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Obama Asks Court To Make NSA Database Even Bigger

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When a hypertotalitarian banana republic takes another turn for the gigasurreal, even Elon Musk is speechless.

In the most glaring example of how farcical idiocy has become the new normal, we will remind readers (especially those who do not follow us on twitter), of the following blurb from last night:

Sure enough, this attempt at comedy has just failed once more, as less than 24 hours later, it describes an increasingly surreal reality. Just out from the WSJ:

The Obama administration has asked a special court for approval to hold onto National Security Agency phone records for a longer period–an unintended consequence of lawsuits seeking to stop the phone-surveillance program.

 

The Wall Street Journal reported last week that the Justice Department was considering such a move, which would end up expanding the controversial phone records database by not deleting older call records.

 

Under the current system, the database is purged of phone records more than five years old. The Justice Department, in a filing made public Wednesday, said it needs to hold onto the older records as evidence in lawsuits brought by the American Civil Liberties Union, Electronic Frontier Foundation, and others.

 

Under the proposal made to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, the older data would continue to be held, but NSA analysts would not be allowed to search it.

The gruesome irony of course is that after his so heartfelt, if completely scripted and rehearsed, appearance before the US public one month ago, when Obama promised he would do everything in his power to reform the NSA, including the ending of the Section 215 metadata collection, and the retenion of bulk phone records, the president certainly kept his promise. Just not quite in the way that everyone had assumed.

 

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Wed, 02/26/2014 - 19:00 | 4482403 WillyGroper
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Carl "Shitty Deal" Levin is one of my personal fav's.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:58 | 4482801 lakecity55
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Yes! It is the one photo which shows his True Nature!

The fucking weasel.

He won't be happy until he carpet bombs the entire continent (while he is back home visiting Kenya).

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:33 | 4481657 new game
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tic toc...

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:37 | 4481680 skbull44
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Sometimes I think the consequences of Peak Oil, like grid collapse, can't come soon enough!

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:42 | 4481710 Chippewa Partners
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Did the Fuhrer use a teleprompter?

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:45 | 4481713 trader1
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off topic, but am I hallucinating or did the IMF just give a nod for wealth re-distribution?

A new paper by researchers at the International Monetary Fund appears to debunk a tenet of conservative economic ideology — that taxing the rich to give to the poor is bad for the economy.

 

The paper by IMF researchers Jonathan Ostry, Andrew Berg and Charalambos Tsangarides will be applauded by politicians and economists who regard high levels of income inequality as not only a moral stain on society but also economically unsound.

 

Labelled as the first study to incorporate recently compiled figures comparing pre- and post-tax data from a large number of countries, the authors say there is convincing evidence that lower net inequality is good economics, boosting growth and leading to longer-lasting periods of expansion.

 

In the most controversial finding, the study concludes that redistributing wealth, largely through taxation, doesnot significantly impact growth unless the intervention is extreme.

In fact, because redistributing wealth through taxation has the positive impact of reducing inequality, the overall affect on the economy is to boost growth, the researchers conclude.

 

"We find that higher inequality seems to lower growth. Redistribution, in contrast, has a tiny and statistically insignificant (slightly negative) effect," the paper states.

 

"This implies that, rather than a trade-off, the average result across the sample is a win-win situation, in which redistribution has an overall pro-growth affect."

 

While the paper is heavy on the economics, there is no mistaking the political implications in the findings.

 

which country's HNWIs and MNCs will get hit the most? 

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:04 | 4481867 NotApplicable
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Liquidation of the currently comfortable, non-club members is about to begin in earnest, it appears.

Divide and conquer. So easy, a criminal can do it.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:57 | 4482151 I Write Code
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I agree that in theory there is an interest in the level of equality/inequality.

I disagree that taxation is a good mechanism to accomplish it.  Politically it's ugly, and economically nearly impossible because the money runs and hides - or buys the political system.  So perhaps worst of all, it never happens.  It certainly doesn't work.

And of course just what level of (in)equality is allowed is another matter.  I'd like to be taller and younger, just regress me to the mean on both and I'm a winner, so do I go to tallerandyounger.gov and everything will be fixed?  I hope so.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:37 | 4482978 UselessEater
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from the IMF reports I've read global tax, global currency, global redistribution of wealth to 3rd world, global debt-adjustment via mysterious mechanisms that are difficult to challenge and quantify are the IMFs goals - their reports show diagrams of the journey to a global currency....I can't find the links right now but I searched via their website and the New American's older articles...... wanna have nightmares of zombies? spend a day finding and reading IMF shit from the last couple of years its as bad as UN Agenda 21 and the G20's collectivism goal for global growth that disregards the growth and preservation of the the middle class in the developed world so that 3rd world middle class consumers (not people) can be harvested by big business...

the IMF and its cohorts the UN, World Bank, WTO, BIS.....etc are relentless and apart from some internal squabbles seems to be singing off the same hymn sheet harmonising their voices more and more.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:43 | 4481715 Droid Fuel
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It has gone from scary to laughable to poop my pants scarry to unbelievable to angst to acceptance.  The majority of the people do not know what is coming.  I really hated the "poop my pants scarry" stage.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 22:32 | 4483156 cheetahbaby
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Just before you shite yourself, ya should farted, and then check for either liquid or lumps....

