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Ukraine Denies Russia's Denial, Claims Ships Threatened With Seizure
Minutes after Russia denied it had issued an ultimatum to the Ukraine navy, Ukraine's acting president has just denied the denial.
- UKRAINE'S TURCHYNOV SAYS SHIPS THREATENED IF ARMS NOT LAID DOWN
- UKRAINE'S TURCHYNOV SAYS SHIPS THREATENED WITH SEIZURE
- UKRAINE'S TURCHYNOV SAYS SITUATION AROUND FLEET IS DANGEROUS
- UKRAINE'S TURCHYNOV SAYS RUSSIA INCREASING CRIMEA FORCES
- UKRAINE'S TURCHYNOV SAYS RUSSIAN BLACK SEA FLEET HAS BLOCKED UKRAINIAN NAVY VESSELS IN SEVASTOPOL BAYS
- TURCHYNOV SAYS SITUATION DIFFICULT IN EASTERN UKRAINE
- TURCHYNOV CALLS ON RUSSIA TO STOP AGGRESSION
What is curious here is that while it is clear why Russia would benefit from an escalation in hostilities in the Crimea, on which it did not "start" - i.e., allowing it a clear pretext to enter the "east" and "protect" its citizens - what is becoming clear is that it is Ukraine that is desperate to raise the level of hostilities. Why - if it is to force the hand of NATO, EU or the west in providing assistance, this is a wild gambit, which will backfire massively.
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Perhaps that one went a bit over your head, it's OK.
Indeed, and who is it that makes these impromptu classifications of political affiliations?
Must we all wear a sign, to say what our political flavor is? Maybe a red or blue or pink or black armband would do it? Maybe a star-of-david, to be sure our classifications are clear, and we can safely lump everyone in as the very same thing? I guess 64 bit color spectrum armbands would be too much to ask for, if you actually want political colored arm bands.
Which I don't.
I could not even articulate my political flavor, I don't believe I even have one any more. I don't vote, never will again, it is not the solution. If voting were the solution that worked, everything would be terrific, or at least the same old very long-term fuckups would not still be present and steadily degenerating.
But this fact of my non-affiliation would not stop someone else, let's say akak, for instance, from projecting an arm-band on to me, via his own mind's classification process.
But that would be him being the classifier of everyone, which he projects into his mind. It would not actually be me, or you, that he was 'seeing', at all. It would have nothing at all to do with me, or you. Nothing at all.
It would be 100% akak which akak was perceiving, in that case, his own mental translation of what's really there - but not what is actually there.
Which he does not directly know or encounter, at all, at any point, in that internal perception and translation process.
But I guess this subtlety is a bridge too far for some.
Last I looked Putin is not on my speed-dial, and he does not return my calls, or voice mail, but I only wanted to let him know that I've built a little cinder-block alter in the corner of a room, it's not much, but there is a chesty picture of him astride a horse, and I do worship him like a GOD.
NOT
The Ukraine is currently run by a banker who was just appointed to the position. How can they tax the pipelines to pay on their debt if Russia still controls them?
Anything/anyone that embarresses the Globalist-IMF-NYCityofLondon-CIA cartel is inherently positive.
The rest is matters of degree.
Dude there are few enough sources as it is in the west showing in English the hypocrisy of NATO and USA and you want them to toe the line like all the other crap we see on the nightly network news. Take a hike then and don't come back, nobody is telling you to come to this site. We come here to see more and hear more and learn a few things along the way at zerohedge world university. So adios akak amigos
Again, your response is illogical and makes no sense.
Yes, of course, expose the hypocrisy of the US government and the EU. But NOT at the expense of apologizing for and supporting the revanchist neo-Soviet aspirations of an authoritarian thug like Putin!
What the fuck has happened to ZH?
pro-russki/kgb/putin shills, that's what happened to ZH. Glad I'm not the only one to notice it!
The cold war never ended for you, did it?
If the truth makes you uncomfortable LEAVE!!! Putin is doing what any global power would do if the Z iionist were moving into their back yard. Putin may be a thug, but he has not gone around the world for the last 2 decades invading literally dozens of countries and killing thousands trying to install Ziionist controlled puppet governmnets via control of their banks and currencies.
