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Russia Tells Ukraine It Won't "Accept" Force Against Demonstrators
Ukraine may have drawn its own red line overnight by saying it will send "special forces" into the latest east Ukraine city captured by "pro-Russia separatists" as we just reported, but Russia wasted no time in explaining how it would deal with it. Bloomberg cites Russian foreign minister Lavrov who stated that, "Russia Won’t Accept Ukraine Force Versus Demonstrators."
Threats to use force against pro- Russian activists in southeast Ukraine are “unacceptable,” Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov says in phone call today with Ukrainian counterpart Andriy Deshchytsia, Russian Foreign Ministry says in e-mailed statement. Lavrov added that he sees “no grounds” to accuse Russia of sending agents to destabilize situation in Ukraine.
From the Russian foreign ministry, google translated:
Telephone conversation by Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and Acting Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine A.B.Deschitsey
April 12 at the initiative of the Ukrainian side had a telephone conversation between Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation Sergey Lavrov and Acting Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine A.B.Deschitsey.
During the conversation A.B.Deschitsa tried to lay the responsibility for the deterioration of the situation in the South and South- East Ukraine on Russia. He argued that in these regions there are some Russian agents and allegedly some of them had already been arrested.
In response, Lavrov stated that there were no grounds for such assertions. He recalled that similar claims against Russia could be heard from Washington, but we have not been presented specific facts.
On the Russian side emphasized the responsibility of the present authorities in Kiev for preventing any use of force in the South and South- East of Ukraine. A.B.Deschitse indicated on the unacceptability of Kiev constantly sounding threats to storm buildings occupied by protesters in Donetsk and Lugansk. Lavrov urged the Ukrainian side to act peacefully , through dialogue , with full consideration of the legitimate demands of the South and South- East of Ukraine , including the direct involvement of these regions in the process of constitutional reform.
In response to questions regarding the prospects for A.B.Deschitsy quadripartite meeting of the Russia- US-EU -Ukraine Russian minister noted that the preparation of this event as part of the content and on the format and timing continues to be discussed between Moscow and Washington
Ball is in Kiev's court.
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My dear imbeciles fellow Zero-Hedge,
Get it in your stupid head that Putin like Obama is a zionist agent. Putin hates Russian people like Obama hates white Americans. All your fooking info comes from Zionist mass media.
Zionist US leaders and Putin both have problems in Ukraine: following collapse of the former Ukrainian government, Ukrainian nationalist movement gained lots of power. This is a nightmare for zionist oligarchy trying to ruin the white race all over world. This is the real reason why Obama is giving to Putin a military leverage in Ukraine. This is why Putin and Obama's administration are negotiating a deal of suppressing white nationalist movement in Ukraine. On another side, Putin understand that he alone cannot occupy 45-million strong Ukraine. Neither Hitler or even Stalin could not fully resolve this issue. Moving into Ukraine, Putin will be in no better position than Americans after moving into Afghanistan or Iraq.
"Putin hates Russian people"
hehe, Putin also hate our freedom.
Why does anybody even care what Russia thinks or does? Look at everything that has improved humanity over the last 100, 200, 1000 years. How much was Russian? Answer: Nothing. At some point, NATO will decide Russia no longer serves any benefit to the world. And then it will be destroyed.
The same logic applies to China. Zero value added.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Russian_physicists
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Russian_mathematicians
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Russian_inventors
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Russian_physicians_and_psychologists
"Look at everything that has improved humanity over the last 100, 200, 1000 years. How much was Russian? Answer: Nothing"
This guy did go to school? Didnt he learn the chemicals elements table?
Even Hollywood has some masterpieces of russian literature converted to films.
Spetsnaz vs mercenaries. This should be entertaining. Lets hope there isn't a total media blackout on this.
This is analogous to Mexican Americans taking San Antonio and the Mexican govenrment telling the US not to use force to remove them.
Oh the insanity. There is no way out of this shit.
The two biggest differences in your analogy. the Mexicans should have acted sooner than 170 years after the fact and the Mexicans don't have nukes.
Hey, I thought the Ukraine was denuded many years ago. Does the Ukraine have bullets ? Does Ukraine have serious 'backing' ?
