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Putin To Use Military In Ukraine
Current US foreign policy in a nutshell: Barack Obama tells Vladimir Putin "there will be costs" if Russia invades Ukraine. What does Putin do? He invades Ukraine. Only this time it's official: AP reports that the Kremlin says Russian President Vladimir Putin has asked parliament for permission to use the country's military in Ukraine. Putin says the move is needed to protect ethnic Russians and the personnel of a Russian military base in Ukraine's strategic region of Crimea.
From the Kremlin website:
Vladimir Putin made an appeal to the Council of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation.
“In connection with the extraordinary situation in Ukraine, the threat to the lives of citizens of the Russian Federation, our compatriots, the personnel of the military contingent of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation deployed in the territory of Ukraine (Autonomous Republic of Crimea) in accordance with an international treaty, and pursuant to Article 102-1(d) of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, I hereby submit to the Federation Council of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation a letter on the use of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in the territory of Ukraine pending normalisation of the public and political situation in that country"
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Putin also appointed Deputy Foreign Minister Grigory Karasin to be his official representative in the Federation Council when it considers his letter.
Earlier in the day, the Federation Council asked Putin to take “exhaustive measures” to protect Russians in Ukraine.
“We have urgently summoned the house Council and thought it necessary to make a statement assessing the current situation in Ukraine,” Federation Council Chairperson Valentina Matviyenko said.
She said a group of Russian senators, who had visited Crimea, had informed their colleagues about the situation in the Ukrainian autonomy and specifically in Sevastopol, the home base of the Russian Black Sea Fleet.
“Today there is a real threat to the life and security of Russian citizens living in Ukraine. There is a threat to our military in Sevastopol and the Black Sea Fleet, and I think that Russia should not be a bystander,” she said.
The main purpose of the Federation Council’s appeal to the president is to urge him “to take exhaustive measures, all possible measures, to ensure the security of our citizens living in Ukraine, help our brotherly Ukrainian people achieve stabilisation and channel the current crisis into a civilised legal track so that the agreements that were signed by the opposition leaders and the head of state were implemented strictly,” Matviyenko said.
She noted that members of the Federation Council “asked the president to take exhaustive measures to prevent further escalation and put the resolution of the political crisis onto a legal track so that those who have grabbed power did not hurry so much and did not trample upon the rights of people and different regions of Ukraine.”
“The agreement [of February 21] clearly determined the sequence of steps. A constitutional reform first - it was supposed to be carried out with broad participation of public and political forces and regions in order to work out a consensus-based document that would be supported by all people in Ukraine. According to international practices, such serious documents should be adopted in a national referendum,” Matviyenko said.
Having expressed regret that this had not happened, she noted that “the speed with which presidential elections have been announced [in Ukraine] puts its legitimacy in question.”
“The agreement calls for forming a government of national accord, which means that it should include representatives of all political forces. In reality we see that the government, which was approved to the stomping of the Maidan, did not include all political forces and was formed from opposition parties only,” Matviyenko observed.
She also said that “the heads of regions were not summoned for consultation.” So “we can understand why there are protests in regions, except for Western regions of Ukraine,” she added.
Matviyenko called for finding “a calm, civilised and legal solution to the crisis” and stressed that “there is no need to demonstrate high political and diplomatic culture in this case because we can see that this is neither appreciated nor understood, and most importantly the security of people will not be ensured.
RIA further adds, the military use is virtually assured as it was leaders of Russia’s upper and lower houses of parliament who first called Saturday on President Vladimir Putin to stabilize the situation in Crimea and protect Russian citizens. The leader of Federation Council, Russia’s upper house, said the use of military force in the former Soviet nation could be justified after the opposition swept into power in Kiev last weekend.
More from the RT:
“In this situation it would even be possible, on the request of the Crimean government, to bring in a limited contingent [of troops] to guarantee security,” Valentina Matviyenko said.
The partition of Ukraine has become increasingly likely in recent days as heavily armed men understood to be Russian soldiers have taken control of key facilities and blocked roads in Crimea.
About 60 percent of the residents of Ukraine’s southern peninsula are ethnic Russians with the remainder of the population made up of Ukrainians and Crimean Tatars, who largely support the incoming regime.