Maybe you shoud move to Palestine and get a taste of what real cowardice thugs do!!
You will be happy to know that, due to the pro-authoritarian shifts in editorial stance and popular opinions here on ZH, I will in fact be leaving. I have asked the administration of ZH to delete my account here, and in any case this will be my very last post after my four-year tenure here.
Please enjoy your Czar Vladimir fan club, of which I want no part.
I hope you'll reconsider, as I'd hate to think I wrote the missive below for nothing.
akak, don't give them that pleasure! tides will turn. every autocrat will show his true nature sooner or later. we have to sit this one out.
The schadenfreude has been wonderful, but it doesn't mean we admire what caused it.
" I have asked the administration of ZH to delete my account here,"
Ah wonder what your new nom de guerre will be !!!!!!!
Your type never stops.
@ akak,
That's very disappointing to read.
I expected more from you. Your view is apparently that all views should be put, but the ones you disagree with. You are way out of line there, and you should be able to see this more than plainly, and leaving like this does not change that.
If a large portion of people say objective things that causes you such conflict then the problem you object to is caused by you, not by Tyler or the zh commenters.
I know you're more than smart enough to grasp that open diversity of view is ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL.
I do not accept your position at all, it is inexcusable baloney, and surprising to hear from you.
I hope you will reconsider, though unfortunately you almost certainly won't. In which case I think you've made a needless error of judgement. I will just say that your reaction and position does not justify your comments nor your leaving like this, in any way.
Nevertheless I wish you well, will miss your repartee and would love to see you around again one day. All the very best and a sincere thank you for all the terrific intercourse, ... er, ... comradeship, ... er, ... communion, .. umm, maybe not that one, as it contains 'commies' and 'unions' ... oh well, I'm sure you get the point, you will be missed mate. :D
Hope you sort it out.
cya
akak, bro, relax and spark up a doobie or something.
Whatever Putin may be (and, like any political leader of any but the smallest of countries, he likely resides toward the loathesome end of the scale of humanity), in this particular instance he is the one exhibiting behavior befitting an adult. He is also the only head of state which has been willing to display a backbone when being pushed around by the US government and its vassal states.
Let's take a look at some things and see if we can't find some common ground.
First, this entire situation has been precipitated by the neocons running the US. Their desire to run the world has borne bitter fruit for everyone except themselves. While they have reaped profits, they have also trashed the US economy, trashed any respect which the US still had, tortured and incinerated countless people, created enemies of the US where none had existed, and turned the US into a shameful, embarrassing, full-blown police state.
Whatever the situation in the Ukraine had been, it was still the result of fair elections (which goes to show that democracy is fucked, but that's another rant altogether). Whether or not this started as some sort of "people's uprising" doesn't even matter. The neocon vampires saw it as an opportunity to exploit and they used every dirty trick in the book to do so.
They paid outside agitators to come in and push things toward violence. This is similar to the CIA-orchestrated overthrow of the Iranian government in 1953, which resulted in problems that still vex the US. When the smoke clears, don't be surprised to learn that the "opposition" was behind the snipers killing innocent people, including unarmed police.
Putin and the Russians are calling for all parties to honor the agreement of February 21, an agreement which the EU and US ostensibly supported until the day it was actually agreed to.
As for the acting, self-appointed Ukrainian "government", they are in self-preservation mode. They are criminal thugs put in place to do the bidding of our own criminal thugs. Now they see that their grip on power is tenuous and slipping, they are getting desperate. They are power-hungry psychopaths, which means they'll resort to anything to maintain their power. This includes drawing other nations into a conflagration that will result in millions of deaths. They simply don't care. They know the crimes of which they are guilty, and they know if they lose their newfound power it could result in an appointment with the hangman.
Whatever your personal feelings are regarding Putin, in this particular case he is in the right.
Second, the behavior of the US government has been embarrassing, reprehensible, and dangerous. Our own government has become the axis of evil and turned the US into a rogue nation.
As individual citizens, there is nothing we can do to change this, because too many people are still cowed by the threat of "terrorism" and/or still believe the myth that the US is the good guys.
