stealth to his people. (They loved him.)

 

Obama is using the same tactics that the Nazis did under stealth. I disagree that Obama is not racist because he plays the race card to his advantage. (Trayvon Martin was a good example.)

 

While George W. Bush was evil in that he created camps and subverted due process, Obama has trumped George W. by killing American Citizens without due process. He continued the Bush policies and added many of his own that are far more damaging.

 

THERE ARE NO POLITICAL SOLUTIONS.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 22:09 | 4483083 cheetahbaby
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He is a disciple of Antonio Gramsci....

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:23 | 4481989 usednabused
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Ha, can you really be serious? No blood on his hands? Smarter than Hitler? I'd say Assbama has very bloody hands. And is big mouth that oes on and on saying one thing while his actions do the opposite do not mean he is intelligent in the least. Pathological probably, but not intelligent, not at all.

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 11:03 | 4484282 rwe2late
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gjp

 O only seems more "smart" because with hindsight, the mind-set prejudices and mistakes of H appear more glaring.

For example, the world then accepted racist beliefs much more openly than now.

The USA, remember, was an apartheid nation at the time.

Arguably, the hubris, militarism, and 'exceptionalist' beliefs of O only seem more rationale

and less extremist because of current popular prejudices and nativism.

Comparing the growing police state and militarism of today

with the rise of past totalitarian regimes is, I believe, a valid exercise.

Comparing present leaders with past ones is also valid,

and may be instructive whether the fit is exact in all ways or not.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:32 | 4482038 AGuy
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"but you could tansmogrify him into the most nordic looking mortherfucker, send him back in time to replace Hitler, and he still wouldn't be the enemy Hitler was"

0xFFE4,

You don't know that. If Barry starts WW3 than it would be a close call. He nearly started it with with Syria, now he might try again over the Ukraine. If Barry does start WW3 he will kill ten times the amount of people than Hilter and Stalin did, and he will do it in less than a week!

Barry is cut from the same mold as the other megalomaniacs. The only thing is preventing him from rounding up Liberations and putting them in worker camps is that he hasn't been able to seize dictatorship yet. Consider the Stolen Nukes from Dyess AFB in Texas last September in Prep for a Nuclear false flag. This would become Barry's Reichstag to sieze dictatorship.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:52 | 4482129 jmp esp
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A lot of leaders would turn into despots without hesitation, provided the opportunity. Even so, I think Barry lacks the attributes necessary to do so effectively. He has already lost popular support, and the American populace has been push to their limit by the "wars" we've already fought.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 19:43 | 4482551 Oldwood
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Yes, this now delineates the dangerous stage. Now that he has substantially lost the popular support he once had, he is now free to be much more blatant, which we are now seeing with things like his proclamation that he would bypass congress to pursue his agenda. He no longer has the baggage of public approval. Only his koolaide drinking sycophants remain, and they will love him no matter what. Just stand back and watch. This is something that not every generation gets to see real time and in their face.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:14 | 4482642 jmp esp
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Hitler rode the crest of popular support to his position of power, and retained it well into his career as a totalitarian. As I've said previously, Obama has largely lost popular support, and now spends his time waffling about the botched healthcare rollout and various geopolitical events. He certainly has time to come completely unhinged, but I'm not expecting it. Rather, I'm expecting more soul crushing mediocrity.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:50 | 4482099 williambanzai7
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I have a suggestion for you. Go back to the period and do all the necessary reading. If you have no clue, let me know and I will provide a suitable starting list.

Then come back and let us know if you think it is ok to ignore constitutional incursions  based upon exceptions determined by the self proclaimed "sovereign," all in the name of some greater good of the homeland. Then determine where that all ultimately ends up.

Finally, go and interview living survivors of WWII totalitarianism, such as both of my parents and let me know if anyone says it is OK to look the other way when this kind of tyranical behavior manifests itself.

If you don't reach the same conclusion most of us have, then click your heals together and report to FEMA Kampf.

You make the preferred mainstream mistake of pointing to the haulocaust and other human obscenities committed, without first taking the time to reflect on the conditions and traits of malgoverance, including leadership, that lead to it.

Like the blind cadres of "politically correct" you think it is politically incorrect to engage in uncomfortable comparisons to Hitler and other villains of history.

Big big mistake. Another frog in the FEMA Kampf Blender.

