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Guest Post: Liberty Movement Rising
Submitted by Brandon Smith of Alt-Market.com,
"Freedom had been hunted round the globe; reason was considered as rebellion; and the slavery of fear had made men afraid to think. But such is the irresistible nature of truth, that all it asks, and all it wants, is the liberty of appearing." - Thomas Paine
The label of “fringe” is a common one used by statists, bureaucrats and paid shills in order to marginalize those who would stand against government corruption. The primary assertion being sold is that the “majority” joyously supports the establishment; and the majority, of course, is always right.
The liberty movement, which is a collection of numerous freedom organizations and political activists brought together by a shared philosophical bond, has been accused of “fringe” status for quite some time. With corporatist dominance over the mainstream media for decades backing an elitist machine in Washington and a global banking cartel footing the bill with money created from thin air, any such accusation can be made to seem “real” to those who are unaware.
The problem has always been a matter of physical action giving rise to an acknowledgment of numbers.
We have all heard the old story of the debate within the ancient Roman government over the idea of forcing the slave population to wear distinct armbands so that they could be more easily identified among the regular population. The concept was rejected on the realization that if the slaves were given a visual confirmation of their considerable numbers and strength, they would be encouraged to revolt against the Roman tyrants. That is to say, as long as the slaves felt isolated, they would remain apathetic and powerless. Of course, that was not always the case. Sometimes, a small group would stand up despite their supposed isolation, and the rest of the world, wide-eyed and astonished, would take notice.
The liberty movement has just experienced one of its first great moments of realization and empowerment in Clark County, Nev., and millions of past naysayers have been shell-shocked.
I covered my views in detail on the Bundy Ranch saga in Nevada in my article “Real Americans Are Ready To Snap,” amid the usual choir of disinformation agents and nihilists desperate to convince Web audiences that the liberty movement would do nothing to stop the Bureau of Land Management’s militant assault on Cliven Bundy’s cattle farm. This assault included hundreds of Federal agents, helicopters, contractors hired essentially as cattle rustlers and even teams of snipers.
The statists and socialists were certainly out in force to misrepresent the Bundy issue and frighten anyone who might consider taking a stand for the family. The Southern Poverty Law Center, not surprisingly, was hard at work spreading lies and disinformation about the confrontation in Nevada, painting a picture of fractured patriot groups and militiamen with “little training” going to face unstoppable Federal BLM agents and likely “ending up dead.” The SPLC insinuated that the movement was ineffective and in over its head.
The reality was much the opposite. Liberty groups arrived in droves and were staunchly unified — not by a centralized leadership, but in defense of the basic moral principles outlined in the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights. Sources on the ground at the Bundy ranching operation relayed to me that at least 1,000 activists and militia members arrived over the weekend, with many more on the way. This one event proved certain points:
- The liberty movement is not afraid to put itself in harm’s way for the right cause — even if this means facing off against highly armed government thugs.
- The liberty movement has the ability to field a response team or even an army anywhere in the country at any time within a couple of days.
- The liberty movement has the ability to change the course of events, even to the point of removing Federal agents from a region who are acting in an unConstitutional manner.
- The Federal government is not invincible, nor is it unfazed by liberty movement opposition. They worry about our strength and ability.
Over the past weekend, we witnessed the true influence of the liberty movement. As thousands of activists and militia arrived in the area, the BLM finally began to understand what it was facing. The government agency that has been terrorized farming communities throughout the West for years, the agency armed with military-grade weaponry and hundreds of agents, ran away, as freedom fighters descended on the region.
Nevada Governor Brian Sandoval and Clark County Sheriff Doug Gillespie, two politicians who were deathly silent during the beginning of the Federal incursion on the Bundy ranch, have now suddenly become vocal in defense of Nevada ranchers against the BLM. It’s amazing how “inspired” politicians can become to do the right thing when they see an army of liberty activists marching against tyranny in their own backyard.
Not only was the BLM forced to remove itself from the area, but it was also forced to relinquish all the cattle it had stolen from Bundy over the course of the past week. Here, liberty groups close in on the cattle holding pens of the BLM and take back Bundy’s property.
Statists are indignant and furious over the surrender of the BLM. The same people who boasted that liberty activists would be slaughtered by Fed agents are now frothing at the mouth because they did not get their massacre. Not only that, but the bureaucracy they worship has shown itself to be impotent in the face of Constitutional champions. All I can say is nothing puts a bigger grin on my face than to see statists cry like babies when their delusions of grandeur are trampled on.
This was a major victory for the liberty movement. But let’s be clear; the fight is just beginning.