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:45 | 4481722 Mercuryquicksilver
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"needs to hold onto the older records as evidence in lawsuits brought by the American Civil Liberties Union, Electronic Frontier Foundation, and others."

 

Ummm, the data in question is evidence in a pending lawsuit. Would Tyler prefer evidence of illegal government activity be destroyed? Without the evidence, there is no lawsuit.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:08 | 4481888 earnyermoney
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No need to expand the data base. Keep the evidence but that means you'd have to stop collecting current data.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:44 | 4481726 Yen Cross
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      Supreme Court ruling expands police authority in home searches - latimes.com

   This shit is completely out of control. It's amost like these fuckers want a civil war, so the PTB can slip out the secret passage before they're suicided by the serfs.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:50 | 4481757 Ralph Spoilsport
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That's the story I want to see, which is how the SCOTUS has been systematically corrupted over the years and how do we get rid of them.

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 09:04 | 4482036 Tale2cities
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Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:13 | 4482215 shovelhead
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Perfectly legal.

"The dog let us in."

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 19:05 | 4482423 WillyGroper
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Think it has anything to do with the grafitti in Atherton, that says "Fuck the 1%"?

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 22:58 | 4483243 22winmag
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The bigger they are (databases, politicians, wannabe dictators), the harder they fall.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:45 | 4481732 falak pema
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I'm All IN...Baby! says Potus.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:46 | 4481736 Duc888
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"Ummm, the data in question is evidence in a pending lawsuit. Would Tyler prefer evidence of government wrong doing be destroyed?"

 

Funny that you should believe that.  Especially since the guy running it lied under oath.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:46 | 4481737 SgtShaftoe
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Don't these people understand that these systems will be used against them eventually by one side or the other? 

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:46 | 4481738 mademesmile
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Sing with me ," Everything is Awesome "

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:47 | 4481744 Johnny Cocknballs
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The President is likely now, and has likely been for decades, largely under the thumb of small groups of powerful men.

O is reknowned for his teleprompter dependency, and his skill as an orator.

He probably knows what will happen if he goes too far off script.

Or perhaps this view is wrong, and our democracy ensures that the American people are able to freely select their leader, who will work only for them.

The trouble with this view, inter alia, is when you consider the ostensible juxtaposition to Bush candidate Obama represented.  Remember how it was all about reflecting the face of new America, tears in the eyes of the good Rev, hope and change.

Different?  On a few peripheral surface issues - enough to make him seem really different to low info/one {social} issue voters.

But the truth is, as to foreign policy, as to the welfare/warfare cult of statism, as to Wall Street's revolving door and immunity from justice  - the guy is in the middle of Bush's 4th term.  How fucking obtuse do you have to be to believe the hype?

 

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:58 | 4481792 Emergency Ward
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I like how you put that -- the middle of Bush's 4th term.  Obama loves playing Dubya's bastard son, the son who outdoes daddy.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:24 | 4481997 Freddie
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More like Bush's 7th or 8th term.  Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama are all the same and work for the same people.

For sure POTUS came under control of MIC with LBJ.  MIC has a lot more the tribe than you know too.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:36 | 4482056 usednabused
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Why didn't ya all know that Obama is the son that Bush woulda had! O cum home to Daddy babyO

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:00 | 4481823 centerline
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The "wiggle room" has seemed to narrow significantly.  lol.  That, in itself, really says something.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:27 | 4482002 lakecity55
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Hey, was the "orator" part sarcasm?

I mean, the guy is so stoned most of the time and has who knows how much brain damage he cannot even put two coherent thoughts together in a sentence.

Granted, TOTUS makes him appear educated.

I bet he drools a lot, and the joints burn down to his fingers and he gets burned all the time.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:23 | 4482678 Ban KKiller
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Presidents are puppets, no?

Reagan was best reader of the prompter...

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:50 | 4481756 Van Halen
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There are about 3000 of them herding 320 million of us over a cliff. It's long past time to march.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:52 | 4481758 Emergency Ward
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"I must know everyone's secrets!  It is an Imperative of my Neo-Conservative New Socialist Order!!!"

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:53 | 4481770 monad
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Time to pull the plug

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:04 | 4481857 bdub2
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I am now safe.

Only one thing left to do:

Time to turn myself in for a thought crime I might make in the future.

Jeolous much China! America Wins Again!

Freedom!

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 19:20 | 4482471 forwardho
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Sorry, but you have already commited the crime of communicating to and associating with the "now" judged to be subversive site known then as ZH.

 

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:04 | 4481870 The Econ Ideal
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So much for intelligent data mining to protect and serve. Watson probably got oversold for the task and didn't cut it. /sarc

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:13 | 4481926 roadhazard
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Don't worry, Congress will stop him.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:20 | 4481961 resurger
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Fuck you Nigga!

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:21 | 4481971 lakecity55
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What a total assholio. This guy is past disgusting.

"Uhh, yess, uhh, I want the database expanded general. I need to know errrr, where every available gay stud is and when they are available, in case Reggie is out of town. Can you uuhhhh, put cameras in their bedrooms, too? I need it for evaluation purposes."

