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Tanks Flying Russian Flag Enter East Ukraine City
Update: UKRAINE DEFENCE MINISTRY CONFIRMS THAT SIX ARMOURED PERSONEL CARRIERS SEIZED BY PRO-RUSSIAN FORCES ON WEDNESDAY... so, defected?
The latest development in the ongoing Ukraine escalation are reports that in the aftermath of yesterday's crackdown by Ukraine special forces against "separatists" in Krematorsk and other occupied eastern cities, in an operation which involved fighter jets and helicopters, that an armored column of military vehicles flying a Russian flag and carrying dozens of heavily armed fighters motored into the city of Slavyansk early Wednesday.
Clip summarizing the situation from AP:
The WSJ adds that "it wasn't immediately clear whether the men were Russian soldiers or local militants who had gotten their hands on military vehicles." Curiously a soldier on one said the unit was part of the 25th brigade of Ukraine's airborne forces that had switched sides and was joining the pro-Russian forces, but that couldn't be immediately confirmed."
Additional photos of the Russian-flag bearing tanks:
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More from the WSJ:
All of the men appeared to be wearing military uniforms without insignia, similar to the heavily armed uniformed men who have seized government building around the region.
Six vehicles took up positions in the center of the city outside the city council building, and dozens of men in fatigues, balaclava masks and carrying automatic weapons milled around. A crowd of about 200 locals gathered around the vehicles and began cheering when one of them showed off by driving in tight circles.
While it is unknown if Russia troops are actually operating in Ukraine - something we doubt as it would give the west far greater ammo in the campaign to demonize the "Russian invasion" - it appears that the next standoff between Ukraine soldiers and separatists will be violent and quite bloody, and explains why earlier today Russia's foreign minister said:
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Then the Bad Guys eat the good guys ... Story over.
Hey Qe I'm more for sending them to mars, since the land their occupying in tel aviv is actually an illegal occupation stolen from the rightful inhabitants!
Agreed. Mars it is. Probably where this archon-controlled species came from.
The "species" you refer to is undoubtedly a spawn of Satan, and let's be perfectly honest, mars for all intent and purpose is probably NOT far enough:-)
Your description of "archon" only applies if the average sheeple allows itself to be "ruled over". Fuck the system, the rules, and by golly fuck the tribe!
Be realistic. Mars is out.
I suggest Coral Gables. Just a change in title really. Not a lot of moving People around.
Haha monkey a little camp Coleman on every planet.
I know what's camp Coleman? Just google it my friend.
Dradles and ding dongs for snack time:-)
I don't want to see it continue.
It means civil war. There is a real anti-Russian streak in the Western Ukraine. The west didn't build that. The west just reinforced it with promises and money in return for the use of pipelines.
No amount of schadenfreude is worth the suffering the Ukrainian people will feel.
What does it matter that an unelected president is there for the next 30 days? The rest of the government were elected, with only a handful temporarily filling empty positions that Yanukovich's people left behind.
In 30 days there will be new elections. Why the rush to Civil War? What does it accomplish that cannot be accomplished in 30 days? This is serious cause for worry.
I worry that some regions have not heard from their deputies. It indicates those deputies are being controlled. And there are many different factions who may be attempting the control.
I don't trust anyone involved, not the West, not Putin, not the Ukrainian government. Just because one person in a struggle is clearly bad, does not mean the other one is good. They both can be - and more than likely ARE - bad guys.
It is all very sad.
I'd rather go with the Slavic family that loves you than with the Nazis that called you subhuman or with leaders from the Banking clan that are running the country unelected. Blood is thicker than water
So it is just a race question with you? Then the solution is simple -- race slaughter and ethnic cleansing.
No its about family, and the criminals trying to rape some of your family members, others trying to enslave them and rip them off, so the criminals are from different neighborhoods, they are the ones bent on slaughter and ethnic cleansing, have you not heard Tymoshenko wanting to nuke all the Russians in East Ukraine or the Banking cartel issuing orders to gun down any people standing up for their freedom.
What have you been smoking?
Once shooting starts, the dynamic of politics follows a harsh logic. Keep that in mind.
In an earlier comment on this article, some enlightened prick wished that "someone would just shoot someone"
It made me sick.
It made me wonder how he would feel if someone "just shot" his brother. Just to get things going.
Have we lost so much of our humanity that the death of another person is just a joke?
You should write a song about this. I think we need another song to focus peoples' minds to what is at hand.
http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=4963170
Lying off a warhead
Never coming back
Carving out a warbed
Out of tears and blood
You call him sire
A frequent liar
They're throwing fire
What do they care
Sending out destroyers
Sending out their warplanes
Arming all their bombers
I think they're all insane
Sire
You wargame player
Sire
What do you care
Fire
They're throwing fire
Liars
Frequent liars
Temujin - Agree with you on many points on this thread but not that being a Slave will make any sort of real difference in outcome. Minorities are enslaved or killed depending on who is ruling and what led to the ruling. How did the Slavs do under Stalin? Short memory? Putin isn't Stalin (yet time will tell), he is very shrewd but don't expect me to join the Putin dick sucking competition. Think you will feel this way as you see Russian nuke heading toward your home?
