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Guest Post: Liberty Movement Rising
Submitted by Brandon Smith of Alt-Market.com,
"Freedom had been hunted round the globe; reason was considered as rebellion; and the slavery of fear had made men afraid to think. But such is the irresistible nature of truth, that all it asks, and all it wants, is the liberty of appearing." - Thomas Paine
The label of “fringe” is a common one used by statists, bureaucrats and paid shills in order to marginalize those who would stand against government corruption. The primary assertion being sold is that the “majority” joyously supports the establishment; and the majority, of course, is always right.
The liberty movement, which is a collection of numerous freedom organizations and political activists brought together by a shared philosophical bond, has been accused of “fringe” status for quite some time. With corporatist dominance over the mainstream media for decades backing an elitist machine in Washington and a global banking cartel footing the bill with money created from thin air, any such accusation can be made to seem “real” to those who are unaware.
The problem has always been a matter of physical action giving rise to an acknowledgment of numbers.
We have all heard the old story of the debate within the ancient Roman government over the idea of forcing the slave population to wear distinct armbands so that they could be more easily identified among the regular population. The concept was rejected on the realization that if the slaves were given a visual confirmation of their considerable numbers and strength, they would be encouraged to revolt against the Roman tyrants. That is to say, as long as the slaves felt isolated, they would remain apathetic and powerless. Of course, that was not always the case. Sometimes, a small group would stand up despite their supposed isolation, and the rest of the world, wide-eyed and astonished, would take notice.
The liberty movement has just experienced one of its first great moments of realization and empowerment in Clark County, Nev., and millions of past naysayers have been shell-shocked.
I covered my views in detail on the Bundy Ranch saga in Nevada in my article “Real Americans Are Ready To Snap,” amid the usual choir of disinformation agents and nihilists desperate to convince Web audiences that the liberty movement would do nothing to stop the Bureau of Land Management’s militant assault on Cliven Bundy’s cattle farm. This assault included hundreds of Federal agents, helicopters, contractors hired essentially as cattle rustlers and even teams of snipers.
The statists and socialists were certainly out in force to misrepresent the Bundy issue and frighten anyone who might consider taking a stand for the family. The Southern Poverty Law Center, not surprisingly, was hard at work spreading lies and disinformation about the confrontation in Nevada, painting a picture of fractured patriot groups and militiamen with “little training” going to face unstoppable Federal BLM agents and likely “ending up dead.” The SPLC insinuated that the movement was ineffective and in over its head.
The reality was much the opposite. Liberty groups arrived in droves and were staunchly unified — not by a centralized leadership, but in defense of the basic moral principles outlined in the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights. Sources on the ground at the Bundy ranching operation relayed to me that at least 1,000 activists and militia members arrived over the weekend, with many more on the way. This one event proved certain points:
- The liberty movement is not afraid to put itself in harm’s way for the right cause — even if this means facing off against highly armed government thugs.
- The liberty movement has the ability to field a response team or even an army anywhere in the country at any time within a couple of days.
- The liberty movement has the ability to change the course of events, even to the point of removing Federal agents from a region who are acting in an unConstitutional manner.
- The Federal government is not invincible, nor is it unfazed by liberty movement opposition. They worry about our strength and ability.
Over the past weekend, we witnessed the true influence of the liberty movement. As thousands of activists and militia arrived in the area, the BLM finally began to understand what it was facing. The government agency that has been terrorized farming communities throughout the West for years, the agency armed with military-grade weaponry and hundreds of agents, ran away, as freedom fighters descended on the region.
Nevada Governor Brian Sandoval and Clark County Sheriff Doug Gillespie, two politicians who were deathly silent during the beginning of the Federal incursion on the Bundy ranch, have now suddenly become vocal in defense of Nevada ranchers against the BLM. It’s amazing how “inspired” politicians can become to do the right thing when they see an army of liberty activists marching against tyranny in their own backyard.
Not only was the BLM forced to remove itself from the area, but it was also forced to relinquish all the cattle it had stolen from Bundy over the course of the past week. Here, liberty groups close in on the cattle holding pens of the BLM and take back Bundy’s property.
Statists are indignant and furious over the surrender of the BLM. The same people who boasted that liberty activists would be slaughtered by Fed agents are now frothing at the mouth because they did not get their massacre. Not only that, but the bureaucracy they worship has shown itself to be impotent in the face of Constitutional champions. All I can say is nothing puts a bigger grin on my face than to see statists cry like babies when their delusions of grandeur are trampled on.
This was a major victory for the liberty movement. But let’s be clear; the fight is just beginning.
I suspect that the Bundy event will be spun by news agencies and the government until it is unrecognizable. They will claim that the BLM left not because they were wrong, but because they were trying to keep people safe. They will claim that liberty movement protesters were the aggressors and the poor BLM agents were just trying to do their jobs. They will play the race card as they always do, much like this pathetically lazy and unprofessional article from Slate, which asserts that if the Bundy's had been black, the Liberty Movement would have never supported them. They will argue the so-called Federal legality of the raid itself, and paint Bundy as a “freeloader” who refuses to pay taxes and who is living off the American people. They will do everything in their power to destroy the image of the victory and soil the name of the Bundy family.
What they don’t seem to understand, though, is that the liberty movement does not care what the Federal government deems “legal” or “illegal.” Our only interest is what is Constitutional and what is moral. The dispute was never about the “legality” of Bundy’s use of the land, which his family used for grazing without interference for generations — until 1993, when the BLM used the absurd endangered species protection racket to put all of his neighbors out of business and threaten his ranch with invasion. Add to this the recently discovered fact that Senator Harry Reid's former assistant and friend Neil Kornze is now head of the BLM due to Reid's influence, and the fact that Harry Reid and his family are reaping financial rewards by driving farmers from all over the region where Cliven Bundy's ranch sits while arranging land deals with Chinese solar companies, and one has to ask, why should Bundy pay any of his hard earned money to the federal government when they are just going to use it to bulldoze his cattle and make Harry Reid more rich?
Disinformation websites like Snopes contend that Reid's "projects" are not being established anywhere near the Bundy Ranch, yet, one such project has already been launched only 35 miles south of Bundy, and, the BLM has erased a page from its website specifically mentioning the Bundy Ranch and it's "interference" with Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone Projects, the same projects Harry Reid and his son are heavily involved in.
What is amazing to me is that in light of this information hardcore socialists are still willing to defend Reid and the BLM. My question is, if the BLM is so innocent, then why are they erasing such data from their website at all? What were they trying to hide?
Harry Reid has not responded to the facts behind his financial involvement in the BLM's attacks on Nevada farmers, except to say that they are "conspiracy theories". He added when asked about the status of the confrontation:
“Well, it’s not over. We can’t have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it. So it’s not over...”
