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Ukraine Leader In New Leaked Recording: 8 Million Russians In Ukraine "Must Be Killed With Nuclear Weapons"
While the NSA is busy justifying its spying of every American its existence thanks to famous Moscow resident Edward Snowden, its Russian counterparts have been busy intercepting even more phone Ukrainian conversations.
After a month ago a leaked phone call between US assistant secretary of state Victoria Nuland and the US envoy to the Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt confirmed that it was the US that was pulling the strings in what was about to be a violent coup overthrowing Ukraine's president Yanukovich, "someone" has just leaked another phone conversation, this time between parliamentarian Nestor Shufrych and former PM and ideological leader of the Ukraine "revolution" Yulia Tymoshenko and most probable future president of West Ukraine, in which Tymoshenko is makes the following threats, "It’s going too far! Bugger! We must grab arms and go whack those damn katsaps [a Ukrainian word used to refer to the Russians in a negative tone] together with their leader", "I’ll use all my connections, I’ll raise the whole world – as soon as I’m able to – in order to make sure.. Bugger!.. not even scorched earth won’t remain where Russia stands" although all her empty threats collapse in the last sentence of the phone conversation in which she says, regarding the Crimea annexation, that "we are going to take it to the Hague International Criminal Court." Good luck with that.
But the smoking gun, and where Putin once again shows just how masterful of a chess player he is, is the following statement by Tymoshenko, after asked, rhetorically, by her counterparty, "what should we do now with the 8 million Russians that stayed in Ukraine. They are outcasts"... to which she replies: "They must be killed with nuclear weapons."
Needless to say, that is not how you make Russian friends, or diffuse geopolitical tensions with your superpower neighbor, who just happens to be set on recreating USSR 2.0. Because just like that Putin has his provocation carte blanche, as the second something, anything happens to any ethnic Russian in east Ukraine, Putin can point to precisely this conversation as proof of how Ukraine's "government" feels toward the ethnic minorities in the east, and why "they deserve to be protected" the Russian bearhug. Which has been precisely Putin's plan all along.
It is not surprising that after this recording was leaked, that Tymoshenko admitted the validity of the recording except for this part, because she knows just how greatly it can and will be used against her once Putin decides it is time to expand a little further beyond just Crimea.
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— ???? ????????? (@YuliaTymoshenko) March 24, 2014
Some of the other statements, transcribed by RT, confirming just how powerless Ukraine truly is in this struggle between David backed by the world's most insolvent and natgas hungry countries, and an ascendent Kremlin goliath:
Tymoshenko, who plans to run in Ukraine’s presidential election, expressed confidence that she would have found “a way to zap those assholes [Russia].”
“I’ll use all my connections, I’ll raise the whole world – as soon as I’m able to – in order to make sure.. Bugger!.. not even scorched earth won’t remain where Russia stands,” she promised.
Despite being incapacitated by spinal disc hernia the ex-PM stressed she’s ready to “grab a machine gun, you know what I’m saying, and go shoot this bastard [Putin] in the forehead.”
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Ukrainians are stupid slavs. Even in the new country their best attribute is "strong like bull". The worst of them and their Jew commie friends still wear those stupid collective hats. You know the type.
Beautiful ! The country has it all except a structure, a structure that
greased for too long by Russia.
Odessa majority citizens do not support illegit Kiev control. Any real vote would go strong against Kiev...
like the "real votes" that give Putin 99% of the votes 99% of the time?? those kinds of votes?
You make shit up...deserve to be downvoted...
You know nothing about the subject.
what's there to know? the results are always awesome for Putin, President for Life and the opposition is in the Gulag
tell me Russkie, what the fuck else is there to know that I can't see with my own two eyes?
how many Russians have left since Putin, how many people from the West are lining up to live in fucking glorious Putinistan? NJET
I'd much rather have a clever statesman elected fraudulently than a moronic one elected by morons.
@ walküre
1. Most citizens of Russia support Putin. Look at his ratings and stop lying.
2. In Russia there is no "opposition." In Russia there is only the fifth column, which works for the money Washington. All these people are not "opposition." They are political mercenaries. If they receive orders from Washington to kiss Putin's ass, then they will kiss Putin's ass. This is not "the opposition." This is bunch of WH trolls, like you.
Please give the real figures. Fabricating figures doesn't become you.