The US is the world's bully. As long as it remains so, I believe its ongoing collapse is unstoppable. The only way to stop a bully is to stand up to him and, if necessary, bloody his nose. From what I can see, the only kid on the playground who is both standing up to the bully and is capable of giving him a bloody nose is Putin.
While I respect Putin as a leader who stands up for his country, my support of him in this instance is motivated purely by self interest. In the long run, I believe the people of the US (and the rest of the world) will be better off if the aggressive and arrogant hubris of the US government is taken down a few notches.
I hope this can be accomplished without my nephews and a bunch of people's kids on all sides having to die for the sake John McCain's and Lindsey Graham's pride. On the other hand, if expunging the evil which controls Vichy DC requires the US suffering a catastrophic and humiliating military defeat, so be it.
Think about what I've said. I've written this out of respect, so that you might understand, if not necessarily agree with, my support for Putin's actions thus far in this situation. If you choose to disagree with me, that is your choice and I won't think any less of you.
Very good post. This is the key bit in my mind: "In the long run, I believe the people of the US (and the rest of the world) will be better off if the aggressive and arrogant hubris of the US government is taken down a few notches."
I believe the same thing and think that's why people are 'cheering' for Russia.
Think what you want. But do your homework diligently
Remember we can also think and we do understand that everyone has an opinion.
Whether your opinion matters or not is left to us to determine. Not yours or the NSA's
All arguments, doctrine, politics, and opinion aside it boils down to this one thing.
People are entitled to self determination. The US NEVER allows this in nations. The US forces it's will upon other nations and is doing it all again.
Regardless of an anti or pro Putin stance, the US's actions will leave the Ukraine in an ongoing civil war with millions of refugees. Just like in Libya, Iraq etc etc etc etc etc
I think Russia is dictating the situation in the Crimea.
Problem is, the rest of Ukraine could give a shit.
Cue the "ethnic atrosity".
http://news.sky.com/story/1219619/ukraine-gangs-smuggle-weapons-into-crimea
Well, and not from RT...
It is conceivable that the FSB would actually arm and encourage a few Ukrainian ultra nationalists to start something, so that the Russian army can go on a rampage and level parts of Ukraine just to hammer the point home to the idiots in Kiev/EU/US/NATO/IMF.
False Flag lesson learned?
so the Russian denial lifts the S&P big time
but the Ukraine denial of the denial does zilch
Don't get the markets confused with actual markets.
Putin is a spy. He wants this done quickly and quietly. It is in Ukraine's interest to dare him to shoot and start an open civil war.
Putin is KGB. The methods of the KGB were feared and respected throughout the world partly because of their brutality.
I thought Crimea was already occupied by Russian troops by a previous agreement? So basically, if its just Crimea , who gives a shit?
Can we wait until the markets close before we get these headlines? You're upsetting the robots.
The Humans are Dead
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGoi1MSGu64
War, it's the human thing to do.
...like we promised the kurds? Putin means business. This is the line in the sand. Once again, the west is naive if it thinks Russia views this as just another insignificant loss to NATO
Everyone is getting their piece ('peace' heh.) of the action.
There are bankers or finance to fund these 'creative destructions'.
Pie scattered among the pieces.
Whack a Pinata !
The Svoboda and Neo-Nazi's running the show in Ukraine are quickly becoming the Slavic equivalent of the Muslim Brotherhood in the Egypt....
The Pravny Sektor/Svoboda people are running the show in Kiev. "Yats" and Yuliya's party are along for the show, but they will be removed by the overt Fascists when it's time.
These guys love their torchlit night marches, straight arm salutes and Nazi symbols.
Never underestimate the insanity of fascist anti-Russian (and anti-Polish and anti-Belarussian) West Ukrainians. They like Nazi symbols for a reason. They are quite literally mad.
The EU/US opened the gates to hell by giving aid and possibly military training/support to these crazies. They will not stop until they have killed those they hate or been killed themselves. Merkel really F*cked up on this one, she should have known better.
"They will not stop until they have killed those they hate or been killed themselves."
So they want Putin to go full Stalin on them?