Technically the West can always fall back on the Russian claim the Russians are 'defending' the Ukraine from a Kiev takover.
This is pure facia and Kiev Kabuki, supported by East and West, and Kiev. It is a rare win-win-win without bullets.
All three are just deciding who wants to handle the deal.
Back when the Wall fell West Germany had to swallow their deal with East Germany and assume the Eastern debts (too).
Well, you're right. It would be analgous to that, provided the Mexican Americans are the significant majority in that region.
The Mexicans who moved to San Antonio, whether now or in the past, almost all wanted to ESCAPE from Mexico. They certainly would not vote to be annexed.
And the Russians who left Russia love Russia!
I guess we will find out how accurate those Deadliest Warrior matchups really were soon enough unfortunately.......
http://deadliestwarrior.wikia.com/wiki/Spetsnaz
I predict the Spetsnaz teams mop up very quickly or the mercenaries dig in and set some nasty ambushes up and kill off a few squads; in which case artillery will level the area. Those mercs are getting evicted one way or the other; quick like. Putin is not flinching and these stupid head fakes are going to get a lot of people killed.
US/EU sending lesbian/gay forces to help Kiev.
Funny. One of my high school chums is a Blackwater medic. He is pretty much a bad ass. No pink farie shoes there.
I know many people in the services, and most of them don't think of Blackwater as tough guys. The reaction I always get from them about Blackwater and this whole "security services" world ranges from cold indifference to outright contempt.
Maybe. I wonder what those guys will say after they leave the service and start looking for a job. Being a merc seems like a better gig than McDonald's assistant manager.
These "many people"... would they be referred to as "REMF" in bygone days?
No, they are mostly officers.
Are they REMF officers?
Blackwater doesn't have medics. They just put down their seriously wounded like horses with broken legs.
LOL
Next time I talk to him I will mention that to him. I will call him the gunfighter that carries the bandaids.
one team member carries the radio, another carries the bandaids, yet another carries the C4, etc.
funny? yeh...sure thing that hire out soul is big joke in real.....
Excuse me, but what are you trying to say?
Mercs selling their soul is a regular laugh riot.
Bad ass? How Bad r they? They are Given the ability to not be prosecuted for murder, torture, and given an endless supply of weapons, resources, technology, also they are tapped into US intelligence. Lets make no mistakes here call them what they are "Hired Guns" that are above the law. They do not fight for freedom they fight for the toilet paper of the world the US Dollar. They are not patriots they are the exact opposite. They are weapons of mass destruction and most people in the US armed forces despise these people. These "Hired Guns" only know how to kill they can not function in society as normal people. I am not sure of the % but a certain % of the population are psychopaths and sociopaths and that is what they are. Who in there right mind wants to KILL PEOPLE?
The ball and the bill.
Its about to begin.
There is no way out.
Why does this shit usually start on the weekend?
Futures are closed. There's less profit to be made front running news if the stoploss orders can be filled. I hope that explains it for you.
"Why does this shit usually start on the weekend?"
So the politicians can make the rounds on the Sunday political talk shows.
I'm not a gambler, but what day this year will the Russian flag be hoisted in Kiev ? Is there a pool yet ?
Again..
;)
The illegal and criminal regime in Kiev doesn't like it when the same tactics they used to seize control in Kiev are used against them.
My heat pumps piss for them and their Zio, EU and US masters.
may we live in interesting times
So, Putin changes his tune. Now the Syrian shoe is on the other foot.
The Putin wet dream club here at ZH will not see that, though....
Not really. Both in Syria and in Ukraine, it was the West that started the chaos in the first place. Putin is just telling the West to fuck off. No change of policy, although that shoe you are talking about seems ready to be planted firmly in to the ass of the US/EU.
Which start are you talking about? The one a few years ago? The one a few years before that? The one a few years before that?
You guys are just so enamored with anyone that acts tough, that you cannot even see beyond that. It is perhaps the biggest blind spot on this site.
OTOH the US supports the House of Saud holding power as a tiny minority of the populace.
