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Finally, A Plausible Scenario Of What Happened To Flight 370
Submitted by Charles Hugh-Smith of OfTwoMinds blog,
The scenario that best fits the facts is a spontaneously initiated "drastic political protest" by the captain that went awry.
At long last, a plausible scenario of what happened to Flight 370 has emerged. By plausible I mean that the scenario fits all the known facts.
The key piece of evidence has finally been released by Malaysian authorities: Pilot Spoke to Air Controllers After Shutoff of Data System (NYT.com).
This proves that one of the pilots turned off the ACARS communications link and then reported to air traffic control (ATC) as if all was normal. Twelve minutes later, one of the pilots switched off the aircraft's transponder, which transmits the aircraft's altitude and location.
This sequence of events more or less proves that one of the pilots was in charge of the aircraft. Given the lack of evidence of duress, this sequence strongly suggests one of the pilots was executing a plan of his own rather than following orders of hijackers.
Given the strong political views of the captain and his mastery of the Boeing 777, all evidence points to the captain as the pilot who turned off the communication links and was in command of the aircraft thereafter.
Post-disappearance moves suggest sophisticated handling, experts say (CBSnews.com)
Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 search grows as pilots face increased scrutiny (CNN.com)
Though early reports on the captain were limited to neutral comments by peers that he was a nice guy and a devout family man, the strength of his opposition to the current regime in Malaysia is now coming to light:
'Democracy is dead': 'Fanatical' missing airliner pilot pictured wearing political slogan T-shirt (Daily Mail)
Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah, a father-of-three, was said to be a 'fanatical' supporter of the country's opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim - jailed for homosexuality just hours before the jet disappeared.
It has also been revealed that the pilot's wife and three children moved out of the family home the day before the plane went missing.
Anwar Ibrahim is a broadly popular democracy icon and former deputy prime minister whose prosecution on a charge of sodomy is seen by many Malaysians as political persecution.
‘Colleagues made it clear to us that he was someone who held strong political beliefs and was strident in his support for Anwar Ibrahim,’ another investigation source said. ‘We were told by one colleague he was obsessed with politics.’
What makes this significant is the Malaysian authorities' attempts to suppress this possible motive.
Malaysian officials initially appeared keen not to direct any suspicion towards Zaharie or his co-pilot, 27-year-old Fariq Abdul Hamid, who was last week revealed to have invited two women passengers into the cockpit and smoked on an earlier flight to Phuket.
But evidence of the way the plane’s transponder and communication systems were disabled and the way the plane was expertly flown over the Indian Ocean apparently using navigational waypoints meant only a skilled aviator could have been at the controls. Investigators were also baffled by why, if hijackers took over the plane, there was no Mayday call or signal from the two pilots to say the cockpit had been breached.
Thus we have motive and clear evidence that it was the captain, not the co-pilot, who was in command of Flight 370. Enraged by the Soviet-style show-trial and imprisonment of his political hero, the captain may have "sabotaged the flight as a form of drastic political protest." Flight 370: Was Hijacking The Pilot’s Political Revenge?
Now add in that neither the co-pilot nor the captain requested each other, and it seems increasing likely that the captain was making it up as he went along, applying his deep knowledge of the aircraft and navigation to sketch out a makeshift initial plan that was dynamically modified along the way.
I think we can easily trace a plausible series of steps the captain initially took, and then speculate knowledgeably about the challenges and decision trees that arose later in the flight.
The first challenge would be to render the co-pilot unable to contest his control of the aircraft. The easiest way would have been to dissolve a sedative in a beverage and coax the co-pilot into drinking the Mickey Finn.
The "mumbling co-pilot" heard by the airline pilot flying to Japan who radioed Flight 370 offers tantalizing (if scant) evidence of this. (Interestingly, that pilot was confident he spoke with the co-pilot, not the captain.)
Alternatively, the co-pilot fought for control of the aircraft, one explanation of the abrupt climb to 45,000, well above the aircraft's designed ceiling.
If there was a struggle, clearly the co-pilot lost that battle or had already been incapacitated by other means.
Another explanation for the climb to 45,000 feet and the subsequent drop to 23,000 feet is that the captain sought to deprive the passengers of oxygen for long enough to render them unconscious but not long enough to kill them.
Given the profile of the captain that is emerging, I see little evidence of a personality who would set out to kill everyone on board, including himself. I believe the evidence strongly suggests a political motive, to embarrass the Malaysian government and perhaps to do so by seeking asylum in another country.
Once again, the key here is to understand the incomplete nature of the captain's plan: after the initial phase was successful--turning off the ACARS and transponder, incapacitating the co-pilot, and moving beyond the range of Malaysia's military radar-- a number of destinations might have occurred to the captain. It's important to note that flying was not just the captain's vocation, it was also his hobby. I think it is safe to say his life revolved around aviation and flying.
Data showing the number of plausible runways where the plane could have touched down - which need to be at least 5,000ft - offer a baffling number of potential locations.
According to a map drawn up by U.S. radio station WNYC, there are 634 locations which could fit, from Australia to the Maldives to Pakistan.
However, the true number is likely to be even higher, as estimates of how far the plane could have travelled have been increased since the calculations were carried out.
Here is the best current map of the possible routes of Flight 370. I have added the decision tree the captain faced: either fly north and seek political asylum or a remote landing site or fly south and search for a remote landing site.
If the co-pilot had regained control of the aircraft, either alone or with the aid of crew and passengers, he would have first turned on the ACARS and transponder and sent a Mayday signal. Since this didn't happen, we can be confident that the captain was in command of Flight 370 for the duration of the flight--roughly 7.5 hours.
While we don't know if the aircraft landed at some point, we do know the last ping to the satellite was at 8:11 a.m., roughly 6 hours after the last military radar contact.
Here are some other points to consider:
The fact that the Malaysian authorities withheld the sequence of events in the cockpit strongly suggest that they quickly identified the potential for a political motivation for the flight deviation and sought to suppress speculation along this line of inquiry.
This also explains why they withheld the military radar data for three days, and their continuing reluctance to share information or come clean about what they know. They fear the truth, and with good reason.
The captain's home flight simulator suggests that he may well have practiced all sorts of landing scenarios, just out of curiosity or to sharpen his skills in outlier situations. Think about it: if you already have over 18,000 hours in the cockpits of advanced aircraft, you're not going to practice conventional landings you could do in your sleep. That would be beyond boring to someone of his experience.
Given the few hours the captain had to assemble his plan, it is likely that once the initial phase was successful, he might have changed his mind, perhaps more than once.
