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Finally, A Plausible Scenario Of What Happened To Flight 370
Submitted by Charles Hugh-Smith of OfTwoMinds blog,
The scenario that best fits the facts is a spontaneously initiated "drastic political protest" by the captain that went awry.
At long last, a plausible scenario of what happened to Flight 370 has emerged. By plausible I mean that the scenario fits all the known facts.
The key piece of evidence has finally been released by Malaysian authorities: Pilot Spoke to Air Controllers After Shutoff of Data System (NYT.com).
This proves that one of the pilots turned off the ACARS communications link and then reported to air traffic control (ATC) as if all was normal. Twelve minutes later, one of the pilots switched off the aircraft's transponder, which transmits the aircraft's altitude and location.
This sequence of events more or less proves that one of the pilots was in charge of the aircraft. Given the lack of evidence of duress, this sequence strongly suggests one of the pilots was executing a plan of his own rather than following orders of hijackers.
Given the strong political views of the captain and his mastery of the Boeing 777, all evidence points to the captain as the pilot who turned off the communication links and was in command of the aircraft thereafter.
Post-disappearance moves suggest sophisticated handling, experts say (CBSnews.com)
Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 search grows as pilots face increased scrutiny (CNN.com)
Though early reports on the captain were limited to neutral comments by peers that he was a nice guy and a devout family man, the strength of his opposition to the current regime in Malaysia is now coming to light:
'Democracy is dead': 'Fanatical' missing airliner pilot pictured wearing political slogan T-shirt (Daily Mail)
Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah, a father-of-three, was said to be a 'fanatical' supporter of the country's opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim - jailed for homosexuality just hours before the jet disappeared.
It has also been revealed that the pilot's wife and three children moved out of the family home the day before the plane went missing.
Anwar Ibrahim is a broadly popular democracy icon and former deputy prime minister whose prosecution on a charge of sodomy is seen by many Malaysians as political persecution.
‘Colleagues made it clear to us that he was someone who held strong political beliefs and was strident in his support for Anwar Ibrahim,’ another investigation source said. ‘We were told by one colleague he was obsessed with politics.’
What makes this significant is the Malaysian authorities' attempts to suppress this possible motive.
Malaysian officials initially appeared keen not to direct any suspicion towards Zaharie or his co-pilot, 27-year-old Fariq Abdul Hamid, who was last week revealed to have invited two women passengers into the cockpit and smoked on an earlier flight to Phuket.
But evidence of the way the plane’s transponder and communication systems were disabled and the way the plane was expertly flown over the Indian Ocean apparently using navigational waypoints meant only a skilled aviator could have been at the controls. Investigators were also baffled by why, if hijackers took over the plane, there was no Mayday call or signal from the two pilots to say the cockpit had been breached.
Thus we have motive and clear evidence that it was the captain, not the co-pilot, who was in command of Flight 370. Enraged by the Soviet-style show-trial and imprisonment of his political hero, the captain may have "sabotaged the flight as a form of drastic political protest." Flight 370: Was Hijacking The Pilot’s Political Revenge?
Now add in that neither the co-pilot nor the captain requested each other, and it seems increasing likely that the captain was making it up as he went along, applying his deep knowledge of the aircraft and navigation to sketch out a makeshift initial plan that was dynamically modified along the way.
I think we can easily trace a plausible series of steps the captain initially took, and then speculate knowledgeably about the challenges and decision trees that arose later in the flight.
The first challenge would be to render the co-pilot unable to contest his control of the aircraft. The easiest way would have been to dissolve a sedative in a beverage and coax the co-pilot into drinking the Mickey Finn.
The "mumbling co-pilot" heard by the airline pilot flying to Japan who radioed Flight 370 offers tantalizing (if scant) evidence of this. (Interestingly, that pilot was confident he spoke with the co-pilot, not the captain.)
Alternatively, the co-pilot fought for control of the aircraft, one explanation of the abrupt climb to 45,000, well above the aircraft's designed ceiling.
If there was a struggle, clearly the co-pilot lost that battle or had already been incapacitated by other means.
Another explanation for the climb to 45,000 feet and the subsequent drop to 23,000 feet is that the captain sought to deprive the passengers of oxygen for long enough to render them unconscious but not long enough to kill them.
Given the profile of the captain that is emerging, I see little evidence of a personality who would set out to kill everyone on board, including himself. I believe the evidence strongly suggests a political motive, to embarrass the Malaysian government and perhaps to do so by seeking asylum in another country.
Once again, the key here is to understand the incomplete nature of the captain's plan: after the initial phase was successful--turning off the ACARS and transponder, incapacitating the co-pilot, and moving beyond the range of Malaysia's military radar-- a number of destinations might have occurred to the captain. It's important to note that flying was not just the captain's vocation, it was also his hobby. I think it is safe to say his life revolved around aviation and flying.
Data showing the number of plausible runways where the plane could have touched down - which need to be at least 5,000ft - offer a baffling number of potential locations.
According to a map drawn up by U.S. radio station WNYC, there are 634 locations which could fit, from Australia to the Maldives to Pakistan.
However, the true number is likely to be even higher, as estimates of how far the plane could have travelled have been increased since the calculations were carried out.
Here is the best current map of the possible routes of Flight 370. I have added the decision tree the captain faced: either fly north and seek political asylum or a remote landing site or fly south and search for a remote landing site.
If the co-pilot had regained control of the aircraft, either alone or with the aid of crew and passengers, he would have first turned on the ACARS and transponder and sent a Mayday signal. Since this didn't happen, we can be confident that the captain was in command of Flight 370 for the duration of the flight--roughly 7.5 hours.
While we don't know if the aircraft landed at some point, we do know the last ping to the satellite was at 8:11 a.m., roughly 6 hours after the last military radar contact.
Here are some other points to consider:
The fact that the Malaysian authorities withheld the sequence of events in the cockpit strongly suggest that they quickly identified the potential for a political motivation for the flight deviation and sought to suppress speculation along this line of inquiry.
This also explains why they withheld the military radar data for three days, and their continuing reluctance to share information or come clean about what they know. They fear the truth, and with good reason.