Which part of my post was backing up the US? I was just pointing out something Putin has to deal with. You are the perfect example of my previous comment
Obama bad
Putin against Obama
therefore, Putin good.
This is not coins we are talking about.
useless talkings
Spoken like a true khazar.
first, Putin did not change his tune as he never stated that military force was not an option. from he start he stated clearly and repeatedly that he would use the military to protect ethnic Russians and the Russian Duma authorized such action back at the beginning of the Ukraine crises.
second, the Ukraine is right on Russia's front door so it is both natural and reasonable that Moscow would have a vested interest in what happens there, an unstable, chaotic and western puppet Ukraine is a direct threat to Russian national security.
but I would think that goes without saying.
Syria on the other hand is thousands of miles away from DC and of no consequence to the safety and security of the US, in fact a stable Syria run by the secular Assad regime who did not tolerate Muslim extremism was in the best interest of the US and the MENA. so DC has incurred more risk by supporting these terrorists and interfering where it has no cause or logical reason to.
your comparison between the two is faulty and makes no sense.
let's also on forget this whole thing started with the violent overthrow of the democratically elected president, an overthrow with the US state department was proven to have a played a central roll in.
last this is not about Putin, this is about calling your own government out on it's bullshit, Washington is killing innocent people every day all over the world all in the name democracy and freedom and if this insane freak show is not brought to bay by it's own people, then somebody else will have to do it sooner or later.
but you will not see that apparently, not until it's to late which it may already be.
Calling out the US's problems, mistakes and corruptions does not automatically throw me into the Putin mancrush club. I agree. it is a lot more complicated than that.
"but you will not see that apparently, not until it's to late which it may already be."
Really, who is the child here? My or your seeing anything will have exactly NO EFFECT on anything, despite your pouting.
but it can have an effect, the fact that the bombing of Syria after the alleged chemical attack had zero public support had a part to play in Obama punting the issue to congress, it gave our service men the opportunity to launch there "I didn't sing up for this campaign". it defiantly played a part in averting what would have been a tragic "humanitarian kinetic military intervention".
you, me we can make a difference, we do even if only by talking to others about these things, by making them aware of Washington's lies and corruption because so many are not. so many Americans are not only clueless, but worse still, supportive of there own destruction once you point that out to people and really get them to listen, the light goes on.
and that's something.
now maybe if we can get enough people to understand why the Ukraine is important and the potentially dire consequences of Washington's continuing actions there as well as in Syria maybe there still is a chance we can have some effect on what happens next.
because that is what concerns me, that is what may effect us all.
I sense you feel the world should acknowledge Putin's trump card as one which shall last for all time.
Every thinking person knows Putin currently holds the strong hand. As in any strategic game, once those strong cards are played, what is he going to draw from the deck?
We all see his hand. This PR game is all about getting him to play his cards. Putin knows this and his only strategy is to play those cards at the most opportune time.
I don't think now is that time.
Beat your chest and rally behind Putin. I don't expect he will play those cards. Will you be disappointed?
I am not a citizen of the Russian federation, my concern has nothing to do with beating my chest and rallying behind Putin that's for Russians to do (or not) depending on their own personal point of view.
my concern is how Washington is continually railroading any possibility of a political solution to this crises all while claiming to be striving for exactly the same. NATO is starting to sound like a broken record, basically trying to order Russia to withdraw it's troops from it's own borders and inside it's own country before any they can be "taken seriously" in any talks. Kerry has said as much dozens of times since this whole thing started. yet even our own MSM, CNN to be exact, sent a crew along the entire 1,200 mile border between the Ukraine and Russia (on the Russian side) and found zero evidence of this alleged mass invasion force. so either we are being lied to once again like Iraq, Syria, Libya ect. or Russia intentionally kept 40,000 troops, armor, artillery and military aircraft oscar mike so CNN couldn't find them or any evidence of there existence.
as far Putin playing his cards, I have no idea what he will do, I only know what he has said he will do and I have no reason he doubt that he will send in the military if the opportunity and need arises. as I stated in my comment it is reasonable and natural that Russia has a vested interest in what happens on their own front door.
"will you be disappointed?" I would be happy to answer that question if you could be a little more specific, disappointed in what?
