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Ukraine Mobilizes Military, Gives Separatists Ultimatum; Russia Slams Escalation As "Criminal", Yanukovich Warns Of Civil War
If Russia's intention was to give Ukraine enough "escalation" rope with which to hang itself once again, it may have succeeded when a little over an hour ago acting president Oleksander Turchinov said in a televized address that Ukraine has mobilized its armed forces to launch a "full-scale anti-terrorist operation" against pro-Russian separatists. Furthermore, knowing the only real escalation Kiev can engage in is in the war of words department, Ukraine set an 0600 GMT Monday deadline for pro-Russian separatists to give up their weapons and leave buildings they have occupied in the east of the country, a presidential decree said. It is unclear if this would be the catalyst to launch the military operation, but should Kiev indeed bring in the army it is certainly clear that Russia will respond in kind.
Reuters reports:
Angered by the death of a state security officer and the wounding of two of his comrades near the flashpoint eastern city of Slaviansk, Turchinov gave rebels occupying state buildings until Monday morning to lay down their weapons.
He blamed Russia, which opposed a pro-Europe uprising that forced Moscow-backed former president Viktor Yanukovich to flee, for being behind the rash of rebellions across Russian-speaking towns in eastern Ukraine.
"The blood of Ukrainian heroes has been shed in a war which the Russian Federation is waging against Ukraine," he said in an address to the nation. "The aggressor has not stopped and is continuing to sow disorder in the east of the country."
Russia promptly responded, alleging Ukraine's planned operation is criminal:
Russia's Foreign Ministry said on Sunday that an announcement by the authorities in Kiev that they will mobilise the army to put down a rebellion by pro-Russian militants in eastern Ukraine was a "criminal order".
The ministry said the West should bring its allies in Ukraine's government under control. "It is now the West's responsibility to prevent civil war in Ukraine," it said in a statement posted on Facebook.
It also said that Russia would put an urgent discussion of the situation in eastern Ukraine on the agenda of the United Nations Security Council.
"The situation in southeastern Ukraine is taking on an extremely dangerous character. The authorities in Kiev, who put themselves in power as a result of a coup d'etat, have set a course to use force to put down popular protests," the statement said.
"We decisively condemn attempts to use brute force against protesters and activists ... We are particularly indignant about the criminal order of (Ukrainian Acting President Oleksander Turchinov) to use the army to put down protest."
The statement said the West had sponsored the rulers in Kiev and should now "rein in its out-of-control proteges, force them to distance themselves from neo-Nazis and other extremists, stop using armed force against the Ukrainian people, and immediately start a genuine dialogue".
As usual, the only solace out of NATO was issuing wordy statements:
With East-West relations in crisis, NATO described the appearance in eastern Ukraine of men with specialised Russian weapons and identical uniforms without insignia - as previously worn by Moscow's troops when they seized Crimea - as a "grave development".
Adding even more fuel to what increasingly appear a civil war fire, was self-exiled president Yanukovich who said in a televized from Russia's Roston-on-Don that Ukraine is a foot in the door to civil war. “Blood was spilt today,” Yankovich told journalists referring to the events in the eastern city of Slavyansk. “Now our country finds itself in a totally new situation – with one foot in the door of a civil war. Kiev junta has issued a criminal order to use military forces.”
Part of the responsibility for dragging the country into domestic war lays on the US, which brutally interfere in the situation and to point out what to do, Yanukovich said. The ousted president declared that CIA chief John Brennan visited Ukraine and it was after the meeting that the coup-imposed authorities in Kiev ordered a military operation in the country’s east.
Brennan “de facto sanctioned” the use of weapons and thus provoked the bloodshed, Yanukovich said.
Ukraine is now “inexorably” heading towards bankruptcy, Yanukovich also warned in his speech.
So according to the counter-West narrative, it is the CIA's actions that have led to the escalation in the east, not Russian actions. Bottom line: for now lots of enflamed words, yet no actual actions to resist the "pro Russia separatists." And in the meantime the casualties mount:
Though the Ukrainian military did not resist the Russian takeover of Crimea with force, Turchinov threatened robust action against the rebels in the east. "The National Security and Defence Council has decided to launch a full-scale anti-terrorist operation involving the armed forces of Ukraine," he declared.
Ukraine has repeatedly said the rebellions are inspired and directed by the Kremlin. But action to dislodge the armed militants risks tipping the stand-off into a new, dangerous phase as Moscow has warned it will protect the region's Russian-speakers if they come under attack.
One Ukrainian state security officer was killed and five were wounded on the government side in Sunday's operation in Slaviansk, interior minister Arsen Avakov said. "There were dead and wounded on both sides," he wrote on his Facebook page.
Looking ahead in terms of immediate catalysts, 0600 GMT is in a few hours hours, and certainly well before the US market opens. What happens then, certainly nothing if Russian response to previous Ukraine ultimatums is any indication, may determine of last week's sell off continues in earnest on Monday or if, by some surprising development, there is a relief rally.
Finally, this just in: SECURITY COUNCIL WILL MEET AT 8 PM NY TIME FOR EMERGENCY MEETING ON UKRAINE CRISIS - RUSSIA'S NEWS AGENCY CITING UN SOURCE.
Or just in time for the Nikkei open.
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It's the wine.
You couldn't be more wrong, it is impossible to consume too much red wine.
Biden gets assassinated. Hillary nomimated. Obama falls on his sword early 2015. Hillary gets to run as an effective incumbent.
If they make the sword-falling bit literal and put it on pay per view they could probably make a dent in the national debt.
OH, yeah, I can see it, now.
Brennan flies to Kiev to assure the Ukrainians that, if they nail Biden, then Congress will get rid of Obama as being useless ... well, they have pages of dirt on him, anyway ... and Brennan can ensure that all the right people are pressured into impeaching Obama. See, the NSA IS useful.
Then, the new President Hillary will assuredly mobilise the US armed forces to come to the aid of Ukraine.
He, (Brennan) will provide all the assets, but the Ukrainians have to set someone up to take the blame for bringing down Biden's plane.
Yep, that might work.
I see the blood moon rising, I see trouble on the way....
HT to CCR....
Note, I do not necessarily agree with Pastor in article, but historically, someone is going to go full retard due to this.
If Russia goes in, the neocons will be screaming bloody murder for NATO to come into the conflict to aid Ukraine.
Such a move would pave the way for a direct US/NATO military conflict with Russia. NATO cannot defeat Russian conventional forces at the Russian border. Only nuclear weapons could do that.
Both the US and Russia each have close to 1000 strategic nuclear warheads at launch-ready status, which can be launched with only a few minutes warning.
The long-term environmental consequences of a war fought with these weapons would be fatal to most of the human race.
"The long-term environmental consequences of a war fought with these weapons would be fatal to most of the human race."
- I'd be willing to modify that into:
The short-term overpressure / fallout / grid-down / utter chaos consequences of a war fought with thousands these weapons might be fatal to most of the human population in the areas where they impact.