The captain's home flight simulator suggests that he may well have practiced all sorts of landing scenarios, just out of curiosity or to sharpen his skills in outlier situations. Think about it: if you already have over 18,000 hours in the cockpits of advanced aircraft, you're not going to practice conventional landings you could do in your sleep. That would be beyond boring to someone of his experience.
Given the few hours the captain had to assemble his plan, it is likely that once the initial phase was successful, he might have changed his mind, perhaps more than once.
Given his long experience in aviation, I think it very likely that he knew that the primary and military radars in the region were usually turned off at night. Off-the-record confirmations of this have come from Thailand and Indian officials with knowledge of radar covering the Andaman and Nicobar islands.
Thus it is not surprising there were no primary radar sightings in the region: most or perhaps all of the radars were turned off.
It's also worth noting that most of the primary radars in the region have limited ranges--100 miles or less appears to be average. It is more than possible to thread a flight through the gaps in coverage, even if the radars were active.
Let's assume my speculation is accurate and the captain had no intention of crashing the 777 and killing all on board. As I noted in my first entry on Flight 370, if that was his intention (or simply suicide), why fly for hours? Despite his best intentions, he may have encountered some problem that he responded to incorrectly; it's even possible that he missed his intended destination or became confused about his location.
What Happened to Flight 370? An Analysis of What Is Known (March 13, 2014)
The scenario that best fits the facts is a spontaneously initiated "drastic political protest" by the captain that went awry, despite his intentions and experience.
One last thought: since the U.S. must monitor potential airborne threats and nuclear explosions virtually everywhere on the planet (with the exception of Antarctica), why wouldn't the U.S. have wide-aperture thermal imaging assets in space? And if the U.S. has space-based thermal imaging assets, would they be so low quality that the heat signature from two large jet engines would not show up? That seems unlikely.
Since it has long been known that the U.S. has "wired the oceans for sound," (SUBMARINES, SECRETS, AND SPIES - NOVA/PBS) it's also likely that the sound of a large aircraft hitting the water would also have been detected, regardless of the remoteness of the location.
All of which is to say that it seems probable that the global and space-based intelligence gathering assets of the U.S. recorded some sort of signals that could provide clues to the final resting spot of Flight 370.
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This is out of date :
"The key piece of evidence has finally been released by Malaysian authorities: Pilot Spoke to Air Controllers After Shutoff of Data System (NYT.com)."
The story being given to us now is that they don't know for sure when the acars was shut off, ie before or after the co pilot said good night. They're saying it was the co-pilot who said good night.
A lot of the comments seem way off-base to me. We live in the very era of "Let me make a political statement with this airplane"...and this theory seems implausible?
"Statements" usually entail some sort of actual STATEMENT.
Idiotic to posit that one intelligent enough to execute this scenario, doesn't at least yell "ALLAHU AKBAR!" one last time on the way down.
Beyond that, there is huge gaping hole in the theory's logic...the feigned ignorance of U.S. sources.
This article is speculation, but an interesting one.
There is a LOT that I don't know about flying big jet aircraft, but I am a private pilot with airplane (with GPS and autopilot), so I might be in a slightly better position to guess possibilities than the average yokel.
A large jet airplane like this can land on a straight section of highway. In fact, it can land on a reasonably flat field or modestly crappy dirt road... as long as the road is more than wide enough for the stance (lateral wheel separation), and as long as there aren't objects along side the road for wings to clip. Believe me, there are a LOT of fields and roads like this in the world, and I land on them all the time (yes, with a much smaller plane, but often there's endless room to spare in both width and length).
So the number of places the pilot could land is enormous. In fact, if the pilot spent a few days on google earth looking for obscure, out of the way places to land, I'm sure he could have identified dozens in any direction and distance.
However, if this speculation is correct, the pilot was responding to an event that just happened, and thus may not have had weeks or months to wander around on google earth. Nonetheless, I just tried this exercise on google earth, starting where this fight started and looking for obscure places to land in many directions, and I found quite a few. So he could have too.
HINT: Search the pilot's google-earth and simulator caches!
If he found the place recently, the location will still be in his google-earth cache (unless he has it set pitifully small, or thought to erase it).
The next thing someone needs to speculate is... whether he might try to hide the airplane. THAT is more difficult. He would need to land somewhere obscure and out of the way (fairly easy), but then be able to cover the plane (or pull into a huge hanger == unlikely without substantial planning). To hide such an airplane from satellite discovery is not difficult, but absolutely requires a large quantity of camouflage net/tarp (or something). Here again, it is unlikely (but possible) he could bring this much net/tarp along without someone remembering he checked-in (or brought along) quite a few boxes.
If I put my brain into his state of mind (if the speculation of this article is correct), I would definitely bring such camouflage, or arrange with someone I knew at a pre-arranged destination to bring some. The process to cover the plane is also non-trivial, but not terribly difficult. The biggest hassle is getting on top of the plane --- then all they'd need is the appropriate size ropes and camouflage net/tarp to pull it up and over. If they guy wants to make his government look like morons, what better way than hide for weeks or months without detection? Then let them claim "the plane is definitely lost"... then release your own video response with airplane [and passengers].
Presumably in such a video he would demand release of the "political prisoner".
This article is speculation, but does seem possible to me. Someone should tell us what countries within range would align with his politics, then maybe a few hours on google earth would let us zero in on places he might choose. Of course, if he has friends in some rural part of a country within reach... that's a very important lead to follow.
Resolution. The map is not the terrain.
Google's map data is just not that good. What looks like a smooth flat field on Google could easily be several metres variation from point to point. To be sure you're going to survive you are going to have to go and look where you plan to land because when the wheels touch down it's too late.
And google-earth photos are not just maps. But yes, the surface of a field can indeed be very difficult to judge from google earth in many cases. Nothing like a little 2-foot wide irrigation ditch to ruin your day (flip your plane over).
But that isn't as much a problem with roads, at least where the resolution is good. You do need to be careful, and look carefully, and learn how to interpret the photos, but I've chosen dozens of remote landing sites for myself, and almost never had to give up on a location because I was wrong. And I've landed in some extremely wacko places too, like the lip of volcanos in the Andes. Photos with distinct shadows reveal surface irregularities rather well. Of course the resolution on google-earth royally sucks in some areas, and one simply cannot judge anything in those areas.
