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Guest Post: Liberty Movement Rising
Submitted by Brandon Smith of Alt-Market.com,
"Freedom had been hunted round the globe; reason was considered as rebellion; and the slavery of fear had made men afraid to think. But such is the irresistible nature of truth, that all it asks, and all it wants, is the liberty of appearing." - Thomas Paine
The label of “fringe” is a common one used by statists, bureaucrats and paid shills in order to marginalize those who would stand against government corruption. The primary assertion being sold is that the “majority” joyously supports the establishment; and the majority, of course, is always right.
The liberty movement, which is a collection of numerous freedom organizations and political activists brought together by a shared philosophical bond, has been accused of “fringe” status for quite some time. With corporatist dominance over the mainstream media for decades backing an elitist machine in Washington and a global banking cartel footing the bill with money created from thin air, any such accusation can be made to seem “real” to those who are unaware.
The problem has always been a matter of physical action giving rise to an acknowledgment of numbers.
We have all heard the old story of the debate within the ancient Roman government over the idea of forcing the slave population to wear distinct armbands so that they could be more easily identified among the regular population. The concept was rejected on the realization that if the slaves were given a visual confirmation of their considerable numbers and strength, they would be encouraged to revolt against the Roman tyrants. That is to say, as long as the slaves felt isolated, they would remain apathetic and powerless. Of course, that was not always the case. Sometimes, a small group would stand up despite their supposed isolation, and the rest of the world, wide-eyed and astonished, would take notice.
The liberty movement has just experienced one of its first great moments of realization and empowerment in Clark County, Nev., and millions of past naysayers have been shell-shocked.
I covered my views in detail on the Bundy Ranch saga in Nevada in my article “Real Americans Are Ready To Snap,” amid the usual choir of disinformation agents and nihilists desperate to convince Web audiences that the liberty movement would do nothing to stop the Bureau of Land Management’s militant assault on Cliven Bundy’s cattle farm. This assault included hundreds of Federal agents, helicopters, contractors hired essentially as cattle rustlers and even teams of snipers.
The statists and socialists were certainly out in force to misrepresent the Bundy issue and frighten anyone who might consider taking a stand for the family. The Southern Poverty Law Center, not surprisingly, was hard at work spreading lies and disinformation about the confrontation in Nevada, painting a picture of fractured patriot groups and militiamen with “little training” going to face unstoppable Federal BLM agents and likely “ending up dead.” The SPLC insinuated that the movement was ineffective and in over its head.
The reality was much the opposite. Liberty groups arrived in droves and were staunchly unified — not by a centralized leadership, but in defense of the basic moral principles outlined in the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights. Sources on the ground at the Bundy ranching operation relayed to me that at least 1,000 activists and militia members arrived over the weekend, with many more on the way. This one event proved certain points:
- The liberty movement is not afraid to put itself in harm’s way for the right cause — even if this means facing off against highly armed government thugs.
- The liberty movement has the ability to field a response team or even an army anywhere in the country at any time within a couple of days.
- The liberty movement has the ability to change the course of events, even to the point of removing Federal agents from a region who are acting in an unConstitutional manner.
- The Federal government is not invincible, nor is it unfazed by liberty movement opposition. They worry about our strength and ability.
Over the past weekend, we witnessed the true influence of the liberty movement. As thousands of activists and militia arrived in the area, the BLM finally began to understand what it was facing. The government agency that has been terrorized farming communities throughout the West for years, the agency armed with military-grade weaponry and hundreds of agents, ran away, as freedom fighters descended on the region.
Nevada Governor Brian Sandoval and Clark County Sheriff Doug Gillespie, two politicians who were deathly silent during the beginning of the Federal incursion on the Bundy ranch, have now suddenly become vocal in defense of Nevada ranchers against the BLM. It’s amazing how “inspired” politicians can become to do the right thing when they see an army of liberty activists marching against tyranny in their own backyard.
Not only was the BLM forced to remove itself from the area, but it was also forced to relinquish all the cattle it had stolen from Bundy over the course of the past week. Here, liberty groups close in on the cattle holding pens of the BLM and take back Bundy’s property.
Statists are indignant and furious over the surrender of the BLM. The same people who boasted that liberty activists would be slaughtered by Fed agents are now frothing at the mouth because they did not get their massacre. Not only that, but the bureaucracy they worship has shown itself to be impotent in the face of Constitutional champions. All I can say is nothing puts a bigger grin on my face than to see statists cry like babies when their delusions of grandeur are trampled on.
This was a major victory for the liberty movement. But let’s be clear; the fight is just beginning.
I suspect that the Bundy event will be spun by news agencies and the government until it is unrecognizable. They will claim that the BLM left not because they were wrong, but because they were trying to keep people safe. They will claim that liberty movement protesters were the aggressors and the poor BLM agents were just trying to do their jobs. They will play the race card as they always do, much like this pathetically lazy and unprofessional article from Slate, which asserts that if the Bundy's had been black, the Liberty Movement would have never supported them. They will argue the so-called Federal legality of the raid itself, and paint Bundy as a “freeloader” who refuses to pay taxes and who is living off the American people. They will do everything in their power to destroy the image of the victory and soil the name of the Bundy family.
What they don’t seem to understand, though, is that the liberty movement does not care what the Federal government deems “legal” or “illegal.” Our only interest is what is Constitutional and what is moral. The dispute was never about the “legality” of Bundy’s use of the land, which his family used for grazing without interference for generations — until 1993, when the BLM used the absurd endangered species protection racket to put all of his neighbors out of business and threaten his ranch with invasion. Add to this the recently discovered fact that Senator Harry Reid's former assistant and friend Neil Kornze is now head of the BLM due to Reid's influence, and the fact that Harry Reid and his family are reaping financial rewards by driving farmers from all over the region where Cliven Bundy's ranch sits while arranging land deals with Chinese solar companies, and one has to ask, why should Bundy pay any of his hard earned money to the federal government when they are just going to use it to bulldoze his cattle and make Harry Reid more rich?
Disinformation websites like Snopes contend that Reid's "projects" are not being established anywhere near the Bundy Ranch, yet, one such project has already been launched only 35 miles south of Bundy, and, the BLM has erased a page from its website specifically mentioning the Bundy Ranch and it's "interference" with Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone Projects, the same projects Harry Reid and his son are heavily involved in.
What is amazing to me is that in light of this information hardcore socialists are still willing to defend Reid and the BLM. My question is, if the BLM is so innocent, then why are they erasing such data from their website at all? What were they trying to hide?
Harry Reid has not responded to the facts behind his financial involvement in the BLM's attacks on Nevada farmers, except to say that they are "conspiracy theories". He added when asked about the status of the confrontation:
“Well, it’s not over. We can’t have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it. So it’s not over...”
Yes, Harry, it won't be over until men like you are thrown behind bars.
Note that he says "an American people"; as if he is separate, as if he is referring to all of us as a subservient organism, or servant class. What Reid is saying is, the elites can't have "an American people" openly exposing their criminality and defying their tyranny, and then just walking away. I'm sorry to break it to Reid, but that is exactly how all of this is going to end.
Statists and bureaucrats like Reid continually attempt to argue this issue from the standpoint of Federal legality, obviously because the Federal government has the legislative and bureaucratic power to make any despicable action legal (at least on paper) if it wishes. However, the liberty movement has no interest whatsoever in Federal interpretations of legal precedence. We are only concerned with what is right. As the old saying goes, when injustice becomes law, rebellion becomes duty.