I suspect that the Bundy event will be spun by news agencies and the government until it is unrecognizable. They will claim that the BLM left not because they were wrong, but because they were trying to keep people safe. They will claim that liberty movement protesters were the aggressors and the poor BLM agents were just trying to do their jobs. They will play the race card as they always do, much like this pathetically lazy and unprofessional article from Slate, which asserts that if the Bundy's had been black, the Liberty Movement would have never supported them. They will argue the so-called Federal legality of the raid itself, and paint Bundy as a “freeloader” who refuses to pay taxes and who is living off the American people. They will do everything in their power to destroy the image of the victory and soil the name of the Bundy family.
What they don’t seem to understand, though, is that the liberty movement does not care what the Federal government deems “legal” or “illegal.” Our only interest is what is Constitutional and what is moral. The dispute was never about the “legality” of Bundy’s use of the land, which his family used for grazing without interference for generations — until 1993, when the BLM used the absurd endangered species protection racket to put all of his neighbors out of business and threaten his ranch with invasion. Add to this the recently discovered fact that Senator Harry Reid's former assistant and friend Neil Kornze is now head of the BLM due to Reid's influence, and the fact that Harry Reid and his family are reaping financial rewards by driving farmers from all over the region where Cliven Bundy's ranch sits while arranging land deals with Chinese solar companies, and one has to ask, why should Bundy pay any of his hard earned money to the federal government when they are just going to use it to bulldoze his cattle and make Harry Reid more rich?
Disinformation websites like Snopes contend that Reid's "projects" are not being established anywhere near the Bundy Ranch, yet, one such project has already been launched only 35 miles south of Bundy, and, the BLM has erased a page from its website specifically mentioning the Bundy Ranch and it's "interference" with Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone Projects, the same projects Harry Reid and his son are heavily involved in.
What is amazing to me is that in light of this information hardcore socialists are still willing to defend Reid and the BLM. My question is, if the BLM is so innocent, then why are they erasing such data from their website at all? What were they trying to hide?
Harry Reid has not responded to the facts behind his financial involvement in the BLM's attacks on Nevada farmers, except to say that they are "conspiracy theories". He added when asked about the status of the confrontation:
“Well, it’s not over. We can’t have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it. So it’s not over...”
Yes, Harry, it won't be over until men like you are thrown behind bars.
Note that he says "an American people"; as if he is separate, as if he is referring to all of us as a subservient organism, or servant class. What Reid is saying is, the elites can't have "an American people" openly exposing their criminality and defying their tyranny, and then just walking away. I'm sorry to break it to Reid, but that is exactly how all of this is going to end.
Statists and bureaucrats like Reid continually attempt to argue this issue from the standpoint of Federal legality, obviously because the Federal government has the legislative and bureaucratic power to make any despicable action legal (at least on paper) if it wishes. However, the liberty movement has no interest whatsoever in Federal interpretations of legal precedence. We are only concerned with what is right. As the old saying goes, when injustice becomes law, rebellion becomes duty.
The liberty movement also fully understands that the Bundy victory was only one battle at the beginning of a long war.
The BLM may very well be waiting for activists to leave the area before attacking again. And even if that is not the case, tyrannical systems have a way of attempting to make up for signs of weakness by escalating violence during the next siege. That is to say, we should expect the next event involving the BLM or other government agencies to be even more vicious than the Bundy incident. It is simply the natural inclination of totalitarian systems to exaggerate their power when their failings have been exposed.
That said, it should be noted that corrupt leadership often crumbles in the face of steadfast resolve and courage. We have a long way to go before this Nation is once again truly free, but the liberty movement has proven its invaluable worth over the course of the past several days. We arrived at a crossroads, and we are now moving forward in the right direction — without fear and without regret. It is in these moments when history is made — when common men and women thwart the odds, defy the darkness and make good on their beliefs by risking everything in the name of freedom.
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One more time, for those who should read very, very, very slowly...
Marrow isn't the problem...
ANY PART of the NERVOUS SYSTEM (Brains, Spinal Cord, Nerves) IS the problem.
For those too obtuse to absorb this, this will not be repeated again, so make a note of it for you and yours and all you love.
Of course. Any part of the nervous system, including marrow and meat near it are dangerous. I thought I wrote it like that. Sorry if I didn't.
H. Clinton also has 4 stomaches. Make your own joke up tying her 4 stomaches, big cow thighs, and pro cattle future trading all toghether.
Can someone please define "liberty movement" for me? And who exactly are the members of said movement? I'm skeptical of anything that ends in 'movement'. After the so called "liberty movement" succeeds, just who is in charge? Alex Jones....Ron Paul....Cliven Bundy?