So much for not beating your chest.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu4xpDuf84A
Paging John(horsehead) Kohn...Would John(horsehead) Kohn please report to the paddocks area.
Putin doesn't make idle threats. If the Ukraine fascists and Blackwater start killing lots of ethnic Russians, then the Russian army goes in. Blackwater and the Ukraine Fascist Army would last about a New York minute. Then the question is what will the idiots in DC do with NATO forces, even though Ukraine is not a part of NATO. If the morons send in NATO, there is no way it can succeed in Russia's back yard, so it is tactical nuke time which of course will devolve to global thermonuclear war in hours. Meanwhile, the elites will be sipping single malt in their DUMB's (Deep Underground Military Bases). When the top politicians and bankers disappear from live television, it is time to kiss your ass goodbye.
The former Yugoslavia wasn't in NATO, either. Didn't stop them from going in for "humanitarian" reasons.
It was once explained to me that a "New York Minute" was the time it took between the light turning green and the horn behind you honking.
HFT like speed.
No, that would be a nanosecond.
I really don't think NATO will get involved, European countries know where their gas comes from. They are also the ones who would have to live next to an even angrier Russian Bear. If NATO were to get involved, it would have to go all-in and invade mother Russia to secure the pipelines all the way to the taps.
The US will have to go this alone, something it should get used to from here on out. There is no honor among thieves.
Lots of Pussy Riot coverage on MSM lately, i.e. Charlie Rose, Home Lox Office documentary... gotta make sure the sheeple are convinced that Putin is a bad evil thug bully dictator man
I'm with Charlie and HBO on this one. I mean, who could possibly get upset with a musically inept band of women desecrating a church with public and sexually vulgar jestures or putting frozen chicken parts (I'm assuming 'parts', God forbid a whole chicken) up their vaginias?
I imagine Charlie parties like that.
Gotta ask ouselves, do we love freedom?
Remind Russian propaganda to drop pamphlets with PR sticking chicken up their privates to dying US marines stuck on Crimean beachhead, check.
That is what you are fighting for, mates.
Yes, file under "Why We Fight".
If only KFC would pick that up...
Gives a whole new meaning to finger lickin' good.
In the interest of accuracy:
Some critics made little or no distinction between Pussy Riot and Voina, incorrectly attributing past actions of Voina to Pussy Riot. In particular, a notorious performance by Voina in St. Petersburg, in which a woman stole a chicken from a supermarket by stuffing it in her vagina, is sometimes cited by detractors of Pussy Riot. However, there is no evidence that members of Moscow-based Pussy Riot participated in this action.[153]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pussy_Riot
How much airtime did Charlie spend with probing questions about gang fornicating while pregnant in public museums and defecating in public?
Bullshit. None of that happened at the protest they Pussy Riot was jailed for. Can you Putin apologists at least attempt to be honest?
Charlie Rose is a zio-jew?
The anti-Putin propaganda started during the Olympics, NBC kept focusing on the "persecution" of gays throughout coverage. The funny thing is that I would estimate at least 50% of Americans still aren't down with the LGBT crowd, and the ones that are certainly aren't going to voluntarily sign up for military service.
Maybe the US can airdrop Johnny Weir behind enemy lines to start a game of "capture the fag".
So I guess when Russia Today talks about the NSA and drones, they're indulging in anti-Obama propaganda?
Drones and the NSA are facts, I haven't seen the RT coverage but I suppose it could be seen as propaganda depending on how the reporting is slanted. I think it's more than enough to just point out the facts to make the US look evil.
I have no doubt that Russia isn't the most welcoming place if you are LGBT, but neither is much of America. The NBC reporting was overdramatic to make it look like Putin and Russia were living in the dark ages when LGBT rights in America weren't championed until about 10 years ago. US hypocrisy sanctioned by MSM.
Wait a minute, FACTS are propaganda now? Are you seriously defending Putin over the Pussy Riot shit now?
Is the development in the region related to the economic crisis in the world? Read that the chairman of the Russian Central Bank released a warning at the end of last year that russian households were heavily into debt.
I do not really fall for this "east-slavic identity" rethoric. Must be something else.