Don't feel bad our American inside leaders sold us out for 30 pieces of silver so perhaps they are a shade worse than Putin.
Putin is not a liberator, he is an opportunist. But I do believe after the West's particularly the United States involvement in the Orange Revolution in 2004 we should have backed off the Bear. Who knows what secret alliances lay under the table and which direction they will go?
Yes.
The E.U. lovers in West Ukraine can move to Paris or Hamburg, or Greece.
and why not to USA or Israel? since Vitoria Nulland is a dual citizen of USA/Israel and she made the promise with her cookies.
Or the drunken Georgian that starved you and your family after stealing the fruits of your labor?
Hitler and Stalin were 2 subhumans cut from the same cloth.
"Hitler and Stalin were 2 subhumans cut from the same cloth"
and all those faceless banksters that live in the capitalists World
In 30 days there will be new elections.
Not if the civil war hots up. And this is precisely the reason the Kiev faction has launched their assault. If you are operating as part of a western sponsored coup why would you believe that the armed forces would act on your behalf and gun down their own relatives in support of your illegal acts?
What you likely would do is seek to initiate a conflict that gives you a reason to suspend all elections and therefore retain your grip on power. This also gives the west a reason to intervene. My hunch is that this gameplan was laid out by Brennan during his recent visit to Kiev. Ask yourself: "How often does the head of the CIA travel to a failed state to meet with those who conducted an illegal coup? Why would he do this?"
Fine analysis!
Thanks for posting this.
I now seek out the good comments by looking for the downvotes.
I do not doubt the veracity of your post, you are just passing it on. But where in that video is (Anti-govt protesters seize Ukrainian APCs, army units 'switch sides' (VIDEO) implied?
The video shows a close up shot of indeterminate troops dismounting and APC. Nothing more. The caption could say anything.
ANY "news" you will be allowed to find has an adgenda.
Question everthing.
Symptons of Blackwater fever:
Within a few days of onset there are chills, with rigor, high fever, jaundice, vomiting, rapidly progressive anemia, and dark red or black urine
"...the neocons must be raging..."
No, they are calmly recalculating how much extra cash to give Biden for his follow-up of Brennan's black bag delivery trip of money for small arms and 'unknown snipers' necessary to kill enough Kiev 'suppression' forces to falsely convince the world of 'separatist' Ukrainian illegalities that justify and require further EU and U.S. financial and military intervention.
What is working for O, Valerie, Victoria and Brennan et al, is to provoke Putin into military intervention necessary to protect and save Ukrainian Russians from Kiev stooge 'government' military threats and attacks: our shameful incompetent leaders want war, and more of their paid provocations suggest they shall have it.
http://www.intifada-palestine.com/2014/04/putin-lured-trap/
"There’s no sense talking to people who don’t want peace. It just makes them look like they are being sincere, when they’re not. Obama and Co. don’t want peace. They want regime change. They want to weaken and dismember Russia. They want to reduce Moscow’s influence over energy-dependent states in Europe by disrupting the flow of gas through Ukraine. And they want to create a justification for carrying out their imperial agenda, which means they need to make Putin look like a dangerous aggressor. The coup government’s crackdown on ethnic Russians in Donetsk and Kharkiv could lead to a Russian intervention which would provide the justification that Washington is looking for. However painful it is for Putin to watch Russian speaking Ukrainians get beaten and perhaps killed by Nazi thugs and foreign mercenaries dressed up as Ukrainian Security Forces, he should avoid sending in the troops. It’s a trap."
Tabernaque, maudit! Why can't them internets and social medias just behave the way our all-knowing leaders want them to? TPTB are not amused.
Why, pretty soon, some of those EU countries or USSA States might get the wrong ideas, and start seceding from the greater whole. And where would that leave Globalism and the NWO? Freedom, democracy and self-determination isn't what a people decide for themselves. It's what TPTB tell you it is, dammit!
/sarc
You know that trick where you pretend to sneeze and mouth the word "bullshit?"
That
Rising tension in Ukraine, yet gold price keep getting supressed. Am I missing something here?
In order for the Fed to repurchase Bundesbank gold at deflated rates, while simultaneously trying to bankrupt the gold and silver bugs, the Fed is flooding the market with Ag and Au contracts. Still waiting for physical and paper to seperate.
Ya think. LOL. Only going to get worse until the Party's Over
July when the Shanghai futures market opens.No naked contracts allowed.
^^^this.
The majority of the world is still using the "debt is money" or "full faith and credit" system.
The first society to return to a monetary system backed by real commodities and a market with all participants having the same access will prosper moving forward.
The problem for the old ways is the lack of faith.
No faith means no more credit motherfuckers...
One more reason why the Ukraine situation will get hot very soon. The US knows that the dollar is in its last days, only a war will prevent its collapse.
What do you mean no naked contracts allowed? All trades must be done by commercial traders?
