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Ron Paul: Putin's Crimea Invasion "Has Law On Its Side"
The West will claim "everything Putin does is illegal," but while Ron Paul notes "he's no angel," the former congressman adds Putin "has some law on his side." America has a right of secession and Crimea should have it too - "it's such a facade," Paul explains, noting that "contracts, and agreements, and treaties" linked to the Sevastopol base provide Putin with a legal basis to militarily occupy Crimea, "Russia could accuse America of occupying Cuba because it, too, holds a lease on the land around the Guantanamo Bay prison."
Paul goes on to note the hypocrisy of the West and alleges US and European participation in the overthrow of Yanukovich... and for good measure discusses Diane Feinstein, the CIA and spying...
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"...the technical term to describe Ukraine in this moment would be constitutional crisis."
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Constitution in different countries differ greatly. Therefore, the right of Parliament in various countries are also different.
What happened in Kiev, I personally can not be termed as a "constitutional crisis."
This is called as: "The armed, criminal, fascist coup organized by a foreign power."
This is an obvious act of U.S. aggression against Ukraine.
silvermail,
This is an obvious act of US aggression against Ukraine?
Wow. Russia is invading Ukraine as we speak, and you say this? Idiotic.
Good luck with that. I actually do mean that.
I've heard a lot of words that Russia invades Ukraine. But I have not seen any evidence.
But I heard the evidence of telephone conversations Ms. Nuland. She fuck Europe and decides who will be a government in a foreign sovereign country. I call it as "an act of aggression."
In addition, the concept of "invasion" can not be used when requests for military assistance legitimate and democratically elected President, with the support of 80% of the population.
Ghordius,
You made a great point. The parliamentary systems in Europe seem to depose heads of state quite often, if I'm not mistaken. It seems that Italy changes more often than not.
In any case, your notation of the fact that parliaments in Europe are in a dominant position to the head of state is an EXCELLENT point. They do not recognize terms of service like we do in the US. Thanks for making that point.
What applies to Europe or Asia, it is not applicable to the Ukraine or the United States.
Constitution and laws in different countries are different. Do not try to force one country to live under the laws of another country. Because it is called "colonization."
Well, the president decided to flee, and then parliament decided to get on the side of the people so they wouldn't have to flee as well. See, government doesn't have the right to govern without the consent of the governed, no matter what said government may think.
Why is everybody so hell bent on supporting Yanukovich and Russia and Putin in this situation?
And by the way, the average American housewife knows more about current events than anyone on earth, thanks to the radio and internet and cable tv. You should probably come up with a new insult.
The words "decided to flee" is not represented among the legal definitions of the incumbent.
Democratically elected president is legitimate regardless of its location. Otherwise, Obama is losing its legitimacy each time, when he leaving the United States for one reason or another.
Okay, but I understood that the parliament deposed him after he fled. That was legal in my understanding. It is the pro-Russia side that says the parliament's actions and the interim president is not legitimate. The pro-Ukraine side says it is legal and legitimate. This is what creates civil war.
I don't know which is accurate. That is up to Ukraine to duke it out.
May I ask if are you Ukrainian? Russian? I just ask because I prefer clarity over agreement. You are being very respectful and I appreciate that.
"Okay, but I understood that the parliament deposed him after he fled."
It's bad that you can not understand that: The parliament Ukraine, has no legal right do "deposed" the President. It does not depend from the President "he fled", "he fly" or "he farted".
Jesus Christ. Everyone has a fucking agenda. Let's all throw out our own version of "facts" and rationalizations on the Crimea/Ukraine/Russia situation.
Our leaders are insane.
The Faux news neo-con scum make me sick. Dr. Paul did a good job of setting the record straight as he always does.
I'm calling bullshit. Crimea is occupied and any "referendum" is in name only.
I say Kiev is occupied and any laws or appointments or govt leaders there are bogus and illegal, and should be tried for mass murder.
The appointments in KIEV are gods chosen people by god's chosen people, are you going to fuck with god?
PUTIN versus GOD,... guess who will win?