Given his long experience in aviation, I think it very likely that he knew that the primary and military radars in the region were usually turned off at night. Off-the-record confirmations of this have come from Thailand and Indian officials with knowledge of radar covering the Andaman and Nicobar islands.
Thus it is not surprising there were no primary radar sightings in the region: most or perhaps all of the radars were turned off.
It's also worth noting that most of the primary radars in the region have limited ranges--100 miles or less appears to be average. It is more than possible to thread a flight through the gaps in coverage, even if the radars were active.
Let's assume my speculation is accurate and the captain had no intention of crashing the 777 and killing all on board. As I noted in my first entry on Flight 370, if that was his intention (or simply suicide), why fly for hours? Despite his best intentions, he may have encountered some problem that he responded to incorrectly; it's even possible that he missed his intended destination or became confused about his location.
What Happened to Flight 370? An Analysis of What Is Known (March 13, 2014)
The scenario that best fits the facts is a spontaneously initiated "drastic political protest" by the captain that went awry, despite his intentions and experience.
One last thought: since the U.S. must monitor potential airborne threats and nuclear explosions virtually everywhere on the planet (with the exception of Antarctica), why wouldn't the U.S. have wide-aperture thermal imaging assets in space? And if the U.S. has space-based thermal imaging assets, would they be so low quality that the heat signature from two large jet engines would not show up? That seems unlikely.
Since it has long been known that the U.S. has "wired the oceans for sound," (SUBMARINES, SECRETS, AND SPIES - NOVA/PBS) it's also likely that the sound of a large aircraft hitting the water would also have been detected, regardless of the remoteness of the location.
All of which is to say that it seems probable that the global and space-based intelligence gathering assets of the U.S. recorded some sort of signals that could provide clues to the final resting spot of Flight 370.
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A sense of morality?
Operations Northwoods
They don't give a fuck, they see the pawns as essential sacrifices for the "greater cause/good."
If this was a political statement, where in the fuck is the statement and the plane? Come on Charles stick to what you know.... financial markets.... ooops nevermind keep up your ridiculous speculations.
It wasn't a political statement, that's BS. I do think this captain lost his cookies for personal reasons.
Yeah, I recall when I was first introduced to the notion of a divorce that I my mind was a sharp as a tack...
What are the probabilities that everyone else on the plane could be obvlivious to problems?
Not saying it couldn't have happened this way, but if it did then this guy was super-humanly calculating. Training on controlling something that has set parameters is one thing, dealing with the dynamics of a bunch of people (and external systems and functions) is another...
I agree, it's quite the mystery. However, same problems would exist for a couple of hijackers -- controlling all the passengers and taking over the cockpit, for which there is no evidence. If the pilot didn't pressurize the cabin and took the aircraft up to 45,000 feet (which he did or someone did), most if not all passengers would have passed out.
My response was in regard to it being a personal issue, a "suicide." Again, why go through all the complexities to kill yourself?
Hijackings for other reasons is a lot more likely...
Has no one watched lost? Those people crashed and were eaten by some shadow monster.
I wasted 6 months watching that damn show. The way this investigation is going, could be wasting another 6 months on this clusterfuck and still have no idea what the hell was going on.
Everything about this points to the US government as the party that stole the plane (landing it in Diego Garcia). Who else could evade US tracking systems except the US itself?
Duh! There are no shadow monsters in that area!
That's what THEY want you to think!
... if the plane was hijacked then after a week it should have landed somewhere ... then they should at least make some demand or statement as to why they did it or what they want?
Yeah, if it was an hijacking aimed at making some sort of deal. Only possibility (along this kind of theory0 that I could think of is that it's more like a theft of a car and that, rather than being parted out or resold elsewhere (kind of hard to traffic something like a 777 I'd figure) it's more likely that it's intended for a future "operation," that or it had very risk-rewarding cargo...
It was a 'crazed political dissident'....uh huh sure, elites create a strawman to gain sympathy for themselves. I don't believes it till I sees it.
Obviously a lone nut, political dissident, disgruntled radical, perhaps a secret homosexual, no relationship to any other "lone nuts" or political movements. No government involvement by any of dozens of governments, no criminal gang involvement, no financial support from anyone or group.
All the witnesses are dead, killed by the fiendishly clever lone nut without any possibility of self-defense or call for help, and all physical evidence is conveniently disappeared.
Oh boy lets just hope they don't find out he had a Bitcoin wallet on his phone. All hell would break loose.
Somthings one ought shut up about. Now you've given them an idea! </sarc>
Phone will have pictures of Putin and Snowden...
Passengers mostly Chinese, so the plane goes to China where pilot requests asylum. Most passengers are home, not kidnapped. Malaysian gov't, which opposes Chinese territorial expansion in South China Sea, shown to be incompetent. Semi-conductor engineers on flight made employment offers they can't refuse. Pilots wife and kids who left home the day before the flight join him in China. China says - hey, we had nothing to do with this. Just responding to a request by freedom-loving pilot. So sorry - here's your plane back.
It would be so cool if you are right.I hope you are,:
But why the delay?
Why would a pro airline pilot need to hijack a plane to obtain asylum or simply move to another country? And in any case, he doesn't need asylum, there is no evidence he was wanted by the police, he could just go anywhere he wanted.
He can fly planes by himself, he can travel anywhere for free (dead-head) on his vacation time-off days, he presumably has sufficient income to buy or rent a second home anywhere in the world (except the most expensive places, but that's unimportant here).
Bingo. Plus he would have to be a real sociopath to endanger the lives of 200+ people to pull off a stunt like this. Where is the evidence that the had that kind of personality defect?
So...it arrived in Beijing as scheduled?
So unbelievably interesting. This scenario looks quite convincing. I would like to add that unlike what everybody is saying, you do not need 2,500 meters to land a 777. Although this is the official security distance, when the plane is empty, which must have been the case after more than 7 hours of flight, little over 1,000 must be enough for an expert what this pilot most certainly was. This certainly expands greatly the possibilities.
According to Boeing the max distance even with a heavily loaded 777 on a wet runway it can land in less than 2,500 meters:
http://www.boeing.com/assets/pdf/commercial/airports/acaps/7772sec3.pdf
I think that take-off capabilities also should be considered, as take-offs require more real estate. Potential landing sites compared against abilities to facilitate take-off. This could help differentiate between intentions of hijacking for carco vs. hijacking for furure operation.
There was a recent incident of a large airliner (a 747 Dreamlifter cargo plane) that landed at a small airport in Wichita instead of the international airport. They empited the thing and got it back into the air somehow, though there were fears it could not lift off on the short runway.
