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Putin To Use Military In Ukraine
Current US foreign policy in a nutshell: Barack Obama tells Vladimir Putin "there will be costs" if Russia invades Ukraine. What does Putin do? He invades Ukraine. Only this time it's official: AP reports that the Kremlin says Russian President Vladimir Putin has asked parliament for permission to use the country's military in Ukraine. Putin says the move is needed to protect ethnic Russians and the personnel of a Russian military base in Ukraine's strategic region of Crimea.
From the Kremlin website:
Vladimir Putin made an appeal to the Council of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation.
“In connection with the extraordinary situation in Ukraine, the threat to the lives of citizens of the Russian Federation, our compatriots, the personnel of the military contingent of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation deployed in the territory of Ukraine (Autonomous Republic of Crimea) in accordance with an international treaty, and pursuant to Article 102-1(d) of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, I hereby submit to the Federation Council of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation a letter on the use of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in the territory of Ukraine pending normalisation of the public and political situation in that country"
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Putin also appointed Deputy Foreign Minister Grigory Karasin to be his official representative in the Federation Council when it considers his letter.
Earlier in the day, the Federation Council asked Putin to take “exhaustive measures” to protect Russians in Ukraine.
“We have urgently summoned the house Council and thought it necessary to make a statement assessing the current situation in Ukraine,” Federation Council Chairperson Valentina Matviyenko said.
She said a group of Russian senators, who had visited Crimea, had informed their colleagues about the situation in the Ukrainian autonomy and specifically in Sevastopol, the home base of the Russian Black Sea Fleet.
“Today there is a real threat to the life and security of Russian citizens living in Ukraine. There is a threat to our military in Sevastopol and the Black Sea Fleet, and I think that Russia should not be a bystander,” she said.
The main purpose of the Federation Council’s appeal to the president is to urge him “to take exhaustive measures, all possible measures, to ensure the security of our citizens living in Ukraine, help our brotherly Ukrainian people achieve stabilisation and channel the current crisis into a civilised legal track so that the agreements that were signed by the opposition leaders and the head of state were implemented strictly,” Matviyenko said.
She noted that members of the Federation Council “asked the president to take exhaustive measures to prevent further escalation and put the resolution of the political crisis onto a legal track so that those who have grabbed power did not hurry so much and did not trample upon the rights of people and different regions of Ukraine.”
“The agreement [of February 21] clearly determined the sequence of steps. A constitutional reform first - it was supposed to be carried out with broad participation of public and political forces and regions in order to work out a consensus-based document that would be supported by all people in Ukraine. According to international practices, such serious documents should be adopted in a national referendum,” Matviyenko said.
Having expressed regret that this had not happened, she noted that “the speed with which presidential elections have been announced [in Ukraine] puts its legitimacy in question.”
“The agreement calls for forming a government of national accord, which means that it should include representatives of all political forces. In reality we see that the government, which was approved to the stomping of the Maidan, did not include all political forces and was formed from opposition parties only,” Matviyenko observed.
She also said that “the heads of regions were not summoned for consultation.” So “we can understand why there are protests in regions, except for Western regions of Ukraine,” she added.
Matviyenko called for finding “a calm, civilised and legal solution to the crisis” and stressed that “there is no need to demonstrate high political and diplomatic culture in this case because we can see that this is neither appreciated nor understood, and most importantly the security of people will not be ensured.
RIA further adds, the military use is virtually assured as it was leaders of Russia’s upper and lower houses of parliament who first called Saturday on President Vladimir Putin to stabilize the situation in Crimea and protect Russian citizens. The leader of Federation Council, Russia’s upper house, said the use of military force in the former Soviet nation could be justified after the opposition swept into power in Kiev last weekend.
More from the RT:
“In this situation it would even be possible, on the request of the Crimean government, to bring in a limited contingent [of troops] to guarantee security,” Valentina Matviyenko said.
The partition of Ukraine has become increasingly likely in recent days as heavily armed men understood to be Russian soldiers have taken control of key facilities and blocked roads in Crimea.
About 60 percent of the residents of Ukraine’s southern peninsula are ethnic Russians with the remainder of the population made up of Ukrainians and Crimean Tatars, who largely support the incoming regime.
The State Duma, Russia’s lower house, released a similar statement Saturday that said must Putin bring the situation in Ukraine under control.
“All available means” should be deployed to protect Russian citizens, said Sergei Naryshkin, a former head of the presidential administration and the current parliamentery speaker in the Duma.
The Crimea has been visited by a series of Russian Duma deputies in recent days, including former boxing champion Nikolai Valuev, former figure skater Irina Rodnina, and the first woman in space Valentina Tereshkova.
Pro-Russian protests calling for secession have taken place sporadically across the southern and eastern Ukraine since President Viktor Yanukovuych was toppled from power a week ago.