The State Duma, Russia’s lower house, released a similar statement Saturday that said must Putin bring the situation in Ukraine under control.
“All available means” should be deployed to protect Russian citizens, said Sergei Naryshkin, a former head of the presidential administration and the current parliamentery speaker in the Duma.
The Crimea has been visited by a series of Russian Duma deputies in recent days, including former boxing champion Nikolai Valuev, former figure skater Irina Rodnina, and the first woman in space Valentina Tereshkova.
Pro-Russian protests calling for secession have taken place sporadically across the southern and eastern Ukraine since President Viktor Yanukovuych was toppled from power a week ago.
Meanwhile, international media has reported widespread military movements, believed to be units from Russia's Black Sea fleet headquartered in Crimea, including tanks and helicopters that began on Tuesday. Ukrainian officials have accused the Kremlin of provoking conflict and called on Russia to return all soldiers to their bases.
And then this:
- RUSSIAN FEDERATION COUNCIL AGREES TO PUTIN'S REQUEST FOR MILITARY INTERVENTION IN CRIMEA - DPA
The breakdown of the final vote:
Meanwhile:
Balaclava now. The entrance to the coast guard base pic.twitter.com/s2p6v157m5
— Daniel Sandford (@BBCDanielS) March 1, 2014
Needless to say all of this is just for show: as we have been reporting for the past 4 days, Russian troops have long since been in Ukraine.
More importantly, it appears Putin is not very concerned about the impact his actions will have on equity futures when they open for trading on Sunday evening: but... but... the artificial "on paper" wealth effect. On the other hand, he certainly has a lot of concern to keep geopolitical events of the type that keep the price of crude high, always at arms length.
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Probably, but if you start irritating the Russians too much they just liquidate you.
The Bolsheviks were responsible for the atrocities and they were not ethnic Russians.
I think you will find that historically, Russia has been quite heavy handed even under the Tzars.
If you look at history you will see that you are splitting hairs.
Many 'ethnic Russians' enjoyed the fruits of the mass murders and helped in the process.
no doubt. They will get where they want one way or another. Doesn't matter how, only that it happens.
Don't think for one minute that this is Putin acting alone, such naivete is what TPTB foster and adore.
DaddyO
Must be Israel's paid posters who down voted you.
Mossad is alive and well here at ZH
and, more than a few people are deceived by appearances... after all deception is the weapon of choice.
Morons are alive here at ZH.
Hi there!
Hey! Don't forget us Wiccans!
Or else..
European-american - counting the red arrows, clearly there are at least 5 Mossad trolls online on this post right now
Them, plus a few of us who are tired of wading through the lunatic fringe's rants about how the Rothschilds are whispering orders into Putin's ear, and wonder why these whack jobs don't just go full retard and start blaming it all on freakin' Xenu or the grey aliens already. FFS.
The grey aliens are here?!!
Sure, just ask the next lizard-person you see! :>D
The US tried to stage a coup in Ukraine and Vlad won't have it. Let's see what our Constitutional lawyer and boy king does next.
Does anyone see the irony in Obama talking up freedom and democracy as he shreds our rights at home? Or how the US is allowed to attack sovereign nations, leave civil war in our wake- Afghanistan, Libya, and Iraq, and sow financial chaos- unpunished, without international uproar?
Americans have an idolatrous belief that anything done by their "leaders" is pristine and pure if it happens overseas."If it wasn't right, they wouldn't do it."
It's blatant insanity, but it has roots.
What a idiotic thing to say.
Have you ever even met an American?
There are a group of automatons looking for their government check that may or may not believe what our 'leaders' say and do, but all they really care about is the free shit the government gives them by confiscating the fruits of hard working individuals.The rest of us are fed up with the greed, corruption and communists rife in our government - and have been for some time.
I know, I know; I am F'd, I spoke out and even used the word 'individual' - I'm F'd.
The US did not stage a coup but you are right on the rest of this.
There has been many an uproar from the rest of the world because of the US's actions but as obama is finding out now, 'might makes right' and Putin has the 'might', obama - not so much. He is looking for the choom gang about now.
letsa hope ther is a military
"Does anyone see the irony..."
No. I see treason. So does my guillotine.
Yes, I'm sure the people of the Ukraine are thanking him for that very thing this morning.