Yes, Harry, it won't be over until men like you are thrown behind bars.
Note that he says "an American people"; as if he is separate, as if he is referring to all of us as a subservient organism, or servant class. What Reid is saying is, the elites can't have "an American people" openly exposing their criminality and defying their tyranny, and then just walking away. I'm sorry to break it to Reid, but that is exactly how all of this is going to end.
Statists and bureaucrats like Reid continually attempt to argue this issue from the standpoint of Federal legality, obviously because the Federal government has the legislative and bureaucratic power to make any despicable action legal (at least on paper) if it wishes. However, the liberty movement has no interest whatsoever in Federal interpretations of legal precedence. We are only concerned with what is right. As the old saying goes, when injustice becomes law, rebellion becomes duty.
The liberty movement also fully understands that the Bundy victory was only one battle at the beginning of a long war.
The BLM may very well be waiting for activists to leave the area before attacking again. And even if that is not the case, tyrannical systems have a way of attempting to make up for signs of weakness by escalating violence during the next siege. That is to say, we should expect the next event involving the BLM or other government agencies to be even more vicious than the Bundy incident. It is simply the natural inclination of totalitarian systems to exaggerate their power when their failings have been exposed.
That said, it should be noted that corrupt leadership often crumbles in the face of steadfast resolve and courage. We have a long way to go before this Nation is once again truly free, but the liberty movement has proven its invaluable worth over the course of the past several days. We arrived at a crossroads, and we are now moving forward in the right direction — without fear and without regret. It is in these moments when history is made — when common men and women thwart the odds, defy the darkness and make good on their beliefs by risking everything in the name of freedom.
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Re "TPTB realized that to effectively deal with the "unwashed masses" they needed a strong central government with a STANDING ARMY to put down rebellions like Shays"
You perhaps have not lately read our Constitution, which states specifically in Article I, Section 8, Clause 12:
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
In Clause 13 and 14:
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
Washington's Farewell specifically excoriated standing armies, as did our Declaration of Independence.
As a safeguard to liberty our Founding Fathers also wrote the Second Amendment for the citizens' militias in the Bill of Rights.
PS: Shays Revellion was primariy that Hamilton did not pay Revolutionary War soldiers or their families what they were promised.
Instead he bought up all the worthless Continentals from bankrupted farmers and ranchers for his Bank oif New York clients, then put in the Whiskey Tax payable in silver, which caused yet another rebellion, and used the silver to redeem the Continentals at face vallue for his Bank clients.
Aaron Burr finally out him down after Hamilton smeared him in his New York Post.
So scalawag bankers and publishers have been with America from the start.
Bravo.
Right here with you:
http://bit.ly/P6SHpc
Mark Levin stated the facts on Bundy , BLM and Reid 2 days ago. Its safe to say ol Brandon can't help but listen to the show, which is a good thing.
Based on my years reading ZH, its safe to say 98.7% of readers will not lift a finger to save this country.
1.3% know that we will stand with Liberty, we will not wonder what happened when we are sent to the gas chambers.
WE are men
"WE are men"
ROTFLMAO...........
ROTFLMAO ? Must be code for I am a totally stupid dipshit that deserve's a question from the guy who is pointing a SG @#4shot at me. Want my address dogg? Come see me
Re "its safe to say 98.7% of readers will not lift a finger to save this country"
Interesting comment from someone who needs another beer.
Well, congratulations Liberty Movement. Hope your shoulder recoveries quickly after you seperated it patting yourself on the back.
And YOU have done WHAT?
Fuck the government, I stand by the Oathers and Liberty Movement 100% !!!
The thing that is really confusing them is the fact that so many people had so many guns and no one got shot.
All those skeery assault rifles.
Those amongst the confused who were extremely observant, saw that once the skeery assault rifles and other guns showed up, there were no more women attacked by dogs or people tased.
Just Feds hiding behind their rigs and noticing that they are flanked by plunging fire from cement reinforced positions.
Yeah... I guess that is what Occupy need..... "skeery assault rifles." lol
I expect there were a number of people in the fed's group at Bundy's ranch who weren't really happy with what they were doing and were at least happy to give it up when given an excuse. Maybe some of the troops made it clear to the captain, maybe the captain wasn't any too happy with it all himself.
A few years back I sold some analytical chemistry instrumentation to an owner of an alternative fuel company in Nevada. He was well connected, very smart and a pleasure to be around.
Over dinner one night he explained how he met both Harry & Rory on multiple occasions. He said Harry is one of the dumbest people he's ever met. He also said that Rory felt the same way about Harry. He was 100% convinced that Harry's 'handlers' controlled everything Harry said or did because he lacked the mental wherewithal to do any job, much less being a US Senator.
So there you have it, our Senate majority leader is an idiot.
True enough and no argument, but he does represent the intellect of at least %52 of Nevadans. Just saying
Keep drinking.
The facts regarding this issue (which differ considerably from this author's view) are stated on Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundy_standoff
I didn't know everything on Wikipedia was now all fact based and the real deal, thanks for the update.
No tag needed ..
Everything is always never true.
Phew, that was a close one.
I'm double-plus unrelieved.
There is a lot of controversy about this article within the ranks at Wikipedia. There are constant edits and deletions as well as vandalism going on and the article changes almost hourly as the partisan arguing continues.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bundy_standoff
Also there's Wikipedia editors who will enforce a bias to this level: enough incorrect information was put on about RT's Abby Martin that when it was finally corrected the Wikipedia editors who do not like her made a new policy: banishment. No page now can be created whatsoever about that reporter. Ever. It's banished until they change their minds.
That's no way to source information.
If I find a good wikipedia page it's because of the source links & references to books. That alone is what gives a page value & without the aggregation of verification links / references the page to me is worthless.