I'm not buying into the "on the beach" scenarios...
I'm actually more afraid of all the reactor meltdowns that would result from Nukes flying about than the Nukes themselves.. That makes your statement within the realm of possibility.
YMMV though.
That would be the end of higher life on earth.
How do you say "CLUSTERFUCK" in Russian?
??????? ?????
I know how but the language is recognized by the site. Here's the link.
http://translate.google.com/#en/ru/Cluster%20fuck ;-)
Da, Komrade...
Quagmire.
Funny thing, the word is the same in English. "A-F-G-H-A-N-I-S-T-A-N."
It would be nice if the "politicians" with the suits and the big mouth who command for people to kill and be killed would be target instead of the ignorant feet on the street. If one would wan't to take down a criminal organisation, the quickest way would be to take out the godfather..
A touch of context folks and hear me out.
The comres polls here now have the UK independence party at 20% of the national vote for the May 22nd local council and EU elections.
Last year they polled somewhere between 8-12%, and now the estasblishment peadophiles call UKIPers 'Extremists'.
They have over taken the libs as the third party. This is something that has never happened since the inception of the Labour party in 1900. In saying for context, the 'People' WILL be heard, its either this, or violence. Not just here, Ukraine, Greece, Spain, Italy, wherever, the people will be heard.
Dark days loom ahead my friends, but once more, take away the democratic right of the people to hold sway over their lives, and all that is left is the right to return to total recall, and with that, violence.
Make a note NSA, GCHQ. You know this though dont you? You were warned.
;-)
Our Canadian government is run by a bunch of violent pedophiles led by the biggest of them all PM Harper. God WILL judge their souls one day.
Global Hunter,
No my friend, not in the least. Never mind Dog, its our duty nigh responsibility to hold these bastards to account.
And as Dog is my witness.
We will.
Get angry, raise the heckles, clench your fists, pull your arse in and hold your head up high.
Lets give these dispicable cunts exactly what they deserve.
Lets give these cunts war.
:-)
this dog is ready to fight, but I won't be a lone wolf and play into the psychopaths hands. Thumbs up for calling these violent politicians out and not diluting your words, you call it as you see it (and as I do most of the time) for some time on these boards.
I almost shot a load in my pants a few weeks back when Farage said "let's bring down the Establishment".
I suspect if he ever gets close to even starting that, he'll suffer a tragic fatal accident.
I Detest Diplomatic Double Speak!
ori
Outside of the box thinking is certainly in order for the Ukrainian defense forces.
Chernobyl...Mmmm...
Dirty bombs assembled in secret and then exported into or on the outskirts of Russian cities, including Moscow? Of course wind patterns would need to be taken into account.
Enriched Plutonium and Uranium wrapped with high explosive charges and a threat of the detonation of such if a full withdrawal of Russian forces within Ukraine...including Crimea...is not achieved within 4 days time?
That's just one off the cuff idea. I mean, 20,000 years would be a long time to await the reuse of the entirety of Moscow alone.
Now, I know the reaction of such a "dastardly deed" would be to all my Russian friends here on ZH.
But I have no sympathy for a people who send in troops with blanked out uniforms and insignia and who engage in imperialist aspirations and think that there will be no consequences.
War is a bitch, Motherfuckers!
Yeah, that unused one from the Boston bombings...probably eats up 50 % of the IMF "bailout funds" too...
Picture dozens of these bombs...several pounds eachsmuggled in back packs to the top of buildings in Russia...then the phone call to Russian ambassador Sergey Lavrov...
...this plan has teeth and could represent a fair substitute for the nuclear missile deterent traded away by Ukarine in 1994. A deal that is broken by Russian would deserve such a response. It would be fair.
Asymmetrical warfare is really the only way smaller countries can stop larger ones. That works in the USA as well, we the people can target, ahh, never mind...
The first rule of Fight Club is...
Are you insane?
A while back there was an article on ZH which questioned what God or gods Vladimir Putin was praying to...it would be interesting to know, I expect him to be an agnostic, or an Orthodox Christian.
I am not really exactly keen on finding out what idols or shades the opposition to him reveres...and yes, i am someone who has consumed several kinds of horror literature, lore and movies...
While they are there anyways, don't forget to ask for 1 trillion dollars in unmarked small bills. Or at least a metric ton of gold.
let me see if I understand you correctly.
you're suggesting somebody threaten Moscow with the use of dirty bombs if they do not vacate the Ukraine?
that's your strategy, threaten a nation with global first strike nuclear capability with weapons of mass destruction...
I'm not sure that's going to work out to well for anybody, least of all the people of the Ukraine.
do you have a plan that doesn't involve a potential planetary nuclear confrontation, cause that might be a better route to go.
Every 24 hours without withdrawal then leads to another dirty bomb making another Russian city useless for thousands of years...tick tock tick tock.
I think one city would be too many but, hey, I'm not the little Napoleon in the Kremlin am I?
"I think one city would be too many but, hey, I'm not the little Napoleon in the Kremlin am I?"
No, you're just a big idiot in your own home.
Are you sitting there at your computer playing with yourself with one hand while typing with the other? It seems like you're getting off on this idea. You can't stop talking about it.
Sick fuck.
Then get ready for your neck of the woods to be glass and ash.
Payback's a bitch.
People who live in glass houses...
We all live in that house, idiot. So rooting for the little Napoleon in the Kremlin is so very, very stupid. Think about it is you have that capacity.
Backs to the wall it all works. if only they could find an old nuke thats not been declared.
Chernobyl...and there are multiple sources in Ukraine reactor number4. Consult with TVEL.
Who needs piker dirty nukes when we have Fuckyoushima? A dirty nuke for the whole fucking planet.
Don't eat the nori!
Every thing is going according to someone's plan. Evil is as evil does.
Looks like EU/US started something they cannot finish. At the end of the day the EU will have supply problems and Russia will divert its natgas/oil to China in May when they finally sign the holy grail agreement. The economic impact on the EU will be felt. Looks like Russia is calling the EU's bluff with the help of Langley. Are we starring at THE BLACKSWAN???
'The War You Don't See' (2011) is a powerful and timely investigation into the media's role in war
Thanks for the suggestion, I plan to get caught up on my viewing during the upcoming nuclear winter.
Fucking love John Pilger!
People don't want war, they want peace and a decent job. So can anyone explain why we always end up with wars?
Check this out, Gurdjieff on War...
http://spiritofmaat.com/magazine/sep-oct-2012/the-solioonensius/
I had somoe troubel remembering how to spell solioonensius!
ori
Edmund Burke: "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."
Clearly, if more blood is spilled in eastern Ukraine it will have been caused by the rulers of the United States. Not only are they using banker leverage to force the Europeans to sanction Russia, even though it will seriously damage their economies, but it has brought CIA and IMF operatives into sovereign Ukraine to oust an elected government and to now force NATO, which it controls, to create a war with Russia.