/sarc
The confidence men silly.
And if it's not legal, Putin "will MAKE it legal!" /Palpatine
ok ok lemme get this straight...
- Soviet Union collapses, Crimea becomes part of newly independent Ukraine
- Crimean Tatars return from exile and settle back in Crimea
- Crimean parliament passes first Crimean consitution and declares Crimea part of Ukraine
- directly on the heels of that Crimea annulls proclamation of self government
- Russia and Ukraine agree to split the Black Sea fleet and form the Ukrainian Navy
- Crimean constitution is scrapped by Ukraine after President of Crimea is removed for promoting integration with Russia
- Russia starts handing out passports to the people of Crimea
- anti-Ukraine protests in Crimea started by ethnic Russians, who request that Russia exercise the precedent of treating Crimea like South Ossetia and Abkhazia
I'm starting to get the feeling that treaties, agreements, and borders don't mean jack shit in this neck of the woods... said it before and I'll say it again, let Russia have its duck pond and precious gas fields... hell, let him invade and take over all of Ukraine... all he's doing is taking the bait, you'd think a guy who supposedly "plays chess" while everyone else plays "checkers" would recognize a sacrifice play when he sees one
Time to "pivot" to Asia.
Putin does not give a shit about any Laws. He is a thug, thief, and a terrorist.
Does Putin care about Russians or Ukrainians? No, Putin cares only about the Jewish/Zionist oligarchy that controls both Russia and Ukraine.
Next. Russia has very small arm forces but it has nukes. Russia's arm forces are less than 3/4 of million and no strategic reserves. Why? Putin and his zionist masters are afraid of a military takeover. But Putin has more than 1 million of internal security forces since he is terribly afraid of his its own people.
Finally, the world is moving fast to WWIII. Can Obama handle it? I don't think so. WE are too busy supporting Al-Qaeda in Libya, Syria, and Afghanistan. By getting friendlier with Iran with its hugh oil and gas reserves, the West can starve Russia to death but the US oligarchy more cares about Israel rather that American vital geopolitical interests!
Today, we are facing the Cuban Crisis#2. Unfortunately, Obama is not John Kennedy. Stupid American people have elected a President who is totally incapable of protecting American vital national interests but he is too busy printing money to support his welfare and homosexual friends and fighting illegals wars in Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, etc.,
My fellow Americans, we are in a mortal danger!
"America's arm forces are less than 3/4 of million and no strategic reserves. Why? Obama and his zionist masters are afraid of a military takeover. But Obama has more than 1 million of internal security forces since he is terribly afraid of his its own people."
Fixed it.
"We need a homeland security force just as big as our military." (paraphrased)
apparently putin did not hear that obama will make him pay for this move. I too am a little unclear. will this payment be in notes of debt, assets with real value or in our children's blood?
Putin wil gladly pay us tommor for his hamburger today. Or maybe we'll get a bag full of AOL shares.
The USA should have saved this one for the next Russian leader, preferably a Jimmy Carter version.
Now they've shot their load in the Ukraine and somehow its all over their face, just like Syria.
Putin alread pulled Obama's bluff in Syria, so he knows he has no stomach for conflict. Game over. Putin was smart to wait until the games were over.
IF Putin would play chess against Obama he would win like Kasparov against an amateur
03.01 BREAKING-Watch the UN Security Council Session on the Ukraine Crisis Live Here
It would be more entertaining to watch the SEC pr0n channel(s)!
Not the US. Here, the prez walks in and tells Congress what happened at the press conference.
How quaint, Putin actually asks permission.
How staesmanlike and constitutional of him.
What do you mean, would it be better if he just issued an Executive Order?
>> actually asks permission.
If I'n not mistaken, he's asking permission after the troops are already there.
I think this was permission for a much wider intervention than just the Crimea,
The Crimea doesn't even count because of the leases.
This is for the rest of the Ukraine IMO.
Agreed. I think he is going after all of Ukraine. Barry will certainly talk about how the line has been crossed.
Barry (and Reggie) quickly studying maps to draw a new redline
Barry sure would love to have Hitler's Pencil of Doom to draw moar lines with:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyWdzl6tyAI
"there is no need to demonstrate high political and diplomatic culture in this case because we can see that this is neither appreciated nor understood"
A bit highfalutin for Barry's SoTU reading/speach levels, but at least they were polite about it...
