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Guest Post: Liberty Movement Rising

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Submitted by Brandon Smith of Alt-Market.com,

"Freedom had been hunted round the globe; reason was considered as rebellion; and the slavery of fear had made men afraid to think. But such is the irresistible nature of truth, that all it asks, and all it wants, is the liberty of appearing."  - Thomas Paine

The label of “fringe” is a common one used by statists, bureaucrats and paid shills in order to marginalize those who would stand against government corruption. The primary assertion being sold is that the “majority” joyously supports the establishment; and the majority, of course, is always right.

The liberty movement, which is a collection of numerous freedom organizations and political activists brought together by a shared philosophical bond, has been accused of “fringe” status for quite some time. With corporatist dominance over the mainstream media for decades backing an elitist machine in Washington and a global banking cartel footing the bill with money created from thin air, any such accusation can be made to seem “real” to those who are unaware.

The problem has always been a matter of physical action giving rise to an acknowledgment of numbers.

We have all heard the old story of the debate within the ancient Roman government over the idea of forcing the slave population to wear distinct armbands so that they could be more easily identified among the regular population. The concept was rejected on the realization that if the slaves were given a visual confirmation of their considerable numbers and strength, they would be encouraged to revolt against the Roman tyrants. That is to say, as long as the slaves felt isolated, they would remain apathetic and powerless. Of course, that was not always the case. Sometimes, a small group would stand up despite their supposed isolation, and the rest of the world, wide-eyed and astonished, would take notice.

The liberty movement has just experienced one of its first great moments of realization and empowerment in Clark County, Nev., and millions of past naysayers have been shell-shocked.

I covered my views in detail on the Bundy Ranch saga in Nevada in my article “Real Americans Are Ready To Snap,” amid the usual choir of disinformation agents and nihilists desperate to convince Web audiences that the liberty movement would do nothing to stop the Bureau of Land Management’s militant assault on Cliven Bundy’s cattle farm. This assault included hundreds of Federal agents, helicopters, contractors hired essentially as cattle rustlers and even teams of snipers.

The statists and socialists were certainly out in force to misrepresent the Bundy issue and frighten anyone who might consider taking a stand for the family. The Southern Poverty Law Center, not surprisingly, was hard at work spreading lies and disinformation about the confrontation in Nevada, painting a picture of fractured patriot groups and militiamen with “little training” going to face unstoppable Federal BLM agents and likely “ending up dead.” The SPLC insinuated that the movement was ineffective and in over its head.

The reality was much the opposite. Liberty groups arrived in droves and were staunchly unified — not by a centralized leadership, but in defense of the basic moral principles outlined in the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights. Sources on the ground at the Bundy ranching operation relayed to me that at least 1,000 activists and militia members arrived over the weekend, with many more on the way. This one event proved certain points:

  1. The liberty movement is not afraid to put itself in harm’s way for the right cause — even if this means facing off against highly armed government thugs.
  2. The liberty movement has the ability to field a response team or even an army anywhere in the country at any time within a couple of days.
  3. The liberty movement has the ability to change the course of events, even to the point of removing Federal agents from a region who are acting in an unConstitutional manner.
  4. The Federal government is not invincible, nor is it unfazed by liberty movement opposition. They worry about our strength and ability.

Over the past weekend, we witnessed the true influence of the liberty movement. As thousands of activists and militia arrived in the area, the BLM finally began to understand what it was facing. The government agency that has been terrorized farming communities throughout the West for years, the agency armed with military-grade weaponry and hundreds of agents, ran away, as freedom fighters descended on the region.

Nevada Governor Brian Sandoval and Clark County Sheriff Doug Gillespie, two politicians who were deathly silent during the beginning of the Federal incursion on the Bundy ranch, have now suddenly become vocal in defense of Nevada ranchers against the BLM. It’s amazing how “inspired” politicians can become to do the right thing when they see an army of liberty activists marching against tyranny in their own backyard.

Not only was the BLM forced to remove itself from the area, but it was also forced to relinquish all the cattle it had stolen from Bundy over the course of the past week. Here, liberty groups close in on the cattle holding pens of the BLM and take back Bundy’s property.

Statists are indignant and furious over the surrender of the BLM. The same people who boasted that liberty activists would be slaughtered by Fed agents are now frothing at the mouth because they did not get their massacre. Not only that, but the bureaucracy they worship has shown itself to be impotent in the face of Constitutional champions. All I can say is nothing puts a bigger grin on my face than to see statists cry like babies when their delusions of grandeur are trampled on.

This was a major victory for the liberty movement. But let’s be clear; the fight is just beginning.

I suspect that the Bundy event will be spun by news agencies and the government until it is unrecognizable. They will claim that the BLM left not because they were wrong, but because they were trying to keep people safe. They will claim that liberty movement protesters were the aggressors and the poor BLM agents were just trying to do their jobs. They will play the race card as they always do, much like this pathetically lazy and unprofessional article from Slate, which asserts that if the Bundy's had been black, the Liberty Movement would have never supported them. They will argue the so-called Federal legality of the raid itself, and paint Bundy as a “freeloader” who refuses to pay taxes and who is living off the American people. They will do everything in their power to destroy the image of the victory and soil the name of the Bundy family.

What they don’t seem to understand, though, is that the liberty movement does not care what the Federal government deems “legal” or “illegal.” Our only interest is what is Constitutional and what is moral. The dispute was never about the “legality” of Bundy’s use of the land, which his family used for grazing without interference for generations — until 1993, when the BLM used the absurd endangered species protection racket to put all of his neighbors out of business and threaten his ranch with invasion.  Add to this the recently discovered fact that Senator Harry Reid's former assistant and friend Neil Kornze is now head of the BLM due to Reid's influence, and the fact that Harry Reid and his family are reaping financial rewards by driving farmers from all over the region where Cliven Bundy's ranch sits while arranging land deals with Chinese solar companies, and one has to ask, why should Bundy pay any of his hard earned money to the federal government when they are just going to use it to bulldoze his cattle and make Harry Reid more rich?

Disinformation websites like Snopes contend that Reid's "projects" are not being established anywhere near the Bundy Ranch, yet, one such project has already been launched only 35 miles south of Bundy, and, the BLM has erased a page from its website specifically mentioning the Bundy Ranch and it's "interference" with Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone Projects, the same projects Harry Reid and his son are heavily involved in.

What is amazing to me is that in light of this information hardcore socialists are still willing to defend Reid and the BLM.  My question is, if the BLM is so innocent, then why are they erasing such data from their website at all?  What were they trying to hide?

Harry Reid has not responded to the facts behind his financial involvement in the BLM's attacks on Nevada farmers, except to say that they are "conspiracy theories".  He added when asked about the status of the confrontation:

“Well, it’s not over. We can’t have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it. So it’s not over...”

Yes, Harry, it won't be over until men like you are thrown behind bars.

Note that he says "an American people"; as if he is separate, as if he is referring to all of us as a subservient organism, or servant class.  What Reid is saying is, the elites can't have "an American people" openly exposing their criminality and defying their tyranny, and then just walking away.  I'm sorry to break it to Reid, but that is exactly how all of this is going to end.

Statists and bureaucrats like Reid continually attempt to argue this issue from the standpoint of Federal legality, obviously because the Federal government has the legislative and bureaucratic power to make any despicable action legal (at least on paper) if it wishes. However, the liberty movement has no interest whatsoever in Federal interpretations of legal precedence. We are only concerned with what is right. As the old saying goes, when injustice becomes law, rebellion becomes duty.

The liberty movement also fully understands that the Bundy victory was only one battle at the beginning of a long war.

The BLM may very well be waiting for activists to leave the area before attacking again. And even if that is not the case, tyrannical systems have a way of attempting to make up for signs of weakness by escalating violence during the next siege. That is to say, we should expect the next event involving the BLM or other government agencies to be even more vicious than the Bundy incident. It is simply the natural inclination of totalitarian systems to exaggerate their power when their failings have been exposed.

That said, it should be noted that corrupt leadership often crumbles in the face of steadfast resolve and courage. We have a long way to go before this Nation is once again truly free, but the liberty movement has proven its invaluable worth over the course of the past several days. We arrived at a crossroads, and we are now moving forward in the right direction — without fear and without regret. It is in these moments when history is made — when common men and women thwart the odds, defy the darkness and make good on their beliefs by risking everything in the name of freedom.

 

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Fri, 04/18/2014 - 11:34 | 4673101 muleskinner
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Take Harry Reid and tie a rope around his chest, hoist his worthless hide about 2 feet above the ground so people can laugh and point at him for 8 hours per day.  Untie the scoundrel, place him in a small room to sleep off the hard day's work of being ridiculed and insulted all day long while hanging there in front of everybody to see.  Then when he wakes up the next day, he can be tied up with a rope around his chest and 2 feet above the ground so it can be done all over again.