The liberty movement also fully understands that the Bundy victory was only one battle at the beginning of a long war.
The BLM may very well be waiting for activists to leave the area before attacking again. And even if that is not the case, tyrannical systems have a way of attempting to make up for signs of weakness by escalating violence during the next siege. That is to say, we should expect the next event involving the BLM or other government agencies to be even more vicious than the Bundy incident. It is simply the natural inclination of totalitarian systems to exaggerate their power when their failings have been exposed.
That said, it should be noted that corrupt leadership often crumbles in the face of steadfast resolve and courage. We have a long way to go before this Nation is once again truly free, but the liberty movement has proven its invaluable worth over the course of the past several days. We arrived at a crossroads, and we are now moving forward in the right direction — without fear and without regret. It is in these moments when history is made — when common men and women thwart the odds, defy the darkness and make good on their beliefs by risking everything in the name of freedom.
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paypal for liberty? Buy yourself a mosin nagant and a case of 880 rnds of ammo. that's a good start.
I wrote Harry reid's only biography "Harry: Money Mob and Influence" because gerbalists like Jon Ralston in Nevada are on the take and wouldn't do it. Reid has called Bundy Ranch protestors "domestic terrorists", essentially calling for another WACO.
I Have a few webpages that ought to show the world just how fucking insanely corrupt Harry Reid is. Stop Harry, to stop the coming Bundy Ranch massacre.
Bundy ranch
http://www.futurnamics.com/reid_bundyranch.php
Reid's consigliere/bagman Jay Brown
http://www.futurnamics.com/reid_brown.php
reid payoffs from Pimp Joe Conforte of Mustang Ranch.
http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php
How do I know some of this? I worked with the guy who was Reid's campaign manager from 65 to 75 who picked up the bags of cash from Conforte.
What this has proven, which should have been obvious to anyone with a brain today, is that the ONLY protest which works in Amerika is armed protest!
Otherwise, you have an Occupy movement where the women protesters are groped by dirty cops, and young combat vets brain damaged by their tear gas cannisters indiscriminately fired into crowds, etc., etc., etc.
Instead of some piss-ante million men marches, there should one million men armed marches on D.C.
Instead of piss-ante corrupt congress critters like Harry Reid proclaiming protesters in America to be terrorists (the same faux crat who has only delivered for the neocons and rightwingers, not the dems), piss-ante corruption swine like Reid need to face armed protests.
The ONLY way to get money out of politics is to dissolve the Supreme Court (or take them out and string them all up -- either way accomplishes the honorable task).
We are waaaay beyond any real reform movements, as the predatory capitalists always co-opt said movements, and is it really any coincidence that Schneiderman of New York has now gone aftr Tower Research Capital LLC?
Negative, comrades! (just joking on that "comrades" thing)
http://wallstreetonparade.com/2014/04/nys-attorney-general-issues-subpoenas-to-least-lawyered-up-high-frequency-traders/
Hang Harry Reid.
Drawn and quartered, a piece on each of the four corners out west and his head on the summit of Yucca mountain.
A modest punishment.
Why go easy on him like that.
Tie his arms and legs to 4 bulls and have them tear him apart.
But, hey, shit on his face just before you slap the bulls' asses.
head on pike, only way to go!
I don't know, but the ZH article on Kim Jug Uno sending his uncle to be fed "Naked and Afraid", not to mention alive, to a pack of starving dogs seems like a punishment worth of the crime for Dirty Harry. A nice send-off for such a nice guy if I do say so myself !
+ 1 for "Kim Jug Uno"
He will only get caught if all the current and past childhood victims get together and file suit. He looks like a pediophile to me and I really want him to get exposed. My fear is that there are no living children since he is probally a cannibal as well.
He is so creepy that if he had not achieved success in politics he would have been beaten to death already while doing time for the crime of child molestation.
.....yes, very slowly...
Sandpaper all his fossil skin off then bury him in salt then thriw him out in the Nevada desert in August.
John Titor said this would happen
Web Botz said Titor is fake
+1 for the Web Bot reference
Clif has a lot of haters, but I gotta say if you know how to use his reports he is correct more often then chance would allow, can be a nice tool to give a little guidance, not necc words to live by but worth a ponder none the less.
He openly states he censors out a lot, so what he does sell is open to question. I suspect there isn't much that is useful there. Besides that, if he can do it imagine what the government can do with all the resources and brains at its disposal.
You mean, like build a working website?
Get an EBT with every new Liberty Sign up!
at least they weren't stinkin' bongo playing hippies. cowboys test better with the key 25-34 demographic.
did we get a shot of them riding into the sunset?
I'm going for the slaves and Gats in the inner cities. Mad rush yo, for liberty!
*GROAN*
The bongo playing neo-hippies were out at the near Riot in Albuquerque, dreadlocks and all. I'm not sure what they expect those bongos to accomplish, except for annoying the shit out of everybody who wouldn't bring them to a protest.
What a great thing the Bundy stand off was, fonestar just hopes they are ready for further interference.
I hope that we are ready...
Do not attack them at the position of thier greatest projected force.
Find the weaknesses and exploit those.
Read Sun Tzu, "The Art of War", and apply those principles.
Asymettrical Warfare is the best method. You must read that book if you have not already done so. Then you will be adequately prepared.
Harry Reid didn't want to share his millions in kickback with the locals, so the locals said fuck you Harry.
How does a US senator get involved with a local/county issue????
When the little brown baggies of cash are large enough.
State and local cops had no problem inviting the Feds into the area - so they got their cut, just not the locals.
You greedy fucking asshole Harry - share a little you rotten old fuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I know. I was thinking the same thing. How convenient he can use the government as military to benefit himself and that brat kid of his.
I'm sick of my slavery.
Unlike in the days of old, all terminals in the Underground Railroad end in Canada now...
Screw Canucktia eh! There is no running. Freedom is where YOU make it.
There will be a stand taken.
This has gone on far too long.
The current paradigm is ending.
There will be those whom will stand and fight.
The US Government is not the Borg.
Personally I'd opt for peace, but, when assaulted continuously, just what alternative remains?
Fleeing is not an option.
Can't wait till my liberty gets here. Is there a tracking number?
Delivered via drone.
That's logistics!
Freedom isnt free...from shipping.
All it takes is one spark to burn down the house. I have little doubt the feds saw that Bundy was about to be that spark and backed off...for now.
"I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians."
- George Mason
Every gun that was there is now a historical artifact.
I found a recent Federal District Court ruling lambasting the BLM and US Forest Service for similar
heavy handed tactics. The case below popped up today and seems related to the stand off in Nevada by the Cliven Bundy Family where the Bureau of Land Management was thwarted while attempting to remove his trespass cattle from public land due to the public coming to aid the rancher. The people in the west have very different view than in the east and for good reason. If you read the statements of the very pissed off judge he blasts the "conspiracy" of the Federal agents for their vindictive and illegal punishment of one ranching family. Unfortunately, the case referenced below only applies to the one case and has no force of law to stop similar behavior in other cases.
Therein lies the totality of the problem. Unlawful government activity is only halted in one case. The gov. is still able to pursue the same activity elsewhere. Each person who is abused by the system must fight terrible odds and expenses or give up and loose all.