Winny:
Is Ukraine an asset or a liability to Putin in the long run? Other than farmland and some timber, it is a country without resources and competitive industry. Ukraine is broke to boot.
And it's not even clear what Ukrainians want. Hell, it isn't even clear just what a Ukrainian is.
The people on one side of the Dnieper want one thing, the ones on the other side want two things and the Crimeans want three things.
Let's see if Putin can sort it all out.
There's a 'slight' difference between placing the troops and actually using them. Read the headline again...
Crimea is in Ukraine, silly.
If it was in Russia, as the "Down Arrow Red Brigade" think it is, nobody would complain.
"It is UNLIKELY that we will see any actual clash between Russia & the West
until AFTER October 2014"
http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/03/01/ukrainian-propaganda/
sorry if this was already posted I was busy reading my BTC horoscope....
Years of inept, corrupt, myopic, and psychopathic leadership has left the US (and Europe) in a position where they are unable to alter these events when a sizable, strong, and determined country opposes them. Even if Russia, China, Iran (fill in the blank) cannot match the US in a conventional fight, it matters not. There will be no conventional fight between those with "the bomb", only proxy fights.
The hand was exposed in Afghanistan, Iraq, and recently Syria (in a big way). There are no consequences that can alter the path of a formidable opponent from this point. While weak countries can be militarily defeated, occupation leads to subsequent demoralization, insolvency, and various forms of defeat for the victor. It always has. Expect Russia and China to run roughshod in the coming years, rightly or wrongly, until they make the same errors.
Banksters wishing to rule the world
always have to weaken the power of the strongest opponent,
from the inside.
How come Russian leaders and politicians act in their country and their peoples best interests while we get a bunch of inbred corrupt warmongering lying sacks of shit?
>> act in their country and their peoples best interests
Are you saying it's in the US's best interst to send troops?
yes, they should send troops back home to the United States of America where they can defend their country's borders.
But that would be racist... Mexicans told me so... in spanish.
USA borders are there to keep people in, not keep people out.
"How come Russian leaders and politicians act in their country and their peoples best interests while we get a bunch of inbred corrupt warmongering lying sacks of shit?"
Because the American people have discovered that they can successfully vote themselves largess from the public treasury. The rest is history, so to speak.....loose fiscal policy, corruption, dictatorship. Not that this has ever happened before.
This.
Oh, +1 for the de Tocqueville reference. He had it figured out all the way back in 1835.
I don't think it is so much for people....but for limiting and taxing goods....
But you didn't understand it because you are an American supremacist, emperor of the World and speaker of the language of the only nation that truly matters.
Speaking of Mexicans....I don't know what to make of this.http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=15f_1393628931
If this is indeed real and not some spoof made by bored stoners in Arizona or something, seems to me the CIA has a big manpower problem in Syria. The CIA presents the bottom of the barrel baller and the shit for brains cholo.
The USA wants to create a world government that acts on bankers behalf.
If only it was that organized.
These current morons have no contingency for anything as they do not plan any further ahead than where they get their next shipment of legal Colorado weed.
Did you ever see a US government run more like a petty personal enterprise? I think not.
the people manipulating the U.S. government have been planning current events for a very long time. the puppets in government are too stupid to even realize that they are puppets.
A few years back I'd have laughed at this statement. What I now believe is that there is already a de facto world government and that the USSA is acting just as a duped enabler.
Obama's administration is run by a vindictive ex real estate lady. Perhaps Val & Vlad should hold a summit?
What told you this....was it the installation of an interm PM to Ukraine who is an Ex-Central Banker....
http://www.infowars.com/central-banker-appointed-as-prime-minister-of-uk...
Anyone who can't see the influence of the banking cartel is simply not looking.....Eyes Open!
What you mean. US has best politicians money can buy.
Wrong... The US has the best politicians that printed money can buy.
Lol all bullish for the s and p..
Global Hunter
The Russian leaders are not acting in their peoples' best interest. They are acting in their own self interest. The only thing that will lift the Russian people out of poverty is increasing the amount of commerce that goes on - whether it is with Ukraine or anyone else. Hence commerce is anti-war.