WIldest take-off (other than military) that I'd ever experienced was out of John Wayne. 727 (I think) on a short runway really cranking it up and launching like you were being catapulted. I was hoping they'd set the plane back down so we could do it again! :-)
Perhaps the lack of published REAL short field data for the 777ER was a reason for the flight simulator? Aircraft can be flown successfully to a much shorter airport if everything is done just right. There is considerable risk of a bent aircraft from maneuvers like this. Data for this wouldn't be in an approved aircraft operation manual.
Exactly. That sounds like an interesting challenge for an experienced pilot. Configure your system to land on shorter and shorter runways. This almost sounds like the opposite of 9/11 where they could fly the plane but not land it. Here the question is: If you do not care about taking off, how short can the runway be? I am convinced this pilot new the answer!
this sounds way stretched. Incoherent. Plus, who believes garbage by the main stream media. For all we know a langley operative hijacked the plane so that at a later day they could execute Cheney's scenario of a EMP attack and then blame it some fantasy plot. Brilliant false flag to divert attention of the American plublic as the USD collapses and problems surface in droves. An external enemy is better than a internal one for DC. Their tactics are old and boring.
All this will make sense when we find out what "really happened" to the plane, .. que another false-flag or "disaster that can't go to waste" story
let the scapegoating begin.
LOOK OVER THERE, POLITCAL PROTESTORS!
My own personal favorite (that I "coined"): "Look! A distraction!" (yeah, I can get people to fall for it!)
My favorite from the time when my kids were little. LOOK! A MOOSE.
We live in the rural midwest, not a moose for hundreds of miles.
got them every time, still works if timed right.
Moose in the midwest? (plead ignorant)
Made ya' look!
From the article:
Ok, flightime, avoid radars, find a suitable airfield to land and where noone has seen the aircraft lying there since ... yeah must be a military airfield ... in a remote region without radars ... and within range ...
My guess is DIEGO GARCIA
Now why is another question ... did those 20 or so engineers worked on chinese military projects ? indeed it was then a lot easier to hijack the plane with all 20 of them in it than to kidnap each one of them ....
No problems with Diego Garcia handling a 777:
http://worldaerodata.com/wad.cgi?runway=IO2100431
Boeing 777 take-off and landing requirements:
http://www.boeing.com/assets/pdf/commercial/airports/acaps/7772sec3.pdf
North Korea has airports that would be adequate for the task.
Not everything the public has heard from the news is necessarily true.
You're ALL little people (including me) so you won't be told (until the info leaks, which it will).
Both the US and Chinese military know full well where that plane went or went down. The Chinese watch that region like a hawk so do the US military. I mean it's not as if it's 3,000 miles from anywhere in the middle o the Pacific?
Like I said, we're all little people...
Why would "they" even bother to tell "little people?"
Information regarding the engines running, etc. are forcing more out of this story than anyone was wanting to admit. If it did hit the sea, we would know. We know where it was going, etc. Intelligence agencies just can't admit it - not worth revealing secrets for a few hundred souls lost due to some wacky pilot gone astray.
No one wants to talk about the engine telemetry... too many secrets.
"Information regarding the engines running, etc. are forcing more out of this story than anyone was wanting to admit. "
Ever consider that this could be false information? Consider the source, consider who control the information. If we all swallow the premise then one can make the otherwise most implausible story sound plausible...
"See, pictures of unicorns! Yes, LOTS of them! LOTS of unicorns!" And the next thing you know you're accepting that folks were overrun by unicorns because you forgot to question the very premise of the existence of unicorns (too wrapped up in the story and the origins of the information)
All of the hard hitting facts and absence of wild speculation presented in this article has me convinced this is exactly what happened.
/sarc
The captain's home flight simulator suggests that he may well have practiced all sorts of landing scenarios, just out of curiosity or to sharpen his skills in outlier situations. Think about it: if you already have over 18,000 hours in the cockpits of advanced aircraft, you're not going to practice conventional landings you could do in your sleep. That would be beyond boring to someone of his experience.
Nah, it was reported early on that the pilot was also an RC enthusiast. Oddly, I haven't heard that again since it was first reported but it I did hear it. I don't know tons of full scale pilots but those that I do all have some kind of simulator.
I'm just an RC guy and I have a flight simulator. Lots of us do. It's the recommended way to begin these days before even buying your first plane. It's just an elaborate video game and the best way to practice new moves without crashing an expensive rig, especially if you are into 3D heli flying. Heck, I know several guys who have built cockpits into enclosed trailers and use them in the field to fly FPV. Just another toy for big boys.
I'm sure this pilot used it for more than RC practice but I see it no different than an Xbox.
What type of aircraft is the simulator for? (sorry if I'd missed this info presented elsewhere)
He designed a physical layout to resemble a 777 but the FS software would allow him to select any aircraft out of any airport. RC simulators don't use real world maps or aircraft and are closer to a game but controls are via an actual RC radio and very responsive and true to form.
I guess they need to put Team America- world police on this case if they can get off the russian case.
Fuck, yeah!
Neither of these are likely or else viable explanations.
The first one requires not just a struggle, but also a climb-thrust setting. The higher you go the more you need the thrust and to maintain speed, and the shallower and slower the climb becomes. The recorded track indicates that this was a controlled climb to FL450. A jet can climb all by itself, if it is out of pitch trim, as fuel is burned off in a flight, but to go to 45k it still needs a higher than cruise-power throttle setting. So that climb was quite deliberate.
The second explanation is also unlikely, as even at the cruise height of ~35K ft a manual depressurization of the cabin will firstly auto-deploy the oxygen masks, then as they run out of oxygen (in a bit over ten minutes) then the passengers would all die within about 30 minutes of the initial depressurization. So this means there was no reason at all to go to 45 k to incapacitate the passengers.
But usually once you depressurize you have to decent to below 8K ft to begin a climb and repressurize the cabin again. So no, if the cabin was depressurized at any point, and there was no immediate emergency ~10k ft/min descent, then the passengers would definitely have all died from it - not been rendered unconscious.
Plus they would have frozen solid (typically about -35C to -40C).
Chilled bodies are good for Organ Harvesting.
Johny CocknBull cited a link today, whereby some Hoboken Rabi paid the willing donor $10k for a kidney, but sold it for $160. WOW! / Paid in Cash, Gold, Diamonds or Bitcoin? /sarc
No wonder Health Care is (a) a Racket, and (b) Costs are going through the roof.
