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Supreme Court Rules Police May Search A Home Without Obtaining A Warrant
If the most disturbing, if underreported, news from yesterday, was Obama's "modification" of NSA capabilities, which contrary to his earlier promises, was just granted even greater powers as phone recording will now be stored for even longer than previously, then this latest development from the Supreme Court - one which some could argue just voided the Fourth amendment - is even more shocking. RT reports that the US Supreme Court has ruled that police may search a home without obtaining a warrant despite the objection of one occupant if that occupant has been removed from the premises. With its 6 to 3 decision in Fernandez v. California on Tuesday, the Court sided with law enforcement’s ability to conduct warrantless searches after restricting police powers with its 2006 decision on a similar case.
In 2009, the Los Angeles Police Department sought suspect Walter Fernandez, believed to have stabbed someone in a violent gang robbery. When police first arrived at the suspect’s home, they heard yelling and screaming before Fernandez’s live-in girlfriend Roxanne Rojas answered the door, appearing “freshly bruised and bloody,” and with an infant in hand, according to argument recap by SCOTUSblog.
Fernandez was spotted by police, and said, “Get out. I know my rights. You can’t come in.” Yet police arrested him on charges of domestic violence. Later, once Fernandez was out of the home, police asked Rojas for permission to conduct a search, which yielded evidence implicating Fernandez in the robbery.
Probable cause or probable loss of all civil rights?
The Court’s decision justified the police actions, with Justice Samuel Alito writing the majority’s position.
“A warrantless consent search is reasonable and thus consistent with the Fourth Amendment irrespective of the availability of a warrant,” Alito wrote. He added that “denying someone in Rojas’ position the right to allow the police to enter her home would also show disrespect for her independence.”
Alito was joined in the majority by Justices Breyer, Kennedy, Roberts, Scalia, and Thomas.
Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg – joined in the minority by Justices Kagan and Sotomayor, marking a gender divide among the Justices in the case – wrote the dissenting opinion, calling the decision a blow to the Fourth Amendment, which prohibits “unreasonable searches and seizures.”
“Instead of adhering to the warrant requirement,” Ginsburg wrote, “today’s decision tells the police they may dodge it, nevermind ample time to secure the approval of a neutral magistrate.” Tuesday’s ruling, she added, “shrinks to petite size our holding in Georgia v. Randolph.”
Georgia v. Randolph was a similar case the Supreme Court addressed in 2006, in which a domestic violence suspect would not allow police to enter his home, though his wife did offer police consent. The police ultimately entered the home. The Court ruled in the case that the man’s refusal while being present in the home should have kept authorizes from entering.
“A physically present inhabitant’s express refusal of consent to a police search [of his home] is dispositive as to him, regardless of the consent of a fellow occupant,” the majority ruled in that case.
In addressing Randolph in the majority opinion, Alito wrote that the difference between that case and Fernandez was the physical presence of the suspect.
“Our opinion in Randolph took great pains to emphasize that its holding was limited to situations in which the objecting occupant is physically present,” he wrote.
“We therefore refuse to extend Randolph to the very different situation in this case, where consent was provided by an abused woman well after her male partner had been removed from the apartment they shared.”
Prior to Randolph and Fernandez, the Court ruled in the 1974 case United States v. Matlock that any one of the co-tenants in a home can consent to a police search of the premises.
Well there goes the fourth amen... oh look, over there: it's another all time high in the S&P 500. On paper, those who hold stocks have never been richer. Everyone else, barricade your doors, and the police come knocking, don't even bother answering - they will come in anyway. And also prepare your guns for return to the government: that particular "constitutional" amendment is the next to go.
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Yeh, I was reading for about a year and then signed up to ask LTER a question about one of his posts.
Well, I've weighed the possibility of a "honey trap" and I try to keep my comments to double entendre's...I do like to feed the paranoia of "the lurkers" who never comment while sending their minions here...lol...I get some sort of sick joy from that, I can't explain it, its just my personality.
But I'd say (my opinion only) 95% are the real deal, from all backgrounds and nationalities...which brings us perspective. I don't think we ever want to get to the point where we're shouting down all but that 5%.
You have to remember the history of ZH, "Tyler" was called a ferner at one point, to denigrate him in the eyes of the American public. True. But what did he bring to the table of truth? If he made a profit off of it, I say, good man and thanks.
So if this is a "honey trap", when a "minion" brings you to one of the "lurkers" and they have you strapped in a chair for questioning, you can say that all of your "double entendre's" were misunderstood. Ahh, good strategy. Maybe Abi Normal will be there to rescue you.
"If" is a keyword there isn't it?...lol.
I'm an American, not a "US citizen" with everything that entails to me. They can only kill me once and I don't intend to get strapped to a chair. Keyword...intend...lol.
Besides, they can never take away my birthday ;-)
LOL, I am not sure I can rescue myself...
i tend agree with ya...but your post is marked...you got the beast's # big-time...and, on top of that, i'm staring at 6 down votes.
i can't but say your post was cursed from the get-go
even so, again, i agree.
no need to be top-billing, bitchez. the ones who matter read all the way through.
People may not want to hear what you are saying or how you are saying it, but, well said. The flow of debate here is only occasionally well written. Many times the NSA trolls pit like minded people against each other. We are all here for one reason, WE KNOW something is very wrong with not just this country, but, the WORLD!
How does the thing work? I can't figure it out.
I just write fuck off once and a while for no purpose. I do it just because I can
here here, or hear hear, oh fuck, you get the point +1000
Hey douce bag this is not the article where we exposed you government paid fucks so go to hell and tell your master Obobo the monkey to fuck off!
So today I agree with Ginsburg, Kagan and Sotomayor on this?
It's shit like this why I've come to really hate the R team.
My thoughts exactly, Zaphod. This country is doomed to a bloody revolution or perpetual slavery. This case should never have even been a court issue. The Fourth Amendment says what it says in plain English. No "interpretation" needed.
'supreme' court ? LOL LOL LOL LOL ! That's hilarious ! More like supremely courtiers of the state.
Governent lawyers in black dresses with all their communications tapped -
Yeah, that outta produce 'justice'
Hmmm - - - and what was that 'legal justification' for obummer 'care' again ? Or that 'legal justification' for forcing someone out of their property if the state can get higher taxes from some favored corporation ? Or . . . . well, you all know this shit too.