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:34 | 4482049 besnook
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it is impossible to equate obama with hitler no matter how close potus tracks the path of the mustachioed one. he has not declared war on the jews yet nor has he suggested a final solution. dissing israel does not count. in fact, his fealty to the tribe at the expense of his country puts potus on the side of the bolsheviks which has putin rolling on the floor laughing his ass off because he knows the outcome of that game.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:46 | 4482343 JR
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Headquartered in America, international in scope, the criminals of one land work with the criminals of all others. 

Our unsleeping enemies in 1917 found and established their of seat of power in Russia; today they hold the seat of power in America.

John Buchan, Scottish author and statesman wrote shortly after the Bolshevik takeover of Russia that “Crime has no fatherland.  It is as old as human nature and as wide as the earth and so powerful that it stretches its hand to crime throughout the globe.”

It is the Peter Orszags and Robert Rubins and Jack Lews and Mario Draghis  et al., who created this international mess and usurped the people’s wealth, who now are in there directing how it all should be fixed. Their solution is always the same, the people, their innocent victims, must pay…and pay and pay.

Totalitarianism in American began in earnest in March 1995 with Robert Rubin. Less than two months after becoming Secretary of the Treasury, Rubin asked Congress to repeal the Glass-Steagall Act and to change the Bank Holding Company Act of 1956.

For more than 60 years, the law had forced financial concerns to choose between owning commercial banks or owning securities companies like brokerage firms and investment banks, but not both.

Not to leave any hurdle standing, Rubin also called for broad changes in the Bank Holding Company Act of 1956 which had effectively barred most financial concerns from owning both commercial banks and insurance companies. Then in 1998 he took steps to oppose Brooksley Born, the chairman of the commodities commission, and any derivatives regulation that would have averted the credit crisis.

Rubin stayed at Treasury until his retirement in 1999. According to ex-President Bill Clinton, Rubin was the “greatest secretary of the Treasury since Alexander Hamilton.” In 1999, Rubin joined Citigroup.

And so it began, total chaos in markets and the subsequent collapse of Americans’ and Europeans’ standard of living coupled with an accompanying loss of freedom. One of the first of such changes to be facilitated by Rubin's repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act was the supermerger between Travelers Group and Citicorp (Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act).

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:50 | 4482769 MrButtoMcFarty
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I dream of the day I see guys like Rubin and his ilk drawn and quartered in the street.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:39 | 4482062 NOTaREALmerican
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Looks like everybody should be:

1)  Joining the ACLU

2)  Asking why the people who are so obsessed with the 2nd amendment aren't equally obsessed with the 4th.

 

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:43 | 4482084 DaddyO
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Timing is everything...

ACLU? Gimme a break...

DaddyO

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:46 | 4482750 MrButtoMcFarty
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Yeah.....the lawyers will fix everything....

Excellent plan Boris.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:39 | 4482066 successful_trader
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HOW LONG DO WE HAVE TO PUT UP WITH THIS !!!!!!

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 19:15 | 4482451 graneros
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We aren't hungry or cold enough yet. Frustrated? Oh yeah.  Frustration doesn't send people into the streets to kill other people.  Make no mistake it will take a lot of blood to wash away the stain our politicians have created.  How many here in our own little ZH echo chamber are willing to get off your keyboards pick up a weapon and go fight the young healthy brainwashed mercanaries your own country will send into said streets to kill you?  Me? I'm 60 years old and I get the feeling most ZH'ers though maybe not blue hairs are not spring chickens either.  Attack my home and yes I'll go out in a blaze of glory but I simply can't risk the rest of my life to go out with an unorganized mob.  I'm guessing as pissed as most of you are you share my sentiments.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 19:58 | 4482602 Nick Jihad
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The Soviet Union wasn't overthrown by resorting to violence. It was overthrown by universal refusal to cooperate with authority. We're getting there, and sites like ZH are an essential part of that process.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:11 | 4482639 graneros
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Nick, Your optimism is refreshing.  I hope I see things soon to help me get there as well.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:42 | 4482067 NuYawkFrankie
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And in related  Breaking News...

 

"We have to keep all the data so as to reassure the American Public that we will never use it...."

- Rt Hon. Rep. Nancy Pelosi

 

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:50 | 4482117 drendebe10
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"We have to pass it to find out what's in it."

 - Hon. Rep. Fossil Botox Plastic Surgery Hair dyed Nancy Pelosi

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:40 | 4482311 noguano
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"Welcome to the suck" 

 My grandfather fought against the very same thing that is happening in our country today.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 19:05 | 4482425 GeoffreyT
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If he was a conscript, he had no choice. If he believed that his overlords were better than some other set, he was fundamentally misguided - no surprise given the massive amount of indoctrination that US kiddies receive in their schools.

Given the iron grip of .gov on the media at the time, he was probably unaware of Smedley Butler's 1933 tract "War is a Racket".

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:45 | 4482096 MarsInScorpio
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It's time to quit lying to ourselves and admit we have a mentally ill president.

He suffers from delusions of grandeur - believing that all he has to do is wave his hand and it is now reality. King Canute is his role model.