War increases poverty. You don't make new capital goods by breaking capital goods.
If Russia were to somehow increase their sphere of domination to say, Africa or the Middle East, then they would have more humans and commodities under their command. That's not good for the people. It's good for the rulers.
Do you see?
How come Russian leaders and politicians act in their country and their peoples best interests while we get a bunch of inbred corrupt warmongering lying sacks of shit?
Because that's what WE GOT, Simple!
What? Why we have the bestest and brightest here in the USA...
Ousted Ukrainian President Yanukovych Surprised by Putin's Silence
By Matthew Bodner
Feb. 28 2014 21:07
Last edited 21:07
(Updated Feb. 28, 2014, 9:15 p.m.)
Deposed Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych on Friday held a news conference in the southern Russian city of Rostov-on-Don in which he said that he has not been ousted and expressed surprise at President Vladimir Putin's seemingly withdrawn approach to the crisis.
"Knowing the character of Vladimir Putin, I am astonished that he is still keeping quiet with such restraint," Yanukovych said.
Putin has been conspicuously silent on Yanukovych's removal, and it could be telling that the conference was held more than 1,000 kilometers from Moscow and that no high-level Russian officials were present.
Yanukovych seemed to be unsure of the status of his relationship with Putin at this point. He said that he talked to Putin by telephone after he arrived in Russia, but did not know when a face-to-face meeting would take place.
He said that he left Ukraine because of a direct threat to his life and the lives of his family members, and that he intends to return to Ukraine as soon as their safety can be guaranteed. However, he has no plans to run in the presidential election called by the interim government for May 25, describing it as “illegal.”
“I did not run, I moved from Kiev to the city of Kharkiv,” he said. “During my move I was shot at by automatic weapons. The car that covered me was effectively shot at from all sides.” His journey took him to Donetsk and later Crimea before he eventually got to Russia with the help of “a patriotically-minded young officer." He was then taken in by an “old friend.”
Yanukovych spent the majority of the news conference trying to paint a picture of a caring ruler unjustly deposed by what he continually referred to as a small band of radical nationalists and outright fascists who are occupying positions of power “through fear and terror.” He also placed the blame for the violence in Kiev on the West, accusing it of irresponsible politics and of encouraging the Maidan, the focal point of the street protest movement in Kiev.
Ukraine's Prosecutor General's Office said Friday in a statement that it will ask Russia to extradite Yanukovych, who has been placed on an international wanted list on charges of mass murder. More than 80 people died in Kiev last week in clashes between Euromaidan protesters and police, with live rounds being used on both sides.
Though Yanukovych admitted to being ashamed for “lacking the strength to maintain stability,” he did not take any responsibility for the killings. He said that he did not give orders for protesters to be shot and that the decision to arm the police with combat weapons was made purely in the interests of self-defense.
The police “stood there with no weapons. They were hit with molotov cocktails, they were shot at, some were killed … they were innocent people and they suffered,” he said.
He initially dodged questions concerning his mansion, which was found abandoned last Saturday and featured a botanical garden, a petting zoo, and a replica pirate ship, and has since become a monument to the alleged corruption of his regime. In the end, he flat out denied that the property was his and said that the photos being shown were merely an attempt to discredit him.
When asked about the situation in Crimea, where armed men have blockaded two airports, Yanukovych said that “everything that is happening now in Crimea is a natural reaction to the gangster coup in Kiev,” though he said that Crimea should remain part of Ukraine and that he opposes outside military intervention.
“Any military action in this situation is unacceptable,” he said. “I am not planning to turn to Russia for military support. I believe Ukraine should remain united and undivided.”
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/ousted-ukrainian-president-ya...
It must be painful when the big fish kleptocrat discovers he is actually just a prawn in a much larger pond. Hopefully this pawn will be sacrificed to preserve others in the larger chess match.
Yes, I think you (and bitHedge) have nailed the nature of this. Yanukovych is out of the loop because he retreated at the time he should have fought and won, and now he's left Putin with this gawd awful collapse in the lines.
Putin can't use him again. There's nothing left to talk about with him.
Time to get people who will fight to re-establish that lines and hold them, and that is exactly what Putin just asked for, and got approval for.