Perhaps you aren't aware of the centuries of dealing with the Russians on part of the Ukrainians. Or the artificial famine that killed millions of them? Sorry, but they've been trampled on for quite a long time and yes, as a result, some of them have some pretty hard feelings about it. Now, Putin used a convenient excuse to roll into Ukraine and take the Crimea.
How is it hard to understand?
West Ukrainians don't hate East Ukrainians. They still consider them all Ukrainians. However, this is much akin to, for example, Mexicans legally or illegally immigrating to and living in Texas. Texas was once part of Mexico and joined the United States. Imagine if all of these Mexicans or those with closer affiliation to Mexico took over cities and towns in southern Texas, raising the Mexican flag. Can or should Texas or the United States stand idle while they attempt to break away and join Mexico? What if Mexican millitary then entered into Texas on the premise of defending the Mexicans and Spanish-speaking people there? Does Texas, or the US, have the right to say that all official government documents and communications will be done in English, even though some dual or non-citizens don't speak English?
I have Russian and Ukrainian family members. I don't wish to see them fight at all, but regardless of my dislike of American interventionism, Ukraine does have a legitimate issue with Russia coming in the way that they do. They may not be able to do anything about it -- many Ukrainians, dispite not liking what Russia is doing, don't have a lot of hope of crushing Russia in Crimea.
Several thousand russian troops in Crimea supported by armed self-defence groups on the streets in Sevastopol and other Crimean cities... what are the odds that just one of them is a little trigger happy and fires a round? .. Ukraine will make an "Under attack" headline within seconds.. and then hell breaks loose.
You say potato, and I say potato…you say Karkiv and I say Kharkov…
Let's Call the Whole Thing Off
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZ3fjQa5Hls
This is what you get when you let neocons run our foreign policy. How many more countries are we covertly trying to influence regime change in? Only time will tell, and the Americn public will be the last ones to find out. The propaganda is in full swing all over the airwaves and internet. The only discussions taking place in our worthless media is how awful Putin is for sending troops into Ukraine, but no discussions at all about the US role to date, or the fact we seem to be supporting neo-Nazis. I guess people don't understand how we would react if Russia tried to overthrow Mexico or Canada and install a Russian puppet government.
from jack lewlew at the4 aipac conference. try to hold onto lunch after reading this.
An IMF program should be the centerpiece of the international assistance package, and the United States is prepared to supplement IMF support in order to make successful reform implementation more likely and to cushion the impact of needed reforms on vulnerable Ukrainians.
Now the reason we are all here is because for more than 40 years, AIPAC has been the indispensable leader in keeping the alliance between the United States and Israel unbreakable. And you have done that through your powerful example of advocacy and activism—you make your voices heard, you take your case to your representatives here in Washington, and you stand up for what you believe in. This is not just your right as Americans. It is your responsibility. It is the essence of our democratic system.
And as everyone here recognizes, the future of the United States is tied to the future of Israel. This is something that every President since Harry Truman has understood.
like a giant tied boulder around the american people's neck...
It is called a millstone, and yes it was indeed used to punish people.
but wait, there's more! senator jihad McInsane spoke today as well. not surprisingly, he was for MOAR WAR, regardless of the fact that no American interest would be served:
http://www.timesofisrael.com/mccain-pans-obamas-feckless-policy-on-iran-syria-ukraine/
Damage control McGoo Insane there yet again caught in photo ops with the wrong people. This time Svoboda’s party leader Oleh Tyahnybok.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/there-are-no-neo-nazis-in-the-ukraine-and-t...
They got pictures of him here right blew Tyahnybok doing the sieg heil.
These are the same people who revere Stepan Bandera, pictures in the article of them celebrating his birthday.
http://hnn.us/article/122778
As an uncompromising leader of the militant, terrorist branch of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN), Bandera became a Nazi collaborator who lived with his deputies under German protection after World War II began. In preparation for the attack on the USSR, the Nazis recruited Bandera’s followers to act as Ukrainian-speaking policemen and to serve in two Ukrainian volunteer army battalions. By working with the Nazis, Bandera hoped to free Ukraine from Soviet rule and establish his own government there. An independent Ukraine, Bandera promised, would remain friendly to Germany.
