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The Paul Craig Roberts Dilemma: World War Or The End Of The Dollar
Submitted by Paul Craig Roberts via The Institute for Political Economy,
Is the US or the World Coming to an End?
It will be one or the other
2014 is shaping up as a year of reckoning for the United States.
Two pressures are building on the US dollar. One pressure comes from the Federal Reserve’s declining ability to rig the price of gold as Western gold supplies shrivel and market knowledge of the Fed’s illegal price rigging spreads. The evidence of massive amounts of naked shorts being dumped into the paper gold futures market at times of day when trading is thin is unequivocal. It has become obvious that the price of gold is being rigged in the futures market in order to protect the dollar’s value from QE.
The other pressure arises from the Obama regime’s foolish threats of sanctions on Russia. Other countries are no longer willing to tolerate Washington’s abuse of the world dollar standard. Washington uses the dollar-based international payments system to inflict damage on the economies of countries that resist Washington’s political hegemony.
Russia and China have had enough. As I have reported and as Peter Koenig reports here http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article38165.htm Russia and China are disconnecting their international trade from the dollar. Henceforth, Russia will conduct its trade, including the sale of oil and natural gas to Europe, in rubles and in the currencies of its BRICS partners.
This means a big drop in the demand for US dollars and a corresponding drop in the dollar’s exchange value.
As John Williams (shadowstats.com) has made clear, the US economy has not recovered from the downturn in 2008 and has weakened further. The vast majority of the US population is hard pressed from the lack of income growth for years. As the US is now an import-dependent economy, a drop in the dollar’s value will raise US prices and push living standards lower.
All evidence points to US economic failure in 2014, and that is the conclusion of John Williams’ April 9 report.
This year could also see the breakup of NATO and even the EU. Washington’s reckless coup in Ukraine and threat of sanctions against Russia have pushed its NATO puppet states onto dangerous ground. Washington misjudged the reaction in Ukraine to its overthrow of the elected democratic government and imposition of a stooge government. Crimea quickly departed Ukraine and rejoined Russia. Other former Russian territories in Ukraine might soon follow. Protesters in Lugansk, Donetsk, and Kharkov are demanding their own referendums. Protesters have declared the Donetsk People’s Republic and Kharkov People’s Republic. Washington’s stooge government in Kiev has threatened to put the protests down with violence. http://rt.com/news/eastern-ukraine-violence-threats-405/ Washington claims that the protests are organized by Russia, but no one believes Washington, not even its Ukrainian stooges.
Russian news reports have identified US mercenaries among the Kiev force that has been sent to put down the separatists in eastern Ukraine. A member of the right-wing, neo-Nazi Fatherland Party in the Kiev parliament has called for shooting the protesters dead.
Violence against the protesters is likely to bring in the Russian Army and result in the return to Russia of its former territories in Eastern Ukraine that were attached to Ukraine by the Soviet Communist Party.
With Washington out on a limb issuing threats hand over fist, Washington is pushing Europe into two highly undesirable confrontations. Europeans do not want a war with Russia over Washington’s coup in Kiev, and Europeans understand that any real sanctions on Russia, if observed, would do far more damage to Europeans. Within the EU, growing economic inequality among the countries, high unemployment, and stringent economic austerity imposed on poorer members have produced enormous strains. Europeans are in no mood to bear the brunt of a Washington-orchestrated conflict with Russia. While Washington presents Europe with war and sacrifice, Russia and China offer trade and friendship. Washington will do its best to keep European politicians bought-and-paid-for and in line with Washington’s policies, but the downside for Europe of going along with Washington is now much larger.
Across many fronts, Washington is emerging in the world’s eye as duplicitous, untrustworthy, and totally corrupt. A Securities and Exchange Commission prosecuting attorney, James Kidney used the occasion of his retirement to reveal that higher ups had squelched his prosecutions of Goldman Sachs and other “banks too big to fail,” because his SEC bosses were not focused on justice but “on getting high-paying jobs after their government service” by protecting the banks from prosecution for their illegal actions. http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/04/09/65578/
The US Agency for International Development has been caught trying to use social media to overthrow the government of Cuba. http://rt.com/news/cuba-usaid-senate-zunzuneo-241/
This audacious recklessness comes on top of Washington’s overthrow of the Ukrainian government, the NSA spying scandal, Seymour Hersh’s investigative report that the Sarin gas attack in Syria was a false flag event arranged by NATO member Turkey in order to justify a US military attack on Syria, Washington’s forcing down Bolivian President Evo Morales’ presidential plane to be searched, Saddam Hussein’s “weapons of mass destruction,” the misuse of the Libyan no-fly resolution for military attack, and on and on. Essentially, Washington has so badly damaged other countries’ confidence in the judgment and integrity of the US government that the world has lost its belief in US leadership. Washington is reduced to threats and bribes and increasingly presents as a bully.
The self-inflicted hammer blows to Washington’s credibility have taken a toll. The most serious blow of all is the dawning realization everywhere that Washington’s crackpot conspiracy theory of 9/11 is false. Large numbers of independent experts as well as more than one hundred first responders have contradicted every aspect of Washington’s absurd conspiracy theory. No aware person believes that a few Saudi Arabians, who could not fly airplanes, operating without help from any intelligence agency, outwitted the entire National Security State, not only all 16 US intelligence agencies but also all intelligence agencies of NATO and Israel as well.
Nothing worked on 9/11. Airport security failed four times in one hour, more failures in one hour than have occurred during the other 116,232 hours of the 21st century combined. For the first time in history the US Air Force could not get interceptor fighters off the ground and into the sky. For the first time in history Air Traffic Control lost airliners for up to one hour and did not report it. For the first time in history low temperature, short-lived, fires on a few floors caused massive steel structures to weaken and collapse. For the first time in history 3 skyscrapers fell at essentially free fall acceleration without the benefit of controlled demolition removing resistance from below.
Two-thirds of Americans fell for this crackpot story. The left-wing fell for it, because they saw the story as the oppressed striking back at America’s evil empire. The right-wing fell for the story, because they saw it as the demonized Muslims striking out at American goodness. President George W. Bush expressed the right-wing view very well: “They hate us for our freedom and democracy.”
But no one else believed it, least of all the Italians. Italians had been informed some years previously about government false flag events when their President revealed the truth about secret Operation Gladio. Operation Gladio was an operation run by the CIA and Italian intelligence during the second half of the 20th century to set off bombs that would kill European women and children in order to blame communists and, thereby, erode support for European communist parties.
Italians were among the first to make video presentations challenging Washington’s crackpot story of 9/11. The ultimate of this challenge is the 1 hour and 45 minute film, “Zero.” You can watch it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU961SGps8g&feature=youtu.be
Zero was produced as a film investigating 9/ll by the Italian company Telemaco. Many prominent people appear in the film along with independent experts. Together, they disprove every assertion made by the US government regarding its explanation of 9/11.
The film was shown to the European parliament.
It is impossible for anyone who watches this film to believe one word of the official explanation of 9/11.
The conclusion is increasingly difficult to avoid that elements of the US government blew up three New York skyscrapers in order to destroy Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Somalia, Syria, Iran, and Hezbollah and to launch the US on the neoconservatives agenda of US world hegemony.
China and Russia protested but accepted Libya’s destruction even though it was to their own detriment. But Iran became a red line. Washington was blocked, so Washington decided to cause major problems for Russia in Ukraine in order to distract Russia from Washington’s agenda elsewhere.
China has been uncertain about the trade-offs between its trade surpluses with the US and Washington’s growing encirclement of China with naval and air bases. China has come to the conclusion that China has the same enemy as Russia has–Washington.
One of two things is likely: Either the US dollar will be abandoned and collapse in value, thus ending Washington’s superpower status and Washington’s threat to world peace, or Washington will lead its puppets into military conflict with Russia and China. The outcome of such a war would be far more devastating than the collapse of the US dollar.
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all evidence and theory- some of which was undoubtedly planted to muddy the waters --- Cass Sunstein anybody?
It is only because the mind has been made supple and receptive to the whims of authority that this is even an issue.
I would give you +100 if I could for that
Sorry to have to be the one to tell you this, but you're suffering from Cognitive Dissonance. The "official" story on 911 is utter bullshit. The co-chairs of the "911 Committee" admitted as much and agree there should be a more in-depth investigation. But just like the JFK assassination and the "magic bullet theory", 911 will never be re-opened by the government agencies. Perhaps we'll learn the undeniable truth in the same way we learned the "conspiracy" about NSA spying, was indeed fact.
Long story short, Wjunk, wake the fuck up!
May be the son of the JFK assassin, suffering from cognitive dissonance fired a bullet that caused the planes to swing of course and into the buildings....there makes just as much sense as the idea that hundreds of government employees are involved in killing hundreds of Americans and all decided to keep it hush hush, perhaps they pinkie swore.
They didn't all keep it secret. FBI agents knew what was going on. They were shut up. Read the 9/11 commission report and even they admit agencies had the information but were prevented from sharing it.
It doesn't take an army to pull this off- it takes a few people at the top to shut down investigations and stymie the honest agents. Surely you know how top-down organizations work. Throw in some timely military drills to explain how all the balls were impossibly dropped the day of. Bingo. Bango. Bongo.
But, honestly, why the F am I wasting my time. As you were.
Yep, got an Uncle who for years swore the moon landings were faked as well, whenever any bad shit goes down the looney fringe always come out with the most bizarre ideas of why, the badder the shit the loonier the theory.
My Uncle is now off on some proven theory that we have all been lied to about the orbit of the moon, he has articles from the web, photos and all kinds of evidence.
Reality has enough bad shit without creating anymore, being a healthy open minded cynic will take you a long way, but...whatever floats your boat is fine.
I do know how top down organisations work, you could not keep this secret, not in a million years, I'm kinder surprised I did not receive more vitriol from the fringe, 911 is a subject that brings out the worst in both sides..
Yeah, I've got an uncle too. He likes long walks on the beach and taxidermy. The attempt to paint broadly with the crazy brush is transparent and infantile.
How long did they conceal the truth about what happened (or didn't) in the gulf of Tonkin?
Crazy talk. Down the memory hole with such uncomfortable information.
Tell your uncle I said hi and I'll see him on the dark side of the moon.
The Tuskegee Syphillis experiments were kept secret for over forty years, until one of the doctors involved in the experiment finally stepped forward to spill the beans.
That means for forty years, all the other doctors, nurses, clerks, stat boys, and FedGov employees that were part of the project "pinkie swore" and kept the secret no problem.
So because you gene pool is shite and you kave an idiot uncle, the laws of physics are suspended for this instance in history and well, bullets can turn in mid air, and buildings can fall down, and steel can be melted at below its melting point.
Okay, I get it.
So what if my uncle is an engineer and a physicist with an IQ of 179 and he concurs with PCR's analyzation of 9-11?