You must remember the Supreme Court is the Supreme Court of the United States of America, that is, the federal government. It will protect and enhance federal power whenever it can get away with it.
The supreme court is as you say the court of the federal (contract) corporation. The supreme court of the united States is in Pennsylvania as far as I understand it.
So today I agree with Ginsburg, Kagan and Sotomayor on this?
It's shit like this why I've come to really hate the R team.
My rule of thumb is people will always do whatever is in their best self-interest, which is why I discount ideologues like that. The scotus cons talk a big game, but will trample on any espoused belief at the drop of a hat.
"My rule of thumb is people will always do whatever is in their best self-interest..."
Its a fair point to make James.
This case never should have been accepted. Ginsberg, Kagan etal. get to look like "protectors of liberty & rights" if for only a day. A couple years ago the same people ruled it was perfectly acceptable to force everyone to buy a product or service from a corporation.
I wonder when they are gonna say Target and Wal-Mart can force us to buy from them? That's no different than from the Federal corporation.
zap, I was thinking the same thing, I am really disgusted with myself too! Fuck the republifucks and demoncunts, they are equally treasonous!
Dude, I recall standing on 7th Avenue in NYC at the Garden before a number of concerts in the late 70's (age revealed..). The NYPD would always have the Calvary out...the horses...lined up, just in case shit went catty-whompus one way or the other, or maybe it was just a good excuse to exercise the ponies. People would be standing around, smoking hemp, doing whatever, shouting "Fuck you, pig." to the cops, giving them the finger, all sorts of other shit. Nothing ever happened.
We used to do the same thing around the neighborhood when they drove by.
Can you imagine if that happened now? You'd be locked up so fast it would be ridiculous. They'd call you a terrorist or some shit.
Not good. You can't even take a picture of them. WTF?
Oh, puh-lease. They wouldn't lock you up . . . they'd probably kill you.
Q: What is? "jmp esp"
Intel 386 microprocessor instruction.
SUBJECT: HACK
Jump to address specified by register "esp"
You already know this...and I thought I remembered it from somewhere:
If an attacker overwrites the program return address with this address the program will first jump to 0x7C941EED, interpret the opcode FF E4 as the jmp esp instruction, and will then jump to the top of the stack and execute the attacker's code.
opcode FF E4 as the jmp esp instruction,
jmp esp
For extra credit, explain why jmp esp is not the silver bullet it once was.
No longer the silver bullet?....hmmm....due to golden opportunities elsewhere?
SP2, SP3...hmmm...address space...hmmm...buffer overflow try/catch ?
Crap. Can't remember. I need a vowel...0 or 1 will do.
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Where is Francis Sawyer when I need him ?
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Look, as a side note, I'm getting a bit worried about the attitude
of the general [re]public, and some of the sicknesses I am seeing.
Ah, doesn't matter.
Best to all, including E.
Because of data execution prevention mostly. DEP/ASLR changed the game.
Francis Sawyer is in all of us. :)
Most just didn't let him out.
pods
Fuck off
A bit of attention whoring yes, but we baiting the grendel smaug and galactus combined. Ever dance on the hiway in the pale moonlight? Ipost because i am a fictional artificial intelligence compulsed by the Ideal Masters to alter the destiny of humanity .And to point out how stupid some things are for fun but that is just my duty."Kill all Humans" is the robot way.
A bit of attention whoring yes, but we baiting the grendel smaug and galactus combined. Ever dance on the hiway in the pale moonlight? Ipost because i am a fictional artificial intelligence compulsed by the Ideal Masters to alter the destiny of humanity .And to point out how stupid some things are for fun but that is just my duty."Kill all Humans" is the robot way.
You guys do understand that someone still has to let them in right? What is says is that one occupant of a house can not block access if another accepts entry, if they person denying access is not actually on premises.
It is a slightly dumb decision, but if they have probable cause to arrest you away from the house, they probably have cause to search it anyway.
What is says is that one occupant of a house can not block access if another accepts entry, if they person denying access is not actually on premises.
Aside from the obvious (?) insanity, in no way could this ever be abused.
Carlin, (paraphrase) "you don't have rights, you have temporary privileges" RIP
Exactly. How hard it is to get a warrant? This is a radio call to HQ and a request to the courthouse. A hour or less on a good day. Next day on a bad day.
Thugs don't want to wait for warrants, so the excuses begin.
someone still has to let them
Yup! They took a bleeding heart issue and made it the law of the land.
Sad but true. Now the sheeple at large it will be abused by thugs wearing uniforms.
From Wikipedia
Fascist movements shared certain common features, including the veneration of the state, a devotion to a strong leader, and an emphasis on ultranationalism and militarism. Fascism views political violence, war, and imperialism as a means to achieve national rejuvenation[5][8][9][10] and asserts that stronger nations have the right to expand their territory by displacing weaker nations.[11] Fascist ideology consistently invokes the primacy of the state. Leaders such as Benito Mussolini in Italy and Adolf Hitler in Germany embodied the state and claimed indisputable power. Fascism borrowed theories and terminology from socialism but replaced socialism's focus on class conflict with a focus on conflict between nations and races.[12] Fascists advocate a mixed economy, with the principal goal of achieving autarky to secure national self-sufficiency and independence through protectionist and interventionist economic policies.[
ah........ you mean like this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5H25eopUUI
poor sheeple, poor poor sheeple....
and this:
Yahoo webcam images from millions of users intercepted by GCHQ
• Optic Nerve program collected Yahoo webcam images in bulk
• 1.8m users targeted by UK agency in six-month period alone
• Yahoo: 'A whole new level of violation of our users' privacy'
• Material included large quantity of sexually explicit images
Britain's surveillance agency GCHQ, with aid from the US National Security Agency, intercepted and stored the webcam images of millions of internet users not suspected of wrongdoing, secret documents reveal.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/27/gchq-nsa-webcam-images-internet-yahoo
Speaking of 'bleeding', sounds like there was plenty of that to give the cops Probable Cause.
Anyone who has a problem with this particular case/scenario is a drug-riddled whackjob, whom I kindly ask to FOAD.
The circumstances in this case were abhorrent. I will agree.
But there is now Precedent Law.
If you are NOT GUILTY of any crime, then by a False Arrest it follows that the authorities can remove you from the premises, through the FALSE ARREST, and conduct a Warrantless Search Fishing Expedition.