No, the real voice - it is the voice of the snipers on the Maidan and the voices of those who threw Molotov cocktails in Kiev, is not it?
From The Guardian:
"A US official has told Reuters that Russian intervention into southern or eastern Ukraine would be the clearest trigger for additional sanctions, or violence in Crimea."
What does this mean? They're going to start violence in Crimea now? People are just itching for war.
It has already started in Crimea. Ukrainian agents have alraedy shot several persons which looks like an attempt to do what they did in Kiev when they shot police AND protesters.
The only one itching for war is Russia and the reason why Putin who is Russia's President for Life wants a war is the same reason why every tin pot dictator wants wars. To pay bills and to keep the people engaged and enraged. As long as stupid Russians (not all of them) are focused on reliving the dream of a great Russian empire, the likes of Putin don't have to worry for their thrones.
This is the simplest lesson from history and every 5th grader who learns from history books in Europe knows and understands why kings and queens, dictators and ruthless leaders always went to war.
Putin is a dick and needs to get his face smashed with a crow bar. Then Russia can wake up from the spell they're under. I'm not entirely sure whether magic is involved or not, but Putin is alot like RASputin.
Putin doesn't need to be smart all he needs to do is let the West run it's mouth, dig there own hole and let him look like the good guy.
Putin is running the show from start to finish. This is all his playbook.
Watch RT and get the Kremlin line direct to your home. Putin does propaganda real good and you
fuck-wits buy it in spades. I hope there are no russian speakers left in Alaska !
RT doesn't even have to make it up. They just tell the truth, incredible as it sounds. If the West starts a new cold war the West will be on the wrong side of the iron curtain.
I observe RT and never saw lie. except that little sneak Liz Wahl thing...and mouthy Abby Martin know it all who does not belong there...
Don't watch RT...you might learn something
I want to see her head on a platter.
So "Altruism" is out the window. What a fuck face!
If that recording can be verified without doubt about the woman who is Mutti's trump card for Ukraine, then Putin in effect has a smoking gun and the West is accomplice to this manipulation to the extent where both Nuland and McCain, aka both sides of the neo-con aisle (red n blue), are in cahoots with promoting this division of Ukraine on ethnic and geopolitical lines.
Believe it or not, Yuliya Tymoshenko is actually more stable and sane that the Svoboda party members who are now running the Ukrainian Kiev regime. Their hero is Stepan Bandera, whose supporters murdered Poles, Jews and Russians with such ferocity and in ways that cannot be imagined, to the point where the German Nazis thought they went too far.
Try telling that to our president... or any Democrat for that matter.
They also mass murdered Armenians that populated southern Ukraine.
Yes....German and Bandera were extremes apart. Lots of false propaganda and little truth out there..
So, are we entering 'go time' here? Or just more bread and circuses for us peasants?
Just wondering what Putin had offered Yulia in return for making such a statement?
It is a curious statement as we all know when you wish to perform genocide, you don't use nukes....even an eight year old knows that....too much blow back on the rest of the population.
It's not the constitution, it's the general vibe of the thing.
http://youtu.be/ITUSZ6LRHrk
Now hiring - professional food taster, must be fearless in the face of long agonizing death from polonium laced salads, blintzes and borscht. Bonus for hair braiding skills.
are you refer to media lies about Litvinenko? Better check that brits exposed on that and don't want talk about anymore
http://inhabitat.com/ukraines-tunnel-of-love-is-a-natural-passageway-for...
UKRAINE AND RUSSIA NEED TO MEET UNDER THIS UKRAINEAN LOVE TUNNEL AND SORT SHIT OUT SANS WESTERN INTERVENTION.
The leafy green Kleven train tunnel is a beautiful example of what happens when nature is allowed to grow freely around manmade infrastructure. The tunnel was made over many years as the passing train molded the trees’ lines. The train turned a luscious piece of woodland into a unique passageway as it traveled back and forth 3 times a day over several years.
In addition to serving as a train route, the tunnel is used by lovers to make a wish – it is said that if they are sincere in their love, their wishes will come true.