Bundy is just another crazy right-wing Mormon coot who thinks he lives in the pre-Civil War West. From Wikipedia:
Atlantic reporter Matt Ford pointed out that Cliven Bundy's claim, "I abide by all of Nevada state laws. But I don’t recognize the United States government as even existing," is at odds with Nevada's law, specifically the state's constitution.[45] Framed during the Civil War, Nevada's constitution specifically mentions the rights of the Federal Government, stating at Article 1, Section 2, "The Paramount Allegiance of every citizen is due to the Federal Government in the exercise of all its Constitutional powers as the same have been or may be defined by the Supreme Court of the United States...whensoever any portion of the States, or people thereof attempt to secede from the Federal Union, or forcibly resist the Execution of its laws, the Federal Government may, by warrant of the Constitution, employ armed force in compelling obedience to its Authority."[45]
The Salt Lake City Tribune published an editorial on 15 April entitled Bundy is a lawbreaker, not a hero, in which they said "Don't let him get away with it." [46] and "The only winner in this was a scofflaw who has twice lost in the courts for running cattle where they don’t belong and skipping out on grazing fees. Some 20,000 ranchers in Western states abide by BLM regulations, so what makes Bundy special?" [46] To sum it up, the Tribune said "When some manage to avoid justice by extralegal means, the rule of law is weakened for all Americans." [46]
Some of Bundy's neighbors aren't impressed by his actions.[47] "I feel that the rule of law supersedes armed militias coming in from all over the country to stand with a law-breaking rancher, which is what he is" Mesquite resident Elaine Hurd told local television station KLAS.[21][47]
Roger Taylor, a retired BLM district manager in Arizona, said the agency's decision to release the cattle will have repercussions.[48] "The (agency) is going to be in a worse situation where they will have a much more difficult time getting those cattle off the land and getting Bundy in compliance with regulations," he said.[48]
Dallas Hyland, in his column in Utah's St. George News, wrote,[49][50] "The stand-down was necessary to prevent bloodshed, but it must be recognized that if Bundy and a multitude of his supporters, militia friends, and even family members who broke the law, are allowed to go unpunished, anarchy will follow.[50][49] In the case of Bundy and the Gold Butte designations, the government did it right.[49] They continued to do it right in the face of the lawless behavior of a rancher and his militia henchmen."[49]
I would never live in an area where Mormons are the majority and dominated gov't and civic life. My favorite is in Boise where despite having strict religious practices against consumption against consuming alcohol, caffeine, nicotine, or engaging in gambling you have a number of Mormons who own liquor licenses and establishments that sell coffee, tobacco, or own most of the casinos outside of Indian tribes. Hell, the biggest beer distributor in Boise is a Mormon and ditto the biggest restauranteer who owns liquor licenses. Like most religious people, they are massive hypocrites and the power of a $$$ triumphs their religioius practices.
consuming is not selling. Unless their religious laws say they can't sell either they're not breaking them. I'm atheist but I've always got along fine with Mormons. They are the way they are, I'm the way I am, but they also seem to be the most adept & ardent preppers and happy to help others do the same. On that count they're good with me.
You are the first commenter to call Bundy "just another crazy right-wing Mormon coot who thinks he lives in the pre-Civil War West."
And we see now that you are not the last to throw stones in a glass house, either.
For that, you and your accomplice follower deserve more than 20 red downgrades.
Much of your argument cites totalitarian government apologists and enablers.
The "logic" pales in front of our Declaration of Independence, Constitution and Bill of Rights that state all rights not enumerated, belong to the People and the States.
You know, State collaborators did not do well in Nazi Germany, except perhaps Soros, who had his run-ins with the law over insider trading.
If all rights are belong to The Fed State, what does that leave for "We the People?"
No wonder we are in the pickle we are in.
Time to reform government with Constitutional candidates, principles and representatives.
Wiki weak article does not consider Adverse Possession, Homestead and Eminent Domain Compensation Fifth Amendment issues, as well as the right to jury of peers trial in the Seventh Amendment and the Rights of People and States in the Ninth and Tenth Amendment.
"Bundy grazed his cattle legally on an area of federal land near Bunkerville prior to 1993, but when grazing rules were changed in the Gold Butte, Nevada area in Clark County, he became locked in legal battles with the US government."
Legal land use rights cannot be taken without fair market compensation.
In this case, the BLM claimed Bundy owed $1.1 M in fines, not the other way around.
Wiki did not report that BLM, armed with snipers, slammed a pregnant woman to the ground, sicced K9 attack dogs on and repeatedly tazed peaceful unarmed protestors on video, confiscated cell phones and arms in roadblocks, shot two prize bulls with 37 head of cattle and calves missing, separated by deliberate helicopter stampede.
Nor does it report that BLM destroyed desert tortoises in their care and used a backhoe to destroy water irrigation systems in place since 1877.
Wiki does report the Walton Family Foundation was behind the Bundy cattle and land taking.
Wiki mentions the Bundy family practiced polygamy, but especially glossed over the last related grazing water rights court decision that awarded the Hage family $14.4 M plus court costs exceeding $4 M, posthumously after a 23 year legal battle over the US Forest Service harrassing his family and seizing his cattle, the Judge calling it Government Intimidation and Racketeering at its worst.
Of course the Federal Appeals Court reversed the decision, suggesting Americans do not get fair decisions in Federal Courts, even if they are right according to our constitution:
http://americanstewards.us/hage-v-us
http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/nevada-rancher-details-long-fight-prop...
Bundy is a squatter who refuses to pay fair grazing fees for the use of land that does not belong to him. Why make a hero out of this outlaw? The "liberty movement" will have to do better if they expect the public to take them seriously. What it looks like to me is a lot of guys who want to live like adolescents for their entire lives and refuse to accept adult responsibilities.
The "liberty movement" doesn't care how they are perceived.
The Battle of Bunker Ville was about people coming to the aid of a man who cried out for assistance as his property was surrounded by hundreds of BLM soldiers, including well photographed snipers on over watch of his home. His family was attacked by the BLM soldiers to include attack dogs, tasers and threat of shooting.
For whatever crimes the man is accused of, they do not warrant a death sentence on his family meted out by soldiers raiding their home in the middle of the night.
The defense of this family was the call to arms.
I agree with your point that the BLM is corrupt, nonprofessional and ineffective.
However, you can't paint Bunker as anything other than a WELFARE RANCHER!!!! I would call him a "anti-hero".. stupid and proud of it.
Over grazing on public lands is a big issue and there has to be some enforced "rules" regarding it's use so it isn't destroyed... currently the BLM selectively enforces them... look at the time they let Bunker get away with grazing his cattle with out paying!!!
BLM has done a piss poor job on all accounts. If you think this is bad, do a little research on the BLM corruption regarding oil leases and mineral and mining....
No Pace's Picante Sauce for you, dude! If you think public lands are overgrazed in the west then you are slamming the feds for incompetence as land managers really.
I think you need to read more about the facts before putting the label of "welfare rancher" on him.
1000 cattle cannot over graze 660,000 acres.
So in your agreement in the fact that the BLM is corrupt, who is going to do something about it? Will the government investigate and prosecute itself? Who will stop their corruption? On Saturday men with guns stopped it. If only temporarily.
do a little research on the BLM...
I've been interested in this topic for well over 30 years. My first exposure was learning how the BLM issued mining claims on the lands in their care. Up until the Clinton administration, any person could establish a mining claim, register it with the BLM, conduct annual assessment work and maintain the claim in perpetuity. If other criteria were met,the property could be patented at the cost of frn 5.00 an acre for a lode claim and frn 2.50 for a placer claim. The thought and idea was for the BLM to get the land off the government's books and into the private sector where taxes could be collected by the local county where the land is located.