Make it 10 hours a day and pay him 2 hours overtime and 2 more hours of rest before he has to do it all over again the next day.

Let him live to suffer a miserable existence.  With any luck, he'll make it to 100.  Many years of misery is wished upon Harry Reid, criminal non-pareil.  Another dumbass running America into the ground.  The miserable bastard needs some of his own medicine.

Be good for him and everybody would feel much better.  Pray for his sorry ass to spend eternity in hell.

Have I said too much? 

Run him out of town on a rail.

Not domestic terrorists, just people who have brains enough to know when they're being kicked when they're down and they just plain don't like it at all.  It lasts only for so long.

The Rainbow Gathering can demand to use public lands, camp out there for weeks on end, leave a huge mess at taxpayer expense and that is to be tolerated by those who are too ignorant to see what is really going on.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 11:37 | 4673107 Che Guevara is Dead
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The domestic terrorist meme is taking hold. Amazing how quickly the Left forgets their own adage, "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter." 

From It's Time to Be Honest: The Tea Party Has Become a Terrorist Group

The reality is he’s nothing more than some lunatic who doesn’t want to pay the fees he’s accumulated by illegally allowing his cattle to graze on federal lands, and he’s doing everything he can to avoid paying these fines, going to jail or both.

But the longer these people are given a voice, the more they’ve moved from a political movement to a domestic terrorist organization.  In politics, they’re doing everything possible to sabotage our country for political gain while outside of politics they’re becoming even more brazenly radical than ever before.

And much like traditional terrorists, these domestic tea party terrorists have a main goal of demonizing and destroying the United States government.

After the Weather Underground, Black Panthers, SLA, Red Army, Sandanistas, PLO and Hamas it looks like the Left has finally met a "terrorist group" they don't like. 

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 12:48 | 4673265 BeerMe
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have a main goal of demonizing and destroying the United States government.

They are right about that and I'm proud of it.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 14:15 | 4673496 Flagit
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Sandanistas

words i have to look up, are a form of Intellectual Terrorism.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 11:40 | 4673113 LooseLee
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“Well, it’s not over. We can’t have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it. So it’s not over...”

Is this MORON also an IDIOT? What does he think the bankers, Wall St. Hustlers, Corporate Lobbyists, and Politicians do each and every day? He belongs to the 'only' American people that think they are 'Above The Law'

Sadly, for him and his parasite cohorts, their days are numbered.

Just heard on the local AM radio station where this POS said, 'They are not Liberty Fighters. They are domestic terrorists.' This clown is either delusional or a willful accomplice to the planned destruction of America. His will have his day I am sure...

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 17:54 | 4674008 ATG
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Recall HR on the floor of the Senate and with multiple media claimed MR paid no taxes for ten years, never gave his source and even admitted “He didn’t pay taxes for 10 years! Now, do I know that that’s true? Well, I’m not certain,”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/2chambers/post/harry-reid-mitt-romne...

HR followed that up with this ironic telling Shakespearian soliloquy:

“Where the problem is, is this: Because of the Citizens United decision, Karl Rove and the Republicans are looking forward to a breakfast the day after the election,” Reid said. “They are going to assemble 17 angry old white men for breakfast, some of them will slobber in their food, some will have scrambled eggs, some will have oatmeal, their teeth are gone. But these 17 angry old white men will say, ‘Hey, we just bought America. Wasn’t so bad. We still have a whole lot of money left.’”

HR would know, having received $45 M in his Senate career and gone from a wage slave DC Cop pauper to a multimillionaire rich power broker who lives at the DC Ritz Carlton:

https://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/summary.php?cycle=Career&type=C&...

In 2010 HR spent $26 M to relentlessly smear Tea Party Mark Levin,  Club for Growth, Samuel "Joe the Plumber" Wurzelbacher, singer Pat Boone and Phyllis Schlafly endorsed Sharron Angel, who had come in second to Dean Heller by 428 votes, and led Reid 50% to 39% in June 2010.

MSM never let her rebut the rabid attacks over the next five months and she did not have Twitter.

Thus we have the best politicians pay to play special interests can buy.

The only way to win is by avalanche landslide overwhelming turnout for Liberty candidates in 2014 to overcome voter fraud:

https://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/summary.php?type=C&cid=N00009922...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharron_Angle

http://bit.ly/P6SHpc

 

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 11:44 | 4673122 LooseLee
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I believe that the current laws that prohibit the transfer of weapons across state lines will prove to be a problem for The Liberty Movement.

In order to aid those needing help, it will be necessary to transport weapons across state lines.

Any ideas on how this can be overcome (aside from overturning the laws---which may prove quite difficult)?

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 11:55 | 4673156 akarc
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Current federal law does not prohibit the transportation of guns across state lines. Last I checked they were weapons. However BUndy doesn't believe inn the federal government so by his reasoning you would have to go by state law. For the most part Guns may be transported across state line acording to individual state laws.  For more info you could check the NRA website.

 

Ironic isn't it?

A. A Bundy supporter should know that.

B. A "real" revolutionary wouldn't give a fuck.

Bundy is wrong and so are most of his supporters. 

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 12:04 | 4673172 Final Authority
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This is not correct. You are free to move your property across state lines as you see fit. It is your property and neither the state nor the federals have any say in the matter.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 12:58 | 4673293 lex parsimoniae
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From the article above:

"What they don’t seem to understand, though, is that the liberty movement does not care what the Federal government deems “legal” or “illegal.” Our only interest is what is Constitutional and what is moral."

 

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 17:16 | 4673967 ATG
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One observer noted the Feds on Bundy Ranch shut down the roads and airspace and were stopping cars at automatic weaponed checkpoints to confiscate arms and smash cell phones:

http://bit.ly/1hUyVbz

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 17:21 | 4673985 riphowardkatz
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ask the many million illegal immigrants how.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 11:55 | 4673154 GeneH3
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Why do you think Obama kept Guantanamo?  The stage is now being set on many fronts to label even law-abiding citizens as terrorists.

This time the statists must have learned that a public show of overwhelming force does nothing but reinforce resistance and reveal the growing police state to the previously unconscious. They either have to kill people or retreat.  For them, retreating here was the lesser if two evils.  They now know that whatever force they apply to regular folks will be examined in the light of day.

Unless they have not learned their lesson, the next time they expect resistance they will stop it before it starts. The potential instigators (conspirators) will be secretly branded terrorists and surreptitiously hauled off to GTMO in the dead of night.  They wil mysteriously disapperar.  Poof! End of problem.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 13:28 | 4673358 gnomon
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The day my liberty-minded neighbors start disappearing is the day that I become that "domestic terrorist" that Reid described.

The federal government better be very careful where they go from here.  Even if they win in the end, (after starting an uprising), they will have turned what is already a Third World Shithole in Disguise into something worse than Zimbabwe.  

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 12:07 | 4673180 Cindy_Dies_In_T...
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A Fascinating Must Read Scenario on the Tyrannical Left v. Right scenario:

https://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/

This is the first time in many years that I have put pen to paper for a lengthy letter, so please forgive my misspellings, poor handwriting or any other errors. I will probably do this in one go and be finished with it. I won’t need much of this new notebook. It’s a nice room, desk and chair, but really, no computer? I just wish they would stop the hammering outside. I need to focus in order to write well.

No one person could possibly expect to know the full truth about such a complex history, so near to its time. But I know what I know, saw what I saw, and heard what I heard. Now it’s time to set the record straight, at least about what transpired between some of the key players in the lead up to the recent events.

What I have heard called “the plan” began as idle office chat, nothing more. (Of course, not much chat is ever truly idle at the very highest levels of power, between senior presidential advisors.) The first time I heard it mentioned was over lunch with Dennis in the White House Mess, down in the basement next to the situation room. We were at a quiet corner table of the wood-paneled dining room, tossing ideas for the next talking points back and forth. Routine.

One of right-wing hate radio’s loudest and most poisonous voices was conducting an embarrassing public feud with our press secretary. The President had trapped himself in a seeming contradiction. The video and audio were both damning, and one must admit, very funny—if one’s goal was to make the President look and sound like a liar and a fool. The Youtube videos were getting millions of hits; the TV comics were not letting it go. We had been knocked completely off message, the optics were horrible, and our favorability ratings were collapsing at a crucial moment. (It seems like an ice-age ago when such trivialities actually mattered to me.)

I said something offhandedly to Dennis. “I just wish we could get rid of those bastards, once and for all.”

He stared at me for a long time, chewing on his second BLT sandwich until the Navy steward retreated from range, and then he said, “Actually, Jacinda, there is sort of a plan for that.”

“What do you mean, ‘a plan for that’?”

He explained that it was nothing formal, and there was nothing in writing. Nor would there ever be. It was just a concept he had come up with, along with a few other trusted colleagues and advisors. An idea. They had gamed out various scenarios. We could solve our problems with molding public opinion if we removed just a few dozen key right-wing opinion makers. That was the exact word he used, “removed.” That was last spring, and I put it off as a harmless thought experiment. I didn’t hear anything more about it for several months.