Yanukovych's believed it was OK to just save his own skin in that circumstance, but that was the very opposite of what Putin and his Moscow's cadre had expected or hoped to occur. He was expected to hold the line, or die in the effort as he called for backup. The Olympics next door just complicated and delayed Putin's intervention. Now his former man in Kiev is just an embarrassment who needs to go away.
Perhaps Putin was waiting for a legal request to assist to restore order, or he figured he could wait until the Olymics were over, but it was too late. Putin wanted a request for assistence, as with Afghanistan, in 1979, but it was too late.
Putin had also miscalculated, he'd presumed Yanukovych would do the logical thing if it came to this, and that he would continue to hang-on until the Olymics were over and had dissipated.
Thus it would appear Putin is intending to take Crimea, to also cower Kiev and to eliminate any Western forces that attempt to intercede or interfere in this.
This is a nasty situation, Putin can not and will not back down.
My suspicion is that Yanukovych is effectively under house arrest, and not free to leave his current protective custody, since there are two relatively straight forward legal arguments that he has not been properly impeached, which would give Putin's diplomats and their lawyers latitude to negotiate.
Remember what Stalin did to generals that lost or retreated in the face of European power?
Now you know what the fate is for Yanukovych
The FAIL is strong with this one!
Yes but has any red lines been crossed?
So many times the line actually faded to a dusty past.
Show em how it's done! Fuck you Rothschilds!
Or maybe Putin is working for the Roth-schilds also.
Go Putin. Roust the Bolsheviks.
"at the request of the Crimean government"! See Barry, we are letting the Ukranians determine their own fate. We are just acting on their request! Please, continue on about your drug use as a youth, it is very interesting!
I saw Moochel dancing with some vegetables on CNN yesterday. It was very interesting. True story. The right family is in the white house. Thats for sure.
Putin's private bank account must be getting low, so now he writes a love letter to parliament so he can get funding to pay for this campaign.
It makes sense so now EU will approve of the 'legal' move.
Here we go... WW3 or NATO look like a bunch of pussies.
In other theaters of war... how long before China makes a move on the contested islands, starting a war with Japan??
NATO is a bunch of pussies.
They want to only act in accordance with politically correct actions, aka - do nothing.
The only thing NATO will do is cry and moan like a bunch of little girls.
NATO needs lots of decision makers and stakeholders to actually do anything.
This ensures the "Dogs of War" are restrained (its like a safety). Only specific delineated situations cause specific reactions.
There is no war (so far) to cause any vote.
Remember that swift decisive almost instantaneous intervention in Bosnia?
Me neither.
Not that I ever want to see NATO and Russia lock-horns, so it's maybe a good thing if NATO dithers and refuses to escalate, they can't gain by doing so, so I think they'll play 'good cop', while the US can afford to play 'bad cop'.
Damage limitation seems to be what all sides need here, but Moscow absolutely has to prop up the Western approaches, and will, so the West is going to have to shut up and let him do it, but there will be belligerent boneheads in NATO and US (and we already see them) who will argue to escalate this and threaten Moscow with war, over a territory that Russia considers its integral homeland range.
We can expect some sympathetic sabre-rattling and larger than normal exercises and reminders elsewhere now, as well.
You mean Vlad didnt just use a phone and a pen like our dictator says he can?
Greedy fools have led us all down this well-worn path.
For over 20 years the US and its allies have been unraveling international norms and laws in favor of unilateralism and pre-emptive military intervention.
Should anyone now be surprised when Russia also claims "national security" obliges military intervention to assist a neighboring democratic government against foreign-funded "terrorists"?
The chief difference with the US only being that Russia does not claim to have a "national security"
interest in every corner of the world to self-servingly justify attempting to police and reshape the world for its benefit.
The chief difference with the US only being that Russia does not claim to have a "national security"
interest in every corner of the world to self-servingly justify attempting to police and reshape the world for its benefit.
YET
+ 10 greens
don't kid your self, Obuma is blistering mad, that putin outlawed homosexuals in russia, the russians have the best public bath houses in the world all gone to waste because no fudge packers can enter. much like women homo obuma has not forgotten the snubbing of homo's at the winter games. this means war.
Big snowstorm coming. Be sure to get your beer early.
Before long some of us in the US are going to be dressing like Russians. And perhaps drinking like them. Of course im already there in the last respect.