No time in history, even the so called 'holocaust' it was never the right-wing ZIO-NEO-CONS that engineered WW2 that died, they got out pre-1938 and fled to Palestine, Brooklyn,...
Funny that these appoints in KIEV are all ZIO-NEO-Con's and not a peep about it anywhere, funny its not even mentioned by PUTIN, for even he know's who is boss.
Reminds of me GORBY years ago, he was bought off and sent to the SF Presidio, with ZIO's today so many being TRILLIONAIRES, now ZIO-NEO can buy any politician, anytime, any place and settle him anywhere.
Don't laugh, this is exactly what ZIO did with Gorbachev, years ago.
Relax.
Go have a bagel with a schmear.
"PUTIN versus GOD,... guess who will win?"
You have a very distorted ideas about God. But of course Putin will win. As usual.
So he is cool with military aggression & invasions of soverign nations as long as someone else is doing it. Got it.
Still #TeamRand2016 though.
I am going to find out who makes those fucking huge tents they us in refugee camps. Then I am going to by a ton of calls.
That, and those huge bags of wheat they send to the camps.
They are not going to able to keep that stuff in stock.
Ron Paul is the voice of reason among those Fox News cunts
"Ron Paul is the voice of reason among those Fox News cunts"
I agree with your point of view. Especially when you consider that Ron Paul always says the same thing, that says Putin.
HAHAHA, even Faux news shows themselves to be singing from the same propaganda playbook as all the other networks.
To address a comment here about no right to secede, I recommend some open minded study and investigation of the events leading up to the civil war and why Abraham Lincoln is the worst president this nation ever had and is the seminal force behind most of the central government problems we have today.
Do we need to go in to all the treasonous activities of Mr. Lincoln yet again? Just one is telling enough. Either the south legally seceded and was recognized as a separate nation, or Mr. Lincoln (not congress) declared war on his own citizens.
Using that logic we all should still be English peasants.
The long game here is to break up the US and merge NA into the North American sector. Fwd soviet
It seems ZH has an influx of Fox watchers, Limbaugh listeners, and Townhall posters.
The intellectual content has dropped substantially.
Yes, which explains your presence here.
You forgot to add 'ditto' to your comment.
All the Limbaugh listeners usually do that.
Thankfully, we are spared having to read the ramblings of the 'left' side of the 'right vs left' b.s. paradigm. Not too many of them show up here. The so called 'conservatives' are bad enough.
I think God said it best when he banished Satan to Hell - 'blow me'
I don't see that many -but clearly their are paid trolls who are polluting the message Boards here at ZH. There's got to be a way of getting rid of such filth without stifling free speech and intelligent commentary. Unfortunately that takes time and money and unless it get out of control, it's probably best just to ignore them.
"There's got to be a way of getting rid of such filth without stifling free speech and intelligent commentary."
Nancy Pelosi and 0 would be proud of that stupid, stupid statement.
ZH needs some "content police".
Some wayward thought might enter someones head and cause their brains to explode.
Even worse...bruise their feelings.
The horror.
said the communist - if you can make wild assumptions so can I
The long game here is to establish precedent to break up the US and merge NA into the North American sector. After the US, everyone else. Fess up old man.
Nothing last forever, eventually a cesspool becomes full of shit and either must be pumped, or cemented over.
That time has come for the USA, for 100+ years the ZIO's have used the USA as a money tree (USD FIAT TO INFINITY), and a mercenary army (CIA-NSA/MOSSAD-USMIL/FBI/DEA/DHS).
Now the USD is almost collapse, and the mercenary's will then go UNPAID, ... nothing last's forever not even a cesspool.
My personal guess is that now ZIO has its eye's on EUROPE and they're trying to grab total fucking control, of EUROPE by way of UKRAINE, for its the ingress of all heating oil, and such is life. Think of UKRAINE as the new Brussles, but before the USD collapses ZIO want's full fucking control over the EURO.
Now you have PUTING versus Netanyahu for the final battle. PUTIN want's EURO's, NETANYAHU wants EURO's,
The EUROPEAN PEOPLE, they're just fucking PALESTINIANS.