Not just chilled though, fully crystallized solid. That destroys the cell tissue and probably renders them useless for harvesting.
The slower the freezing, the larger the crystals, the more cell damage. Flash-freezing minimizes cell damage by making smaller water crystals.
At 45,000 ft., one needs a pressure suit to survive even on pure oxygen.
Which is why all current new jets available for purchase must demonstrate fluid transition from cruise-phase flight at max design altitude to a controlled 10,000 ft/min descent rate down to 8,000 feet level flight to meet the certification minimum requirement.
So then what happened at 45,000 ft? Why deliberately climb to that altitude? iI the cabin were pressurized all along, I don't see the sense of that maneuver. Meanwhile, what was the co-pilot doing?
Payne pointed out yesterday that the higher you go the larger your comms footprint is. He suggested someone might climb to max altitude to broadcast to a distant receiver.
This is the most plausible and least problematic explanation I've heard so far.
A possible reason for the climb would be to kill ALL people on board, including the pilots.
Maybe it was done by remote control by one of those pimply faced kids in Las Vegas or their ilk?
Usual suspects in all terrorist activities anymore are CIA, Mossad and MI-5. They have the means, motive and opportunity.
Excellent rebuttal, it has been so long since I taught flying that I have forgotten what is quick to you.
I've refreshed recently. ;-) Well now that you're here maybe you can add some more insights .. if you have the time.
I do not believe that a Captain of even 20 years and a Father would have purposely killed all the passengers. This leads to a theory if you are right that the Captains family has been abducted and is being held hostage for his good behavior. The Captain got involved with some bad people who do bad things and killing off all the passengers is just collateral damage.
Curious points of interest (to me).
1. Cell phone operation.
It was reported that cell phone operation is not available, but I would like that verified.
Has anyone used a cellphone in flight in this area on Maylasia airlines?
2. Pakistan declares,"MH370 did not enter Pakistan airspace".
That is CRAP as MH370 was a UFO after the transponders were turned off.
Did ANY UNIDENTIFIED airplane enter India or Pakistan airspace?
The apparent inadequacy of our high technology world is becoming more obvious by the day.
Oh it's fully adequate. Just not to you and me.
I am quite sure the whereabouts of this plane are 100% known to the US, Russian, and Chinese governments. The real question is, why aren't we being told by ANY of these entitities?
Nah, USA need another plane to crash into a building to keep the War on Terrorism alive. Simple.
While the no brainer Hollywood - maybe Bollywood - eventual movie script evolves this caught my attention: http://keithledgerwood.tumblr.com/post/79838944823/did-malaysian-airline...
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So by now, you may have caught on or you may be scratching your head and wondering if I’ve gone insane! How does SIA68 have anything to do with MH370 disappearing? Remember the one challenge that is currently making everyone doubt that MH370 actually flew to Turkmenistan, Iran, China, or Kyrgyzstan? That challenge is the thought that MH370 couldn’t make it through several key airspaces such as India or Afghanistan without being detected by the military.
It is my belief that MH370 likely flew in the shadow of SIA68 through India and Afghanistan airspace. As MH370 was flying “dark” without transponder / ADS-B output, SIA68 would have had no knowledge that MH370 was anywhere around and as it entered Indian airspace, it would have shown up as one single blip on the radar with only the transponder information of SIA68 lighting up ATC and military radar screens.
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Yep, that's a far more plausible theory than the one this article is suggesting. A whole 777 dissapears without a trace, and zerohedge is claiming that the pilot made decisions on the fly? No way, this was clearly expertly planned and executed, and the SIA68 theory makes so much sense, which means the plane likely landed in Central Asia.
Makes more sense than any other idea out there.
Problem is how does pilot locate and intercept second jet. It's not entirely impossible but I seriously doubt it happened. You would need to use a SATCOM link connected flight-tracker page in a browser that displays airborne ADS-C an ADS-B transponder data over the internet, just to find the aircraft's general geographical location and vector, then try to get close and find it visually, then also try to intercept it and match speed and altitude, which will all be way harder than people think.
Not to mention there is little evidence it would have the fuel for this route.
The other problem is the pilot would probably have to activate the TCAS II system and the ADS-C transponder, in order to use the TCAS display to find the location of the jet's TCAS plot location before he could visually acquire it and move in closer. And that would give the game away. As would the full-duplex streaming content up and down the SATCOM link.
All that would all be detected and logged, so I seriously doubt that sort of scenario (and no you will not see jets with a Doppler weather radar in the nose cone).
Why does anyone think you need a transponder ? That is only to keep other planes from running into you at that flight level. If you are IFR rated you can fly without positve control.
If the passengers are dead you are committed to a plan that does not need a transponder or weather info. I flew most of my flights at sea in the goo without positive control below 10,000 feet.
I Still think the pilot landed in Malaysia.
Why do you think Malaysia?
That is based on the theory that the plane is being retro fitted for a coup attempt on Government of Malaysia. Good supply lines, local people, rebel government in waiting. Some research last night indicated that an emp device can easily be a beam weapon, firing a directional cone. (Multiple use system) I suggest that filing a flt plan of a similar speed aircraft, private 707 or something similar to fly direcly over or indirectly over sensitive areas to knock out fry electrical communication and weapons would be an excellent 1st strike for an coup. Seems EMP will not fry the aircraft flying with some precautions taken. Malaysia also seems ripe for revolutions as does lots of other areas of the world. Truck or car mounted emp will take out isolated bases, Without communication mostly military will sit on thier hands until new orders arrive.
Actually Malaysia's been fairly cohesive and stable other than a bit of the anti-Chinese sentiment popping-up, now and again. Other than this political witch-hunt I'd say the country seems fairly unified.
Your thesis at least the first part, sounds plausible. Though I can't see the rest of it occurring. Malaysia is not known for high-tech weapon industries and R&D. So how does a jet achieve much beyond hitting a Govt capital building, in a decap move? With widespread tactical EMP use in urban area I can't see how they can organize themselves to take over.
I also don't see how this galvanizes and transforms into a successful coup. Malaysia just isn't that uptight a country, they are one of the more steady states in the region and a coup is very likely to fail, I'd say.
I think their stability in that regard is partly because they don't want to look second rate in front of Chinese-dominated Singapore. There's a bit of old rivalry and jealousy there. Malays see themselves as the core of ASIAN, while Indonesia sees itself as the dominant power to come. Thus Malays sure don't want to look like a flop in front of either Indonesia, or Australia.
The reason why Ibrahim can still be shafted judicially like this is because there is such a large conservative element in the country that does not want the agenda and instability that could bring.