Of course I always fly low and slow past my planned landing sites at least once before I land, and so must a pilot of a larger airplane. I mean, what we're talking about here is feasible, but not trivial and not without risks. In my case I can fly very close (a few meters) and very slow (about 45mph), while the larger airplane probably can't fly much slower than 100mph, if that. Still, a couple low passes at 100mph can reveal quite a lot, especially if the sun is at a reasonable angle (casting nice shadows). As I recall, this pilot would have been landing sometime in the morning, and thus be reasonable but not perfect from a shadow point of view.
Actually, it is not too late when your wheels touch down. It becomes too late when you lose a good fraction of your speed, and thus can't execute a momentary blip up if you encounter a ditch or something. When you're still fast, you can momentarily lift your wheels or at least take most of the weight off them, and when you're very slow, the consequences aren't very bad unless the ditch is very bad (which you should have seen). The middle portion of the landing roll is the potential disaster zone.
Ann,
If he has an international flight planner (and for sure he does) he can easily identify numerous remote dirt-strips and private sealed strips pegged-out with gps coordinates already. Approach speed will be 1.3 x stall speed so probably around 115 to 120 kts over the fence. Pretty fast on dirt but if the strip is long enough you might get it in. Braking traction would be a worry though. You might not stop inside 1750 meters. So I'd go for a sealed private strip.
Hmmm, I've never seen one of those. Maybe I should have one. On second thought, probably not - they're made for planes that need 1000+ meters while I only need 100+. But good point.
Though I was born in Asia, I haven't traveled there, so I don't have a good feel for what is available in that part of the world. But there are literally thousands if not tens of thousands of places freeways in the USSA would work just fine, especially in the western USSA where traffic is sparse. Actually, thinking about the non-freeway roads I've traveled in the western USSA, they're even better --- like one car per 50 miles of road, and LOTS of 20 mile straight stretches.
Of course, that's not asia, and even the eastern USSA would be significantly more limited than the western USSA. I only few about 4 hours in the eastern USSA, and it was AWFUL. No way I'd even want to be a pilot there! I mean, so hazy from normal levels of humidity that visibiliity is only a few miles, and everything is a hazy mush. Plus, almost everywhere is flat and looks like everywhere else --- totally boring. And finding airports? Ouch! Difficult to recognize until very close. Not sure about everywhere in his potential landing area, but I do have the impression almost everywhere outside the high mountain areas around China and Pakistan are very humid, and therefore very hazy. Yuk!
I never had GPS until I bought my own airplane, most of my hours were flying in the western USSA, and there are so many endless landmarks (mountains, valleys, buttes, canyons, rivers, lakes, etc) that I never had the least bit of trouble knowing exactly where I was. Plus, the view was almost always pretty, or at least interesting, so "getting lost" was almost impossible. Well, except a few of my night flights over large national forests... sometimes that could make me slightly unsure of position, albeit not by that far (maybe 50 miles at most).
I suppose one strange approach for a big plane would be to land in a corn field. I imagine the drag of the corn stalks on the wing would slow the plane down pretty fast, yet the corn stalks would definitely not be strong enough to damage the wing. But in this case, if the stated scenario is correct, I'm sure he could have found something much better than an unknown corn field. He would have had a few specific options in mind. And some camo.
May I contribute what little knowledge I have from the days I piloted gliders: You always want to search a field (land), never ever a meadow (lawn). That's because fields regularly don't have ditches, as opposed to meadows ...
I don't believe any govt would align with his politics or actions ... this is China we are talking about ... no little country is going to hide such a hijacker ... OK, maybe the USSA. :-O
Complete Passenger Manifest of MH370
to whom in may concern:
http://homment.com/mh370-passenger-list
240 names with nationality and backround inclusive
the crew-members
The USA response is our government "believes" the plane is in the Indian Ocean.
I think they know it is in the ocean. They just want to be vague in order not to tip off others as to our capabilities.
They ought to know. That's where they "buried" OBL. That is their story and they're sticking to it!
I'll bet some cannibals are eating good this week.
The trouble with eating Chinese is that you're hungry again an hour later.
They ran into a dark running drone. Impact takes out coms and operators. The rest of the story is made from whole cloth. They need to keep this under wraps because the drone was US made but being operted by some one not supposed to be friendly with the US. sarc suckers
Tptb are using this as a tool to discredit the blogosphear. A juicy piece of sausage to sucker the more feral blogers. The truth is prolly a cascading electrical short taking out coms right off the bat. In a deal like this concider the source of ever bit of info. The truth ind is starting to win and make an actual effective difference. The msm propaganda dont fly these days.
If we want to get to the truth. We need a better tactic. Let them present the story and poke holes in every bit of BS presented. Force them to come up with the story. NOAA has eyes on the planet 24/7 watching in all spectrums.
I hope the author uses the word "fact" more stringently when thinking about investment scenarios.
There is one thing the Malaysians are expert at, pegging blame for everything on the oppostition leader Ibrahim. Just sayin...
Yep. You can't trust a sodomite.
They will fuck you in the ass any chance they get.
Nah, not likely...if he flew the jet into a building in Malaysia I would believe that.
SOMEBODY hacked the plane. I think either the USA or IRAN.
There was some kind of very valuable, dangerous or otherwise important cargo on the plane. It had to be captured for that reason, not destoryed.
The 777 is all computerized and as such can easily be hacked if you have the means.
I say it went to Diego Garcia or Iran.
Nah, not likely...if he flew the jet into a building in Malaysia I would believe that.
SOMEBODY hacked the plane. I think either the USA or IRAN.
There was some kind of very valuable, dangerous or otherwise important cargo on the plane. It had to be captured for that reason, not destoryed.
The 777 is all computerized and as such can easily be hacked if you have the means.
I say it went to Diego Garcia or Iran.
Muslims acting extreme? Now you're reaching.
BTFD.
USS Vincennes was decomissioned 2005
What happened to the plane, its passengers and its cargo? Amd why did it happen?
Did I miss something?
Lots of plausible theories, not enough hard data. I doubt it was a political protest from the captain otherwise we would have had either a rant from him in situ or on YouTube by now.