Liberty, to truly exist, is a very personal endeavor. It isn't a collective or group or movement. Every person has to make up their mind to be free and then do something about the shackles that bind them. Be less dependent on government. Have as little to do with those in government as possible, minimize your interaction with them. And yeah, this includes the military. Collective mentality - "We the people..." - got us into this mess and continuing the collective mentality by way of some fang dangled "movement" will only serve to enslave.
The inability of individuals to subordinate their egos to achieve a greater good plays into the hands of the powerful. Half of america wouldn't join with Occupy because they were dirty hiippiies. Half of america won't join the liberty movement because they're gun toting rednecks.
We make it entirely too easy for those in power. This must get boring for them. No wonder they're pushing a world war- maybe they want to see how brain dead we all are.
The Liberty Movement is actually the Movement to Play the Hands of the Powerful.
Stupid post.
Stupid is as stupid does mate
I'm not your fucking mate.
Thanks the Lord for that, eh?
Your shit's getting weak dude. You're out of ammo.
You sho knows what you's telling big guy.
The subordination of ego to the "greater good" is exactly the problem ... not the solution.
Every Collectivist uses the "greater good" as the shield for his evil.
Americans need to feel the threat as individuals; then, they will fight.
No, they won't. They're too busy attending to their individual needs and desires. You know that old quote: "They came for the communists and I stayed quiet... they came for the hairdressers and I stayed quiet... then they came for me and no one was there to blah blah blah" That's the whole point. Everyone's waiting for some big "come to jesus" moment where the lemmings all wake up at the same time. It doesn't happen like that. Change happens more like the theory of the 100th monkey. But those in power can see that transpiring- it happens slowly, organically like all movements- and they step in, kill the 99th monkey, break up the enlightened monkey group and evolution never happens.
all this "collectivist" meme bullshit perpetuates the isolation and imprisonment of the individual. The question is are you enlightened enough to subordinate your ego for the greater good and yet not become a mindless drone.
Supermen wanted.
"The question is are you enlightened enough to subordinate your ego for the greater good and yet not become a mindless drone.
And to whose "Greater Good" shall I subordinate my ego to ??
Too Big To Fail ? War for Democracy in Ukraine ? Hope and Change ? Democracy in Iraq ? More Walmarts ? Cherry Coke ?
The "greater good" has always been a diversion for tyrants, especially when they control the message.
Then shine on you crazy diamond. No one can answer that question for you.
If you have found nothing here worth fighting for, no commonality worthy of you- keep passing on. Perhaps there will be something worthy in the next life.
Actually the Liberty movement is just the practice of teaching people exactly what you just said.
If someone is in charge, well...that really isn't liberty...now is it?
Shh! Don't tell nobody, but I'm the leader of the Liberty Movement!
Agree, people need to withdraw consent. Easier said than done for most, however.
Most people, when they hear the term 'withdraw consent', their eyes glaze over and start to immediately think of something else or start to speak of a different topic. I think most don't even know what that means. Withdraw consent. They would have to understand how they gave consent to withdraw it. Explain that to people and watch the drool...
No consent is required. If you don't murder your overlords you will be a slave. Period.
The order you speak of is the action of 'self-knowledge'. Yes. This is the ultimate goal. However, quite a few 'people' would have to be 'awoken' in order to make this 'movement' successful. If it was truly the action of Freedom, then no 'leader' would be required.
Bowel movement.
Perfectly natural.
Just like freedom.
No leader is needed, that is the problem for some of the followers and especially the government. Without a leader, there is noting for the government to attack. Liberty movement is just a symptom of the disease, which is really self reliance and responsibility. Collectivism is not inherently bad, until you use a gun to force that collectivism.
Just a couple of thoughts.
in the news"it’s time for Western states to take control of federal lands within their borders, lawmakers and county commissioners from Western states said at Utah’s Capitol on Friday.
More than 50 political leaders from nine states convened for the first time to talk about their joint goal: wresting control of oil-, timber -and mineral-rich lands away from the feds.
"It’s simply time," said Rep. Ken Ivory, R-West Jordan, who organized the Legislative Summit on the Transfer for Public Lands along with Montana state Sen. Jennifer Fielder. "The urgency is now."
state rights vs big .gov,,more of the big picture so many EU and leftists posters will never get it.
The Govt is involved in drug smuggling, gun running, and now...cattle rustling! Finally, a crime that a cowboy can understand (and do something about!).
idiot...this isn't about Bundy's ranch, which the family has clear title to and has had for decades. This is about him grazing cattle on public land, which his family has been doing for decades as well...until the BLM decided to change the terms of the agreement unilaterally. He did not agree to the terms and did not...and still doesn't...recognize the government's alleged power to unilaterally change a contract. You DO understand the importance of the sanctity of contracts, right? If the party who was unilaterally changes the rules was you or I, we would both lose in court, if challenged, and would not have the right to simply steal the other party's property and threaten them with violence, as the BLM attempted. This notion that one corrupt branch of government "ruling" that another branch of government can steal property...using violence if necessary...isn't justice, it's tyranny.