Meanwhile, international media has reported widespread military movements, believed to be units from Russia's Black Sea fleet headquartered in Crimea, including tanks and helicopters that began on Tuesday. Ukrainian officials have accused the Kremlin of provoking conflict and called on Russia to return all soldiers to their bases.
And then this:
- RUSSIAN FEDERATION COUNCIL AGREES TO PUTIN'S REQUEST FOR MILITARY INTERVENTION IN CRIMEA - DPA
The breakdown of the final vote:
Meanwhile:
Balaclava now. The entrance to the coast guard base pic.twitter.com/s2p6v157m5
— Daniel Sandford (@BBCDanielS) March 1, 2014
Needless to say all of this is just for show: as we have been reporting for the past 4 days, Russian troops have long since been in Ukraine.
More importantly, it appears Putin is not very concerned about the impact his actions will have on equity futures when they open for trading on Sunday evening: but... but... the artificial "on paper" wealth effect. On the other hand, he certainly has a lot of concern to keep geopolitical events of the type that keep the price of crude high, always at arms length.
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Boris Alotovkrap, where are you? We miss you. :(
Policemen have to work such long hours nowadays.
I just hope that the protesters donT hurt him too badly.
Carnival in Crimea
Geez, events are developing fast
the article is already out-of-date
It states that "there will be a referendum on greater autonomy from Ukraine on May 25. "
In Crimea it has already been moved to March 30th and another region - Donetsk - has also voted to organize a referendum
This is turning out pretty much just the way I expected it to. Brilliant moves really. The end result will be demonstrating to the world that the US is only willing to act when it is a small weak nation with no real means of defending itself. Ukraine? The US ain't gonna do shit.
wow checkmate
Vladimir Putin made an appeal to the Council of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation.
“In connection with the extraordinary situation in Ukraine, the threat to the lives of citizens of the Russian Federation,
russia is the most corrupt pos there is , no wait the u.s. is , no wait its russia, hold on its the u.s. bottom line the two gubmints deserve each other. hopefully they take each other out so we dont have to deal with either one of them
russia is the most corrupt pos there is , no wait the u.s. is , no wait its russia, hold on its the u.s. bottom line the two gubmints deserve each other. hopefully they take each other out so we dont have to deal with either one of them
We should kidnap several thousand Russians and move them to Afghanistan.
But they only "just" left.
A bit off point here but something to consider. As a constitutional law researcher I tend to view events from a scientific perspective. Perponderance of evidence. The laws of cause and effect. Where are we headed?
I would hope that all here would approach this with an open mind as I have studied the following with great scrutiny for nearly a year. Being raised Catholic in a small town in Minnesota, this came as an absolute shock to my belief system. Our entire system of beliefs are based on lies all for the purpose of manipulation and control. Who would believe than the human being could be capable of such acts? Yet, the more I read, the more I am convinced that this guy is not only genuine, but dead on right. If true, it is the greatest event in human history. Incredible, detailed accounting. Predictions and prophecies. The true nature of spirituality and where we really came from all published in copyrighted books from 1958 and forward.Yet, it has barely been noticed.
As for current events involving Russia, it is going to be involved in a war that involves the State of Alaska and the Canadian military. As predicted, Russia has now taken steps to position troops for this future conflict.
Here is the link to the website. There is little doubt in my mind that your first impression will be disbelief. Ludicracy. Impossible. I dont know what compelled me to dig into it and spend hundreds of hours reading. From a legal standpoint, I believe the perponderance of the evidence would hold up in a court of law. And quite frankley, as events unfold, you and I havent seen anything yet. I do not know if any amount of prep could be adequate to deal with what lies ahead for all of us.
Judge for yourself.
http://www.theyfly.com/
instead of Constitutional Law you should look into Galactic Federation Law
Barry and the dem-os must be licking their chops at the skim they'll get and the power they'll grab from our latest crisis. If it costs a few thousand more american lives they will not care.
Neither will the repub-oobs or Wall Street. It is the same gang.
Agreed. They are all sht.
The decision has been taken uninomously
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veF3f0KhTnw
My thoughts are with the innocent people around the world who live pay packet to pay packet. Any real turmoil will further unsettle their ability to keep body and soul together. Unlike the stock markets they do not have a plunge protection team to come to their rescue.
Restraint on all sides is necessary because armed conflct is in no one's interests other than those who profit from such scenarios.
American soldiers do not deserve to be sent to their death because of some geopolitical overreach by sections of the elite.
Russia should turn off the gas tap to EU already.
but the Russians like Euros.
As if Russia could survive long without it. They have nothing the world wants but natural resources. American fracking is a thorn in his paw.
Putin is Man of the Year. He has God given permission.