What happens then? I see your inbred idiot uncle and I raise you a genius PHD.
AIPAC and 9 11
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/12/23/aipac911saudi/
From the Press TV article: “This week, Congressional representatives Stephen Lynch (D-MA) and Walter Jones (R-NC) have officially requested a congressional resolution demanding President Obama declassify the heavily redacted Congressional Investigative Report on 9/11. The two representatives had just been given authority under penalty of ‘national security secrecy’ to read the censored 28 pages of the 800-page report that had not been seen. What has been made clear is that President Bush was fully aware that neither Afghanistan nor Iraq were involved in 9/11 and that military action against those two nations was done to cover involvement of his administration in 9/11, involvement that included support from foreign intelligence agencies. The representatives, while reviewing the report, came to the portion titled ‘Specific Sources of Foreign Support.’
A 28-page section here had been ‘butchered’ by the White House on the personal orders of President Bush. On the original report given to Congress, an estimated 5-10,000 words were omitted from this section with page after page of dotted lines replacing text.”
This is only the most recent of revelations that AIPAC has managed to suppress through pressuring congress and its powerful assets in the press. What is increasingly clear is that many of AIPAC’s allies in Washington had access to the non-redacted report. An entire administration, leaders in congress and the Pentagon, the CIA, NSA and a dozen other organizations, all knew what was in the congressional report. They all lied to the 9/11 Commission. They all ordered measures to suppress freedom at home and to butcher hundreds of thousands around the world, kidnap and torture thousand more, all based on lies.
Countries were virtually wiped off the map on a whim. Often we hear it asked, “How could thousands be involved in a conspiracy so heinous?” We now stand ready to answer. The time has come to ask.
http://theunhivedmind.com/wordpress3/2013/12/30/aipac-suppresses-report-...
You boys are holding up the bus.
And still the perpetrators are free. They enjoy croissant and get a massage. They teach their children as though their values are sound, and clip coupons, drive in the park, and wack off to snuff porn.
Manhattan Project
Thanks for playing!
amazing physics, architecture, and aeronautics in that criticism
no doubt you've had intercourse with the deranged, as it's all but inescapable for those unfortunates what rode the short-bus to school. i don't care what they told you in those 'special' classes, your deficiencies, inadequacies and slow-wittedness DO NOT entitle you to 'special' status. especially not here on Fight Club.
i am also under no illusions as to your weakness...but, wjunk, this isn't one of those problems that can be addressed through identification/admission and the following of another 11 successive steps. you were born weak, you will long remain weak, and to decrepitude and weakness you will someday succumb.
assuming you've 'tuned out' what janus has so far said, here is something potentially useful for ya: you suck. add that to your weakness and a fuller picture is beginning to emerge.
i just love it when low-wattage wusses bay for approval from within the folds of their flock...it's likewise amusing when these self-same weaklings and cud-chewing beasts attempt to understand their superiors through arm-chair psychological diagnoses...a subject for which they have an even frailer understanding.
look, wjunk, the sheepdog can't protect you forever...it's either the farmer or the wolf -- either way, you've demonstrated yourself to be a lamb-chop in sheep's clothing.
i'm gettin hungry...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxW0n5Fe5CY
hungry like the wolf,
janus
So if I start the conversation about 9/11 conspiracy and toss in the part about pimping your wife somehwere in the middle, we're good? 'Cause, you know, you been informed.
I find 9/11 very disturbing. I worry about PCR and his "9/11 drivel." The problem in a nuthshell is why WTC 7 fell at all. If what the experts say about it coming down at free fall speed is accurate, then there is a real problem on top of the thing having collpased in the first place. I assume that it did fall at free fall speed. That is too easy to refute to have those skeptics make the assertion or persist with their line of thinking.
Sooooo - I tend to buy the government's story when it comes to 9/11. But then I see WTC 7 falling and wonder who is the fool. Disturbing. Something ain't right about WTC 7. Something in addition to Larry Silverstein.
OBTW: Jim Rickards is making the tour selling his new book. The first few chapters are all about all of the puts purchased on the airlines a couple days before the attacks.
The National institute of Science and Technology which was charged with investigating the tower 'collapses' on 9/11 admitted in their Final Report that 7 World Trade came down in absolute free fall for 2.25 seconds which is apprx. 8 stories.
It's NOT expert conjecture, but published fact.
trades a week prior to the Tsunami pointing to insider trading
just before the 45min mark... Catherine Austin Fitts
https://solari.com/blog/breakaway-civilization-part-1-with-dr-joseph-far...
What a bitch
America will have to live like the rest of the world
Yep, in fear of American government.
The dollar is not the only "bad currency" so if other major currencies drop as well the way all this unfolds would change. Never before has mankind diverted such a large percentage of wealth into intangible products or goods and made the claim this is the primary reason that inflation has not raised its ugly head. Bottom-line much of what happens in our economic future depends on inflation or deflation. The modern economy that has evolved over the last several decades is loaded with interwoven contracts reeking of contagion. I contend that if faith drops in these intangible "promises" and money suddenly flows into tangible goods seeking a safe haven inflation will soar.
Like many of those who study the economy I worry about the massive debt being accumulated by governments and the rate that central banks have expanded the money supply. The timetable on which events unfold is often quite uneven and this fact supports the possibility of the following bizarre scenario. A key issue is one of timing. If the price of gas jumps to $8 a gallon overnight do you buy gas and not make your car payment? Answer, it could be months before your car is repossessed so you buy gas. It is important to remember that debts can go unpaid and promises be left unfilled. The article below delves into how and why inflation may bring economic chaos.
http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/04/inflation-seed-of-economic-chaos....
ALL fiat dies: average lifespan 41 years
ALL empires collapse
ALL systems fail
Our economic model is based on perpetual growth, which is being practiced on a finite planet.
All those military weapons WILL be used.
Enjoy the popcorn...
too many mice inside cage running out of food and water. ah lets fuck one last time honey..
These events may not have manifested themselves in exactly this way, but the collapse was going to happen regardless. I believe people knew this and have tried to manuver the US into the best possible position, discounting the fact that these leaders have shit all over their people.
It was going to be a clusterfuck anyway. Hopefully the heads up is enough.
Yes, pretty much what I've been saying.
If you've got everything under control then most of this wouldn't have been necessary. Clearly, control is being lost (figure oil being the key) and we're seeing the results of desperate actions, "desperate" not to be confused with "dumb."
We'll measure this homer when it lands.
What we know is, there is no lie too great, no cost too high, no life too precious to prevent our leaders from doing what is always in our best interest. No Limits and No Accountabillity. All definitions are pointless beyond this point.
We had to destroy the Nation in order to save it.
saving ryan on the beaches of normandy would be a start to get a pic of future...
5/5
Cogent and lucid PCR. We need is a referendum here, during the mid-term elections... to remove our consent to be governed by corrupt red team / blue team whores.
I feel like up-arrowing you, but I'm conflicted about endorsing any notion that suggests that we ask the system permission...
Just keep it simple and to the point:
"remove our consent to be governed"
Okay. You lost me on this piece. I have respected the info coming out of Xero Hedge, and I am not a fan of big government, but I do not buy that 9/11 was an inside job. This piece is out of character and tin foil hat compromising b.s.
Are you new here? The Xero Hedge bit is a big red flag for me.
"High IQ, low ranking citizen."
"5 weeks 5 days"
yellencrash
Come on now. The only possible explanation is that we are being abducted by space aliens while we sleep and they are "doing things" to us.
Fair enough. Put aside the buildings rigged with explosives, the airline puts, the guys who flew jumbo jets into the pentagon with laser-like precision with only flight simulator training and many other anomolies and improbabilities. I myself have serious doubts about the official version but I also don't put much faith in the "truther" narrative either. But this one nagging question simply never relents:
We're conducting a drill for just such an eventuality on 9/11/2001 and our attackers just happen, oh so coincidentally, to attack us on the very date that said exercises are being conducted. Just let that wash over you for a minute. We were conducting drills aimed at preventing jetliners from flying into Lower Manhattan at the VERY moment jetliners were being flown into the WTC. Fighter jets weren't scrambled and those ATCs who noticed jets deviating from flight paths were lead to believe they were mere training props. Sorry, that's the most improbable heap of bullshit foisted upon us yet. Building rigged with explosives? Nah. Were these guys essentially permitted to hijack planes and fly them into the WTC and Pentagon? You think these sociopaths WOULDN'T do that for let's say $5 trillion in MIC spending? Wake up......
Why do you think they actually hijacked AND flew the planes? Ever heard of remote controlled airplanes. They are very popular in Pakistan but they call them drones over there.
Something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRtqQLMAZek - which was made BEFORE 9-11.
Boeing actually has a patent for such a system.
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/diagrams-boeing-patents-anti-terrorism-auto-land-system-for-hijacked-210869/
Remote controlled aircraft have been used by the USAF since the late 1940's (for targets, drones, testing, etc).
"...but I also don't put much faith in the "truther" narrative either."
There is no single "truther narrative", but there is a mountain of evidence that the official narrative is complete hokum.
The absolute free fall of WTC 7 for 2.25+ seconds and the fact that WTC 1 fell and never decelerated (always accelerating at about 2/3 of free fall) through some 6 or more floors of measurable collision is proof of demolition.
There will be NO COLLAPSE! Sorry to burst your bubble, however this charade has NO END. almost 7 Years later, and all of my visions of collapse were nothing but masturbations of my little feeble mind. We will never know what goes on behind the closed door of the Elite. 2,000 years from now, they'll still be marvelling at how this whole Clusterfuck is still in operation. Nothing will change, only the gene pool of the current fucktards in charge. I'm sure there will be some Clinton-Bush progeny running for office after the worms are crawling in and out of every orifice in our rotting corpses. Hopefully Durden will have a spawn to carry on here at Zero Hedge.
It's bedtime, I'm tired, and all is well. The PPT and Goldman will have it worked out (to their advantage) by the opening bell. And we'll all be back here marvelling about it this time tomorrow evening.
Rome didn't fall in a day, either.
It's a good point. The Sword of Damocles can only hang for so long until it's viewed with derision.
Ya know, my guts tell me that the Cliven Bundy rancher scenario is significant. Things seem to be coalescing there.
db51-
I'm here every day, but rarely login, or comment.
Had to today, as your comment is so spot-on I can hardly contain myself.
Thank you for describing your point better than I could myself.
Back to sleep.
Back to sleep.
Back to sleep.
OT: Sorry Mr Roberts, a bit of an essay here, but I think it is important to get a few things straight about what's occurred, with regard to the MH370 search, for some regional context. So I'll put it here, given there's no better active thread for placing it in.
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Question: How probable is it the RAN ship "Ocean Shield" stumbled on the MH370 pinger?