Wake up, unless of course you are merely one of them.
 
Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:58 | 4482154 jmp esp
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Nice strawman. Now run along with your shallow, useless comparisons.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:06 | 4482170 williambanzai7
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Moron, just concede and crawl back to Booz Allen HQ.

Whoops, I forgot, you are already there.

"We are in danger of forgetting that the Bill of Rights reflects experience with police excesses. It is not only under Nazi rule that police excesses are inimical to freedom. It is easy to make light of insistence on scrupulous regard for the safeguards of civil liberties when invoked on behalf of the unworthy. It is too easy. History bears testimony that by such disregard are the rights of liberty extinguished, heedlessly at first, then stealthily, and brazenly in the end." --Justice Felix Frankfurter

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:07 | 4482188 williambanzai7
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Only the mob and the elite can be attracted by the momentum of totalitarianism itself. The masses have to be won by propaganda.

Hannah Arendt.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:11 | 4482209 jmp esp
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The Intel spoof really vaults that one into the territory of the abhorrently bad. Is it insinuating that Intel is somehow associated with the NSA? Did the creator of this image simply think they were clever, without taking the time to understand what he/she was mocking? Please, just stop.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:18 | 4482225 williambanzai7
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It says NSA inside moron. Your performance reveals that you are shallower than I originally thought. 

In any event a similar version of that logo parody was subsequently displayed on your home turf: HuffPo.

Send our best regards to Clapper.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:22 | 4482253 jmp esp
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HuffPo is fucking stupid, that spoof is fucking stupid, and you're fucking stupid.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:25 | 4482262 williambanzai7
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I rest my case, in this particular instance.

Igonore this moron folks.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:28 | 4482269 jmp esp
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Are you some sort of self fashioned leader that passes on directives to other commenters? Get over yourself you fucking tool.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:36 | 4482296 Ralph Spoilsport
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This is one danger of letting your steamboat mouth overload your rowboat ass before you get the lay of the land first. William Bonzai 7 is not just a regular poster here. Dope.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:48 | 4482352 jmp esp
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If that's the case, this place isn't as good as I thought.

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 16:16 | 4486031 it aint paranoi...
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Then leave.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 19:14 | 4482429 williambanzai7
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You obviously got nothing better to do now than hurling insults around.

You also claim you like to read posts on this site. Yet you have been absent in all the numerous discussions spanning back to 2010 concerning the analogy to Nazism, totalitarianism, fascism, corporatism, inverted totalitarianism, etc etc.

You seem to think someone just came up with the idea of drawing Hitler mustaches overnight.

You really are an inept tool. Report back for further programming.

And you are right, your opinion isn't worth a dime.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 19:19 | 4482465 jmp esp
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Are poorly concocted photoshops supposed to stimulate meaningful conversation? Do you think they are specific to ZH, or something? People were plastering pictures of NAZI BUSH everywhere during his presidency (which was also awful), and it was just as tiresome then. Find something new to latch onto.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 19:29 | 4482505 williambanzai7
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I am old enough to remember that a Presidential candidate named McGovern was castigated by the right for accusing Richard Nixon of behaving like a Nazi at home and by bombing Indochina. I agreed with his assessment at the time.

I also remember how many liberal democrats jumped to his defense for making such a comparison.

Unfortunately there are too many smart idiots such as yourself, who think history does not rhyme.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 19:33 | 4482515 jmp esp
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Are you really going to appeal to age now? Really? Take a moment to think about this: I'm one of the only individuals in a forums of self professed individualists who is actually challenging the collectivist groupthink spell you've fallen under. You people have difficulty doing anything beyond making wild, baseless accusations (e.g. I think history doesn't repeat), and it's disheartening to be honest.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:28 | 4482691 AGuy
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"I'm one of the only individuals in a forums of self professed individualists who is actually challenging..."

I detect  narcissism,

"You people have difficulty doing anything beyond making wild, baseless accusations"

and Hubris!

"collectivist groupthink spell you've fallen under."

William7 is anything but groupthink. Granted his art is over the top, but its his way of expressing his anger and disapproval. We often see Political cartoons exaggerate to get there message across. The reason why there was a Hitler is that nobody pointed out how dangerous he was before he seized control. Perhaps if we had more people like William7 in the 1930's, making these types of portraits of Hilter and Stalin, we might have avoided  WW2! Lastly, Nothing William7 does causes people to lose there jobs, benefits, tortured or imprisoned, I can't say the same about our politicians I rather see a million people like William7 making these post then have to see another Barry in office!