That will be a VALID DEFENSE in any following Civil Litigation for the VIOLATION OF YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. You might be able to sue for False Arrest. But any claim against the LEA for the Search will be thrown out.
Of course that is okay...UNLESS IT HAPPENS TO YOU, right?
Probable what? There is a law for unins, and there is a law for weins, and they ain't the same law.
I think that rule also applies to vampires.
I am freaked out by who dissented in this. The world is upside down.
I am freaked out by who dissented in this. The world is upside down.
Me too. Maybe some of the liberals have woken up, while the conservatives are quickly making things worse.
All the DC clowns are actors in roles. Remember when Graham and McCain led the charge against water boarding? They did it to neuter real opposition. They were given roles. The Dems stood down to let them lead the moral charge, which of course petered out.
Just like Justice (sic) Roberts, alleged conservative, voting for Obamacare.
Lots of congress members get to play the role of moral opposition to some heinous action, because the votes have already been counted and us plebes get to think there are a few "good" politicians out there. Reform is always just the next election away.
I know your mind tunes out the strings after awhile, you can almost think "those puppets are real!".
Stay Frosty!
Agree, this story is a nothing burger.
If they have probable cause, there is a mechanism for transforming PC into a detention: It's called a fucking warrant.
JMP is an arrogant dick
Who’s actually as thick as a brick
3 weeks and 3 days
Like a jackass he brays
He’s earned another down click
USSA USSA USSA 'meriKa - Crank up the Toby Keith - They HATE us for our Freedoms!!!
they hate us cause we're us and they're them,they're richer,smarter,they wanna sya jump we jump,,til we don't
Everything works until it don't.........
They may be richer, but they are not smarter - sneakier for sure, but they are backed up by a large group of hired thugs who are less smart but good at doing what they are told. They also have the Judges in your pocket.
The playing field isn't just tilted, it's pretty near vertical.
You are free...to do as we tell you.
There is no playing field whatsoever. That has always been the illusion. Beginning to see it?
You have never had a chance. The Game is loaded. The outcome is assured...They did not bank upon their own CANNABALISM.
That is what will destroy the destroyers along with the rest of us. Cannabalism.
It is Survival of the Fittest in the Animal Kingdom. There is no hope in the Animal Kingdom whatsoever.
Now you can choose to opt out into another Kingdom where there is some hope.
But you do not want to make that choice, do you?
kick kill our dog
We've already got a zone where the 4th amendment is null which extends 100 miles inland.
Behold.
That is truly fucked, how did we sleep so long, we truly are boiling frogs methinks.
I've said it before and I'll say it again and again and again, the massacre of the Branch Davidians was an in your face wake up call and glimpse into the future of life in (north) america. Some argue it started with the ATF embarrassment at Ruby Ridge - another nazi state operation - but either way the premise for the raid was total BS, for fucks sake they shot Koresh's kid in the front yard like a dog as well as other kids in the house, as they were flying over firing down from helicopters - not to mention a couple of ex-bodyguards of Willie Cunton but the point being the constitution was fully fucked off on that day and all the days that followed - notice how far the press was held back from the scene of the crime. Who spoke up at that time, who even realized the true implications of those days, FBI thermal imagery clearly shows automatic weapons fire directed into the doorway where as it turns out most of the bodies were found as the davidians tried to escape the blaze - state murder on tape but who said anything - what came of the congressional hearings.
Anyway the shit show started a long time before George W Bullshit and this other Oreo fuckwit that lives in public housing now - nothing these assholes do now should be surprising.
+ 1000
And that is why I'm becoming an activist. Instead of running the hamster wheel we call voting booths I'm getting mad and taking to the streets. At least I can say two things: I'm serving my country, and I'm fighting back.
Kudos to you and the best of luck, don't know where you live or what your community is like but observing the lessons of Mike Ruppert, Sibel Edmonds and countless other actual patriotic Americans developing and educating the people closest to you is the key also the lessons of history should be well studied when dealing with fascist/communist or NWO regimes - expect no quarter from these jackbooted psychopaths. I truly believe the vast majority of ex military personnel - the ones who actually took thier oath to uphold and defend the constitution against all enemies seriously would be an asset. It's not impossible but in reality you are looking to break the MIC/Bankster Cabals grip on the seats of power and I think starting locally is your best chance to do that. In reality it all began small, family community, state, country...... just my $0.02.
Essentially your correct, now they can just go in and it doesn't matter anymore. These idiots don't understand what they are making, they truly think they will be protected once the police state is in full motion. The first thing a dictatorship does is to get rid of the useful idiots. Because in their mind if you where used once their competition could use you against them so it's in their best interest to get rid of them. Welcome to the end of the US of A, and people will wonder why why did it happen. You spent all your time fighting against people that don't look like you or gay marriage or whatever when you should have looked at your rights going out the front door. I've visited a police state before, trust me many of us would never ever want to live in it or even be able to survive in it. If your a pretty woman forget it, you get pressed into servicing a local poltician or cop and if not they destroy your family.
Exactly, the fat lady starts warming up for the FSA as soon as their vote is no longer needed.
The police officer will rape you and shoot your dog.
Police officer and former Mr Gay UK charged with male rape
"A police officer and former Mr Gay UK has been suspended after being charged with male rape and other sex offences."
Police shoot dog in St. Clair Shores after complaints about excessive barking
"'Friendly, loveable, playful,' said Brittany Preston as she described her dog Lexie. 'She was just my puppy.'"
"She says Grandpa has mild dementia and forgot he let the dog out. The dog started barking. Between the hours of 3:00 and 7:00 a.m. several neighbors sick of the noise called police."
"Preston says witnesses told her that as the dog cowered against the house – they kept shooting."
"'Eight shots in my dog is just horrendous,' said Preston."
you still have a gun...use it fool...it doesn't matter what kind of thug is breaking into your home...even if it wears a uniform...its still an armed thug and should be dealt with accordingly
Now the gun and badge thugs don't need a warrant to plant evidence. Well isn't that just swell?!
"Dear gun and badge thugs,
We're watching, we're listing and you will be held accountable."
no. thats not what the decision says or suggests, and btw, they can already plant drugs on you now... this doesn't change anything about corruption. any arrest to lead someone away has to stand up on its own or anything they grab gets tossed.
maybe not a great decision and shitty reasoning, but the common cold of bad cases coming out of this court, and wild misrepresntations, greenies notwithstanding, aren't doing anyone any good as to assessing when really, truly horrible decisions come down.
if citizens went the other way, which it almost did, the gov would have kept pushing and pusing and people would be in jail fo rdoing nothing more than making movies or writing books. Really.