Ocean Shield' trawl-tows a dedicated hydrophone and on 9th of April Angus Houston divulged that the detection range of the dedicated hydrophone on Ocean Shield has a range of detection about 6 times longer than the nominal range of the pinger claimed by their manufacturer of about 2.5 nm [presumably compared to some standard omnidirectional hydrophone]. A RAN Commodore also offered that the hydrophone was being towed less than 1,000 m from the bottom.
That equates to a viable range radius of 15 nm either side of the search track. This is a much larger detection footprint than anyone had expected. Basically the underside of the towed apparatus is designed to reflect and 'focus' the ambient sound waves rising from the bottom and either side of its transect and thus directs them into the hydrophone's sensor aperture situated between the supporting yellow 'wings'. The visual waterfall display is also tuned and filtered to a specific frequency range and thus 'clutter' is removed from the display and false-positives basically eliminated. Plus all the data is logged and can be reanalyzed in quantitative detail.
That sensor almost certainly contains a secondary direction-finding capacity as well, to determine a rough relative bearing to the emitted source. Plus there will be the ability to estimate distance to the source based on the water's physical properties and received signal amplitude. To determine the precise water properties they will sink a sensor to the bottom to measure the entire water column, and that will inform Ocean Shield and the audio software of any refractive audio bending or reflective layers. Such a sensor can use an underwater digital modem datalink that emits audio bursts to transmit its sensor telemetry that is picked up by the ships own hull array and its own two-way audio digital datalink. This underwater encrypted datalink technology was first developed in Australia and is now also used on US submarines and sensor arrays and even UUV drones and weapons so that these can all remain in contact with surface ships and even remaining in contact with aircraft and satellites, via comms relay buoys. Such a water column sensor can likewise be recovered via deploying a float bladder once on the bottom (so can remeasure during its rise).
The point is that using such sensors and comms, and the associated UUV mobility tech's hydrophones and imaging sonar systems, Ocean Shield can refine the localization of the emitter very quickly (I'm confident it already has).
So let's accept it hears ~15 nm either side of the hydrophone's transect swathe. The ship is moving no faster than ~5 knots with respect to the bottom terrain and the initial signal contact was held for two hours and 20 mins, suggesting the ship traveled up to 12 nm during that time.
But look at the dates:
So the ship had been in transit from Perth to the search zone, 1,680 km NW of Perth, since the 31st of March, and arrived "on station" some time during the morning of Saturday the 5th of April, and then lowered its hydrophone for the first time. The ludicrously miraculous fact here is that first detection of a pinger signal, as reported by Houston during his 9th of April media report, occurred at 4:45 PM on the 5th of April
i.e. The very same day they 'arrived', they also 'found' it!
Kinda supa-dupa lucky, no?
Note also that on the night that Ocean Shield left Perth and began steaming NW the actual search area on the next day was a vast N-S oriented rectangle that was centered ~2,100 km West of Perth, but Ocean Shield did not go anywhere near it, instead it went NW into a completely different area that was around 1,500 km further north! But the official search area was incremental redefined and moved northward to cover the Ocean Shield's NW movements so that it would not look too obvious to everyone that Ocean Shield was not heading towards an active search area at any point. It was going somewhere else.
Clearly Ocean Shield had no intent, at any point, of searching in those other areas and was not at any point heading toward them in any serious way, they already knew where they were going to go to begin the initial towed hydrophone 'search'. NW to an area that up to that point no one was even near or looking in.
And as soon as Ocean Shield 'arrived' at where it always intended to go and finally lowered its hydrophone and ran any calibration checks needed using sonobuoy sensor data of the water-column down to the very bottom and were satisfied all was good-to-go ...
and ... PRESTO!
Almost immediately they detected the pinger's signal and held it for 2 hours and 20 minutes.
So one whole week of rapidly steaming NW to the northern most extremity of what was not even the search area, and not even anywhere near it (well, not until it finally got there, and it was then made the search area) then they just happened to plop it down on top of the pinger-locater-emitter's position.
yeah ... riiiiiiight! ... obviously chance was not a factor in that heroic 'search' effort charade.
So there can be no remaining doubt whatsoever that the Australian military knew precisely where the aircraft was the whole time. This precise position accuracy was almost certainly a combination of JORN radar track data, plus a passive deep ocean hydrophone network which would have supplied several bearing lines to a series of loud low-mid frequency transient 'thumps' and rumbles caused by the engines and fuselage striking the ocean bottom sediments.
The joint Australian navy and USN Harold E Holt ELF submarine comms and listening station is only ~1,000 km due east of the crash site, and would have detected and recorded such a 'thud', and a bearing of arrival from its source. It was probably also heard via similar sensor arrays offshore from Fremantle. So the Navy and air force were certainly aware of where it ended up.
I said very early on that if it came southwards then JORN and thus Canberra would know where it went, and clearly they did know. And that's why Tony Abbot went out on a limb so far on the 19th of March, to say that if it was out there, they would find it. He already knew where it was down to within say maybe 10 nautical miles radius and he'd probably known that within hours of the crash. So he knew it was going to be miraculously 'found' by the RAN. So by at least the 18th of March the security cabinet in Canberra had decided to go ahead and 'find' it for everyone, but at the last moment, and attempt to pretend that it was just a fluke find.
And they're still trying to build-up that pretense, but obviously no military analyst is going to be fooled by any of that, hundreds of specialists and analysts will have noticed by now, so they really can't expect to disguise that they knew. I think mostly they don't want how they knew to become the issue, because they can not and will not talk about any of that, it is thoroughly illegal to talk about any of those classified technologies and methods. But open-source info tells us enough to grasp how they knew it.
Another give-away to this charade was that the RAN Commodore said at the press briefing on the 9th of April, that as soon as MH370 was reported missing, the RAAF had immediately begun modifying the audio processors on its hydrophone sonobuoy processors to detect a black-box pinger.
Now why would they have done that, from the very same day that it went missing?
It's simple, they did it then because the RAAF had already watched MH370's track via JORN and had seen it 'disappear' into the ocean. So they knew they were going to need the sonobuoys to localize where it was. Plus they would have immediately gone back through the JORN data log from that night to find out where that disappeared contact aircraft had originated from, and would have known down to within seconds when it took off, and from exactly which airport (yup JORN sees and logs every flight and ship movement within South East Asia), so they would have within minutes of disappearance from radar over the Indian ocean realized it was an airliner, with call-sign 'MH370'.
So there was never any mystery about its disappearance as Canberra knew the whole time, to within a few miles radius of where it was. They most likely informed the US soon after. Indeed the US has access to data gathered by Australian sensors like JORN in the same way Australia has access to US sensor arrays and data networks. Allied intelligence sharing at that level is routine. So Washington has known all along as well, and thus the US naval specialists are on Ocean Shield as well.
But to spell it out in quite obvious terms how precise the Australian tracking plot was, and how exactly the site was located (in something under ~17 hours of 'searching'), from as early as midnight on the 5th of April, to 4:45 PM on the 5th of April, when first contact was made:
For example; 5 kt/hr for 17 hours = 85 nm of swathe transect length.
That's the maximum total search distance Ocean Shield had traveled with the hydrophone before the detection was made. In reality it was almost certainly considerably less than 85 nm of transect, because the ship had to arrive and lower the hydrophone and test it before beginning and that takes many hours away from the potential 17 available on that first day of 'searching'. But lest assume it was 85 nm, then the potential swathe footprint area was up to 15 nm radius, or 30 nm circumference, so;
85 nm x 30 nm = 2,550 square nautical miles of maximum potential hydrophone footprint on the 5th of April 2014.
That's all the area that it took for Ocean Shield to miraculously stumble upon the pinger. But the actual search area covered by Ocean Shield before finding the pinger was probably no more than ~1,000 square nm.
For contrast the land area of the city of New York is 265 square nautical miles, so Ocean Shield had then 'searched' an area about the size of four New Yorks, by the time it miraculously 'found' the pinger.
For further contrast the Indian Ocean's total area is 21,400,000 square nautical miles, or 14 % of Earth's surface and ~80,754 New York city areas.
The declared search zone area, on that day of "arrival on station" on the 5th of April 2014, was 117,170 square nautical miles, or ~442 New York cities.
Thus Ocean Shield had searched at the very most a total of 2.2% (2,550 square nm) of the assigned search area on that day, before it made its initial (and longest) contact with the pinger signal. And that was equal to ~0.0047% of the Indian Ocean Basin's area.
So the very suggestion that Ocean Shield 'got lucky', is obviously complete bullcrap.
They didn't 'find' it, because it was never 'lost', the ADF knew exactly where it went down, they only had to define the exact location where it came to rest on the bottom. So there can be no question that the Australian military, and thus Canberra, and thus PM Abbot knew where MH370 was within hours of it going in the water. Let's not forget too that this just happened to occur on day-30 of the pinger's designed 30-days of assured operational life. Yup, always darkest before the dawn (and nice bit of melodrama there fellas).
So ... why all the bullcrap then given the ADF obviously knew where it was the whole time?
What MH370 (more) fully revealed is something the ADF has always avoided talking about, namely its long-range sensors and comms arrays and its routine detailed whole-of-region monitoring, which is clearly extraordinarily detailed, precise and proficient.
But more significantly, if China's military ever had any doubts about how good the Australian, and thus US military coverage is of the eastern Indian Ocean, Southern Ocean and the western Pacific, such doubts will now have been removed. They now understand that when Ocean Shield left port, instead of steaming to the THEN search area, 2,100 km west of Perth, it instead steamed 1,700 km NW, directly to the real crash site.
And to cover this fact (to the media) they had to keep moving the search area (progressively) northwards to cover and coincide with Ocean Shield's strange NW heading, away from all search areas (which the Chinese navy would have observed via satellite). They had to move the search area NE to make the NW movement of Ocean Shield look less obvious and peculiar. Apparently the Chinese navy had noticed Ocean Shield was making a bee-line for somewhere other than the search area and maybe guessed the ADF knew much more than it was letting on. So the Chinese ships also began to move north. During that whole period the experts and officials kept saying stuff like, "This is not even a search for a needle in a haystack because they hadn't even found the haystack yet", etc.
OK, so the Chinese ships are coming north. How do we slow or stop them from observing and hearing the Ocean Shield is doing (using whatever military technologies they don't want to show the PLAN)?
Gee ... what to do ... hmm, ... let's see ... say! ... What if we got a sub or an AP-3C to drop and active emitter to temporarily emit an intermittent weak signal that sounds quite a lot like a black-box pinger, but is a bit different?
Yup, that should keep the Chinese converging south of the Ocean Shield, while it completes its faux 'search'. And there were several complaints at that time on Australian media saying that the Chinese ships and aircraft seemed to be running their own search, following their contacts and simply ignoring what the other searchers were doing.
Thus it did keep the Chinese down south, and now Houston had the perfect pretext to keep them out of the area of Ocean Shield. On the 8th of April Angus Houston said very explicitly to the international media that no other ship was welcome in the area of Ocean Shield. He was adamant that it must be left alone to "do its thing". The next day he said it was to keep acoustic noise interference to a minimum.