That you think the family as squatters only shows that you don't even have a basic understanding of the issue.
It wasn't a "contract". The government used to let Bundy graze his cattle for free, then they decided to start charging for the privilege.
The government doesn't "let" us do shit.
WE let the government do shit.
They do not get it that the US Government is RESTRICTED by the Constitution so as the people retain the freedoms.
Of course the people have been lax in forcing the Government to follow the Rule of Law.
This is something which is beginning to change. Some of us have had a belly full of Government abuses.
If it has to go down the best method is Asymettrical Warfare. They attack a rancher? The Oil Refineries go up in flames.
"Of course the people have been lax in forcing the Government to follow the Rule of Law."
This is mostly because the people still think the 'ballot box' is a valid entry in the list. I contend we are beyond ballot box, soap box, and with only ammo box remaining, well you get the point.
US will always have more terrible weapons.
Most people do not vote these days.
Which allows despots to take over.
This may be the best year since 1787 to restore Constitutional government:
http://bit.ly/P6SHpc
@TheMeatTrapper: Good one! Lol. Try climbing the fence at any military base.
We won't have to climb fences you dumb fuck. When their paychecks bounce they'll walk off the job and leave the gates open.
Is that what Roman soldiers did as their empire collapsed? Or did they de-centralize a little, take over fiefdoms and take anything they wanted from the populace in the area to be 'paid' ?
"The government doesn't "let" us do shit."
I presume you therefor don't have a driver's license or license your private automobile because the government doesn't have the legal power to "let" you use the public right of way just as the government doesn't have the power to "let" you breathe air?
www.yhvh.name/MISSION_AID/RIGHT_TO_DRIVE_NO_LICENSE.pdf
http://www.dailypaul.com/78778/how-to-drive-without-a-drivers-license-fo...
FeralSerf: There is a difference between the State governments and the Federal government. Try to understand the basics of the discussion.
kaiserhoff: "The old Rancher has no legal status except squatter"
While I agree with your overall sentiment - youre misinformed on a couple of important points.
The MSM has put out the idea that Mr Bundy is just a squatter, and that is incorrect. There's lots of information out there in regards to Mr. Bundy's rights going back to the 1800s. There's lots of information out there on the BLM (and other agencies) similar type actions:
http://kenmcvay.com/why-the-other-ranchers-support-cliven-bundy-statemen...
In addition, turtles have nothing to do with it. Only a cover story. The BLM allowed tons of turtles to die saying it was due to 'budget constraints' but spent millions in their recent operations trying to run Bundy off.
And, of course, there is the documentation from a couple of years ago saying that Bundy would need to be removed in order to go forward with a Chinese solar project.
None of the MSM has done much more than spread bull manuer regarding this story.
Which is pretty much to be expected.
When the hit man comes, he knows damn well he has been cheated.
Help, I'm slippin' into The Twilight Zone...
Law enforcement?
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865574454/Lawmakers-Utah-sheriffs-wan...
from the article: ""This legislation crosses the line. The state is attempting to regulate federal law enforcement and their duties. ... You are creating an explosive situation here," Nelson said."
It's the only fucking lawful conditions that ever should have existed: the States laws & rights EXCEED that of the Federal Government, Period.
Yes, there's something special about navigable waters, inter-state commerce too, but neither of those apply to land-management, speeding tickets, busts for drugs, etc. The BLM, Forest Service, etc., are acting outside the law as it is & this would be just another law, more recent, to remind them they need a foot shoved up their ass if they step out of line and it's proper to do so.
Liberty is sleeping. And when it wakes up, it'll be pissed.
That's why we must be solid by then, and must have built a solid foundation.
Should Liberty wake up, I'm sure she'll be amazed to find that something called the Liberty Movement is supporting a welfare cowboy's right to graze his cattle for free at the expense of the American taxpayer.
What a crock of shit. Could you find a less inspiring character to cast as a hero?
Wingnuts never learn.
Fuck you and your "welfare cowboy" weak sauce meme.
Just tell us how Harry Reid got so rich in public service, you know once you get his *&*^ out of your mouth.. Must have been rebates from his grandaughter ehh..