Read the article containing a summary of the judgement.
http://hosted.verticalresponse.com/239864/86d36d9a87/569000697/9e9d8d7a64/
Yeah, I read parts of that decision, and it was a VERY complex piece of litigation. I would likely have to study it for a month just to really understand it in it's entirety. It also bounced back and forth between the district court and the circuit cort at least once, and probably a few times. There were references to Hage I, Hage I, Hage V, etc... meaning that there were several different rulings in the case. The guy who started that litigation, Wayne Hage, did not live to see it finished, unfortunatly. The litigation went on for DECADES.
BLM and the Forest Service were also getting ready for another cattle seizure in Nye County, NV (where the Hages were) their Sheriff stepped in. When BLM threatened him with a federal warrant for his arrest should he interfere with their actions, he told them that he would send his SWAT team out to meet their SWAT team, and they backed down. Here is Sheriff Tony DeMeo talking about it and the Hage case:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaEKB8pU2Tw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdpOT7wR-wU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2lVI6gzsVM
(Start at 3:00 on the second video for the SWAT team talk.)
EXCELLENT LINKS!
Thanks, El Vaquero.
Pass these on!
In that case, the BLM insulted the court's jurisdiction by taking enforcement action prior to receiving the court's judgment, and was found in contempt. In this case, the BLM (i.e. United States) has a judgment in hand from a federal district court which held Mr. Bundy in violation of law for refusing to pay grazing fees.
That's because Mr. Bundy did not argue the same thing that Mr. Hage did. Bundy argued that the BLM does not own that land as per the constitution. No court is going to agree with him, and courts very rarely will make rulings based on something that wasn't argued. Had Bundy used the same arguments as Hage, he very well could have won in court.
Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’
"U.S. Sen. Harry Reid on Thursday called supporters of Bunkerville rancher Cliven Bundy “domestic terrorists” because they defended him against a Bureau of Land Management cattle roundup with guns and put their children in harm’s way.
“They’re nothing more than domestic terrorists,” Reid said during an appearance at a Las Vegas Review-Journal “Hashtags & Headlines” event at the Paris. “I repeat: what happened there was domestic terrorism.”
What a FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT!
Paul Revere
Samuel Prescott
William Dawes
George Washington
Nathan Hale
John Parker
I'm sure these were all called "domestic terrorists" at one point.
What a douche!
1 picture of Harry Reid is all you need to see Everything Wrong in America.
Buh buh buh but he sounds so kind and sincere!
the setup is coming. I think we now know without a doubt who the 5 billion rounds of ammo are for. Surely not the taliban but "domestic terrerists" and then maybe everybody else that doesn't agree with the current power regime.
How do you spell Ukrane amerika?????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe it's finally time to "water" the tree of liberty...
Please tell me you took some cuttings, cause she don't look too good.
As soon as the Feds backed off, Harry Reid started taking bids for the immediate construction of a FEMA camp on the border of Clark County, NV.
That's how they play the game and rest assured, Harry's fingers are in that pot as well and accounted for.
That fucker Reid needs to be buried in the desert outside of Vegas...and signs directing people to his grave to piss on it.
The Apache used to stake people naked over an ant hill. I wonder how long it takes to be eaten alive by ants.
We can’t have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it.
Such as the BATF and IRS, at the behest of international criminals and hostile foreign governments?
And Swat teams take out Amish Raw Milk dealers.
It's a gateway drink
You forgot the Justice Department. They really know how to piss on the Law....
And then, there's this, the FBI going into South Carolina gun stores, asking gun shop owners to be aware and/or report back to the FBI on people who suspect the federal government has grown to large and is intrusive.
The pull quote:
"Evidently the irony of an invasive “Big government agent” asking about “people talking about big government” was lost him."
ROTFL!!!
Oh, thats not all, this is sooo cute:
"Before the agent left the store, he handed the employee a flyer which lists “paying with cash, buying in bulk, being a new customer ” and other completely common and normal behaviors, as suspicious activity."
Yes...because paying with LEGAL TENDER...is suspicious, of course! And buying in bulk is also suspicious, ya know, like Homeland InSecurity, the Post Office and fucking NOAA does...lol...and naturally, all good merchants instantly view "new customers" with suspicion.
Like the FBI guy ;-)
The link...and check out the FBI flyer he left for checking on suspicious people, what a hoot...lol.
http://appalachianareanews.com/fbi-visiting-sc-gun-shops-to-investigate-people-talking-about-big-government/
/////////////
From the flyer:
"Reluctant or unwilling to produce valid ID."
Ummm, if you buy a gun, you MUST produce valid ID in order for a background check to be run. Here we have a "federal law enforcement agency", that is unaware of, you know, its own laws...lol.
Quite a comfort, your best & brightest ladies and gentlemen...working for you ;-)
All law enforcement agents are now being trained to regard any one claiming they are a sovereign citizen to be dangerous. If the fucktards knew anything about history and the US Constitution they would know "We The People" replaced the defeated sovereign King with themselves, thus becoming the sovereigns. It ain't government that is sovereign except in their "limited" lawful function of protecting "the People".
Gov. is systematically destroying the rights of the people by use of gov. physical threat, financial power, and complexity of the legal system.
You Sir, are a terrorist.
Carry on
and delusional.
Govt doesn't recognize any citizen's claim of sovereignty.
They only recognize diplomatic status because it's bestowed by another govt.
What do you expect from Law Enforcement "training"? The lowest IQ, the lowest ability to discern, the most gullible and naive, by design. That is all.
Not by any law anywhere is there such a thing as a "sovereign citizen" but that's not really the point.
The most important focus is that resistance to government getting too large, and to acting outside its jurisdiction, are completely valid & should never be stomped on or investigated for being "suspicious"
If you don't throw any such people out of your store within the first 60 seconds of hearing such veiled intimidation, you're not on the right page.
The Liberty Movement is going to have to be very careful with the media. Look how the media cheer-led the suppression of the Occupy Movement. Nearly identical stories across the country, with scripts provided by the collaboration between the FBI and corporate security, coordinated in the White House itself. Press releases issued by the State, reprinted more or less verbatim in the media, who then only looked for stories consistent with the pre-approved themes.
The key will be to keep kooks away from the cameras. Occupy followed the leaderless strategy, which was smart, but the people whom the media found to put on camera were the stoners, ranting college sophomores who are used to everybody agreeing with them and nobody knowing the facts, and other easily-dismissed types. This allowed the media to ignore any actual issues and get on with the telegenic stuff, like cops beating the hell out of hippies.
The Liberty Movement can't let a leaderless structure open the way for White Power types, Flat Earthers, John Birchers or LaRouchies to get on TV, or that will be all the average American hears about. The causes the movement chooses to champion have to be pretty cut-and-dried and not vulnerable to objections spoon-fed to the media by the Statists. Bundy's tax issues, fair or not, don't play well with the uninformed guy who just had to file his taxes. It's pretty easy to portray Bundy as a self-entitled freeloader, to the average citizen who doesn't do any follow-up research to see what the guy is actually resisting.
You can't underestimate the power of the media in America, though you can despise it. For instance, it looks like the marijuana legalization crowd has figured out how to get the dirty hippie stereotype away from their cause; put moms with sick kids in front of the camera and make Prohibition about that. Growing up in rural America during the first wave of the Farm Crisis in the 70s and 80s, I saw how the media found a guy losing his farm who was a bad farmer, didn't pay any of his bills, and would rant about weird interpretations of the Constitution, when the fact was he was being evicted due to predatory banking practices. Or currently, when someone is protesting a foreclosure/eviction, the media finds the person who may be committing welfare fraud, or clearly doesn't understand that when you take out a mortgage and get the money, you're required to pay it back.