Then one day after another media talking points session in the mess, Dennis said, “Remember the plan we were talking about? You know, we really could do it.”

“Are you serious?”

“The timing would have to be just right. Mainly, it would depend on external events.”

Remembering the numbers from our earlier conversation, I told him that removing a few dozen of the worst reactionaries wouldn’t change anything. Other fast-talking right wingers would just take their places. Except they would be angrier than ever.

“Not dozens.” He paused. “Around two thousand, actually.”

The new number shocked me. “That’s not possible.”

“No, it’s very possible. We’ve studied it from every angle.”

Clearly, he knew more about a plan than he was letting on. Nobody was closer to the President than the two of us and his wife, and I had heard nothing from the boss, not even a hint. “You’re making this up. You’re not serious. Is it a joke, or a test? I wasn’t born yesterday.” I had to be careful. This was dangerous territory, when any spoken word could be recorded almost anywhere. Trust in a man like Dennis was a very slender reed upon which to cling.

“No, I’m very serious,” he said. “Here’s how we came up with two thousand. I was given a copy of a new law enforcement software program, one that Justice had for testing and evaluation. A refinement of the social networking analysis stuff. Data-mining, all of that. We put it on a clean computer, adjusted it for our own parameters, and made the list. We tried it at different levels from ten up to ten thousand. The optimal number for the greatest effect with the least initial disruption came in at about two thousand.”

I shook my head and said, “Dennis, it’s crazy to even talk about it.”

He continued with what, I saw later, was a canned pitch. “Do you want everything we’ve worked for to be lost? What if it came to striking boldly, or losing all of the progress we’ve made over the last fifty or a hundred years?”

I sidestepped. “You know as well as I do that boldness isn’t the President’s forte.”

“Well, you could help stiffen his backbone.”

“We could both be facing prison time just for talking like this.”

“Not as long as we’re in power. You know how I know? Operation Fast and Furious. At least four hundred dead and there was no blowback that we couldn’t handle. Our media stuck right with us all the way through. For me, that was the final test. We can do almost anything if we get the timing right, and most of the media stays with us.”

I replied, “But those were Mexicans. And not two thousand.”

“It doesn’t matter. I have the majority leader on a leash. I could drag him around the White House on all-fours if I wanted to. We have nothing to fear coming out of the House. Without the majority leader, Congress can’t do anything but hold hearings that the media won’t cover.”

“But he hammers us every day in the press…”

“Of course he does, he has to maintain credibility with his base. But it’s pure bluster. Trust me—I own him when it counts.”

In the right company (particularly mine, since we go back so far), Dennis liked to brag about the political enemies he held under the control of blackmail. It was a measure of his power, and whom else could he tell? You could count the people he trusted on one hand, perhaps two. One way or the other, all the dirtiest secrets wound up in his hands. Some said it was a mafia thing. Or the unions. Or the red net that had helped us at critical junctures most of our lives. There were advantages to growing up in the second or third generation of the movement. Certain doors opened before us at critical junctures.

Dennis’s knack for finding the hidden scandals almost seemed occult-like. After the big national health care decision, he showed me compromising “men’s health club” photos of the younger chief justice and his pals. Dennis just couldn’t resist the irony and had to share it with me, but that was a rare case of candor about his methods.

So I wondered what he had on the majority leader, that holier-than-thou redneck prick. Was he kinky, greedy, or both? Had Dennis’s minions discovered ancient history long buried, or had they lured him into some new honey trap? It didn’t matter, and I didn’t really care. But it did explain why the Congress could never seem to move past first base on Fast and Furious, even with so many dead.

But I still wasn’t ready to believe he was serious. I said, “Four hundred dead Mexicans are not the same as two thousand dead Americans.”

“It depends on what’s going on at the time. We would need a thick smokescreen, that’s for sure. Lots of background noise. The right emergency.” He lowered his voice and said, “Anyway, they wouldn’t necessarily be ‘dead.’ Technically, they’d just be ‘missing’.”

We held long eye contact across the table. He needed to clean his eyeglasses, but didn’t seem to mind the smudges. I said, “The Iran thing could blow sky-high any day. And Egypt, and Syria…”

“Exactly. And that kind of an emergency might lead to all sorts of opportunities.” He smiled, and gazed at me.

After another long silence I asked, “Does this plan have a name?”

“There’s no name.”

I asked him, “How many people know about this … idea?”

“Just a few, but that doesn’t matter. It’s designed to be self-reinforcing, once it gets kicked off. A positive feedback loop. Unstoppable.”

“The President?”

The smile again. A cocked eyebrow. Dennis was as slippery as an eel. A charming eel, when he wanted to be. “He knows that bold action might be called for. We’ve spoken about it for years, in a hypothetical sense, using historical precedents. But I know from those discussions that he’ll back the plan, once the parts fall into place.”

I said, “The military wouldn’t stand for it, not two thousand.”

“The military won’t be in the loop—this will all be handled at the federal agency level. The AG is fully aboard, and so are his directors. They’re facing federal prison time if the majority leader is replaced. Once he’s gone, we’ll be totally exposed on that end. So it’ll happen soon, or never. Let’s just say that forces are in motion and leave it at that.”

“So … what do you want from me?”

“I just want you to influence the President and his wife favorably when the time comes. You know what to say to them. ‘Sometimes in the life of a revolution, hard decisions must be taken. Cross the Rubicon and cement the gains of history, or get washed out to sea and be forgotten.’ You know what to tell them. But what about you? Jacinda, when the time comes, can we count on you?”

My mind was in turmoil. I was being asked to engage in a conspiracy. Perhaps this was a setup, and my answers were being recorded for another piece of Dennis’s trademark blackmail. Yet to refuse Dennis could also be dangerous. I decided to sound favorable yet remain noncommittal. “I understand history as well as you do. Sometimes dreadful actions are called for during a revolution, I know that. But I won’t support a fool’s crusade that goes off half-cocked and damns us all as traitors.”

He nodded, and smiled again. “That’s good enough.”

The war broke out a few weeks later.

I am referring to the cruel and insane but necessary war with Iran.

As necessary for them, as for us. The Iranian missile strikes were followed by the Israeli bombing raids. Or perhaps it was the other way around, the timeline depending on which news network you believe. When is a pre-emptive strike self defense, and when is it aggression? I will leave it for future historians. The simple fact is that within a few days cities were burning from Cairo to Islamabad, while at home we were struggling against Iranian terror cells and cyber sabotage, and an anthrax attack that had crippled our mail and package services. The dirty bombs in Houston and Long Beach were overrated initially, but they stopped port operations around the country for weeks. It all added up to a lot of hurt on the home front.

Basic electrical service, phone service, the internet, and our entire digitally managed infrastructure went haywire while the stuxnet-like viruses were continuously fed into our own digital bloodstream. Trains derailed and all of the planes had to be grounded; everybody knows what happened. Many thought the Russians and Chinese were using the opportunity to add to our misery. In any event, Dennis was right: there was plenty of smoke and noise available to conceal the arrests of two thousand reactionary opinion makers. Men, most of them, who spent nearly every waking moment busily stamping out every little spark of popular democracy, social justice, or true human progress.

The internet was shut down for a week, and was erratic and unreliable after that. Most of the arrests happened during that early period of maximum confusion and fear. Those on the secret arrest list were isolated from communication by the total sabotage of their digital lives. They could not make cell phone calls or send texts, or use the internet in any fashion. They could not find one effective portal to untangle their wrecked virtual lives. Pay phones and land lines were all they had left, when they were working. In the total confusion and disorder of that week, it was understandable that many people might have suffered complete digital blackouts. We were all on uncharted ground, so almost anything was possible. Like the genuine beginning of the Iran war, it could never exactly be sorted out until long after it mattered. Dennis was a genius about that part of the plan.

Down in the secret federal law enforcement fusion centers, our thousands of social network warriors swung into action as the internet was brought back on line—but this time on our own timing, and on our own terms. Questions about missing right-wingers were deflected by our internet imposters with rumors about embezzled funds, foreign girlfriends, car accidents, distant vacations, non-existent medical emergencies and other stalling tactics. It would take a long while for a true count of the missing to be made, and by then it wouldn’t matter.

Like I said, Dennis was a genius. At first he gave me a daily update, in private. Later, more of us met in the situation room. If Dennis wasn’t the leader, I wouldn’t know who was. I never met a new member of the circle unless Dennis was there to make the connection. What I mean is that I already knew them; I just didn’t know that they were in on the plan, until Dennis brought us together. And I never spoke to any of them about it when Dennis wasn’t there with us. Naturally, not a word about the plan was ever written down.