But make no fucking mistake the USA is a USEFUL IDIOT, that whose time is now finished,... nothing left in the USA to steal. In time post civil war ZIO will return to and invest and rebuild and BUY the USA for nano-cents on the EURO.
Secession is an answer.
Although Mutiny is a lot more fun.
I love that bitch 'Mutiny'.
The USA Constitution SAY'S
"The people have at all times the right to abolish thier government"
Talk about secession hell, lets talk ABOLISH and nothing else.
Where?
The Decleration of Independence is incorporated into the US Code as Organic Law
http://uscode.house.gov/browse/frontmatter/organiclaws&edition=prelim
Not according to the Supreme Court.
Yes, but the Supreme Court has taken the position as final 'decider' when in fact that is not legally in its purview.
zionhead
Actually that's in the Declaration of Independence. But it is the law of the land.
The Decleration of Independence is incorporated into the US Code as Organic Law
http://uscode.house.gov/browse/frontmatter/organiclaws&edition=prelim
Actually all we need done is the elimination of the IRS; if you cut off their oxygen the politicians die.
I'm for most anything that costs the globalists money and slows their buildup of the US Forces that they are preparing to kill us citizens with.
you know King George III was nuts like the globalists are.
No shit That's why we're laughing at John Kerry's ultimatum. He is fucking with his borrowers to cut a check for one billion. They will smash the treasury market if sanctions are placed.
By my back of the napkin math, we got 1,760,000,000 worth of their gold. That means we are still up 760,000,000
Ron Paul is one of the relaively few people who understand the difference between Globalism and Centralism.
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Suddenly a whole new world of Opportunities have opened up for me.
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Cute and funny.. Carry on. No sarc tag.
Funny not a word here about the ZIO-STOOGES that were assigned to lead Kiev, and admin the war to GRAB all of Ukraine.
Funny that the entire NARRATIVE on UKRAINE here at ZH, ... is only about PUTIN.
Yet, the 500 LB gorilla in the living room here is the fucking NULAND stooges and whores that got us here, but like MSM, its all about PUTIN.
Fuck the MSM narrative, come on ZH let's talk about who is the puppet master here, and it sure is not PUTIN, he's just defending his Russia people from being lynched by nazi skin-heads ran out of TEL-AVIV.
The sniper story got flushed down the toilet. Just another Dennis beaker spinning the news. We have to keep up with the Facebook and Twitter advertisements social network kick back fees? Remontatzing is how we'll reach GDP growth.
Between Obama and Putin I can't tell the bitches from the whores. I guess there isn't a cunt's hair of difference between the two at this point. Both are "advocates'" of journalism and freedom of speech.
People that think they raise in a NWO power. Common sense.
Must say it.
Ron Paul - The Best President America Never Had.
' I want to break free '
Barry.
I like Ron Paul, but troops are on the ground and the CIA is in play, so who gives a shit about the law here? It is not going to be the deciding factor. All we can hope for is that we don't destroy ourselves. Sure, I like the rule of just law, but laws can be unjust and in this case, all that matters is who wins. If anybody wins, that is. Law is not going to be the deciding factor here, regardless of my ideals, Ron Paul's ideals or your ideals. We're talking about a situation where a hot war may begin. Morals will be thrown out the window.
As Dr Paul Craig Roberts pointed out, there is a treaty allowing Russia to have 25 000 men in Crimea since the 90ies, so what invasion is ZH talking about ?
Blocking Ukraine military with Russian troops, planting minefields, taking over bases, etc. is hardly a part of the treaty.
Do you think that when the U.S. bombed Europe without UN sanction, then it is more correct?
Do you mean during WWII?
The UN did not exist.
I am just waiting for the day when natural law recognizes the right of people to secede from government and be truly independent. They will only pay for things they want and will only receive payment if they actually provide goods and services to a willing buyer.
Government has overgrown in size and each new growth faze is stunting society and the future.
Granted government is F'd up but without the protection of borders you only have anarchy which always reverts to 'might makes right'. You will end up in the middle ages with Kings and Dukes, different shit, same stink.