Out of my area of knowledge, you sound better informed than me. I am just trying to puzzle out possibles Why would a Captain give up all signs of normal life move his family, kill passengers etc. Unless for some revolutionary purpose or his family is hostage.
Beats me, I keep coming back to the religious possibility. I believe he was described as "a devout family man", in one the the US papers. But there's a lot of those in Malaysia, it doesn't mean anything.
Actually you can decode ADS-B traffic with a $18 USB DVB-T Dongle in a laptop.
Check it out:
http://www.hamradioscience.com/10-ads-b-receiver-rtl2832u-r820t/
My bad make that 10 bucks.
The problem is range Dave, at 475 knots you cover 91 miles every 10 minutes, as does the other jet. See the problem? So you need a regional range view, because things change too quick at that speed to find the right jet and converge, if your little UHF antenna can only see out to ~100 miles on a clear day. SEA tropics in March are pretty murky.
What if the pilot had the second jet's flight plan? He would then know where to look for the second plane. The only variable would be when the second plane actually took off, but an accomplice could communicate that fact en route.
Good point. You could just offset the altitudes and merge.
I can't see how you get the other flightplan without collaboration, simply because the regional area controller can change your clearance in unexpected ways in the cruise, and in that part of the world convective weather can do that too.
The other option is a person with a scanner at the other aircraft's departure point can listen to and record the full details of the clearance given to the other flight before taxi, and then convey it to you via phone or email attachment. So you can then just enter the same waypoints and altitudes into the FMS (plus you have the other guys' squawk code as well).
And most airliner FMS can accommodate two flight plans in memory at once, so you can switch between them in flight. For instance, to do a go-around from a missed approach at your destination you have the other flightplan pre-setup for the autopilot to take the formal described go-around procedure, if you fluffed the approach and it is required.
That flight plan was not made up along the way, the guy had been practicing this for probably months on his in home flight simmulator and most likely had it programmed into a handheld flight computer. Lets see, night time flight, 8 hours of fuel, 5,000' flight level to avoid radar, make it look like a crash with the rapid descent. I wonder if he knew that his fellow muslims in Malaria would try to cover this up initially and send SAR on a wild goose chase while he is safely parked in Shitcanistan.
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And not a single person on the plane had any awareness?
I don't sleep worth a shit on a plane. At 5,000' I'd figure that one could readily pick up the surface of the ocean (or land) if no clouds (anyone got weather data?), and if clouds then WTF? I KNOW that at 35,000' you're not flying through clouds (any up that high are going to be tops of big thunderstorms, and trying to fly through them would tend to wake everyone up.
All occupants would have had to have been made incapacitated. I think that the mechanism for pulling this off needs closer scrutiny.
I don't think so seer, it's in fact not too complicated, you turn the cabin auto-pressurization setting to manual (i.e. you need to manually set the cabin pressure for the pressure altitude you want, and there are range limits) and the aircraft climbs-out and everyone slowly goes to sleep by top of climb about 20 mins later, the only issue is the oxygen masks will auto deploy, and I'm not sure if it is possible to electrically prevent that. If it isn't that would be a pretty big signal that you have an undiagnosed cabin pressure problem (plus passengers ears would be popping pretty badly in the ascent, and I think the crew should notice this, though there are know cases where they haven't realized what is happening).
And the pilot at that point is going to go into an emergency descent - or not, as in this case. If I had to guess, the hijacker had thus disposed of all effective resistance by the time the jet reached cruising altitude, and every one was dead within about ten minutes of reaching cruise level. i.e. long before the climb to 45k occurred. However it is possible the hijacker made the climb to 45k ft simply to be absolutely sure everyone was dead and snapped frozen at that point, so the hijacker could then relax.
That covers that aspect pretty well, for me, at this time.
But I don't conclude that's all true either, and I don't pretend to have any clear idea about the rest of the flight. Still sorting the possibilities, not compelled to make wild theories about the rest of it. I don't get why so many people feel a personal irresistible psychological 'need' to make conclusive story-lines, in every situation. It's a really weird way to react, to me, and I don't know (and I'm absolutely sure they don't know either) how they ever arrived at the viewpoint that it works for them, or that it equates to some form of intellectually valid 'truth-seeking' process. Obviously it can't be - and isn't - but it sure is super-annoying bullcrap to wade through. :D
Anyway seer, KISS principle and Occam's Razor will do me.
You don't really have to practice that much at a certain point of experience. The let down is the part the gets screwy. Airfield recognition and insertion.
And FFS, if the guy wanted to terror threat malaysia ... well he'll let us know ! what kind of stupid terrorist would not sign his crime ???? where is the point of such an act of protest if you don't let anyone know ?
"what kind of stupid terrorist would not sign his crime"
A stupid one? </sarc>
Well, the guy was under stress seeing as his family left him. Maybe after going through the LONG check list he just kind of got distracted and forgot to jettison the "I did it because" note so that it could be conveniently found.
Most important lead to follow which has not been revealed so far is interview with Captain's wife and children regarding why they left their house day before flight. Certainly that would provide a strong clue to motive of pilot and reason family left residence. Lacking any information for leaving residence puts into question veracity that they did in fact leave residence. Any confirmation by authorities that they did leave residence ?
They had multiple residences and moved between them all the time.
Has there ever been an instance of a case in which a commerical airliner was taken out via pilot suicide?
I'd find it more useful to spend brain cells on trying to figure out how someone could do this, make a 777 disappear, regardless of motive.
Yes, and in the same area no less:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SilkAir_Flight_185
Maybe I'm reading that article wrong, but it doesn't seem all that concrete, as there's also this:
Was the information from the NTSB available and it was just that the conclusion wasn't? Not that every report from some govt organization is wrong, but NIST's conclusion on 9/11 is highly questionable. And on the other hand, how much confidence can one have in a group of voters being able to make good decisions?
As a former Sonar Tech who worked in IUSS, I can tell you that this area of the world is most definitely of interest, but doesn't necessarily have a giant bed of fixed arrays. In order to "see" the crash, if it in fact occurred, operators would also have to be looking at the appropriate frequency range, which if it was high, might not happen.
Maybe this plane was designed to create an "Incident" over the South China Sea, "Gulf of Tonkin" redux so to speak
The incident-makers tend to always add in flames and shit...
Might be possible that something like that was instigated and then another country got to the site first and has spoiled the set-up? And now we're just all waiting for the "diplomats" to agree on what story to put out in order that they can all keep their jobs.