If the Liberty Movement can handle the media, the American people at large may be ready to go with them.
good thoughts, but it doesn't matter what you do. The movement will be (already is) infiltrated cointelpro style. They will sow the seeds of destruction and they will be the ones the media talk to if need be. Saw it with Occupy firsthand.
It's an old script, but why fix what ain't broke.
I suppose you're right, though I wish I thought you weren't.
The difference now is, those of us with the guns don't give a fuck what the media or their form posting shills say.
Be careful. Don't trust anyone you or your friends don't know intimately. For realsies.
Discretion is the better part of valor...
BS...EDUCATE. Stop peddling fear.
Do you think that this website is not monitored?
Everybody here is already on a watch list. BFD.
It is time for education and gathering intelligence so that the next time that they decide to pull off thier crap then it can be answered in kind.
NO MOAR WACOs. NO MOAR Ruby Ridges. NO MOAR!!!
Advising keeping things in house isn't peddling fear- it's education. If you know anything about modern american resistance movements (education) you know how they're taken down. And I'm not talking about your rabble rousing ZH posts. Nothing will come from this website- NOTHING. this is where people come to bitch about the pregame show.
I'm speaking hypothetically, BTW. I always speak hypothetically. I love my government.
I apologize in advance for the long quote.
"The Virtues of a Disorganized Resistance
Stephen DeVoy
Break Your Chains
American opposition movements have always focused on the notion of organization. It has always been their goal to organize the people. Their hope has been to wield the collective power of the disaffected, downtrodden, and exploited as a single unit against the concentrated power of the ruling class. While their hope has been noble, their methods have been foolish. Organized resistance has many drawbacks. These drawbacks have seldom been discussed by the opposition. We believe that the only effective resistance is a completely disorganized, decentralized, and leaderless opposition.
While, on the face of it, this claim may impress you as absurd. Of course it seems absurd! It is counterintuitive. Never the less, it is the ONLY method of resistance that will work within American society. We will explain why organized resistance has never worked in the United States. In addition, we will promulgate a new formula for effective resistance.
Why has organized resistance failed in the United States?
There are many reasons for the failure of organized resistance. The two primary causes of failure are intimately connected to the culture of the United States and the political system laid down by our nation's founding fathers.
The Cultural Cause
Americans, culturally, are anarchists. Few Americans realize this. Most Americans have a false understanding of the term "anarchism." However, upon examining the beliefs of your average American, you will find that most Americans: do not trust leaders, do not trust government, wish to be left alone, value their privacy, think of themselves as independent from society, do not believe that there is a systemic solution to their problems, believe that others should be free to do what they choose, provided they do so in private and do not harm others
While it is undeniable that political culture in the United States often speaks to the opposite of the above list, it is also undeniable that most Americans register as neither Democrat or Republican and most Americans do not vote. Thus, despite the political culture, most Americans choose not to participate in it. This is not only due to their belief that the American political system is hopeless, but also is due to the cultural clash between the wider culture and the political culture.
Any attempt to organize large numbers of Americans into a single political movement will fail. Any attempt to create an organization led by a strong group of leaders will fail. Americans reject submersion into the collective. In a sense, Americans are anti-collectivists.
The Political Cause
American political culture is not ideological. Politicians attempt to draw ideological distinctions between the two major parties, but these distinctions are a matter of splitting hairs. The only significant difference between the two political parties is the degree of compassion represented by the rhetoric of the two parties. Compassion is not a political concept. Compassion is an attitude. Thus, the two parties differ, primarily, in attitude and not ideology.
Despite this, there remain two political parties. One is prompted to ask "why?" If each party is basically the same, with respect to ideology, why do they not merge into one party? The answer to this question is best found in viewing each political party according to its true nature. American political parties are, for all intents and purposes, organized crime units. American political parties have more in common with the Mafia than they have with their counterparts in more democratic societies. Like Mafia, each political party competes for control of territory in order to maximize the benefit to their business constituency. Like Mafia, the political parties attempt to mold the system to maintain their positions and access to resources. Like Mafia, the political parties force the average citizen to pay "protection" under the threat of violence (taxes). Like Mafia each political party uses the "protection" money collected for its own advantage.
By defining our political system in terms of the "majority" and the "opposition," our Constitution enshrines this two mafia system into law. Each Mafia passes laws to exclude new comers from the game while focusing the rest of its energy in destroying the other Mafia.
Thus, any resistance movement that chooses to become an organization is in competition with these Mafiosi. The deck is stacked and the power of the state, wielded by these organized crime units known as the Democratic and Republican parties, will waste the time and resources of any newcomer. A newcomer can only succeed by rejecting the political system, draining its resources, and undermining the rule of the state.
How is disorganized resistance superior?
In some societies, dissidents become heroes. In American society dissidents are systematically slandered, libeled, harassed, and villainized. If they become successful, they are murdered (e.g. Martin Luther King, Malcolm X). In the American experience, movements that look to leaders are decapitated. Leaders are a liability, not an asset. Organizations can be (and are) infiltrated. Organizations can be taxed. Organizations have legal responsibility. Organizations have membership lists and lists are wonderful tools for the oppressor. Organizations take on a life of their own. They struggle to exist and their continued existence takes priority over their mission. Organizations attract opportunists, power mongers, and attention seekers. Organizations tend to exploit their rank and file for the benefit of their inner circle. Disorganizations share none of these defects.
Bureaucracy cannot comprehend disorganization. Disorganization is invisible. The asymmetry of the relationship between organization and disorganization favors disorganization. Organization depends upon planning. Planning requires predictability. Disorganization cannot be predicted. This leaves organization at a disadvantage.
Organization requires a supply chain. Supply chains can be disrupted. Disorganization depends only upon the resources of its members. Supply chains that do not exist cannot be eliminated.
Disorganized movements rely upon swarming. Swarms are difficult to defend against. If you cut a swarm in half, you have two swarms. If you eliminate one of the resulting swarms, you still have a swarm. Disorganization breeds. Organization grows. The many and dispersed are a more difficult target than the large and concentrated.
Organizations takes their steps by design. If the design is flawed, the organization fails. Disorganization relies not upon design but upon evolution. The motivating notions of disorganization are memes. Memes evolve and memes compete. This process improves the motivating notions of disorganization. This process produces multiple courses of action. While some may fail, others are likely to succeed. Taken as a whole, disorganization is more likely to succeed.
The important thing to remember is that it is easier to destroy than to create that which is designed. Thus, the cost to those who lose the manifestation of their design outweighs by leaps and bounds the cost it takes to destroy it. That which evolves is cheap and when an effort is created to destroy the evolved entity, it merely mutates and evolves again, adjusting to the new conditions. As a process that fosters evolution, a movement based on disorganization will continue to survive, evolve, and expand without cost. The resource constraints placed upon the designed (e.g. government and corporate) and those absent from the evolved (a decentralized and disorganized opposition movement), favor the later.
The limits of disorganization
We do not propose a complete absence of organization. Instead we propose a disorganization of units. Units can be as small as a single individual, or as complex as cell of individuals working together. Cells may be internally organized, but they should not be statically organized cell to cell. The movement should have no commander. It should have no central committee or governing body. No global plans should be made. The modus operandi of each unit should be to think globally and act locally. Ideas, strategies, and tactics should float freely and compete as memes within the medium of the collective conscious.