He could go round up the Rothschilds and Rockefellers if he wanted to.And Goldman Sachs banksters too.
Long live Putin
Putin will be man of the year if Russian can resolve this issue without bloodshed.
You forget that "Man of the Year" does not require that his efforts be for good.
I think he might well end up Man of the Year -- in the same vein Hitler did.
Its not possible to resolve without bloodshed - the scum are dug in, they need to be eradicated. If he was able to use assassination to resolve the problem, ie banksters and politicians - I think he would get my vote.
Banksters have already long controlled Russia.
Banksters play both East and West.
Meanwhile, in the only democracy in the middle east...
On the Brink of Another War? Israel To Hold Lebanon’s Government “Responsible” if Hezbollah Retaliates over Air StrikesTranslation: Israel intends to start a war. While Israel has the right to violate the air space and attack its neighbors at will, they have no right to strike back. Thusly, expect Israeli "retaliation" for what will be a response to Israeli attacks. AS usual - the "they hit us back first" defense Israel and its revolting 5th column in the US rely on.
And why not, they've successfully convinced most Americans that Hezbollah is a "terrorist" organization rather than what it really is - a guerilla movement that formed expressly to eject Israel from Lebanon, where it has invaded repeatedly, killing many thousands of civilians. There is no serious claim Hezbollah is anything but something standing in the way of Israel's acquisition of Lebanon to the Litani - to steal water and natural gas rights. Period.
Anyway, if Ukraine heats up, so will Syria and Lebanon.
World wide revolution would be a good idea right about now. It's really the governments, the power super structure, that engenders all the fuckery.
when will you aminals lern putin is a beast.
he hates gays and jewish innosunce peeples.
we cannot allow this russki savage to ban gay church weddings.
we4 cannot allow putin to ban mossad,idf and cia ngo human helpers from setting up groups and home help meetings all over the theatre of operations.
things may go thermo nucleaus in the future but we will all have the freedom of analism and church weddings.
and just maybe the lovely jewish folks can have whatever they desire again.
see how they do the 911 dance all over again
Most confused attempt at satire I have ever seen - red arrows for you.
Sarcasm?
Mental illness
All his posts are like that... it's like some kinda tin-foily interwebz beat poetry. Dig it.
Got my recliner...
Got my popcorn...
Got my remote...
Let the games begin!
play-by-play action on youtube.
and if it gets so bad, that the internet goes down, got my short-wave radio with plenty of batteries
to keep the play-by-play action coming.
The Powerpuff gals over at the White House are going to show us how it's done.
Go Blossom, Buttercup, and Bubbles!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mmCMUPCNgE
All you US big talkers, I hope war comes knocking on your door soon. It's easy to wish for a Russian invasion while you're over the ocean. But when Mexico signs agreements with the russian navy, we'll see who laughs then...
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Ukraine has lost Crimea. NATO will probably issue a condemning statement... Crimea is not worth going to war over. Unfortunately for the EU, it probably won't stop with Ukraine.
the Europeans are a war-hardy bunch; they have survived world wars before.
I can see a difference though: world wars were fought with "conventional" weapons. But what happens if Ivan pushes the Launch button instead of the buzzer letting in the next round of vodka?
then we will finally know if a limited nuclear war with tactical nukes is possible.
Some say M.A.D. can be the only result. I ainT so sure. We will be able to put these theories to the test!
What better place to test: Chernobyl region.
Well ... the Fukushima region might be a good test bed too.
Both areas are already contaminated, so a limited nuke war in these regions might be acceptable.
It's not like the World ainT already contaminated...
Curse you for saying Chernobyl region is a good testing area! :)
It's less than 500 miles from where I live now, that's why.
What about that dude that said the next ww will be fought with sticks and stones?
oh?! well that leaves Fukushima then...
That guy who said the next ww will be fought with sticks and stones was an optimist.
In Cold War II, proxy wars will be fought, like in Cold War I. Russian troops are local to Ukraine, so there will be no direct NATO involvment in East-/South Ukraine/Crimea and no need for anyone to use nukes. You asked what would happen if Vlad pushed the wrong button? I donT think he will.
Sticks and stones quote I think was Albert Einstein.
And boy do they not hesitate to fight! They will fight to the last........American.
I don't know about that, were there so many American soldiers killed in the ww's? As in "more than European ones"?
What the "US big talkers" don't realize is that Vladimir Putin, as much of a shithead slimeball that he is, gained a lot of political power and traction over the last three weeks.
He basically humiliated the world at the Olympic Games, and is now using that to basically annex the Ukraine. Crimea took, what? About 15 minutes??
Like Putin, most of russians have low selfesteem and therefore trying to prove themself, but inlike Putin, there is not enough brain power to talk, so the force is the only card available, Even dogs do not fight right away.