So now the Chinese search fleet realizes the ADF was distracting them south for the last few weeks and days to keep them away from Ocean Shield's intended destination and work area. And said that the other ships and aircraft were now needed to search for drifting wreckage in another separate area well to the west, an entirely new area defined by new 'drift model' analysis. The center of that search area center lies 2280 kilometers north west of Perth and about 650 km west of Ocean Shield.
OK, now let's look at the logic of that. Does it make any sense given that we've established that the ADF absolutely did know where the aircraft crashed, from the very beginning, and just steamed right up to it and plonked the hydrophone almost directly on top of it the very first time they lowered it?
Why then did they have all these ships and aircraft being directed to look for wreckage between 1,500 and 2,500 km further SW, for all of the preceding two weeks, when the ADF already knew where the actual wreckage was on the bottom, thus also knew where the surface drift wreckage would really be found ... FOR ALL OF THE PRIOR 2-WEEK PERIOD?
There is a possible answer for this. If the ADF already knew that the aircraft had slowed-down to ditch, much like the A320 Airbus that ditched into the Hudson River, in New York, a few years back. i.e. that jet stayed together almost completely and only slowly filled with water and sank almost intact. But everyone assumes that the jet must have slammed into the water, and will thus be in thousands of pieces. But what if it ditched at low speed and was held straight and was thus only lightly undamaged (just engines torn off their mounts, like in the New York example)? We know that's possible as US Airways Flight 1549 proved it but only if the water is smooth enough and the jet was kept straight as it decelerated. Even the digital autopilot can do that, if the aircraft is configured for it.
In which case there would be almost no floating wreckage. If so, how would or could the ADF possibly know already that the jet had slowed down and ditched, and then floated for some time, and then sank gradually and 'glided' itself to the ocean's bottom, rather than broke-up and sank vertically?
The interesting thing about JORN is that it was upgraded in several program phases (from about ten years back) that were intended to develop the capability to actually detect and track small wooden-hull vessels on the open ocean at thousands of kilometers range so that a HALE drone fleet could then check out any suspicious vessels trying to sneak into the area. The ADF now denies that the capability was developed or was feasible (which I personally doubt given they were very confident at the time that they could achieve it with existing technology, and said so openly within the open-source program upgrade documents, plus have now decided to go ahead with the drone acquisitions, which were announced just last month btw).
But we're talking about a large and highly-reflective metal 777 floating on the ocean surface for maybe several minutes to an hour or so.
The other thing is that all international flights submit international flight plans, and the ADF can check these and would definitely know if a jet aircraft from South East Asia was flying around the north western flank of JORN's coverage in that sort of direction, but had no flight plan lodged for it. That would set off software alarms and draw much attention to the aircraft's extremely odd flight path behavior from its logged track (of the past few hours). That is a path that no aircraft ever takes unless it's a military patrol or recon flight. At which point the emission output of a part of the western JORN array can be increased and focused on to a specific area of that contact, to get the best illumination and resolution on it and watch it.
So the ADF will have a continuous log of the precise ground speed of the jet, plus its prior logged tracking, to show the airport of origin and the exact time it became airborne. So from that the ADF will within minutes have identified what aircraft it was that took off at that time from that particular airport. They probably logged recordings of the pilots talking to Malaysian ATC as well as they routinely scan and record every bit of that as well. So if they had that recorded they would also know from the clearance information for that flight how many people were on board, so had a good idea of its weight and fuel load to its planned destination.
Thus they'd know and could expect to know its flight performance range at that weight and with that fuel. JORN's operated by the RAAF, so they will certainly have done all of that, at the time, as a routine part of their analysis of any airborne contact of interest.
Thus once they saw that it was an airliner full of people that had gone completely off its lodged flight plan they'd have watched it extremely closely.
So they would already have known the aircraft's flight number, aircraft's type, its performance envelope as loaded and would know its landing approach speeds and its stall-speed range at that weight, and its potential range. In fact the monitoring and tracking software would have predicted that contact was going crash into the ocean long, hours before it did. So RAAF would have been highly alerted even before it went down.
And they would see if it slowed down at all to landing approach speeds, in order to deliberately ditch on the ocean, that morning. And JORN will also have see if it suddenly stopped and just sat in one location (i.e. on the surface of the water) for a time and then gradually faded and disappeared (slowly sank).
So they'd scramble an AP-3C Orion to have a look to see if there's survivors and debris, and the AP-3C was most probably launched before the jet hit the water. If they find no wreckage, within say 48 hours, they'd know that it had ditched and then sank largely intact, most probably without visible survivors detected (or else they would have dropped life rafts down to them right away).
They would also know that the ELT Emergency Location Transmitter had not been activated, and that an emergency had not been declared with ATC. An yet it had flown way off course and then deliberately and carefully ditched, but without survivors, almost all of whom were ... Chinese.
So at that point the ADF would have been extremely interested in the question of - WHY?
But they were also completely unable to tell anyone about it all, due to the nature of these classified military monitoring sensor systems. But they could tell the US what happened because the US already had the clearance and access to all of this technology. So I think we could suggest that the RAAF already knew there was no floating debris to find from the jet's going into the water.
Well, at least I can't think of another reason why the ADF would not have had the aircraft and ships looking in the right areas all along, unless the RAAF already knew there was nothing there to find, in the correct areas. They'd probably spent a week looking for it in the correct place long before anyone suddenly got interested in the southern track, as a possibility.
But given they now will have China's best blue water naval units coming in to have a look for the wreckage, but only the ADF knows where such wreckage really should be ... but isn't there ... what do you do about that?
You have to give them something to look for and keep them away from the real crash site, until you can get out there with the right ship, and the appropriate technology that you need to locate it, observe it, and figure out what was really going on with it, and try to recover it. So the Australian navy will stay above the wreck and will remain in charge of its recovery to make sure nothing is missed. Now that's speculation but it fits why the ships were searching for wreckage where the ADF already knew wasn't to be found.
It also explains why the RAAF decided to immediately begin modifying the programming their acoustic processors to specifically detect a black-box pinger, using the AP-3C Orion's sonobuoy hydrophone sensors (which were used successfully on the 10th of April, and did detect the pinger signal). Those are normally programmed to detect and localize particular very-quiet subs. So a RAN Commodore had told everyone, on the 9th of April, that the RAAF had begun doing this work on these sonobuoys, literally within hours of MH370 being declared missing!
For example:
Why? What made them decide to do the modifications of the audio processors when absolutely no one was (yet) talking about the jet ending up in the Indian ocean depths, at that point, but were looking at a shallow littoral, near Vietnam, where there was little call for or reason to use Australian navy sonobuoys?
It's because RAAF already knew they were going to be needed, it already saw the jet ditch on the ocean and sink, so the RAAF were going to need the hydrophones to localize the signals before the pinger died, especially if the wings were still on the jet as it sank, because it could then have 'glided' underwater for some distance, from where it went in (rather than dropped vertically). And I suspect these sonobuoys had already been used before Ocean Shield "arrived on station". If the aircraft sank slowly but remained mostly intact and thus fairly buoyant, it would have taken a lot longer to get to the bottom and thus moved a lot further from where it went down as the empty fuel tanks can add buoyancy and lead to slower sink rate. So they do still have to locate it, even though they know where it went in.
In which case it would 'crash' a second time onto the ocean bottom. But the RAN also said that the bottom in that area was covered with thick 'silt'. The 'silt' is deposited as a calcareous foraminifera 'ooze' that's laid down by dead plankton skeletons falling (at a very, very slow rate, typically ~2 centimeters per thousand years is normal for the open ocean) on to the bottom, where it eventually buries itself via its own weight, and turns into rock as it's buried deeper and deeper, over millions of years. So the top of the sediment pile remains soft, and is often referred to as deep ocean 'ooze', as it chemically turns into a thick supersaturated carbonate 'gel'. In which case the jet probably had a cushioned landing impact on the ocean floor's 'silt' ooze, so still stayed largely intact. So still no wreckage comes to the surface (and I'll be interested to see if it did remain intact or in large pieces which would be consistent with a controlled low speed ditching).
However, the engines probably did tear off and thus would hit the bottom, vertically, soon after the jet went into the water. And thus a loud thud transient would be detectable on LF passive sonar, and the bearing recorded to this.
The other point to note, which I'm sure has not escaped the Chinese fleet's notice, is that Air Vice Marshall Angus Houston was selected only 11 days ago (the day before Ocean Shield departed Perth) as the coordinator and spokesman of the Australian search operations because he's both experienced in SAR and a former Chief of the ADF until July 2011. So he knows all of the long-range sensor systems involved in detecting MH370's actual crash site. So knows best how to coordinate and communicate about the search effort to the media and to govts, to make it at least appear that the Ocean Shield just happened to get very lucky at the very last moment of the battery's life.
He just happens to also be the perfect man to deflect all questions about how the ADF quite obviously knew where to look for the jet (most of the media still have not worked that out), and we are yet to see that sort of questioning, but soon will.
http://www.jacc.gov.au/
His secondary role is apparently to also try to make it look less obvious that the military already knew where the jet went down, and in fairness that was a non-viable task. It was inevitable people would realize the ADF and therefore Canberra, and therefore Tony Abbot, had known where the jet was all along. They had tried to avoid the fact they knew, also to avoid questions of how they knew but at some point Canberra had accepted that it had to send the navy out there and say;
... and so on.
It's a show of rectitude, as needed, to string it out for as long as they can, and pretend to the media there's some heroic uncertainty about this being the MH370 "final resting site".
So the ADF has made its best effort to hide this (from a potentially hostile military observing it), and that it is routinely monitoring everything which moves or emits within South East Asia and the eastern Indian Ocean (as well as most of the Western Pacific and Southern ocean). But MH370's crash in that location makes it impossible to hide that they know. The reason they want to hide it is it can put a potential adversary on-guard, making it more difficult to detect and potentially target them or for specific continuous historical track plots of vessels or aircraft to be analyzed for patrol patterns and operational routines or habits. The logged track data tells you much of what the other side can do, and what it can't do, and what constitutes unusual activities.
But! Australia also needs to know what happened to MH370 as much as Malaysia needs to know it. Plus the Chinese govt interest is very high. So Australia had to somehow point-out where the jet really ended up. So every military in the region now knows the RAN knew where it was all along. They also know Australia is seeing everything, in the air, on the surface, or under the surface.
So this had been an intelligence coup for many regional states, in terms of uncovering and better understanding the scale and range of Australia's sensing capability and the scope and detail of the continuous regional monitoring.
And that is of course essential, when you have 23.5 million people over a whole continent. The only reason why that is even possible today is precisely because we can control all of the approaches, and sink or shoot-down anything in those approaches. It's pretty basic. So as China rises and continues to menace regional states with its territorial claims the ADF's capability will quietly extend and increase much further.