This was a pretty sweet deal for ANY US citizen to be able to do, the problem was however, it took someone with knowledge of the system and incredibly backbreaking effort to do the work needed to comply with the rules. Others in the administration however, painted the process as somehow "giving away the ranch".
The irony is / was that unless a person now employs the likes of a Teneo or acting senator, this inherited and awesome right as a citizen is now made virtually impossible to the average citizen.
Don't forget, when taxes are no longer paid on patented peoperties, the lands revert back to the county. This is likely the reason why the BLM is trying to make it more difficult for states rights / local government forces from using the law as it appears to diminish federal / central "authority."
jmo.
Boxed Merlot - Speaking of Clinton remember this quote from him in the late 90's? "Americans have too many freedoms" - Bill Clinton
Cant rob the people when they are free now can you?
Cant rob the people when they are free...
Agreed. I was privileged to learn about the BLM and mineral rights /claims information from a gospel preacher my father had hired that moonlighted as a state high school history teacher. His curriculum and charge from his superiors in the state educational system, (Calstrs), did not allow him to instruct the students in his care with these kinds of basic information which would have been far more beneficial than the crap he was required to present.
(Remember the reason Buffet's railroad is so successful? How about the fact that as one of the greatest landowner / wealth possessor, political player and “robber barons” of the 19th century, Santa Fe, not to mention Union Pacific / Southern Pacific railways received far more than any “millionaire rancher” could ever hope to have received in a hundred lifetimes.)
I have to believe this guy still regrets having to toe the line from his “superiors” in not presenting the truth as he saw it and as it is. I remember his tales of having to sign off any future claims against the US for the health issues he suffered for his service as an engineer in Viet Nam in order to receive permission to return home and resume life as a civilian.
He is not alone, and I’m quite confident there are plenty more like him that regard our (s)elected officials as less than human and worthy of whatever wrath those not included in their gerrymandered, falsely constructed “districts” can muster.
I can only Hope.
Remember when Uncle Warren and 0 met to "discuss taxing the rich"?
All of a sudden, no Keystone Pipeline expansion and WEB's new railroad had to carry all the North Dakota oil til 2030:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-23/buffett-s-burlington-northern-a...
Now that WEB bought a pipeline the day his BNSF oil bomb train exploded, he's all for Keystone:
http://www.desmogblog.com/2014/01/02/warren-buffett-bought-stake-pipelin...
Black Box Merlot rules.
Re "you can't paint Bunker as anything other than a WELFARE RANCHER!!!!"
No, YOU can't, betraying your point of origin and lack of facts.
Brandon's essays are so inspiring that they should - along with the work of the Liberty Movement - be made available in every school, on every desk and in every library across America to inform and educate people from an early age and throughout their lives of how much more rewarding it is for every decent person to stand on their own feet, accept their strengths and weaknesses, make their own way in life and never to rely on the State. Those who rely on the State are soon disappointed, but addicted to its false promises of utopia tomorrow. Always tomorrow.
How much better that would be than the endless Statist propaganda we are bombarbed with 24x7 by The Daily Slime.
The State is an evil construction designed and intended to suck freedom from individuals and to amass power and control in the hands of its peddlers.
Edit: I see the government paid stooges are out in force battling against mankind's desire for freedom and liberty from state oppression.
Everyone hates Harry Reid. But the proof he somehow profits from these solar companies and sweetheart land deals is weak. Show me the money.
http://www.westernjournalism.com/exclusive-investigative-reports/harry-r...
Not in there. Although they did mention Reid supports gay rights--the bastard.
Reed Smelling Anything But Rosy in Ranch Fight
Desert Showdown Blows Lid Off Long-Standing Plans with Chinese
Written and documented by a Phi Beta Kappa Harvard PhD in Political Science who wrote two NYT Best Sellers:
http://bit.ly/1gUgM8A
Rory Reid handled the China ENN Solar Plant negotiations that bought the land for under $5 M when it was worth over $38 M.
When this started last week there were 49 Million hits on Google documenting this.
Now there are 692,000 disputing it.
Welcome to the non-voting GOOG memory hole.
BLM USA land has been disappearing on Clark County records and reappearing on Reid LLC and Trust records for zero consideration.
Enough for you?
http://bit.ly/1eIFUVo
posts like this are really damaging to ZH's credibility. i come here for news and insight on what is moving the markets, not neo-terrorist propaganda.
Perhaps you should take greater care with where you click your mouse. I believe the headline was pretty clear about the article's contents.
my comment was about the quality of posts on ZH, and my dismay that an extremist political rant was appearing on a financial news website. i worded it pretty clearly, so sorry if that was tough for you to comprehend.
i didn't know ZH posters were members of some libertarian gestapo - no outside opinions allowed!
"my comment was about the quality of posts on ZH, and my dismay that an extremist political rant was appearing on a financial news website. i worded it pretty clearly, so sorry if that was tough for you to comprehend."
If your pussy hurts that bad maybe you need to get the fuck out. The door is over there.
it seems like i hit a nerve with you, are you ok? i'm surprised so many free-speechers are wetting their pants over a difference in opinion. i guess you haven't learned what irony is yet.
i don't want this site to become a political echo chamber for extremist views, plain and simple; ZH's contribution to the financial discourse is too important to devolve into something like that, and there are plenty of other places on the internet for that sort of thing.
you're entitled to your opinion to disagree, but it doesn't mean i have to "get the fuck out" as you suggest. feel free to practice what you preach, any time now.
Ha!
I'm not the pussy that's bitching and moaning!
You don't have to get the fuck out. Never said you did. Just deal with the place or man up and shut your fucking pie hole. Quit being such a fucking woman. Sorry that free speech makes you uncomfortable.
"I'm not the pussy that's bitching and moaning!.."
By using crass, intimidating and vulgar language in your arguments, you are establishing the weakness of your POV.
Your misogynist attitude has no place in this forum. And that in and of itself establishes the validity of the counter argument.
You're not from around here, are you?
Dewd, you've been here 7 weeks?
This article is still trending mild for ZH.
How are the markets trending?
They are füking rigged by criminals that are beyond the reach of what currently passes for "law", that's how they are trending.
Here's a good one for you. Careful though, might hurt your vag.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-01-28/department-homeland-security-pu...
Abiotic Oil Government abuse is auto-cloning.