Most of the original two thousand on the arrest list were picked up in the first week. In fact, in their desperation to reconnect, they sent out their precise locations with every attempted cell phone call, text, tweet, email or credit card use, making them easy to find. The FBI and other federal agencies were already on a war-footing tracking down the Iranian and other foreign terror cells, and they didn’t question the odd Americans arrested among the rest.

Anyway, ninety-five percent of the people on the list were basically nobodies, and they were rarely missed. It’s funny how social network analysis works—it’s not the famous people, it’s the important people. People behind the famous names. The critical nodes. Bloggers in the basement that nobody had heard of. SNA found them all, and plucked them from obscurity.

Only proven-loyal teams of agents were used to arrest the handful of well-known people on the list. The warrants were prepared by tried and true federal attorneys, and signed off by trusted judges. Dennis did not only make a secret list of enemies to arrest—he also prepared a list of key personnel we could depend on to run the dodgy paperwork through the federal law enforcement system with no hassles. Mostly they used “National Security Letters” instead of regular warrants, because then no questions were asked. Dennis and his little circle had mastered the architecture. It was seamless, and for the most part it went like clockwork, especially at the beginning.

Once each of the arrested was “tagged and bagged,” the normal federal prison bureaucracy handled them like so many UPS or Fed-Ex packages. After the domestic terrorism label was slapped onto their files, special prisoner handling rules applied, mandating their seclusion. Gagged and hooded, if need be. Unlawful enemy combatants, foreign or domestic, could be held incommunicado. It was already in the law. The legal machinery existed; it just needed to be switched on. I give Dennis all the credit for grasping the enormous potential.

In the confusion during the Middle East war and the domestic terror attacks, including the cyber attacks, it took several weeks for reports about the missing Americans to grow into rumors of a possible purge of political enemies. Our own thousands of internet cyber warriors tamped down the rumors with continuing obfuscations. Many of them had been burrowing into the virtual world for years under multiple false screen names, building trust and credibility to expend during just such an emergency.

The most effective of the right-wing muckrakers chatting about purges and political arrests were digitally sabotaged and lined up for the next wave of arrests. Once they were isolated they could get in a car and drive, but only as far as the cash in their wallets would carry them. None of their cards, phones or other wireless devices worked. This kept them close to home, and made them easy to arrest.

For the first few weeks, the internal war conducted by our security services was going as well for us as the external war was going badly for our armed forces. The President had to struggle to keep his facial expressions under control in his rare on-camera appearances: I knew that secretly, he was as pleased as any of us that so many American warships, fighter planes and bombers would no longer be available to menace the globe. So in truth, at about one month into it, we were actually winning on both fronts, from our special point of view.

For the most part, our friendly media outlets continued to use our talking points, staying on board with all aspects of the gloriously jingoistic war effort—including the war against all forms of domestic terrorism. Even the right-wing talk radio hosts were cautious about making wild accusations against the government while our heroic armed forces were busy being decimated thousands of miles away.

Crazy black-helicopter talk about a secret political purge was kept beyond the acceptable fringe of polite news network mention during the first month of patriotic fervor that surrounded the war. Our army of social network warriors did a masterful job of remessaging any mention of a “purge” as delusional. No respectable news network or reputable website would touch such rumors. (Some of the most rabid of the bloggers promoting the purge rumors were, in fact, our own cyber commandos, working to discredit truthful reports through bizarre and outrageous exaggeration.)

After a month, though, the missiles and planes had seemingly run out on all sides, and a new stalemate was reached across the Middle East. The fog of war began to lift, and a clearer picture began to emerge that we could no longer keep completely hidden from sight. It was not plausible that so many right-wing opinion makers were suddenly unavailable for comment. They could not have all had heart attacks, or fled to Panama, or gone on vacation in New Zealand, or into hiding.

Some of the hate radio hosts began to fan the flames with crazy rumors that really weren’t so crazy, not to us. When they were taken off the air through a variety of means (but mainly for violating the “fomenting domestic terrorism” laws), the right wing nut jobs went absolutely mad with fury. The accusations about a secret purge continued. The plan was being laid out for all to see, even while it was being officially denied at every level, and was never reported on at all by our cooperating media networks and other friendly outlets.

And then the shooting started.

At a month and a half or so, it sometimes seemed that the plan was in danger of falling apart. I asked Dennis about it in private, but he appeared unworried. “It’s all part of the action-reaction calculus. It was all taken into account. We needed them to react. We’re in the second phase. We smoked them out into the open with phase one, and now we can go get them. Why do you think we bought billions of bullets for the DHS? Why do you think we paid for SWAT teams and armored cars in every Podunk town in America? We’ve been getting ready for this moment for years.”

“You knew this would happen? A civil war?”

He said, “It’s not a civil war—it’s a police action against criminals and domestic terrorists. But don’t worry: we’re ready. Now that they’re shooting at us, we can take the gloves off. The first two thousand arrests were just priming the pump. This phase will let us finish the job once and for all. Think about it: even now, nobody knows what happened to the first two thousand, or even that there were two thousand. In a month, nobody will remember if they were arrested before the shooting started, or after.”

“So, what did happen to the first two thousand? Can you at least tell me that?”

He shook his head, slowly. “Jacinda, you don’t need to know. But they won’t be coming back. They won’t be seen again. At least that much is for sure.”

So they were dead. That didn’t upset me. Hundreds of thousands had died since the missiles had flown, most of them in the Middle East. For some reason I was thinking of the Polish officers in the Katyn Forest. Twenty-thousand military officers and many other members of the Polish intelligentsia had been killed in 1940 after the Red Army invaded Eastern Poland. The Soviets had blamed the mass-killings on the Nazis for decades, until the fall of the USSR in 1990 when the truth was finally admitted. So, naturally, I had a question. “Will they ever be found?”

“No, this time it’s sealed airtight. They’ll never be found.”

I heard later, from Larry, that the two thousand were taken in unmarked vans to a brand-new “bureau of prisons transfer site” in Kansas or Oklahoma, or somewhere else out in flyover country. The site consisted of some fenced-in buildings near an old airstrip. Vans and small airplanes arrived one at a time. As each van or plane arrived, the prisoners were signed over by the US Marshals or other federal agents to a small waiting detachment that, on paper, was from the TSA.

It was an ad-hoc unit made up of men pre-selected for their special aptitudes and proclivities. One of the benefits of SNA is that it permits you to find and bring together any personality types that you need for special missions—even unquestioning executioners. According to Larry it was staffed entirely by violent street gang members with a promise of parole, pardons, and citizenship—but he has been known to embellish a story with his own lurid details.

After the Marshals departed, instead of being transferred elsewhere, the manacled arrestees were marched around a corner, stood against a wall, and shot. Their bodies were then burned in an on-site incinerator. According to Larry, one vanload at a time is how you get rid of two thousand die-hard reactionaries. The “transfer facility” was then bulldozed, and each person with knowledge of the site was himself transferred to distant and remote federal installations, where their single voices in the wilderness would never be heard, or believed. Then a rapid process of attrition would begin, with the individuals comprising the former group of executioners suffering a statistically improbable number of heart attacks, fast-acting cancer, accidents and other plausible reasons for their rapid demise.

I have heard other rumors about the final disposition of the two thousand, and I’m not sure which one is true, but that was the version told to me by Larry. I was never really a part of his circle with Dennis. I only sat in on a few meetings. If there is any truth to his story, it will probably come out eventually. But if I know Dennis, the bones of the two thousand will never be found.

Toward the end of the second month, against all odds, it seemed like the plan was working. Our federal agents were making record numbers of arrests for new acts of bona-fide domestic terrorism, and of course, for “fomenting domestic terrorism” in the media and on the internet. We still had most of the friendly media on our side lamenting the outbreak of right-wing terror against the government. As long as most of the media continued reporting our version of reality, we could keep pushing the right-wing extremists to exhaustion and eventual submission.

Ah, blessed silence, the hammering and sawing outside has stopped. I flex and shake my hands, limbering up my sore wrist and fingers. Flipping back through this spiral notebook, I count a dozen freshly-filled pages. I have not done so much handwriting in one go since blue-book exams at the university, and that was decades ago.

Back to my story. The first real jolt indicating a serious problem with the plan came when television reporter Cathy Carlsen was killed in Norfolk, shot dead while covering the commissioning of the Harvey Milk, the Navy’s newest destroyer. That she was killed was bad enough. That it happened on a “secure” naval base—a federal installation—made it much worse. Her blood splattered across the Admirals’ white uniforms made quite a picture. The videos…

We were two women born in the same year, with similar academic backgrounds. We had known each other for decades, and her untimely death hit me hard. Cathy Carlsen had been a reliable voice on the progressive side of a supposedly impartial television news network. That a respected member of the media would be assassinated was big surprise, at least to me. Up to that point, only a few federal officials and high-ranking agents had been targeted.