I want to know 2 things:
1. What was in the cargo hold?
2. Technical details on BUAP, the Boeing Uninterruptable AutoPilot fitted to all Boeing planes since 2009 that is supposed to make it impossible for a hijack to happen by cutting off all pilot controls. Does the remote control ability of BUAP include remotely turning off coms and transponders?
Your no.1 is the key question.
I actually like the conspiracy theory regarding this story.
It links the SEAL deaths in the Seychelles aboard the Alabama, on which may have kept said cargo which was stolen after the SEALS were killed. From there the agents (maybe Chinese) made their way to Malaysia intent on bringing home the cargo and under heavy guard...hence the many Chinese aboard. We then hacked the plan to return it to our base in Diego Garcia.
Your no.1 is the key question.
I actually like the conspiracy theory regarding this story.
It links the SEAL deaths in the Seychelles aboard the Alabama, on which may have kept said cargo which was stolen after the SEALS were killed. From there the agents (maybe Chinese) made their way to Malaysia intent on bringing home the cargo and under heavy guard...hence the many Chinese aboard. We then hacked the plan to return it to our base in Diego Garcia.
Why does the transponder have an OFF switch?
Simple. It is regularly turned to off or standby when the plane is on the ground. The radar at a major airport would be a clusterfuck otherwise.
Then, let's put the status of that switch in the hands of Air Traffic Controllers.....
Sorry, if I was a passenger, I am quite sure I would want the pilot in charge of something like that.
In case someone wants to hide or destroy a plane
The bottom line: none of us know ANYTHING except what we're being told. Do you believe what you're being told?
The people telling us "what happened" have the entire Earth's surface mapped out by satellite to the last INCH. So THEY KNOW what happened, and where the plane went (or is).
Now, let that sink in for awhile...
Speculating and theorizing is no god-damned fun anymore now that all is lies, lies, lies.
I've asked it numerous times: How accurate is the data (who is collecting and reporting)?
If he put it down in some remote location, who would be the wiser? With all comm systems shut down after landing, the engines would cool in a few hours and there would be no means to identify the airship if it was coasted under tree cover. After sparse on-board rations ran out, the fate of all passengers and crew would be sealed. Whatever the specifics of how this flight ended, there is no reason to believe the consequences won't be ugly.
BREAKING NEWS! You're right! They've found it!
http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/tbs-reveals-identities-of-its-real-gi...
Iran, because N. Korea is the other way. They are the only ones left from our Axis of Evil. We need an excuse because The Israelis Can't go alone now can they?
FYI that NYT timeline story has already been debunked.
Article is total garbage.
Pretty much true of all NY Times stories. The Enquirer is better.
Well if this is the best you can up with... complete, utter BS.
Ok...here is the scoop...
The pilot of the triple 7 was a strong believer in Islam. sort of a radical....and wanted to make a statement.
What lies at the bottom of the Indian Ocean (IO) His leader Osama Bin Laden (OBL) He made his statement....as a Muslim.
This message gets deleted in 1 hour.
The Captain is said to have been an atheist...
http://qz.com/188723/seven-things-we-know-about-malaysian-pilot-zaharie-...
Obviously, there are only 3 possibilities - the plane either crashed on its own, or it was shot down or it landed somewhere. It is highly unlikely that they wouldn't know the fact of the crash, and unless there was some fancy cargo on board it is hard to think of any reason why they would want to conceal the fact of such a crash. However, they may be motivated to conceal the fact of shooting down a civilian plane, even if they were truly afraid the pilot was planning to do some local version of 9/11 (Imagine one of your own country planes turning the transponder off and then making a 180 turn and heading right back. What would you be thinking?). Finally, the plane could have landed somewhere while flying the route of low radar coverage. The problem with this option is that the knowledge of such a path implies some state involvement and not just a terror plot, yet it is unlikely any state would be interested in hijacking a plane for whatever purpose when they could just easily buy one. Again, this is unless the plane in question carries some cargo. Of course, there is always a James Bond version that some terror org was able to pull this on its own, the plane did not crash, nor was it short down, and TPTB do not know where the plane is at the moment. This would indeed be serious shit, it is just not very likely. The simplest explanation seems to be that plane was shot down a while after it started heading back with its transponder off. It doesn't really matter what the pilots plan and intentions were. The corroborating evidence is the families being offered money compensation very shortly after the event - implies they know that passengers are all dead.
This is along the lines of what I'd been thinking (in the "nefarious activties" category).
"it is unlikely any state would be interested in hijacking a plane for whatever purpose when they could just easily buy one"
Ah! But if it's not the plane that they're interested in but the response? (hightened secuirty? blame on another state?)
US caused Ukraine uprsing and stole the gold.
US destoyed MA 370 and stole the gold.
Gold is the only link between these two stories.
Any more gold deposits lately at the NY FED?
Is there a nail gun link somewhere in the story?
Simon Gruber is working for the FED.
Where is Jeremy Irons?
Simon says, stick'm up and give me your gold, or else.
Zieg Heil!
Die Hard, bitches.
Well, I guess we've finally returned to the care-free days when a huge plane, filled with passengers, could just deviate from flight plan and do whatever for hours on end. So, I can stop being searched at airports now......right?
No, the searches were not about safety. They were about unskilled umployment so they will increase.
I'd rather those unskilled workers pumped my gas than my a.... oh nevermind.
Well, it DOES keep work going for the "skilled" workers who build the planes, no?
USPS only exists because of junk mail.
You're being desensitized to accept tyranny, and you will love your masters for the protection they provide.
Just OBEY, and you'll get along fine. Have a nice day. :)
Not buying it. Family disappearing the day before is not spontaneous. They protray the pilot as completely sane and capable. This plane is on the ground somewhere being prepared for a dasterdly deed. And soon. The longer authorities look the better chance they have of finding it. So my guess is this will resolve quickly one way or another.
Were they kidnapped, the executed to fit the narrative of the crazy Muslim?
The passengers, crew, and the pilot's family?
Who would do such a bad, bad thing?