Look at the GOFO rate. It is the most negative since August of last year. The price of gold will snap right back up as soon as the bullion banks finish to transfer their shorts to Hedge Funds and momentum following momo traders.
http://www.lbma.org.uk/pricing-and-statistics
Look at the sharpness of the morning downward spikes in Gold.
When it is a straight line on the drop side, they are putting serious resources into price suppression.
When it looks like a plateau followed by a cliff, followed by a lower plateau, then the suppression scheme is working.
When it looks like a plateau followed by a cliff, followed by something that looks like a heartbeat, there is serious support at the lower price level.
When it looks like uneven ground with a sharp spike downward, followed by an immediate bounce - then the suppression scheme has failed at least for the day.
Press conference question for Obama:
Mr. President, how do you say:
I promise I won't come in your city in Russian?
Hard to write with the Roman alphabet - Russians know the right way, but this will give your roughly the right words:
Ya obeshayu Ya ne preyedu k vashemu gorodu.
This is all very sad.
EVERYONE is interfering in the Ukraine. Who suffers?
The Ukrainians.
+1
It's just Ukrainians who jumped on Russian side.
Correct. Here's how it unfolded this morning in Kramatorsk:
Youtube link
And this is the saga the Kiev junta made up:
11:32 GMT:The Russian flags on Ukrainian Armored Personnel Carriers (APCs) were a stratagem, Kiev says. According to the acting head of the Batkivshchina Party, Sergey Sobolev, the Ukrainian military raised Russian flags on their vehicles on purpose, to fool the Donetsk region’s self-defense squads and thus be able to get into areas under the control of protesters.
“Those were our military units using guerilla methods of intervention,” Sobolev said, citing the acting Defense Minister. “Very soon, in two to three hours this maneuver is going to be disclosed and you’ll understand that it was actually a breakthrough, which our units thus carried out.”
Thing is, it's plausible enough to work.
The problem is that if they hand over all their weapons before entering these cities, then what are they going to use dispurse the crowds? Harsh language? Nuland's pastries?
Even "Kiev Post", the junta's mouthpiece, admits this is all about "switching sides"
11:36 a.m. -- The Kyiv Post's journalists on the ground are reporting that Ukrainian troops, surrounded by civilians and pro-Russian insurgents in Kramatorsk, began flying a Russian flag after speaking with the self-proclaimed mayor of Sloviansk.
After defecting, the troops traveled in armored personnel carriers together with Kremlin-backed soldiers with no military insignia to Sloviansk, which is 15 kilometers north of Kramatorsk. A video shows a tank also in the city of Kramatorsk together with the APCs.
LOL its like that Baghdad minister of information that was saying all that stuff while the USA tanks were on his doorstep....
Same thing those Bozos in Kiev will be saying the same bogus crap when the Russians have them surrounded...
not nuland pastries you coward.
but holesome kosher monsanto breads
and chevron fracked freedom cakes.
coming soon from kiev scat yats the yid mud burgers with a splat of imf flem sauce
"Yats the yid" is and insult to jews. Better "zio-yats yid", this put enphasis in zionism.
It always starts out as a lark but then someone will say "Pull my finger"...
Russia, Iran, Syria, et al know that Barry aint going to do shit. They know that he and his admin are too busy here at home trampling the rights of Americans to be bothered with their shenanigans in the east.
I thought i saw a lot of duct tape so it must be Ukrainian tanks.
I would put money on it some of these guys are Russian special forces.
This going to get interesting, when the shooting starts. Putin needs body bags to justify sending in the cavalry.
Wiley listen dude, if your analysis is as spot on as your ability to get the Road Runner, well then you are in for a BIG FALL and some disappointment LOL
Well dude if the Russian separatists start getting killed by the Ukrainian army, what do you think Putin is going to do? Turn his back on them?
Can you say oxymoronic moniker? Don't be thinkin' that I am just showing off with the nifty semi-alliteration and the elegant internal rhyme, either.
The Nobel Prize Winner is getting the war that he could not get in Syria with all his lies about sarin. Is it payback to Putin for stopping his war in Syria or for giving asylum to Snowden or both?
US and European support for the crackdown makes clear that their intervention in Ukraine is not motivated by concerns for Ukrainians’ democratic rights. From the outset it has been aimed at inciting a civil war in Ukraine and producing a confrontation with Russia. Having organized a fascist-led coup in Kiev, Washington, Berlin and Brussels are now denouncing the inevitable opposition of people in eastern Ukraine as a Russian plot, and using this lie to escalate the violence.
Typical of the warmongering of the West was the demand by German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier that Russia distance itself “from the violent and unlawful actions of pro-Russian demonstrators.”
Standing reality on its head, NATO chief Anders Fogh Rasmussen provocatively called on Russia to “de-escalate the crisis, to pull back its troops… to stop destabilizing the situation and make clear it does not support the violent actions of pro-Russian separatists.”
US and European officials have produced no evidence to back up their claims that Russia is orchestrating the protests in eastern Ukraine. Asked by reporters if he had evidence of Russian involvement in eastern Ukraine, Rasmussen declared: “We never… comment on intelligence, but I think from what is visible, it is very clear that Russia’s hand is deeply engaged in this.”