I've tried to research how much he's worth and the estimates go up to about $20mil. No matter what the real number he went from rags to fabulous riches while in office. However, Reid and the statists are crafty and should not be underestimated. They are also arrogant as hell and affronted by resistance from the serfs. What happened on this is that they miscalculated public support and resolve. They will do better next time.
What I personally would watch for now are unending IRS audits, Dept. of Labor probes into his help, inluding INS/ICE and a dozen other alphabet agencies. They will soullessly and relentlessly grind him into pulp with the bureaucratic agencies and their police powers. They will leak accusations and he will be everything from a tax cheat, to an illegals hirer to a pedophile before they are done.
They may have retreated but they are far from defeated. The Imperial Bureaucracy headed by Reid will return in one form or another and they will make an example of Bundy.
Legal insider trading, before they outlawed it.
The law that forbade Congressional Insider Trading was quietly repealed by Obama at the eleventh hour.
Read all about it...
http://newmediajournal.us/indx.php/item/9155
It is still being done.
They repealed the disclosure requirement for aides, not for members of Congress. VP and Pres still have to disclose, also.
Actually land deals, but yes insider trading was a portion of it. Tortoise habitat lines were actually redrawn to benefit his largest donor.
http://www.humanevents.com/2006/10/17/harry-reids-real-estate-investing-...
The esteemed Senators get rich quick plan. You too can rezone land and make millions, oh wait no you can't, ha.. suckers keep voting..
If Bundy pays the gov't fees, the price of steak goes up to cover the cost of said gov't fees. Now all American taxpayers who want to eat steak are essentially paying a tax, hidden in the higher price of steak. The gov't uses that tax money to turn around and drive all the cattle ranchers off public lands, which will make steak even more scarce & expensive in the future. What a crock of shit.
Bundy's cattle grazing on public land doesn't cost the American taxpayer anything. Grass will grow by itself without any help from the damn gov't, thank you very much.
There is some truth to what you say but it is actually bad basic economics. The price of anything is set by the market. It does not actually matter what the inputs costs. If everyone in America says a pound of ribeye is worth $9 then that is all it is worth. If it costs a rancher $9.50/lb to produce then the market and the ranchers go bust This is precisely how governments drive businesses under.
If you pay the socialist workers $15/hr as they demand it does not mean you can charge $15 per Big Mac. You can try and you will sell some (price-demand curve) but it may not be enough to stay in business.
Bundy's cattle can overgraze but if you go one step further it is not in his interest to do so. He needs the land every year. The environmentalists are liars about destroying that area, too. Their definition of destroy means any change at all. The Left is always heavily invested in lies.
In short, cost has nothing to do with price. A common mistake.
Exactly, and a common mistake. This mistake gets used by statist-libs, as well. They assume that any extra costs they impose have no consequences or can be passed on to the consumer. This actually becomes and underlying assumption by policy makers.
Who is it that profits from another man's hard labors?
It's the devil in good works, and evil run rampant across the land.
This is an argument against collective ownership of the means of production, and against taxation...not Mr. Bundy.
Who said he was a hero?
Loved by the People?
http://www.westernjournalism.com/reid-gets-creamed-facebook-users-bundy-...
do your homework and I do not mean left wing blogs
I guess he's the right kind of taker.
He produces food. Profitting from providing a necessary service is well worth it. That is NOT TAKING.
Steaks do not just come from the local Supermarket.
Grazing your cattle on property you do not own, and refusing to pay the owner, is taking. Just as if I were to take oil or water from your property. But, since he's rich and white, we'll give him a pass this time.
The Federal government doesn't own that land. We the people do.
Bundy is an owner of the land, as are the other people of Nevada. That's the law. The Federal government has zero jurisdiction to say otherwise at any time.
Can we get that internet kill switch installed in the oval office already? Geez this is escalating rather quic.... well its escalating.
Can we get that internet kill switch installed in the oval office already? Geez this is escalating rather quic.... well its escalating.
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Sneak attack on and hijack of the corrupt infrastructure: You too can join the liberty movement!
http://libertytreeprecinctproject.wordpress.com
I just got back from the Bundy Ranch last night. The common thread I got from every one I met was what I called "The Pull". It was like there was no relief, until you flew, drove or rode your motorcycle there. Like the guy who pulled up next to my car at 2 AM, in the morning chill, after riding all night long from Oakland, CA, with just a comforter. He rode over 600 miles! I shared some grub with him and welcomed him.
Unbelievable experience and I was happy to be a part of it. I posted the tale and pics on the political section of the Corvette forum. I can't paste the link from my droid, but if somebody can help, I'd appreciate it.
Corvette Forum, Politics-Religion-Controversy and the thread I started is called "Rolling"
Sleepin' wit da fishes, is more like it.