And basically all of ASEAN will welcome that if it helps to deter China and maintain regional strategic stability.
In that context Malaysia will more-or-less understand it, though the PLAN will be quietly very annoyed, because the ADF has of course deliberately withheld critical information from them and used deception in depth. Which is of course the Art of War and they know all about that sort of trick. But they can not deny that the RAN has in fact pointed out where the jet really is. Thus they can't really protest in any public way without looking foolish and ungrateful.
So Beijing and the PLAN must also remain quiet about it, even the media do not.
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So given all of the above I'll posit a possible explanatory speculation, based on this:
Cui Bono?
Who benefits the most, from this whole bizarre sequence, of still completely unexplained events, surrounding MH370's crash? There is a single explanation, that accounts for all of what we're seeing, but we just haven't hit on what it is yet. Clearly conventional thinking about aircraft in terms of a takeover, or the usual crash processes and odes, doesn't fit the circumstances.
This is something else, something we've not seen before. But what?
Perhaps instrumental data and voice recordings plus the wreckage, if recovered, can provide insights to a novel and innocent explanation, for all of it. Or maybe it won't and the mystery more-or-less remains, indefinitely.
So in lieu of that evidence I'll offer a tentative possibility that's not been voiced so far, simply to air-it out as another distinct possibility that should be checked. I don't presume it's true, but I do consider it a horrible and cynical possibility.
Take all of the above together plus the five week long context and it raises an interesting question, purely from an intelligence gathering perspective. Namely, was MH370's flight path and apparent ditching into that particular location, intended to elicit a joint civil and military response from Australia, and the US, specifically to allow a foreign power to observe and gauge the long-range sensor capabilities, their type, and the detection performance and coverage footprint and the response/reaction times and actions taken, especially naval capability and proficiency to test the RAAF and RAN out, and the USN capacities? For example;
"Wot say we just toss an airliner full of Chinese persons into the ocean in that location in a way that Australia and the US simply can't possibly ignore or resist looking for, and let's see if they do see it, and if they can find it, and if so, how long it takes, an what sensors and tools they use?"
What if it had been determined by some unnamed government and its unnamed military intelligence agencies that it was imperative to determine what Australia and the US could detect and locate with precision within that part of the central and north-eastern Indian ocean, south of the Malacca Strait and Sunda Strait trade and naval movement choke-points?
i.e. what could an ANZUS alliance really do if some unnamed aggressive country tried to take contested territory in an unspecified nearby area?
Because you do actually need to understand this if you wanted a viable and survivable combat force-structure which can operate and successfully fight a battle in that region, at some future point. So you do need to gauge how good the allied ANZUS information-dominance would be in that particular area and how to go about circumventing, degrading or defeating it.
So could it be that this bizarre flight path of MH370 was the result of an intelligence-gathering operation designed to test the monitoring, detection and localization for targeting capabilities, within that area? Would a government be so 'utilitarian' in its method of finding that out, to determine if there was a surveillance and targeting coverage gap within that area?
Well it's now fairly clear there isn't a gap, the monitoring, localization and targeting ability is incredibly well-developed already.
And given the numerous covert actions and operations that we know government agencies in both the West and East have engaged in, is it unjustified to suggest that some agency of Govt may have been tasked with devising an operation to ascertain this information, given it's the site of a major military power-projection build-up, between now and 2020, and a potential major air-sea conflict zone?
Because that sort of speculation potentially explains a lot of what we see.
And let's not forget that this bizarre 'event' gave the Chinese PLAN fleet an almost perfect and irresistible pretext to move into this area with its nascent blue-water naval forces in a way that it's never done before, and would generally not do so at any other time due to its very provocative and counterproductive nature. Plus it all comes just two months after this 'event', another unprecedented Chinese naval movement within the south of Indonesia regional approaches to Australia:
And this is also happening, this week:
So ... I'll ask again:
Cui Bono?
Did Australian and US intelligence entertain the possibility that this might be a military intelligence gathering operation once they saw where this jet (full of Chinese citizens, and a few Australians) had ended up, so decided to keep the Chinese fleet at arm's length until they knew more about it? And now there's egg on the Chinese navy's face, because it's clear the ADF was guarding its interests and assets and was keeping the Chinese ships well clear of the real crash site until it could be more fully examined by the RAN, probably due to such suspicions.
Plus the English-speaking press went to some lengths to make sure everyone fully understood that Malaysia was legally responsible and would be in-charge of any formal investigation, thus making sure China has no legal grounds to interfere or to coerce and intimidate them.
Because there does remain this distinct possibility that this is something more menacing, and the ADF and Canberra and the US will likewise want to find out exactly why this jet headed into that area and crashed in such a curious way which has forced Canberra to almost reveal closely-guarded military capability secrets. Hopefully the jet is almost intact as then we might find out what really happened with it. I strongly suspect Australia and the US will be looking carefully for any indications that it was done by a State, given that nothing conventional seems to fit what has occurred thus far.
Because if it did turn out to be an intelligence gathering operation that deliberately resulted in a lot of dead Chinese, dead Australians, and dead Malaysian citizens ... this would be absolutely poisonous to international relations ... and can you imagine what the domestic Chinese effect might also be to such an operation.
So an extremely detailed and lengthy investigation will now be essential, to rule out that possibility, and I expect Canberra and Washington are not going to accept any interference in that investigation processes of any kind, until we fully understand what happened, and have fully explored why it happened.
Fascinating hypothesis. Thanks for putting the time into it and sharing.
Thanks for the post.
One other Cui Bono - All those Chinese passengers could have lured China's nascent blue water navy into Australia's backyard where they could be observed and China's detection capability guaged.
If that were so the RAN would not be steaming up to the pinger and pointing out where it is, they would be observing what the Chinese can do, and what they use. It seems to me we've learned nothing new at all about China's capabilities (except that they used hand-held hydrophones above the thermocline, at least for the sake of some video footage of them doing something) but they've learned a great deal about our tech and methods.
somebody is pushing something down off the page
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Excellent read!
Interesting article, but the future is impossible to predict and no one can say for certainty that any such scenario as indicated in this article will play out in 2014, despite signs of growing stress on the US and the current global balance of power. State relations have always been like this. In every age, people have been on the brink of conflict. Europe was like this for 1000 years due to their proximity to each other and now that the world has shrunk everyone is in each others faces. However, this has been continuing for some time and I find it difficult to buy a sell date.
Another thing that astounds me is that ZH'er seem to be almost eagerly awaiting an apocolypse. I agree that a cleansing of the current system is desired, but I also realize that when such a cleansing takes place it would be a very bad scenario for most of the world for a long time.
I would like to see a cleansing but I dont eagerly await the suffering of millions, because if this plays out like people here think it will, the people in power will just stand on our corpses while the dust settles and wait to implement the same bullshit again.
Death from life is the only certainty in this world, but one can easily calculate probabilities. US gov has foolishly painted itself into a corner from which the only means of whole escape is contrition and cooperation. Unfortunately, I think hubris won't allow US gov to have its come-to-Jesus moment until it is brought to its knees.
Pretty much everyone here is well-versed in US gov manipulations and machinations, the deceptions and double-dealings that it has used to further its agenda. Myself, I just want it all to be over. I have been waiting patiently for the web of lies to be exposed, for US gov to have its mask pulled off to reveal the villain that only its citizens can't see.
I am not a religious man, but there is redemption in the catharsis of confession. Millions have already died or are currently suffering due to US gov foreign policy, they might see relief from the severing of Medusa's head. The US has been exporting poverty and misery for many decades under the guise of Democracy and Capitalism, that the suffering will be turned inward is just settlement of account.
You nailed it 813...
Kidney's got stones!
the only reason to naked short gold lower is to buy more.
its foolish to believe sanctions work outside of rogue third world nations
if the dollar drops jobs come back to the US, i guess that hurts the 1%
washington is emerging as duplicitous? obama is still a shadow of bush (he said today he admired LBJ for passing the civil rights act - while MLK was not a supporter, he felt LBJ was using their hard work to pass legislation that would give him credit. and Obama is on board taking credit for what other people have accomplished, what the hell else does a politician do?
and deflation, as gold drops in price alongside the dollar just keep buying more, be patient the best is yet to come. a war with china and russia and no americans are willing to fight, jobs coming back to the us, the 1% on the run, the politicians thrown out in the street. damn i hate these apocalyptic scenarios (no not much)
Jobs are not some migratory birds to come back and go to based on currency values. Jobs result from long term investment. Long term investment capital is attracted to areas of high political and policy stability and good return on investment. When the US$ collapses, so will political stability and policy stability will be non-existent. No, jobs are not "coming back" to US.
Just checked and only 25 of you have voted on this article. I just voted it "awesome" and hope you will too. We should try to move this to first place and keep it there for a couple of days. PCR is spot-on and I hope he has a security detail.
A world war does mean the end of the US dollar. The Obama neocons idiots may believe the US can win one. Just look at the numbers, the radiation, the absolute and total destruction and you have to be insane to think you'll win.
Perhaps most of the world's PTB already know that a changing of the guard WILL occur?
I recall not too long ago comments from the US (military?) side about how China needs to step up and take part in the security of commerce, specifically oil: something about it profiting from the US's expenditures for this.
The US is likely to step back from having a big, visible presense, continuing to rely on the management of smaller strike forces (in all sorts of forms). And, if you are able to tap into EVERY information system then you don't exactly need a huge army: some of this concept can be seen in Element's [outstanding] post above about the downed Malaysian airliner.
TPTB really have no allegence to any flag, they just want to make sure that the neighborhood that they're living in is safe and quiet. Much of the jawboning is for the sake of internal focus. No, TPTB have no interest in wiping out all that they've "created." The threats are jsut a distraction, and I think that the US, China and Russia are on the same page on this.
You had me interested right up to the point where you dove off into the deep end of the 911 conspiracy abyss - a conpiracy theory isn't proof of a fact -and I refuse to believe, because belief is what you're really pushing here, that perhaps hundreds of citizens led by Cheney or Bush organized that epic tragedy and yet not one participant has come forward as a guilt-wracked witness.
Yep, lost me at the 911 conspiracy too, incredible that with all the hundreds of people involved at Government level, nobody has come forward.....come on!
On the rest, I notice no balance detailing all the good things the Us Government has done for the world, for example it has enabled it to perfect its drone strikes on terrorists, and drone attacks on wedding parties due to them traveling in a convoy are down 50% from last year, and of course there is Obama care, yay the good guys.
Incredulity is not an argument.
Evidence makes arguments.
www.ae911truth.org and David Chandler https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HNIIdpMhFg
It's a shame that four people seem to completely lack the ability to identify sarcasm.
Yep, you're lost alright. Interesting that the most guarded airspace in the world failed multiple times at multiple levels by multiple people and no one got fired.