Historian Karel Berkhoff, among others, has shown that Bandera, his deputies, and the Nazis shared a key obsession, namely the notion that the Jews in Ukraine were behind Communism and Stalinist imperialism and must be destroyed. “The Jews of the Soviet Union,” read a Banderist statement, “are the most loyal supporters of the Bolshevik Regime and the vanguard of Muscovite imperialism in the Ukraine.” When the Germans invaded the USSR in June 1941 and captured the East Galician capital of Lvov, Bandera’s lieutenants issued a declaration of independence in his name. They further promised to work closely with Hitler, then helped to launch a program that killed four thousand Lvov Jews in a few days, using weapons ranging from guns to metal poles. “We will lay your heads at Hitler’s feet,” a Banderist pamphlet proclaimed to Ukrainian Jews.
This is a truth that many in Ukraine, particularly in its western parts, deny. In his book Erased (2007), Omer Bartov discusses the large bronze statue of Bandera that stands in a park in the east Galician town of Drohobych, most of whose 15,000 Jews were murdered. The park stands on the site of the town’s former Jewish ghetto, but there is not so much as a plaque in the park to memorialize the Jewish dead. This and other examples like it make a condemnation of Yushchenko’s step necessary.
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Does anyone in their right mind think the jooos would have backed regime change knowing these where the dogs the State Department and White House really backed and used Tymoshenko and her lackies as cover to obfiscate the fact. They love to feign incompetence to cover their asses while using Alinsky community organizer divide and conquer tactics on their real enemies. The Germans as we find out backed punch drunk the one Fuck the EU was refering to. Pictures of her also hangin with Tyahnybok are also in that article.
Interesting aside concerning Bandera and how much of Ukraine actually supports Bandera and the breakdown and where and in turn we can make the same association to the people's actual support of Svoboda currently running the show there to kind of take the temperature of where the Ukrainian people actually stand in all of this.
Here is the source paper but I am going to quote wikipedia page since it has the information in a nice compact form.
http://www.cpsa-acsp.ca/papers-2010/Katchanovski.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera
Attitudes in Ukraine Towards BanderaBandera continues to be a divisive figure in Ukraine. Although Bandera is venerated in certain parts of western Ukraine, and 33% of Lviv's residents consider themselves to be followers of Bandera, in surveys of Ukraine as a whole he, along with Joseph Stalin and Mikhail Gorbachev, is considered among the three historical figures who produce the most negative attitudes. A national survey conducted in Ukraine in 2009 inquired about attitudes by region toward's Bandera's faction of the OUN. It produced the following results:
In Galicia (provinces of Lviv, Ternopil, and Ivano-Frankivsk) 37% had a "very positive" opinion of Bandera, 26% a "mostly positive" opinion, 20% were neutral, "mostly negative", 6% very negative, and 6% unsure.
In Volhynia, 5% had a very positive opinion, 20% a mostly positive opinion, 57% were neutral, 7% were mostly negative, 5% very negative and 7% were unsure.
In Transcarpathia 4% of the respondents had a very positive opinion, 32% a mostly positive opinion, 50% were neutral, none had a mosly negative opinion, 7% had a very negative opinion and 7% were unsure.
In contrast, in central Ukraine (comprising the capital Kiev, as well as the provinces of Zhytomyr, Cherkasy, Chernihiv, Poltava, Sumy, Vinnytsia, and Kirovohrad) attitudes towards Bandera's faction of the OUN were 3% very positive, 10% mostly positive, 24% neutral, 17% mostly negative, 21% very negative and 25% unsure.
In Eastern Ukraine (the provinces of Donetsk, Luhansk, Kharkiv, Dnipropetrovsk and Zaporizhia) 1% each had very positive or mostly positive attitudes towards Bandera's OUN, 19% were neutral, 13% mostly negative, 26% very negative and 20% unsure.
In Ukraine's south (the Odessa, Mykolaiv and Kherson regions plus Crimea) 1% each were very or mostly positive, 13% were neutral, 31% mostly negative, 48% very negative and 25% were unsure.
In Ukraine as a whole, 6% of Ukrainians had a very positvie opinion, 8% a mostly positive opinion, 23% were neutral, 15% had a mostly negative opinion, 30% had a very negative opinion, and 18% were unsure.