FUND: Military-style units from govt agencies wreaking havoc on non-violent citizens... http://www.nationalreview.com/article/376053/united-states-swat-john-fund
"Brian Walsh, a senior legal analyst with the Heritage Foundation, says it is inexplicable why so many federal agencies need to be battle-ready: “If these agencies occasionally have a legitimate need for force to execute a warrant, they should be required to call a real law-enforcement agency, one that has a better sense of perspective. The FBI, for example, can draw upon its vast experience to determine whether there is an actual need for a dozen SWAT agents.”
"Since 9/11, the feds have issued a plethora of homeland-security grants that encourage local police departments to buy surplus military hardware and form their own SWAT units. By 2005, at least 80 percent of towns with a population between 25,000 and 50,000 people had their own SWAT team. The number of raids conducted by local police SWAT teams has gone from 3,000 a year in the 1980s to over 50,000 a year today."
Guaranteedbonus - The problem with straight financial reporting is that it now involves government involvement of the markets. Reporting on Obamacare for example needs to be read in how it affects my business.
The government doing land grabs for our new Chinese masters affects my business. Mainstream press ties finance and politics together too. That's because government and business has merged. It's called fascism in case you hadn't heard.
What exactly is your opinion? I listen to financial professionals all fucking day and they all have 1 thing to say: "this is a robust economic recovery in America"
which is pure bullshit and lies backed by balance-sheet fraud & unloading their junk so someone else is stuck with the losses.
What I found most telling: while trying to push REITs in a conference, unknown to the presenter (teleconference) almost no one dialed in at all to listen & for the last 30 minutes no one was there to listen at all - they all hung up.
The sheeple are wising up. They know it's all lies now.
For those having Q&A it's all rigged. If you're not from Goldman, JP Morgan or other previously-allied sell-siders you aren't allowed to ask any question and thus let everyone else hear that the "professionals" have no answer at all. They get very flustered and angry when you show them up in public as frauds or incompetent.
Yes, the population on ZH suffers a total dumbing down when the social conservative faction that masquerade as 'libertarians' climb aboard for the guns-n-gawd knee-jerk articles.
I think that you don't know what you are talking about. ZeroHedge even covers politics, geo-polotics, and other varied informative news that are hard to find on the MSM.
My suggestion is that if you don't like the article, HIT THE BACK BUTTON. That is YOUR right and it is my suggestion that you make use of this right.
Just my .02 cents.
WAMO
please read my comment again, as it appears you failed to comprehend my point.
ZH's reputation is primarily as a financial news blog, and providing insight into the goings-on in financial markets (for example, the great series of posts on copper-backed financing deals in china).
in my opinion, and the opinion of many other actual financial professionals that are longtime readers of ZH, extremist political opinion pieces like this one damage the site's credibility.
that has nothing to do with clicking the back button. it's an expression of genuine dismay at what this site is becoming.
ZH will be much less relevant if people start viewing it as a political cesspool of birthers, truthers, survivialists, and extremists (and many people are already starting to view it that way). that's a fact.
I'm sure the Tylers will appreciate your views on what should be posted on ZH. The fact that you're so dismayed indicates that they are doing something right. You might want to stop using the phrase 'actual financial professionals' so much since it sounds like "factory air conditioned air from our fully factory-equipped air conditioned factory".
When you start paying the bills and writing the checks maybe somebody will give a fuck what you think.
whatever that means, MeatTickler. i'm pretty sure the tax bill on my bonus is larger than what you've paid to the IRS the last few years.
"you seem to be getting riled up. are you mad?" LOL!
I wouldn't be so sure of that - you might be suprised! Your prejudice is showing!
You still pay 'voluntary' taxes?
Hey, U mad bro?
Listen,
In case you didn't know, "Financials" covers EVERYTHING! You want to fight a war, you need money to buy: Beans, Bandages and Bullets...and you got to pay the men to fight. You want to send Buck Rogers Into space, then you better get some BUCKS to spend on the Rocket.
FINANCIALS covers everything!
You should know that, but your too busy being the snarky, sarcastic antagonistic knucklehead to pay attention to the subtle themes that run through ZH.
IT IS THE RARE AND UNIQUE SNOWFLAKE THAT LEARNS BY TALKING RATHER THEN LISTENING.
Re "many other actual financial professionals that are longtime readers of ZH"
Where exactly do you work as a financial professional?
And how are you actually a longtime reader of ZH as a ZH Member for 7 weeks 5 days?
Witness protection program?
You have less credibility than BLM, 0, Harry Reid and Dina Titus combined.
Only the mentally incompetent fail to connect politics, armed conflict, conflict ready to turn armed, to finance. They are all connected.
"cesspool of birthers, truthers, survivialists"
Now I see clearly you're off your rocker. The only sane people are survivalists, truthers and as for 'birthers' the issue itself is barely going to dent reality but the fact is Obama has no real birth certificate for being an 'American'. None. What he produced was a clear and obvious fake as analyzed & very publicly by professionals around the world.
posts like this are really damaging to ZH's credibility. i come here for news and insight on what is moving the markets, not neo-terrorist propaganda.
A twofer from the latest government paid disinfo agent - 7 weeks, 3 days.
You mean Alex Jones? Is he posting here? Damn, I want his autograph. And also, wanna know where he gets his coke, seems so powerful (except for losing weight).
it seems you have an issue with people who have opinions contrary to yours. aren't you guys all about defending free speech?
just because i don't post often doesn't make me a paid hack. but you can tell yourself that if it makes you feel better.
people who have been ZH readers for the past 6 years (and who are actual financial professionals) are quickly removing the site from their bookmarks - and it is ridiculous posts like this one that are the reason for it. sorry if that doesn't sit well with you.
LOL! ZH is doing just fine except for the nonsense posted by idiots like you. How about some examples of the "actual financial professionals" who are removing their bookmarks?
the only proof needed is the preponderence of posters like you relative to people actually saying something relevant.
take a look at the ZH comments section in 2008, 2009, 2010. it wasn't filled with nonsensical political pissing matches like the one you're trying to instigate here.
So you don't have examples then. Big fail trying to deflect moron. I notice you're still in the pissing match also.
you seem to be getting riled up. are you mad?
i'll repeat what i said, it wasn't too complicated so i'm sure you can understand it: look at the discourse on this site today versus 4 or 5 years ago. that is all the proof you need that many financial professionals have all but abandoned contributing to the discourse on the site, which is a real shame.
Links or it's bullshit.
nice try. i assume as such an esteemed poster you're fully capable of going back to the archives (as i've now already suggested twice) to persue the content of posts and comments by yourself.
if you're too lazy to do that, you're really only proving my point that the ZH comments section is becoming increasingly more populated with sychophants who desire an echo chamber than people who do any real criticial thinking.