Manhattan Project.
Now go away.
I had an hour to kill so I watched the first half of that italian show "zero." Probably 70% what I watched, their hypotheses weren't definitive enough to be proof. But some of the points raised were real eye-openers. I'll watch the secnd half later. Either way, aside from an annoying italian actor and one presenter who won't stop smiling, it was well worth watching.
The only other thing I've seen before was a Britsih tv reporter annoucing live that Building 7 had come down and there behind her is building 7. It didn't come down for another 25 minutes or so.
If one undstands statistics then it becomes VERY clear that the "official" story is impossible.
It's the smoke behind which they hide, create enough confusion and you get away scott-free. The "trap" is to lure people into trying to create new stories, when you control the meaningful mechanisms with which to broadcast such stories (or are able to create confusion), rather than just introducing the facts that show the "official" story to be false. Sigh, always the case, people don't know when to stop: good work in forensics gets clouded by trying to introduce some "solution" (we see it here time and time again with "solutions" to our ecoomic problems).
I wonder whether Lloyds of London could give the odds behind the "official" story being true/possible. For an outfit that has generated odds for Elvis returning to earth on a spaceship I'm kind of thinking that the "official" 9/11 story would be given FAR poorer odds.
I do understand statistics, probabilistic analysis of structural responses, thermodynamics, finite element analysis, penetration mechanics, and to me it's very clear that statistics, in this case, prove nothing. Correlation doesn't prove causation - if it did then you could probably prove that Elvis was behind 911.
Human nature points to the only conspiracy being that perpetrated by some islamic maniacs.
Pulitzer prizes await the journalist with the first solid piece of evidence supporting Cheney or Bush involvement, liberal politicians faced with a potential landslide defeat in 2014 would toss their sworn nondisclosure agreements into the fire-pit and launch an anti-Bush campaign as quickly as Iran would toss a nuke - if they had it. Your argument presupposes that all participants, their drinking buddies, their wives and mistresses (even the pissed off ones), politicians of both stripes, military members, and most of all Obama are keeping quiet on this particular assault on America when others have risked their lives to spill the holiest of holy secrets to the press - that is the impossibility.
Pulitzer prizes await the journalist.... you mean a "unexpected death"
Let's assume that you're correct, and that your last statment is a fact: Roberts being alive must then be proof that he is incorrect. And, if he knows the truth, and he's still alive does that make him part of the conspiracy?
Are you this dense in person?
You're confusing your own stupidity with "human nature," and, perhaps you've made your point...
There is information available:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=n_fp5kaVYhk
and here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU961SGps8g&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1t5anm6Uyo money trail
It's a big club.
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?g=wqK
Federal Debt: Total Public Debt
2013 Q4 $17,351,970,000,000
Quarterly, End of Period, Not Seasonally Adjusted, GFDEBTN, Updated: 2014-03-25 8:21 AM CDT
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?g=wvD
Effective Federal Funds Rate
2014-03: 0.08 percent
Monthly, Not Seasonally Adjusted, FEDFUNDS, Updated: 2014-04-07 3:51 PM CDT
The twitter account was an attempt to overthrow Cuba? Tyler are you saying that Cuba is a ligitimate regime? How about Nazi Germany or Apartheide South Africa? We have Radio Marti which is broadcasting information into Cuba. It is just like Radio Free Europe. Don't throw away the Cuban people. This Paul Craig Roberts sounds like someone from the Institute for Policy Studies.
"Don't throw away the Cuban people."
Are you Cuban?
Why do you want Americans to throw themselves away? Asking them to particiapte in the violation of their constitution is asking them to do just that!
Strap yourself up and go fight your own fucking wars.
Dear Mr. Paul Craig Robers,
One statment refutes all logic in the entire article.
If you make an argument and you have ONE logical fallacy, then the entire thing is garbage and to be ignored and discarded as all prior logical points are now suspect and all subsequent statements are non-logical nonsense with no support.
This is the failure point:
They did not. I have an open mind, I listened to critics similiar to you back in 2002 and since. So I watched the videos. 200+ times.
Not even close to free fall acceleration. Much slower. I timed it. I used frame counting analysis as well. You are just wrong and your statement is not reality-based.
Since this canard is repeated over and over by you and those who have similar opinions, there are but a few things one can say about your intellect.
1) You are lying.
2) You are too stupid to understand that you are wrong. (Dunning-Kruger).
3) You lack the ability to accurately observe and assay reality.
Nice reply leraconteur....big thumbs up.
Lead investigator at NIST Shyam Sunder has admitted "essentially free fall" on tape, troll.
You're losing, and it shows.
I am not a troll - I understand the maths involved and you don't.
Unfortunately you are the product of the high-self-esteem education system post-1980 and thus anything science based is merely 'opinion' to you and yours, whilst at the same time lacking any knowledge of science at all.
In Texas they note those who are "All hat and no cattle."
I'll go with that.
You're a lying sack, plain and simple.
Note your lack of science or maths - you are a pure example of the post-1980 education system. All self-esteen, no content.
Now mathematics is 'lying' and 'all hat no cattle'.
The fact is that you don't understand my argument, but insist upon retaining your position even though you are not intelligent enough to understand when you are proven wrong.
Dunning-Kruger, writ large.
Truther Conspiracy is just another rmanifestation of the anti-intellectualism that is rampant in society.
Let me get this straight.
You refute the entire article because your own analysis of one single point differs from one statement. Care to publish your own analysis so it can be refuted and, in turn, people will also call you a stupid, lying, deluded aparatchik?
The 911 movement has no narrative. It has simply exposed that the official narrative cannot possibly be true and demands a new investigation.
Given your recurring position on these threads you are either a paid disinfo or you are just doing it for the lulz. In which case you fashion yourself as a self-styled Zachary Zeck who wants to profits from the destruction of mankind, you have learnt to love your chains, or you are too stupid to understand you are wrong. (Where did I hear that before)?
Correct. If you make an argument and statement #5 is wrong, then it doesn't matter what you write or say after that - it's all garbage. That's how logic works. If you repeatedly make these errors (Truthers all do) - then it is logical to conclude you all have faulty thinking.
I have. I reposted it above and have done so hundred's of times in fora elsehere. It's not 'my own analysis' it's not opinion. It's maths. You should be able to do this, in fact you should have done this back in Sept 12th of 2001. Anyone with any education can do it - but you can't. You don't understand basic maths, physics or science - it's a common trait of all Truthers. I have found this to be a truism. You guys are pure Dunning-Kruger (Google it). You think anything anyone says is opinion. Such as 1+1=2.
Maths isn't my opinion or my analysis - it's fact.
Go do some reading and learn how to peform basic joule calculations, learn the specific heat of steel, mass per metre of an I-beam, mass of a floor of WTC 1 or 2, the stress tested level WTC 7 was designed to withstand, PE, KE, and all the rest.
Were you able to see the invisible plane that hit wtf 7 ?
As noted in prior comments, WTC7's collapse was measured at free-fall acceleration for 2.25 secs by NIST and 2.5 secs by David Chandler. At least one of the Twin Towers was measured to fall at about 2/3*g constant acceleration. David Chandler discusses the significance of these measurements, and it doesn't require much physics or math knowledge to follow his presentation. It's kind of long though (almost 2 hours).
9/11: The Best Physical Evidence of Explosives
In a previous article, PCR made an elementary math mistake, so mathematical precision is apparently not his forte. Nevertheless he's correct that the official explanation of what happened is absurd.
There used to be a series on The Discovery Channel, following a commercial demolition outfit called "CDI" (Controlled Demolition Inc), run by theLoizeaux Family, who went around preparing and then demolishing old buildings. No one who ever watched any of these shows could view the 9/11 videos and not immediately notice the similarities.
Controlled Demolition Inc. was apparently keen to have the WTC debris removed and disposed of as soon as possible and was able to come up with a detailed plan for doing so within eleven days of the collapse of the Twin Towers, suggesting that the company had detailed knowledge of the Twin Towers and the entire WTC complex prior to September 11th. Why? BTW, it was Controlled Demolitions that cleared up the Murray Building in Oklahoma City as well
You simply cannot observe reality, then.
So many differences - det cord flashes when ignited, the ignition sequence takes 15 to 30 seconds, then explosions follow, and then the building begins to fall.
All of this not present at WTC. Sound of floors impacing happened as the buildings fell not before, no 15 to 30 seconds of multiple explosions prior, no second or two of the building 'hanging in air' after the explosions, and on and on.
You just cannot think or see clearly.
WTC looked nothing like a controlled demolitoin, and YES I have witnessed one first hand.
Why the Appeal to Authority? He's wrong.
I d/l videos, counted frames, it's above what a free fall object would be. Any time above free fall speed indicates collapse not demolition.
Since you don't understand physics a reminder that any object that takes longer than free fall speed to fall is encountering resistance and that means conversion of mass and velocity into heat, frictoin and energy.
You assume, by the repeated statement of 'essentially free-fall' as though it is some relgious chant, that this 'is not supposed to happen'.
Well since none of you have displayed the abilty to add 1+1, your assumptions are based upon ignorance.
"Not even close to free fall acceleration. Much slower. I timed it. I used frame counting analysis as well. You are just wrong and your statement is not reality-based."
What, all that hard forensic work and you cannot give us YOUR numbers?
Fucking piker...
Here is my maths again, simple calculations and Excel, Calculus not necessary...
WTC 1 and 2 had enough energy in the buildings to do what happened - collapse WTC7 and crush most of the contents of WTC 1 and 2 to dust, as well as melt steel.
The energy was in the form of kinetic and potential stored energy. This energy was put into PE when the structures were built and materials raised to height.
288 million kgs (this is conservative, the mass of each may have been up to 400 mn kgs) potential energy of WTC1 or 2 is equivalent to 119+ tonnes to TNT.
The energy required to change steel from solid at 800C (1472F) to liquid is about 750,400 joules per kilogram. 1E12 / 7.5E5 = 1.3million kgs of steel that could have melted. I-beams are ~33kgs/metre. More than enough energy to melt a beam or two or 40kms of beams.
Kinetic Energy, KE= .5 * mass * (velocity)^2
Potential Energy, PE= mass * 9.81 * height in metres = m*g*h
The mass of each building with contents was 288 to 375 million kgs.
Summing the floors from high to low, adjusting for the bottom 30 floors as 'ground level' as that debris had to hit WTC 7, you get a total possible KE of about 5E11 joules. As an example floor 110 had 10,170,372,414 joules of stored PE. Just that one floor, in that one tower. That one floor was the equivalent of 2430kgs of TNT. Just that one floor!
Two towers, 1E12 joules.
TNT:
A gram of TNT releases 4100–4602 joules upon explosion.
The agreed upon average for this is 4184J
Now some basic maths:
1E12 / 4184 = 239,005,736 grams of TNT equivalent in both towers, using the stored PE in the floors of the buildings above floor 30.