But all of my prepper friends KNOW this is going to be used to set off a nuke over St Louis.
And Iran is behind it. [Because Iran wants to start a nuclear conflagration with them on the losing side.]
The CIA knows where it is. The President knows where it is.
Wait...look over there.....something sparkly!
St. Louis? Would anyone notice?
Sorry, snarky...
Silver britches.
The Pope appoints the St. Louis Cardinals.
Maybe the Cardinals are due for a miracle!?
first, if this was on CNN first as I believe it was, given the lack of a plane...there's a chance that, if this wasn't just a rogue pilot, this cover story is just what .gov wants people to hear. For the moment. Even if it turns out this was a bizarre accident requiring no tin foil caps, I don't think this version makes much sense at all.
Second, there is no way the Pentagon would be unable to track this plane given how long it was in the air after the civvie transponder was turned off. No. Fucking. Way. Just... no way. |: the silence is telling.
Third, what's the over/under on how many days until the next story, blaming Iran, is the story du jour in the MSM?
"first, if this was on CNN first as I believe it was, given the lack of a plane.."
Wait right there! Did you say no plane? Haven't we experienced this before? Hm... let's, um... At the Pentagon itself?
"there is no way the Pentagon would be unable to track this plane given how long it was in the air after the civvie transponder was turned off. "
Don't even need to go that far. The AMOUNT of data isn't the issue, it's the QUALITY of the data (which doesn't seem in question). Who controls/is responsible for reporting the data that we're using to base all of our theories on? How confident are we of that data? Seems like all good research includes information discussing the integrity of the data used (and methods of collection).
The problem with this theory is that it is reported the copilot made the last communication after ACARS was turned off.
Both pilots in agreement to hijack the plane or commit suicide together would be unlikely.
I lean toward the copilot now. He was 25 years old and a devout Muslim and lived with his parents and never been laid. That will make a guy insane for sure.
Mutual suicide not very likely, except! if they were both gay? (I hate to even mention it, but it's a possibility) Hijacking isn't out of the question: though for sure we should have heard by now if they'd succeeded; if they'd failed then there WILL be debris (unless they were set up- think 9/11 hijackers).
Agreed, that's much more likely, just got to reconcile why the family of Captain moved though, etc. Payne suggests kidnap - maybe.
All far too murky to say.
An ordinary imbecile knows by now that this plane was diverted to DIEGO GARCIA.
Which ordinary imbecile, specifically?
One who knows the TRUTH damit!!!!! ... get with the program!!!!!!!!!!!! :D
Interesting scenario, except for the end, had it crashed somewhere even in the Indian Ocean, some wreackage would have been found by now.
Also for a master at piloting a 777, landing a plane even on small terrain at dark without ILS is cake
"Also for a master at piloting a 777, landing a plane even on small terrain at dark without ILS is cake"
Agreed, it is.
However the Indian is far larger than the Atlantic. Read the final Flight 447 report to see why it was almost impossible to find a jet, whose last location and crash point was known down to within ~50 nm. It still took 22 months and multiple attempts to find it.
In this Malaysian airlines case the location is officially completely unknown (and it may actually be fully unknown). Here's the AF447's official final-report which contains some details of the multiple ocean search efforts for it in an orders of mag smaller area (see from page 85):
http://www.bea.aero/docspa/2009/f-cp090601.en/pdf/f-cp090601.en.pdf
If it is in the central Indian ocean basin it is possible they will never find it - or not for many years even if they do find drifting wreckage. The reason, besides area, is the bottom terrain is particularly rugged over a very large area within the central Indian ocean, and where it isn't quite so rugged, it's very deep (see the topo gravity-derived data image linked below). It's even worse than the mid-ocean ridge zone where fight 447 crashed (almost on top of the roughest areas) which has tall cliffs and very deep chasms, all over, with only narrow mud plains in between these. The AF447 jet just happened to fall onto one of the small mud plain areas, instead of onto a deep rocky chasm area, and thus it could be seen far more easily, on active high-res sonar line-scan imaging. If it were down a chasm, it may never have been found.
Ocean basin topographic image:
http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/mgg/image/global_grav_large.gif
ie. if it is down in the indian ocean, I do not expect them to find it, I expect them to not find it, even if they do find some floating wreckage at some point.
The most disturbing part of all of this is, much of this case is built upon the foundation of what t-shirt the guy had on whenever the pic was taken ffs.......
Good point.
In my case the shirt I usually wear is the last clean one.
Or mostly clean.
The pilot knew that the "primary and military" radars in the area would be off at night. This reminds me of the Swiss air force only be available 9-5 week days.
Exactly, how many air forces shut down and go home for the nights and weekends? Is there a list?
That makes me feel good the area is so peaceful they do shut down at night.
Well, if its all Q.E.....
Take a Deep Breath!
This article makes huge unsupported leaps to conclude that the pilot "must" have committed this crime. I urge everyone to take a deep breath and allow the various agencies looking into this event to move along with their investigation. A couple of points that really need clarifying:
The net answer here is to pray for the people and their families, and wait for this terrible mystery to unravel itself.
"You don't have to kill 239 people to get your hands on a big plane for nefarious purposes, in fact I think it is counter productive to your ends (unless it was just a planned suicide plunge , but then why the 7+ hour evasion?)."
I keep asking/wondering how realiable the data that suggests the plane was transmitting for 7+ hours is. This seems to be a very key element here and if one were to falisify it then it's all one big goose chase (w/o the goose).
I agree that it's quite possible that it crashed and that it just hasn't been found yet. And, yes, pray or whatever for the poor folks who are lost, and for their family and friends as well.
I agree with your points.. but to clarify.. Air France they found the wreckage within 5 days..it took 2 years to recover the black box/voice recorder.. most plane crashes, occur between point A and B.. so its easier to spot debris.
Yes, I stand corrected. Although, I always considered the location of the recorders the wreck site, in this case the Air France Airbus did break up in flight. The leading theory was the same drivel as we are hearing today though. My point is that it could be years before we know what happened in this instance and when we find out it most likely won't have anything to do with what passes for "information" on CNN, MSNBC, or FOX today.
Who ever the flight crew are they are almost certainly dead right now and can't speak for themselves. It is just as likely that they worked heroically to save everyone but lost whatever battle befell them inspite of those efforts. The authorities are expected to pursue all leads, which logically include the crew and passengers. That said, the rest of US need to grant them some dignity at least until we know WTF is going on.
Just an aviator's wish on a day when 239 souls have gone missing, I suppose.
"... in this case the Air France Airbus did break up in flight."