Then a new photo was released on the internet. I had always thought the NSA could trace those things back to their origins, but apparently not. The photo was taken through the Norfolk sniper’s rifle scope just a few moments before the murder. It showed thin black crosshairs and other reference marks across Cathy’s smiling face. And it showed some text added just above her head:

If the media lies, the media dies.
You take a side, you’re along for the ride.
A traitor in front of a camera is still just a traitor.

This single act of domestic terrorism immediately dampened the enthusiasm of most of our formerly reliable reporters to continue to carry our water. More such photographs of other media figures appeared on the internet with crosshairs over their faces. Most of the pictures were bogus, just photoshop pranks, but they had a similar effect: our dependably cooperative reporters suddenly lost their nerve. The comments following the photos on the remaining right-wing web forums were perhaps the most frightening aspect. It was obvious that plenty of Americans were willing to voice their support for the assassinations of their enemies in both the media and the government. It became a game for them to walk up to the “fomenting domestic terrorism” line with carefully parsed words, and this glutted our SNA fusion centers with background noise.

For another week or two it seemed that we were playing catch-up with new bloggers who appeared each morning like overnight mushrooms. In spite of all of the new restrictions and tracking tools, every day anonymously sourced articles concerning the purge were posted on what remained of the internet. It was obvious that some of the stories were coming from federal law enforcement whistle-blowers. Dennis said that if the internet rumor-mongers and the last of the hate radio hosts could be silenced, the plan could still be fought to a win. But the leaks were not plugged. Instead, they worsened.

The final outcome hinged on a simple equation based of the availability or non-availability of enough federal agents to make fresh rounds of arrests each day, crushing domestic terrorists and their internet supporters faster than they could proliferate. New arrests were being made, but still the assassinations of government officials and media figures continued to escalate. One a day. Five a day. Ten. Twenty. Some officials were killed by their very own bodyguards or aides, who then disappeared. The words “civil war” were being tossed around on both sides.

Even though the total number of murdered government officials was insignificant as a percentage of their total numbers, far too many of them reacted hysterically out of personal fear. Practically the entire Senior Executive Service demanded protection teams of federal agents to personally bodyguard them twenty-four hours a day. Soon there were no agents available to stamp out the internet insurrection with new arrests, much less somehow interdict a single domestic terrorist on a private sniper mission. Instead, all of the armed federal agents were kept occupied guarding terrified government leaders.

And that was the downfall of the plan: it just came down to numbers, manpower, and, perhaps, agent morale. I’ve seen reports that at least a third of the federal agents went on sick leave vacation, after word of the original two thousand political arrests began to spread within their ranks.

The ferocity of the counter-attack took us all by surprise.

Even Dennis. The original arrest list, derived from cutting-edge SNA, was a great success as far as it went, especially in spurring the rest of his “action-reaction calculations.” It sure provoked a reaction, anyway. But at a level that none of us ever anticipated or even dreamed possible.

Dennis had always assumed that the combined might of our armed federal agents and their SWAT Teams, reinforced with local police and, if necessary, the National Guard or even the Army, could crush any conceivable right-wing reaction to his plan. But social network analysis couldn’t find snipers who were not part of any network. That’s when we began to hear of “The Militia of One.” In the end there were too many rifles, and too many willing shooters. A number that was constantly heard was twenty million. That was the number of Americans who supposedly went deer hunting every year, against less than 200,000 armed federal agents.

Local police evaporated from the equation once the going got tough. The most common sentiment heard expressed was, “You feds made your bed, so now sleep on it.” The National Guard, those units not already deployed overseas, proved hopelessly slow and cumbersome. That is, the few who reported for duty when called up.

While top federal officials hid inside buildings, a new and unanticipated escalation of the sniper war emerged. When no one of high rank was available to shoot, their outermost rings of security were targeted, even down to lowly GS-5s standing perimeter duty. Suddenly, competent and trustworthy guards were very hard to find.

On the remaining internet the threats multiplied as pictures and videos were shared and commented upon by millions. “Remember your oath” was a common theme. That whole tired shtick about “defending the Constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic,” with a heavy emphasis on domestic. All of that reactionary claptrap. Who knew that so many of them took that oath so damned seriously? Who knew? Mere words on paper, and yet, so many Americans were willing to kill and to die for them. Who knew?

The snipers grew ever more brazen and their numbers multiplied daily. They were emboldened by accounts of the murders of federal officials that were splashed across what was left of the internet, no matter how we tried to control and contain it. They freely posted comments such as, “You can take away our rights, but we still get to vote under Rule 308,” (which I have since learned refers to a popular rifle caliber). The shooters understood the critical manpower equation as well as we did. We were out-gunned a hundred to one by snipers we could neither see nor find, and they knew it.

Right-wing media dutifully passed along all of the latest terrorist manifestos.

“Anonymous sources within the so-called ‘liberty movement’ are now demanding that highway checkpoints searching for weapons be disbanded immediately. These sources state that any federal agents, military or police stopping vehicles and searching them for firearms will be considered traitors and could be shot.”

Our jaws dropped in the situation room when we heard that demand relayed on FOX. There was talk in the room of arresting the entire management and all of the remaining on-air personalities and so-called reporters at that rogue network. Actually, it became a screaming match. The final decision was up to the President. He needed time to think it over, and went upstairs.

Thereafter, FOX News led each fresh report with a graphic announcing the discovery of a “Communist putsch against the Constitution.” Oh, how I hate that ugly German word! Not revolution, not even coup d’etat, but putsch! What an unfair description of a sincere attempt to solidify the forward march of history, right in the heart of capitalist imperialism! In time, “the putsch” became the name that stuck to Dennis’s original plan. Even on MSNBC, where they at least called it “the so-called Communist putsch.”

I knew it was finished when I was driving up I-95 from Virginia into the city at dawn. From a long way off I saw the two bodies hanging from the overpass. Northbound rush-hour traffic was crawling, so I had a long time to look. I was driving my mother’s Acura, wearing a blond wig and big sunglasses. There was no security in recognizable security anymore. A convoy of black full-size SUVs was liable to become a bullet magnet on any highway around DC. I was safer in the white Acura, but feeling very, very alone.

Their ropes were tied to the guard rail above their heads. They were clothed, thankfully, and hooded. Black military-style fatigue uniforms, and bare feet. Their swollen hands were bound behind their backs. The two bodies were slowly twisting without any visible movement to recover them. This told me the bridge might be under a sniper’s observation, holding the police at bay while keeping the corpses in view of thousands of Washington’s morning commuters, half of them federal employees. A chill feeling, being in range of a right-wing sniper. A white bed sheet hanging between the two bodies was marked with black spray-painted lettering.

Every fed must decide:
Liberty, or Tyranny?
Death to all traitors!

I got off at the Quantico exit, looped back and went home. Never returned to my office in the West Wing, never saw the White House again. I was picked up three weeks later by a team from the FBI, while I was staying at my mother’s place outside of Charlottesville. Since then I’ve been under house arrest, and lately held in a series of rooms and cells. The rules seem to change daily, but at least I have not been physically brutalized. Instead, my guards seem to revel in reactionary notions of chivalry, pointedly calling me “ma’am,” and asking about my comfort. Pen and paper and a better pillow they are happy to provide. I hate them all the more for their sexist bourgeois manners.

As would be expected following such calamitous events, the political world has turned quite upside-down. When it reconvened in emergency session, Congress was a very different animal, and in a mood for bloody revenge. Somehow, the greater war deaths and the deaths from the secret purge and the counter-revolution were blended together, and we were blamed for all of them.

The backlash to our efforts saw many of our progressive friends in the Congress retire immediately, and their replacements, mostly appointed by governors, were uniformly reactionaries. The opposition party majority leader that Dennis had formerly dangled on a string was one of the many who swiftly departed the scene. More than half of the Supreme Court disappeared for reasons of age or health. Two had died, some said of “Breitbart’s Syndrome.” Our old protections were swept away.

And now America has slid back into worshipping the dusty old parchment. In their reading of the Holy Constitution, the Senate and Supreme Court make the rules and conduct the trials, and swift trials they were. Guilty of high treason, conspiracy to commit genocide, and a dozen other charges. Guilty on all counts. What else could we expect? We took the bold action, grabbed for the brass ring of history, and we missed it. Where no mercy is given, none should be expected.

I’ve seen Dennis but have not been able to speak to him in private. Once we were left alone in a small conference room, but both of us were convinced the room was bugged and under video observation, so we just talked about the food and our involuntary accommodations and such.

While being escorted in the hallway I have heard Larry talking in his cell to somebody, a priest or a lawyer perhaps. He always seems to speak in a snivel. But he’s not the worst of them. Many of my former colleagues have clearly been eager to spill their pitiful guts and minimize their participation in the plan, hoping that Dennis will take the brunt of the lynch mob’s fury. But I knew that was a foolish hope: there was fury enough for all of us. So I kept my silence, until now, when it can no longer affect my own outcome.