239,005,736 grams of TNT equals 239,006 kgs, or 239 metric tonnes, 263 short tons, of TNT energy.
If you think that WTC 7 was designed to withstand a bomb blast of 2.4 tons of TNT, you are not thinking clearly - let alone one of 24 tonnes or 239 tonnes.
The event was equivalent to a small tactical nuke, and if you use any of the online nuke simulators at a .1 to .3kt yield the damage radius is just about what happened on that day. Detonating a .1kt nuke across the street from WTC 7 would cause a structure that close to collapse. Having WTC 1 or 2 collapse nearby had the same effect.
To observers and lurkers, take note.
Not ONE single post with maths to refute my post. This is what always happens - they just don't reply.
This is the issue - Truthers simply don't understand simple mathematics or they just refuse to use them in their arguments, instead relying upon their belief that 'I know something is wrong here'.
The maths here is grade 8 in North America, O-level in UK, it's what a 15 year old knows.
Well, except for Truthers...
Another fallacy I would like to point out is that there is no evidence of a jet wreckage at the Pentagon. What photos were truthers looking at? There is plane wreckage everywhere but do not cloud the issues with facts.
Donald, Donald Rumsfeld, is that you?
There is nothing to be done - they cannot understand how they are wrong.
One of them will post a photo of an interior cumbustion impeller, then a photo of the intake fan blade and then ask 'do these look to be the same to you?...'.
They don't understand the subject at hand. If we were discussing something else then ignorance of science and physics would not matter.
However we are discussing the behaviour of matter under the forces of gravity, both at rest and in motion through space and time.
Physics, in other words...
Oh sweet feathery Jesus... Not another truther.
"Oh sweet feathery Jesus"... Not another flat-earther! (failed at physics)
My vote is to get rid of the dollar and use crypto currencies. Get rid of the banks and the militaries too. Ever see a world power go after a nation that had nukes? Duh. Don't need the military, Don't need the banks. Crypto currencies are self regulating and free market friendly. Pretty much you could get rid of the Federal Government entirely since they are used mostly to attack the States.
That leaves a nation with freedom and free markets enough to return the United States of America back to prosperity.
And, have you ever stepped outside your nice protected, upper-class world and seen that the MAJORITY of humans on this planet have NO access to the technology that is required for crypto currencies?
"That leaves a nation with freedom and free markets enough to return the United States of America back to prosperity."
Words sure can sound nice, no?
USofA is BROKE (as are most countries in the world) and in massive DEBT. "back to rosperity" of what time period? When there were plenty of resources?
god i love you paul craig roberts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
finally the unvarnished, liberating, 200 proof truth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'll take a sip of that.
Someone in the US armed forces should be able to see the opportunity to restore law and order and the United States Constitution here and go for it. No one is safe with the globalists in control of Washington. It is hard to imagine how it could get any worse for the globalists than when China and Russia have the same enemy as the citizens of the United States of America.
"No one is safe with the globalists in control of Washington. It is hard to imagine how it could get any worse for the globalists than when China and Russia have the same enemy as the citizens of the United States of America."
TPTB don't adhere to any ideology other than that of POWER. They exist in ALL of the countries mentioned.
Governments ARE about violence. It's how power is maintained. And militaries are the mechanisms used for the necessary execution of oppressive actions; asking them to step out of their role would mean that they wouldn't be what they are- all that you could expect would be a new set of bosses...
This post kinda made sense until the 9/11 rant. Even though I completely agree about 9/11, that event is not what is driving the breakup of the Dollar Hegemony.
"9/11, that event is not what is driving the breakup of the Dollar Hegemony."
No, it's not THE event. I'd state that it was a signal. As clearly documented, this has been a new Pearl Harbor event, meaning that it DOES have a lot of significance. 9/11 gave cover for more control over oil and oil pipelines/shipping in the ME and Asia. And given that energy is what makes things work, which is how growth occurs, and that it's a scramble to dwindling oil, well, PETRO-DOLLAR...
Not a peep about MH-370, and its all a great narrative, ...except ...
1.) That PCR is an old NEO-CON part of the Ronald Raygun team, and yes I know he's gone christian-ZION and all kinds of shit that makes the baby-jeebuz get hemmrhoids where it matters, ... but the sad fact Paul C Roberts, is what he is, and that is a NEOCON that has gone populist, a dangerous fucking bitch.
2.) Not a peep about right now, I know the hairlips get all wet between the legs talking about 911, and it was 12+ years, but the sad fact is focus on right fucking now, and MH-370 and the USA/CHINA merging and killing 200+ Chinese, and then toss in the RUSSIA is also silent.
Me thinks something stinks and bad, ... and when you see this kind of orchestrated feel good for the hair-lip, you know that something else is coming.
Me thinks it ain't the USD collapse most likely the Russia/China announce embracing the IMF-SDR and the USA concedes but in REALITY the USA/ISRAEL own the fucking IMF-SDR.
Dr. Roberts is a traditional conservative, not a neocon. The neocons didn't have Ronald Reagan's ear. They came into positions of power only during George Herbert Walker Bush's term.
The neocons were springing up during the Nixon era: think Donald Rumsfeld. Nixon and Reagan were a bit too strong-willed to be bowled over by them, so they bid their time until GHWB came into office: GHWB was CIA, so the pairing of the spooks with the kooks was a natural fit.
If the USD went to zero, the euro would be at infinite value.
http://bullandbearmash.com/about/usd/
The USD is an index as much as it is a currency. The USD is inversely biased to SIX other currencies. This is not speculation. This is plain old math.
yes.
And as long as the U.S. comprises 80% of the world's naval tonnage and 40% of global military spending, the math will be the same.
Not sure why the down-arrows.
As long as the US's military has the influence it has that would necessarily mean that it's still got a lead in the world's economic system. This massive military is kept going by the sales of USTs; when there are no more buyers is when the numbers get blown up.
~90% of the US's military spending is completely wasted and useless, or else ineffective when used. If the US gets thrashed by rice farmers in sandals, or driven out by stoned camel jockeys with AK's and IEDs, the US military and its leadership has problems that no amount of spending will ever resolve. Plus actually less and less secure, as it has become. What's next, ban steak knives? The country's simply demoralized, by the endless lies, corruption and bullshit storm. People do not believe in the system, they detest it. It just takes a few years of getting pissed-on by the system until they realize that and admit to themselves that it isn't worth keeping, and doesn't deserve their effort, and definitely doesn't merit their 'sacrifice'
Hence USSA uses mercenaries to do their butchering. Less bitching Vets and VA hospitals too.
Element, but you've to to see the Big Picture. That military spending is to rope adherents to the MIC's view of things. A tame local populace.... parades and such as such nice "family" affairs, keeps us all one big happy family. Same old con job, create hobgobblins to distract the populace...
Yeah, true enough, young cadets love the look of a military uniform and a few badges and the 'rank' and status it brings. I guess mercs feel much the same, as long as you pay them well, with someone else's money.
The big business that todays mercenaries has become is not brought up enough IMO
Wow, PCR totally gets his kook on.
I mean, 9/11 conspiracy? Really? The only thing missing here is Hitler analogies. Oh, wait...
Taking PCR seriously is a litmus test for whether you seriously need to be taking other medications. PCR has clearly gone off his meds.
Also, I can think of a MUCH worse world than one where the U.S. has hegemony. Let's just look at history a little... who would you rather have? The U.S., or Rome? The U.S. or 19th-century england, who hung pickpockets by the neck? The U.S. or fucking North Korea, China, Russia, Imperial Japan, I mean ... has there ever been an empire that has been so humanist? The Romans enslaved their adversaries, and look what they did to Carthage. Please, do not even TRY to compare Hiroshima to Carthage. No Roman Senator ever voted to give aid to a defeated adversary. There were no Marshall Plans in the ancient world. The most virulent neocon that the Republicans have ever produced has absolutely nothing on Cato.
Now, it is true that we in the USA are a bunch of greedy one-upping arrogant redneck bastards, no doubt about it. I mean fuck, you can't even get good cheese in this country, let alone a pretty prostitute. I'm only comparing us to the alternatives. If the Swedes were a superpower, I'd totally pick them. But they're not.
Seriously, what other nation would you nominate for the dubious honor of global hegemon? And since we are not ready for world government yet, because the nation-state system still has a couple hundred years left in it, then you have to have either a global hegemon, or a multipolar world which means all-out-fucking-war, all the fucking time, between everybody. You either have a global hegemon, as in Pax Romana and Pax Britannica and now Pax Americana, or else you have the dark ages in between, with their plagues and goblin hordes and religious inquisitions.
So, really, Mr. PCR? The U.S. is a problem? I don't think so. She's an ugly bitch, but she's not nearly as ugly as the other fat ugly bitches, and all the rest of them have nasty, nasty diseases, Mr. Paul Craig Roberts. So put your condom on and dance with the prettiest ugly bitch in the house, or else sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up.
The question you should be asking yourself is that if the world moves, thanks to past momentum of creative destruction; and also thru technological prowess; to a "cosmopolitan" society, a true global village where people can no longer be fooled by old tricks, who would want the psychopathic village idiot boy-- like GWB-- to play at world hegemon in this new paradigm.
Maybe we have learned our lessons and what we are seeing is the dying of the old Caesarian meme in a world which will change beyond recognition; one way or the other.
Rome did come to a fall inspite or rather because of the likes of Cato and what they kept doing to the Carthages of this world on a recurrent basis.
Karma or Nemesis take your pick.
I can only hope the empire ends without the nuclear hellfire of Judgment Day. I just want the Republic back.
"I just want the Republic back."
You've been around That long?
And says the Genie: wish granted; now, get out to the field, slave... (NOTE: be certain to specify ALL requirements before making wishes [gender and skin color are important here])
Sunday, April 17th, 2011
"Wake up all of you – now. Look around you and see for yourselves. Stop trying to imply that the world is simply in the throes of a depression, caused by a slump in the economy, because this is not true. These people will now control each of you through a global currency and your country’s indebtedness. No country will escape their clutches. Please heed My Word. Your money will be worthless. Your access to food and other necessities will only be possible through “the mark”, the identification I spoke about."
http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com/new-world-order-plan-to-control-yo...
There will be NO NWO. Sorry.
The energy equation pretty much guarantees this will be the case: not enough surpluses to support the necessary complexities that an NWO would require.
Now, mind you, it's not that I do not believe that there are efforts, there are (and I have no idea whether benevolent or not). Human hubris knows no bounds...
Mother Nature bats last. NWO, should it occur, is likely going to be swatted down in that glorious bottom of the 9th.
Religion is POWER's tool. True belief wouldn't have one engaged in being one of God's army men: really, if God has it all set out then we have no need to interfere, no need to act at all! (we'd be robots; and, well, TPTB have us set up the same...)
To all the rapturists: Please leave the planet, via your god.