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/04/16/ukra-a16.html
They are Ukrainian soldiers who have joined the people against the NATO-imposed Nazi regime.
This WSJ article is bullshit. RT shows pictures of citizens surrounding Ukrainian APC's and their article alleges the citizens are inviting the young soldiers to come join Mother Russia. It would appear, much to the chagrin of the MIC owned WSJ, that the next "standoff" between the Ukrainian soldiers and the "sepratists" might be nonviolent and bloodless.
Go fuck yourself warmongers!
Figures we know who owns
WSJ and FOX Rupert Murdoch
CBS Viacom ie Sumner Redstone
NBC and Comcast the Robertson family
ABC Disney and wasn't Eisner running the place not too long ago before he appointed a bunch of his friends to the board
Ukrainian tanks are very sophisticated, they use KEVLAR duct tape...
I think that is Duck Commander Tape.
his army grows bigger
NATO announced they will increase their forces in the east. What the west does not realize is that Putin is transforming this into a guerrilla war, where conventional forces/military strategies don't work. It will end like Vietnam. What the west must do, is what guerrilla tactics recommend: Ensure that there is a small but easily defensible poisition that really is a thorn in the enemy's eye and which really becomes the red line. It worked in West Berlin in the '60s, in the 38 parallel in the Koreas, in Israel, in Guantanamo, in Gibraltar, Hong Kong and Taiwan. Anything else is doomed to fail.
Every war since Vietnam was supposed to end like Vietnam. The old adage holds true... The Next War Will Not Be Like The Last War...
In today's world, global trade trumps all. Look at Egypt... Who want's to go there for their holidays?
I hope NATO has studied well the fate of the Nazis on the Eastern front.
One thing can be counted on, the duplicity, the moral myopia, the pretenses of US politicians and media.
A flash insurrection takes over government of Ukraine, so naturally it enjoys wide support? Would anyone be surprised if a poll were taken of support, oppose, don't support either new or old government were taken, that either of the last two options would achieve a plurality?
I'd be surprised if the current Kiev cabal had majority support if all options were open. To pretend Ukraine isn't seriously divided and the current borders make sense anymore than Yugoslavia did is just more imperialism 2.0.
Yes, let's find the most violent proxies and use private, less accountable mercenaries to continue perpetual war.
It's nice to see an article that has anomalous information and the author doesn't jump to conclusions. What will be will be. We have to wait and see.
I saw one of those APCs doing donuts... I guess that kind of confirms one of their units have indeed defected?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtfL54BLV7s
And so, it begins...
Remember, nothing is as it seems in this chess game. Ukraine is on track for a full fledged civil war and seems nothing can stop it now.This scenario will be played out before the May elections.
The Kiev Gov is in a precarious position - they know they screwed up and went too far, therefore, they only have one direction to go, complete control of the country or the people will hand them by their balls for lying. That is why they will not stop this madness and Putin, the grand chest master, will take advantage of this situation regardless the cost. So whats a few lives against such sweet strategic and political gains.
Someone above was absolutely correct when they wrote: poor Ukrainians, they are the only ones that will loose and suffer and no one cares...
"absolutely correct"? No, it's "lose", not "loose".
So... kill me for the typo and miss spelled words... newb. Looks like you got the point...
Sloviansk - Tanks (APCs) Doing Show-tricks - April 16th
Youtube link
Street racing, Donbass style :)
Myguess is driver is old Afghantsy or other local vet.....
"Grand Theft Armor" .......http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKfWwVEVcXM
Splin (Splean) "Liniya Zhizni"
a hundred different stories of one and the same event. word in european news is that these troops are indeed regular ukrainian army. they just flew the russian flag to infiltrate the separatist-controlled areas. isn't this illegal? /sarc
I agree that is the end result. These Ukrainian soldiers won't see it that way. In many ways, they are like the BLM twits sent to take Cliven Bundy's cattle.
These well meaning Ukrainian soldiers have changed sides. Once their paychecks stop and/or others from their unit show up, these "soldiers" will change sides again. There is no honor here. Only confusion.
Naturally these "soldiers" will say they are only doing their job.
Everyone on the Pro-Russian side expects Putin to ride in any day now. I don't expect that will happen. Putin expects discipline, not indecision and lack of resolve.
Nyet..didn't see any blm change sides yet
Unlike US sheeple, the Ukrainians are wide awake to see thru the political bullshit.
I think Zerohedge NEEDS to put up a place to commemorate the Passing of Michael C Ruppert.... We need to send this great man out in style...
Robert
Absolutely! Ruppert had courage to live by his convictions and obviously suffered for it. It's a fucked up world when his death passes almost unnoticed, and Cory Montieth gets a billion times more mourning.