This is a joke, right?
a scary thought when we know a super majority of the people in Ukraine support non-entry into the EU debt and tax prison.
and more awakening daily...
you pay tax, you get service
you don't pay tax, you don't get to complain
the Greeks had all the services, never paid any taxes and now they're complaining
tough shit
I notice that on the home page PLOY has become PLAN here on the article's actual page, is that intentional? Is that a ploy or a plan? And speaking of PLOYS, couldn't that term refer to this same pattern everytime the West, led by us Americans, choose to assert our divine right of domination? If we can't control it, create as much chaos as possible. Seems to have worked rather well, don't you think? And perhaps a hallmark of Mossad's motto? "By way of deception, thou shalt do war."
See the pattern or allow it to repeat until you do... and that pattern involves Mother Nature's cyclical 'cleansing' as well, but then that is the Plan, is it not? And we all know about it, right?
USA would launch a pre-emptive invasion of any country based on this, if the discussion were to nuke USA and the elected president.
That's preposterous. People rail agains the U.S. all the time.
Our highly illegal and immoral invasions have nothing to do with this kind of smack-talk. It's all about power, money, and control -- AKA empire.
Stupid is as stupid posts......How many times has Iran threatened to nuke the U.S.???? And Obama did what? That's right, he signed a treaty allowing them to continue their nuclear program!
How many times has Iran threatened to nuke the US? Never. Cite exactly when this occurred.
And only sheep are not aware that "wipe off the map" in reference to a country which is not US, was a complete mistranslation.
Considering all the verified facts about this group - the Far Right and Svobdan party members - who have been highly vocal with similar rants on various TV announcements and Youtube videos, the probability that this is genuine is high. If you have never seen genuine psychopaths and sociopaths in action, this is the template for recognizing them in the future.
And so I am having another of those cognitive dissonance moments. I am vehemently anti-war. I have spent most of my adult life voicing my opposition to the infantile use of violence in all its forms as a solution to complex problems. When criminally insane people are found, I much prefer to deal with them in the context of the law, ie arrest them and put them away where they can't harm others or themselves. But what to do when they have a nation and its armed forces at their disposal? What then? What do I do when my own country is engaged in supporting these psychopaths in Kiev?
This has indeed given Putin the excuse the invade the Eastern Ukraine to protect those Russians in imminent danger, so I can totally understand those who are skeptical of such blatant insanity as expressed by Tymoshenko and her colleagues in power in Kiev. IF and that's a big IF Putin does invade the Eastern Ukraine against the total opposition of the EU and the US, and I did not protest against it, I would be mired in my own hypocrisy and shame. I protested so hard last year against the use of military force against Syria by the US, so why not Russia? What's stopping me?
I decided on the conclusion that I must stay faithful to my convictions. Until there is such provocation from the Ukraine and its Nuland & Rogers production of warmongering that physically harms vast numbers of people, Putin must abide. He must stay patient, pick out his spot for the counterargument of his life, identify the evil people behind it, and pick them off one by one. Either by destroying their careers by exposing them for what they are to the wider world or something more drastic. If that means buying time on every msm outlet in the world to tell the truth, then that is what he must do. War is not an option, no matter how attractive and satisfactory it may seem. Right now, it should be abundantly clear to everyone from the support given to Kiev that the psychopaths are in charge of the West. Their grip on governments, main stream media, finance, and consequently a fairly large portion of the public consciousness is extremely strong. He must weaken that grip before making any rash decisions that will undoubtedly, unfailingly lead to armageddon. Some people reckon they can survive a nuclear war. Do some research - you can't. The combined effects of every single unattended/destroyed nuclear power station melting down afterwards mean nothing will likely survive. War is not an option.
I have no problem with war in defense of the homeland. Russia may have to take at least eastern Ukraine to stop the threats from the fascist/nazi Ukrainian nut jobs against Russians in Ukraine. An alliance of Ukrainian fascist/nazi groups with Muslim jihadis has already started, a direct threat to the Russian Federation; this is just another reason for Russia to take eastern Ukraine.
So I cannot agree with your analysis.
I honestly don't blame you. But hopefully you will think about my post awhile and see that it does have some merits.
I agree. The escalation must stop.
War is not an option.
It isn't an option, yet when one puts themselves in anothers shoes, how does one stand in the face of violent fascism and not defend themselves, or atleast the children? Are we to ask them to sacrifice themselves for the higher moral ground? Nobody is loading kids on trains, I get that, but if they do?