I thought your point was about how you're so emotionally attached to ZH that you are...wait for it...dismayed by the article you've probably forgotten the title of already. You've been a member for less than 8 weeks yet you seem to have appointed yourself the content critic here. We don't need you or your disjointed bullshit opinions about, anything really. And we've all read the articles you insist we persue (sic) but I doubt that you have. I also doubt you know anything about critical thinking since you have displayed the complete opposite with the codswallop you have posted. Feel free to stick around though since we can always use another idiot for target practice.
Not for real financial details or geopolitics. Only for abortion, global warming & religion do the echo-chambers kick in, pretending god is real and global warming is a hoax when actually the opposite is very clearly true.
Just pull up the old archive comments on this site from 2008 and read.
(deep sigh and rolling eyes...)
I concur... remember the days of "junking" people....
I have found other sites that have less filler in them.. and more hard facts. Thank you ZH but I don't need your opinions shoved down my throat... I'll draw my own conclusions after I have reviewed the "facts", difficult to find these days... I come here when I am bored for entertainment now....
If I remember correctly in the early years ZH had a sudo moderator looking over the comments.. was it marley???
Of course giving feedback to NSA and politics have nothing to do with markets.
/sarc shark snark
In fact, based on the record posts on this subject, might be fair and safe to say the usual suspects in DC are soiling their pants in anticipation of 4 November 2014.
How many resigned or died already?
42
http://www.rollcall.com/politics/casualtylist.html/
A real live "financial professional"? Well goddam Batman - we ned to sit up and listen to this motherfucker - he's obviously a goddam genius!
LOL! That's right. And don't forget he's read all the ZH articles dating back to when the Germans attacked Pearl Harbor.
Re "actual financial professionals"
(posting on Saturday ~ must be a market open somewhere)
Working on our standup comedy routine are we now?
And a dig at ZH that allows you to post your drivel?
Now that's worth a double downgrade.
Guaranteed Bonehead:
We heard you the first time Mr 7 weeks and 3 days. I'm sure everyone is weeping at the fact up you have not had your belly filled with market moving knowledge and insight into the forces driving the financial markets these days. Sorry to disappoint you, and my apologies for they guy holding a gun to your head making you read the article entitled "Liberty Movement Rising? What exactly did you think the article was about then ?
Let me fucking break it down for you real simple like. The Fed controls the stock markets, the PM markets, and the credit markets. Any other "free markets" you would like to know about ?
End of fucking story.
ah, i'm glad i can get insight from somebody with the handle "DirkDiggler". please, do continue. your insane rantings are fascinating.
my comment was about this site losing credibilty, and your response really only proves this point. news flash: this site is popular for its relevance to financial markets, and drives people away by trying to compete with stormfront and other fringe secessionist groups with postings like this one.
again, i'm sorry if that doesn't sit well with you. there are plenty of other sites to go to if you're looking for an echo chamber for pro-gun and extreme libertarian views.
i'll wait while you grab a kleenex - it sounds like all the talk about guns may have caused you to make a mess in your pants.
The only one who has lost credibility is you, guarandweedus...
Post links supporting your ascertions or STFU and take your trolling back to HuffPo or Yahoo!
DaddyO
i'm not your maid - feel free to go back and read the old postings: nobody's stopping you.
btw: you might be a bit more convincing by running a spellcheck first - "ascertions" isn't a word.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ascertion?s=t
And you might not look like such a pisswit by using persue instead of peruse. We can add grammar Nazi to the list of your qualifications. Impressive.
That's the best you've got?
Pedantic Douche...
DaddyO
Re "stormfront and other fringe secessionist groups"
Wow are you clueless.
Who writes your trash?
It is interesting... I didn't see the "liberty movement" supporting Occupy Wall street....
Now why is that?
Re "i come here for news and insight on what is moving the markets"
What's about to move the markets is a new-found faith in freedom from the grassroots.
Um, pardon the silly question, why didn't Clive claim to be an illegal immigrant? No way the feds mess with that!
Sorry folks, but characterizing the patriot movement as a sleeping giant waking in fury when things get bad enough just doesn't square with the facts.
Things have been bad enough for decades. Waco should have waken that giant up and precipitated an armed revolution, not in Waco Texas, but in Washington DC. Ditto for 9/11 and the Patriot Act. Ditto for the '08 crash and massive bank bailouts.
To my knowledge Waco didn't draw one single "patriot" out there. Those men women and children were alone against govt troops and tanks.
No excuse will fly. If "patriots" didn't know about it, why? It was all over the news. If they thought Davidians were religious kooks deserving death, why? What about the 1st amendment? Why did they believe the govt story?
Waco happened shortly after the "patriot" movement sprang up, and was the slam-dunk end of it. It was the absolute worst govt aggression against the people in modern times, and the "patriot" movement did nothing but whine bitch and make excuses.
If Waco didn't jolt that giant to action, noting will. Waco was the test. It conclusively proved the "patriot" movement was fake and would do nothing against govt aggression. Govt knew they had a green light to do anything they wanted.
Then things really started happening. OKC bombing. 9/11 and the Patriot Act. '08 fake financial collapse, kicking off the final end-game banker looting of America that will finish destroying this nation.
Bundy ranch "patriot" response is puny worthless and laughable. Small initial success getting BLM to back down, bragging about rescuing some cattle, forgetting they stood by while 80 some odd men women and children were exterminated 20 years earlier.
Bundy ranch is too little too late. "patriots" there will be easily overpowered next confrontation by the new 5 million strong DHS domestic military encompassing every LEO down to city police.
You don't kill a snake by attacking the tail, and Bunkerville is the tail. The head is in Washington DC where "patriots" won't go.
"patriot" movement is long on emotion and short on knowledge. More they don't know than they do know. In other words, they know just enough to be dangerous to themselves.
"fuck the govt" is emotion, not action. Wishing, not planning. Hope, not strategy nor tactics.
And that's all we see from the "patriot" movement. Emotion, wishing, hoping. No planning, no strategy, no tactics, no action.
Those are the facts.
@Drifter:
Exactly what have you done that surpasses the Bundy showdown? Just the facts please.
Your "Bundy showdown" will be followed by "Bundy eviction".
So it's meaningless.
That's what I thought - nothing.
Drifter, you have it completely wrong. The Liberty movement hadn't asserted itself previously for a number of reasons. First and foremost, Liberty-minded folk are for rule of law. There's always been the belief that through rational thought, reason and the rule of law much of the consternation could be handled diplomatically.
The reality is that even those in Government who portrayed themselves as supporters of the Constitution have swayed toward the state, or at least finally revealed their hand. The picture you paint is less black and white but rather gradients of grey, slowly being eroded like waves in a rising tide relentlessly lapping at the shoreline. It is only because the Liberty folk areTHE ONLY ONES STILL FOLLOWING RULE OF LAW that things haven't come undone sooner.