Moon dogs are rare. I just viewed one with my Russian wife. You do not see these very often. How to take a picture of it?
Why should the Crimea be any different than Quebec Canada. They have had two referendums , on separating from Canada. Did the USA get involved and say no ? As I recall ,the American government supported Quebec's right to separate . And no call for International observers for the vote. In the case of the Crimea , hypocracy is rampent in both Ottawa and Washington ,
A military led referendum by a neighboring country is hardly a comparable example.
How many troops does the US have in Germany?
How many troops do the Russians have in Crimea?
Since the US has already liberated both countries' gold, I guess the only question now is when Merkel gets replaced with Jeff Immelt so those stupid Germans get can back on board with GE NUKE power, since the cheapest available oil on the planet is the birthright and manifest destiny of US consumers...
Two can play the gross oversimplifaction game...
OT: Urban Redneck, see what The Voice of Russia reports: EU-advocates-investigation-of-reports-about-killings-by-snipers-in-Kiev-Ashton-2840
"After the declaration of the negotiations about snipers in the Maidan, the spokeswoman for the EU High Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy Catherine Ashton said that the European Union supported the investigation of killings by snipers in Kiev."
I find it unsurprising, as you might recall. Baroness Ashton shares, after all, your cultural preference for borderless justice, which of course is a handy imperialistic attitude, favours the strong geopolitical players, bashes local sovereignty and is generally speaking a tool of "globalism" (ok, perhaps my humour is misplaced since 70 people died in this crime, yet I think you understand my tongue-in-cheek meaning)
Better to get ahead of the curve then be shown up by the perennially hapless UN Deputy SG and the Human Rights Commissioner (a bit tongue-in-cheek). 17 October 1961, and how long did it take the French to indict Maurice Papon? They never did... instead awarding him the Legion of Honour and giving him a C-suite office at the French MIC. 28 September 2009, how long is that one going to take, we're already at four years? (At least the EU Council imposed an arms embargo within 1 month.) 18 February 2014, we're past the historical deadline for an arms embargo, and given the perceived EU interests at stake, I would be surprised if the investigation turned up anything "inconvenient" for the EU... whenever they get around to actually investing and writing up a an official report of findings, given the historical precedents of not being too self-critical when TPTB's interests are involved. The notion of borderless justice sort of depends of one's definition of the border, even moreso in the case of Ukraine (to paraphrase and one-up Bubba Clinton). And while we're all sitting here waiting for hell to freeze over, the most effective method of combating State hypocrisy (short of taking up arms against it) is to continue to point it out (loudly) and attach actual names to actual hypocrisy, instead of chasing phantoms ;)
But criminals and Nazis, who seized power in Kiev by force of arms via mass murder and deceit, it is more correct, is not it?
Off Topic but.... this story is worth following
Military radar-tracking evidence suggests a Malaysia Airlines jetliner missing for nearly a week was deliberately flown across the Malay peninsula towards the Andaman Islands, sources familiar with the investigation told Reuters.
Two sources said an unidentified aircraft that investigators believe was Flight MH370 was following a route between navigational waypoints - indicating it was being flown by someone with aviation training - when it was last plotted on military radar off the country's northwest coast.
The last plot on the military radar's tracking suggested the plane was flying toward India's Andaman Islands, a chain of isles between the Andaman Sea and the Bay of Bengal, they said.
Waypoints are geographic locations, worked out by calculating longitude and latitude, that help pilots navigate along established air corridors.
A third source familiar with the investigation said inquiries were focusing increasingly on the theory that someone who knew how to fly a plane deliberately diverted the flight, with 239 people on board, hundreds of miles off its intended course from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.
"What we can say is we are looking at sabotage, with hijack still on the cards," said that source, a senior Malaysian police official.
All three sources declined to be identified because they were not authorised to speak to the media and due to the sensitivity of the investigation.
Officials at Malaysia's Ministry of Transport, the official point of contact for information on the investigation, did not return calls seeking comment.