The victims: the generally innocent people of Ukraine, now collateral damage in the march for a banker world government.
As I have said several times here, I cannot see a "conventional" war in Ukraine between NATO and Russia staying conventional. I give NATO two weeks at best without going tactical nuke. And we all no where that ends.
Because all the decent jobs in the US were shipped overseas in order to make a quick buck for the .01% and now the chickens are coming home to roost?
Not just the US. The khazars setup China to strip the entire world of well paying jobs and then for their own sick pleasure, start WWW III.
No, the jobs were stripped mined from the U.S. for strategic reasons. I certainly can't fully elucidate the "WHY" of that action but it wasn't because of profits. The bankers have all the profits they need, it's for a greater strategic purpose. My guess is to level the overall lifestyle levels throughout the world in order to enact their NWO. If both the EU and US collapse into 3rd world conditions, that would go a long way towards leveling living standards around the world. Not sure this is valid, but it has been weighing on my mind.
doing business in China, I must remind you that the jobs in China also have a major cost that you are not taking in to the account. The pollution is horrible there and they are headed to a major enviromental crisis. Maybe the strategy was to keep western world livable until the pollution kills of a nice chunck of the total population.
Because it ALWAYS worx out, until it doesn't.
mass media incessantly indoctrinates people into wanting 'jobs' rather than any real personal enterprise.
Rent, taxes, food, something something...
The ousted president declared that CIA chief John Brennan visited Ukraine and it was after the meeting that the coup-imposed authorities in Kiev ordered a military operation in the country’s east.
The secret clandestine meetings in Europe by U.S. intelligence remind one of the suspicions regarding Allen Dulles in ties to German leaders during WWII, working for OSS. Dulles was first director of the CIA and co-founder of the CFR with his brother John Foster Dulles, Eisenhower’s Secretary of State.
The establishment story was that Dulles was gathering secrets concerning Hitler but later many accused him of creating a financial network among Nazi corporations, American oil, and Saudi Arabia.
He also was suspected of successfully directing the smuggling of Nazi money back to his western clients, carefully evading Allied surveillance. As well, Dulles was suspected as a key to the financing for Hitler’s Germany.
Dulles helped a number of German Jews, such as the banker Paul Kemper, gain entry into the United States from Nazi Germany.
And to top off a highly controversial career (coups in Iran and Guatemala, Bay of Pigs, sabotage against Cuba, etc.), Allen Dulles was part of the Warren Commission investigating the assassination of Kennedy.
Perhaps the most sickening aspect of the career of Allen Dulles concerns his knowledge of the plot to assassinate Hitler from within the German military.
The plotters kept Dulles (in Europe with the OSS) consistently briefed on developments concerning the plot. Official and establishment history says the U.S. barred Dulles from channeling support to the plotters for the assassination of Hitler July 20, 1944.
One wonders just who it was who thought this chance to end the war was not in the interest of the United States and the lives of hundreds of thousands.
Bankers. Plain and simple.
"The use of the term ("Unconditional Surrender") was revived during World War II at the Casablanca conference when American President Franklin D. Roosevelt (FDR) sprang it on the other Allies and the press as the objective of the war against the Axis Powers of Germany, Italy, and Japan.[4] And, when President Roosevelt suddenly announced this surrender condition at Casablanca, he did so referencing U.S.Grant and the fact that the famous general's initials, since the Civil War, had also come to stand for "Unconditional Surrender". (In doing so, however, FDR had erroneously referred to Grant as "Ulysses Simpson Grant", which actually was the name of the general's grandson, who had served during both World Wars.) The term was also used at the end of World War II when Japan surrendered to the Allies. Winston Churchill and Joseph Stalin disapproved of the demand for unconditional surrender, as did most senior U.S. officials." in WIKIPEDIA
"... Ukraine has mobilized its armed forces to launch a "full-scale anti-terrorist operation" against pro-Russian separatists.”
Just like King George III launched a full scale anti-terrorist operation against those damn upstart American colonists.
Appears they had too , as all locals forces resigned, or joined the protesters.
The attempted crackdown this morning failed at the outskirts,followed by a hasty withdrawl.
The Kiev Govt. is falling apart. and I wonder how many troops will not muster ?
What kind of terrorism is that could make "all locals forces resigned, or joined the protesters"?
Freedom? Definitely, the Kiev zio-nazi Junta hate freedom.
Please to meet you, hope you guess my name.
The soldiers don't want to be doing the dirty work of an illegitimate regime that seized power in Kiev.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwhErv6Wujc
There is many forces all levels to local militia switching sides, refusing to act against citizens, quitting...go home to family etc
media won't report this
There is many forces all levels to local militia switching sides, refusing to act against citizens, quitting...go home to family etc
media won't report this
Yes....SAKER: http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2014/04/ukraine-sitrep-april-12-1806-est-and.html
So we have the separatists on one side presumably with plenty of GRU operatives among them and the Ukrainian army with a few Blackwater contractors on the other. So it's GRU vs Blackwater. I wonder who will win this.
I live in the EU - I have two passports, Gold, cash and a getaway plan if this war goes nuclear. I am taking my family as far away as possible from this continent if it breaks out. Back to my roots it will be.
Where are your roots? I promise we'll keep it a secret.
Have you considered that if such a thing happens, your country's borders will likely get closed?
I doubt he has considered anything seriously. He's hoping and wishing.
If he's in Europe and it goes Nuclear, it'll be a week too late to go anywhere.
Unless his "Roots" are in a deep Swiss bunker or the upper atmoshere, he's gonna be just like the rest of Europe (and possibly the rest of Western Civ)
Here is a tip for you Euro Cats (and the rest of you too):
Read this:
http://www.madisoncountyema.com/nwss.pdf
You think you will get through the airport security thugs with your gold? lol
lol
Don't kid yourself... you're not going anywhere.
You'll be dead or locked down.
Better be close to the coast, and have your own boat then. Forget the normal
channels of transportation.Everything will be comandeered if you wait too long.
Dear Mr Manuel Barroso,
Now's your chance.
Don your flak jacket, pick up your water pistol and head off to Ukraine to fight for liberty and freedom of the East Ukraine people who so desperately want to join the bankrupt EU socialist utopia. Listening to your droning Marxist sermons day after day, hour after hour is icing on the cake. They just can't wait to become debt slaves to Western banksters and their door is always open to the IMF.
Off you go now.
Barozo is a Maoist. He is on an entirely different level of mass murderer worship.
He is a maoist in CIA paylist. Operation Gladio finance those "supose" extreme leftist to discredit the commies during the Cold War era. If not, how could he ascend to present post if he is not a trustworthy of the banksters?