To all the technologists: Please leave the planet, via your rocket ships.
After I got off work (TDY) I had the chance to listen to what I guess is C-SPAN radio here in the belly of the beast. Ms Nuland and two NGO think tank personnel were testifying before a senate committee.
The NGOs were quite militaristic, demanding we support increased troop deployment and weapons to Ukraine. Additional requirements were a pushing forward of some kind of scheduled military drill from later in the year to ASAP. NATO was to be re-enforced and the yooropeons to be jacked up to military readiness, whether Europe wants to or not.
Someone really wants a confrontation risking American lives and our already sinking economy.
I can't read Vlad's mind. Does he want to protect ethnic Russians, or (he does have a healthy ego) a reconquest of former Russian satellites?
More sanctions and a high military posture on the part of "ZATO" at this point would seem to me to be counterproductive.
I am entertaining the idea that Bath House has been ordered to throw the match to Vlad; none of the proposals make any sense to me at this time unless one had the outcome of harming the US and its citizens as a goal.
Frankly, observing the USSA out of control against a humble ranching family in Nevada tells me we have more important problems to solve Domestically than being involved in Ukraine.
The number 1 problem the USA has is getting these rogue operator/oligarchs OUT of our government.
...getting these rogue operator/oligarchs OUT of our government.... Not going to happen lake. that is all the gov is composed of...
It's ALWAYS about controlling the internal populace. Well, at this point on the international front there's really no conclusion, as that would put us at the MAD level- way too many PTB aren't going to allow this.
"The number 1 problem the USA has is getting these rogue operator/oligarchs OUT of our government."
Governments ARE about oppression and facilitating "commerce" (which is their conduit for maintaining power). The commerce system has become so critical that you're NOT going to remove TPTB from their controls (which are firmly meat-hooked into government).
Sigh, the reality of things (for MANY decades) would seem to suggest that your notion of the rogue is backwards.
Just like flies to shit, the "bad guys" will seek out power centers (governments). I'm afraid that in order to get rid of the flies one must get rid of the shit as well...
With the last remaining superpower on it's heels, the global power structure is in flux. Of course,,, the other major players will be on the move to consolidate their positions and seek ascendancy. Vlad is doing exactly what we should expect him to be doing. China too is ramping up for some serious position moves. A nice game of RISK anyone???
It all starts with a shoe
http://news.yahoo.com/shoe-thrown-hillary-clinton-during-speech-23445077...
Apparently, Hillary wears batskin pumps
When the "other" shoe drops...
This needs to be standard conduct until all these bastards stop showing their faces, and stop coming to "work."
Just three simple questions for those who believe the USGOV on 911
1)Why did WTC 7 uniformly collapse from "office fires" which were not engulfing the whole structure?
2)The "plane" that hit the Pentagon. Why are there no gouges on the ground from the engines if the plane was flying so low?
3)At the Pentagon where is the HUGE engines and landing gear debris from Flight 77? BTW they do not burn or melt in temperature of jet fuel fires.
Just a couple of questions to put my mind at rest...
Well Lil' Feller,
The murderers are on the loose, out there. They're hooking up that NSA grid to detect anyone who gets an actual clue, more importantly, if any of their co-conspirators start to crack up or leak. These poor murderers have a problem, though, they're being pre-emptively prevented, one at a time. I don't know about you, I'd hate to be part of it when you consider the 2,200 plus who died in the buildings that day, and the MILLIONS killed later in a insane dash to fulfill a "plan". Yeah, it would be bad, and dangerous, to be part of THAT team. In fact, I'd say they're dead already, inside, if not actually, yet.
Answer: Pawn sacrifice. (not to be confused with virgin sacrifice)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqNcyFNMfLM
Anyone ever recall NATO ever declaring that Russia's military was in a LOW state of readiness?
Well... considering all the swarming buzzards that have been circling Russia you'd figure that they'd have been in a high state of "readiness" a long time ago...
Maybe the confusion has been because Ukraine wasn't given a color code (<color> revolution)?
"Anyone ever recall NATO ever declaring that Russia's military was in a LOW state of readiness?"
Funny. Worth repeating.
Ok. So there's only two possible outcomes? War or USD destruction? This year?
And this is concluded because the US has lost it's credibility?
People don't just abandon currencies. They actually do need an alternative. An infinitesimal percentage of people own actual gold or silver. At least enough even to be able to melt down, let alone actually be in a form people would accept for a transaction. It's not an alternative to the dollar right now.
War with Russia? It's already off the table.
Breakup of NATO, maybe. Breakup of the EU? Probably not this year. I'd let these separatist movements play out.
I say muddle through and capital controls.
Didn't down-arrow you...
"And this is concluded because the US has lost it's credibility?"
Yes, a loss in confidence of the USD would likley lead to its collapse, which in turn pretty much slams the door on US supremacy.
"People don't just abandon currencies."
They sure do. History has documented MANY times in which failed currencies are terminated.
"War with Russia? It's already off the table."
I'm not privy to know what TPTB have on the table, but I figure that MAD would tend to support this. I suspect, however, that the talk would still go on and that it's meant to construct the story for going forward, stories usually meant to get internal populations in alignment.
It all continues until it doesn't. I'm not thinking that there will be a world-wide memo outlining what and when things are going to occur...
here's a wild idealistic wihsful proposal.
what if the US backs a cryptocurrency ecosystem?
The US has the most potent cyber capabilities
in the world. The two biggest problems facing it
in its decline are faith in its credit and trust in its
agency. Redeem the NSA and the Fed blunders
by championning trust and credibility.
Think of the Nasa Apollo Push, but for the digital
economy. While you're at it scrap diebolds for real
PKI plebiscites.
Iceland is well on its way.
Digital Democracy now.
Ah, yes, technology will save us!
Crypto? Can you say BleedingHeart? (please note that this troubles me, me being more of the open-software kind of person) THE big problem here is the FACT that this is not equally available to all humans on the planet: once again one starts the game pretending that everyone is treated as equal when that is NOT the case.
"Iceland is well on its way."
To what?
Is it improving? Let's see... (source: http://www.heritage.org/index/country/iceland)
Perhaps, but then again when you essentially declare bankruptcy it's a LOT easier to then point things upwards.
I'm referring to a state backed digital currency:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auroracoin
A digital currency can NEVER be THE currency for the fact that there are far too many people who have no ready access to technology.
It's not clear to me whether TPTB are tossing this out just to distract us or not, what, with all the outings of NSA fucking up left and right it kind of diminishes one's desire to turn one's soul over to the digital world...
Whether by design or merely as a byproduct of globalization we have weaved a web of financial transactions that circle the globe. Over the last several years as money was printed by the central Banks it was not contained in the countries where in was printed. This money flowed across borders influencing and distorting markets and prices across the world.
Some people have been calling for a "world currency" for years. the saying "one should never let a good crisis go to waste" means a meltdown with high levels of fear would present a perfect opportunity to advance this agenda down the field. Remember many people with agendas have a lot to gain when a major shift in the currency markets takes place. More on this subject in the article below.
http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/02/contagion-may-lead-to-new-world-c...
Bullish!
AKA Grafitti Man - John Trudell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qyk4HiGr3CM
I'm not convinced that 9/11 was a false flag conspiracy event, and I tend to believe the accounts given by leading scientists and engineers. But I won't completely discount the possibility it was staged. I honestly just don't know but I've grown suspicious enough of our government that I think it possible. Still, Roberts is not an engineer and the "pancaking" theory has been pretty well refuted. But I do think Roberts is correct that world politics is governed by the dollar and almost every threat (we really need to stop threatening other nations) and policy move we make is designed to keep the dollar as the world's reserve currency. Our leaders know that when that hegemony is broken the "gig is up."
But the time will come when the dollar will be replaced. It is inevitable. But the $64k question what will happen inside the US. There is a lot of angling for position going on right now and everybody in the top 10% will not come out on top. Will we see another civil war of some kind? There will undoubtedly be chaos and rioting everywhere particularly if food and water are in short supply. Needless to say very few political leaders are planning for such a transition because they are too busy trying to figure out their personal escape.
Maybe it won't happen that way, but it makes sense to me to plan for the worse and hope for the best. I don't see the next 5 years as being particularly orderly on a national level. On a local level there will be some areas that will be relatively calm and orderly during this time. Unfortunately, not many of them are in the south where I live.
Hang on ... this is going to be some ride.
You don't need to believe 9/11 was False Flag but you might question whether Bin Laden was really capable of finding such incompetence on the Us-side at just the right moment. This was a far more complex operation than finding Bin Laden in Pakistan so maybe it just did have an Intelligence Service behind it after all.......if it wasn't a Us Intelligence Service how about it being Saudi ?
I have yet to see a rational explanation for the high levels of barium in the ground zero area.
Barium, being an active ingredient of only *military grade* thermite (thermate) that is very useful in cutting thick steel columns like a hot knife through butter.
The local bagel shops do not use barium on 'everything' bagels. You also won't find radioactive barium in janitors closets.
I won't mention pools of molten steel in the basement even though jet fuel doesn't even burn hot enough to deform structural steel, much less melt it.
Science is very awkward for those that want to curl up in the warm fuzzy blanket of denial.
Maybe CT scans were really big in that area?
find the difference with a distinction between security agency and
organised crime, then, there is something instructive and revealing.
Yes I too wish PCR would not have added his 9/11 theory. That said, so few trust and respect our government because of the constant lies, deception and unaccountability that it provides fertile ground for theorys like this. Trust is gone.
Please convict Lois Lerner
It's not HIS "theory."
I have followed PCR for some time now and he was pretty reluctant to talk about 9/11, saying that it was not his expertise. Here here's mentioned the work by others. He brings it up because he has had an overwhelming number of people asking him to comment on 9/11. 9/11 WAS a Pearl Harbor event. And with Pearl Harbor came a reshuffling of world power. 9/11 effectively pushed the US to the top of the heap, allowing for a strengthening of its economic dominance: all the financial records and investigations that got wiped out on 9/11 are very signficant- 9/11 bought the US more time.
I question whether "trust" was ever really there to be had. Consider that our functioning centers on the notion of perpetual growth (on a finite planet); as this is not possible we are all participating in a big LIE- how can "trust" even be in This equation?
Exactly. I remember coming home from work that day and telling my wife that the world as we had known it had changed forever. I for one am glad that we finally have a man of CPR's caliber willing to discuss the subject.
I went to work at a high-rise that day.
I remember asking my (ex) wife what it was that the US did to cause it. She reacted as though she'd just seen a ghost: yeah, her reaction was just like all the other sheep's reaction.
PCR has clout because he's been on the inside, a LOT of the "inside." He's been thoroughly snubbed by the MSM and status-quo, which is a pretty good sign that he's not some tool. I'm pretty much right in line with him, other than his belief that this country can be fixed (I believe that it's not the people so much as it's the System).