Sorry, that is not so. AF447 was fully intact and 100% operational when it hit the water. All three pitot tubes were clear of ice within 37 seconds. (the standby instrument and the backup pitots were clear within about 16 seconds) They had 100% valid air data for about the next 3 mins 40 seconds, the pilots just didn't use it.
I researched this crash and all its associated official docs at great length, because it annoyed the hell out of me that these pilots clearly didn't seem able to fly on valid instruments any more, didn't use any checklists, and didn't call ATLANTICO center to declare an emergency but had about 4 minutes to do so. Plus they clearly had no idea of how to hand-fly the jet within its narrowing envelop at that altitude, plus that ignored every crew alerting warning system enunciation.
It is the most infuriating accident report I've ever read. I just about popped a blood vessel reading it, I linked the final report on the third page of this post.
My estimate was, get this, that those pilots literally could not fly any more than an approach or take-off, they were addicted to autopilot, and when the active pitot choking kicked it off the pilot flying just panicked, they had no idea that all they had to do was to maintain attitude, wings level and constant heading, leave the throttles alone, then wait for the pitot heat to clear the ice. The could even hear the micro-ice on the windshield for goodness sake! AARRRAGGGGGHHH!!!!!!
It makes me want to wring their stupid necks and shoot the Air France management who put pilots who literally couldn't fly their jet into that cockpit.
NEVER ... fly ... Air France.
Exactly. Which is why I think it is unlikely to be a valid motive for this situation.
Here are the REAL (MF'ing) questions the would-be Sherlock Holmes types in the MSM and here should be asking:
A. Kirk's set of questions from last Sat, 03/15/2014 - 12:24 | 4551941 , i.e....
(1) Why did it take so long for Boeing to come forward with this data? E.g., did they have to reveal it because they could not risk the legal liability and PR damage if this was going to be leaked sooner or later anyway? IOW, the fear of the Snowden effect.
(2) (a) Since when has this technology been Available for in-situ Beta-testing, and (b) since when has it been in Regular use?
(3) Based on question (2), does this mean that Boeing actually has data on other plane crashes that it does not wish to share? It does not take a genius or an overly active imagination in a post-Snowden era, to envision a scenario, where US Agencies (NSA, CIA) wanted to have this information about planes, but did not wish to have the FAA or the Public to know about it.
(4) Given that Expert Pilot skills were required after the hijacking, did the plane not actually land somewhere, and is it not possible (or likely) that the passengers and plane are being “repurposed”?
B. When will the Cargo Manifest be released? As a ZH blogger noted, the Pilot rumor-mill said there was 25 tons of gold on board.
C. Can they confirm with certainty that the plane was not fueled to the hilt (with one tanker, or a second one who came by later)?
D. Can they confirm the allegation that many (50?) people wer kept off the plane, on Standby? Does this mean: Extra fuel, extra Cargo, or VIPs they did not want to lose/die?
The last hourly "ping" the InmarSatgot back from the plane was at 8:11 AM local time. Based on this, they created the parts of the ring that the author copied from the Media. This begs additional questions:
E. If there was more fuel than assumed/claimed, the arc would be longer, and the plane could have flown further. A 777 can fly to the ME, Africa, even the Ukraine.
F. Note that it said that the LAST ping as at 8:11 AM. They are supposedly looking for the Pings from 1:11, 2:11, 3:11, 4:11, 5:11, 6:11, 7:11. If they have those also (not erased by someone), they can create 8 circles, that can then be used to determine the plane's path. After 8:11 the one Comm they missed was either found and turned off, or the plane was in a Hangar somewhere.
Regarding the Flight Simulator at the Captain's home...
G. These guys have regular Sim training on multi-million Dollar Sims. See CAE.ca. If his Sim at home was something fancy, then this would be odd: Why spend big $$$, when he/they got better ones at work. For free!
H. The ONLY data they should/will look for on the Sim's database of CGI (Computer Generated Imagery), are "unusual" places to land. Weather etc is irrelevant. Only PLACES are relavant, that are in that part of the world. Assuming that the data has not been deleted.
Regarding the Crew & Passengers:
I. It's safe to assume that even if the plane landed somewhere safely (to unload its "Precious Cargo"), that the passengers are dead. Quite possibly harvested for organs also, grimm as this sounds.
J. If there was indeed gold (25 tons = $1 Billion) on board, everyone onboard is dead, including the pilot & co-pilot. Loose ends. Dead men tell not tales.
Regarding the 2 Stolen Passports:
K. Who were the two men who boarded with the stolen passports? Enforcers (helping out to control the Passengers)? Guys who took over for one of the pilots?
Regarding the missing Family of the Co-Pilot:
L. Why would they have disappeared a day before? Can you say "Insurance!", in case the co-pilot gets cold feet? Either way, they are noe dead also, to tie up loose ends.
Regarding the Radar/Tracking avoidance issue:
M. According to one expert (who wrote "Why Planes Crash"), this sequence of events would take experts to pull off (knowing to turn off which devices in which sequence), and planning. In his view, the planning would take months, not hours as the "political" angle now suggests/proclaims.
N. The Malay military admits they detected the plane at 3 seperate times (3 seperate radars), as it flew over the country in a Westerly direction. Q: Why the hell did they not investigate, nor force it down? Sounds like people were Paid Off. In which case, what the hell was so damn "special" about this flight?
IOW: "Give me corroborating data and detective forensics, or piss off."
And finally, unless whatever "official theory" can adequately answer all these questions, we only have more "Noise". Such Noise is useful to those who do not want the real story/truth to ever come out, and would rather have it get diluted and lost in the many theories floating about.
Question the data!
Even IF data was generated and not distorted for nefarious reasons it still doesn't mean that it's viable. Of course, this leads to the question whether the data couldn't have been intentionally altered (for what reason and by whom).
Just because something has not been released for public consumption does not mean it has not been shared with the relevant investigators.
Nah, evidence already contradicting your explanation. It was the co-pilot that spoke the last words to ATC.
A far better one is here - http://keithledgerwood.tumblr.com/post/79838944823/did-malaysian-airline...
Maybe the hijacker read Stephenson's Reamde . Very similar scenario described as would-be terrorists avoid detection by flying under another aircraft.
I think that it was Element who earlier spoke to the impluasiblity of this. It was in the context of some other flight, which I don't recall; not sure if anyone has thought about it being some other plane being introduced as part of some integrated plan (easier for another plane to co-sync with the 777 than the 777 finding and syncing up to some unsuspecting plane [I htink that that's the crux of what Element was saying]).