Now I write for posterity alone.

I rise from the table and stretch. To see out through the high window in my room, I must climb up on the desk. If anybody is watching me on hidden cameras, they don’t seem to care that I am sneaking looks out through the narrow window. I am on the second floor of whatever building I am in, so I must look down a bit to get a view of the source of the hammering and sawing in the paved courtyard where they used to take me for exercise.

The gallows structure seems to be complete. There are four square holes under a single beam. Workers are screwing down some hardware for traps not yet installed. The grim work of execution will be done in two shifts, on consecutive mornings. I shall outlive Dennis by twenty-four hours. At times like this, I almost wish I believed in an afterlife, like those fools deluded by the opiate of religion. The only afterlife I shall achieve is what I am writing on the pages of this spiral notebook, and they will be cold comfort in the ground. To come so far, to get so close, and then to be consigned to oblivion—it just seems so damned unfair, after three generations of dedicated struggle.

(To be tried, convicted, hanged and buried as a traitor concerns me not at all, considering the illegitimate, even farcical nature of the kangaroo court that condemned us.)

I was scarcely involved in the plan, and then only passively. I gave no orders; I conducted no illegal arrests or executions. In truth, I did little or nothing to influence the President one way or the other before the fact. But I knew of the plan, and for that, I will be hanged in two days time as one of the secondary conspirators. There will be no clemency coming from the “Acting President,” or the new “Provisional Supreme Court.”

A few days ago Dennis smiled at me when we passed in a corridor in our matching gray jumpsuits. He was wearing leg and waist shackles, in addition to handcuffs like mine. He must have been giving them hell to merit the chains, and I felt a little ashamed of my meekness in captivity. Despite all that has happened, I am proud of him for that smile and his thrown-back shoulders, a warrior for the cause to the very last. He was, in the end, the single man who was bold enough to initiate decisive action. The failure was not his.

No, it was the President, the man in whom we invested our very lives, the ultimate standard-bearer of the global forces of progress; it was he alone who let us down at the crucial moment. He vetoed the last plan to arrest the remaining right-wing media voices and shut down their vile hate networks. He failed us when we needed him the most.

Air Force One landed in South America while I was being arrested. As the world has seen, the blue and white 747 now sits empty on a tarmac at a remote Argentinean air base near the Andes, disabled and unflyable. The President has gone with the wind, and he is still a relatively young man, nearly a decade younger than me.

I have no doubt that he will eventually turn up somewhere in the developing world, someplace tropical and near the ocean, a land where the call of the muezzin is heard at sunset. A place where he will be admired for striking many hard blows at the Great Satan.

Coming home, the almost-conquering hero, while we face the hangman. It’s just so unfair that the fascist reactionaries will inherit America, and undo the work of generations to advance the human condition.

Other than the final outcome, I would not change a single thing that we have done.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 13:00 | 4673296 sondernauch
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TL;DR.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 13:31 | 4673369 waterhorse
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Not fascinating.  It was a long-winded whining diatribe.  Cut that shit short and just post a link next time.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 13:38 | 4673394 Raging Debate
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Cindy_Dies - First off, both parties are all one, the fascist party. Second,
when the "plan" of this fiction begins to fail what would happen in reality would be a scorched earth policy. America is owned by foreign lobby. If they can't up the rents and people revolt watch something like an EMP attack take place followed by Russian missles hitting America where we don't fire back. That is how the world really operates...

Sun, 04/20/2014 - 03:45 | 4676754 Philalethian
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Some kind of tuti-fruity shirt there mr potak!

It was said today that this is the modern Nasgul:

http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Splc

Some people write with the heart. Some others are so hollow, it is just sickening and obvious phooey-baloney fear probating.

God in our hearts, country in our minds.

 

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 12:17 | 4673205 sunnyside
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Leeroy Jenkins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 12:31 | 4673235 fencejumper
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I can't help wondering if the real reeason the Feds backed down is because Reid's involvement would only have become a bigger issue had they persisted.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 12:46 | 4673257 Manipuflation
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I set out to find the biggest assholes on the interweb and I think I found another one.  A fucking Canadian ZHer no less.  We shall see about him.  In the mean time, I found the following link.  At some point you just have to start laughing at yourself. 

http://www.boatingaccidentnews.com/country-music-song-review/

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 12:57 | 4673288 sondernauch
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Snopes is run by two lefty libtards. Never trust anything they say. 

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 13:35 | 4673379 Duck077
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What is wrong with our political system?  How does Harry Reid continue to be reelected as Senator?  He's is a lying scum bag.  How dare he lable all of us that  support Mr. Bundy as "domestic terrorist", the media should be pointing out all his lies, but they are part of the problem.  And they wonder why their viewing numbers are plummeting.

 

The States need to get off their asses and tell the Federal Government to butt out,  "We Don't Need You"!  The Federal Government should be such a small part of our daily lives, but no, they want to ram all their shit down our throats.  

 

Get off your Ass Nevada, get rid of Reid.  Govern your state.  Look out for your people.

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 15:06 | 4673810 ATG
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What is wrong with our political system is that two DR parties are a government breath mint and candy mint in one.

The only real choice for Liberty and representation now is the party Ron Paul first ran in for President in 1988.

Disaffected voters have been staying away from the polls in droves, allowing incumbents to be re-elected by a mere 15% of eligible voters.

Now a plurality, over 42% of Americans, ID as Independents.

The Libertarian Party may well elect its first national candidate from Clark County Las Vegas Nevada in 2014:

http://bit.ly/P6SHpc

In 2016 he can retire Reid or his replacement.

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 09:08 | 4675238 Accounting101
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Bunch is a welfare whore. Pay attention to the real problems of this country, not some two-bit sideshow in Nevada. While idiots like you are being distracted by this bullshit, the Oligarchs continue to consolidate power and extract wealth from us.

My god, TPTB must roar with laughter from up high in their penthouses as they watch the idiocy unfold below them. Much like the Greek gods on Mt. Olympus. We mortals, its all too easy.

You can't fix stupid.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 13:38 | 4673390 LetsGetPhysical
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Wake me when the Federal Reserve Building is on fire.... until then, *yawn*

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 14:36 | 4673566 Accounting101
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Liberty Movement my ass. Where were all these asshats when the Oligarchs transferred $23 trillion of their debt onto the US taxpayer? They were standing around with dicks in hand staring out at the horizon looking for blue helmets and black helicopters. These fucking idiots are part of the problem.

And fuck this dumbass rancher too. This asshole needs to get his cattle off public land, or else pay the taxpayers for using their land.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 16:06 | 4673783 ATG
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Maligning and misinformation do not serve liberty in America.

The Bundy Ranch section (640 acres) and free range grazing rights were homesteaded in 1877, well before the BLM Land Grab for special interests.

Just in case you are interested in facts rather than smears:

http://bit.ly/1eIFUVo

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 16:28 | 4673829 Accounting101
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So we are going back to the 1800's are we? You don't want to wander down that intellectual black hole. The asshole needs to pay the taxpayers for using our land. He is special interest and a welfare queen.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 16:53 | 4673904 ATG
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Takes one to claim one.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 16:55 | 4673916 Accounting101
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Fail.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 17:02 | 4673942 ATG
ATG's picture

Fall.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 17:17 | 4673974 riphowardkatz
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what gives the federal government the right to own the land?

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 22:58 | 4674820 Policraticus
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Just curious do you pay a federal fee when you graze at McDonalds?  You need to get your dumbass off of public land.  I hope you like organically grown vegetables.  They use sheep shit for fertilizer.  You know just what the sheepels demand in their diet.  Not to worry you now qualify for free government health care.  Oh well back to melting some lead.  Yea, we just never learn.  My bankster just never understands why I like gold.  He keeps telling me to watch CNBC.

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 09:33 | 4675231 Accounting101
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Stop defending this welfare bitch rancher. He owes we the taxpayers a lot of money. This clown is no hero and I'm tired of my taxes rising because this assclown wants to suck off the teat of the hard working middle class.

All you Liberty bullshit fools had your chance to be relevant. In 2008 when the entire financial system of the world was collapsing, that was the moment to express true liberty. That was when $23 trillion in private debt was socialized and made the responsibility of we the US taxpayers. Instead, all you jerkoffs were silent. Sitting around in a massive circle jerk mumbling about land grabs and guns and the UN. You all turned out to be cowards and imbeciles. Thank god we had better Americans during the true liberty movement of this country.

If you continue to deify this asshole in Nevada, you will get exactly what's coming to you. What a bunch of fucking idiots!

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 14:40 | 4673575 Lin S
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All is not as it seems.

People going out there to back Bundy aren't looking closely at what he's been doing, who's backing him, or how he/they will profit handsomely from all this.  They're just pissed off at the Democrats and Obama and so, with blood in the eye, out there they go, egged on by Hannity.