Russia cannot just take Eastern Ukraine. They have to take the whole thing, or else they will be leaving a very dangerous, aggrieved and hostile enemy right on their border - an enemy that would be guaranteed to join the EU and may be able to turn the EU into the 4th Reich. And I beleive Putin will take all of Ukraine. He is not a fool.
"Do some research - you can't. The combined effects of every single unattended/destroyed nuclear power station melting down afterwards mean nothing will likely survive. War is not an option."
Indeed...That statement hits pretty hard.
Putin doesn't need any excuses. He was "nice" enough to wait until after the Games but then he followed his plan.
Until Putin is removed from power, the world is no longer safe. That's where we are headed.
There, put that in your pipe and smoke it.
So if you believe it is all his "plan", you must think Tymoshenko and Yatsenyuk, and the rest of the far right/Svobdan gang are actually working for him, and their threats against Russia and the Crimean people are all fake? So Rogers, Nuland, the EU, and all the neocon think tanks who installed them in power are working for Putin then?
That does not even begin to make any sense. But thank you for your contribution. Your bus is leaving.
Putin's plans were known and the Ukrainians reacted.
"I decided on the conclusion that I must stay faithful to my convictions. Until there is such provocation from the Ukraine and its Nuland & Rogers production of warmongering that physically harms vast numbers of people, Putin must abide. He must stay patient, pick out his spot for the counterargument of his life, identify the evil people behind it, and pick them off one by one"
I admire a person who will stay faithful to convictions, although it can be a rocky road at times.
The way Russia has handled this situation so far with as little violence as possible, in other words using restraint beyond what I thought is possible, is in and of itself telling me something about the man. No tomahawk missles were used or bombs with cameras in them or drones which are notorious for killing more than their targets, who maybe innocent, as all are deemed suspects and not convicted of anything in a fair court of law.
I agree 100% with your analysis of how Russia has handled the situation so far. As I said, I had a cognitive dissonance moment about supporting Russia invading Eastern Ukraine, but thinking about the consequences of how it would be interpreted by the most conniving and compliant msm to initiate a war that the banksters, neocons and zionists have been trying hard to force on the world - those considerations made me stick to my principles (to my relief). I think a Russian victory in Eastern Ukraine will very quickly turn out to be pyrrhic. It's a trap to initiate a third world war.
why does everyone keep saying"INVADING".
they are LIBERATING.
Always amused when someone says war is not an option. Hoping no nuclear weapons are used, but we have had plenty of war without nukes since 1945. Actually war is always an option .
We've had wars against people who wear fucking sandals to battle, countries without comparable technology in warfare, and most importantly without nuclear weapons and the delivery systems to use them you fucking deluded twat.
Amuse yourself with those facts.
Well Comrade Barry, I believe, how you say it? Game. Set. Match? Soon...
- Vlad the Hammer
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Am I wrong for being hot for Yulia Tymoshenko? She's like a blonde Princess Leia from the Empire Strikes Back. Sorry I can't help it she's just my babe.
So far, 4 homosexual posters disagree with you......
She's in her middle fifties.
The hair is from a bottle.
She is seriously deranged.
She is a proven thief, on a grand scale.
Her back is ruined, so she won't be too mobile. (all the easier to catch, I suppose)
But, yeah, I'd bang it.
dude, look in the eyes, pure evil.
She's obviously just venting. On a private call, you're allowed to do that.
And of course the Ukrainians have a right to be pissed. If Mexico occupied Califnornia, we'd probably feel the same, despite the history of colonialization and outright land grabs by the White Man, a la Manifest Destiny.
you mentioned Mexico
every heard of "La Raza"?
what do you think they're talking about all the time..
Where have you been? Mexico is occupying California.
What would your opinion be if she was "just venting" about Jews, instead of Russians?
Would the genocidal threats embody any more significance, do you think?
hahaha, just try and mention frying 8 million jews with a nuke within 50 feet of ANY microphone.
it will be plastered on every media outlet that uses letters and/or numbers. there would be special satellites and a network launched to bring up-to-the-minute details on the new legislation to protect israel citizens wherever they might be on the planet, regardless of who's bank account they might be pillaging.
if the statement is legitimate, and all indications are that it is, putin better invade tonight, regardless of how much hot air the cunt is blowing....it sounds like she had finished talking to the traitor mccain.
Menwhile..... errrrr
Meanwhile, Obama plays another 18 holes.......Reggie Love's hole, LANCE bASS' hole, Larry Sinclair's hole, Bobby Titcomb's hole, Kal Penn's hole.....