Provide a link....
Do not tell unless can show in real...
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/42629d66-51df-11e3-8c42-00144feabdc0.html#axzz...
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/22/russia-imf-banking-idUSL5N0IC2...
the most recent and shocking new from FT is about "G-20 gave an ultimatum to USA". Who would think about this from FT? But i have no link.
Let me google that for you:
FT://G20 gives US ultimatum over IMF reformNothing compared to over a $Trillion in college loans with delinquency rate of 25%. Russia does have auto loans outstanding comparable to US.
Rather than Slavic identity, it is more Slavic cultural survival against invaders ala Napoleon, WW I and II. Russians will gladly die for Motherland, while others fight proxy wars of occupation that end in defeat or glorious retreat.
eastern capitalism is a greasy kid sister compared to west capitalism
A lot of M&A is about making the debts 'go away'. The Ukr is in search for their buyout "Sugar Daddy" and have little to offer except for land value and ongoing contracts.
This is Ukr business, and Kiev's IPO. Who is handling it, GS or JPM ?
they barely moved from black market economy to shopping in stores....it's hard to resist falling back into the most familiar which is corruption at every level
OBAMA ! GET NULAND OUT OF STATE DEPT. AS FIRST STEP IN PREVENTING WW III !
Look, Obama is a bus driver given a map by those who run Nuland. Ridding the world of khazars is the first step to preventing any future wars.
Humans will always wage war,
regardless of the ethnicity of the strongest mafia.
Ridding the World of Khazars simply means, Khazars will no longer wage wars.
The New Mafia, same as the Old Mafia.
i would like to contract her to go to China selling cookies, without strings attached
People passionate about their countries are not to be fecked with. Look at what happened in Vietnam. Despite overwhelming superior military power, the USSA got their asses kicked. Now this is Russia who have far more advanced technology than the USSA.
Tribalism.
Those who have not transcended the Tribal Mentality are destined to live it.
"Those who have not transcended the Tribal Mentality are destined to live it."
And those who have are destined to be set upon by some tribe or another, thus creating a new tribal identity.
Pussy Riot, for example.
I'm highly suspicious of anyone who claims to have "transcended."
By what objective criteria do you make that claim?
All I see is yet another tribe.
If Russia was real they'd drop Jugdish into Ukraine with a fukin bow and sling full of arrows from a helicopter but..... dem nigggas ain't real.
"Russia Won’t Accept Ukraine Force Versus Demonstrators." Threats to use force against pro- Russian activists in southeast Ukraine are “unacceptable,” Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov says in phone call today with Ukrainian counterpart Andriy Deshchytsia, Russian Foreign Ministry says in e-mailed statement. "
"President Obama said Wednesday that the Ukrainian government would face "consequences" if it crosses the line in cracking down on protesters in Kiev...Obama added of the consequences: "And that includes making sure the Ukrainian military does not step into what should be a set of issues that can be resolved by civilians." WP February 19
It seems that USA and Russia employ the same group of spin doctors. It is a way to save taxpayers money in this time of financial crisis.
Russia is the new "Dirty Harry"....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSAyz5c3JmM
Obama needs a break
Stop policing the world and get out of the Ukraine
MR PUTIN the Ukraine belongs to you - sorry for the hassel my friend was having personal issues and needs a rest.
Business as usual
I heard the EU wants to transfer their Brussels headquarters to Transnistria. btw I don't know why I write this. I must be chipped by the Russian secret service.
What the hell is a "body man" anyways
In medieval Europe it was the mignon or minion...LGBT studies will provide more information.
We’re told now that the chants and accusations coming from the protesters in eastern Ukraine, once directed to the coup in Kiev, now have one common target: NATO.
They’ve got it right: NATO is the arm of the globalists.
And the globalists – the Fed/IMF international oligarchs – are preparing for the final wealth grab of the world’s resources – a global tax.
The capture of Ukraine and the crippling of Russia by the EU-connected banker cabal is a vital component of its multilateral financial system in this final reach for power.
Alex Newman in his recent article entitled A New World Tax Regime writes in The New American that the IMF and UN are at the center of this power grab.