Malaysian police have previously said they were investigating whether any passengers or crew had personal or psychological problems that might shed light on the mystery, along with the possibility of a hijacking, sabotage or mechanical failure.
The comments by the three sources are the first clear indication that foul play is the main focus of official suspicions in the Boeing 777's disappearance.
As a result of the new evidence, the sources said, multinational search efforts were being stepped up in the Andaman Sea and also the Indian Ocean.
The UK should leave Northern Ireland
I've thought this for a long time.
And just to think we would be rid of the venal David Trimble forever - a nasty arrogant NI politician who assaulted me at LHR a while back claiming I had jumped a non-existent queue waiting for an elevator, when in truth he simply expected to be allowed to board before everybody else. He got a well placed knee in the groin for that.
I would drink to that
Texas should leave the US
Ron Paul... great guy.
Also living, breathing proof that genuine, significant change cannot and will not ever come from within an utterly corrupt system.
1 Trillion Zion Shekel UPVOTE on this one,... if voting or 'change' could fix this corrupt system the ZIO-WHORES would have fool-proofed ( fixed that loophole in ) their system long ago.
Now its simply talking heads, as CHOMSKY calls "Manufacturing Consent", on two ends of dim-nut continuum of Moronity.
I say let them fuck each other to death,.. lots of good places still on earth to lay low while the beast consumes what's left of HUMAN LIFE on earth.
I like Ron Paul but there is a time to go public with certain opinions and a time to hold your cards close.
He is not helping the situation and should shut up for now.
0 and his crew have screwed things up enough without a tacit approval of another communists ambitions.
If one can like Bush and Cheney and Co. illegally invade another country and kill hundreds of thousands of people including American soldiers with the end result that we just leave without so much as those bastards getting a parking citation, then there is no such thing as meaningful law....
"it's such a facade," Paul explains, noting that "contracts, and agreements, and treaties" linked to the Sevastopol base provide Putin with a legal basis to militarily occupy Crimea.”
No Ron, they don’t.
"Russia could accuse America of occupying Cuba because it, too, holds a lease on the land around the Guantanamo Bay prison."
What ?
Seriously?
Is the US occupying Cuba like Russia is occupying the Crimea?
So why doesn’t Russia make that accusation?
Surely this would be the perfect moment … if it were true.
Putin is breaking so many international laws and agreements that it is unlikely that he would agree to even sitting down and talking about the Crimea, because the first item on the agenda would be the international agreements that he is breaking.
The United Nations charter (article 2(4)) prohibits "the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations."
Russia’s decision to move military forces into Ukraine is not only a violation of the UN Charter and general international law, but also of the bilateral treaty permitting Russia to retain the Black Sea Fleet in Ukraine (last amended 2010), and also of the security assurances given in the Budapest Memorandum of 1994 by Russia (and also by the US, the UK, France and China).
The Budapest Memorandum of 1994 was supposed to provide security assurances to the Ukraine which gave up 1,900 nuclear weapons. Russia signed this agreement and has now broken it, in the process probably ending all future chance of unilateral nuclear disarmament by any other nation.
The bilateral treaty regarding the Black Sea Fleet was last amended in 2010
Signed in 1997, the bilateral treaty regarding the Black Sea fleet was last amended in 2010, when ousted President Viktor Yanukovych extended the Russian fleet's lease in Crimea to at least 2042, in exchange for a modest 10 percent discount on Russian gas imports.
Under the agreement, Russia can have up to 25,000 troops and personnel in Crimea, but there are plenty of conditions attached. In particular, only 1,987 members of the Russian military contingent can be marines and ground troops, according to Yevhen Perebyinis, the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry spokesman.
On March 3, during the United Nations Security Council session, Foreign Minister Andriy Deshchytsia also tweeted that Russian troops need to request permission from the Ukrainian authorities 10 days in advance to be able to leave their bases.
“True, Russia can have up to 25,000 troops in Crimea, according to Black Sea Fleet agreements, but only on military bases and not around and armed with AKs,” the minister tweeted.
Yes, this is what the bilateral treaty says. Really.
Putin has no legal basis for his actions.
We know he wants, we know he needs …. But he is acting illegally.
