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Putin Calls Obama To "Draw Attention To Ukraine Extremists", Obama Replies With Request For Putin To Pull Out
Moments ago the White House made a fine point of announcing that - for the first time since the Ukraine crisis erupted and led to the unanswered annexation of Crimea by Russia - Putin called the White House first to discuss what was vaguely enough described as "a diplomatic resolution to the crisis in Ukraine." However a more detailed read through of what actually happened reveals that there is less here than meets the eye (as a rational person would suspect since any truly good news would have been divulged during market trading hours).
As the Kremlin's own interpretation of the call between the two leaders discloses, "Vladimir Putin drew Barack Obama’s attention to continued rampage of extremists who are committing acts of intimidation towards peaceful residents, government authorities and law enforcement agencies in various regions and in Kiev with impunity."
Here, Putin undoubtedly is focusing on last night's storming of the parliament by the "Right Sector" neonazis, which initially had been insturmental in the violent Ukraine coup and have now become a huge nuisance to the acting government. Which, as we noted yesterday, meant they suddenly had become Putin's best friend. Because in bringing attention to their actions, the Kremlin makes it quite clear that the Russian case of neofascists running rampant in Kiev, was in fact at least partially accurate.
Kremlin goes on:
In light of this, the President of Russia suggested examining possible steps the global community can take to help stabilise the situation. The two presidents agreed that specific parameters for this joint work will be discussed by the Russian and US foreign ministers in the near future.
Vladimir Putin also pointed out that Transnistria is essentially experiencing a blockade, which significantly complicate the living conditions for the region’s residents, impeding their movement and normal trade and economic activities. He stressed that Russia stands for the fair and comprehensive settlement of the Transnistria conflict and hopes for effective work in the existing 5+2 negotiation format.
Simply said, Putin called Obama to make it quite clear that the Russian is nowhere close to de-escalating, and in fact is bringing even more attention to the old party line - that Russia is concerned about the living conditions of Russians and other "compatriots" in Ukraine. The implicit threat here is that should the neonazis continue to act with "rampant impunity" then Russia will have no choice but to intervene.
How about the flip side? Here is the White House's version of events from The Hill:
President Obama called on Russian President Vladimir Putin to pull back his troops from Ukraine’s border on Friday during a phone call between the two leaders. Obama noted that the Ukrainian government has pursued “a restrained and de-escalatory approach” in the crisis, the White House said.
He urged Russia to support Ukraine’s democratic process and to "avoid further provocations, including the buildup of forces on its border with Ukraine.” The phone call, which was initiated by Putin, comes a day after Agence France-Presse reported nearly 100,000 Russian troops had lined up along their border with Ukraine, according to a Ukrainian official.
“President Putin called President Obama today to discuss the U.S. proposal for a diplomatic resolution to the crisis in Ukraine, which Secretary Kerry had again presented to Foreign Minister Lavrov at the meeting at the Hague earlier this week, and which we developed following U.S. consultations with our Ukrainian and European partners,” the White House said in a statement.
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Obama made it clear to Putin, the White House said, that de-escalation in the crisis can only happen if Russian pulls its troops back and doesn’t take steps “to further violate Ukraine’s territorial integrity and sovereignty.”
During the phone call, Obama also reiterated the United States “strongly opposes” Russia’s actions, which he said violated Ukraine’s sovereignty. Obama also expressed this message to Russia in an interview that first aired on “CBS This Morning” on Friday.
Russia’s troop buildup, Obama said in the interview, “may simply be an effort to intimidate Ukraine or it may be that they've got additional plans.”
To summarize, Putin calls Obama to inform him, and thus the international community, just under what conditions Russia will continue to push on inside Ukraine - namely a real or false flag provocation by "extremists" against Russians, while Obama drones on, pun inteded, about de-escalating and threatening with "costs." Sounds about right.
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It is a reaal problem when politicians are more intent on putting their spin on discussions like this than actually listening to what has been said, very bad decisions can be made believing your own spin instead of what you are actually being told, then the same politicians express astonishment that 'x' made so and so move and have no idea why.
This is too important a situation for Obama to start playing games.