Russian troops in Ukraine, pictures from rian (russian news agency) at least boys are gonna have some fun
China terror attack: 30 dead
They had better ban knives!
No forks either! One [plastic] Spoon for each of us.
The 'costs' Obumbler referred was the Russian military payroll.
payroll costs are "anyway costs" (aka overhead). The payroll has to be made "anyways", regardless where in the World the troops are.
Try again...
http://larouchepac.com/node/30028
Ukraine and Peter Schiff: Recovery Fantasy, Dollar Crash Below 80.00 And Gold "Wall of Worry".
Peter Schiff is discussing the very weak economic data released this week, Gold market's "Wall of Worry" in mass media and Gold stocks potential. We will add to the discussion the main development for us this week. It is the situation in Ukraine, which came almost out of nowhere for a lot of investors and now threatens the stability in Europe at least and has caused the major decline in US Dollar below the very important level of 80.00. Obama can have his own war finally after the few unsuccessful attempts with YouTube evidence in Syria. We do hope that it will be only Financial War and we can see the first rounds of it this week. Initially US Dollar went up on the escalation of the situation in Ukraine - as any potential military action in the world is supposed to be positive for the U.S. Military Complex, but on Friday with major headlines from Moscow about Ukraine Dollar has dived decisively below 80.00 to the 79.78 close.After these U.S. actions in Ukraine considered as an insult by the Kremlinthe least you can expect is selling of the US Treasuries by Russia and, maybe, already accelerating of selling by China as well . They have been already smelling the rat about the USTs Game Of Musical Chairs for a long time. It is just too personal. None of these two countries - or it will be better say leaders - would like to be liberated next in any circumstances.
The big difference with Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria is that all those countries can not be compared to Russia and China even close. These two countries have means to make life very messy for everybody involved and U.S. has managed to be involved with both. It is getting very fast very hot in Ukraine with Russia and you can imaging who is orchestrating China - Japan confrontation as well. It is not the way to make friends and find the new buyers for U.S. Debt or even retain the old ones. Are those people who write the teleprompter for Obama just went totally crazy? We do not think so. Unfortunately the friends are lost long time along the way with ongoing US Treasury sales by Russia and China and diversification out of US Dollar. Now we are witnessing the very dangerous play with the last asset left in U.S. from Super Power stage - its Military Complex. There is nothing to match it in the open confrontation, but if we will be all lucky to exclude mutual nuclear distraction, we can expect a lot of asymmetrical steps from the Rising Powers. Ongoing Financial War can now be considered to be escalating to the dramatically new levels. Gold was managed to the downside to hide the ongoing disaster at least for the weekend. The opening of Gold market in Asia on Sunday evening will be very interesting with the ongoing escalation in Ukraine and reported authorisation by the Russian Upper House of Parliament the use of military force in Crimea to insure "stability in the region". http://sufiy.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/ukraine-and-peter-schiff-recovery.ht...
Vlad humiliated the western banksters politically in Syria - he is about to humiliate them militarily and economically in Ukraine.
Russia is immune to the usual internal attacks by the banksters global intelligence network, which would prevent its military retaliation - Vlad is immune to the western media - this is going to be a savage war - Russia has tac-nukes, thousands of them - more than any other nation, and I would not be surprised to see them used. This is not about the price of gas, this is about Russia retaining the power it needs to resist the western banksters - this is a fight to the death for Russia - Vlad will not hold back.
Unlike 1989?
Pretty sure VP will stop after he annexes the Crimea. He doesn't need the headache or expense of occupation, (having learned from the "Stan when they were there). The Ukes won't contest it too hard, as long as thats where he stops because the alternative of full occupation is worse. I'm sure there will be some sort of payola back to Kiev, and VP gets to show the world once again that American is run by an arrogant ass-clown that throws like a girl. Truth be told that if I was going to be governed by a kleptocrat anyway, I'd almost rather have Vlad. I mean, at least he wrestles tigers shirtless, right?
Pretty sure VP will stop after he annexes the Crimea. He doesn't need the headache or expense of occupation, (having learned from the "Stan when they were there). The Ukes won't contest it too hard, as long as thats where he stops because the alternative of full occupation is worse. I'm sure there will be some sort of payola back to Kiev, and VP gets to show the world once again that American is run by an arrogant ass-clown that throws like a girl. Truth be told that if I was going to be governed by a kleptocrat anyway, I'd almost rather have Vlad. I mean, at least he wrestles tigers shirtless, right?
This whole business between Obama and Putin reminds me of a joke:
A hunter goes into the woods to hunt for a bear. He sees one, aims his rifle but they bear sneaked up behind him, taps him on the shoulder and says: "you either suck my dick or I kill you". The hunter has no choice and sucks the bear's dick.