There is a conspiracy theory that the Zionists supported Hitler and the persecution of Jews
in order to create the political conditions necessary for the creation of the State of Israel.
I am somewhat inclined to believe Ukraine on this one. There is little the west could do to assist them once it's done and over, unless they want to take Putin's bait and start WWIII.
This new government in Ukraine better get their heads out of their asses and decide if they are going to push back or just give up rather than waiting for NATO to come in, which isn't going to happen.
Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered all the Armed Forces of Ukraine to start any resistance to Russian invaders in the Crimea. Reported the press service of the Russian President.
" Our best of the combat-ready day after day in a row, according to the statements of the Ukrainian leadership , commit military aggression against the so-called " independent Ukrainian state. " However, the Ukrainian military units do not even try to portray a semblance at least some resistance. Responding to capture our military objects paratroopers Ukrainian soldiers every 15 minutes , sing the anthem of Ukraine and chanting " Glory to Ukraine ! " . believe that such behavior is contrary to Ukrainian troops Geneva Convention "On the rules of war ," Postdamskoy Convention " on respect for human play- off during the conduct of hostilities " and other international treaties to which Ukraine is . This is basically a mockery of the soldiers of the Russian army " - said the President .
" In addition, the Ukrainian leadership, kaleidoscopic , every day is changing not only the Minister of Defense , but the commander of all the armed services . Our intelligence does not have time , not that prepare dossiers , but even remember the names of all these ensigns yesterday : Kendyuhov , Smityuk , and gladukov and other lyublyusalo pyugorilku . Honestly, tired of this mess. "- shared incumbency of the reasons of such order the Russian president .
;-))))
I think if Putin really pushes this "war" by any means, whatever it takes, then he just lost his cold, smart thinking, and is acting clearly from anger, ego etc. It is not in his real interest to start a war. He does not need a war to manipulate and de-stabilize the Ukraine, that is what Russia did for the last 20 years. Actually, he would not need to do anything to get the situation develop for his advantage: he would just have to sit back and watch Ukraine collapse. So I do not really understand this. An escalating war would encourage other parts of Russia, or neighbors to riot against Russian influence. Terrorist activity against Russia would react also, probably these actions would multiple in many parts of the Empire. War in Ukraine would be very dangerous to the "flow" (terrorist attacks against pipelines, for example). Rubel's plunging, stocks falling, foreign exchange reserves burning, there are many bad effects of this to Russia. I can understand why Putin's so upset, but I don't see why he pushes the situation this far, this fast. I don't see he is thinking clearly now. And that is dangerous.
Clearly you do not understand Russia or Russian thinking.
No matter what the costs of Putin's Crimea Op may eventually be, over the long term they will prove FAR less than if he sat idly by while the Western debt ponzi and the banks that sponsor it moved their scam to his doorstep.
Putin and the Russian leadership understand that fortune favors the bold. It's now or never.
Only if it remains as Non-Nuclear war.
Otherwise, everyone loses.
LMFAO!!!!
Like December 7, 1941, but instead the invaders showed up the day before to mingle with the locals in preparation to slaughter them tomorrow.
Fuck, this is like that fake wrestling shit on TV in the 1990s.
And then the two fucks at the top who's best line is "no I didn't, you did".
This planet is fucking stupid.
Great watch!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2AIRW5797s
LOL I WOULD TAKE THIS GUY OVER JOHN KERRY ANY DAY...
RUSSIA DENIES UKRAINES DENIAL OF RUSSIAS DENIAL OF UKRAINES DENIAL OF RUSSIAS DENIAL...