Send in the ass clowns from the little yellow school bus.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwwuZr6H1LQ
Maybe the authorities don't want to find it. Maybe the authorities have something to do with it disappearing in the first place. Maybe they are planning on creating a new Bin Laden and a new false flag event.
good thought. Reminds me of the Minot AFB uncovering an unauthorized live nuke aboard an AF jet.....all the personnel and guards after its landing are said to be dead.xome fingers point to Cheney/NeoCON artists
"But evidence of the way the plane’s transponder and communication systems were disabled and the way the plane was expertly flown over the Indian Ocean apparently using navigational waypoints meant only a skilled aviator could have been at the controls."
9-11 PROVED that simple Cessna flight instruction allows hijackers to pull off amazing aerial maneuvers of course (sarc).
my bet this boing 777 is going to the history books very soon - as we speek it is most likely being retrofitted to carry nuclear bomb and will be injected into ordinary civilian flights
Recycling is good! </sarc>
This plane is going to get used as a weapon. It's a helluva friendly planet we live on.
"This also explains why they withheld the military radar data for three days, and their continuing reluctance to share information or come clean about what they know. They fear the truth, and with good reason."
More likely the authorities wanted to investigate and see if anyone knew particulars that would implicate them having foreknowledge, and to listen to chatter on the internet and on phone calls for keywords and phrases that indicate someone knew more than what was released to the media.
CHS "also explains" and commentary of fearing the truth with good reason if overhype by himself, and all that big talk is worth doodley squat and Grandma at the country store would say in Josey Wales.
"The scenario that best fits the facts is a spontaneously initiated "drastic political protest" by the captain that went awry, despite his intentions and experience."
CHS conjuecture on use of a Mickey Finn sounds more like premeditation then spontanaity. And without use of the jet to gain attention somehow to his political protest, that scenario hardly fits the facts. When you protest, other people are made aware of your issues, not left guessing as to what was your reasons. This analyses by CHS is so full of holes that you could drive a truck through.
It was a gold heist, and a warning to China.
That's all folks.
The innocents are dead, and the guilty are victorious, again.
Don't they get tired of winning all the time?
STOP BOOTING ME TO PAGE 3, OR ELSE - NAIL GUN!
Now myself, I reckon that the pilot may have rendezvoused with another large aircraft, and flew nose to his tail + 200 feet and for many radars that may have been close enouch to look like a single blip. The lead pilot might not even have known that he was being drafted as they don't have a clear view directly off of their tail, and when flying at night without strobes on and at altitude, even ground based observers would likely not have seen anything that would look strange. Entering clouds at night in that configuration could have been dicey. Was there clear skies? At some remote point, the rear pilot could have broken off to do a landing somewhere. Or once over their friends military base, or remote landing area, both planes could have landed.
Knowing what I do about the ability to spoof and jam electronics from my reading on military systems, even the ACARS pinging could have been spoofed with an imitation and an attempt to throw off the real whereabouts.
Mid air refueling is out of the question. But I am wondering if a jet engine could function with a misted fuel spray directed into the turbine inlets if the electronics are still on? It might be a way to preserve the internal jet fuel in the tanks and get the plane closer to a landing strip that would seem to have been impossible to make it to based on the internal fuel tank limitations.
"The lead pilot might not even have known that he was being drafted"
"Element" already punched holes in this theory.
Likely only possible if another plane were in on the conspiracy.
This seemed plausible : http://keithledgerwood.tumblr.com/post/79838944823/did-malaysian-airline...
And in clear dark skies, you can see the periodic flashing strobes of other aircraft from a very long range, possible for even 100 miles. So it might not be so hard to sink up with another plane. And any passenger plane flying a speific high traffic corridor might have been sufficient. But it would have been best if you could pick one with a favorable flight plan.
The notion of evading communication/tracking systems by mirroring another plane. It was some particular flight, and I don't recall whether it was just some flight known to be in the area or not.
Like I said, the maneuver is definately somthing that's possible but I think that it would probably require an accomplice plane to pull it off. And, then that would lead to asking the question of what is and what is that other plane... (there goes the rabbit!)
Here's a link to Element's post:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-17/finally-plausible-scenario-what...
golden nail guns...
Sanction the Pilot. That will learn him.
I prefer the alien abduction theory. it will make a better movie.
We're living in a hologram, man. Nothing is real, including consequences.
I can't go through every post but I hope it was posted that there is a, call it Theory, that a UFO is involved ...a huge one, and a similar one was seen over Ukraine ... the theory claims, the passengers are safe [rescued from the aircraft that had a failure of some sort], that ET's want Disclosure made ... an end to war, damage to Earth, the release of suppressed technologies, and more, they claim the governments know all about this ... just letting you know this theory is out there, not a surprize
BREAKING NEWS!
SIRIUS "UFO" BRINGS WORLD PEACE!
http://www.whoneedslight.net/page/483751582
Why does every Liberal consider aliens friendly?
Gov't trolls to the back of the little yellow school bus. The ass clowns are waiting for you.
Only manbearpigs are evil.
UFO? Aliens? Why would anyone smart enough to get here even bother?
They were hijacked?
The Capt. calls in the "Stews" for a BJ. One girl sits in the co-pilot seat and does an "Over the console". Co pilot is in the jump seat getting jumped.
The lass in the front accidentally hits the altitude controllers. The pilot does not know they are headed above 45,000 feet - bliss is in the way..
Four minutes later the alarm bells go off and the Capt. realizes what he has done. A quick check shows that many of the passengers in the back are passed out/vomiting from lack of oxygen.
Capt. panics. Dives the plane to 5000 feet in a desperate effort to revive the passengers. He veers left in preparation for an emergency landing back at KL.
Co pilot inspects the back and finds half of the passengers dead. He reports this to the Capt.
He think for a minute, knowing that he will be shot shortly after landing. He gets his pistol and shoots the co-pilot and the Stews. He sets the plane on a heading towards Antarctica and blows his head off.
The wreckage will be found at the location where the plane ran out of fuel and fell to the sea. 1,000 miles SSW of Perth.
As good a theory as any.
So it was the Lady In The Red Dress after all. Suspect after the BJ she bailed out , collected on a big life insurance policy with Bruce as the beneficiary and they are living happily ever after somewhere in the Crimea. Smart guy that Bruce !