Back in 1947, congress delivered a historically noble service to the american people. The american populace was being conditioned, indeed propagandized by hollywood and its big influential players for a trotsky style communist takeover. The participants were rooted out, exposed and blacklisted, and rightfully so. Didnt matter. The grand plan was just stalled for some time. As it stands now, they have achieved their end. They are irrevocably entrenched in the political system, they own all media (we are owned), and more whitewashed forms of agitprop have been working on us for decades, and here most americans find themselves dumbed down, entertained with filth and perversion, subservient to the whims of a system that is wisking us along to a socialist state. Fast forward to my point; its so ironic that im rooting for russias success in this crisis when they are supposedly socialist and we purportedly are a democracy. something really wrong must be afoot.
"something really wrong must be afoot. "
Yes. Your logic...
watch tom and jerry, the cartoon
Well stated. I feel much the same.
In my ignorance, I don't recognize your gorgeous avatar. Should I?
Perhaps you should recognize it. Hey dude,, look at the comment below us, that 'tony' fellow doesnt recognize who the real instigator of world unrest is. Too busy looking at the strawman. Agitprop works!
Tony takes artistic license I beleive he recognizes who the reali instigator is. He's like the ZH William Burroughs one can't always take him literally.
Tony is the rare bird that can get a real belly laugh out of me sometimes. I am grateful that he is here.
since 2008 crisis, the system are nakely expose by "socializing the debts of the private banks". It is inimaginable in a truly capitalist and democratic system
"The american populace was being conditioned, indeed propagandized by hollywood and its big influential players for a trotsky style communist takeover."
This story about our history is persistent, because it is not just wrong, but completely wrong. It's anchored in reality because the exact opposite of the truth bears a relationship to the truth.
The roots of the American people's appalling ignorance about how power works in America, about what is going on in the world and what is being done in our name were sowed deliberately by the corporate elite and their agents, of whom McCarthy was one. And don't forget, they already owned Hollywood and the MSM, and they staffed the Boards of Trustees of all the major universities and colleges.
My Dad worked in the Television Industry from 1945 to 1948, when he quit in disgust and went to a major university to study and teach about communications. He talked about how in 1946 or 1947 a wealthy and well connected relative warned him laughingly that McCarthyism was coming. It was about Communists, yes, but it was much, much broader and reached into every corner of American life. The full story has stil not been told. But its targets were:
1) Anyone who argued that America has a predatory ruling class whose interests are in conflict with those of the people.
2) Anyone who opposed American foreign policy of foreign intervention and threatening massive nuclear (i.e. genocidal) warfare to dominate the world.
3) Anyone who argued for unity of the American people against that ruling class and its projects.
The purging and reordering of American institutions, thought, history, economics, language and popular music was profound. The methods they used were truly Orwellian.
The ZH conversation is part of a great awakening of the American people from a kind of induced 60-year coma. The System that was in its hayday in 1947 is breaking down, becoming increasingly oppressive, erratic and threatening to our survival. By good fortune, this coincides with the era of the WorldWide Web. Yet while we are starting to see far more clearly what is, who's who and what they're up to, we still live in our stories from the past, many of which inevitably will turn out to be myths prepared for us to induce and preserve that very comatose state.
We need to go back and reexamine everything we thought we knew, especially from the period of 1945-1965 when the corporate elite was consolidating its world hegemony, and tease apart the reality from the brainwashing.
It's no accident that Orwell's 1984 was written in 1948.
I regret that only one green vote is available to me.
Makes the point that we need some major revisionist history. Too much nonsense is found in it, written with those having an agenda and/or axe to grind. Incidentally, 1947 was prime time for a social momentum with that movement. Sympathy from ww2 atrocities fresh on everyones mind.
Together we'll all make some new history! And make sure no one can take it away from us!
Great post. Indeed the communist fearmongering is a great divide and conquer strategy. People forget that in socialism many of the tactics for keeping people in line involved isolation, 'that they were not socialist enough'. The easiest method, at first, was often to suggest that the other person was a capitalist. And later this became more abstract and absurd in trials questioning the socialist activism of politicians themselves. They were not conforming to the party.
McCarthyism was much the same, 'You are not capitalist enough' was its basic premise. Strangely, this also meant that 'You're not capitalist at all.' The paradox is that capitalism attempts to be an open system and many people who were accused of being communists were either too experimental, too open, or participating in a form of capitalism which appeared dangerous to the powers that be. Or perhaps some felt that the old version of capitalism had to give way to psychological and economic manipulation due to there being other spheres of competition. While this certainly had similarities to socialist show trials it was not the same in every way, and certainly did not result in communism. Instead we've grown up in this vast experimental militarised space of psychological operations and intelligence training.
It seems we have no real name for this, just general dystopia (much as many of the dystopian novels were used as manuals by the intelligence operations).
i agree with wiliam hague and david camoron this is just another example that assad of syria is the new hitler.
if we had gone in last year after he killed all those folks we would not be in this mess today.
israel is a peace full nation and we need to send seal team 6 into this place to take the stolen tanks back.
we cannot have arab nazis in ski masks driving tanks around town someones could get hurt or at the least get tetanus on all that rusty metal.
TALKING ABOUT ISRAEL, HOW ABOUT SOME PROPAGANDA FROM PRESS.TV:
An international humanitarian convoy known as “Miles of Smiles 26” has headed toward the besieged Gaza Strip to break the blockade imposed on Palestinians by the Israeli regime.