Kindly do not confuse Obama
His teleprompter does not give explanations.
mother russia hedged it's bets months ago. knowing quite well after the anti-gay bashing and puerile behavior of the ussa-- having sent a rainbow-gay coalition of the 'third kind', too basically hijack with an... 'in-your-face' sochi culture-clubbing clusterfuck? where the game,... yes, the Great Games' was 'or' were, no longer 'the game', but blatant subservient western ideologies that the founding Greek's would have indulged in, on-or-off the field-of-play???
these glossy and quasi-esoteric ideoschematics didn't sit well with Vlad's idealism of a grand populus in his mother`russia? it's just a fish-out-of-water... that simple-- that... did not square the circle of common sense when such action has always been tolerated without making it a grand-fiasco-circus act [pt barnum style], as the ussa does with it's myriad of pizza wedge-issues for every day of the year year! personally, the logic has been factored into the equation. thusly the game of a masterchessman juxtaposing a rationale calculus having to apply an extra variable posited only upon an ideo`schematics du`jour-schism in a zero-sum game is all but irrational to say the least?!? Hmmm...
the rest of the world laughed at mother russia for adhering to it's beliefs and subtle tolerances that all great societies emulate, rather than the mockery the ussa makes of every wedge issue as a triumph for democracy!!!
remember that thing called the '99 percent'?
Truth is the first casualty.
Duplicate.
Deleted.
Ukraine, support is growing thin:
"The government will not curb trade with Russia or close London's financial centre to Russians as part of any possible package of sanctions against Moscow, according to an official document.
The document, which was photographed as a senior official carried it into a meeting in Downing Street, says that "the UK should not support for now trade sanctions or close London's financial centre to Russians", while it confirms that ministers ARE considering - along with other EU countries - visa restrictions and travel bans on key Russian figures.
It also says that ministers should "discourage any discussion (eg at Nato) of contingency military preparations" and support "contingency EU work on providing Ukraine with alternative gas" and oil supplies "if Russia cuts them off". "
Source: BBC
Also:
"Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., says US should hold off on punishing Russia until Europe is on board with a specific Ukraine response" - politicoPS Just wanted to add that the French FM declared the situation "not serious enough" for France to stop selling warships to Russia.
Russia + UK + France = Love
From Russia with love
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVuL_zgCi4U
Today's difference is the real Culprits are Obama and his Fed masters.
it is funny that finally Ukranian Internal Affairs Ministry has ordered to increase security around Chernobyl
http://conflict.rbc.ua/rus/vv-mvd-pereshli-na-usilennyy-variant-ohrany-c...
There are 4 active nuclear plants in Ukraine with 15 reactors in total
My how desperate the "CANVAS" team has gotten!...
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=008_1393830883
55% of Ukrainian's may want to join the EU, but 55% of French want the fuck out! This Zio one world order shit show is nearing its lifespan but they just never give up, gotta give them that.
55% in western Ukraine... possibly but unlikely in the whole country and definitely not in the eastern and southern parts.
what is becoming clear is that it is Ukraine that is desperate to raise the level of hostilities.
But those ain't Ukrainians "doing the talkin"!
I love it when Putin lies. Every lie is a fuck you to the IMF, and other interested parties.
Is Japan & Turkey still going to build a nuclear power plant on the Dead Sea, across from Ukraine? HAHAHA!
@chuck: Is Japan & Turkey still going to build a nuclear power plant on the Dead Sea?
Dead Sea elsewhere.
Black Sea has become the Dead Sea?
The first Russian to board one of the Ukranian ships would be a very brave man. The first Ukranian to shoot him would be a very stupid man.
Edit: OK, I'll change it to the first guy to press the big red button is a very stupid man.
So when does somebody blow up a section of pipeline?
The Putschists need to hype up the Russian threat to get Western money to replace the $15 billion Russia is freezing. They cannot pay pensions or staff and that will bring them down so they squawk to get Westerners vto fund them
The Russians gave Ukraine $1.5 billion in gas on credit. Try that with your local utility company.
Secretary General announces North Atlantic Council to meet following Poland's request for Article 4 consultations
The North Atlantic Council, which includes the ambassadors of all 28 NATO Allies, will meet on Tuesday 4 March, following a request by Poland under article 4 of NATO's founding Washington Treaty.
Under article 4 of the Treaty, any Ally can request consultations whenever, in the opinion of any of them, their territorial integrity, political independence or security is threatened.
The developments in and around Ukraine are seen to constitute a threat to neighboring Allied countries and having direct and serious implications for the security and stability of the Euro-Atlantic area.
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Must be those kaliningrad "exercises" putin ordered. Well, if UK and France are too busy sucking putin's cock, maybe one directly threatened country should lead the way.
PS You russkie shills already know where to stick your red arrows.