“It's been a rough year for the politician, but at least he has his millions of dollars to ease the pain. 58-year-old José Manuel Barroso has taken the No. 1 spot on People With Money’s top 10 highest-paid politicians for 2014 with an estimated $58 million in combined earnings… pulling in an astonishing $58 million between March 2013 and March 2014, a nearly $30 million lead over his closest competition.” –MEDIAMASS, April 13, 2014
All this in one year; it appears Mr. Barroso is in a key position to help someone.
http://en.mediamass.net/people/jose-manuel-barroso/highest-paid.html
One day someone will explain how it is that Marxists/Maoists like Barroso who preach equality and all the other socialist dogma, happen to be millionaires:
Several years ago when Britain had a referendum on whether to adopt a proportional representation voting system, the ex-Leader of the socialist Labour Party Neil Kinnock (later parachuted in to being an EU Commissioner charged with sorting out the EU accounts which auditors had refused to sign off for years due to EUR billions missing) was exposed himself for making large investments (UKP tens of thousands) in the company tipped to be the supplier of the vote counting machines if PR went ahead. He went round the country promoting PR as being much "fairer".
Sadly for him, British voters threw out the whole idea.
"Smart stock investments"? The Hillary technique.
Futures, not stocks. Cattle, if I recall correctly. The orders were backdated at the end of the day. Wonder if anything ever came of that?
Asshole Barroso left his own country in debt and in the gutter to become this "star politician" with a big payday. I hope Karma remembers this cocksucker.
Exactly.
There was a Portuguese guy on a forum a while back who said "Barroso was the most hated politician in Portugal".
Barroso got the job due to his star perfomance in Azores which cause the Iraq tragedy with hundreds of thousands innocents deaths and a country destroyed.
Is good to remember this guy made his career upon the corpses of thousands of iraquis deaths.
Azores press conference Press conference hosted by US president George Bush, British prime minister Tony Blair, Spanish prime minister Jose Maria Aznar and Portugal's prime minister Jose Durao Barroso, The Azores, March 16, 2003PRIME MINISTER BARROSO: Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. I am very pleased to welcome here in the Azores the leaders of three friends and allied countries, the United States, Spain and United Kingdom. President Bush, Prime Minister Aznar, and Prime Minister Tony Blair...
President Bush: The dictator of Iraq and his weapons of mass destruction are a threat to the security of free nations. He is a danger to his neighbours. He's a sponsor of terrorism. He's an obstacle to progress in the Middle East. For decades he has been the cruel, cruel oppressor of the Iraq people. On this very day 15 years ago, Saddam Hussein launched a chemical weapons attack on the Iraqi village of Halabja. With a single order the Iraqi regime killed thousands of men and women and children, without mercy or without shame. Saddam Hussein has proven he is capable of any crime. We must not permit his crimes to reach across the world.
Saddam Hussein has a history of mass murder. He possesses the weapons of mass murder. He agrees - he agreed to disarm Iraq of these weapons as a condition for ending the Gulf War over a decade ago. The United Nations Security Council, in Resolution 1441, has declared Iraq in material breach of its longstanding obligations, demanding once again Iraq's full and immediate disarmament, and promised serious consequences if the regime refused to comply.
That resolution was passed unanimously and its logic is inescapable; the Iraqi regime will disarm itself, or the Iraqi regime will be disarmed by force. And the regime has not disarmed itself. Action to remove the threat from Iraq would also allow the Iraqi people to build a better future for their society. And Iraq's liberation would be the beginning, not the end, of our commitment to its people.
We will supply humanitarian relief, bring economic sanctions to a swift close, and work for the long-term recovery of Iraq's economy. We'll make sure that Iraq's natural resources are used for the benefit of their owners, the Iraqi people. Iraq has the potential to be a great nation. Iraq's people are skilled and educated. We'll push as quickly as possible for an Iraqi interim authority to draw upon the talents of Iraq's people to rebuild their nation. We're committed to the goal of a unified Iraq, with democratic institutions of which members of all ethnic and religious groups are treated with dignity and respect.
To achieve this vision, we will work closely with the international community, including the United Nations and our coalition partners. If military force is required, we'll quickly seek new Security Council resolutions to encourage broad participation in the process of helping the Iraqi people to build a free Iraq. Crucial days lie ahead for the world. I want to thank the leaders here today, and many others, for stepping forward and taking leadership, and showing their resolve in the cause of peace and the cause of security. Jose Maria...
Q I was asking the Portuguese Prime Minister, how does he see the result of this summit. Does the Prime Minister think that starting now, Portugal has more responsibilities with this war that seems to be inevitable?
PRIME MINISTER BARROSO: The results of the summit, as I described them and as all the other heads of state and government said it, too, this summit is - this is the last opportunity for a political solution to this very serious problem for the international community. This has been said here. It's been said here that tomorrow - tomorrow we'll start with these last initiatives towards a political solution. And it's for that reason I am very, very happy with the results of this summit.
Now, coming to our responsibility in case there is a conflict, I must say that the responsibility falls entirely on the dictator Saddam Hussein. He bears the entire responsibility because he has not respected for all of these years international law and consistently violated the UN resolutions. And in that case, if there is a conflict, I want to repeat it once more, Portugal will be next - side by side with his allies. And the fact that we are here today in the Azores with the United States, with Spain and with the UK, this is very significant.
As it's been said here before, the transatlantic relationship is very, very important, not only for Europe and for the U.S., but it's very important for the whole world. I remember a few days ago, Kofi Annan in the European conference in Brussels, said the same thing - he said this is very important. It's very important for Europe and the US to remain united and not separate, because the world needs the US and Europe working together towards the same direction, in the same sense - not only about the security, but also fighting under-development and all the other tasks that fall to the international community....
PRESIDENT BUSH: Tomorrow is the day that we will determine whether or not diplomacy can work. And we sat and visited about this issue, about how best to spend our time between now and tomorrow. And as Prime Minister Blair said, we'll be working the phones and talking to our partners and talking to those who may now clearly understand the objective, and we'll see how it goes tomorrow.
Saddam Hussein can leave the country, if he's interested in peace. You see, the decision is his to make. And it's been his to make all along as to whether or not there's the use of the military. He got to decide whether he was going to disarm, and he didn't. He can decide whether he wants to leave the country. These are his decisions to make. And thus far he has made bad decisions....
PRIME MINISTER BLAIR: The issue is very simply this, that we cannot have a situation where what happens through the United Nations, having agreed to 1441, having said there would be serious consequences if he does not co-operate fully and unconditionally, what we cannot have is a situation where we simply go back for endless discussion.
Now, we have provided the right diplomatic way through this, which is to lay down a clear ultimatum to Saddam: Co-operate or face disarmament by force. And that is entirely within the logic, the letter, the spirit of 1441. And that is why - all the way through we have tried to provide a diplomatic solution. After over four and a half months since we passed Resolution 1441, we're now three months on from the declaration that Saddam on the 8th of December that not a single person in the international community - not one - believes was an honest declaration of what he had. And yet, 1441 said, the first step of co-operation was to make an honest declaration.
So when people say haven't we exhausted all the diplomatic avenues, we tried exhausting. But understand from our perspective and from the perspective of the security of the world, we cannot simply go back to the Security Council, for this discussion to be superseded by that discussion, to be superseded by another discussion. That's what's happened for 12 years. That's why he's still got the weapons of mass destruction. We have to come to the point of decision. And that really is what the next period of time is going to be about.....