The next day the hunter is pissed off and want to get even and sets out into the forest to kill the bear. The same thing happens as the previous day and the hunter again has to suck the dick of the bear.
On the third day the hunter sets out into the forest again, infuriated by the humuliation. Again he sees the bear, again aims his rifle but again the bear gets out of sight and sneaks up behind the hunter. This time the bear aks the hunter: "Are you sure you come to the forest to hunt me or do you come to suck my dick?"
The hunter likes the taste of debt service payments. Akin to a vampire that feeds on blood.
The West wants to monetize all the natural resources in Ukraine, and feed off the interest payments like a parasite feeding off a host. The CFR wants ALL the assets.
Perhaps it is all about the question "what is there still left to own?" (from The Meaning of Life by Monty Python).
I see the bear as Putin and the hunter as Obama and it makes you almost wonder if the hunter enjoys the humiliation.
The $20 million vacation allowance helps cushion the humiliation.
Really, what can Obama can do?
This whole thing reminds me Iranian hostage debacle. Obama is like Carter, then. Only talks but no one is afraid of USA anymore.
Iranian hostages were freed the same day Ronald Reagan became president. Do you guys remember that? How USA got humilated over 400 days while Iran kept our Marines hostages. I was in the boot camp in SanDiego when this was going on and now I understand why Ronald Reagan is the last American president who everybody respected and carried sticks, "Peace through Strength". Every presidents since then weakened America in one way or another, and Obama is only Nobel prize winner president.
The sun is setting on USA. The sad truth but that is the reality. The best USA can do for world peace is get our house in order, ECONOMICALLY.
The CIA cut a deal with the Iranians. Reagan sold guns to the enemy. You're an idiot.
iran decided the election. they wanted reagan. u.s. has less power except for bombing everybody than the t.v. watching americans think.
Sold weapons to Middle East Iran to get weapons to fight the Contras in Latin America.
Latin American fight was more important at that time.
And the only way to do that kills the United State anyway, since a reduction in population of at least one-fourth is required to do that.
i beg your pardon Carter commanded a nuclear submarine, Obama was a community organizer, something Carter chose to do when he was much older
Two words: Long Gold.
Ukraine interim president puts forces on combat alert; PM says intervention would lead to war
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101449482
What a weekend. Popcorn popping.
way overblown, nothing will happen
just stupid media frenzy
The media frenzy is stupid. But so are the sheeple who are the intended recipients of this propaganda.
I think that our Overlords just want to make Putin look bad in the West. He took the bait and is now getting bad press all over the West. Mission accomplished.
IT'S A TRAP!!! /sarc
mother russia is really slimming down, the age of powerful central government is over, which makes you wonder how the chinese manage these things. presidents nixon through obama have been emulating chinese methods, because it would be a real shame to have wasted those millions of lives in the american civil war, and the permanent discord between north and south, only to dissolve lincolns union a hundred or so years later. that would be like fighting w2 to defeat the nazis and then turning your government into a fascist economic authoritarian regime. oh maybe i answered my question.
The way to defeat Russia is to bring back oil price back to $10 a barrel and gold $250 an ounce and short rate 20% per annum.
If only you had a time machine. In 1979 you were a genius. Today not so much.
this is exactly how USSR was defeated and Gorbatchev admitted that the fall in the price of oil was his major concern and partly the reason to start perestroyka
So in other words we just have to stop up the Fed pump.
Why haven't we taken credit for destabilizing another country? USA, USA, USA!
Putin is fucking moron.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-qw3287pOirI/Utdio-Dq-hI/AAAAAAACXNM/B...
I would counter that...
His selfesteem is low, but his ability to think 4-5 year ahead does not make him a moron it makes him a very smart man.
He missed his chance to do the same during orange revolution, but at this time he has orchestrated everything from start to the end (including revolution).
So where is the line in the sand? We subvert the Ukraine via covert actions, then warn Putin not to do anything about it. For fucks sake...............
They are imbaciles. It's so insanely stupid and childish, you couldn't make it up. Ukraine isn't much of a prize really, it's just a bunch of babies trying to piss off Russia. Here they come, now what? What about another "reset button"? Put a sticker on it saying "reset" that some intern typed into google translate but got it wrong. Fucking clowns the lot of them.
Mr. Putin is a great russian leader ... he does his job well ... the Ukraine will never have a KFC or a Burger King... all of those pipelines are a valuable thing...
If Russia conquers Crimea the Russian share of the Ukrainian population will decrease and the pro-West, anti-Russian voters will become a majority in Ukraine. I´m not so sure the West thinks that is such a bad idea. But if the EU and the US have an aid package in pipeline that will improve the economy of Ukraine to the extent that even the pro-Russian population will prefer the EU to Russia, I guess that they think that Ukraine should keep Crimea.