Conclusions
We need to construct a disorganized movement. You need not apply to join. In fact, it might be better if you did not contact anyone except those with whom you wish to form a unit. Your ideas, strategies, tactics, and lessons learned should be spread anonymously or by word of mouth. When you act, should you decide to act in resistance, attribute your actions to "the Resistance." The growing din of disorganized disruption will be felt as an earthquake. There will be trembles. There will be pre-shocks. The tension will mount and, in time, there will be an earthquake. When that earthquake strikes, the organized edifice of the oppressor will fall like a house of cards."
Great piece. States very clearly many things I've expressed less well for years.
Good article. Here's another article describing LGOPs which backs up the concept of autonomous small groups whose actions can't be monitored or predicted:
http://wingsoveriraq.blogspot.com/2009/04/military-term-of-day-lgop.html
"Well, with another sandstorm blocking us in for most of the day, it was time for another philosophical discussion. Today, everyone's favorite 82nd Airborne Division Alumnus (me), discussed the concept of "Little Groups of Paratroops", or LGOPs.
During the Normandy Invasion, German Soldiers were stymied by the tactics of the American paratroopers. The paratroopers appeared to be everywhere, striking from all directions--their ultimate objective and strategy absolutely baffled the Germans, who attempted to make sense of the American tactics.
Anyone who's ever been on a parachute jump will realize what really happened. The American transports, driven in all directions by flak and night-time navigation, dropped their paratroopers all over the French countryside. Most of the paratroopers were miles from their intended drop zones. The Americans began to slowly merge into small groups and started attacking German positions wherever they saw them. The Germans had every reason to be confused--the Americans were just as confused and disordered as they were.
We talk a lot in the military about unity of command and effort--noting that the lack of synchronization between forces often led to defeat. But the extreme opposite can often be effective as well, as shown by the LGOPs in France. Their small size and disorder proved absolutely baffling to the German forces, just as small insurgent and terror networks also seem to US forces in Iraq and Afghanistan.
"In a very real sense, maximum disorder was our equilibrium"--Thomas Edward Lawrence, referring to the propensity of numerous Bedouin tribes to attack the Ottoman Turks, with little regard to any unity of effort. The Turks could never discern a pattern to the attacks--largely because there was none."
Superb.
Carry on.
When the Bundys Forefathers settled in Nevada back in the 1800's. They were given grazing rights to encourage them to settle there. In those days you could not have sold that desert land for 2 cents. Now China wants the land for their Solar Farm and plant, plus the potential for Gas rights, it has become valuable property.
So, after the Bundys Farmed and improved the land for 140 plus years the Government wants to kick him off. Plus, his Forefathers only bought and settled there becaused of the grazing and water rights.
If nothing else after 140 years he is entitled to use the land. Much less with Adverse Possession Laws he should have already owned the land.
I see what you're saying and agree. But I've heard a lot of people saying, "He doesn't even own that land. How can he say he has a right to it? I'd love to plant my garden on the City Park land across the street, but nobody's going to let me do that. What makes this guy so special? We did a lot of things in the 1870s we don't do today and vice versa."
That being the obvious storyline, the Movement is going to have to counter it. I believe they can, but it's going to take skill.
A friend argued that her family had to purchase their farm and pay taxes on it, said Mr.Bundy stopped paying for grazing rights so he's a thief. Then she sent reference to Nevada constitution which specially, upon statehood, provided ownership of most of the state to Federal control. Said she has little sympathy for Mr. Bundy. What's the counter here, that this isn't about laws or lease payments? Falls short. I concur, the narrative matters.
Here's a link posing as an objective explanation of why Bund is wrong and has no right to graze either currently or from a long historic narrative (back to Mexican-American War). Need better links to counter these points, a little help?
http://www.thewildlifenews.com/2014/04/14/cliven-bundy-has-no-claim-to-f...
Let me explain this to you.
The Federal government is not authorized by the Constitution to own 84% of any State. Period.
I'll type that again, in case you didn't get it the first time around.
The Federal government is not authorized by the Constitution to own 84% of any State. Period.
Show me the Article that allows that.
The Constitution is the SUPREME law of the land. Not court rulings. We've had court rulings that said slavery is legal. The Constitution does not.
By the way - you need to get in your "friends" face and tell them to READ THE FUCKING CONSTITUTION.
While you're at it, you might want to tell her to wipe Eric Holders cum off her fucking face because it's disgusting to look at.
Lastly - you need to find new "friends".
Damnnnnn, MeatyT. That was gnarly.
Article IV, Section 3, second paragraph.
While I will admit it doesn't say 84%, it does address property owned by the United States. And the 84% would fall under the specific mention of non-prejudice. Get thee to school.
Oh spare me your bullshit. People like you who can take the following text and use it to justify seizing control of 84% of a sovereign State and then governing it by decree are the fucking problem. We have had enough of your type of bullshit and you peoples days are numbered.
Read your fucking history along with the Constitution. Nevada was taken from Mexico in a war conducted by the U.S. army. Upon chartering statehood, the constitution of the state of a Nevada granted the lands to the federal government. It was not taken from anyone but the Mexicans, and the Bundy family rented it. My view is that the Bundy family should own the land after decades of leasing, but reasonable minds may differ. It seems your mind is disqualified.
If we're going to argue constitutionality, then maybe we should focus on the patently unconstitutional shit the Federal Govt does instead of the shit it does that, in direct contradiction to your argument, is actually addressed in the constitution. You asked for a reference and lo and behold, there it is.
None of that means that the Constitution authorizes the federal government to own large swaths of land, and the Tenth Amendment forbids the federal government from doing that which it is not explicitly authorized to do. However, the courts pretty much refuse to enforce the 10th amendment. You might find a rare post-civil war case here and there, but they will be the exceptions, not the rule.
Edit: Large swaths of land in a state, rather than just in a territory.
Appreciate the reasoned dialog, Cowboy. Are you suggesting that all national parks are by definition outside the preview of Article IV? Would you advocate people just build houses in the Grand Canyon if they so choose? Are military bases in a state extra-constitutional? Understand, I don't advocate the Fed's owning so much land, and my political contributions and energies last cycle went to Ron Paul, so I walk the talk. But it seems to me the Constitutional language here leans toward the Federal Govt owning intrastate land. If so, this is an issue for a constitutional amendment, which, by the way, I would heartily support.
Excepting the part about the 10 square miles (Washington DC,) here is what the constitution explicitly allows the federal government to own:
And 10th Amendment:
So, yes, I would argue that under the constitution, BLM land, National Forest land, etc... held by the federal government when in a state and not a territory is unconstitutional. Military bases, on the other hand would obviously fall under forts. Federal Courthouses would fall under "needful buildings."
However, at this point, if we (collective we, as in the entire USA, people and government, not just you and I) actually started enforcing the 10th Amendment, saying that it would rock the boat is a vast understatement. There are so many things today that depend on the Federal government, and often not by choice, that a lot of things would fundamentally collapse. It would be ugly. Telling the Forest Service and the BLM that it no longer has control over those lands, and they are ceded to the states would actually be very minor when you look at the entirety of the federal government's involvement in just about everything.
I'm all for there being such a thing public lands, and I didn't have a problem with the feds managing it when I was younger, because they didn't mess with people back in those days. Now that they do, I've come to the conclusion that, with public land, whomever is managing it should be close enough to those who are affected by management policies so that the people can have the manager's throats within grasping distance. But then again, having public lands has given me opportunities that medieval surfs never had.
well a few cows and desert land most posting on ZH would never set foot in, a mock issue of endangered wild life, mix in bored useless armed wild life and blm agents throw in a few local bully cops and someone high in DC says say, lets fuck with this tea party type in nevada , hey harry our boy in the senate will get a kick out of it, and so it goes...going on for 20 yrs and now it's time to show em who's the boss. there is no government only idiots sociopaths and boot lickers - why are we surprised? rule of law some say, tell it to Corzine.