As we go forward, there should be a simple technlology that can immediately be put in to play that would render EVERY airplane in the world trackable any where in the world.
Surely there is 'chip' like they want to insert into every human bean that can be surgically attached to the planes that with a flip of a switch would show the coordinates of the location of any plane once the plane's code is tapped in.
The Onstar on my neighbor's caddy can find his addy, unlock his humidor, and prepare him a Rob Roy in about 30 seconds.
This would actually be pretty easy using a very old technology. There is ample bandwidth in the shortwave bands to transmit location data burst from all planes on flight paths that take them out of conventional tracking areas. Simple cheap and rugged. What more could you want? ;-D
Good point, why are they even allowed to turn the transponders off, why is there a switch to do it? Is this in case the planes are every requisitioned for military use?
Already is ....
way off topic on purpose, on purpose becuase all this plane talk crap is a waste. please help, the american community survey i just got in the mail, i have never felt such rape. please bring this to light and start a campaign to stop it. or, am i seriously fucked ? not that answering those questions would hurt me. but they go beyond the irs and i feel for a reason. i have never felt more then i do now to becomeing a fucking REVOLUTIONARY freedom fighter. oh shit. now i am definitely on the no fly list ?????
There are any number of closed airfields that could also be used. I will hazard a guess and give even odds that the jet is not underwater...Time of course will tell...
Since the media runs with this story non-stop, I'll presume it's another distraction to protect you-know-who.
The Queen's incompetence is protected under the Patriot Act.
The elephant in the room, is, of course the burning plane spotted by the kiwi oil rig worker. Ho hum. Doesn't sell many newspapers I suppose.
Every boat blows all his flares every few years, its the law, ... you get rid all old shit by blowing it off, what the man saw could have very well been some fireworks.
Having lived at sea many a years I can tell you its quite common when vessels are at sea to be drunk and blowing off the dated munitions, usually they're dated with a 1-3 year life, and its customary to blow the stuff at sea at arranged time, but in actuality nobody follows the rules.
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Another news I don't see in the west is that GREEK frieghters have reported vast DEBRIS trails, and when asked "DID YOU SEE LUGGAGE", those vessels all of a sudden VANISH. Sightings have been in "Straights of Malaca", ... I suggest you google this story.
This said, as a sailor I can tell you that VAST DEBRIS trails at sea are common, when you have oceans or basin's collide it can cause miles of debris trails miles thick and many miles long, remember the entire WORLD dumps their garbage at sea.
"it's also likely that the sound of a large aircraft hitting the water would also have been detected, regardless of the remoteness of the location."
It probably sounds a lot like a thunder clap. And with 4 million of those each day, it could be very hard to recognize. Those listening devices are more tuned to hearing repetitive sounds like the continuous screw, properller, engine noises, cavitations from vessels and being able to identify each specific vessel by it's audio signature so that we can figure out where subs and surface ships are. And in my book, I really don't think this bird hit water. Splashing it would have been easy right where the deviation started, and places close to there or close to any political place of interest. The smart money would guess that it landed somewhere for some reason. A lack of floating debris and credible oil slick is persuasive in this case.
i am begining to think this site is only looking for readership at all costs. and they are not looking for solutions.
Where do you get your solutions, Sherlock? Fortune cookies?
So true. Imagine showing a map of "last contacts" which happen to be above the Malacca Straits. The author then assumes there is no activity here so radar and communication systems are shut down for the evening.
What an idiot!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strait_of_Malacca
I'd caution people to not jump on the political theory too quickly. You need to get an appreciation of Malaysian politics first. Anwar Ibrahim is (sort of) the Rand Paul of Malaysian politics. Malaysia's entrenched crony rulers have done whatever it takes to make sure he doesn't come to power. His recent conviction on made up sodomy charges is a rehash of an earlier fabricated case. Everyone in Malaysia knows that the purpose was to keep him out of the elections that happen this month. It's generally accepted that the case will get overturned once the elections are over. This isn't shocking news. It may be that Malaysia's rulers are scapegoating Anwar to provide an explaination for the incident and cover their own incompetence in the investigation.
It's still possible the pilot(s) are responsible, but just as likely is a mechanical failure. Either damage where the communication equipment is housed, or a fire where the computers are located. If I were Boeing, I'd be trying to come up with a sequence of damage to the electronics that would simulate the incident.
This event has a nexus with the Ukraine event.
This has nothing to do with Malaysian politics.
Malaysia is on the IRS BLACK-LIST. Malaysia refuses to let the IRS do a colonoscopy on their customers. Malaysia BANKS like North Korea have told the IRS/FBI "GO FUCK YOURSELF" Few nations have such ball's, make no mistake,... Picking Malaysia to launch this CIA operation for zio-neo-con to steal Kazak OIL, has everything to do with politics.
It is the captain. He is an atheist and doesn't fear eternal damnation to the fires of hell. Lol.
He was a semi autistic goofball. No normal person talks politics and obsesses like he did and then attend the sodomy trial of his political leader.
Freaks like that who also spend their free time in simulators can't keep a family.
His family left him and he became suicidal. He waited until dawn to ditch the plane in the deep pacific with a controlled water landing under good visibility so there would be no debris field.
He wanted his kids to get his life insurance policy so he did it in a way no one can prove suicide or a criminal act. Those are often exclusions on life insurance policies. If the black box is never found they can never prove it was a purposeful act.
He and the passengers are deep in the south pacific in a plane that is probably intact.
So, no life insurance can be collected if you're blown up in a plane? Is this an "act of terrorism" clause? (seems that this one is useful; that and the "act of God" one, which, interestingly, according to many hardcore folks who have it that God has all things pre-planned, in which case NO insurance could ever be collected on).
I'm serious. I don't know about all the nuances of collecting insurance for various possible events.
This plane was covered with 'disspearance coverage', I suggest you guys google it, and post it, ... if everybody here could be factual, rather than emotional, we could probably put our asses together.
I can't believe the plane has no device that can detect exactly where it ia located on planet Earth? Like something concealed outside the cockpit which cannot be turned off? What a giant waste of time and $$ looking for a plane.
It does it is called the 'black box'. But it only is activiated in the case of a crash or if it gets wet.