 

 

 

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:34 | 4482710 jmp esp
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I am a bit of a narcissist, but so are most of the other people around here, this William7 fellow included. And you're a bit off--plenty of people saw what was coming in Germany. Many ran, and those who stayed to oppose were largely exterminated. Perhaps the mass as a whole didn't see what was coming (or maybe they didn't care), but don't be so quick to make absolute claims.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:56 | 4482793 UselessEater
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Not agreeing with you does not make me a victum of group think, I like to read everyone's views here and challenge my own views which I build on reading many books/articles/etc....the Hitler analogy is illustrative and emotive, if it bugs you that's fine just get on sharing your views and thoughts and don't spit the dummy when others disagree with some of your comments.......

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:07 | 4482851 jmp esp
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You're mistaken; it was ZH that was intolerant of my dissenting opinion. Sure, I was tactless, but that doesn't excuse the witchunt that followed. I'm not going to sit by silently as dullards pile on the poorly written, presumption laden criticism. No, quite the contrary. I'm here to challenge you people.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 22:18 | 4483114 Ralph Spoilsport
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You haven't seen a ZH witch hunt yet precious. You're not up to it. And we don't need any challenges from chumps either.

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 00:16 | 4483439 Thought Processor
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Williambanzai- Nice.   Very Nice.

I'm just going to +1 all your posts here.   

 

Don't let the Shillbots get to you though, they are paid to run posters here around in circles.  

We should start a Shillist cause this thread has brought 'em out of the woodwork.

 

We must be doing something right.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:08 | 4482193 jmp esp
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I'm not an Obama shill like you think. In fact, I hate the guy, and we are in agreeance that he has committed several crimes. There is nothing to concede here, really. I was merely pointing out that extreme, nonsensical comparisons are useless outside of collecting upvotes in your little echo chamber.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:20 | 4482240 williambanzai7
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Goof cop, jackass cop. Too late to change tactics.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:28 | 4482264 jmp esp
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Divide and conquer in action, folks. Please, reread all of my posts, then contemplate the consistenty the flew miles above your head.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:30 | 4482276 williambanzai7
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Sorry, we are now all up here on the troll high road.

Hope not to see you soon. 

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:49 | 4482360 jmp esp
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If the high road involves worn out comparisons to historical figures, I'd rather remain planted where I am.

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 01:02 | 4483519 williambanzai7
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Keep jabbering, it demonstrates how people such as yourself are where the problem begins.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 19:04 | 4482406 HoleInTheDonut
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Fuck, jmp esp!  You have no idea who WB7 is. You're going to have a real hard time hanging around here if you can't handle the Hitler-bama art.  Wait until you see Bernanke with dollars coming out his ass, now that's disturbing.

But please don't go, at least for Fonestar's sake.  You make a much better down-vote lightning rod.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 19:08 | 4482432 jmp esp
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As far as I'm concerned, he's another bland internet persona with a penchant for abysmal posts. And I have no qualms with such Bernanke pictures, they're apt.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:36 | 4482972 DaddyO
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Another example of broad brush strokes there skippy.

Even a cursory look into WilliamBanzai7 will reveal that no one is sacred with him, no matter their political stripe, his treatment of his subject matter is without peer and reproach.

For you to make the comments you do is to reveal that your ignorance is exceeded only by your arrogance.

DaddyO

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:04 | 4482178 shovelhead
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Maybe Hitler in '37-8?

Let's see what happens in Ukraine...

He might jump a year or two.

The Euro-Anchluss may be coming.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:38 | 4482302 bunnyswanson
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Intimidation is oppression

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdMAJOoDUU8

Naomi Wolf - The End of America (lecture)

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 00:22 | 4483454 Thought Processor
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I used to think Naomi was a sensationalist with all of what she was saying.   Turns out she was ahead of the curve and stuck her neck out and told what she thought to those that would listen.

That takes balls (for lack of a better word).

And she's got em.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:50 | 4481759 autofixer
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That's what my Obamaocare Navigator friend says all of the time!