This is the result of his pathological lying - he lies about anything and everything - telling the world whatever he wants it to believe regardless of the reality surrounding his pronouncements. He is increasingly disconnected from reality.

He is kept afloat by a tight circle of enablers who cover for him and spin his lies. But that is changing.

I am making this statement not to be mean, but rather because it is time to seriously consider that Barack Obama is not mentally healthy. I am saying this because he is continuing to run farther and farther away from reality in his actions, and believes that whatever he says – becomes the made-over reality that exists only in his mind.

Take his statement that "100-million" people have signed up for ObamaCare - that's nearly 1/3 of the entire 315-million person population of the US. It is a number that prima fascia is irrational.

But Obama stated it as a fact anyway to his Obamabots in Organizing for America. They showed their lack of rational relationship by accepting the number - regardless of its obvious irrational ability to be true. As an aside, it shows that these people are brain-dead, and just accept that whatever Obama says is the truth - with no rational vetting whatsoever.

That's truly scary.

But scarier still is this: NO ONE in the WH dared correct him. No statement came out saying so much as issuing the typical lame excuse that he "misspoke." Nothing. The WH enablers fell silent (as did the Looney Tunes Left MSM).

Why?

This is what makes their silence so scary: It means that the WH aides are at a point where they so fear the mad king's wrath that they will abandon reality for his irrational fantasies. They will no longer be a wall of reality constraining his thinking to the Real World.

In short, they are no longer Gatekeepers, but rather like “Alice in Wonderland,” they are the cards painting the roses red for the insane Queen of Hearts.

"She wanted white - then said what a fright, so now she's wants them red instead; we're painting the roses red, we're painting the roses red - we can't say no we won't, because if we don't, she'll want our heads instead! So we're painting the roses red . . ."

I realize that take from Alice in Wonderland goes over the heads - or should I say through the air-heads - of the Obamabots. But what do you expect from people who passively accept 100-million people being signed up for ObamaCare?

That is mental disconnect. That is insanity. That is Barack Obama.

Don't apologize for thinking him ill; he is ill.

And this latest exercise in waving his hand, and thinking that reality magically changes when he does, shows Barack Obama is disconnected from reality, and must be removed from office before his mental illness drives him to even more desperate, irrational thinking - and even more dangerous, irrational actions.
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Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:00 | 4482166 lakecity55
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Yes, he does indeed live in an imaginary world, but it is a nightmare for us.

Actually, I suspect the WH is now a large Opium Den.

Man, it would be funny if he would use rat poison while he was stoned, thinking it was sugar for his coffee. Or, Hitlary leaves a banana peel on the stairs, haha.

"The pResident is at Bethesda Naval Hospital after mistaking Rat poison for sugar. Additionally, he slipped on a banana peel shortly after a visit from Hitlary. Details at 11.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:18 | 4482235 shovelhead
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I think you need to read the story.

King Canute got wet feet.

Barry thinks he hovers over the receding waters.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 19:59 | 4482604 Apostate2
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"Alice laughed. "There's no use trying," she said: "one can't believe impossible things."I daresay you haven't had much practice," said the Queen. "When I was your age, I always did it for half-an-hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast."

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 16:29 | 4486086 it aint paranoi...
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It seems 90% of DC politicians are mentally ill- narcissist, sociopath, psychpath, or a combination of these.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:54 | 4482141 general ambivalent
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Keep Calm and Get F(i)at on Trickle-Down Data.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:59 | 4482155 JR
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The truism to catch from this NSA development is that the American government is not acting out of incompetence, ignorance, or over excessive diligence. It has an ironclad objective and that is to control all American citizens, to mold them into slavery to serve, not the American nation, but the kleptocracy.

With these developments we are nearing that point that Orwell described in his book, 1984, of his vision of dictatorial totalitarianism: with mass communication and surveillance now possible in the U.S. and under the control of a totalitarian criminal dictatorship, the technical moves now can be made to make every citizen obey or die.

The rogue oligarchy and professional politicians who have brought us to this point cannot be redeemed; they must be removed else America’s future already has been outlined by George Orwell.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:10 | 4482192 kenezen
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I was going to write a reply! But, yours was so perfect, so succinct I just want to applaud. 

I've written substantial articles about our plight. Yours is truly great in its brevity and message!

hedgemastermb.blogspot.com

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:26 | 4482266 trader1
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my bet is on a hybrid future that fuses the best bits of brave new world and 1984 societies into something (surprisingly) positive for the human race.

 

get a little leibniz in your heart.  we are living in the best of all possible worlds.

 

if government is surveilling everything and able to gain meaningful insights from the data set,

then it would follow that a winning formula to stay in power over the serfs and prevent an uprising,

would include government responding to the needs, wants, and desires of the people.

in other words, with NSA surveillance,

you will not need to vote anymore.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:44 | 4483006 Oldwood
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Sounds great! Has it ever happened before in the history of the world? I didn't think so.

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 02:03 | 4483598 trader1
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yea, there are a lot of pessimists.

they are probably right.