According to a government committee in charge of breaking the siege in Gaza, the human rights solidarity convoy is scheduled to reach the coastal strip on Sunday, April 20, through the Rafah crossing.
The convoy includes over 30 activists from Arab and European countries.
The deputy chairman of the committee, Aladdin al-Battah, said the convoy will be taking humanitarian aid and medical materials to hospitals in Gaza.
On January 8, the "Miles of Smiles 24" arrived in the besieged area through the Rafah crossing on the border with Egypt. Only seven of the 127 activists were allowed into Gaza.
Over the past few years, the Miles of Smiles convoy has delivered humanitarian supplies to Palestinians in the impoverished region, defying the Israeli blockade.
Since the December 2008-January 2009 war that Israel imposed on Gaza, several convoys have successfully managed to break the Israeli blockade.
The Gaza Strip has been suffering under an all-out land, aerial, and naval blockade imposed by the Israeli regime since 2007.
The siege has had a disastrous impact on the humanitarian and economic situation in the enclave, turning the territory into the world’s largest open-air prison.
Tel Aviv denies about 1.7 million people in Gaza their basic rights such as freedom of movement, access to jobs that pay proper wages, adequate healthcare, and education.
I still maintain it doesn't matter to the Kissinger/Brzezinski/Wolfowitz strategy whether any of this "works" or not. The stated objectives are not the true goals. The goal is to create violent, bloody chaos all around the borders of Russia and China, to sap the strength of those potential rivals putting out brush fires. The EU might be in the crosshairs, too. Additionally, the same application of brutality on top of reserves of strategic resources, and the transshipment routes.
It's the same strategy for Banderastan/Ukraine as we've seen in Afghanistan, Iraq, planned for Iran, Libya, the Sahel region, Georgia, Chechnya, etc. If the Kiev puppet-regime falls, that's OK too. We've got the gold and we can use the debt as a cause for stirring up more trouble, whether or not it ever gets repaid. The Banderastanis will do well in the Al-Quaeda role. They're utterly vicious and adamant, and they know they will be killed if caught so they will do their worst going forward to make any stability in Ukraine impossible.
The key point right now is whether or not we come up with a good enough excuse to antagonize Russia in an ongoing way. If not right now, we'll wait until the Pravy Sektor types commit enough atrocities as guerrillas that Russia or Russians retaliate, and then we'll be calling the Fascist terrorists "Freedom Fighters" and we'll arm, train and augment their forces for as long as possible, further bleeding Russia. Meanwhile, we're making a very clear case to the EU as to their vulnerability, which we will further exploit.
These guys haven't made a secret of the plan over the years. Kissinger, Brzezinski, Wolfowitz and all their acolytes are quite forthcoming when asked. And it's their proteges running State and Defense and the alphabet-soup agencies.
"then we'll be calling the Fascist terrorists "Freedom Fighters" and we'll arm, train and augment their forces"
Agree. After all, just yesterday, the gov't in the NY Times made proud news of giving shoulder-fired missiles (manpads) to Al Qaeda allies in Syria.
This whole mess is unraveling badly. The dynamic is very dangerous.
I agree that it's a continuation of the US strategy of underhanded tactics and chaos, but this time it's different. Russia has already struck a fatal blow to the dollar with its recent trade deals with China and Iran, what happens in Ukraine is mostly inconsequential. And I think the chaos strategy in Ukraine isn't going to work very well, its citizens are too smart to be manipulated. The US will have to run continuous mercs and special ops to keep the tensions turned up.
The US is in desperation mode, I think they're hoping that interruptions to natgas supply will force the EU and other members of NATO to act. But they won't like how things shake out, I suspect that there are many members of NATO (Germany in particular) that are sick of EU and US bullshit and will be changing sides. The deck of worldwide allegiances is about to be shuffled, and the US is all but guaranteed a losing hand.
What would be interesting (from a US elite point of view), figure out how to start a war between the EU & Russia and China & Japan/Korea over petrochemical resources. 4 'empires' fighting and the US committing small levels of resources (by comparison) that allows us to come in at the end and maintain an industrial base that doesn't get impacted by the fighting. Oh AND it prevents anyone from unifying the World Island against the USA.
Hmmm .... looks like they are well on their way to getting that done.
almost like ww1 e ww2, in remake.
Is good to know after ww1, UK and France, Loyd George and Clemenceau had made extra-effort to contain the rise of USA.
My source? Indiana Jone Youth chronicles, hahaha.
The West can bullshit all it wants to, but I remember watching the invasion of Iraq, the tanks and personnel carriers crossing a border without checking with the Iraqi border patrol for permission first and how many died after that?
Cruise missiles flying at eye level in Baghdad also made an impression.
Say what you will, but the Russians seem to be very restrained in their so called quest to take over Ukraine.
Maybe the west can learn a lesson from what is going on here instead of ballyhooing bullshit.
Too bad the Russians didn't take the head of CIA into custody and try him for war crimes while he was under cover in Kiev.
By West you mean USA? As far as i know Russia is part of Western civilization.