Radar doesn't reach all over the planet. Plus planes can evade radar if needed.
I'm pretty sure someone knows the whereabouts of that airliner. They just don't want the rest of the world to know at this time.
AIS system! All ships have them and I will bet planes have them as well. Automated identification system... You can see all ship locations with a simple google earth pro app....
unless they're subs
I dropped a comment at a WIPP area newspaper, stop by there and educate them a bit
http://www.abqjournal.com/369412/news/carlsbad-residents-stand-strong-for-wipp.html
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They are blinded by the money, and are not properly assessing the risks. However, the entire country can be polluted from this facility which is poorly designed and poorly thought out, even after new information came to knowledge, they kept plodding along.
The former "independent monitor" funded by the DOE, the director Conca bragged about "we got stuff down their way hotter than anything at Hanford, 7 Curies per liter. That is huge huge radiation. That 1 liter would be enough to contaminate 1 Billion chickens to the point of being illegal to sell.
Now that is just 1 liter. They have 500,000 each of 55 gallon drums down there. And you don't understand the risks. URS is the parent corporation, and they have a tradition of firing whistleblowers.
Truth can be found here, and here
http://nukeprofessional.blogspot.com/2014/03/wipp-confirms-leak-in-filter-system.html
http://enenews.com/video-company-that-runs-wipp-reveals-plume-of-radiation-spread-to-population-center-says-its-like-licking-your-iphone-charger-mother-they-dont-want-the-people-to-perhaps-know
Talk to any commercial aviation pilot and they will tell you that the pilot most likely flew the plane somewhere else and landed it. Why is anoher question. But never in the history of aviation has a commercial airliner just gone missing withoug a trace.
How many other rougue pilots are out there?
"But never in the history of aviation has a commercial airliner just gone missing withoug a trace."
It's happened. It has to do with the elapsed time between missing and found. Though this is getting along on the time end of things it's still too early to conclude.
Yep, in the 1960's a flight from GUAM to LAX dissapeared, ... never to be seen again.
This has actually happened many times, ... the famous missing plane to LAX, is thought to be a Howard-Hughes spy plane on a mission, civilian as cover.
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This is like the narrative "The USA has never defaulted on DEBT", bullshit the USA has defaulted many a time, learn history.
This plane even carried 'dissapearance insurance', .. that's how common this shit is.
Assume it "landed" somewhere. It is them more than likely that more than one of the 240+ passengers mobile phones are not turned off and immedeatly would have conected to a mobile network. Dont believe that. Plane is gone.
Wife and kids left the day before? Seems Malaysian authorities should get a lot of info from his wife. What does the fox say?
http://qz.com/188723/seven-things-we-know-about-malaysian-pilot-zaharie-...
Hey, Mr. Hugh-Smith, Malaysia is a sharia state. Captain Ahmad Shah supports opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim who on several occasions has been accused of homosexual acts which is illegal in Muslim-majority Malaysia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_Ibrahim
Soviet-style, or American-style show-trials for that matter, got nothin' on Islamic law show-trials.
Sounds like a CROCK of shit cover story to me. A pilot on his own could not have turned the transponders off; it ain't that simple. Get some technical info first on what it takes to turn those transponders off before publishing such 'Osama' did it drivel. Leave that to CNN.
A pilot can shut the whole thing down by disconnecting a circuit breaker, and the plane’s manual would tell him how to do it.
http://www.businessinsider.sg/why-plane-tracking-systems-can-be-turned-o...
and as you idiots go along with the un-sanity of "guess where plane is" try something REAL mccian is trying to start wars EVERYWHERE for christs sake stop your un-sane energy directed to obvious delusional s
SERIOUSLY high light mccain. high light why he is saying what he is saying high light continually what these retards are saying Zero hedge is beginning to disappoint me. though i like the fact they put up about deflation in europe . ZH begin nonstop bringing to light the retards we the "people" keep voting for. are we all fucking retards ?????Sigh, McCain is a like a zombie that won't die. Seems the best strategy is to ignore him, which only then further infuraites him, making his veins pop out; the hope is that this strategy will lead to him exploding his own skull (silver bullets have utterly failed). Sometimes you just have to have faith that things take care of themselves...
I still think he did it for money, the passengers are dead, and the plane will be fitted with a nuke and used as a delivery system.
I saw a theory that it was taken to be fitted with an EMP device for atmospheric mayhem over some unsuspecting country. We shall see....
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Jimmy Conway: Vinnie, what happened?
Vinnie: Well we-...
Jimmy Conway: You get it straightened out?
Vinnie: No, we had a problem... and uh, we tried to do everything we could.
Jimmy Conway: What d'you mean?
Vinnie: Well, you what I mean. He's gone, and we couldn't do nothing about it.
[pause]
Vinnie: That's it.
Jimmy Conway: What d'you mean? What d'you mean? Uh...
Vinnie: He's gone. Uh, he's gone.
[pause]
Vinnie: And that's it.
Jimmy Conway: [smashing telephone] Fuck. Can't fuckin' believe that, can't fuckin'...
Jimmy Conway: [crying] Fuck it, fuck... the fuck...
[Henry exits diner]
i don't think you all understand. Stop talking about it. stop thinking about it. Its over let go have you not understood what your politicians just did ? 2 times obama faked syria and got caught. can you not stop your self's from following extreme entertainment ?
SERIOUSLY. STOP IT. WHO THE FUCK CARES WHERE THIS PLANE WENT DOWN ? COMPARED TO ? you god damn fucking idiots. stop it. start your fucking focus on over throwing cnn, simple white house and the peoples militaryYour right, I am going off to focus on Mylie Cyrus now.
Refuel @ Diego Garcia
"Distraction Accomplished"
From the moment the story first broke across every news outlet, every channel all over the world. At least the news release timing and all seemed well coordinated. My local TV news station interrupted their local news coverage for this "breaking news" of a plane that had gone "off the radar". A plane from Malaysia traveling to Beijing. Could as well have been from Timbuktu to Nowhere Town as far as my local news is concerned.
Vomit on me
It is not safe to do anything anymore.
I'm sorry. There was a satellite telemetry uplink which didn't include the lat/long? You understand just how implausible that is? You monitor dozens of variables of the plane's status... but not the position? Puhleez... Even RC models record their position these days.