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:03 | 4481851 Bastiat
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You're right--at least Hitler cared about his country.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:48 | 4482109 Panem et Circus
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How so?

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:44 | 4482087 drendebe10
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Heil Scheisskopf!!!

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:58 | 4482156 WillyGroper
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You're right!

He's worse!

No comparison.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:45 | 4482342 medium giraffe
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"Comparing Obama to Hitler is ridiculous."

 

I know, right?  He doesn't even preside over a concentration camp, or sanctioned torture, or even a secret police force. 

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 22:06 | 4483064 Rakshas
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Put this up on the fuckers teleprompter......

"The aim for which we (were )  are  fighting the war (was) is the loftiest, most overpowering that man can conceive:it (was)  is the freedom and independence of our nation."   

.......... it would sound perfectly natural spewing from that asswad mouth of his

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:08 | 4481511 alien-IQ
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HD porn takes up a lot of hard drive space...

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:08 | 4481512 stant
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The line not to cross is now the beltway around dc

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:17 | 4481558 thamnosma
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That needs to be applied both on ingress and egress

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:10 | 4481517 williambanzai7
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Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:59 | 4481813 Freddie
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I almost pissed in my pants over that one. 

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:05 | 4481876 MichiganMilitiaMan
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Way to double down WilliamBanzai7!!!

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:24 | 4481987 MsCreant
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Remember: History deletes itself!  LMAO for so many reasons.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:39 | 4482263 williambanzai7
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I thought that was cute, but true if we let the idiots such as the one exemplified above have their way  ;-)

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:48 | 4482351 WillyGroper
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PO Box 9-11

 

LOL

 

Genius!

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:50 | 4482365 williambanzai7
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j

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:10 | 4481518 Joebloinvestor
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Simple formula now.

Whatever he says he means the opposite.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:13 | 4481532 ArkansasAngie
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So ... he and the squid are one and the same

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:23 | 4481587 kchrisc
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Isn't that the "Univesral Law of Pols and Crats?!"

Can also be stated as, "It's true unless you check it."

 

"A pol's last lie will always be, 'Your going to regret this."

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:56 | 4482385 jmp esp
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What a farce.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:14 | 4481535 insanelysane
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The NSA has storage for all of the data they are collecting.  They need additional storage for all of the data they plan on fabricating to keep this ship wreck afloat.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:17 | 4481550 Colonel Klink
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All heil King Obama and the secret Star courts!!!

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:02 | 4482173 lakecity55
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"Bath House asks Courts for permission to carpet bomb America with Nerve Gas."

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:17 | 4481557 highly debtful
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Question: did your president even ever bother to read your constitution or is that still one of the to do's in the top left drawer of his desk at the Oval Office?  

 

 

 

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:20 | 4481574 Colonel Klink
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The Constitution is what Obama kneels on while blowing the monied elite.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:40 | 4481699 Al Huxley
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Nice, great imagery, although I doubt he literally kneels on it when he's blowing them.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:43 | 4481716 Colonel Klink
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Well I'm sure it's not the actual one.  It's a screen print on a towel so he has something to wipe his chin with afterwards.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:17 | 4481560 LawsofPhysics
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Obama studied the constitution, apparently so he could throw it all out.

 

motherfucker.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:23 | 4481589 youngman
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If you think Obama studied in College you are nuts...he passed because of his color...afirmative action baby....and had many doors opened for him because of the same...

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:10 | 4481911 Bastiat
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HIs whole life was "sponsored" and I'm sure Columbia and Harvard go some nice donations.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:50 | 4482119 Panem et Circus
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I disagree. This guy is smart, everything he does is for a reason and he's got a malicious intent. You don't graduate Harvard Law without a few courses in "how to screw everyone out of everything and feel good about it afterwards 101".

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 19:32 | 4482512 williambanzai7
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With Sunstein as a mentor what do you expect.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:18 | 4481565 auntiesocial
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HOPE. CHANGE. so if someone starts saying this in 2016...

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:20 | 4481573 the grateful un...
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he decided on this option, to see what's in it

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:24 | 4481596 johnQpublic
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you gotta collect this data to see whats in it

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:22 | 4481583 BigSkyBear
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Sing along with me kids!!

"It all makes sense inside the fence!"