Not really. Russia is between the East and West both politically and geographically. While being partly in Europe it is not European. Western civilisation is very much divided along ancient lines through the transition away from Greece. While Ancient Greece remains influential through philosophy it is at the same time distancing itself from those traditions. The West is defined more by its collapse of these civilisations than their continuation (the East is much more concerned with continuation of its old civilisation, and Russia is between the two, it is uniquely Northern).
This is most clear in the divide within Christianity. Eastern Orthodox, especially Russian Orthodox, separated from Catholicism and Protestantism. In many ways this isolated Russia, and the development of its philosophy and literature illustrates this very well. Its development, while clearly European influenced in its western part, was much like a bastard son. Russia engaged with Europe but Europe never engaged with it.
This contradiction is important in much of Russian history, it is both Western and not.
Corrupt and discredited Second Rome vs. Resurrected and Rising Third Rome...
12:36 GMT: Around 60 soldiers manning Ukrainian armored vehicles sent to Kramatorsk to carry out military operations against anti-government protesters have switched sides and joined the local self-defense forces, RIA Novosti reports, citing the self-defense forces.
“We’ve seen here that these are neither separatists nor terrorists, but ordinary local residents, with whom we are not going to go into battle,” one of the defecting soldiers said.
All of the troops who decided to side with the self-defense forces come from Dnepropetrovsk, the next-door region to Donetsk. This picture showing Kramatorsk residents sit near Ukrainian tanks, 12:11 GMT
And it's not only Donbass.
Odessa is preparing for action too:
10:14 GMT:The anti-Maidan movement against the Kiev coup-imposed government in the southern city of Odessa has called for protest action.
“From this day on, the Odessa region is declared the Odessa Popular Republic where the power belongs only to the people who live there. Tomorrow at 4pm [13:00 GMT] Odessa should be ground to a halt! Literally! Your task at the indicated time is to block the transport connections indicated on the map with your cars, pedestrians, go to the zebra crossings and stand there. Create as many traffic jams across the city as possible,” the Odessa Anti-Maidan movement website addressed the city’s residents.
Ukrain is coming apart at the seams.
The West is more wrong than it is right these days.
Rasmussen said in a statement today that NATO would begin strengthening its eastern border immediately with "more planes in the air, more ships in the water, more readiness on the land."
Just like Obama's teleprompter, it seems that horse-face Rasmussen has got a phone answering machine into his head. NATO wants Ukraine, that's clear. Also is clear that things ain't gone as planned. They are in panic after soldiers switched side. So will Kiev junta call NATO for help? Anyone to put boots on Ukrainian ground?
Russia will not let NATO into Ukraine.
Yes, they will go to war over it.
Our leaders are idiots.
Fully agree. Russia's line in the sand is no NATO bases in Ukraine.
The dumbfucks in Washington and London are itching for war. George Orwell said that the ruling class only drags us into war when it has figured out how to make money from it.
The MIC must have its business plan ready to roll. Dumbfucks high on Destex - what could go wrong?
http://mil-spec.tpub.com/MIL-E/MIL-E-82732/
I believe that NATO will fracture if the US continues its push for military intervention. They all see how insane the US has become, they're not going to go down with the USSA Titanic.
"more planes in the air, more ships in the water, more readiness on the land."
and more Rasmussen in the media
"Tanks flying"
Those two words are enough to tell me the Russians don't want to fuck around!
False flags.
Reminds me of the Irish charge at Falkirk:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kG9j5Io6yw
WSJ and AP are credible source or biased source? Perhaps it need to add RT to have a more balance view of the situation. The time that zio-Media are credible are long gone since iraq tragedy.
Let's face it. Clinton took their nuclear weapons and neutered them defense wise in return for a promise we'd defend their sovereignty. Then Obama/HillaryClinton/Kerry failed to carry out our promise of protecting them. It's over, our credibility is done for in that part of the world. Putin now has his land path to rich Crimean oil and ports and the rest of the Ukraine (which has nothing to offer) will be abandoned to starve a la Stalin progroms of the 1930's. Millions will be starving and we will be forced to feed them at our expense.
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"Clinton took their nuclear weapons and neutered them defense wise in return for a promise we'd defend their sovereignty. Then Obama/HillaryClinton/Kerry failed to carry out our promise of protecting them."
But instigating and supporting a coup d`etat to seize power from a democratic elected government isnt a good way USA show their promise to defend Ukraine sovereignty.
Totally agree. None of this would have happened if we hadn't had out "righteous liberal noses" and taken the Ukrainian nuclear weapons from them to hand over to Putin. I agree, we should have just let the Ukrainians deal with themselves, even if it meant they went back to the soviet orbit.
??? NUTS?
The Ukranian farmers were not left to starve by Stalin. Because they wanted to be left alone by Stalin, their grain stores were stolen, then they starved.
Was not only Ukraine, but Russia into Volga Regions and Kazakhstan also...
Even then Kulaks in eastern "Ukraine" were largely Russian in real
Depradations was not exclusive to "Ukraine" and "Ukrainian" which either is hard to define.