Q I'm from the BBC. Can I ask, first of all, Prime Minister Blair - you said that you want a second resolution to be put down and voted on. Could we be clear; is that what's going to happen tomorrow, under all circumstances? And either way - also, if I may, for President Bush - if you don't get that second resolution, what is the future for the United Nations? You talked about Saddam Hussein dividing world community. Surely, he succeeded.
PRIME MINISTER BLAIR: Well, on your last point, I think this is one of the things that is tragic about this situation, that Saddam plays these games and we carry on allowing him to play them. Now, we will do, in the next period of time, with respect to the resolution, what we believe to be in the interest of the UN.
But I would say why I think it is so important that even now, at this late stage, we try to get the United Nations to be the root of resolving this - because the threat is there and everyone accepts it: the threat of weapons of mass destruction, the threat of weapons of mass destruction in the hands of terrorists who will cause maximum damage to our people. Everybody accepts the disarmament of Saddam has to happen. Everybody accepts that he was supposed to co-operate fully with the inspectors....
PRESIDENT BUSH: I was the guy that said they ought to vote. And one country voted - at least showed their cards, I believe. It's an old Texas expression, show your cards, when you're playing poker. France showed their cards. After I said what I said, they said they were going to veto anything that held Saddam to account. So cards have been played. And we'll just have to take an assessment after tomorrow to determine what that card meant.
Let me say something about the UN It's a very important organisation. That's why I went there on September the 12th, 2002, to give the speech, the speech that called the UN into account, that said if you're going to pass resolutions, let's make sure your words mean something. Because I understand the wars of the 21st century are going to require incredible international co-operation. We're going to have to co-operate to cut the money of the terrorists, and the ability for nations, dictators who have weapons of mass destruction to provide training and perhaps weapons to terrorist organisations. We need to co-operate, and we are. Our countries up here are co-operating incredibly well.
And the UN must mean something. Remember Rwanda, or Kosovo. The UN didn't do its job. And we hope tomorrow the UN will do its job. If not, all of us need to step back and try to figure out how to make the UN work better as we head into the 21st century. Perhaps one way will be, if we use military force, in the post-Saddam Iraq the UN will definitely need to have a role. And that way it can begin to get its legs, legs of responsibility back.
But it's important for the UN to be able to function well if we're going to keep the peace. And I will work hard to see to it that at least from our perspective, that the UN is able to be - able to be a responsibility body, and when it says something, it means it, for the sake of peace and for the sake of the security, for the capacity to win the war of - the first war of the 21st century, which is the war against terrorism and weapons of mass destruction in the hands of dictators. Thank you all.
PRIME MINISTER BARROSO: Thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen. This is the end of the conference. Have a good trip.
WE MUST NEVER FORGET THOSE CRIMINALS HAVE BLOOD OF NOT ONLY THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF INNOCENTS IRAQUIS, BUT ALSO THE ALLIES TROOPS SENT TO IRAQ AND DIES DUE TO THEIR LIES.
THIS MUST BE REMMEMBER AD NAUSEA SO HISTORY MUST NOT BE REPEATED IN UKRAINE.
This begs the questions: Why did all these leaders select the Azores for their conference? Why Portugal?
The answer: Barroso volunteered so he could be a part of the “solution,” part of the spoils.
As for Bush’s pointed question: “Does the Prime Minister think that starting now, Portugal has more responsibilities with this war that seems to be inevitable?”
Barroso ducked the question and seemed to say: You fight and we’ll be right in line behind all the others.
And the "political solution" became war..."this war that seems to be inevitable."
"Why did all these leaders select the Azores for their conference? Why Portugal?"
You are right, that guy volunteer as an oportunistic carrerist to help zio USA/UK to break the resistence of Franco-German opposition of war.
He can take the five billion dollar bionic woman Victoria Nuland, Queen Kagan, with him. "Let them eat cookies."
Why does that woman still have a job on my payroll?
Because Mission WW III is not yet accomplished.
Ozero, Valerie, Victoria, Secretary of War McCain and their ilk have gotten their war - by playing a slick game of "Let's you and him fight".
The NEXT MOVE that must happen in this real life game of Risk, is a Diplomatic attack by the Russians -- not a military one:
Russia must seek and APPEAR to seek global consensus and support for peace, by tabling a UN Security Council initiative, to have the UN send in Blue Helmets and avert civil war. IOW, do what the Clinton/Albright did in Serbia/Kosovo - or pretended to do.
Even though the US (and its troubled petro-dollar/debt-dollar) don't want anything else than to play the Blame Game ("pin the donkey"), Russia has NO choice but to expose their underhanded and sinister game for the whole world to see.
If Russia wants to keep the EU piece from being controlled by the US (in a master-slave relationship via the CBs), then it must keep that natural/evolutionary path of economic re-alignment (of Eurasia) on track, and not allow the self-serving Anglo-American alliance from playing spoil-sport with manufactured provocations that damage Russia's reputation and keep the EU in bondage to the Fed and the US.
Lavrov MUST go to the UN... NOW. If/when the duplicity of the Obama regime (and its handlers) is exposed at the UN, then and only then can Russia act militarily.
Kirk out.
p.s. If this deliberate act of military and political escalation (crafted and sponsored by the US regime) goes unchecked, it will lead to a disruption of Oil+Gas to the EU. Russia then get "pinned"/blamed by the Europeans, not the US.
And that is PRECISELY what the US wants: To mortally damage the EU-Asian economic re-alignment. And this keep the EU entangled in the tentacles of its monetary vampire-squid. IOW, it's about averting the eminent dethroning of the petro-dollar as the GRC (Global Reserve Currency), and its demotion to a RRC (Regional Reserve Currency).
W/o the GRC status the wealth and lifestyle of TPTB are damaged for decades. Its many parasitic beneficiaries (the MIC, the 0.1% and Israel) would have to live within their means, and earn an "honest living" for a change.
Note also, that if things escalate militarily between the "Ukraine regime" (not the same as "Ukraine") and Russia, that Russia must crank up its PR game/war in the EU and the world, that it is acting to also protect the economic interests of the EU, by securing the oil/gas pipelines and pumping stations. It front-runs US/DOD/CIA attempts to cause that disruption or shutdown. In the meantime, they must let the EU and the world (US) know that the Southstream pipelines (under the Black Sea) will continue, to ensure EU's future energy needs.
IOW: Fuck you, NWO Neocons!
Kirk, Lavrov's apparently reading your posts. +100
Moscow slams Kiev’s military op order as ‘criminal’, calls for UNSC meetinghttp://www.blacklistednews.com/Moscow_slams_Kiev%E2%80%99s_military_op_o...