The West is behaving like Chamberlain and Putin is morphing into Hitler
Everybody wake the fuck up.
woop woop...Western Intel agent alert..
Walk, you are preaching to the blinkered, a little like taking
the horse to water. I mean do Americans prefer Putin because they hate Barry ?
Thats like cutting your nose off to spite your face !
Monday humour:
http://m.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2014/03/putin-announc...
Neither Antiwar.com nor the Drudge Report has touched this as yet.
Because this came from RT and is likely Kremlin propaganda. It may not be. It could be true but even if it is it's mostly irrelevant. She let her mouth write a check her ass can't cash. The west is not going to start WW3 over this. Besides, all parties have what they want except the Ukrainian people, they just don't realize it yet.
She admitted saying it.
Aren't you cute? So when a US-alligned agent gets caught red-handed spousing nuclear way and genocide, she's just running her mouth. But when Hellen Thomas asks Obama if there are any countries in the Middle East with nuclear weapons, she gets banned to the salt mines.
Gotta love the hipocrisy.
People in the US have a lot to be thankful for when it comes to RT. While they may suck ass at revealing their own corruption, they have done a decent job of revealing ours (although could have done better). Why would it even matter if they actually planned on using nukes or some other means? Is it not the intent and character revelation that matter here? Furthermore, even if this tape is fake.... matters none! We already knew their intent.... THEY ARE FUCKING NAZIS !
Women tend to overcompensate for a lack of balls. This is a good example of it.
That or being emotionally abused and belittled ones whole life could create warped bitches like that. These bastards sure know how to pick their token blacks and women. Between Obama, Hillary and this starwars nutter, blacks and women will be lucky if they aren't burned at the stake in large numbers within the next 10 years.
go long KFC and Tampax?
zerohedge must admit complete shame
though i love her hair. its a compete turn on. can we please have more of her pics please, please
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-_ye2QK1zhuc/TivAxCQf2AI/AAAAAAAACi0/BtyVVonHM2I/s1600/yulia%20tymoshenko%20prime%20minister%20of%20ukraine.jpg
Now go and rub one out.
This lead up to potential war, as horrifying as it is, is about to get interesting in ways people can't imagine. Think about all of the state secrets, conspiracy theories etc that Russia has intel and proof on/of. They are gonna start leaking like a sieve if this escalates. Maybe we will finally know the truth about some things. Shame it has to come from a foreign media source because our media sold us down the road.
Regime Change in Ukraine and the IMF’s Bitter “Economic Medicine”
24 March 2014, by Prof Michel Chossudovsky (Global Research)
http://www.globalresearch.ca/regime-change-in-ukraine-and-the-imfs-bitter-economic-medicine/5374877
Excerpt:
One of the requirements of the IMF was that “household subsidies for gas be reduced once again by 50%”.
“Other onerous IMF requirements included cuts to pensions, government employment, and the privatization (read: let western corporations purchase) of government assets and property.
It is therefore likely that the most recent IMF deal currently in negotiation, will include once again major reductions in gas subsidies, cuts in pensions, immediate government job cuts, as well as other reductions in social spending programs in the Ukraine.”
Economic Surrender: Unconditional Acceptance of IMF Demands by Western Puppet Government.
IMF’s “shock therapy”
IMF same exact four-step program: http://www.gregpalast.com/the-globalizer-who-came-in-from-the-cold/
1.0 Privatization ‘Briberization.’
2.0 IMF/World Bank capital market deregulation allows investment capital to flow in and out the “Hot Money” cycle.
3.0 Market-Based Pricing, a fancy term for raising prices on food, water and cooking gas.
4.0 IMF and World Bank call their “poverty reduction strategy”: Free Trade- “The IMF riot.”
What an incredibly stupid move.... check mate. Ukrainians will be on their knees begging for Russia and the whole world will see.
Or in the famous final words of George Costanza: "This could have been a huge mistake" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LCggmsCXk4
What a psycopath.
Liver eating cannibals in Syria, Neo-Nazis in Ukraine.
Obamba has really done well for himself, hasn't he?
Things are progressing at about 1 mil WTFs a day. Time for a vaca!