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:24 | 4481597 Colonel Klink
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Add another one "Well give your thinking a revamp when you're sent to the FEMA camp".

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:23 | 4481586 Ralph Spoilsport
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Drudge currently has this ZH article as the headline.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:30 | 4482027 tickhound
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Drudgies could use the de-tox.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:23 | 4481590 ebworthen
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Every time I see that picture of Obama gesticulating with his hands like that I hear thunderous shouts of "Zeig Heil" and see Hitler.

Never fails, every single time.

It can happen here.

It is happening.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:33 | 4481651 Miffed Microbio...
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Same for me Eb, but I laugh each time when I get the image as well. This pathetic pipsqueak ain't no Hitler by a long shot. He is not charismatic. He has no demonic oration skill. A sad pic is all he has and I'm sure Hitler would be legitimately angered by the comparison.

Miffed;-)

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:16 | 4481944 Skateboarder
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The word you are looking for is "weenie."

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:22 | 4481973 DaddyO
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"Weenie" gets close but still doesn't fully embody Obummer...

Piss Ant starts to get closer but I'm sure there are still better choices.

Anyone?

DaddyO

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:54 | 4482143 Panem et Circus
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You discount the power of the teleprompter and the acting classes. When he is off-the-cuff he's a weenie (girl's bicycle with helmet pic), when he is on his prompter at a campaign rally he had thousands show up and swoon.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 23:07 | 4483271 superflex
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He's a bitch

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:20 | 4481964 Freddie
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Hitler was another bankster nightmare creation but at least he did not need a teleprompter.   Obama's speeches are about as hateful and filled with the same demonization of enemies rhetoric.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:25 | 4482671 jmp esp
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This acceptance of this post by the ZH community says a lot about it. I said essentially the same thing (admittedly, in a more crude manner) and I got dog piled. Very telling.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:24 | 4481991 eddiebe
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just for future reference, it's actually 'Sieg heil'.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:03 | 4482831 lakecity55
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I like

 

 

Duce!

Duce!

Duce!

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:24 | 4481595 the not so migh...
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a bigger database won't stop whats going to happen mr o

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:27 | 4481608 Miffed Microbio...
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Well, I'm just tingly all over! May be this is a glimmer of what finally feeling safe is like. I think I'll ask for an extra grope when I board the plane to go home tomorrow. If my cooperation catches just one terrorist it will be worth it.

Miffed;-)

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:41 | 4481702 Emergency Ward
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Here's hoping your TSA agent changes gloves before the cavity grope, MM.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:25 | 4482001 DaddyO
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Miffed, you're a wanton little thing now aren't you?

Does Mr. Miffed know of your proclivities?

Inquiring Minds Want to know...

I guess after a while it's just easier to give in and enjoy it, Liberty be damned!

DaddyO

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:56 | 4482146 Panem et Circus
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Just wait until the cavity searches become public.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:04 | 4482180 DaddyO
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Aren't they now public?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMQOy8S-xC4

DaddyO

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:02 | 4482825 lakecity55
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.....and displayed on a Jumbotron.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:05 | 4482181 Miffed Microbio...
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Why my dearest DaddyO,

Surely you must admit quivering shudders when approached by those rotund uniformed men and women of the NSA? Here is a group whose lust for domination over others can be physically manifest. Can you brag of such an achievement? And they can perform with numerous people on an hourly basis without taking a break. Shouldn't we marvel at their devotion to duty? Just imagining their exhaustive quest to penetrate all so fervently in the name of safety makes me proud to be a citizen of the Fatherland! The whole thing just gets me weak in the knees. Pardon me I think I may swoon.

I hope Mr is adequately distracted elsewhere or I may get a spanking of a lifetime. ;-)

Miffed;-)

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:28 | 4482272 DaddyO
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Made me laugh out loud!

The swooning part made a shiver run up my leg...

Are you sure you didn't write under the pen name of Xavier in a skin mag back in the day?

If not, you missed your calling!

If those little microbes ever get old, you could make a killing in the romance novel industry and never have to leave the kitchen table.

Be safe on the way back home, BTW!!

Spanking, groping, proclivities much? LOL

DaddyO

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 19:08 | 4482434 Miffed Microbio...
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Well, I am investigating alternative income streams if/when this shitbag goes down and I'm high and dry. You just can't spell titillation without the word tit. ;-)

Miffed;-)

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 19:51 | 4482579 DaddyO
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We're way passed "if", so when this barge runs aground, having a barter skill or alternate means of providing income is an absolute must.