You are actually reporting this as this comes from RT?
RT is a 100% owned by the governement Russian propaganda network.
You gotta be kidding me, TD. Get serious now and grow up!
C'mon in, boys- the door's unlocked.....
LOL
Yeah, i got some six pack in the fridge, some pornos on the shelf...feel free and help yourself, BOYS!!!!!!!!!!
Put that on the doormat,
"To the Police"
C'mon in boys- door's unlocked
@jcaz - absolutely!! hahaha this tune came to mind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nJNdtD-lPc
Might be amusing but it isn't. As soon as you said "C'mon in" you granted them right of entry. You are now no longer defending your home (Castle Doctrine) but committing murder when you kill the cops.
Leave the door unlocked, let them open the door and enter and then plug them as tresspassers. Make sure that multiple cameras are filming and uploading, Have a safe escape route and get to your lawyer before you are Dornered.
Even then you will have massive problems as they will try and charge you with any crime they can. They might even put some kiddie porn on your hard drive to get you locked up where you will have an "accident".
The Coast Guard can board any US flagged vessel anywhere, anytime, for no particular reason. On one big private power boat I worked on, the Coastie gang leader admitted he 'just wanted to see the inside'. No warrant, no probable cause..."Captain, stop the boat, please, so we can board".
If you have delivery crew helping to move the boat a long distance, and a Coastie finds a bit of weed in said crew member's stuff, they confiscate the boat. Only way the owner can get it back is to prove that the crew was sufficiently told 'no drugs on board' prior to the crew boarding.
If the boat is your domicile, tough luck. Doesn't matter.
I knew a professional diver and salvage guy who used to know the maritime rules like the back of his hand. Any time they did that to him he'd force them to board while they are under full steam as is allowed. They get tired of that pretty quick.
Civil forfeiture is quite a racket. Had a buddy get a Beretta 92FS confiscated on a bogus charge. Had to get a lawyer. All dropped. Go to get the gun back? What gun?
Took them a while to "find" it. Probably in the sock drawer of the arresting officer, who just happend to be the ex of the girl my buddy was dating. Hmmm.
pods
Former Coastie here. In boot camp one of my Company Commanders (I had three in my company) encouraged giving someone a hard time in the event that we were being disrespected during a boarding. After this was stated a resounding "aye aye" was made by most of my shipmates. Boot camp is where the problem starts.
You got that right, I use to sail on a passenger vessel into BH Me and we would get regular visits from the USCG once the passengers had disembarked - sorry but snot nosed jack boots is how they came across, most were cadet like specimens from the local gulag, hands on weapons pretty much the entire time they were onboard, very respectful speaking but always hands on weapons. Fuck me.
(By contrast the CCG inspections usually involved a drink of rum if you didn't happen to have it they usually did.... )
On a website that claims to oppose the police state, I find it utterly hilarious that my prior post about webcams got any downvotes at all. It does, after all, offer concrete advice that can be utilized to ever-so-slightly slow the encroachment of the electronic police state. It's not much, but it's something, and certainly more than I see in the way of advice around here. Bring on the downvotes, my friends.
Erm, I think you missed the story yesterday about NSA and the Brit equivalent intentionally disrupting online forums.
That is where many downvotes here probably come from. We also have a few trolls that appears and downvote all comments by long-term ZHers, probably working for the same outfits.
I most certainly did not, and that may indeed be where some are coming from. However, I think a more likely explanation is residiual anger from my contrarian rampage yesterday.
I know Ron Burgundy and you Sir, are no Ron Burgundy.
-jk
jmp's like the Energizer Bunny ... he keeps going, and going, and going ...
Shim's paid by the keystroke.
Or was it ego?
paid gov't shills do that...some of us here don't get paid per keystroke
I don't come to ZH for up votes, I come here because it's one of the few places where you can say almost anything (be nice to remove the almost - free speech and all that - Fight Club and all that) and have your argument taken seriously if you have something worth saying.
If you can't take someone saying something you don't like, I have little or no respect for you.
There are few critical thinkers around, but it seems that a fair number of those that do exist frequent ZH.
Thinking?! I'm do that. I think a lot about Milie Cyrus, Justin Bieber and that Bill Engval got robbed on DWTS. I also think that guns kill people.
/sarc
My latest critical thought:
Governments don't kill people, people kill people. Each and every on of us is 100% responsible for our own actions.
Trust in authority, which is really just 1 or a small group of people at any given time is just another form of brainwashing. When you trust someone based on the position they claim you are taking a chance that any one of the following may be true:
1. They could be in disguise.
2. They could be on a power trip.
3. They could be programmed.
4. They could be so stupid that no amount of reason will ever make sense to them.
5. They could be on drugs.
And last but certainly not least, they could be severely intimidated by the mere thought of confrontation and even more likely to overreact to the slightest perceived threat with deadly force.
I'm sure there are more. My point is that the, "He's just doing his job." excuse's days are numbered.
Even the ptb realize this and are robotizing weaponry as fast as they can in an effort to stay ahead of the trend.
jmp esp
duck tape that fucking NSA peeking hole and
fuck that gay obomber and his child raping satan overlords
Had tape over my laptop webcam when not in use since they came built in.
I use a layer of tape over foil & tissue to make my microphone pretty much non-functional.
I've been playing with computers since punch cards and have always assumed that if I can access a connected computer, said computer can be used to access mine and have acted accordingly.
People USED to take the piss.
I miss the punch cards. Used to hold them above my head and threaten to toss them across the room when mr miffed did something that truly seethed me. Funny he would instantly drop to his knees and agree to any demands. Those punch cards were worth their weight in gold for influencing any man in computers.
Miffed;-)
Evil, I say!
:-)
Electrical tape
It doesn't take long to dislike jmp esp's delusional self-importance.
It certainly made the first three pages of this thread unreadable.
When asked why America keeps droning rural villagers in Yemen, a local tribal elder remarked "they hate us for our freedoms."
You know it's coming bitchez!
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What about the fridge?
www.infowars.com/cia-head-we-will-spy-on-americans-through-electrical-ap...