...there's growing concerns about efforts in Chicago to use predictive analytical systems to generate a "heat list" -- or a list of 400 or so individuals most likely to be involved in violent crime. The Chicago efforts are based on a Yale sociologist's studies and use an algorithm created by an engineer at the Illinois Institute of Technology. People who find themselves on the list get personal visits from law enforcement warning them that they better be nice. The result is a collision between law enforcement that believes in the righteousness of these efforts and those who worry that they could, as an EFF rep states, create "an environment where police can show up at anyone's door at any time for any reason." 

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 06:49 | 4483779 Zadig
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"would include government responding to the needs, wants, and desires of the people."

They don't care about those things.  They care about lootingThe bread and circuses are meant to prevent an "uprising".

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 16:33 | 4486098 it aint paranoi...
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"would include government responding to the needs, wants, and desires of the people"

 

I want to be left alone. Liberty over materialism.

 

Some how, I expect the want and need and desire for the government to get out of our lives WON'T happen.

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 20:03 | 4486937 MEAN BUSINESS
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The transition, trader1, to essentially a world without politicians? I think I could handle that! But before the world is going to accept the NSA style invasion of privacy method, I think adopting an online voter app such as presented in The 40 Point Plan would increase participation and give governments way better insight into people.

Meanwhile, there's a new book out (2014) called The Sixth Extinction: An Unnatural History by Elizabeth Kolbert

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:07 | 4482187 Duude
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Reform: To change to a better state.

 

In Obama's eyes that better state is more meta-data, not less.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:07 | 4482189 resurger
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Tylers and Bitchez there you go:

http://rt.com/usa/police-warrantless-search-permission-744/

The US Supreme Court has ruled that police may search a home without obtaining a warrant despite the objection of one occupant if that occupant has been removed from the premises.

With its 6 to 3 decision in Fernandez v. California on Tuesday, the Court sided with law enforcement’s ability to conduct warrantless searches after restricting police powers with its 2006 decision on a similar case.

In 2009, the Los Angeles Police Department sought suspect Walter Fernandez, believed to have stabbed someone in a violent gang robbery. When police first arrived at the suspect’s home, they heard yelling and screaming before Fernandez’s live-in girlfriend Roxanne Rojas answered the door, appearing “freshly bruised and bloody,” and with an infant in hand, according to argument recap by SCOTUSblog.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 19:00 | 4482401 GeoffreyT
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The .gov judicial monopoly once again sides with its paymasters and privileged-sinecure providers. Why would anybody in their right mind expect otherwise?

 

The role of the 'safe hands' robed geriatrics on SCOTUS, is to slowly but inexorably parse the bill of Rights out of functional existence. Anybody who believes otherwise is sufficiently naive as to be cognitively adolescent.

 

"the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" - gone (there are myriad laws that restrict that right);

"Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted" - a dead letter, since if .gov decides to detain you forever in a supermax, they can simply call it 'coercion', not 'punishment' - pace Gompers v. Bucks Stove & Range Co. - 221 U.S. 418 (1911) through to

302 F.3d 107: H. Beatty Chadwick v. James Janecka & Ors (2002)

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." - gone.

"In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence." - gone, because terrrrrrrism.

 

 

 

Daniel Webster hit the nail on the head: "There are men, in all ages, who mean to exercise power usefully; but who mean to exercise it. They mean to govern well; but they mean to govern. They promise to be kind masters; but they mean to be masters."

To which I would add - "exercise power usefully" is to be determined according to the preferences and objectives of the rulers, not those of the ruled.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:08 | 4482196 bankonzhongguo
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You can't say this is all about "Obama."

This is about the Democratic Party on an out of control power-trip.

Any who is stopping them?

Nobody.

When you see the words and faces of a Democratic Party operative, elected official or campaign contributor think: National Socialist.

As Holocaust researchers have often commented; 'It was not the camps and guards that killed so many.  It was the banality of typewriters and methodical record keeping that turned Europe into a killing floor.'

Telephone calls.  Text messages.  Newspaper website comments.  Gun registries. Medication databases and mental health indexes.

This is all happening for a dark and intelligent reason.

As Andy Grove so poignantly lived through; "Only the paranoid survive."

Forget Obama.  His own "party" will martyr him when it suits the purposes as this whole intel grid.

 

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:32 | 4482287 the wet spot
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You act as if this entire program wasn't started under Bush Jr. and current Republicans are doing everything they can to shut it down.  You're the problem with this country -pretending The Right will come in and save the day.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:20 | 4482242 q99x2
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Impeach

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:21 | 4482247 kchrisc
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Obama is making no decision, but just doing what his masters want him to.

Why do those of government spy? They spy for the same reason that roaches hide from the light--to avoid detection and destruction. They are spying on us, but of what we know of them and their crimes.

Or put another way: "Spying is hiding."

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 19:02 | 4482407 forwardho
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They spy because they are afraid of us.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:26 | 4482268 cherry picker
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At least in the Ukraine and other places, they fired or kicked out the scum ruining lives.

Not so much in the USA.  They can start preemptive wars, torture and jail at will and guess what, they can't even fire the bums.  So much for democracy.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:28 | 4482271 Rising Sun
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Shoot the nazi in the head and then burn it.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:31 | 4482282 notadouche
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If WE want YOUR phone records, WE can keep your phone records.  But I swear on the constitution we won't look at them.  