"I want to make one thing perfectly clear" --as Nixon was so fond of saying... This Tymoshenko women is obviously in serious need of at least five to seven grams of shrooms. In fact, we should be air-dropping several hundred tons of some Golden Teacher over that entire region. Give 'em something seriously more to the point to think about for a while.. : )
These guys in the FSB are great at intercepting juicy phone calls.
And unlike the NSA, they actually have a fuckin' purpose besides just digging through normal peoples lives.
Look ! Free Sharks and Pogo Sticks at ZH again!!!
Tymoshenko also said she had to piss so hard it was coming out of her ears.
Long Q Tips?
She looks so sweet, love to see her in a cat fight with Nuland.
Time to fire-up Ol' Sparky & start arresting Brezinski, Soros, Nuland et al & the Neo-Con Scum for inciting, aiding & abetting Race-Hatred and attempting to instigate WW3.
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I can hear Putin laughing from my porch.
Uughh? What the hell is Putin doing on your porch?
How is the weather in Alaska?
The threat by Tymoshenko
shows there is NO contrived "ploy" by Putin.
There's no doubt that the Soviet Union was more than a little hard on its citizens. But they were the only real check on western gangsterism and empire building.
I can't discern any theoretical limit to Imperialism 2.0 capacity for oppression. They've shown a willingness to rationalize anything. I think the progression from the current "take what we want" will go sterilization, euthanasia, then anything.
She must have had the vision on the pain killer PERCOCET (synthetic heroin).I'm having a vision of my own,it's her and Victoria in the sack together.
The Globalist banksters would just as soon do to the US as what they have done to Ukraine.
Think about that Military Industrial Complex morons. where the hell lare you and your families going to live.
I guess we only survive on our meager remaining freedoms because there are two factions of global power left. Am I the only person here who fears for the average American Jew? This Zionist banking cartel is setting them up! If I was an American Jew I would be screaming at the top of my lungs against all of this. The anger is rising so quickly and when the IMF, IBS Zionist types are untouchable, who is it that will get torn to shreds?
Is anyone else seeing the angle where Israel is being set up also? They are going to provoke its destruction and then use it as an excuse for.... everything. Kissinger or whoever is in charge of their long term planning gets a D- for creativity, talk about played out already.
@Ms No.
You are wiser than I, but I don't see Israel being set up. More likely, Israel will be the last man standing. Until the radioactivity ends that, as well.
That's another possibility. Not saying by any means that set up is a certainty but definitely a possibility. Psychopaths don't think rationally, world wide destruction is probably also on the table. Maybe their magical thinking will delude them into the belief they will be fine. If they can't have everything no one will. Who knows, maybe they are already suprised that Isael hasn't been retaliated against in a serious way. They definitely seem to be pushing for it. Look how much they capitalized on the horrors of the holocaust, these people are seriously sick.
You are not absolutely, entirely alone. There are just a few other people who agree with you.
Nah, 'tis Englishmen who are for block. When the Scottish invade Northern Ireland, who takes the blame?
How handy for Putin that he has this "recorded conversation" - or manipulated recording ...
You bought the YELLOW CAKE story didn't you?
Add to that ZH publishing this, while marginalzing the Russian commentator talking about nuking the US. IF ZH finds something favorable to Russian masterminding and empowerment, it gets posted, if not, it doesn't as much or is not emphasized with a blaring headline. Lost in all of this is a lot of lost credibility all the way around, where the US, UK and Russia agreed with Ukraine not to violate its territory in exhcange for voluntarily giving up its nukes to Russia in the 90s. Why is that not referenced in the ZH remarks singling out the Ukrainian frustation? Ukraine EXPRESSLY and VOLUNTARILY gave up their nukes in 1994-1995 as assurance that this type of event that is going on in Crimea would NOT HAPPEN, but it is happening. Now perhaps the Ukrainians are injecting doubt in Putin that perhaps they didnt fork over all of their nukes. I will say this, if they did not, someone was brilliant on the Ukrainian side to not believe the powers 20 years ago. Naturally, Putin can wipe the place out if he chooses, but there is an awdul lot of loose talk about nuclear weapons, from both Russia and Ukraine. I think it is very important both sides begin talking again to avoid miscalculation
More and more, ZH is proving to be a Russian mouthpiece and propganada site all in the guise of presenting real view financial blog and news. I am thinking real hard and I can not come up with any recent pro-American stance on any issues posted here. ZH cred gets diminished when only pro-Russian pieces or rationalizations of Russian behavior get posted, and not the other sides of the story.I'd like to see this get back to financial blog specialized news strictly, and less politics.