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yeah baby.....eat it harry.....you scum sucking toad...and all your neocon scum on the other side of the aisle
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I think it is 'fuck you' - him , not you
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Chumba, Exactly the issue you bring up about Oaths of Office, which a colleage of mine filed with the Mesa County sheriff ( biggest city is Grand Junction Colorado) and has demanded that he arrest all 4 judges and is in the oven as i write. This is all being done under the aspices of a supreme Court decision
"The People's Common Law Grand Jury, which is being done nationwide as a result of a stunning 6-3 decision by Judge Scalia in the 90's?. Writing for the majority, confirmed that the American Grand Jury is neither part of the judicial, executive nor legislative branches of government, but instead belong to the people, It is in effect a 4th branch of government"governed" by the people and administered directly by and on behalf of the American people, and its "authority emenates from the Bill of Rights".
There were no ifs buts or ands attached. It is a very cold, and to the point DEMAND what he requested be done. This is juust the first shot being fired, others will be coming.
If you are amoung the many disgruntled, angry with our Goverment, this might be a way to participate in what is now loooooog overdue.
It is now time to start kicking ass and taking names. Many states have filled all their counties with these juries. The near future may begin to look a little different if we all get off our asses and get in the game. Milestones
This was posted on another article yesterday, I had originally was going to post to Chumba;s post below but changed my mind. Oops. Milestones
Chumba, Exactly the issue you bring up about Oaths of Office, which a colleage of mine filed with the Mesa County sheriff ( biggest city is Grand Junction Colorado) and has demanded that he arrest all 4 judges and is in the oven as i write. This is all being done under the aspices of a supreme Court decision
"The People's Common Law Grand Jury, which is being done nationwide as a result of a stunning 6-3 decision by Judge Scalia in the 90's?. Writing for the majority, confirmed that the American Grand Jury is neither part of the judicial, executive nor legislative branches of government, but instead belong to the people, It is in effect a 4th branch of government"governed" by the people and administered directly by and on behalf of the American people, and its "authority emenates from the Bill of Rights".
There were no ifs buts or ands attached. It is a very cold, and to the point DEMAND what he requested be done. This is juust the first shot being fired, others will be coming.
If you are amoung the many disgruntled, angry with our Goverment, this might be a way to participate in what is now loooooog overdue.
It is now time to start kicking ass and taking names. Many states have filled all their counties with these juries. The near future may begin to look a little different if we all get off our asses and get in the game. Milestones
This was posted on another article yesterday, I had originally was going to post to Chumba;s post below but changed my mind. Oops. Milestones
sorry, removed duplicate
Milestones
Interesting. http://www.constitution.org/lrev/roots/runaway.htm and http://2012thebigpicture.wordpress.com/2014/03/07/new-york-constitutes-all-counties-re-common-law-grand-juries/
Thank you for the post. You have provided me wit some interesting reading (could not finish it all) But yes we are well aware of the 13th Amendment previously approved by the necessary 3/4 vote and we fully understand the reason why the ORIGINAL 13th Amendment was shitcanned by the then attorneys. We do have some old lawbooks which show the original 13th in the Bill of Rights.
The interest is real, there have been almost 60,000 hits on the article and almost another 30,000 on a new associated story today. THe country is beginning to stir a bit and is now trying to find a way to fit into the situation and hopefully begin to assert themselves.
When its all said, the federales don't be the boss,,--they be the bossee.
That in a nutshell is what the hell this is all about.
Again, thanks for the post--come on in all ya, the water be fine!! Milestones
First you're trumped, then you're humped and at the end you'll be left slumped
My guess is that Smith and ZH's own chumbawamba are right, we may be nearing critical mass. What would that mean if .gov leads us to fight? God only knows.
Prepare
Stack on
I'm beginning to think it would take some serious shit to make the military (and even most police) turn against the American people. That's scary, too, because it's anyone's guess how desperate the statists will get in their attempts to hold on to power.
We had the martial law garbage in Boston, but that was after a "terrorist" attack. IMO, it will take something a lot bigger than that, something that can be convincingly blamed on ordinary Americans, to transform people from neighbor to enemy in the eyes of rank-and-file military and law enforcement. I'm not sure if it's even possible, but that doesn't mean the statists won't try.
I wish you were right, but it takes literally nothing to get the police to try out their toys.
https://www.google.com/search?q=police+pepper+sprayed+students&client=fi...
Police+taser+student is another good search.
For what it's worth, in James Wesley Rawles' SHTF novels, the feds have the UN dispatch "peacekeepers" to the US.
I highly doubt that will ever happen. The day blue helmets actually show up on US soil the militia folks will declare open season.