That's an interesting idea, I had been saying that Putin should secure eastern Ukraine quickly but that would obviously be playing right into US hands. You are right that time is of the essence, at the very least Putin should have special forces scouring the countryside for US agents to make them disappear before they can stir up trouble.
In the past, the UN has pretty much done the US's bidding. Perhaps that would change since the economies of many NATO and EU nations would be severely impacted by an angry Russian Bear. They would also have very vocal support from the BRICS and many other countries. Putin seems insistent on not looking like an aggressor, such a move would be consistent with his current rational course of action.
I don't think any of the US duplicity will be exposed, and if it is the news won't make it into MSM. Obama doesn't need much public consent to launch military action, he just can't have too much dissent. American public dissent, based on current weather patterns under the US propaganda biodome, seems unlikely.
@Kirk
Well reasoned. I like your plan. Lavrov is an articulate and capable man. Russia's hand is a bit weaker than I had anticipated. They MUST take the initiative with such a plan. Russia cannot afford to wait and react to Ukrainian provocations.
I am somewhat more optimistic than the thoughtful poster, 813, who replied to your excellent comment in kind.
I am pessimistic based on the many other recent US military misadventures. The US seems intent on ratcheting up the tension in spite of logic and reason, which leads me to believe that it currently has a tenuous grip on sanity. Putin cannot afford to let the US get a foothold in eastern Ukraine, it's worse than bedbugs and much more dangerous.
The US has consistently sidestepped the UN, there is not much reason to think that it will change behavior. It also spent considerable effort to get this mess started, far more than in Syria. The US, like the good Capitalist it is, likes to get a healthy ROI.
The threat to the petrodollar, and dollar in general, is very real. I'm sure that the BRICS always had designs on moving away from the dollar, but the US pushed their hand. Financial chaos benefits no one, I think that the BRICS, and China in particular because of their dollar exposure, would have preferred to guide the dollar to a soft landing.
Market turmoil could be weeks, months, possibly even a couple years away depending upon how many fingers the FED grows to plug the dike. But it is coming and it won't be pretty. The sad thing is that this could have been managed and maybe avoided if the US were even halfway reasonable.
I think the US wants to keep the possibility of military intervention in their back pocket for use as distraction if there is a sudden interruption to the American Dream. UN intervention might keep the dogs of war at bay for a bit, but the US seems to only cooperate until it's not convenient anymore. Devious thinking, but I would rule out no possibility for the current administration.
I really hope I'm wrong, but that is reality as I see it.
Consider that Putin can drain the US more rapidly by getting us to open up more fronts against him?
We are militarily and politically committed in and around Syria, Persian Gulf, Africa, S.W. Asia, the entire Pacific Theater, the Arctic, S. America, C. America, to a lessor degree in Europe (West and East).
Now we are going to open up Peace Enforcement operations in Ukraine?
At what point will we be spread so thin that we are unable to respond to hostile actions taken in any area (other than domestically)?
This is like one guy surrounding a neighborhood by driving around it in a car and yelling out the window with a megaphone that he has you surrounded... It only works until someone calls the bluff.
Putin is watching us go down just like the 91-93 USSR went down... Ukraine may well be the final nail in the coffin of US "Internationalism" just as AF was the USSR's.
This guy pretty well sums up your theory that the US State Dept has (at best) a tenuous grip on reality in this post on his blog... (Warning: Do not drink all of his koolaid until you understand just what you are dealing with by reading up on what he named his blog after)
http://20committee.com/2014/03/16/nobody-knows-anything/
It's all a real mess.
Holy Shit, now I'm 'scared': http://rt.com/news/ukraine-russia-operation-criminal-288/
Now note the date/time stamp... Published time: April 13, 2014 19:34, and compare it to that of my post at 16:00. Coincidence? Hopefully, for my sake.
I'd better watch my mouth, or MIB will come a knocking on my door, and ream & beam me via their Transporter. Scotty!?
You need a few Red Shirts on the payroll. The bad guys always take out the Red Shirts first. Those guys can be your canary in a coal mine. Red Shirts start disappearing, Kirk goes underground.
Many of the Police and Special Forces that have been sequested to remove these Protestors refuse to act on their orders. The majority of local police have joined the protestors and the Special Forces refused to remove the protestors from Donetsk on Saturday because "they are trained to fight terrorists not civilians"
Any force will have to come from west of Ukraine. Don't think civil war wasn't the plan all along by Nuland and co. Everywhere they go they leave civil war, car bombings and death and destruction.
SAKER: http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2014/04/ukraine-sitrep-april-12-1806-est-and.html
Look at the chaos they've created in Syria. A few hundred thousand dead. Iraq, at least 1 million dead. But none dare call it a holocaust.
I am from the US Goveernment,..and we are here to help!
UBER-BULLISH!
I'm long on Dirty Bombs in Moscow...
"Novictim" you are either insane, retarded, or a lousey troll. Go somewhere else. Please spare us any more of your idiotic comments. Most of the people on this website can actually think for themselves and form coherent thoughts and rational arguments based on facts.
N'uh, you're all terrorist conspiracy theorists plotting evil deeds that need to be brought to just us. Reasoned debate is just the shield you use to hide your evil intent from the lights of day.
Just so you can stop worrying, noless...anyone with a brain can see your post was sarcasm. Perhaps you need to post somewhere that has folks with a brain? You got seven down votes by the brainless...and then there are those who could not decide. LOL
It's all about the US PETRO DOLLAR, i.e., the exclusivity of the USD as the world's reserve "currency" for international commodity trading.
http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/Broadcast/Entries/2014/4/13_Dr._P...
In his analysis “a currency based upon natural gas, which is the same (CH4) wherever it is, and is in fairly common use by the public globally, would be a much better candidate” than an oil-based global currency.
And for those world leaders from China to London who may be thinking of the possibility of the collapse of the petrodollar, the Russian-Ukraine natural gas crisis is extremely critical.
C.C.: “I’ve always been interested in solving market problems, and a replacement for the dollar is perhaps one of the greatest market conundrums there is.
“I no longer envisage an oil-based currency, because firstly, there are too many distinct qualities and grades, and secondly, very few individuals have a need for crude oil, as opposed to oil products, and therefore an oil-based currency would not be based on something with a use value to individuals.”
Europe’s problem now with natural gas supplies is because the EU and the Americans have tried to take Ukraine away the Russian zone of influence. As such, Russia’s view is that if Ukraine cannot work with Russia now to pay its huge overdue gas bill, the EU is responsible.
Russia delivers large quantities to Ukraine and much of it is carried in pipelines to a number of other European countries supplying as much as one-fourth of Europe’s consumption. In the past, when Ukraine and Russia have had disputes over unpaid gas bills, and gas deliveries were suspended, Ukraine shut off the gas to Europe, keeping supplies for itself. Now Russia is faced with a huge unpaid bill and threats from the West and is simply deciding if it wants to keep delivering gas when it no longer has influence in Ukraine.