That's the problem with these assholes on the courts. Exception after exception that only a trained lawyer can understand and elaborate on in a courtroom. The cops have a job, but human rights should trump all - the cops jobs, and "exceptions".
How long does it really take to get a warrant? 15 minutes? An hour? Less than a day certainly. There is no reason why they couldn't have waited.
"How long does it really take to get a warrant? 15 minutes? An hour? Less than a day certainly. There is no reason why they couldn't have waited."
Most make the same mistake in logic when thinking about their desire for not needing a warrant. First, always keep in mind that any and all actions by any and all government functionaries, pols and crats is always about "money and power." That just prevents confusion in the first place. It’s ALWAYS about money and power.
Next, the reason they don't want a warrant is so they don't have to list what they are supposedly looking for. This helps them have free reign to get you on whatever they find and/or can plant. Used to be, long ago they would have needed to list what crime(s) you were suspected of and what they were looking for. They were then limited to that scope. Now they can just come in and tear things apart until they find something, anything, they can use against you, or just say fuck it, and plant shit.
Often that is why there is a discrepancy in the amount of a drug found in a treasonous take down of someone. The gun and badge thugs will take part of the evidence and divide it up to be used for "drops" later. In that way they can boost their career "jacket" and the department can get more grants and things. Like a tank.
That is why they don't want to be bothered with warrants.
"My guillotine is warranted."
a warrantless search allows for incriminating evidence of ANY possible kind to be found... I posted earlier about South Australia's open warrents - they were used on an active political dissenter, his house was searched computers/mobile phones etc all taken including the neighbours mobile because he filmed it.
No cause for the search was given but once the computers and other files are checked the information can be shared with anyone including the tax man etc..... What's almost as bad as losing the presumption of innocence in our legal systems (Aust is way ahead), is that police no longer need to investigate and do police work... they can just retrospectively piece together "evidence" of crimes we did not even know we were committing.
The piece meal approach picks off the 'fringe', invites people to think 'where there is smoke there must be fire' and scares your associates into worrying they are next.... its impossible to fight back when you can't access your computer, can't tell your lawyer your 'crime' and suddenly your local community and police are eyeing you suspciously.
Its psychological death by a thousand cuts and fractures the family as different members start getting nervous and anxious about what's next. I am guessing that is the point, its mass intimidation one by one. Meanwhile our friends/family/neighbours in the police force are been psychologically manipulated inch by inch into fear based policing as each and everyone of us is being slowly criminalised from every angle.
But as people tell me "if you have nothing to hide...." only thing is I have nothing to hide, I obey every insane "law" to the best of my ability but I also actively speak out - that is now making me a dissadent who is apparently by consensus propoganda not fact anti-environment, anti-terrorism protections, anti-money laundering protections, anti-government.... in effect anti-community and therefore likely to be deemed in the future anti-social.
How the hell did I get from caring about the world other peoples kids (I have none) are inheriting to being on a bunch of anti-social watchlists?
Still ranting! What bothers me with all this BS is that because I eventually took the red pill and started seeing the propoganda I am no longer in the bigger group of people still debating blue/red 2 cheeks of the same arse etc instead I have slipped into an outer group that must be maligned for outlandish thinking (except here on ZH) and if that doesn't work, then intimidated by increasing controls applied with less and less legal recourse.
Until people step out of the tavistock bubble of mass media they do not realise their indifference to these mounting legal/regulatory mandates are violations and incredibly cruel to a growing number individuals. How do we get people to see that compassion and justice is not a fashion designer item like hem lines? Or that rights do not have to be traded nor, in most cases legislated and balanced with 'international' rights - give me strength which tin pot African leader voting in the UN has a desire to uphold inherent rights and common law? Now every developed nation is in a race to the bottom to exceed violations justified by self-serving emotive propoganda.... and the result will be exactly the same, only the time scales will differ.
I had the propaganda feed removed from our home in 2007. I thought that I was highly immune to its "charms" before I did so. However, a few months later, when visiting my fathers home where the propaganda box blares nearly 24/7, I realized how much more of their shit I was noticing than before--I hadn't been as immune as I thought.
Moral of the story: If you value your personal freedom and ability to think, and love your family, you will turn off the propaganda box--its poison.
For motivation, count the number of "Government Good" shows with law and order, legal, medical, etc. angles. Shows like Law and Order, CSI, etc. Not even reruns, but current shows. And then there are "reality" shows...
Part of the enjoyment of doing so is that when you call to do it, the surly propaganda supply company will be the nicest they have ever been to you as they try to get you to "reconsider."
911 Shaniqua: "911, what your emergency?
Newly awake sheeple: "I've been poisoned."
911 Shaniqua: "With what?"
Newly awake sheeple: "Television?"
First of all....this is the ZeroHedge of police state web sites. If I have no time but to read 2 web sites everyday.....it's ZeroHedge and Informationliberation
http://www.informationliberation.com/
Secondly......how much more of you going to take of this until there is an encricling of the Capital and the White House by a million people each....until Congress and the President sweat their balls off with worry for more than even their job?
Interesting, 4th paragraph. I thought someone was trying this in another state. Would be a hoot if it passed.
http://www.zdnet.com/utah-cant-quit-figure-out-how-to-deal-with-the-nsa-...
So THIS is how they'll get all the gold stackers have been putting away. Its all so obvious now....
RULES FOR USE OF WEB CAM
Tape a piece of paper to block the web cam when not in use.
When jerking off watching porn make sure to fire the money shot at the web cam. Then spit at the web cam and say FUCK YOU NSA BITCH
You might as well turn off all wifi routers too:
http://gcn.com/Articles/2013/07/03/Wi-Fi-signals-see-through-walls.aspx
They can use wifi signals interference patterns to 'see' through walls.
www.kingoftherepublic.com to sue the cunts behind the police state.
Sue the cunts behind the police state?! In the police state’s courts. Yeah, that will work. Not!
"I'm going to sue them alright, me and my lawyer Guillotine, Esq."
With a civil case we can least put the banskters before a court. With the criminal courts they don't even face charges.
I don't believe you will guillotine them. You are hoping for some sort of revolution, in which you don't play a part, but to shout on the sidelines. When everyone thinks that way, there is no revolution. There is only collapse.
You know what this means don't you? Ordinary citizens can bust into Pelosi's house any damn time they feel like it. Fair is fair, right?