I should add, MT, in response to your inarticulate venom, that my friend despises Reid, Pelosy, et al and considers herself a strong supporter of the tea party movement. She just has a different view of ranchers using federal land and refusing payment, and backs it up with facts to support her argument. While I don't share the same view, I can respect her POV without attacking her character. But since this is fight club and all, suck me bitch.
Ha! Fuck you. I don't respect the views of any person that bows down to the FedGov traitors. Their 'character' is a reflection of their beliefs. You might want to remember that when you pick your friends.
The world is full of people who are willing to dislike people - but still willing to bow down to them. I have no use for them. None. Period.
Spare me your bullshit about a Tea Party member supporting the BLM snipers on this. You're either a fucking liar or she's an idiot.
Oh, and if you think what I've posted is "venom", then I'd advise you to stay the fuck out of my State. If you want venom just start talking that bullshit to an Alabama coal miner. lol.
Everyone needs to read the 10th Amendment and act accordingly.
After you read the 10th, read the others.
Then read the Constitution.
The Constitution was ratified by the 13 Colonies. It is the Organic Law of the United States of America.
Any law which is not constitutional does not have to be obeyed. Anyone who can read and think with common sense can easily determine if something is/is not constitutional.
City parks should become community gardens. But then again, people would be better served with vegetable gardens than lawns. I'm just saying.
And I agree. In fact, I've tilled up most of my lawn and replaced it with raised bed gardens, where I plant vegetables. I can't eat grass, and it actually takes a lot of water, care and chemicals to make Kentucky Bluegrass and the more common forms of ryegrass to grow here in Minneapolis.
I did think to look up the local ordinances, and they do permit vegetable gardening in the front lawn. I might have done it anyway; probably would have. But I like to consider my confrontations with authority, and pick my battles. I also keep my gardens well-tended and the enclosing boxes freshly painted. I try to stay out of losing battles when I can, and I try to bear in mind the difference between The Government and My Neighbors. I figure if I keep that in mind and act accordingly, I'm less likely to have to deal the The Government, as called in by My Neighbors. There are always tradeoffs if one chooses to live in Civilization. Just as my right to swing my fist ends at the tip of somebody else's nose, my front-lawn vegetable garden must conform to general ideas of sightlness and tidiness or there's going to be trouble I don't necessarily need.
IMO, local food security and choice is one of those battles that is worth fighting. You will get more sympathy this year than you would have last year, and you would have gotten more last year than the year before. People are waking up to the fact that our food system is rapidly turning into shit. There is a local push to allow for the selling of home produced processed goods in my county right now. By processed, I mean jams and jellies, canned goods, etc... I can currently sell raw produce, but I could not, say, raise a cow, butcher it and turn it into jerky and sell it. This was a topic on a local radio show on what is traditionally a very "conservative" radio station last night, and I called in and brought up the oil required in our current food system as well as the quality the food. I had the host agreeing with me. He also was pitching "earth ships" a few weeks ago as a means to not be dependent on government services. Here is a guy who believes in gun rights, state's rights, etc... and he's pitching what people would traditionally label as hippie crap. He wants the return of local economies. He has a very big voice.
Oh, and there is a meeting in the county on the selling of processed goods on Tuesday (I think.) I need to go pull some of the thinly sliced elk out of the freezer, marinate it in home grown red chile and jerk it in my smoker. I'll take it to the meeting to show those people what real jerky tastes like. It is hands down better than any of the jerky that I can buy in any big national retail chain. Bribes work with congress. Why not use some exquisite jerky to bribe my very own county commission?
See, that's how you turn a battle to your advantage before it even starts. Mmm, elk jerky. Nom, nom nom. Now, what was it you were asking about, Citizen? Since my city's local ordinances do permit vegetable gardening in the front yard, the point has already been settled. But had the ordinances not permitted it, as I say, I might have done it anyway. But I would have been very careful to make it tidy and appealing to the eye, so any interference would have been unwelcomed by my neighbors. Again, trying to be aware of perception and use it to my advantage.
The elk is now out of the freezer and in the fridge thawing out. I saw an elk chuck roast when I was rooting around for the jerky meat and decided that it should be thawed as well. I haven't purchased any beef since November.
BTW, me bribing my county commission with jerky that I marinated in red chile and garlic that I grew myself is a big deal. I'm stingy with that stuff. It's like edible gold to me.
Well, you have to decide what it's worth to you. My grandfather always said you can tell it's a good deal if both sides walk away feeling slightly taken. And good luck to you in your effort. I think it's time to re-consider some things.
The issue of people selling their home-prepared food to one another is an interesting one. Here in Minnesota we have a farmer who keeps getting in trouble selling raw milk. He mostly does it "by appointment" to a group of people who are going out of their way to get it. I myself wouldn't buy it from him but I don't see how it's anybody's business that he's doing it. He's not putting it, unlabeled, in grocery stores. People have to go to some effort to find the guy, make an appointment to meet him, and go get it. He's a bit of a drive out of town too.
With the way food poisoning and contamination outbreaks are happening with increased frequency, I think there will be a backlash to these controls, too. I'm in favor of clean, sanitary, healthy food. Having grown up in farm country, I know where food comes from, and I'm an OK judge of cleanliness. I'd rather buy lettuce from somebody I know than pre-packaged in a store, when I see so often that young greens are planted right next to leaky feedlots etc. and you can't just rinse off the E. Coli contamination. If I'm going to buy beef, pork or poultry, which I do, I prefer to buy it from the guy who raised the animals, rather than from factory farms via mass-production packing plants. I have that preference not because I'm a hippie or a nostalgic fantasist but because a brother of mine is a veterinarian who used to work large animal, and he's told me firsthand what's going on.
So while I favor the idea behind food safety regulations to safeguard those of us who don't have contacts who actually produce food, those regulations (like so many) have been overtaken and co-opted by vested interests and are instead used to maintain a monopoly grip on a food distribution system that is going to die as energy becomes more costly. I often refer to the light bulb that went on over my head one February when I went into the local grocery chain store and saw blueberries from Chile for $4.99 a pint. Cripes, I couldn't have mailed that package to Chile for $4.99. How could the blueberries be grown, picked, packaged and shipped to Minne-freakin'-apolis in February and sold for $4.99 a pint? Nearly-free energy and labor, that's how.
While I have no illusions about my ability to feed my family and self completely from my yard. I prefer to do as much of it as I can. If nothing else, I'm figuring some stuff out so as yard-gardening gets more popular over the next few years, as I think it will, I'll become a valued source of knowledge. Still with the influencing the debate in my favor before anyone even realizes it's a debate.
Exactly. Openness is the key here. I have a pretty good idea what is required to safely prepare food. While I wouldn't buy raw milk from a grocery store, I am not all opposed to buying it from a local farmer that can provide me with credible assurances that his operation is sanitary. No government interference needed. If you want to buy USDA regulated food, I'm not against you having that choice, but I want the choice to purchase whatever food I want. I would trust my next door neighbor's canned goods from her garden in a heartbeat.