I've personally known about a half dozen russians in my life. Everyone of them were extremely bullheaded, very sore losers and will do anything they can to keep from losing. If this small cross sample is representative of the whole........good luck Obozo.
"That putin outlawed homosexuals in russia."
This is not true. What is outlawed is foreign funded NGO's giving 'sexual education' to Russian teenagers or organising gay pride parades.
"The chief difference with the US only being that Russia does not claim to have a "national security" interest in every corner of the world to self-servingly justify attempting to police and reshape the world for its benefit."
VERY WELL SAID rwe2late
it causes lots of pukes everytime listening to the US claims its "national security" interest every where, a sickening imperium!
I agree. So there is not much difference. There is still plenty of greed and foolishness with Russian leadership, too, although in different ways.
Washington better understand that Strategically Ukraine is to Russia, what Mexico is the the US, only it's much worse as Russia sees Crimea as a core part of Russian culture. Mexico is not that to Washington, thus no way will Russia back down here any more than if Russia plotted to overthrow Mexico's govt, and threatens Washington if it dared to intervene to protect its security.
This is not one of those many former instances where Washington concocted some lame national security threat excuse, to goad, and hope to get away with it this time, without getting soundly kicked in the teeth and told to shut up or get blown to hell.
And the United States, having been so successful in poking the bear in Georgia now moves for an encore performance in the Ukraine.
Russian S-400 Air defence convoy en route to the ukrainian border
Expecting some F-22s, F-35s and B-2 perhaps??
Doubtful on the F-35s a trillion dollars later and they're still grounded
For goodness sake, initial production and in-service development is supposed to identify and remedy stuff like this. The F-111s wings were literally breaking apart and falling off when they developed and first fielded that jet and everyone canned it, justifiably, at the time. But it was fixed and the same jet went on to smash Sadam Hussain's armored units prior to the re-taking of Kuwait. No other allied jet came close to it, for strike and ground attack kill rate and survivability in that air attack. The F35 is ~60 years ahead of that tech, and 30 years ahead of the F-15E.
Why people keep freaking-out about mostly petty development matters I don't get. The exorbitant cost and tax involved I do get, but there's no jet that did not have a large range of similar issues. There's also no military combat jet which was not extensively modified, or even redesigned and remanufactured in part, after initial production and initial full-operational service.
This isn't going to stop as long as there's new air power development so please come to terms with it.
It really makes zero sense whatsoever for the US to engage in that type of behavior when both sides have nukes. What could you really do outside of diplomacy against a nuclear rival? Nothing. Unless you're really fucking stupid. Oops.
Obama is butthurt(not just Reggie) because of Snowden and then Syria. He will act like the child that he is. I don't expect his tantrums impress Putin
and Obozo is threatening to cancel his trip to Moscow this summer, LOL ... can't wait to see all the huffing and puffing by Zio-con bought and paid for congress critters on fox news all weekend
Yes. Barry will show them who's boss and "play through" to other nations' golf courses.
Maybe Moscow will be radiated by then?
The prospect of war and millions of deaths makes JP Morgan Chase very happy.
JPMorgan Chase is betting that people die sooner rather than later. That is because JPMorgan will need to pay the insurance companies if they have to payout more money than they had actuarially predicted because the people they cover are living longer. The bottom line: JP Morgan is looking to profit from early deaths. The longer the insured individuals live beyond an agreed upon average age, the more the bank must reimburse the insurance companies.
Wall Street on Parade also speculates that JPMorgan may have actually profited from the suicides of their employees. That is because the bank has followed the trend of many companies in taking out life insurance policies on employees that are payable to the corporation.
http://truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/jp-morgan-bets-on-death-as-wall-street-suicides-jump-up
Nobody underwrites death on soldiers. Except Uncle Sam, of course.
War always removes the focus on WS Banksters. Add to that the massive profits they will make, hell Yeah, they are for it.
There are little people that serve in those war things
Rightr about now ZH's JCB is having an orgasm.
headhunt
Why?
The jig is up half nig.
12 greens for some unnecessary racism?
This shit would be happening if Obama was white, brown, black, old, young, smart or stupid (or a woman)!
Maybe because Obama is a fraud and a pretender.