Obama is right, there will be costs bringing military intervention in Ukraine. Have you SEEN the price of diesel these days?
Anybody who does not think that Russia winning the Olympics in every feasible measure didn't have something to do with the timing and execution (and that latter word can be meant twice) of this effort is absolutely fooling themselves.
The only question now is how long the formal annexation takes.
I give it about 2 weeks.
He may be the leader of the Free Shit Army, but he's a pussy on the world stage.
Then do something about him or shut up about it.
I just Tweeted 'Obama is a Pussy on the World Stage' to 100,000,000 followers. There, I out-tweeted that faggot, happy?
OK chief, I'll send a letter to my democuntic congressperson to start impeachment hearings. Your hero is still perceived as a whimpering faggot on the world stage.
what do you recommend tough guy?
Psych Warfare Today bitchez
I see no mention of the The Budapest Memorandum... under the terms we appear to be at War very shortly????
The agreement sees signatories promise to protect Ukraine's borders
It was signed by Bill Clinton, John Major, Boris Yeltsin and Leonid Kuchma in 1994
Ukrainian parliament has now reached out directly to all the countries who signed the treaty
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2570335/Former-British-Ambassado...
It's not a treaty. Memorandum, not particularly binding.
kinda reminds me of when another US surrogate was forming ties with the russian bear. the soviets went as far as putting missiles in cuba (fast forward to the cheney doctrine to grant NATO status to any country which would allow the US to place missiles aimed at Moscow just minutes away.) from an historical perspective this is the backside of the cuban missile crisis, in this case the US has gotten away with something we nearly went nuclear on to prevent, eventually forcing Russia to back down. obama promised some give on the cheney doctrine but i think those were mere feckless gestures. i think they're still under the shadow of that arsenal, that could embolden him to play cards dealt to someone else as though they were his own. (the neocons understand the cold war) it has always been the other party which turned up the heat, in cuba and vietnam.
an old article with some interesting names
As early as Dec. 18, Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko had seen enough and started blowing the whistle.
“A handful of people under the protection of the president [Victor Yushchenko], the NBU chairman [Volodymyr Stelmakh] and artificial banks are making fortunes worth billions,†Tymoshenko said then. “Nearly one fifth of the [NBU] money was channeled to a bankrupt bank [Nadra].â€
http://www.ocnus.net/artman2/publish/Dark_Side_4/Embezzlement-At-Ukraine...
dupilcate post
http://rt.com/news/ukraine-navy-flaghsip-protest-389/
They should place a "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" banner on that thing.
I think when some of these Ukranian terrorists - oops I mean politicians - start getting 'whacked' by Vlad's team, the fight will drain out of them very fast.
They are not legitimate, they know they are not legitimate - and when they start getting assassinated - they will run for it. Vlad could try and cause an inflationary collapse by printing off the Ukranian money and helicopter dropping it - but I think he will prefer the old fashioned assassination path.
Regardless - the banksters are slapping each other on the back way too soon - this is not over by a long chalk, Vlad cant and wont back down here - I think he will try a joint political, economic and covert method first - bribery and assassinations - if that doesnt work, he will continue to escalte all the way up to nukes if thats what it takes.
This whole situation makes me think about what Romney said two years ago, that Russia was our 'No. 1 Geopolitical Foe'. What did he know back then that wasn't public knowledge? Seems like this may have been in the works for awhile.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY_7pH5XV_w
Romney knew about as much as Sarah Palin when it comes to geopolitics.
I'm not a fan of either one but appearently they both knew something;
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-01/and-person-who-foresaw-it-all
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/01/us-ukraine-crisis-government-nato-idUSBREA200WS20140301
However this plays out it will push the S&P past 1900 by the end of the week.
And... this is what happens when the egos of the complete fuckwits at the State Department are just too fucking big for their IQs.
Will Victoria Nuland visit the graves? The widows? The children? Bollocks she will.
US calls for international observers as Ukraine places forces on combat alert and threatens war -live updates
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/01/crimea-crisis-deepens-as-russia-and-ukraine-ready-forces-live-updates
Wait until the first rogue and "missing" nuclear device detonates, then things will get interesting.
Next on the agenda is China invading Taiwan and Japan.
But, but, but, but there will be costs! And you can't cross that red line. It isn't faaaaaaaair. Whaaaaaaa.
bush already promised Taiwan to China, and Japan, well not until the YUN/USD carry trade is established
Ruse... Clinton, Bush, Obama summoned to the Hague where they can be put in jail for war crimes of Tourture....