I'm going to guess you would not be surprised to find out that is exactly what happens in the books.
Cangaroo - Is there an EMP attack on America by a rogue nation in those books? A couple months ago saw joint EMP drills with China and Russia.
If there was a revolt say truckers blocked off DC and other things happen I wouldnt put it past DC to have that scenerio happen. The people would be totally reliant on government overnight.
Consider history and tyrannical governments hiring mercenaries in regular uniform to terrorize the population and do what the regular army wont do. Happened in both the American and French revolutions.
While I too doubt it would ever happen, I could see the order/request being made by a losing federal faction just days away from collapse.
While the NWO/one-worlder types would likely try to respond, the US federal government has burned up so much political capital and international goodwill it's almost impossible to wrap my head around other countries sending troops here against the american people. It wouldn't be politically popular within their home countries, and they'd be supporting a regime against its own people, while facing the wrath of the people said blue helmets would release.
So, I could see the order happening, but the government issuing it collapsing before it could ever be implemented, assuming anyone was willing to respond to begin with. What a great way to get yourself labeled a traitor by a new government, though!
the victor writes the history--"they" will be pyra. The losers not so much.
Yeah, you bring those UN helmets down to my swamp, cocksuckers.
You fuckers will all die. After I get my intel from you UN goons, it's into the water moccasin pit, hahahahaha.
LakeCity55
Y'all need to get your Southern Cross flying high in the sky again off of I-75
Lot's of folks just disappear down in the swamps of Loosiana... Gators got to eat too...
the continental US would look like a year-long Big Sandy Shoot if blue helmets or other foreign ne'er do wells showed up...
They would have to fight, die, or turn much like so many Hessians. If there is one thing we've seen for decades it's that most militaries are not bred to fight abroad like ours. They are certainly not used to anything like the armed population here.
When it's a federal agency they often bring them in from states away. Tell them how dangerous "those people" are and send them in to do their bidding. Unfamiliar area, unfamiliar people, they're more likely to just revert back to their "chain of command" training without thinking "Am I really about to shoot my neighbor from the next town over?"
With regards to the police, it probably depends on who/where you're talking about. The clowns who ass raped the speeder because they said he was "walking funny" when they hauled him out of his car probably wouldn't have too much problem shooting folks once some rocks and Molotov Cocktails start sailing their way.
The military I actually have higher hopes for.
Wrong! They have fired every Geeral who might have the courage to stand for the constitution.
And said generals would be viewed as leadership by veterans.
There are 22 million veterans in the US.
There are 1.4 million active duty (about 2.2M with reserves) very few of whom would be on-board with going against the population.
IMO, it will take something a lot bigger than that, something that can be convincingly blamed on ordinary Americans, to transform people from neighbor to enemy in the eyes of rank-and-file military and law enforcement.
kent state...
That was a long time ago. Much water has flowed under the bridge since then.
"We had the martial law garbage in Boston"
There's a big difference between the average Bostonian and the average western rancher.
Two words: FALSE FLAG, lots of (BRAINWASHED) McVeighs about can't hardly swing a dead cat without another crazy shooter, one will turn out to be the deputy secretary of the assistant to the vice president of the chattanooga tea party and walahhh shtf...
I think everyone needs to see this. People on the ground there think that the BLM contingent was deliberately set up to be massacred: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilDfAqDNUe4
Totally agree with their views on this, crossed my mind several times. Would have been 'perfect' for tptb to demonize any and all people who support freedom. Next time they will not make the same mistake[s], so folks need to remain vigilant more now then ever. Just my 2c..................
Such incidents are more difficult when every phone is a video camera. All that remains is a true P2P method of video streaming. Sort of like Napster between smart phones, but more decentralized
"The Cloud" is a subpeona waiting to happen.
If they wanted really wanted a massacre, they would've had agent provocateurs shoot some folks.
Shooting at both sides like euro-maiden.
Like throwing a punch in a crowded bar, and then dropping to the floor.
Protest leadership on the ground was specifically asking people to leave firearms in their vehicles. That along with local law enforcement probably really messed with any plans if provacateurs were actually present.
Terrain was too open for that..
I worry about the people who went in support of Bundy. Now that Feds have their pictures, vehicles, and associations of like minded people, want to bet most of them will be visited by one of the ABC agencies? I bet every identified person will recieve special consideration from the IRS.
They already used these tactics on a budding political group and got away with it. They will triple down on those who would defy their gun totting minnions, especially since this act of defiance has challenged the PTB only real authority, VIOLENCE against those who do not comply.
Guarantee ATF, FBI, DEA, DHS, etc are working up jackets on every person who was there.