I am no fan of .gov or BLM or Obummer.  But this is not the Battle of Bunker Hill or Lexington Commons or any other such place, it is something very different from what the current, cable-TV lineup of histrionic zealots are telling you that it is.

You have been warned...

 

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 15:27 | 4673694 Flagit
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hey Mysterio, maybe you would be soo good as to enlighten us?

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 21:59 | 4674716 SilverIsMoney
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Seriously? These type of posts are full of shit... just tell us what you supposedly know or i'm likely to think you don't know dick.

 

Last Saturday the federal government retreated! That's a fact! Harry Fucking Reid says anyone supporting these people is a domestic terrorist! Are you kidding me? To me it seems like the start of something gigantic. So why don't you let us in on the secret?

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 16:02 | 4673776 ATG
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All is never as it seems.

Check the BLM Bundy facts out:

http://bit.ly/1eIFUVo

 

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 15:12 | 4673659 sondernauch
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We will never be able to fight the enemy until we can name him. As long as we are cowed by Marxist lies and smear words like racist, antisemite, bigot, homophobe, etc., then we will continue cowering like sheep and wasting our energies on distractions. 

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 16:07 | 4673785 semperfi
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are you saying the govt terrorizes us?  are terrorists?  domestic terrorists?  and their children too?

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 15:30 | 4673704 Bill of Rights
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Don't assume for one moment .Gov that we the keepers of Liberty, don't have people on the inside, see the whole worlds a stage and we're all actors.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 15:59 | 4673771 ATG
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BLM Bundy Ranch Clark County Las Vegas Deep Background

http://bit.ly/1eIFUVo

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 16:05 | 4673778 semperfi
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Consent of the governed is a phrase in the United States Declaration of Independence – and means that a government's legitimacy and moral right to use state power is only justified and legal when derived from the people or society over which that political power is exercised. 

 

Does the govt have our consent to:

 

spy on us via drones ? 


spy on us via the NSA reading all of our texts, emails, phone calls ?


spy on us while we are driving via cameras on the streets and drones in the sky ?


force us to buy our health insurance via the govt and fine us when we don’t ?


allow their favored people to print as much money as they want and give it to their friends
while throwing non-favored people in jail for doing the same?

 

impose the NDAA on us and jail us without due process - violating the Constitution ?

 

impose the Patriot Act on us and spy on us - violating the Constitution ?

 

search us at airports via the TSA ?

 

use the CIA to secretly wage proxy wars – Ukraine, Syria, etc ?

 

allow the CIA to secretly support the trafficking of narcotics to fund their activities ?

 

ingnore immigration laws ?

 

infringe on our 2nd amendment rights ?

 

violate the Constitution in many, many ways, including:

 

   - innocent until proven guilty ?

   - your right to a lawyer ?

   - your right to privacy ?

   - money is only gold and silver ?   

 

 

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 17:33 | 4673938 ATG
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Heck no.

Time for a Constitutional regime change.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 16:25 | 4673815 Philalethian
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FOX Tries To Smear Ron Paul As 9/11 Truther During IRS & Bundy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0-dcrPE6Zo

Gawd!!!...how long can this stupid does as stupid is charade go on? People are going to be dying of insanity overload in the short while come soon. The level of shirty lies and bullshirt hypocrisy is getting to be way to overbearing. Blaming good God fearing folks for standing up for Grandfather Rights and calling them terrorists is just as stupid and well foreseen as it can be. Alex Jones hit the nail on the head again today, and there are not going to be very many moar blatant warnings to the ignorant to hurry up and repent while they can. Choose the right side of history to be on NOW!

http://archives2014.gcnlive.com/Archives2014/apr14/AlexJones/0418141.mp3

HOW MUCH LONGER CAN THESE IDIOTS OF SPINNING WHEELS THAT HAVE LONG AGO COME OFF AS THE LIARS AND DECEIVERS THEY ARE, CONTINUE TO SPEW THIS HORSEPISS AND PURE GOLD CARPY BILGE WATER? THE LIES AND DIS-INFORMATION OF CALLING IN THE GRAND ORWELLIAN WAY GOOD PEOPLE BAD IS SO FARKING HYPOCRITICAL, IT IS REGURGATIVLY SICKENING TO EVEN SEE THIS INSANITY IN A WORLD ABOUT TO BE REALLY TURNED UPSIDE DOWN.

WTF, OVER?

Darn, the shear idiotic nutzness is ludicrous and beyond insane. Any FOOL that would brand people TERRORISTS that are only standing up like most pussy-americans will not, (take the massholes in boiston for example), is just stupid at best. VERY UNPATRIOTIC AND ANTI-AMERICAN! Words placed here for posterity purposes will reflect the idiocy of those that are contrary to humanity, and the beautiful environment all have been blessed with to grow and prosper in.

This really gets the boiler a burbling. This craziness goes on day after day, unleashed like a mad ravenous dog gone wild killing and murdering, and not a single good man or woman on earth can stop it. DOE ANY ONE CARE ANY MOAT AT ALL? Does anyone that cares to invest or bet on any kind of future actually really stupidly think they will escape this bankster created tyranny of world war after world war cycle, or this next world war? The insane puppet govts gone out of control and unbridled by any court or rule of law, are the real world's problems.

Help us God, for we have lost control of evil and now it seeks to kill us all and this planet with it's insane blubbery, and bad biscuit logic.

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 16:21 | 4675967 ATG
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As usual, talking TV heads are semi-informed and have an agenda for their editor/owner/promotion.

Here's the rest of the story, where taxpayers paid for US Forest Service malfeasance against a rancher:

“A federal judge has added $150,000 to the original $4.22 million judgment won by the estate of rancher Wayne Hage in a years-long battle over property rights.

“The federal government had asked Senior Judge Loren Smith to throw out the judgment. Instead, he increased it.

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/62362

US monopoly media are owned by six corporations that share a smiliar view on the 51st welfare state.

No wonder people go elsewhere for accurate news.

 

 

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 16:25 | 4673819 Upland27
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this all boils down to: Us vs the State. easy to pick sides.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 16:35 | 4673853 Philalethian
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In the beginning...We the People were the Government.

Now...it has morphed into a underground shirt-hole of psychopaths hell bent on killing us all...world-wide.

 

 

(The SIG Historical Universal Spiritual Hierarchy are waking and they are not pleased with the insanity-overload on this planet)

 

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Fri, 04/18/2014 - 16:28 | 4673821 jbvtme
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isn't the land federal land which belongs to the people? why does this rancher have exclusive and perpetual use of it? if one argues that his right comes from prior use, couldn't the indians make a valid claim? what if the usa put solar panels on much of the land in the desert west and weened itself off of arab and fracked oil? wouldn't that strengthen the dollar? wouldn't that clean up the environment? wouldn't that create american jobs? wouldn't energy independance promote personal freedom for all americans? isn't freedom what this issue is all about? or am i being too rational and old fashioned?

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 17:32 | 4673932 ATG
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Feel free to buy some land from the Bundy Family and do your thing.

What the US government did to my ancestors is still going on with them, homesteaders and third world countries.

0 may have met his match in P and Bundy.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 17:52 | 4674062 jbvtme
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does bundy want to sell the federal land he is squatting on?

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 20:46 | 4674561 jbvtme
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do i take that as a no, fratboy?

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 16:04 | 4675933 ATG
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Generally do not respond to factless masterbaiting nonsense, but made a one-time exception in your case.

Sunlight is a great disinfectant.

Good luck to you with your karma.

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 10:25 | 4675230 red_pill
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At one time, the Bundy's owned all the land in question. After formation of the BLM, a huge chunk of their land was converted to BLM land, but they were still allowed to graze it, for a small per head grazing fee. The family was ok with that, even though they received no compensation for the thousands of acres they lost. (eminent do main) But when in 1994 the BLM came up with this 'endangered tortoise' BS, they started to limit how many cattle could be grazed on the land that used to be the Bundy's, and charged a huge fee per head for any cattle over that limit. That's when the Bundy's said no way Jose and stopped paying these fees, preferring to go to court to seek remedy. Corrupt Judges have ruled against them, however...By the way, the toroise seeks out fresh cow pies to eat, being one of their main sorces of moisture, so their exists a kind of symbiosis between cow and torotoise. If the Gov was that concerned with the tortoise, they would not be shutting their tortoise center down and euthanizing nearly 1000 of them due to lack of funds. They'd rather spend 5-10 million trying to re-coup a million or less in fines, killing some of the cows with their ATV/Helicopter herding of the animals, and shooting bulls outright.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 16:31 | 4673839 Steel Magnolia
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"IF" the Bundy protestors are "dometic terrorists" according to Dirty Harry Reid, then I guess that makes him a "political terrorist". These are not your Grandfather's democrats, they are hard core liberal corrupt bastards that have us on the road to hell while they are becoming filthy rich..

We have been warning for 6 years that Obama is more dangerous than Osama.. The only difference between O(b)ama & O(s)ama is a little bs!