And I looked at what is being proposed by my county. It still has onerous regulations attached to it, with permits, dedicated hand washing sinks, etc... While it is a step in the right direction, I think I'll show up with my jerky and make the full pitch that I should have the responsibility and the choice to decide what I eat, free of government regulation. I'll have to think about how I pitch it so as not to sound too "fringe" like, but I want to put the idea into people's heads, even if the county commission only goes as far as their legislation with onerous regulation.
LOLOLOL DUDE!
I was looking for a study that was done on the supply chain interactions for Swedish catsup about a decade or so ago so that I could have some talking points, and I remembered that the article that I read talked about a Swedish catsup craze. So I googled Swedish catsup craze, and this was sixth search result:
And yes, I laughed my ass off.
Wow. I don't know, man. The lady felt comfortable assessing it as "medium-sized?" Based on what kind of sample, I'd like to know.
And truthfully, I'd think somebody would know if their penis were missing. While I'm familiar with the expression "Coyote Ugly," I think most fellas would go to some lengths to remove the ketchup bottle from their penis, rather than...well, better to leave that unsaid I suppose.
But yes, this is an interesting supply chain complication one rarely encounters when bartering homemade ketchup among people who know each other. Or at least, one would think.
You should be able to plant in ohhh July 10th or so... ICE AGE cometh, mark my words.. Actually the Russians called it 10 years ago..
July 10th? What a stroke of luck! That's the day we have "Summer" in Minneapolis!!!!
+10.
Hey, I just searched and found a site called iceageinfo; you are right.
I have noticed temps cooling since about 2008-2009; no mention in the MSM, of course.
Also magnesium and water for solid fuel rocket plants for the warfare welfare State:
http://bit.ly/1eIFUVo
I wish I could upvote this comment to the top of the first page..this is 100% true!!
I haven't found anything wrong with the John Birchers. They are another group that has been out there warning about all these problems for a long time. They need credit, not a smear from you. If you have anything specific then trot it out. Otherwise, STFU about JBS.
Easy, big fella. I didn't "smear" anybody. My comment was about perception. If you're going to have a succesful movement, you have to appeal to and persuade people who don't start out agreeing with you. John Birchers are generally perceived as nuts. That's not a judgment of JBS, because I haven't told you how I perceive JBS. I'm saying that the media and a majority of people who derive their information from the media perceive them as nuts. Therefore it's a bad idea for your movement to let the media get those people on camera and show them as nuts, thereby smearing your movement.
Movements that don't pay attention to the perceptions of people who don't automatically agree with them fall apart very quickly.
I think there is merit to this. When I saw independent journalists going into OWS and interviewing people, my impression was that most of them were there because they had this vague idea that there was something that they should be pissed off about, but didn't really understand what it was. Too many didn't understand how banking works, or even that there was a symbiotic relationship between Washington DC and Wall Street. They were just mad at the rich people. Sure some of them are scumbags who got rich and/or maintained their wealth through corruption, and should meet lamp posts and short ropes, but not all of them are that way and it would have been nice if the average person could have articulated at least some of the BS going on today.
Indeed. And that's why I didn't do much to support Occupy, with which I happen to sympathize greatly. I went down to the local encampment here in Minneapolis and talked to a few people but found it depressing and left. The people talking about foreclosures didn't understand how mortgages or the legal process works. I'm not saying I favor that system; I'm saying that's what the system is, and if you play, you need to know the rules and how they work. You can't just do a big cash-out refi on your house, spend the money, not pay back the loan, and say your rights have been violated. And I heard a lot of that from Occupy people I spoke to. They were angry, upset and felt cheated and ignored, and there's much to that. The problem was that they didn't understand many of the forces they opposed, and many of the things they did understand were just plain wrong.
I tried to get one guy, with whom I sympathized, to express to me some sort of basic core conviction he had about what and why he was protesting, and all he could come up with was, "The shit, man; it's all fucked up." Well, yes. I agree. The shit is indeed all fucked up. But that statement doesn't give me a whole lot to work with. As soon as I heard that, and saw the general consensus among the people who were listening to our conversation, I realized they were totally screwed and sticking around would only result in my own skull getting busted, with no opportunity for gains to offset that. I don't care for odds like that so I left.
The problem is that things haven't gotten bad enough for the average American yet. I think they will. In the meantime, the elites are doing everything they can to sabotage our language and understanding of what we see, to keep us from communicating with one another. They figure, correctly, that will help them out a lot when things do get bad enough for the average American to drop the illusion that he's one PowerBall ticket away from being one of the elites.
OWS was owned and directed by a soros-funded group. you can find the monetary info at discover the networks.
However, I am sure any interview with anyone who did understand what's going on was scrubbed.
With respect Ckierst1, I ran into the Birchers when they tried to take over our Ron Paul meetups during the 2008 election campaign. They brought a lot of brochures and took up valuable time trying to get people to contribute to the JBS. They were very pushy yet contributed very little effort towards putting up signs and manning the polls on election day. They didn't help their cause at all, at least not with our group.
swmnguy
Absolutely right. "Media" = spin.
Thank you for this admission. No amount of government - no matter how "good" the intentions are - is moral. The Constitution is not moral either, as pointed out here.
Cattle rustling is a Hanging Offense. Can anyone even imagine what would have happened in the Wild Wild West if the Government came in and started to steal a Mans Cattle?
Ask the Native American Indians. .....
The also say don't disarm
Nice to see you posting wfs
Thanks. For some reason this issue really bothers me.
I think it has a lot to do with the fact that our Government has methodically taken away all of our rights.
It especially bothers me to know that the Government is in the process of taking American Land and practically handing it to the Communist Chinese. The Bundy Land is just one of the casualtys. As it appears from what I read that Reid and his Son was going to sell the Nevada Land to the Communist Chinese for less than 25% of its value. Just think about all of the other unfortunate Ranchers they kicked off their Land and took away their Grazing rights already in Nevada so they can in turn, give it to the Communist Chinese to build a solar farm. Which will produce energy that they can futher exploit Americans by selling that energy back to us.
Most of the readers should also look at the other deals that are being made with Americas resourses and land with the Communist Chinese.
Soon we will end up being Serfs on our own American Land. After all isnt that what the BLM and the Government tried to do with the grazing and water rights? Take them for the protected Tortoise and then rent them back to the Ranchers.
You have to ask yourself. What are Property Taxes other than to rent you the ability to keep your property. Often think about Gone With The Wind where Scarlet O'hara returned to her familys property 20 some years later and it was still there. Today it would be gone because she did not pay Property Taxes to the State.
The Chicoms aren't really coms (communists.) If anything, they're fascist-lite. They're authoritarian predators of oppurtunity, and I am talking about their government specifically. Their communist party calls themselves communist, but they don't act communist.
Thomas Jefferson predicted this dilemma if we ever allowed private banks to control our money.
The revolution has begun, just waiting for some fool to fire the first shot.
Vegas is as good a place to begin as any. Boston. Lexington and...The Mirage????
Much of the east coast is a lost cause.
We welcome all Las Vegas Congressional District 1 Voters to occupy Harry Reid's old seat:
http://bit.ly/P6SHpc
I think it is against the Constitution for the Government to own all of this land. To dole out to their favorite constituants or Foreign Communist Country. Give the Land back to the States.
It bothers me that Reid wans to give or sell the land to China for 25% of its value so they can build a Solar Farm and then sell the energy back to the United States citizens.