"The Rothschilds, and that class of money-lenders of whom they are the representatives and agents -- men who never think of lending a shilling to their next-door neighbors, for purposes of honest industry, unless upon the most ample security, and at the highest rate of interest -- stand ready, at all times, to lend money in unlimited amounts to those robbers and murderers, who call themselves governments, to be expended in shooting down those who do not submit quietly to being robbed and enslaved." by: Lysander Spooner(1808-1887) Political theorist, activist, abolitionist Source: "No Treason #6" (1870)
What 'Serious Costs' is Barack speaking of? Is he going to cut Putin's foodstamps? Or require that he adhere to Obamacare? Is he going to embargo their pipelines?
What exactly is this neutered, whimpering idiot going to do that won't make himself look like an even bigger, powerless pussy?
serious costs mean international isolation and kicking Russia out from G8
That is very funny!!!
Kicking Russia out of G8...
G8 without Russia, Canada and Germany will represent all bankrupt countries. I would say, Russia should kick US, Italy, UK, France, Japan out G8
Those G5 have no say anymore, they are done.
International isolation? You mean like no Olympic games being awarded to him in the future? G8, really?
i dont know he could tell americans their bill of rights is history and fund an even bigger expansion of the NSA
Putin is KGB, and those guys stay KGB until their dying breath. He is a Commie, and a nationalist, and a megalomaniac. He is standing with Syria and that is good but he would throw Assad over in a flash if it benefited him.
KGB, NSA, CIA, FSA, whatever.
Obama is AIPAC aka CIA/MOSSAD/NSA,
Which is fucking worse? Which universally spy's on little girls using the toilet?
Which president has other men fuck him in the ass?
Which president rides a Harley?
Which president has -15% approval.
Which president has +90% approval.
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Putin KGB yes, but he is also a 4th DAN in JUDO and a highly respected martial artist, on the other hand, back in Chicago at the Bathhouse just about everybody had their way with Soetero, Barry.
Puting spent his whole life being a man and training, and Obama spent his entire life on his stomach being an AIPAC bitch.
Yeh, talk on about how different USA & RUSSIA.
well the american neonazis must be shitting their pants
what goes around comes around bitches
http://warsclerotic.wordpress.com/2014/03/01/off-topic-russia-considers-unacceptable-foreign-meddling-in-the-internal-affairs-of-venezuela-russian-chinese-aircraft-carriers-kuznetsov-shilang-07-head-to-the-caribbean/
Is this an "Onion" ???
Looks like NATO is calmly making preparations for a planned meeting to bring up the topic for discussion or sidebar....tomorrow.
Is that a Punt or a Putin ?
NATO ambassadors to discuss Ukraine on Sunday: NATO's Rasmussen
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/01/us-ukraine-crisis-nato-meeting-idUSBREA200XD20140301
Phew! Everyone must feel relieved. Crisis averted ?
Assad for Ukraine. Pawn for Pawn. The Chess game continues. Back to work people nothing to see here. Sorry Ukrainian people you should have stoned John McCain not listened to him. Ozman
This is not Poland. It is the Sudetenland.
Find Prussia, Bulgaria and Bohemia on a map. Given thatme air freight renders geological obstacles obsolete, and the current resource map, where would you draw the lines?
Come on Putin! Set some bombs off... I want to see the market futures in the tank on Monday!!!! Our market needs a swift kick in the ass too!!!
FUCK YOU, you Russo-Apologists and Lubyanka Shills.
I told you that this was happening and that it was going to happen.
Let the downvotes, lying, irrational non-logical excuses and dissemblement begin.
I called it, you are full of shit and excuses.
Ukraine invaded. Nobody cares. Georgia invaded. Nobody cares. Kardashians shop for a Escalade. Everyone cares.
Screw you. We need to get out of Europe and Asia. Quit trying to encircle russia, China and everyone else. I'm tired of Zio-Globalists bankrupting, corrupting and enslaving this country to serve their efforts at world domination. None of this benefits Americans, our people, our culture, our values. I hope russia rolls into Kiev, kicks out the globalist warmongers and eventually kicks the U.S. out of the entire region. maybe someday we in Amerika can be liberated. Won't happen until the average idiot, the average sheeple, pulls their head out of their asses. My country is occupied- we are being lead to our own destruction. Our day of reckoning will soon come after the zio-globalists are finished using us as the engine that runs and promotes Globalism.
So... is this article stupid squared? Or cubed? The Ukraine has been affiliated, allied, part of, and attached to the Russian culture and sphere of influence and governance for 1500 years. The population of Crimea is 60% Russian. The US has few reasons and less interests to become involved in what is a far off affair of regional tensions that has repeatedly gone on there since historic times. Leave it to McCain, Lindsey Graham, and Karl Rove to initiate another Viet Nam for no other reason than catering to the war mongers and their entrenched defense industry constituencies purely for the internal manipulation of our political landscape. President Carter got involved in the Russian/Afghanistan war and look what that got us. Clinton stalled out in Somalia and retreated with not a small degree of humiliation and we won't even talk about Bush's $1.2 Trillion disaster in Iraq. The Tea Party said NO to Syria, NO to Egypt, and needs to say No to Ukraine.