Lastly, these people are the epitome of self-sufficient life. They pay their taxes and take care of others without much assistance and certainly without a "net". So in short, they have too busy producing to give the nation's problems their full attention. After all, they have been carrying the load. But please don't be fooled into mistaking the severity of retribution now that the Liberty masses have come to full battle cry. These are the original survivors. They are for peace but when the gloves come off- watch out.
WE have the numbers. WE have the will. WE are stronger than you. WE will die trying! "Your friends might get me in a rush but not before I turn YOUR head into a canoe, got it?"
Don't Fucking Tread on Me!
"Liberty-minded folk are for rule of law. There's always been the belief that through rational thought, reason and the rule of law much of the consternation could be handled diplomatically."
Tell that to the 80 men women and children exterminated in Waco.
Your "handled diplomatically" sounds a lot like "coward", which is much closer to fact.
Let's not mince words. Your "liberty movement" is a wish not a plan, and never will be a plan.
"Don't Fucking Tread on Me!"
Hey idiot, you're being tread on as we speak.
"WE have the numbers. WE have the will. WE are stronger than you. WE will die trying!"
Yes you have the numbers, no you don't have the will, no you're not stronger, and yes you will die. As dissidents, not liberators. Defeated, not victorious.
Good thing Winston Churchill didn't have your attitude.
Churchill didn't waste 20 years wishing about it, talking about it, and never doing it.
What's your next lame dumbass comeback?
Oh, nothing much. Just that if we are going to do something about it, people like you are going to get in the way.
"Just that if we are going to do something about it"
We don't have to entertain that possibility, because it's not a possibility, it flat won't happen.
It just happened - in Nevada.
"Just that if we are going to do something about it"
Operative word, "IF"
Re "you will die. As dissidents, not liberators. Defeated, not victorious"
Tell that to the Bundy Family, most vets and Washington troops in Valley Forge for the winter frostbite.
Defeatist whining did not make America great.
Drifter, you have it completely wrong. The Liberty movement hadn't asserted itself previously for a number of reasons. First and foremost, Liberty-minded folk are for rule of law. There's always been the belief that through rational thought, reason and the rule of law much of the consternation could be handled diplomatically.
The reality is that even those in Government who portrayed themselves as supporters of the Constitution have swayed toward the state, or at least finally revealed their hand. The picture you paint is less black and white but rather gradients of grey, slowly being eroded like waves in a rising tide relentlessly lapping at the shoreline. It is only because the Liberty folk areTHE ONLY ONES STILL FOLLOWING RULE OF LAW that things haven't come undone sooner.
Lastly, these people are the epitome of self-sufficient life. They pay their taxes and take care of others without much assistance and certainly without a "net". So in short, they have too busy producing to give the nation's problems their full attention. After all, they have been carrying the load. But please don't be fooled into mistaking the severity of retribution now that the Liberty masses have come to full battle cry. These are the original survivors. They are for peace but when the gloves come off- watch out.
WE have the numbers. WE have the will. WE are stronger than you. WE will die trying! "Your friends might get me in a rush but not before I turn YOUR head into a canoe, got it?"
Don't Fucking Tread on Me!
Spot on Drifter. The 'liberty' movement doesn't have a single constructive idea that I can hear. Complaining doesn't count. Also nobody has any idea how much stamina you need if you want to defeat a superior enemy or how viscious that enemy can become. They put Nelson Mandela away for 27 YEARS before he saw something come of his dreams.
"Complaining doesn't count."
They've spent 20 years now complaining and "getting the truth out". While govt moves right on ahead like the "liberty movement" doesn't even exist.
Everybody wants to get the truth out it seems. That's it. Just get the truth out.
I guess they hope getting the truth out will magically push govt back behind the constitution somehow. It hasn't happened in 20 years and won't happen in 20 more years.
Internet makes getting the truth out lots easier. But getting the truth out doesn't change anything. 99% of Americans don't care about the truth and govt certainly doesn't care.
When 99% of Americans don't care, the "liberty movement" will remain a tiny insignificant do-nothing minority, exactly what we've seen 20 years now.
No folks, "liberty movement" isn't new, it's been around 20 freikin years now. And they've done ZERO to move govt back toward the constitution.
In that 20 yrs govt has built a 5 million strong fully armed domestic military, what DHS is more or less. It might be 7 million by now.
"domestic" means American dissidents are the enemy. Anyone opposing the govt in any way. DHS has had ten years now to train those people that anyone opposing the govt in any way is the enemy, especially "constitutionalists". Go look it up. It's in all sorts of LE training material.
So while the "liberty movement" has accomplished nothing in 20 years, the govt has accomplished a lot, building up a multi-million domestic military fully capable of stamping out any "insurgency" the "liberty movement" might be dreaming about.
And that's all it is, a dream.
Drifter
History, endlessly repeating. Never changes. "American Revolution" one event in the endless cycle.
The Liberty Movement sent the Feds home with their tail tucked between their legs and got the Bundys cows back. They faced down snipers, body armor, M4's, Aimpoints and a lot of other shit.
That's reality - not a dream.
Re "99% of Americans don't care about the truth"
42% of Americans no longer vote D or R, but Independent:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/166763/record-high-americans-identify-indepen...
When 25% of eligible voters actually vote, that is enough to elect liberty candidates.
2014 may be the first year a Constitutional Indpendent Libertarian is elected to National office, in Clark County, Las Vegas, Nevada:
http://bit.ly/P6SHpc
Only if you support him and stop complaining...
Re "The 'liberty' movement doesn't have a single constructive idea that I can hear"
You must not be listening or reading.
We still have a Declaration of Independence, Constitution and Bill of Rights that made us the most successful country in the history of the world until we let the criminals take over.
Our power is showing up to vote for patriots at the ballot box:
http://bit.ly/1lmmLeQ
http://bit.ly/1mnRUOL
http://bit.ly/1kNeNsw
Drifter:
For your sake, mine, and everyone else's, I pray to god you're wrong.
Re "You don't kill a snake by attacking the tail, and Bunkerville is the tail. The head is in Washington DC where "patriots" won't go."
The problem with DC is not enough patriots.
The solution is running, supporting and voting for patriots only:
http://bit.ly/1gV2AAK
I would like to pause the topic and draw for you an analogy...
Ask yourself this fellow critical thinkers, you group of sharper than average wit wielders,
Do paid trolls move you? Do they change your opinions? Do they annoy you? Do you feel they are an unnecessary distraction? If one day you'd simply had enough of them would you act or leave zh? Would you need to join a group first?