On the flip side, they have to know that these people won't just roll over and take it. Push too hard, and they might start something that they don't want to finish.
Of course they are.
THere are satellites beaming every square inch of that area as I type.
But you know what?
FUCK THEM.
THey are flanked EVERYWHERE THEY ARE and they better damn well be ready to die for their pension and the bureaucrats who pass down the orders.
Moral high ground will prevail.
Bet.
If they have as much trouble with barbarians in Afghanistan, Iraq, and elsewhere as it appears they do, they're dead meat if they ever make enemies of the American people at large. Yamamoto knew that there is no way for a hostile power to control the US by force.
Dude, they're already doing that to you, and me, and everyone else here at ZH. You're naive if you think otherwise. Who cares about some fucking jackets? These people were ready to fucking die out there for every damn one of us who has been pissing and moaning for 5 years and about how no one will do what they just did!
This is a report from a Fox News reporter out of New York who watched the whole thing go down from the front lines:
http://www.westernjournalism.com/footage-bundy-massacre/#6sMYEJi1DZrCGUi...
watch the fucking footage he's got. Listen to what he's got to say about those people - it's obvious they don't care about some fucking list. We're already on those lists anyways! All of us! Who cares?! It's time for people to realize we have all the power if we're willing to stand up for it.
Fuck the lists.
Truth is POWER.
Fear not and speak the gospel to all who hear.
CONUS is the wild west and the wild card for the globalists.
Conn and NY are giving the middle finger to the gun-grabbers with good reason.
That's at least a million right there.
What I saw online, forget where but says it all.
Bundy Ranch: Defending those too stupid to know they need defended.
My post was nothing more than observation. I do not, nor do I have friends and family who are afraid, we are prepared and we are ready.
Out hunting beavers on the river this evening...never noticed so many drones flying around at night.
Asymettrical Warfare is the best method against technologically superior forces and will lead to victory.
I hope that it does not come down to it, DCRB, but I am seeing little to no prospect of any optimal solution.
Yes, keep using PayPal. TPTB, Visa, Mastercard, AMEX and the Fed all love it!
Is Bi[lderberg]tcoin any different? No, it is fiat too. Aimed at generation-X....as in generation eXpendable. Those kids know no history, eat nothing but junk food their whole lives. All they do is post useless shit on Facehook/Dweeber, dresss up like Justin Bieber....and think they are so tech-savvy because they have their face buried all day in their 'smartphone' when in reality they know jackshit but being slaves and proud ones at that.
Got Bitvaseline boy?
GenX born 1965 to 1984. I think you meant to castigate millenials?
Woah. Do *you* have issues, fellah.
Viva,
Sager (b. 1965)
I detest bitcoin as well but that wasn't fair to fonestar. I haven't seen boo about the coin which shant be named from him for a while. When he's not on about the coin which shant be named he's got some pretty good views.
I absolutely agree.
I stand with fonestar. He's earned his place in Fight Club the hard way.
I don't know about Bilderberg Coin. But Dumbassbrain seems to be the name of your game mate.
Excuse me, but I'm gen x, and myself and a lot of my contemporary buddies are pissed off at what has been going on and have been for a while.
lmao, no its paypal.beerfund
Puppet Obama's Roadmap to Peace and Prosperity:
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion1.htm
No, but I hear they take Bitcoin
If they were smart.
But the really smart ones will be using Ultracoin. No comparison between a wee bit and an Ultra.
UltraGigaSuperDuperPlusCoin is better. It has more likes on Facehook!
I use Brawndo coin. It's got electrolytes.
I use Chuck Norris coin, it will kick your coins ass
http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2014/04/17/ongoing-support-needed-for-bundy-...
As far as I know, the liberty movement is pretty diffuse. I have donated to Campaign for Liberty and have been pretty pleased with the candidates and projects that they support. It is a Ron Paul inspired PAC. Likely, they are a little too mainstream to be funding armed activists. Campaign for Liberty does not have a PayPal account to my knowlege.
Check this out!
Harry Reid Calls Cliven Bundy Supporters “Domestic Terroristshttp://www.infowars.com/harry-reid-calls-cliven-bundy-supporters-domesti...
There WILL be blood b4 the end of April, with lots of fire be it at Bundy's or somewhere else but there has to be a burnt sacifice as colse as possible to the 19 of April
not sure about the burnt, but there will be blood that night. and thousands cheering for it.
http://www.mmaplayground.com/event-details/193/ufc-on-fox-11.html
Here's a Link
http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2014/04/from-oath-keepers-ongoing-support.html
Governor and Sheriff sound like a pair of chickensht politicians.
"Chickenshit politician" is redundant.
They use Maxcoin. You should to.