It is the States that must defend their sovereignty of territory against the illegal possession of the Feds. Too many handouts to press the Feds. It is a matter for the Supreme Court to recognize the supremacy of the individual States and stop the Fed. Gov. from maintaining the unlawful domination of States territories, the States have a right to cede it or not. The States can also ask for compensation and set lease agreements.
SCOTUS is part of the feds. Good luck with that.
$5 M for land appraised at $38 M.
Plus BLM USA titled land going into Reid LLCs and Trusts at zero cost basis:
http://bit.ly/1eIFUVo
Harry The Cunt Reid's books are in the local Dollar Tree here. A buck for his "wisdom"...and they don't sell!
FUCK YOU REID YOU CRIMINAL CUNT!
TRUTH...and justice for all?
http://www.thelonestarwatchdog.com/why-the-bundy-ranch-issue-has-so-much...
"The statists and socialists were certainly out in force to misrepresent the Bundy issue and frighten anyone who might consider taking a stand for the family."
Socialists such as? I'm a socialist and I supported the ranchers and militia, and so did all my socialist friends.
Seriously, the word "socialist" has become nothing more for a catch-all term nowadays.
+1000. When people use words to refer to things other than what they mean, conversation becomes meaningless. It's no coincidence that it happens, either. What we're seeing is the privatization of public assets to benefit cronies, as with GM, or Wall Street or the Health Insurance Industry all getting bailed out via the Treasury. That's the opposite of Socialism. What that is is the merger of Corporate and State power. Properly named "Fascism" by Mussolini, and I have to take his word on the matter.
"Socialist" means something very different from "Something I don't like." You don't have to like it, but you do have to know what it is before you use the term.
Fascism and Nazism are variants of socialism. Socialism is the tree trunk and they are branches and Barry O is a fruit.
Excellent analogy, retained for future reference :-)
Because socialism invariably has power concentrated among the few because, ya know, that's what socialism is. /sarc.
You should read up on the definition of "Authoritarianism".
socialism leads to "Authoritarianism". Case in point: USA
Voluntary socialism can produce some very good things. Take Linux, for example. GPL is a very socialist idea. Nobody owns Linux and nobody can claim exclusive rights to it without running afoul of the various copy-left licensing schemes. In effect, you may not be able to claim exclusive rights to the code base, but you can claim inclusive rights to modify that code base how you see fit and simply use the OS however you wish, so long as you follow the GPL and other various FOSS licensing agreements included. The effect is very similar to owning the means of production. Involuntary socialism produces little, except for oppression and corruption.
I agree. The only way that Socialism and Democracy can work is if the people are behind it, but anything that is forced upon the people will bear the fruits of revolution.
Bingo
Nazi = National Socialist = Nationalsozialismus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism
If you really supported the Bundy anti-State event and support the militia and other things associated with liberty, freedom and a proper constitution, then you are not really a socialist and must be confused or giving new meanings to words.
Liberty and socialism are incompatible. As Brandon alludes, what happened in Nevada was a classic socialist, statist incident. And it once again raises the question in my mind why any self-respecting person would ever want to be employed by government, let alone one that indulges in such criminality.
I would have been proud to have been there.
"Socialism is a social and economic system characterized by social ownership of the means of production and co-operative management of the economy"
That sounds a lot more compatible with freedom than what these so called "Liberty Movement" espouse.
Correction: all those things are what socialism PROMISES but NEVER DELIVERS.
In reality it amounts to nothing more than jumped-up jackboots taking control of society so THEY can line their own pockets with power and privilege.
Take one look at the British socialist Labour Party for irrefutable evidence.
"Correction: all those things are what libertarianism PROMISES but NEVER DELIVERS."
Put a recte there.
"In reality it amounts to nothing more than jumped-up jackboots taking control of society so THEY can line their own pockets with power and privilege."
The black shirts were jumped up jackboots who took control of society so THEIR masters would line their own pockets. And they weren't that socialist to begin with.
In fact, all this Liberty Movement and Libertarians seem exactly what you describe. They abhorr regulations, but when a corporation messes up something, like that Liberty or Freedom company or whatever who polluted a whole river, they go scott free. Helped by those so called Liberty lovers who despise any sort of regulation of big business and big money. That pseudo anarchist Libertarianism ain't nothing but the excuse which the rich and powerful want the masses to support. So that they can go from the Liberty movement to the License movement: as in, I do What I Want, Bitch; and Fuck You. Cartman style. Why do you think the Cock brothers support Libertarian think tanks so much.
Excuse me Sir, but that's bullshit and you know it.
I actually know the exact opposite. When in my own country this sort of mentality took hold; as each for his own, no collective endeavor, not participating in politics, bashing of regulations, privatizations, etc... (everything these LM'ers seem to espouse) the results where the SELLOFF of the whole country to what some call "Trompa Gringo"'s. And that means, banks, bankers, paper pushers, intl corporations, etc... The common folks, even those who supported that newly established libertarianism (which was brought by a branch of the neo-con establishment), ended up bad. Real bad. Knew a lot of people who went from solid high middle class to indigence in a matter of less than 3 years.
Can't say other more "collective" workarounds been the epiphany, but the scars left by that libertarian experiment will not be forgotten in a long time. And when you see the assholes at the local Libertarian Party, all with their double last names, country houses, meetings at the Air Force building and shit, don't think I'm wrong at all sir.
Your views of libertarianism is akin to the endless streams of claptrap spewed out by its enemies in MSM and Lefty politicians.
I know of no libertarian minded person who wants to abolish ALL regulations on everything. They want to abolish regs which exist for no other purpose than to control and manipulate society and economics. This is what socialists always do. They are driven by a craving for power and control. That's why I have always said that laws/regs should pass the "need" test: they should be necessary and they should be enforced without favor. The Rule of Law. What we have today in our socialist societies is quite the opposite: far too many unnecessary laws/regs which are selectively enforced according to how big the pay-offs are and how high up the pecking order the perps are. This is what always happens under socialism. This is socialism. Double standards, hypocrisy, one rule for the little people and one rule for them.
People who believe MSM political claptrap will never learn.
No, this is not socialism. Socialism just means the social ownership of the means of production. What we have here is more of an oligarchy (power structure centered in a small group of people), or a plutocracy (power structure centered on the wealthy), or even an aristocracy (power in the hands of a privileged class, note that privilege means private law).
"I know of no libertarian minded person who wants to abolish ALL regulations on everything. They want to abolish regs which exist for no other purpose than to control and manipulate society and economics"
Well, damn. Which laws are there which don't attempt to regulate society or the economy? Laws are made for that purpose (guidelines to govern behaviour).
Don't try to put me in the bag of MSM addicts. I'm not. I'm not even in the US and don't follow US MSM. I'm not even American... I don't know about you specifically, but many of those who called me a sock puppet for the "MSM", were actually Fox News/News Corporation addicts. Are you? If so, please, next time you want to throw a stone, take a look at yourself and check if you're really free of the sin which you denounce in others.
AchtungAfen:
"When in my own country this sort of mentality took hold"
What Country are you from? It is obvious from your posts that you are not from the United States. As you would understand why the American People wan to stand up for their Freedom, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
Yeah, I guess they would want to do that. And I've seen Americans rise before, mostly by peaceful means. Many times brutalized by security forces. But I don't think this Bundy thing has anything to do with freedom, the constitution or the bill of rights. But rather a posturing from reactionary crazies (not to use other derogative more fit for the case) while defending a guy who shat on his neighbors and community, a cheap bastard and a thief.
What is your opinion of Nigel Farage and UKIP? (assuming you're in England)