The fact is that said disinfo agents disturb the honest fighting that goes on here. They encroach on the rules of this club.
I submit to you that overbearing authorities are nothing more than armed, paid trolls. Now ask yourselves the same questions as above.
My money is on people thinking and acting for themselves.
Hedge accordingly.
And I guess a paid troll, to you, is everyone who is critical of the herd thinking at ZH, right?
If you understood what attracts individuals to zh voluntarily it would render your question moot. Since you don't we can easily tell who you are.
People being so different I don't have the arrogance to think I know the exact reason why they come here. I started coming here because I found certain information being posted here interesting and not available regularly on other places. Still I never liked the BS, eg. Brandon's or the Mises Institute. Or that stupidity about Obama being "socialist" "communist" "the anti christ" or whatever. He can be a lot of bad, really bad things, but there are more precise terms to describe it which have nothing to do with the hammer and sickle.
And yeah, I'm still waiting for those greenbacks from your govt, wonder when they recruited me as I don't ever remember having anything to do with meriken. Nevertheless I'll still think on my own, even when it doesn't conform to the herd mentality here.
Re "Or that stupidity about Obama being "socialist" "communist" "the anti christ" or whatever."
How do you describe 0?
Sink Critically - It's a modernized tactic of Sun Zu Art of War, lesson one:
Use deception to divide allies. The US government by its behavior is driving people into each others arms. For now, supplying the truth suffices. Hearts and minds first. Other things later if required. Time will tell.
Roger, read it more than a quarter century ago.
Here's my favorite quote:
"Justice and mercy are principles on which to govern a state but not an army, opportunism and flexibility on the other hand, are military rather than civic virtues."
And my second favorite quote:
"When you are weak appear strong, and when you are strong appear weak."
My parents believed in the old saying "Don't go to bed mad, stay up and fight!". The trolls here are actually irrelevant IMO but some feel differently. Sometimes it's instructive to poke the ninnies with a stick.
Many will fight the authorities, more than some people think. I've been watching the organization and military training from the vets for civilians and the push for physical training. The need for auxiliary people to cook the food, load ammo, man the comm links, gather intel etc. Even if you are old and out of shape, you can help because there's a need for people to support the shooters. You'd be surprised, shocked even, at what's been going on.
Hedge accordingly indeed.
Similar here. My parents always used to say: "Don't reply to an idiot. People won't know who the idiot was". But, as J.A. Goytisolo branded in poetry: "My granddaddy told me, so did my father. They told me a thousand times, but I forgot many more."
It's amazing how threads that draw attention to armed citizens confronting an overzealous Federal government seem to bring out a dozen or more rarely heard from, but long established accounts. It's like they only show up for certain types of threads and then they show up en masse.
Must be coincidence.
More Like: Brownshirt Movement Rising
If they were black or Mexican I don't think there would have been militia support. I read Alex Jones threads where a vast majority of militia post and it's not so positive for the the blackie and brownie. How many 'coloreds' did you see out there at the Bundy ranch?
Oh, they know better than get entangled with crazy crackers.
Perhaps you should demand an affirmitive action program to encourage minority participation in the Liberty movement.
I for one would welcome any member of the Liberty movement regardless of skin color.
Perhaps you can explain why minorities are under represented in the movement that espouses personal responsibility and small government?
Remember when the racist "Barry Soetoro" was outraged when Cambridge cops "acted stupidly".. Depends what color you are before Barry takes a side.
Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates, Jr. and Cambridge cops, who were condemned last night by President Barack Obama for acting 'stupidly' in arresting the African-American scholar..
Was it the event that was followed by the beer summit?
Maybe Obama has heard the call from the 'american' middle class this time? Or should he behave differently this time? That would be ray-cist.
Hey all you fucking libertys and armed resistors, the feds have 6000 M1 Abrams tanks.
How many do you have?
Anyone who says that a civilian with an AR or an AK can’t stop a tank is apparently unaware that there are people INSIDE of a tank, and they don’t live there.
And Their family doesn't live their either. And are sitting at their home, when he is inside That tank.
And if they think that we cant collate and collect the names addresses schools their kids go to and every other goddam piece of information and build our own databases they might just get a big surprise too
Benito's smiling from hell reading these posts. If he could, he'd be sending Italian silk black shirts for you all to wear, for free...
If anything Benito (ADOLF, MAO, AND JOSEF) would be envious of the surveillaiance state that our beloved leader has at his disposal.
So why are we still in Afghanistan? No tanks over there?
They have thousands of armed chair chickenhawks and obese gun toters with a micro-penis trauma. You can't beat that, no matter how many tanks, fighters, drones, 500lb bombs, white phosphorus, Apache Helis, tactical nukes or whatever you have.
Just remember, a bunch of little vietnamese guys running around the jungle in pajamas (mostly armed with crappy SKS rifles) killed over 50,000 US soldiers in Viet Nam. A bunch of illiterate peasants in the mountains of Afghanistan not only defeated the soviets but also killed many american soldiers during the war of error. We still can't win that war either.
A bunch of little (and lean gotta add) Vietnamese who had no choice but to fight because their villages were burnt down. Whole families murdered. Been fighting foreign enemies since they were born. Lived a life of privation, of little to no private property they could call their own. Had to walk through awful rugged terrain for long kilometers. And died like flies because their lives were cheap to their leaders and enemies alike. People who had no choice but desperation.
Or in Afghanistan, where kids are born with an automatic rifle and since tender ages are engaged in warfare. Who also live a life of privation, of little to no private property. Of strict social and moral codes. Of walking long kilometers through rugged mountains. Many who lost all their families to warfare, etc...
Now contrast those examples with today's Americans. It's like that game of finding the differences. Most people here don't seem to be able to find any though.
Good to know that a Euroweenie advocates the use of white phosporous against American citizens.
Not European. But I bet a bunch of Fallujans would think that's the closest thing to poetic justice, though.
this is a powerful video from a film maker at the show down. it will send chills down your spine. http://www.westernjournalism.com/footage-bundy-massacre/#6sMYEJi1DZrCGUi...
he makes a good point: the BLM doesn't jam M16s down the throats of the drug runners and cartels and people smugglers down on the Mexican border.
good find thanks
Justice?
Not in America.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/13/fbi-blocked-in-corruptio...
Snowden could do a fantastic service to Americans if he would reveal the names on the list known as Main Core, which is held by the NSA.
There is supposed to be 8 million + people on that list.
Right now, Reid is calling Americans "Domestic Terrorists" and promising retribution for their dissent in Nevada.
If the people on Main Core knew that they were targeted for destruction, the knowledge would forge them into an Army, with no other choice than to co-operate with each other and to resist.