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a scenario that is always handy for the mossad,mi6,the cia and fbi funny old rothschild world.
Funny shit, Maynard!
Can't make this shit up. Oh, wait, we can and do.
Anyway, beats working.
plausible or possible? There is a difference.
Another article on incomplete and false information. Malaysia has now been corrected - since the ACARS only reports every half hour or so, the pilot signoff timing cannot be said to have occured after ACARS was shut down.
We need to stop worshipping the technology "god". Technology has gaps, American technology is not all knowing and terrorism should not be used to define modern societal leadership.
A government of, by and for the people, as well as a society that respects individuals, would not stoop to the nonsense we have been fed until facts are clearly identified and 3 dots can be connected.
It's time to move on folks. This whole incident has about destroyed my marriage. lmao. My wife told me she would personally end my pondering the possibilities with one shot from her Glock 9. End of story, and she could get her life back....watching The Bachelor and Kardashians without frequent interruptions from me espousing my latest theory. Needless to say, I have been getting less pussy than Pilot # 2 since this whole drama began a week ago.
You should throw out your latest theory only after you get the daily goods.
Mine is the same. Two minutes into any discusion on politics, economics or science and her eyes glaze over like Penny on The Big Bang Theory. OTOH, she's just as hot as Penny, so there's that. Still, you'd think she'd take at least some interest in what I do, since it's the source of her lifestyle. She knows a lot about figure skating and tennis though, so I'll give her that.
I think the more plausible scenario is that the authorities knew the pilot hijacked the plane and the local military blew it into tiny bits. We must remember that one of the scenarios that got out was that the plane turned back to Kuala Lumpur. What if it did and the pilot had shut off all communications? What is the protocol?
if the pilot was making a pol statement he would have said more than good night
if he was going to fly it into petrons towers Im not sure Malaysia has the ability to do the intercept and certainly not the ability to shoot down a giant plane without being detected in a pretty crowded part of the world
if there was a hijack and landing he would have needed the help of the two stolen passport guys and an awful lot of people on the ground, collecting ransom for 240 people presents an awful lot of pwobwems. If they want to reurpose it as a flying bomb they need to land it at an airstrip with access to lots of fuel.
if there's even a possibility of the flying bomb, esp one with a nuke weapon or just packed full of nuke waste then US military and snoops will be devoting tons of resources and somebody would pick up on that.
if the guy just went over the edge mentally then he did himself in the hardway with perfect execution and the two iranianswith stolen passports were just a coincidence?
stay tuned...
Complication. Exact time ACARS shut off is not known. It was between 0107 and 0137.
What is the exact time of the last transmission "all right. Goodnight" reported by the Airline to be the voice of the copilot?
Interesting to raise the tracking capabilities of the US military. Does the military's inability to show where the plane went reveal a miltary weakness and thus a paper tiger? Or does revealing the ability to track civilian airplanes from satellites reveal some sensitive secret?
Good thing the globalists are such a tight knit group. lol /sarc
"No one saw this comning...."
And, apparently, no one saw it "going" either...
This is a mystery wrapped in a conundrum.
If the plane crashed in the Indian Ocean, then something US military would have picked up the impact. Either passive sub sonar, SOSUS, whatever.
Hard to believe it crashed in a jungle or mountain top without any telemetry. This is not a Cessna 172 at 80 knots and 500 feet.
The creepy part is what do you do with 237+ people on board the airplane.
You either have a plan to deal with them or not when you land. Were they killed in-flight or escorted at a runway later.
To hijack and disappear a plane requires the Holly-weird resources of a James Bond villain - meaning a state actor.
It has been over a week. The US government either finds a crash site in water or land or assume that the plane is now refitted with markings, ID for international travel for foul purposes.
The 777 is a off-the-shelf strategic bomber. Fuel it up and send her non-stop. You only go through these hoops if you have the resources.
It would have been cheaper to just sub-lease an existing aircraft and fly it around the world for maintenance in disguise.
I'm not buying it, Chuck.
what government is involved
taken for later use ... no squawk...your ass gets shot down
come in under the radar.... sorry chump... not military radar with 24 hr watch
and now you can bet your ass our sats and others are lookig for non-commercial flighs from the possible landing zones..
so who maintains and fuels it
ah yeah.... filler up with 31000 gallons avgas and yeah put it on my amex card... i need the points.... thanks
STS/DF on the way... stand by for updates
last seen flying with a PAPA JOHNS logo
Shitty Ingredients.
Shitty Pizza.
Papa Johns.
Yep. That papa John's dude exemplifies what is wrong with American business. Serves you shit and advertises it as filet mignon.
Well, Charles...while you go to great lengths to explain how your theory 'fits' the circumstances...it doesn't...and you yourself acknowledge this in closing - "All of which is to say that it seems probable that the global and space-based intelligence gathering assets of the U.S. recorded some sort of signals that could provide clues to the final resting spot of Flight 370. "
This is a glaring, monumental hole in the theory. And, beyond the 'final resting place', we KNOW the U.S. must know, and must HAVE known, the UNFOLDING of this saga - if not in real time, at least soon after.
In no way, shape or form, does your theory address this, and I would argue that in fact these two things are incompatible without further explanation - explanation that I think would necessarily alter the fabric of the theory.
If there was 25 tonnes of Gold onboard then that explains everything VERY clearly. Wall Street MUST be involved!
Folks, if this doesn't prove how desperate they are to get hold of the physical then nothing will :)
A Boeing 777 represents a loss to Malaysia of more than 260 million USD.
loss of 260M USD - Have you ever heard of GEICO? HJust saying
loss of 260M USD - Have you ever heard of GEICO? HJust saying
The problem is these "facts" leaking out slowly are highly suspect, so trying to fit a story to them is pretty much pointless. A rumor yesterday was he was still short of the Andaman islands, actually not even on those arcs, much closer to home, like the plane just circled the entire time. IF THESE SATELLITE COMS STORIES ARE TRUE, SOMEBODY KNOWS because they have the wandering of the arcs over six hours. Which is far longer than the fuel was supposed to last, so did he land and refuel or what?
Nah, we don't have coherent facts to work with even yet.
Here's another one for you - at 600mph, and almost ten days since takeoff, he could be most of the way to the moon by now. Work that into your story.
lmfao. To the Moon Alice. End of story. All I have to say is if the two Musloid weirdos put it in the ocean, the bright spot in this whole bad ordeal is the elimination of that gene pool. To bad Pilot #1 managed to get off a couple of "live rounds" into the old lady prior to implementing his plan.