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:31 | 4482283 williambanzai7
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Wed, 02/26/2014 - 22:49 | 4483211 the grateful un...
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right? no. obligation. though one thinks Hitlers bully pulpit was a bit overdrawn, it wasn't considered a tool of policy, and an obligation to use, at special moments, as it is now. of course special circumstances soon become main stream policy, though we haven't thrown any jews in the oven, we have tossed entire middle class overboard.,

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:40 | 4482303 medium giraffe
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Last one to Kristallnacht gets to sweep out the gas chamber!

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:38 | 4482304 RazvanM
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Step 1: the sheeple voting (twice) for Obama should kick themselves in the balls. Hard.

Step 2: the sheeple voting (twice) for Bush should kick themselves in the balls. Hard.

Step 3: the sheeple accepting to be easily amused and not fighting back should kick themselves in the balls. The sheeple thinking that their involvement stops after voting should do the same.

Step 4: after you all acknowledge the wrong that you bestowed onto the world, please join forces and resist in the streets to the current motherfucker with all your power. He is the enemy.

Thank you very much!

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:39 | 4482306 Duc888
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"It's time to quit lying to ourselves and admit we have a mentally ill president."

 

I respectfully disagree.  He was (s)elected for the fact that he is untouchable.  So his Masters, those that put him into power long ago as a Jr Senator (on the Banking committee none-the-less) knew that he was the perfect rube for the job.  Chauncey Gardner.

 

It's brilliant in it's simplicity.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:41 | 4482318 medium giraffe
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Can't touch this. Bammer time!

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:40 | 4482313 Van Halen
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Elon Musk is only speechless because he can't pull his lips off Obama's ass.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:44 | 4482333 semperfi
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Where’s the good guys (in our govt)?  Seems like all we have now are bad guys running the show. When are the good guys going to come out of hiding and make a stand? How bad does it have to get? Where are the defenders of the Constitution?  None to be found.  Not even the Supreme Court.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:52 | 4482369 forwardho
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We are right here, by your side, sitting on our asses just wanting to be left alone.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 19:05 | 4482422 Debt Slave
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Oh come on. The Constitution has been a joke since the SCOTUS ruled in the 1880's that corperations are "persons" and have all the rights thereof (especially the right to donate unlimited money to political candidates in 2010), and the late 1900s when the 17th Amendment was ratified.

Actually, a case can be made that it's been a joke since Marbury v. Madison in 1804 when the SCOTUS (a created branch of the government) decided it had the power to determine the will of the Creators, the sovereign people and the several States.

Well, someone's got to do it, eh?

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 19:38 | 4482534 noguano
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I agree!   I'm ashamed of my congressmen.

We are all alone.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:59 | 4482698 Tale2cities
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Rep.Justin Amash,Michigan
Sen.Rand Paul

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:45 | 4482337 Itchy and Scratchy
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'Change you can decieve in!'

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:45 | 4482338 Itchy and Scratchy
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'Change you can decieve in!'

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:46 | 4482344 Debt Slave
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Anyone here old enough to remember the Soviet Union? It's coming to America right before your very eyes. A Marxist-Bolshevik Communist police state brought to you by the Left and the Right. The same people who grabbed control of Russia in 1917 are the same in control of America in 2014. History doesn't repeat, but it sure does follow a pattern, comrade.

But Obamacare is not really that big a threat, and the Republicans will overturn it, right? Hahaha.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:47 | 4483019 SmallerGovNow2
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trained fighting against it.  holding the fulda gap.  target folders and demo in hand...

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:52 | 4482358 Son of Captain Nemo
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Some last minute advice before the "Nut" Really Cracks...

If you can't make it to Washington for an up close and personal visit with your treasonous lawmaker in Washington... The next best thing might be to pick up your telephone just to let that treasonous lawmaker in Washington know that you might not be too happy if they let "him" ( "him" being our beloved insane President) unilaterally start another war without them.

Especially given the size of that "tree" he wants to shake this time around!

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 16:37 | 4486120 it aint paranoi...
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Good point. It seemed to work in Syria.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 19:04 | 4482415 Catullus
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Empty suit.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 19:24 | 4482484 Yes We Can. But...
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Fire my feckless, sophomoric, incompetent, thoroughly dishonest, liberty-hating statist ass before it is too late for you.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 19:24 | 4482490 Son of Captain Nemo
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Okay

Empty suit with many "Nuts" with money simultaneously ready to "Really Crack".

Fixed it!

 

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 19:29 | 4482507 MickV
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What part of "when there is no legal executor of the laws, then there is no law, and the law is only what evil men say it is" do you not understand?

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 19:32 | 4482513 Itchy and Scratchy
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'Schemes of My Father'

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 19:45 | 4482556 Nick Jihad
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This ranks right up there with the IRS policy that "privacy restrictions prevent us telling you which IRS employee leaked your tax returns to the press".

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:01 | 4482570 new guy
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This is just more proof that there is no task which you can give to government that they will not fuck up. 

Question - How many government workers does it take to change a light bulb?

Answer- twenty one. Twenty to form a committee to study the issue and one to hire an outside contractor.

Edit: I would really like to believe that these people are not evil but the only alternative seems to be that they are really, really. really stupid.