For such a knowledgable and articulate person, I am surprised that you are unaware of numerous agreements that have been violated by NATO and the US. What were you saying about credibility?
ZeroHedge is just fine. Never been better. If you wish to sulk, because your MSM position is not the consensus position here, go sulk. I am here for the politics. Especially the comments. Sometimes, I believe that I can get closer to the truth by observing the resultant adversarial melee from these provocative articles.
I can not come up with any recent pro-American stance on any issues posted here.
After Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria and now Ukraine, the credibility of U.S. foreign policy is shit. I'd love to see a pro-American commentary, as long as I could believe it for more than two seconds.
Friend, you can't make money without a clear understanding of current political environment and wise counsel on trajectory of such.
You are confusing being pro-Obama administration with being pro-American. In fact the two are almost diametrical opposites.
bk, I thought it was only me thinking that this site had been taken over by
the KGB. I only joined ZH to learn a little more on the Financial side, thanks for
your post.
I think it's hogwash, too. Just too extreme to be plausible. Sounds too much like propaganda, especially considering the source.
I can't blame you for you sentiment and we shouldn't lose track of the fact that it is in Putin's interest to appear to care about those people. We all know in the end he is a politician and it is about strategic oil pipeline infrastructure and ports. However, the statement "too extreme to be plausable" rings Orwellian don't you think? We are talking about the people who resurrected the black death from a frozen Esquimo here.
Tymoshenko, you're as cold as ice...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_1XdSqBQUg
+1 for Foreigner
Obama In Shock After US Oil Giant Sides With Putin; Declares “No Ukraine War”
According to this report, Tillerson is the head of this giant American multinational oil and gas corporation, headquartered in Irving, Texas, that is a direct descendant of John D. Rockefeller's Standard Oil Company and is the world's third largest company by revenue.
Important to note, this report continues, is that Exxon Mobil has long charted a course separate from that of the United States government as evidenced by Tillerson’s predecessor, former CEO Lee Raymond, once stating, “I’m not a U.S. company, and I don’t make decisions based on what’s good for the U.S.”
As to Tillerson’s actions in averting a war over Ukraine, this report says, was his ordering Obama to abandon all support for Japan’s claim to the resource-rich Sea of Okhotsk before the United Nations Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf (CLCS) in order to prevent an all-out Russian invasion.
http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1757.htm
note: as always, You Decide!
Wow, that adds another layer. They are also one of the only players that obstained from a lot of these tight oil plays. Can't say I blame them, 13% flat tax sounds pretty damn good to me right now. Is the future outlook for oil in the states that bad?
War would fuck with world oil supplies. Your average American wouldn't be able to afford to drive with what it might possibly do to the price of oil. And if oil companies cannot sell their oil, what then?
Typical Western leadership. Angry murderous women. I remember when it wasn't this way.
What, when Lenin and Stalin killed 40 million of them in the good old days of Russian rule.
If she had spinal disc hernia she wouldn't be able to walk on those high-heels.
At this point, as many conspiracies as have been proven fact lately.... If I found out that these nutters were sacrificing babies on full moons and summoning demons in their too-toos while eating the livers of virgins, I would not even blink an eye in surprise. Seriously, what is next?
Weimar 2.0.
I don't believe she said that.
Do you honestly believe that?
Even Nuland did not refute the authenticity of her recorded calls.
Then again you might not believe how much she had profited from her position prior to being put in jail.
You have to remember that the Russians are masters at propaganda and dis-information. This would certainly fit their modus operandi. It could be true as well. I think it would be foolish to by into this one way or another. Given the fact that the west and Russia have been in full propaganda mode, I would be very careful what I believe.
Does anyone believe that what Yulia said has not been said by others associated with a NWO?
Yulia is corrupt and has already fleeced her country, but the powers to be put up with her while she serves a purpose.
Saddam once served a purpose as did Noriega. Then all of a sudden they were declared "bad boys."
Next please.
This whole thing is just not credible. Maybe the West should walk away from this one. The annexation of Crimea has been a non-issue from the start.