I am frankly astonished by Ron Paul’s statement.
Although probably not as astonished as any Cubans who read it.
@ Onthebeach
- If in Kiev was an armed criminal coup: then Turchynov, Yatsenyuk and other is criminals. They should be arrested and prosecuted.
- But if in Kiev was an people's revolution: then this is now a different country, for which Russia, USA, EU, Crimea and Donetsk dont have any legal or constitutional obligations.
If you are a lawyer, you should understand that Tsarist Russia and the Soviet Union after the revolution - it is different state.
And if you're not a lawyer, you should not try to use propaganda from faux news, as legal norms.
“If in Kiev was an armed criminal coup: then Turchynov, Yatsenyuk and other is criminals. They should be arrested and prosecuted.”
A large majority in the Ukrainian Parliament voted to remove Yanukovych as President.
If this was some kind of plot then it involved nearly everyone except Yanukovych.’
Perhaps they objected to his Tsar-like lavish lifestyle.
“At Yanukovich's abandoned secret estate a short distance from Kiev, people flocked to take photographs of his private zoo with ostriches and deer, replica ancient Greek ruins, and lavish waterways and follies.”
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/22/us-ukraine-idUSBREA1G0OU20140222
He is I believe going to be charged with misappropriating vast sums of money from the Ukrainian treasury.
“Then there is the financial swindling. Through murky transactions involving Vienna- and London-based shell companies, Yanukovych reportedly has been able to privatize a huge luxury estate called Mezhgorye, which was previously state property. As it turns out, Yanukovych, despite his public stance against European trade integration, appears to be quite integrated into Europe when it comes to his personal financial transactions and enrichment.
In addition to the Mezhgorye scandal, Yanukovych's first three years in office have been marked by rampant corruption and cronyism that favors loyal oligarchs and his relatives, who have become amazingly wealthy in the short time that Yanukovych has been in power.”
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/opinion/article/yanukovych-the-swindler/490991.html
Removing him sounds to me like democracy in action …. and not before time.
“- But if in Kiev was an people's revolution: then this is now a different country, for which Russia, USA, EU, Crimea and Donetsk dont have any legal or constitutional obligations. “
No, that’s what you would like it to be, but actually it’s still Ukraine, just minus a very corrupt President.
"If you are a lawyer, you should understand that Tsarist Russia and the Soviet Union after the revolution - it is different state."
Yes, the Soviet Union was very different to Tsarist Russia.
But Ukraine just has a different leader.
It hasn’t had a Bolshevik Revolution.
Yanukovych wasn’t Tsar Nicholas II although he tried his best to live the lifestyle.
Turchynov isn’t Lenin.
"And if you're not a lawyer, you should not try to use propaganda from faux news, as legal norms."
I wouldn’t dream of using propaganda …. but thanks for your concern.
Level of life of the president, as well as its level of corruption can not be an excuse to commit rebellion and criminal coup in the country, through mass murder. The Constitution is very different from your chatter about "Then there is the financial swindling... democracy ... blah blah blah" and so on..
In addition, the concept of "Stealing" requires proof in the form of a judgment. Your personal opinion, can not replace the Judgment of the Court or justify the actions of criminal insurgency in Kiev, who have violated the law and committed mass murder.
'"Then there is the financial swindling... democracy ... blah blah blah" and so on..'
We all know how Yanukovych feels about swindling and democracy ..... probably "blah blah blah"
After all, 'the swindler' has spent the last few years swindling billions from Ukrainians and ignoring the will of the people.
If Yanukovych is apprehended he will be tried and convicted at the Hague for a multitude of serious offences.
My personal opinion won't have anything to do with it.
State Department troll.
That little creature on the video with the horn rim glasses is obviously such a little teleprompter reading prostitute. Maybe they think putting thick glasses on it makes it look like a journalist. Personally I prefer my whores with short skirts and nice legs like how Fox used to do it. If you are going to rape my mind at least do it with a pretty girl.
Makes you wonder what FBN was thinking when they hired the very hard to look at Maria Barforomo. Woof!