Bust into Pelosi's house? And risk seeing that hag naked? I'd rather eat flaming rat vomit.
OK, how 'bout Feinstein? (throws up a little)
Mmmmmmm or Killary's Kankles - Kankles are HAWT!!! </sarc>
Try it. You aren't in that club pal.
So they can take into custody of anyone who refuses a search?
Not like they follow the rules anyways.
Let's hope more get shot crashing through doors. And no, I do not say that flippantly.
They only know power. Those jack booted motherfuckers only respect power, because, let's be honest, they are thugs.
pods
they still must have consent of one occupant.
Time to tape the parrot's beak shut.
I read about this yesterday, and immediately sat the kids down for a little chat. "If mommy and daddy say the police may not enter, then you must also say the police may not enter"...etc. Next thing you know, the Blue Thug Brigade will be saying "little Johnny gave us the okay to illegally enter the premises and search mommy's panty drawer, and the Supreme Court said that's fine".
I must say, I never thought Sotomayor and Kagan would write an opinion I agreed with. I'd applaud their logic, but they've fucked up so many other crucial decisions that it's sort of cancelled out.
Even blind donkeys find an acorn now and again....
They're all "captured". They simply take turns with the minority dissenting opinions to keep the Hegelian Dialectic moving forward.
My kids are trained NOT to call 911 or the police.
Often the police arrive BEFORE any ambulance and then enter without permission, warrant or anything else. Gives them free reign to beat you, shoot your dog, steal your stuff, plant "evidence" from their treasonous "war on drugs" (actually a civil war against Americans), and then seize your house.
If you doubt me, a casual search will reveal the truth.
"Dear Gun and Badge Thugs,
We know what your oath is even if you don't.
Cold regards,
Witness One"
"Now that's funny. I don't care who you are. That's funny."
Yeah, and that isn't that tough to get when they remove the head of household in cuffs.
Then they tell the frightened one left how much trouble the one removed will be in and if they let them search things will be fine, as the cops do not have to tell the truth.
Pick off the strong one then bully the weak one for consent.
Not sure why this was a case anyways, as there was probable cause for a search anyways as the guy clearly beat his girlfriend, if the report is correct.
As for evidence being admissible in another case, well that is for lawyers, but I can certainly see how this will set a precedent and get mangled into my scenario above.
pods
This precedent is BS, but if I was a cop and saw a bloodied woman and infant, I would call probable cause too.
This is also the RT report.
Gotta dig deeper.
You should deep digger. 30 years ago, and for all of human history, the bloodied woman was not a crime. The cops left domestic violence alone to allow two people to work things out w/o involving the state, prisons, jackal lawyers to suck you dry, and corrupt courts to monitor and control you while robbing you even more with court appointed ""Classes like anger management"", ""counselers"" and ""shrinks"". Now Domestic Viokence is the excuse to destroy the 4th Amendment.
I think the old system was better. Much better.
Huh. I bet all those women who got beat for all those years under the "older, better" system have a different opinion.
My opinion is this: men who hit their women should be shot dead. There is nothing on earth that would make me strike my wife, and she'd probably kill my ass if I tried.
men who hit their women should be shot dead.
Stop with the exagerrated beating nonsense.
You've been brainwashed by the feminists. Can you honestly say, if your wife attacked you, hitting her - to defend yourself and prevent more attacks - would be wrong? Under current law, you would be jailed and she walks. Oh, you'd also be homeless too, they give the home to her. You have to leave. She burns/sells/loses all your things, you can't do anything.
You should never have to hit the weaker sex. But women should not provoke men to violence either, and they routinely do it.
Provocation is no excuse.
Any man who strikes a woman in anger is a sackless lowlife dirtbag who deserves to be beaten to a bloody pulp repeatedly.
who deserves to be beaten to a bloody pulp repeatedly.
go fuck yourself with that hyperbole. Apparently you think excessive violence against males is just fine.
Cunt.
I have a question for you.
Let's suppose that you got MARRIED. And when you made your Wedding Vows that you actually believed in what you were speaking. That means that you are choosing to be a MAN OF YOUR WORD.
For better or worse, for richer or poorer, in sickness and in health...TILL DEATH DO US PART. That is the Man's VOW TO THE WOMAN. They are NOT MEANINGLESS WORDS. Let's suppose that you are a God Fearing and Go believing man. The only OUT from the marriage is HER INFIDELITY. God hates DIVORCE so Divorce is not an option...unless she cheats.
Let's suppose that YOU are driving a car at 65 m.p.h. down a crowded freeway and your wife BELTS YOU ACROSS THE FACE WITH A RIGHT HOOK...with a closed fist. to YOUR JAW.
She puts YOUR life at risk....if you lose control of that car.
She puts HER life at risk.
She puts many other people's lives at risk.
What if this happened TWICE? (The first time was one too many.)
Now if you call the cops and she goes down for DV then she loses her Fourth. If she lives with you then you also lose your Fourth.
She loses her Second Amendment as well as you do.
Law Enforcement is not the answer is it?
Divorce is not the answer. It is against God's Laws.
Now if she wants to behave as an IRRESPONSIBLE Child then I am going to paddle her ass...just like I will with a child who wrecklessly misbehaves. And I did many times.
She ended up cheating so I divorced her.
It was actually sad that a few years later she wanted to patch things up. (You cannot remarry according to the scripture. Once they are divorced then you are not allowed to remarry.)
She begged me to paddle her butt. I DID NOT AT THAT TIME.
She did not realize how good of a man that she married until she had lost that (I was a loyal provider, one who would not harm her but seek out that which was beneficial for her.) I did not ever beat her to a pulp nor would I ever. I do not abuse. There are degrees.
There is a difference between swatting an incalcitrant little brat and breaking bones. A man measures out the punishment and does not do that to inflict permanent harm or gross injury. He does it to provide a disincentive for self destructive behaviors in his children as well as his wife.
So do tell me, mangina, do you spank your children when they need it? Probably not.
You have no fucking clue, you feminist mangina.
Maybe I needed to allow that behavior to continue until the freeway was littered with corpses and injured.
"Provocation is no excuse."
Yeah. Right.
People who will Divorce over that are Married for convenience and that Marriage is a FARCE.