 

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 22:48 | 4483205 cheetahbaby
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A government committee is like an animal with four hind legs...

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 19:57 | 4482599 AdvancingTime
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One of my biggest concerns about the NSA spying on Americans how much was being spent, because if we are spending a lot of money on this consider it a big red flag. It recently came out thanks to information leaked by  Edward Snowden that the "black budget" last year was a massive 52 billion dollars.

This is the money used in "secret" spy operations, and it is enough to send shivers down the back of those that have read about the totalitarian society of Oceania described in George Orwell's novel Nineteen Eighty-Four. In Orwell's novel, all citizens of Oceania are monitored by cameras and are fed fabricated news stories by the government. More on the god awful path we are going down in the article below,

http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2013/09/are-we-creating-orwellian-society...

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:24 | 4482621 falak pema
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How come ZH has nothing on the Erdogan tapes about 1 billion stashed in cash in the homes of his family; its on Youtube.

AK Party founders slam PM Erdo?an over leaked corruption recording - Today's Zaman, your gateway to Turkish daily news

 

My bad ; found it! 

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:09 | 4482634 royal
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This kneegrow lies about everything.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:09 | 4482636 BullyBearish
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Ed Hoffman: Nobody's innocent in this shit.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:46 | 4483017 arnoldsimage
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this movie flew under the radar, but damn, i thought it was superb. outstanding performances from dicaprio, crowe and mark strong blew it out the water. great flick.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:23 | 4482673 Drifter
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So how's that revolution thing coming along?

Of course that's tonge-in-cheek.  There won't be one.

But no worries, in May 10 million are gonna march on DC.  "Peaceful and unarmed", and all the corrupt politicians from Obama on down will resign.  

I shit you not!   This site says so! 

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 08:55 | 4482685 Tale2cities
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Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:30 | 4482697 Coldfire
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Impeach.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:33 | 4482703 smacker
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Will this POS really survive his full term??

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:33 | 4482706 Peter Pan
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If a nation is to be judged by the leader it has, then the USA is damned beyond hope.

There is only one word to describe this monstrous metamorphosis of the USA.......EVIL

It is certainly not my hope, but it seems that only a harsh and prolonged drought and other physical calamities might bring the USA to its collective senses.

 

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:42 | 4482736 novictim
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"Whatever the President does is legal by definition" - Pres. Nixon

 

The success of the Ukrainian Protest to throw out their Kleptocrat-in-Chief has SCARED THE CRAP out of the American elites.

I expect the police state to deepen and become even less transparent and more invasive as time goes on unless we start Marching in a very unCivil manner on Washington.  

Face it.  Our Democracy has broken and is no longer working for us middleclass work-dogs.  

There are no democratic solutions at this time.  Burning tires, picking up clubs, and ransacking Government facilities as the Ukrainians were forced to do may now be our only means of spurring on "Change we can believe in". What else will get our fellow Citizens to Tune-in?

I'm open to realistic alternatives...but the Ukraine seems to have had the right ideas.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:45 | 4482746 FanOfAnn
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Can any liberal/progressive/democrat/rino explain why you tolerate this madness? 

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:13 | 4482877 satoshi123
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Chomsky calls it 'manufacturing consent',

Please understand that all players, left, right, top, and bottom and DEM, PUG, LIBeral, Libertard, ... are all part of the TEAM, all created illusions of free-thought, but all working for the common good of FASCISM.

http://www.amazon.com/Manufacturing-Consent-Political-Economy-Media/dp/0...

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:24 | 4482911 therearetoomany...
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Chomsky is the master of the obvious.    Think he just picked up a second gig working for Hotels.com

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:24 | 4482931 FredFlintstone
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Then 95% of Americans obviously don't see the obvious.

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 03:53 | 4483705 therearetoomany...
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Good point.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:27 | 4482939 1stepcloser
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Britbarted

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 22:41 | 4483186 novictim
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I can explain it but I'm no longer a Democrat.  Iv oted Obama in 2008. Sorry.  I screwed up.  I voted Jill Stein in 2012.

Here is my take:

Obama is a willing acolyte of the Deep State.  (Bill Moyers outlines this at:  http://billmoyers.com/2014/02/24/interview-highlights-mike-lofgren/

Obama is a crony-capitalist and recognizes his status as a 0.1% elite.  His constituents are the wealthy and powerful and they will be bestowing him with lavish fees for the speaking tours after he steps down.  His family and their own legacy will be ensured by towing the line.

Obama knows that the 0.1% are all that matter.  The police state is the natural ally of the elites.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:00 | 4482814 GrinandBearit
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Can't some take this mother fucker out?

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:17 | 4482898 Blood Spattered...
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I can't tell what is more idiotic, you typing that, or the fact that you think that Obummer's non-existence would change anything.  Get a fucking clue. 

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:24 | 4482932 1stepcloser
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He wants to have a beer with the STAZI fuck... Relax

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:55 | 4483038 homiegot
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Try Conrad the Constitution. He's up for it:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-Qt30SOwTM

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:08 | 4482856 1stepcloser
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Its called the White Pages..Hell Fucking O... Make it happen Courts..signed Dear Leader

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:10 | 4482863 f16hoser
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Fuck You Obama! Make that bigger....