“A coalition of governments and brutal dictatorships known as the Group of 20 (G-20) is in the process of building what virtually every major ‘mainstream’ media outlet recently described as a “New World Order,” with the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and UN at its center..
The Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) — a 34-member (presently) international economic organization that works to influence world financial operations — openly announced plans to advance the longtime socialist-backed dream of a planetary taxation regime.
Writes Newsman:
“Over 40 governments, which the Paris-based OECD misleadingly refers to as “countries,” have already committed to the controversial scheme. In a “joint statement,” participating governments celebrated the planetary plot, implying that it was only being instituted to catch tax cheats. ‘Tax evasion is a global problem and requires a global solution,’ said representatives from dozens of governments, including more than a few run by self-described socialists. “We therefore strongly support the development of the single global standard for automatic exchange of information between tax authorities.’ …
“In mid-February, in fact, the OECD officially unveiled its plan informally called GATCA (Global Account Tax Compliance Act)…”
The final solution of the collectivist dream, of course, is world governance.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/item/17987-a-new-world-tax-regime
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/22/russia-imf-banking-idUSL5N0IC2...
Russian household debt.
"Russian household debt."
Compare this with the debt of U.S. households.
All I see is, one tax collector trying to take the tax farm from another tax collector.
Russia is a tax collector and Ukraine is a Tax collector.
No matter who wins, the people lose, and most of the people wont even know it.
Government policy has always been to take as much as you can from the people while keeping them from rebelling, doesn't matter what "government" does it, its all the same.
no no, not the Russian GovT! Not Putin's GovT, nooooo.
Putin's GovT will always kindly look after the people's well being.
Snowden? To Imperial DC that says sharpen its game. Iraq and Afghanistan didn't go according to plan? That says more proxies, more private mercs.
The problem is proxies and private mercs are more unstable, have more unintended consequences than government mercs.
In trying to guage what the potential for a bad situation to grow desperate, this news is what I was looking to see. Would Russia stand by and let the coup government of NATO in Kiev work it's will across all of Ukraine. Well, the jury is now in, "No, they will not".
I am amazed to read the American press and the European press, and many posters here as well, speak as if they personally own Ukraine now after the coup, and all people's must bow down to a revolution that nobody cast a vote for. No, America does not own Ukraine yet! Believe it, because that is a fact, and Putin is sending plenty of signals he will work with the west to defuse this thing, but only if the west gives a great deal toward Russian Ukrainain autonomy. Is that so hard to take NATO? A few cities and a little land votes if they want out of Ukraine? If they vote to stay, then NATO wins, if they vote to leave then the people win. What do they win. They win freedom from the IMF and all the banker cunts in Brussels. They win freedom from a economic collapse and debt slavery in Ukraine. Joing their countrymen in Russia raises their economic future by orders of magnitude over West, bankrupt hell hole, Ukraine.
Get a grip all you arm chair warriors and draft dodgers. YOU, do not decided the fate of East Ukrainians. Too fucking bad for you. I am shedding all kinds of tears for your imperial dreams.
Just going with the Chicken Kiev meme and saw this on CNBC...yummy. REMEMBER...at this time, this is the CNBC coverage of chicken Kiev.
KFC debuts chicken drumstick corsage...no, really!http://www.cnbc.com/id/101577240
say whaaat? You've stopped the gas payment, and now threatening Russian demonstrators? Ok, I understand that Stalin killed millions of Ukrainian intellectuals after the war hence current demise of Ukrainian gene pool, but c'mon, you can't be that stupid...serious?!? Dudes in Kiev don't understand that their best friend is somewhere golfing, and their second best friend is in Munchen watching Bundes Liga soccer...puhleeeez!
Once again, the Russian stance on events in Ukraine appear reasonable and measured.
I see no champing at the bit in Moscow to send in military hardware to seize control and annex East Ukraine - even though it may come to that.
All the mouthing and provocation is coming from the West's make-believe puppet government in Kiev.
Is Lavrov trying to tell me that it's not a lipoma on my forehead, but an implant that checks my testosterone level, and that I am part of a massive covert human experiment? It's a possibility. You really have to question everything to understand the truth.