What will you do? Are you a Man? Are you a Man of your word? Do you keep your Wedding Vows? Or are you another fucking wannabe man, a Mangina? A feminist?
The only OUT from the marriage is HER INFIDELITY
In the KJ Bible, this is stated. It's an intentional mistranslation from the 1600's when King Henry wanted an excuse for divorce, so he got one with a corrupt translation.
The correct translation is illegal marriage, not valid in the first place, marriage to your own mother for example is not recognized by the Lord and you may divorce/annul it. Adultery does not matter
Marriage is permanent if it is valid. Yes, you are still married to the first wife. No matter how many times she strays, there is no way out. That's why the Apostles were so unhappy in the Bible after Jesus told them this.
There is no need to "remarry", as GOD knows you are still married. Simply forgive her and allow her back in. The Bible story of Hosea may interest you here.
I have lost track of her and it is a little too late. (Perhaps I should have just paddled her butt. Things may have turned out different...She may have been willing to submit. I do not know. I will not ever know here on Earth.)
Yes the KJV is poorly translated in parts but it is clearly translated in the Levitical Law.
If I were to go into the whole subject of Marriage and Divorce, what constitutes Marriage, and the whole then I would be opening a can of worms that I do not want to do here. Personally I like to read it in Greek.
I have forgiven her. I do still love her. It was MY UNFAITHFULLNESS. I may have not commited Sexual Adultery but I lacked Faith that she would change.
But she has disappeared. But what is past can no longer be. I am nearing the end of my stay on this planet. I thank God for Grace because under the Law I am condemned. Through Grace I am saved. That is my hope.
I will read about Hosea....again.
Peace.
"Now if you call the cops and she goes down for DV then she loses her Fourth. If she lives with you then you also lose your Fourth. She loses her Second Amendment as well as you do."
Yup, it is set up that way. "Call us, we'll 'help'." Then they start looking for excuses to steal shit, "seizure," extract wealth via arrests and fines, planting evidence, and failing that, just plain beating the shit out of you and yours. And do you really want them access to your computer to plant heavens knows what?!
Happens so much, that when I went to find a particular case where the gun and badge thugs arrested and brutalized the (white) woman caller, I found too many results to wade through.
Search for: woman calls police is arrested and beaten by cops at jail
"Pols and crats can make the tyranny, but it is their goons that implement the tyranny."
Violence against ANYONE is inexcusable. If a man is struck by a woman he has complete rights to defend himself. I have never been struck by a man. Let's just say it would never happen twice if i lived. However, I would never provoke a stallion. I once came home to my husband beating a metal garbage can to bits over a horrible day at work. I was amazed my seemingly quiet and reserved husband could do such damage and had new respect for the physical strength and focus of an angry man. Woman don't understand the power of testosterone unleashed.
Miffed;-)
Violence against ANYONE is inexcusable.
The world simply does not operate that way. There is a time for everything and on occasion the only method to destroy or control evil or evil actions is violence. Last resort? Absolutely....but evil will push and push until you have no other choice.
JLee,
I should have prefaced that better. I have been a violent person. I was jumped by my husband, smashed against a wall after a particularly bad outburst. Many of these, believe it or not, I don't remember. I thank god he did what he did or innocent people would have been hurt. I was beaten unconscious by my parents numerous times. I'm am mostly deaf in my right ear because of these beatings. I got help and am no longer like this. What I did was wrong and there is no excuse, only beg for forgiveness. Yes, violence is necessary at times. But unprovoked violence which I did was absolutely wrong. Violence against evil is justified.
Miffed;-)
Did you read my post, Miffed?
What would you have done? I did not punch her back while driving at 65 m.p.h., nor, would I. I do not think that punching a woman is correct nor do I believe that slapping her face is appropriate. Her bottom is fair game.
You had children, right? Did you spank their butts when they acted out in self destruction?
I did not directly have children but I am an Uncle. If the kiddos acted out then they got their rumps popped. I spanked one Nephew ONCE. My niece was more stubborn and she got it three times. (In all of those many years that was all that was needed.)
He has been in College since he was Sixteen (Now Eighteen), extremely respectful and responsible, and is working on his Pilot's License.
She is in Honors Classes and finishing her Junior Year. (Now she wants to be a Marine Biologist. Damn. I miss her when she was still a baby.)
I love both of them and I think that I have done a fine job.
As I told them that if they want their butts popped then they only have to do something that scares the hell out of me. Having them harmed is frightening.
Now they are Atypical Teens as I only expected excellence from them. And I got what I expected.
Yes Tom, I did read it and yes it brought up some horrible reminders of my personal past. Please realize I do not judge you. I cannot. For to do so would be to judge myself. Someone told me they hoped God was just. I disagreed. For if God were just, where would we all be? I am praying for mercy.
I cannot fault your actions when dealing with a violent spouse. I was such a spouse. My husband never hit me back even though it would have been justified. He just stopped me. Luckily, I did not do violent to him in a dangerous situation as was done to you. My outbursts were predictable and were only provoked when I was reminded of a horrible event of my past. My husband got to a point where he could see what was going to happen before I did. When my rationality returned, he would describe what happened and what I did. To this day, I can only remember snippets. So if you were to have beaten me for what I had done,it wouldn't have worked in my case. I was going mad and Drs wanted to prescribe meds. I was fortunate to have met a wonderful cognitive psychologist who helped me solve my problems. Between her patient work and my loving husband, they saved me.
I did spank my children on the butt many times. Mostly my eldest. She was extremely defiant and strong willed so a spank on the butt and a cool off time in her room was very common. My youngest was very passive aggressive and spanking doesn't work in that case. Both are well adjusted and at 21 and 24 are doing very well considering what a horrible mother they had during much of their lives.
I am terribly sorry you had your wife betray the most sacred of trusts. I am so thankful this didn't happen in our marriage. My husband was an integral part of my healing, I am eternally thankful and could never betray him.
Please know I intuitively feel and empathize with you. Everyday I fight grief and guilt. It is as if your skin is roughened with sand paper and the sadness of others heightens your own sensations. I know how hard it is to forgive yourself though others may have forgiven you. Do not judge yourself my friend. Work on forgiving yourself for doing what you did. At the time, there were few options and you did your best. I harbor no ill will towards you. I know in your heart you are a very kind and loving man that is carrying a heavy burden. Let it go and feel the love you deserve. And I hope there is someone in your life now that can help you heal.