So what?
Ukraine is not part of Russia or The Russian Federation.
It is a sovereign independent nation that can do what it wants, the totalitarians here on ZH notwithstanding in their desire to see Russia apply the jackboot.
What you are all arguing is that Ukraine is not now, nor has never been, sovereign.
You are arguing that they have no right to do what Russia disapproves of.
I say what Ukraine said today;
Go To Hell. It's their country, Russia is invading, you fascists support this invasion.
Tell that to Poland
What is with this 'We' shit, Kemosabe? I live in Asia.
I am referring to the Ukrainian people and the desire of those in the western 2/3rds of the country to be rid of Russian puppets and corrupt oligarchs.
However the overwhelming sentiment here on ZH is that the Russians (Russian Army, Russian Citizens, NOT Russian Speaking Ukrainians) have the right to impose THEIR oligarchy.
Reverse the positions. Look at the obverse.
Russia is going exactly what you accuse the USA/EU/ABC's of doing.
And Europe sits and cowers in fear. EU outnumbers outweighs and outfinances Russia by up to 6X.
Does Poland or the EU recognise the independent Western Oblasts to support them? No.
Does Russia invade the Eastern Oblasts to support them? Yes.
You guys cannot see the issue - you are blind, compleatly and utterly blind.
Russia gets your approval to do what you would condemn the EU to do.
It's called 'The Double Standard'.
In non peer-reviewed language, you are all compleatly and utterly full of shit.
The Russians have whiped napoleon and hitler ass. Don't miss with Russia.
Did not do so well against Finland, however...
Ukraine tells Russia invasion means war
http://www.thespec.com/news-story/4392238-ukraine-tells-russia-invasion-means-war/
Anybody remember how the US encouraged the Hungarian revolution?
...or the Kurdish insurrection in Iraq?
Both parties were left in the lurch and suffered mightily.
KUNMING Killer's slaughter 30, and injure 200 at Train Station
This is interesting news, nobody has admitted, but it was a group effort of 5+ men dressed in black with 'long knives", only those who couldn't RUN died.
At least 28 die in 'terrorist' attack at Chinese train station: reportshttp://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/01/us-china-attack-idUSBREA200OQ2...
Well its a very important story, and it should be interesting how long it takes the ZH bot's to make a synthetic post.
If push comes to shove affirmative action commie poutus shud send his 'left hand man' Hiding' Biden' over there to smile and show the Ruskies his big brilliant white false teeth of his! That shud be enuf to make 'em change their minds!
The new USSR... not totally unlike the old USSR.
Just in time for the March 4th financial melitodwn.
Ukraine announced nation-wide mobilization to start at 8 am local time on March 2nd
This was announced on national TV by Andrey Parubiy the secretary of the Council of National Defence and Security
http://conflict.rbc.ua/rus/v-ukraine-obyavlena-vseobshchaya-mobilizatsiy...
sad but true
dont touch syria cos it is an internal problem
ukraine is ous bitches
tnx vlad
usa
usa
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too much UKRAINE, ZH pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeze back-off
Russia has to protect his people, without law enforcement and the coming civil war to UKRAINE, who in the hell is going to protect the Russian Majority? Obama? Not
Anybody see the EURO @ 1.38 and going higher than shit, .... if we were to believe a 'real war' in EUROPE would we really see the EURO sky-rocketing? It's like all these country's are BUYING Euro's.
HILLARY/LURCH fucked UKRAINE, Israel wants to become GAZPROM, so they tried to take Syria, and now UKRAINE, but its all economics, because they know that the USD will soon collapse.
Israel and everybody else, including PUTIN wants EURO's.
This is all about GETTING "EUROS", the ONLY 'GOOD' money around. So it seems.
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PUTIN will just do what is necessary to have a show of force, and should any mob fuck with RUSSIANS, there will be a quick and nasty show of force, hopefully nobody will be stupid,...
Whenever the MSM (ZH), spend this much time on a subject, you know they're distracting us from something MORE important.
do we really give ashit wot a soon to be 3rd world nation does (nothing) and i am not talking about russia here your ed u ca ton should be enuff succers
Long & Strong this thread is/
An nice song. "If you leave me now "
Putin,
I have meet the US president and he's a pussy.
A real pussy riot
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_newspapers_in_Ukraine
http://en.pravda.com.ua/ {(all news)(current month)}
http://www.kyivpost.com/
http://en.interfax.com.ua/
http://www.day.kiev.ua/en
Obama doesn't make a move until he consults with Jay-Z and Beyonce.
Until then, the world holds its collective breath.