Christ, Google knows where all of your android phones are to a few meters accuracy, every photo you take with a mobile phone is GPS tagged. Occams razor says that the authorities know exactly where this plane is, to within a few metres. Therefore everrything else is hand waving and distraction.
If all that spy talk is true, cell phone gps tracking, whatever they claim they can do, should have been able to pick a few devices, ya'd think! Unless they're all on the bottom of the ocean.
More news on the direct energy weapon. Why is it pointing at the area where the plane was destroyed?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2582844/US-Navy-reveals-p...
This an artists conceptual drawing of a FUTURISTIC space-based power system. The satellite equipment depicted does not exist. The array of satellites does not exist. The beam carrying concentrated energy does exist. It is not a Directed Energy Weapon, either.
Vague and not really convincing. However when the full story is known, it will probably seem fairly improbable.
What I cannot understand is why in this day and age we still rely on black boxes. Why couln't planes simply send black box data including GPS locations up to satellites where it would be rebroadcast down to ground stations which would record it and hold it for a few days? Then if a plane went missing you be able to immediatley find its last location and get some idea of what was happening just before it stopped transmitting. There would be a much better chance of locating survivors.
if the black box streamed data real time, they wouldve turned it off.
You would want to put it somewhere where it wasn't accessible to anyone when the plane was flying. Maybe in one of the wings.
Why would the crew be able to turn it off?
Every load on the plane has a breaker, a fuse, and/or an on-off switch, otherwise you would have an electrical failure and a fire.
I'm sure the electrical schematics for these airplanes is on the internet somewhere.
A black-box is still a load, most of these planes now are all 'fly by wire', meaning that everything is electricity, no more cables or pnuematics, its all high current solid state.
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This was a CIA operation, they were working with BOEING(CHICAGO), you think the CIA-OPS on this mission weren't given the exact location to de-power all 'tracking devices'?
This entire operation is ran out of Chicago by Rahm Emanuel so that ZIO-NEO can steal the OIL in Kazakhstan, a bigger source of oil than Libya.
They WANT it ALL.
No suicide note? no "die imperialist pigs", no "honey, I'm home"... no hard evidence..only paranoic musings?
Now I get it.. the Muslim terrorist HOMOS did it.
Simpler.
Hijackers took over plane. Pilot/copilot resisted & were killed. Passengers overwhelmed the hijackers. Plane flew on autopilot till it crashed.
There was a coordinated effort to make that the official story. Fake passports, Iranian connection and all. That came pretty much right away based on something the "Malaysians" had released. It got dismissed because the very credible mother of one of those Iranians was supposed to pick him up from the airport. How that Iranian fake passport holder would be able to enter on the ground into any country in Europe with a European passport, being Iranian is still a mystery.
Imagine the brown dude with the passport of Herr Adolf Meisterbürger trying to enter Germany where the Mom was supposedly waiting.
This story has more holes than the annual production of all Swiss cheese in Switzerland. That doesn't mean those two fake passport holders were not planted on the plane as potential patsies. It just didn't seem believable enough which is why the storyline was changed early on.
Um, doesn't wearing a "Democracy is Dead" t-shirt mean you are a pro-democracy advocate? So now being pro-democracy make you "fanatical"? Seems like the media can't quite keep their labels straight...
Not being able to find this plane reminds me of when they couldn't find the remaining Boston Marathon bomber even though he was hiding 100 yards from where he abandoned his car. Can't wait for that movie to come out to see how they rewrite that part.
Finally, "Of Two Minds" blog seems to have made its one mind up, but made it up very wrongly in my view
Of Two Minds, .. what happens when you take the USA Neo-Con mind, and shake and bake it with the Israel Likud Zio-Con mind?
You get Charles Smith of two-minds, but one common asshole, .. zio-neo-con.
video of pilot after landing.... finally the facts:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xxz6YDqiJUQ
I disagree
All Pilots are not Putins
Put a gun to most pilot's heads and they become an Obama
"Mission Accomplished" ZH finally brings out a new narrative, but they had to wait until Charles 'AIPAC' Smith or equiv could write a story.
Most interesting is the graphic, it no longer shows the zig-zag route shown in the western media,
Funny but here in Asia, nobody is seriously showing the southern route, only the direct route from KLM to Kazakhstan over Myanmar.
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If CS wasn't so bad the comments here are even better +90% are inane and childish, you have to wonder for what?
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Focus on why USA/CHINA wants troops on the ground to 'search' Kazakhstan, think about why AIPAC has been for weeks now demanding Kazakhstan 'independence' from Russia.
Remember Kazakhstan has MORE oil than Libya.
CS doesn't say a damn thing. He asserts much about USA assets and power.
Of course the USA knows, but this operation is ran by the CIA, ... the USA isn't going to release data on its on operation, this would be a traitorous MSM release.
CHINA isn't going to release, because this is an OIL grab from ZIO-NIO-CON with MSS ( chinese CIA ) approval.
Russia is 'fucked', they got the ZIO's stealing Syria, and Zio's stealing Ukraine, and now on their southern border they got the Zio's ( USA/ISRAEL ) working with Chinese MSS, so essentially we now know that in the coming war, the Chinese with be allies with ZIO-LAND, and not with Russia.
Again Russia is FUCKED.
The reason that Malaysia is releasing the truth, is because Malaysia like Singapore, is essentially chinese speaking and under chinese control.
Misinformation about the flight, kept everybody looking east of KLM, while the true plane was sent up north, but now its well dissasembled or hidden in a CIA al-queda hangar in Kazakhstan.
The people who known's, ... only time will tell.
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The only real truth coming out about the flight is from KGB assets that are releasing MSM information about the flight to Myanmar and most of ASIA is friendly to Russia, so they're getting the Russian story.
What's fascinating is that the RT.com version fed to the USA msm, is not the same news that ASIA gets from Russia, here we get the real news, not the propaganda and conspiracy theory.
A lot of people in ASIA are fed up with this CIA murder shit that's been going on for 60+ years, sadly their governments see the CIA as a revenue source for retirement.
AWACS hijacked the plane to Diego Garcia