Natural gas experts suggest there is little chance of Europe getting a substitute for natural gas within several years. If the U.S. intends to politically demonize and marginalize Russia, the citizens of Europe are going to pay the price.
http://goldswitzerland.com/the-petrodollar-is-either-dead-or-dying/
If LNG condensates offer half of what they say, the game is on.
When you turn pollution into a viable product while at the same time reducing harmful emissions there's a word that applies, it's called winning.
I don't believe it, but fuck, maybe it could happen.
It appears that LNG supplies in a quantity enough to help with European consumption is several years away.
If I was an Eastern European right now, I would buy a new bicycle, a spare set of tyres for it and a case of Scotch for barter. Head Southwest and pray.
Everyone that disagrees with the globalists is branded a 'terr'ist."
Who elected the Ukrainian leader? GS?
Has Foodstamp tweeted from the course about this situation yet?
"Got my red marker ready. #FSA #peaceprize #blamebush"
I feel bad for the citizens of Ukraine. They are in a bad spot right now, caught between a rock and a hard place. Hopefully military action, whatever the outcome, will be sharp, swift and decisive enough to spare them a long and bloody war.
The Ukrainian army will not attack Ukrainian civilians in East Ukraine. Only the neo-Nazi "National Guard" would. If Washington/CIA are ordering this, expect a big war.
Allegedly, these actions were "green lighted" by the CIA.
moneyjunkies are taking us to war
Wish I could get my hands on one of those AK-100 series rifles.
Watching this, now transparent, US tactic of destablizing other countries, being used by a moron, I wonder if we also caused Yugoslavia's civil war.
In the history books wil be written that Oleksandr Turchínov (puchist and self proclaimed acting president of Ucrania) after a meeting with cia boss started a ww3. This is how fast you can get famous if you dance with khazar banksters.
Texas, study this for your game plan.
US shooting attacks leave three dead at Jewish community centre and retirement home in Kansas City..... BBC
Is this going to be like Hungary? Egg 'em on, then abandonen them? These "occupiers" are not a bunch of people who need showers taking over a park near Wall Street. These Russian dudes are tough and mean. Plus they are fighting at home and can go home at night.
Meanwhile, a ZeroHedge reader goes on a rampage at a Jewish school.
O no! False flag! Jews shoot each other and blame it on Nazis because, obviously, there are NO nazis, no sir, not around here! Sure, you fucking assholes. Not as if someone on here yesterday asked if I bake my matzo with blood.
Fuck you. When you've lost the few mainstream, coherent people who agree with your economics, and cater to the lowest of the low racist scum, the result is what this board has turned into. Sorry Tyler, you fucked it and your followers are shitheads. You don't call them out for being racists. It's a sad state of affairs when the first thing I think of after hearing about a shooting of a 15 year old Jewish kid, simply because of his race, is the conversation I had here yesterday with a bunch of your pinhead redneck sycophants.
Adios, shitheads.
You're clearly insane.
Please go away.
I'm not insane. There's one reason, and one reason only, that people on this forum want to back Putin. It's the same reason that, in spite of (according to you all) the new Ukrainian gov't being "fascist", Marie Le Pen just went to Moscow to meet with him.
Putin is pulling the classic Stalinist trick of buddying up with the euro-fascists, while attacking ethnic minorities in the Russian sphere as being "cosmopolitan" traitors to the west. And all up and down this board, I watch you neo-nazis suck this horseshit up, regurgitate Russia Today and Xinhua as if it were God's Own Truth, and make every kind of racist anti-semitic comment you can possibly make at the same time.
Fuck you, you racist, stupid, dumbass unemployed sacks of shit. I'm not insane - you are the same fucking people who are out in the street shooting innocent kids like what happened in Kansas City today. You are part of it. I have no love for what the US gov't has turned into, but you've fully alienated a potential ally and frankly I hope you roast in hell with the shitstorm you bring down on yourselves.
Just feel the "love" flowing from a chosen as their mythology has been exposed as a hoax and their devotion to theft via Bolshevism has been exposed. It is you that is filled with hate, envy and greed. Deal with it.
All I see is a guy with what looks like a Jew-fro and a buckskin jacket, copy/pasting Adolf Hitler as if he was coming up with this shit.
Find out why you hate Jews. It's probably a problem with yourself.
i hate jews banksters because they try to destroy euro after looting us with sub prime ponzi sheme.
Facts: Since 2010, Soros, Rubini, Larry Summers, Paul Dundes Wolfowitz, Paul Krugman and others jewish economics gurus from wall street are spreading rumors about the break of euro. Provoking a credit crunch in international financial market for euro sovereignty bonds. And with the help of wall street rating agencies downgrade, even force multinational investments funds to sell down euro denominate bonds, due to their regulate status..
There are plenty of non-jewish bankers also. And not all Jews are bankers. One thing has nothing to do with the other. It's like saying that all Russians or all Italians are Mafia.
It's worse than that. It's like if the next time you meet an Italian or a Russian, you say, "you know, I hate your people because they're gangsters," and anything they say you respond, "well, you're from the mafia so I hope you die."
That's what it's like. At least, that's what it feels like, to me, as a person who has no relationship to any bankers -- I don't know if this can make sense to you if you've never felt that.
why dont you critised those guys that ruined Greece and put 10 millions people in misery and poverty, just by controlling the media and spreading false rumour?
You really need to calm down.
Or his Bolshevik ancestors, the likes of kaganovich in the NKVD who slaughtered 100 million Russians?
The most reasonable comment that you have made. Now I can relate to you.
"Just feel the "love" flowing from a chosen"
I do not represent Jews - so stop prancing on stage, pointing to me like a fucking nazi for your "audience" and pretending every word that I say is representative of THEM.
I am an anti-racist and anti-Nazi. You disgust me. That's all.
Then act like it. Where are the Jews calling out the neocon madness we are witnessing? Crickets....There are none because you're all bonded to a false mythology and clinging to your victim status and prancing about due to an inbred superiority complex.
Actually, shithead, I joined this board because I'm a libertarian, and about as anti-Fed and anti-neocon as you are likely to find anywhere. Only now I feel kind of stupid, since I realize that everyone else here is a nazi who'd like to pull my teeth out, as someone nicely told me yesterday.
Everyone here's a nazi because they don't buy the MSM bullshit? If you are so anti-neocon, where's your outrage at this shit! What you are seeing on this board and throughout the world is that people are seeing through the bullshit, finding their voice and organizing and taking action. The old tricks no longer work.
Right now I can't focus on this shit, because I am focused on you and your brothers here spewing things from pulling my teeth out one by one to "shouldn't you be baking matzos with christian children's blood?" to finding my profile online to khazar theory (which means jack shit to me, I don't care, but it's a common thing for antisemites to harp on as "proof" that Jews aren't actually Jews, or something which if that's the case then why do you find it so important to attack us?
I would love to just get into serious discussions here about the issues. the problem is that every other word out of people's mouths is somehow a slur against my race. All the way down to the Russian above who just said it's "not a race". Well if it's not a race, again, why is it that you spend so much time attacking people who are part of a non-race? If you spent 1/10th the words attacking black people on this forum that you do attacking Jews, this would be considered a white power, neo-nazi board.