Putin had this one planned a while ago. The buildup, the execution and the grand finale were all masterfully orchestrated by none other than the former KGB boss and now Russian President for Life. Why some here insist it was the West who pulled the strings is a sure give away to very effective Russian propaganda and deep hatred from Americans for their own country. It can be blinding.
double
Really? Did Yulia really say "fuck" and "motherfucker"?? Was this interpreted correctly? I'm not trying to defend her or the Ukrainians involved in the Coup d'tat. What's with the beeping out of the words? If they spied into the call who cares, but do Ukrainians say FUCK?
Or is there a Ukranian equivalent to the word Fuck? Like UKUFUCK...Just sayin'... "Ukufucka mudders"..
they bleeped out the parts where she said she loves Russians
One flew over the coo-coos nest, deserves another. Only in America are they training to go to war against their own people. This is just God awful. No one will escape this plan to kill America.
http://www.thedailysheeple.com/homeland-security-exercise-targets-free-a...
Remember this history. We have reached the epitome of insanity and evil run amok in the former united States of America. We the People have no control of the propaganda lying media. When these puppets fulfill their orders to start a world war, please remember it was a small cadre of evil things that have usurped the country from the top down to the piss hole it all crawled out of. We the American People do not support this out of control machine elected leadership.
NO ONE WANTS ANY MOAR WAR HERE AT ALL!
SUPPORT THE TROOPS...
BRING THEM ALL HOME NOW TO PROTECT AMERICA FROM THE ENEMIES WITHIN.
HELP!!!!
Is this "crisis" more like
1. Lolly Madonna
2. The Grissom Gang
3. Pretty Poison
or should we adopt the larger perspective of
4. Seconds (Europeans reinvent themselves one time too many)
gee only 8 million.... Bill Ayers... Obama's asshole buddy said AS A MINIMUM 25-30 MILLION WOULD HAVE TO BE RE-EDUCATED OR KILLED .... he said this to an FBI undercover agent .... the unrepentant ghost writer of obumblers book and political supporter... and dont let it bother you that obumbler is a member and oath taker of the new socialist (communist) party.... this directly conflicts with his oath as president.... but for commies the end justifies the means... so the ukrainians are dependent on a commie scumbag to save their ass... sure thing.
esum, calm down, calm down......your working yourself all up again. Go grab that remote and tune in Fox News, breathe into a paper bag, and just relax. That nasty Mr. Obama who is making it a personla goal to upset you will be gone in just a couple years.
"...No more than ten to twenty million, tops!..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuP6KbIsNK4
"And I say, no more than ten to twenty million killed, tops-depending on the breaks!"
Able, Able, calm down. Go grab yourself a rifle and play combat infantryman in someplace like Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan. Adopt a killerdroone , kill some brown people, take a nap. Your hero Obama your grenades.
And we wonder why the big banks, financial services industry and crony capitalists like Buffet, Gates and the Koch brothers always win. The tribal thrill as it runs up the leg is just too hard to resist.
"not even scorched Earth won't remain"
of course this is russian propaganda ALL TELEVISED MEDIA IS PROPAGANDA but that doesnt mean that we cant have a laugh at the ridiculousness of it. In ever sphere of power currentlt are crazy people so to hear that anyone in any govt has made a statement like this is not suprising.. only normal people are barred from govt instead their given an internect connection and tv
you tipped your hand-you trust US Corporate MS Media.....a Unit of the NSA®.......nice try/bluff
I swear this website is getting more like the Onion every day. Has it been overtaken by the OLygarcs?
It appears that one of Ukraine's right sector top thugs was murdered.
But you may know him as this guy:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a86_1393511334
Or possibly this guy:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a0f_1393436865
Or possibly this guy:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=814_1395422940
RT will be best coverage on this for US...
Even knowing its source....I STILL trust RT more than any USA/NSA run corporate media
Trust nothing.
On 7 March 2014, ITAR-TASS reported that he is wanted by Russian authorities for war atrocities.[8] On March 11, 2014 Russian State Duma deputy Valery Rashkin (ru) urged Russian special services to "follow Mossad examples" and assassinate leaders of Right sector Dmytro Yarosh and Oleksandr Muzychko.[9]
On March 24 2014 a group of unknown armed people arrived on three Volkswagen minivans and kidnapped Muzychko and five other people from a cafe near Rivne. They murdered Muzychko behind the cafe by two gunshots to the heart.[10] [2] [11]