Your sarc switch is stuck in the on position +1
There can only be 1 boss...
http://bomsear.eu/putin-dog/
Russia hands back Ukrainian submarine - says "Nyet, spasibo".
The sole submarine of the Ukrainian navy, the Zaporizhe, whose crew handed it over, with themselves, to the Russian navy, will be returned to Ukraine, it was announced on 29 March.
The diesel submarine, a class 641, is 44 years old and no longer useful, the Russian navy stated. For decades the Ukrainian submarine hasn't even been used, but has been docked for several rounds of maintenance.
The use of Class 641 submarines has long since been discontinued in the Russian navy. Some of them have become museum exhibits.
The crew of the Zaporizhe have been offered roles on our new submarines, said the Russian navy.
Original : http://korrespondent.net/ukraine/politics/3341352-rossyia-vernet-ukrayne...
Genius...will cost more to maintain that POS than it is worse. The ultimate money sink. i wonder how much the Russians are going to charge The Ukrainians for slip or morring ees.
I swear that, Putin must be studying not only Judo but "JEW-DOUGH"!
Did you ever wonder if all this is what 0bamao meant when he told Medvedev to tell Vlad he would have "more flexablity after the election?" (Which looks alot like treason.)
Someone once said the difference between a communist and a socialist is that commies sieze power at the point of a gun; a socialist siezes power at the point of a pen. Quote 0bamao "I have a pen..."
Putin forces his agenda on other countries. 0bamao forces his agenda on American citizens with his f-ing pen.
How much difference is there really?
"...the difference between a communist and a socialist is that commies sieze power at the point of a gun; a socialist siezes power at the point of a pen."
There's a lot of truth in that.
And it was Edward Griffin who said (paraphrased) that when you peel back the layers of lies and deceipt from socialists, communists, fascists and all the other "ists" and "isms", you discover they are all basically the same and all have the same ultimate goal: totalitarian government, each one according to his preferred doctrine.
And this is why they eventually go to war with each other (eg: Hitler & Stalin): because there can only be one top-dog at any point in time.
It suits corrupt Western educational establishments to portray each different group as being either on the Left or Right of the political spectrum. This makes it easy for them to divide and rule us.
But they are not. They all belong on the Far Left ...and that includes Fascism. They all want totalitarian government and all of the side dishes: big government, authoritarian govt, collectivism etc etc. Basically turning the people into obedient slaves.
Putin is simply setting the stage for his next invasion. Putin will soon have his own choice as premier running Ukraine the Russian way.
When all is said and done about the 'illegal annexation', where are all the complaints from the actual Crimeans who now live under 'Putin's despotic rule'?
Something the war drummers seem to have ignored in their barrels of ink spilled to convince us otherwise.
Not that Putin is anyones idea of a hot date, but I don't see this as a minor point of little consequence.
He's certainly a more effective administrator than Fatty McDead Mushy of neo-nazi fame.
C'mon Obama, face that you got caught screwin the pooch and go back to the golf course.
Maybe you'll get lucky and Lady Gaga will OD, grabbing the front pages for the next 2 weeks.
Obama's feelings were previously hurt, so now Putin is placating Obama's feelings and tellin him in advance that he is taking the rest of Ukraine.
Sounds like Putin is drawing the red line this time.
Let's see how the Queen plays defense.
Wtf Tylers?
Are you taking Saturday off?
Post some shit!
Meanwhile, the Obama Administration announces plans to provide anti-aircraft missiles to Al Qaeda rebels in Syria -- the announcement coincides with Obama's visit to Saudi Arabia.
http://news.yahoo.com/obama-may-allow-air-defense-help-syria-rebels-1540...
One good thing that came from 0bama being challenged by hard ass Putin: 0 lost the mom jeans.
Meanwhile....
“By the end of the weekend, Europe’s biggest war since 1945 will have begun or Putin will have started to send the troops on the border home,” declared Professor of the Naval War College at Boston University, John Schindler.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/a-rapid-russian-buildup-of-tanks-and-troops-with-tough-talk-from-president-vladimir-putin-raises-fears-war-with-ukraine-could-be-imminent/story-fni0xs61-1226867240935
"War is when your government tells you who the enemy is - Revolution is when you figure it out for yourself"