Basically, you are openly, blatantly racist and that makes it impossible to have a civilized discussion until certain things are cleared up -- namely, that while my politics may actually coincide with yours far more than you realize, you are totally alienating people based on your racism alone. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one.
So now I'm a racist because I am pointing out the identity of a group of sick psychopaths who believe the world is there's to pillage? Sure we could all dance around and say it's the Russians, or the liberals or the republicans but that's the problem. Is it all the Jews causing this problem? Obviously not but until the world has the courage to point out the source of the illness, the neocon New Bolsheviks, things will only get worse for everyone.
Look, someone who doesn't think very differently from you just went into a school and an old age home and killed three people simply because they were Jewish.
Where is your outrage?
Ha. So now I think like some whacked out kid, probably on SSRI drugs. You're a gem. I'm against any form of killing innocent people.
First, dont be certain of the cause of that tragedy. Wait for the results from investigation. And dont jump to conclusion to input the fault for people that are victims of zio-jews banksters. We have the right to disgust for what they did to us all.
Second, where are your outrage when the same tragedy happen in others schools with dozen of children killed?
Those three deaths are terrible, but do you feel the same way about the then H.S. students burned to death on that bus in California? How about all those inner city randon shootings? Are some lives more important than others?
Perhaps that has to do with the manner in which you present your arguments?
Rather than whatever god you might worship.
I don't worship. And so I'm not going to let some jerk (or jerks) try to shut me up and pre-emptively nullify anything I say by referring to Hitler's interpretation of the Talmud. I've never even read the fucking Talmud. Yet I know, quite well, that I am a "Jew" to the extent that plenty of people on this board would probably want to exterminate me.
Now put yourself in my shoes, where everything you say is responded to with a racial insult meant to minimize it or demean it, and tell me whether that's not cause for being pissed off.
The Canadian Jewish News website recently reported that a “holocaust” remembrance group headed by the rabid Zionist Mario Silva, a former Liberal MP from Toronto, is stepping up efforts to suppress discussion and debate about what really happened in Germany’s concentration camps during the Second World War.
The prejudicial group, which calls itself the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA), essentially defines “holocaust denial” as anything that is not in complete conformity with Zionist mythology and dogma surrounding WWII.
In his book The Holocaust Dogma of Judaism, Jewish writer Ben Weintraub argues that the holocaust story has become a new religion for Jews around the world. Historian Michael Hoffman has called the holocaust -- as it is defined by the victorious powers of WWII and their Hollywood propagandists -- “pornography” and points out that it has replaced Christianity as the state religion of the Western world.
Jewish scholar Norman Finkelstein described Organized Jewry’s campaign to mentally enslave the Western populace with ethnocentric and dogmatic memes relating to Jewish victimhood during the WWII period as a multi-billion dollar industry and extortion racket designed to bolster Israel and Zionist power.
Other historians, such as Jurgen Graf and Carlo Mattogno, have argued that the official holocaust story, which was handed down to the public by murderous governments headed by genocidaires like Stalin, Churchill and Roosevelt, contains lies and exaggerations deliberately created to hide Allied atrocities and mask Zionist depravity vis-à-vis the ethnic cleansing of Palestine.
The Zionists’ delusional campaign to extirpate debate about this topic will inevitably have the opposite effect. By attempting to inculcate Orwellian conformity by enforcing – through threats of financial deprivation or imprisonment -- rigid parameters around this one historical event, the Zionists exude a certain overzealousness that usually emanates from a position of weakness and insecurity.
If the Zionists have such a strong argument to back up their story, why then do they need to legislate against dissenting opinions? Why did the Zionists lobby get dozens of European governments to enact Stalinist “holocaust denial” laws to prevent skeptics from voicing their views and findings? As former Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad asked, why prohibit research on this subject if the evidence for it is so solid and irrefutable?
Many thousands of innocent researchers and writers are languishing in European jails simply for conducting forensic and documentary research pertaining to Germany’s policy towards Jews during the Second World War. Since their findings do not conform to orthodox belief, they are hounded and harassed, fined and imprisoned, much like Galileo was for contradicting the official doctrines of the Catholic Church.
This monstrosity is allowed to take place with very little protest from supposed defenders of free speech. The mass media operates in conjunction with the main Zionist groups to vilify revisionist researchers and cover up the mistakes and distortions of incompetent “holocaust” scholars like Raul Hilberg and Deborah Lipstadt.
At the Toronto show trial of Ernst Zundel in 1985, Hilberg testified for the prosecution who sought to send Zundel to jail for publishing a revisionist booklet titled Did Six Million Really Die? Hilberg was cross-examined by Zundel’s defence lawyer Douglas Christie and was forced to make some damaging concessions to the revisionists. Hilberg admitted on the stand that there is no known Hitler order or directive outlining a plan or program to exterminate the Jews of Europe, contradicting statements he made in his own book, The Destruction of the European Jews, where he claimed just the opposite. In the second revised edition of his book, Hilberg excised all previous references to a Hitler extermination order. When asked by Christie to produce a single scientific autopsy report proving the homicidal gassing hypothesis, Hilberg told the court: “I’m at a loss.”
Deborah Lipstadt, the queen of holocaust dogmatism who aggressively attacks revisionist scholarship with erroneous smears, is also known for her utter incompetence and brazen hubris. For years, Lipstadt and other Zionist “historians” touted the now-discredited four million deaths at Auschwitz figure – a Soviet propaganda lie that was revised to around one million in 1990 (the one million figure is also contested by revisionist historians).
Lipstadt also promoted as “fact” the hugely exaggerated Majdanek death total of 1.7 million Jews. The inflated Majdanek death figure was a propaganda invention of a Moscow-based journalist named Raymond Arthur Davies who was on the payroll of the Canadian Jewish Congress. A slightly lower but likewise false figure of 1.5 million Majdanek deaths was even trumpeted at the Allied-run kangaroo court at Nuremberg after the war. The current research director of that camp, Tomasz Kranz, now estimates that 60,000 people died at Majdanek during the war.
Ian J. Kagedan, a spokesman for the Zionist-Masonic society of B’nai B’rith, clearly outlined the true agenda of “holocaust remembrance” in the Nov. 26, 1991, edition of the Toronto Star. He explained in no uncertain terms that memorializing the holocaust story “is central to the new world order” and that the Zionist vision for the world hinges upon the public acquiescing to the “holocaust’s lessons.”
In an essay dealing with this subject, Dr. Harrell Rhome pointed out that the holocaust dogma was created to deceive Gentiles into accepting a position of inferiority to Jews, “causing them to ostentatiously and obligingly revere the Chosen Ones – and support them with money.”
Perhaps we should all take a second, closer look at the events of World War II – the Zionists’ darkest secrets of all may be found there.Brandon Martinez
Please go away.