Romance novel writing would be a good one.

During Depression 1.0, the ladies still wanted and bought lipstick and hair rollers etc. with their pin money.

That's why it's good idea to buy bobby pins, hair rollers and things in that vain to put back as barter items.

DaddyO

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:13 | 4482647 Miffed Microbio...
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My all time favorite " prepper" book is The Modern Survival Manual Surviving the Economic Collapse by Ferfal Aguirre. Profiles what he went through in Argentina when it all went down. Absolutely excellent pragmatic info. I have based my future on what he experienced and my view I'd be safe in the country was dead wrong. Without a cohesive fighting group or police protection country dwellers are picked off quickly. He covers it all. Crime, kidnapping, scams, shortages. Infrastructure problems, medical, how to defend yourself and family, how to survive riots, what to stock up. I highly recommend it. Finding alternative income is a big one. I guess Ill put a potential hatch mark by romance novel writer. Chances are microbiology will be quite worthless if we truly go down in a big way.

Miffed;-)

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:21 | 4482922 UselessEater
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Thanks for the info.....this guy Ferfal seems to know his stuff for real and provides experience vs PR blogs by people making dosh from situations they have not personally had survive.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:28 | 4481612 Jason T
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Well, Armstrong's been saying, once US economy turns down.. it's going to get ugly.  18 months away till his big turning point for US.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:31 | 4481627 Cornholiovanderbilt
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The drudge is going to link the sheeple and free shit army to the hedge now.  Gonna have to find a new place to play :-(

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:52 | 4481766 Van Halen
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"The drudge is going to link the sheeple and free shit army to the hedge now.  Gonna have to find a new place to play :-("

NO!! This is the opportunity to show people what is going on - not to sneer down on them for their ignorance. You want the people off zombies, sports, and Kardashians? Then show them reality. Drudge opened the door, now you let them in.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:28 | 4482014 Miffed Microbio...
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Agreed, I was desperate to find answers after turning off MSM. My search had been futile until a chance link off of drudge. Most won't get it or have the patience to learn. A few may find awakening. This is a wonderful opportunity and I say welcome to all who wish to walk down a interesting path.

Miffed;-)

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:36 | 4482054 DaddyO
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I can't remember how I found ZH, maybe through Alt-Mkt. But I can remember staying up half the night reading post after post and thinking to myself that I had finally found a place with some kindred souls willing to say what I was feeling inside.

I am a bit disturbed by the constant dirge of trolls who dilute the incredible ideas that get put forth. I used to really get up in their stuff, but have grown weary trying to bash their pea brains.

If Drudge is responsible for pointing a bunch of people to ZH and a few more become attuned to what is really going on, then so be it.

I say the more the merrier and I'll get my troll helmet on and prepare for battle.

DaddyO

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:58 | 4482397 WillyGroper
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I found ZH on the Grundian. ;)

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:18 | 4482231 Cornholiovanderbilt
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Good plan Miffed and Van Halen.  I would like to recount my previous statement and welcome all the drudgers to the fight club!  Enjoy waking up!!

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:59 | 4482809 lakecity55
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Make them confront the Red Pill.

We need an Army.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:31 | 4481628 OwnSilverPlayMusic
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Welcome Drudge Report readers.  Here's a healthy reminder for ya, the beast in DC is two headed.  Do yourself a favor and get off the red, blue, left, right reservation and THINK FOR YOURSELVES

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:31 | 4481634 ChargingHandle
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Yet the media complex will pump out different info that fits his narrative or lay out info that  is irrelevant. Punch the Bieber reel can be heard around stations everywhere. 

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:31 | 4481635 Cornholiovanderbilt
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WAKE THE FLOCK UP!!!!!!!!!!!

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:45 | 4481729 Kirk2NCC1701
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Last night "I had a dream".  All night long I dreamt of Zombies, everywhere. 

A dark Omen of things to come?

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:04 | 4481866 mademesmile
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That needs to be a t shirt. Along with kept calm for too long.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:33 | 4481647 Lendo
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I love how XH keeps using that picture of Obama.

Well done guys.  It makes me chuckle every time I see it.

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