Under Soviet, Russians suffered more than any..
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Tony is in rare form tonight!
The defection of soldiers just show how ilegitimate the Kiev Junta is.
does it? so no gov is legitimate as long as even one soldiers defects? I find interesting how much effort is being taken to declare the Ukrainian gov as illegitimate... while it's being supported by the very legitimate and elected Ukrainian parliament
meanwhile, even Russia has declared it's willing to talk to it, making it legitimate enough
c`mon, you know what happened in those days dont you?
Friend in Dnipropetrovsk tells she thinks the guys from there...
and these all brothers in these regions..against Kyiv they chose Rus flag
Why don't they just print some more APVs?
Isn't that how we solve all of our problems?
Boris; "well Igor that didn't go too well. what next?"
Ivan; "we say it was our plan all along, you know Trojan Horse."
Boris; "But they won't give us our horse back."
Ivan; "That was part of clever plan, now they have to fix it. Will cost them plenty."
Boris; "What if they don't bother to fix?"
Ivan; "Boris, you are a real downer, you must be a terrorist."
Life's stranger than fiction:
Ukranian official declares that [6] APV's are used by Urkanian army as a trojan horse to get into Slovyanks.
If we're going to be reporting on military operations, can we at least understand the difference between a tank and a PC?
For those who don't yet understand, a tank is a large treaded vehicle; a PC is a computer.
listen soldier who the god damn hell are you?
i was in the special op's office division of the tsa before my gay cock wedding and transgender reassignment and if i say thats a god damn tank its a god damn tank
compren day
a tank of what? oil? molasses? wodka?
what is letters PC for?
you are vague person
be more specific please
The Russians are not invading Ukraine.
All is well.
Go back to sleep.
Serious miscalculation by the West. Ukraines don't appear to be in a hurry to start killing each other on orders from a coup/putsch installed government. Love how MSM calls them "transitional government". Transitional my arse!
puppet government of the cfr communist machine
But of course?
What were you expecting from people with a soul?
Just ask yourselves if the ladies and gents in the U.S. Armed Forces will do the same when the time comes in our own Country, or take the salary increase instead???
http://rt.com/news/ukrainian-tanks-kramatorsk-civilians-840/ Unrelated but people on "ZH" keep your eyes peeled on youtube. If this is true ooks like algos ain't just for trading anymore... http://wwwwakeupamericans-spree.blogspot.com.au/2014/04/something-very-strange-is-going-on.html#.U023Xhw3UdqArtificial intelligence cannot compute deception.
Machines cannot lie like humans.
This is their weakness.
CNN readers are fucking idiots. how can you be so stupid.
Reap the whirlwind Nuland. Douchebag
.... and speaking of, here's an interesting piece in Time , that just might not be totally off topic on this thread about people's revolutions:
The Armed Rebellion on a Nevada Cattle Ranch Could Be Just the Start
Go Ukraine. Go Nevada.
In the US, there are ALWAYS two wars going on: One on your wallet/savings, the other one on your rights...War is hell...
Hopefully the entire Ukrainian army will defect...then they, together with the Russian army, will go to Kiev, and remove those zio-backed fags from office.
Slovyansk
- Ukraine's 'Baghdad Bob' comes forth - these are ukranian troops using Trojan Horse tactics to get into Slovyansk.
- Ukraine ministry of defense, in no mood to jest, confirms take over of the APVs. However, another source claims that Ministry denies.
- It does appear to be a capture of the APVs, not a defection, though it could have been a mixure. Occured in... Kramotorsk (already supposedly captured by Ukraine military)
- Over 300 of Ukranian soldiers and additional APVs sent to Slavyansk lay down arms and go home, some defect. If you recall the total infantry force was about 500 men.
BONUS - video of the APC's showing off. Roads Repair Depo will not be happy
Ukraine
- Odessa federalists have declared creation of a [to be federal] Odessa Republic.
- Donetsk sets May 11 for a referendum on creation of a Donetsk Republic and whether it should join Russia or Ukraine.
- in Russian speaking blogosphere massive defections of the Elite Infantry Units are reported
Outside Ukraine
- Transnistria (a wanna be breakaway from Moldovia) is asking to join Russia
CAUTION please DO NOT take these articles for granted, some may come out to be Fog of War.
You mean someone, other than the government, may be trying to manipulate reality?
O'my.
These are the news articles that are not easily available in English world from Russian and Ukranian sources. I don't make them. Neither do I claim them as true.
UPDATE: The Ministry of Donetsk Republic already sent a written request to US, EU, and Russia to participate in tomorrow's talks in Geneva.
http://new.novorossia.su/?q=node/470 (in Russian)
I just head a BBC radio report on this incident. I won't waste your time repeating it. It is enough to say it is a total manufactured lie. If I ever happened to meet someone at a function or party and they say they work for the BBC, I think I will punk their fucking lights out for being war mongering fucking liars. It would feel so good to deck the liar cunt.
I'd get her pregnant and leave her the bill.
NPR is misrepresenting facts as well, all in the process of building public consent toward military intervention.