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:16 | 4482897 Apostate2
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Looks like some in Congress are awake

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/26/nsa-reform-white-house-prop...

'Advocates for the curtailment of bulk surveillance are pre-emptively opposing a reform proposal presented to the White House under which responsibility for the National Security Agency’s vast database of US phone records would be handed over to the FBI.'

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:22 | 4482907 therearetoomany...
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Cunt!

Edit: fuck impeachment, guillotine.   for all of them.   "left" and "right"

2nd Edit: in a figurative sense of course.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:38 | 4482980 SmallerGovNow2
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+1 but why figuratively?  roll the fucking guilloines NOW...  (-:

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 22:11 | 4483090 Drifter
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Go right on ahead.  What's stopping you?

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:41 | 4482997 7 of 15
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Obama, the new bush

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:42 | 4482998 7 of 15
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duplicate

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 22:08 | 4483042 earleflorida
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FWIW Dept: 

as far back 1936 durng the FDR administration (nov/1932-april 12, 1945-- dies 82days into his fourth term of a cerebral( ?) hemorrhage, although he was a victim of crippling and degenerating polio?)) in which v.p. truman took the reigns of the presidency and it was then told to truman that j. edgar hoover called and was willing and able to help under any and all circumstances? to his dismay truman found that fdr tapped his aides phones,... most democrats/ republicans in congress, and anybody that was anybody in ny/dc (meaning any political threat!) all done under j. edgar hoover an his irs/fbi branch of ss/gestopo!

truman put a stop to it immedately and told j edgar hoover if he wanted a favor, he would sick the us jusice dept after hoover and his fbi thugs. later, truman's only response to hoover was the absolute breach of civil-liberties tht hoover was trampling on. from this day on, (~15 days in office) april 25, 1945 hoover hated truman, and truma did everything in his power to dispose of j. edgar hoover! 

truman hated hoover!!!

now, it has been almost 70yrs. hence, and one can only imagine how matters have became alot worse, especially with the advent of the ubiquitous wireless iphones and gadgets. marconi and tesla the pioneers were fully aware a century ago where this was going?

jmo

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 22:16 | 4483111 BeetleBailey
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FUCK YOU OBAMA YOU CUNT!

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 22:54 | 4483230 cheetahbaby
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When the cunt smells like fish you know it's infected....

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 22:39 | 4483181 sink critically
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This calls for a new data storage format which is incompatible with the current format. Problem solved because nobody is going to convert all of the old data. :)

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 22:58 | 4483244 Cabreado
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"this attempt at comedy..."

The attempts are appreciated, as is ZH altogether, but as ZH knows, there are times when nothing's funny, and the attention should be on a neatly defined collection of persons who have been elected to ensure the Presidency does not run rampant, let alone venture into comedy zone...

Remember that nobody's minding the store.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 23:02 | 4483254 Rockfish
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sorry double post

 

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 23:01 | 4483255 Rockfish
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Pure intimidation.

NSA will ‘keep peeping while you’re sleeping’

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/in-the-loop/wp/2014/02/18/nsa-will-k...

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 23:03 | 4483258 22winmag
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Ever get the feeling this titanic shitshow is circling the drain and gonna get flushed down the drain permanently?

 

It's time for mankind to move beyond the welfare-warfare-fiat money-spyware state.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 23:43 | 4483362 falconflight
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We will do nothing in the face of now overwhelming evidence that the federal gov't is illegitimate, acting outside of Constitutional, and well defined lawful parameters.  No matter how authoritarian-totalitarian, and even violent the various gov't entities behave, we will do nothing.  We, are no better than the German People of the early 1930's.  I'd submit that we are actually more complicit, more indolent, and far less deserving of any sympathy in historical terms.  jmho

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 07:31 | 4483805 Zadig
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"We, are no better than the German People of the early 1930's.  I'd submit that we are actually more complicit, more indolent, and far less deserving of any sympathy in historical terms."

 

Agreed.

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 00:59 | 4483513 vincent
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Red or blue, they're out to screw you.

Get over the hate, plant some tomatoes, and educate your children

 

 

 

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 03:12 | 4483663 TheCosmicTaco
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Whadjou talkin' about, Obummah?

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 03:15 | 4483665 joego1
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Next Guantanamo bay will have to get larger, because of law suits of course.

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 10:41 | 4484287 jnesfield
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Slightly skewed uses of language recently cause concern.  White House announces 19 Medal of Honor recipients "http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-to-ward-medal-of-honor-to-1..."

Child Care Centers to Follow First Lady Guidelines
"http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/child-care-centers-follow-lady-gu..."

The Medal of Honor is the Congressional Medal of Honor not something the White House controls in  fact the process to award these recipients was started under the Bush Administration.

Sam Kass director of Lets Move states "Some 13,000 child care centers nationwide are now following the rules, said Sam Kass, the executive director of "Let's Move.""  These are guidelines not valid rules.

The lack of accurate language has allowed the corrosion of the culture and while it might seem minor prompting a "What does it matter reference ala Benghazi" when we face a tyrant a critical examination of every word becomes more important.

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 16:41 | 4486131 vanderleun
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The onset of fast moving brain cancer cannot come too soon.

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