Miffed;-)
Fuck that. Never hit a woman yet in my life. Don't plan to either but I have had this conversation with many women. Most agreed, if a woman wants to hit someone, then they deserve to get hit back. It is a 2 way street, mutual respect and all that. If the woman brings the violence then she gets to sleep in the bed she made.
Wife beating is a common thing.
Over 20 years ago a study in France found that 13% of men beat their wives,
The same study found that 14% of men are beaten by their wives.
These days the man can get hauled through the wringer, the woman almost never. Even if she kills the man she can claim "Battered Wives Syndrome", the dead guy can't testify that she is lying and Prosecutors are usually statists under the thumb of ""womyns" lobby groups so they are reluctant to prosecute. Women even claim PMT as a defence and walk free.
If the police in this case pressured the woman to consent to the search then the evidence should be tossed out as it was obtained under duress.
Yeah, and like I'm sure all those folks beat, shot, smothered, kicked, slapped, punched, pepper-sprayed, whacked, tortured, hog-tied, etc. by the unrestrained gun and badge thugs have a different opinion too.
I would bet that Kelly Thomas, John T. Williams, Luiz Rodriguez, Jose Guerena and many, many more would also have a different opinion too.
I would bet that the thousands and thousands imprisoned due to gun and badge thug lies, torture and corruption would have a different opinion too.
"Dear gun and badge thugs,
Keep your oath, Article 3, Section 3, and Nuremberg IV in mind.
The American people are watching and listening."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Kelly_Thomas
Jesus that is fucking awful.
pods
I don't know how it is in America but in Scotland an ex-army friend of mine heard his downstairs neighbor beating his wife again so he went downstairs and knocked his teeth out with a golf club. It went to court but charges against him (my friend) were dropped. The wife beater saw jail time.
In some states it's already legal to shoot them coming through the door. No knock, dead cop. Of course this won't slow them down, they'll just start using their 'donated' military hardware to drive through the front door and over everyone in sight.
David Koresh Style, eh?
DaddyO
They painted over the US Army markings on the tanks.
Time for a Waco refresh.
Koresh, despite being a whack job, and maybe some other things, is a personal hero of mine. He stood his ground, "right and duty," and took some of the federal gun and badge thugs with him. Awesome! Just Awesome!
Now for those not in the know: The Davidians were a group of people residing on a farm outside Waco, Texas in 1993. The criminals of the DC US ATF found out about them and decided to use them for a PR and propaganda stunt for their upcoming budgetary hearings--that is why there were so many reporters and cameras during the initial assault on the Davidians.
Koresh got wind of what was developing and called the local gun and badge thugs to try to arrange a sit down meeting. The Feds would have nothing of it, as they needed their “film-at-eleven” war. The Davidians resisted the treasonous assault on their home later that day. They lost 6 while taking out 4 of the aggressors.
For 51days the Feds, ATF and FBI, along with posse comitatus violating military hacks, continued to lay siege to the Davidian compound--"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them..."
On the 51th. day the Feds assaulted the compound again, lit it on fire, used two snipers in the rear to prevent escape from the inferno and blew up the so-called "block house" building.
The Feds killed 76 men, women and children. Most of the women and children were killed not by the Feds' deliberately set fire but by the Feds' bomb on the "block house" roof.
Note: I don't know or care about David Koresh's issues, beliefs or of his followers. I only care that they were treasonously aggressed against by agents of the DC US and state of Texas.
“Will they fire upon us?! They already have at Kent State, at Ruby Ridge, at Waco…”
Waco is all the evidence I need to conclude there won't be any sort of revolution in America.
No, guilliotines won't roll, nobody will be "held accountable", and there certainly won't be any return to the constitution.
Ameicans just don't have the guts. Lots of of guns but no guts.
America will be the first communist nation where the people have 400 million guns. A first in human history.
And "will be" is debabtable. I think we're already there, the legal framework is already in place.
People just don't recognize it yet.
One example is the increasing number of "reasons" to strip away your right to own guns. And many more will be added under Zerocare (the biggest leap into communism in Ameirca's history).
That's why Zerocare is defended so strongly by Dems. It's their big push into full-fledged communism. Masquerading as a "healthcare plan".
That course of action will have 2nd and 3rd order effects that all are a lose-lose for the regime. They have no way to win this unless they can re-brainwash everyone. They're losing on that front as well.
Respectfully disagree. See DaddyO's post above. I was in Philly when they burned 60 homes to the ground, killing 5 kids and 6 adults(MOVE). They repeated it at WACO only bigger. Did you see what happened in Boston? They not only do get away with it, they get worse every time and the majority of this country is brainwashed and remains so. I only have to talk to certain neighbors and friends to remain certain that the bright, glowy screens in their homes and hands do the work quite well for the establishment.
That's the funny thing about complex systems. They can go from stable to critical in a microsecond. It applies to an avalanche, a forest fire, hyperinflation or a Ukranian revolution. Though the result may vary greatly based on where you live.
Once the preconditions are set, it's just a matter of time and a question of severity.
There are lots of people who know what is going on now. Strangers I meet suprise me with how informed they are. It's growing exponentially. The fact that the Tea Party, was co-opted, Occupy was co-opted and sabotaged, the Ron Paul presidential campaign was sabotaged, and throw on top the NSA revelations... They've bought time at a precious cost. Things are getting pretty hairy.
It's just like the M1-M3 money supply. Eventually that will come loose, then look out! It's also likely that one (printed money) will trigger the other.
If this was snow pack on a mountain, I wouldn't get anywhere near it. They can try to de-fuse it (highly unlikely), or it will eventually be triggered. God help us all.
I don't know. After seeing that Ukrainian crowd take out that armored vehicle with fire bombs I've realized there may be some hope. We outnumber them. It's not the size of the dog in the fight but the size of the fight in the dog.
Miffed;-)
Keeping us "Afraid" is their best weapon, if folks really understood how much POWER we the people have IF we choose to use it this would be over quickly. But not without a lot of blood and suffering in the interum though, and that is what most people fear, getting their hands dirty. Sooner or later we are going to have to make a Stand, I am not saying I am encouraging this, but you gain NOTHING without a Struggle.
Courage is needed when you have something worth losing. When there is nothing left to lose, fighting to a bloody death is easier. The transition from one to the other is where you will discover the quality of those around you.
Miffed;-)