Within a month or so there will be a political settlement and the Ukraine will be split in half.. the east will join Mother Russia, the west will accept indentured servitude to Brussels.
You mean Brussels will have to set up a new Troika for Ukraine and send them a check every month of X billions of euros?? Because if Ukraine splits, western Ukraine will be poor as fuck... even worse than Greece.
You can bet that the gas pipeline that goes through western ukraine and feed europe will suddenly have its costs increase
Good tactically, bad strategically.
Maybe they can survey the Europeans if they want a "pro-EU Ukraine solidarity tax", added to their gas bill? The results may surprise many, and embarrass Brussels and DC.
You can't get any poorer than losing your freedom.
unless
you securitize your freedom
and sell it into the derivative markets
True Terror...
ooh goodie...sending more money out and not getting money back just speeds the collapse. great news! bring the split.
You are right about the split of the Ukraine but the 'indentured servitude' is a bit harsh.
The west will at least have some real freedoms. You would not want to live under the wonderful world of Putin.
History repeats:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anschluss
Why split in two ? Should not Israel get another Homeland considering Israel demographically is doomed. Afterall we did acquire Alaska from Russia although that was voluntary. Then what about Poland getting back some territory and Austria / Germany too ? Best leave Ukraine as it was or as Ukrainians desire without outside influences ala Nuland/ McCain/ Neocons. However now that genie is out of box it will be difficult to put back with many external interests on top of economic /financial stress. Question is if Pres. Obama has been in charge of foreign policy and articulated it with nation or have special interests taken over ?
In the Long Game,
half of Ukraine may be better than nothing.
The other half can wait until later.
and that's the way the cookie crumbles
Dont worry. Yellen is in control.
The bunch of Cia-owned pussies that took power in a flash of media-alterned reality are packing. Whoops and they need a new set of Depends®.
Boljemoi!
Dah!
Just a couple more campaign speeches from 1600 Pennsylvania and things will be just fine. Do his handlers have a page in the playbook for Mr. Putin not following the script? Biden will have an answer for it all, just wait! Lurch needs to stick to the family KETCHUP business. And Hillary, is she day trading cattle futures during all of this?
Lets hope when the worlds richest man lays down his line in the sand we aren't in the middle of a beer summit!
Well, at least Snowden can vacation in Crimea now............
Bwahahahahaha. If I were Edward I'd be packing the bags for Rio.
There is a problem with logistics for the EU here...but the Russian Black Sea fleet wouldn't last 5 minutes against a combined European/English/Swedish blockade.
So looking forward to the U.S./NATO response.
If it's anything like running the U.S.S. Taylor aground near Turkey I'm sure we will continue to be "entertained"!
Why Sweden when they ARE NOT NATO members????
Yeah, Swedish military jets only took part in the Libya bombardment as peaceful observers. Also Swedish-Nato joint military drills are just for shits and giggles...
Sweden has not been neutral since 1945. Anti-russian propaganda is alive and well and a Brzezinski Jr. is currently posing as US ambassador in Stockholm.
Maybe they are still sore about the Battle of the Ice.
All 7 of the "establishment" parties in the Swedish parliament voted unanimously to send the jets.
The 8th party, the grass-roots Swedish Democrats, who are continually attacked by the establishment media for their anti-immigration position, voted against bombing the crap out of Libya, saying that they "couldn't see how it is in Sweden's interests".
Sweden is a lackey nation, sold their interests to the highest bidder, it's now "USA's interests"
Sounds like you're confusing the Baltic sea with the Black sea.
Blockade with what?
I am sure many here would like you to tell how that is going to work?
Is Snowden in line for living in that Presidential Palace in Ukraine?
Russia's "Afghanistan in Europe" plan.
Sounds destabilizing alright.
Rumor is this Ukrainian Army is no pushover.
Obviously I wouldn't want to be a holder of Russian debt right now.
I find it interesting that Ukrainian debt still trades at 90cents on the dollar too.
Yanakovich will find a nice place in Switzerland for him and his family I imagine. "Why bother with the last leader either" when it's going to be "All Russia" here, yes,yes?
Of course "destabilizing there" can become "destabilizing here" all too easily. Should be interesting to see the European Union's response.
That's 400 million plus with an "uber euro" and Capital at Berlin.