 

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 16:44 | 4673883 Philalethian
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We live resonantly and happily with truth...

We all die by the lies...and overbearing blatantly obvious deceptions.

 

The Truth!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eooqqf26gsE

 

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Fri, 04/18/2014 - 17:21 | 4673983 Comte d'herblay
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"The Tortoise"???

He started off well enough, but the digression to turtles was a distraction.

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 15:58 | 4675921 ATG
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Hall of shame:

BLM killed hundreds of desert tortoises in their care, claiming they did not have the money to care for them, yet spent $5 M taxpayer dollars on the armed helicopter sniper roundup of Bundy cattle that lost 37 head, shot and killed two prize bulls and orphaned calves that die if not bottle fed.

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 15:54 | 4675912 ATG
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More truth

Media-Suppressed Nevada Case History Shines Truth on Government Ranch invaders

 

Tragically, Fed-harassed rancher Wayne Hage was vindicated three years after he died. (Capital Press, Dec. 8, 2009).

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/62362

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 16:51 | 4673899 highwaytoserfdom
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Sat, 04/19/2014 - 00:01 | 4674907 Philalethian
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See ya and raise you.:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_D3VFfhvs4

 

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 17:13 | 4673966 Comte d'herblay
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"Maybe they have too much freedom".

(Bill Clinton, first impeached, disbarred, fined, disturbed, disgraced, power abuser POTUS.)

http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quote_blog/Bill.Clinton.Quote.7332

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 19:26 | 4674341 besnook
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you liberty wackos better not fuck up my internet with your revolution planning done in plain internet tubes view. .gov will shut down all my favorite porn sites because of you guys so stop whatever it is you are jerking off to.

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 15:42 | 4675899 ATG
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Who are the wackos dude?

The people in office who describe peaceful liberty defenders as crazy, criminal, domestic terrorists?

http://bit.ly/1mlMCmU

 

 

 

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 19:54 | 4674412 j8h9
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Timothy Egan considers the case of Cliven Bundy, the rancher who refuses to pay the federal government to graze his cattle on its land:

At the center of the dispute is the 68-year-old rancher Bundy, who said in a radio interview, “I don’t recognize the United States government as even existing.” A real patriot, this guy. You would think that kind of anarchist would draw a raised eyebrow from the Tea Party establishment that provides Bundy his media oxygen. After all, wasn’t the Tea Party born in a rant by Rick Santelli of CNBC about deadbeat homeowners? He complained about taxpayers’ subsidizing “losers’ mortgages” and he said we should “reward people that can carry the water instead of drinking the water.” Believe me, Bundy’s cattle are drinking an awful lot of our water, and not paying for it.

So why is Bundy a hero to so many on the right and not a contemptible “taker”? Well, as Egan points out, he does wear a cowboy hat.

 

THE clear hypocracy...

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 15:38 | 4675893 ATG
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Learn about Stalin's Holodomor coming to America via special interest apparatchics and reconsider your thoughtless wurds:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

People died so you could spout your nonsense without a government sniper aimed at your mush.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 21:06 | 4674609 Cloud9.5
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The system is cracking.  What happened to Detroit is happening across the country.  Pension plans depend on 8% growth. Where are you going to get that in a zero interest world?  Liquidity is drying up and the water is draining out of the pond. Pretty soon we are going to find that most of us are swimming naked.

 

The tensions caused by this contraction are tearing us apart.  We are devolving into two nations, one urban and one rural.  We are talking past each other, neither side taking a moment to understand the other.  Somehow by the grace of God we got through this last weekend without anybody getting shot or killed in the Nevada Standoff.  This is no small thing.  Remember, the last Civil War began out west.

 

Recent posts here on Zero Hedge reveal that ours is an oligarchy.  Truth be known is that it has always been an oligarchy.  At the founding, the controlling elites were southern planters.  They were country folk with romantic ideals about the way the country should be run.  Then the power shifted to the north east and west.  The west championed rugged individualism.  The northeast championed the growing metropolis with its teaming multitudes and industrialization.  Both regions disdained slavery and the southern aristocracy for different reasons.  The south found itself without a political voice.  A series of tariffs double their cost of living and President Lincoln was elected without carrying a single southern state.  War soon followed.

 

Today the urban centers have the votes and the political machines that easily run rough shod over their rural hinterlands.  Consider the assault weapon bans in New York and

Connecticut and realize that the rural areas of those states are refusing to comply with these new laws.  County sheriffs are voicing their refusal to enforce these laws.

 

What my urban friends need to understand is that assault weapons by their definition are commonly sold at Walmart.  There are millions of them already in circulation.  They are not going away.  Any serious effort to confiscate them will set this country on fire.  You saw a tiny bit of that in Nevada this last week. Hitting this segment of the population with SWAT teams is a very bad idea. Yes you can kill a few crackers, but you run the real risk of turning loose swarms of Tim McVeighs.

 

What my rural friends need to understand is that when the shooting starts, it may not stop until millions of us are dead.  My urban friends need to understand the same thing.   We must not bring about this conflagration.  It will not be a war between armies of blue and grey meeting at some muddy creek in northern Virginia to murder each other.  It will be the hinterlands against the urban areas.  It will be fought in the middle of the night in our own homes. We must not have this war.

 

The farming community is already a tender box.  Farmers in quiet desperation are killing themselves all over the country. http://mag.newsweek.com/2014/04/18/farmer-suicide-farming.html  My brother-in-law’s father killed himself over a failed watermelon crop.  Millions of pigs are dying.  The drought is wiping out farms in California.  Greening and fruit drop is killing the citrus industry in Florida. Rising fuel prices, rising costs of fertilizers, pesticides and irrigation are pushing farming families up against the wall.  If they fail, the cities starve.

 

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 21:33 | 4674677 Bill of Rights
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Real deal post +1

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 22:14 | 4674745 MEAN BUSINESS
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Cloud9.5 Thanks for another well written post. 'The Family Farm' has been a vanishing breed for decades as industrial farming shifted into high gear. The trend towards urban population concentration will continue so they say. The last of the family farmers are squeezed by the big corp's they buy from and the big corps they sell to. As they fail, the big corp's raise a lot of dust as they roar past the mourners (the children who left long ago) to bid on the land, and the production continues...

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 23:02 | 4674790 Policraticus
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You are correct about your urban friends, their are clueless where there food comes from.  It is not grown in the warehouses of Walmart or Amazon, it is grown in the fields all throught the fruited plains.  The real point is to stop the Statists.  They are the enemy of all.  There cannot be any reasoning with those who want to controll.  It is either freedom for all or what.  When Mr. yellen or former Mrs. Bernanke felt that a failed economic theory needed to be dusted off and tried again what have we learned?  Yes, only the simpletons would follow the Statists.  I am the Pied Piper follow me.  Really, the cliff is not real.  You just step off and enter Utopia

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 23:55 | 4674889 Philalethian
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If there were moar real caring and conscious politicians in America like this lady, there would be prosperity, and good fortunes for all. The lands and people would all be happy beyond belief. War would be a thing of the far past. Success would be the call of each day.

http://votefiore.com/2014/04/14/truth-bundys-vs-blm/

America has through it's corrupted leadership, not the people, turned into the most criminilistic and corrupted evil country in the history of this world. How this land that God gave for good people to raise up righteously in abundance and blessings transformed into the worst thing the world has ever seen, is a sad long story. One that most people would not even believe or worse, care about. It is a zombie suicidal society. All determined to die as soon as they can while feeding the face and daily shatting to survive another day just to look forward to the zombie apocalypse. Quick, before the crash and false flag to end freedoms and liberty, make a movie!

It is coming. Everybody knows it. Nobody cares. The evil profiteers will kill and greedily take from the masses of innocent people until the last day they breath. Sad. It's all just really darn sad.

Not being perfect is one thing. Not being sane is another. Not being perfectly insane is so out of place in the new whack-a-doo world of 3-D zingoisim, and murgatroids run wild. Dare not speak truth to the mind controlled slaves, fear repercussions and labels of being a terrorist for speaking your mind, or defending your self and property.

Scuse us mister...can we get off this planet now? There is far too much muckity yuck insanity for the average imperfectly sane person to handle without being part of it. God help them if we ever do completely lose it. Everybody knows who is who and who...Everybody knows.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F8QM3tjkTE

(turn it up and play it again and again Sam)

 

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 08:14 | 4675196 beaglebog
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Then again ... a politician takes his livelihood from taxation which is extorted from his neighbours.

 

Hard to take any of them seriously, when we absolutely know that they approve of robbery.

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 01:38 | 4675002 benb
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This is a good article by Brandon Smith and a smart choice to put up on these very important events. It was great to hear Fedbuster was actually there.

Reading through the posts there are still many good comments but Zerohedge posters aren't what they used to be. Of course we have a few of the same foot in mouth 'think they are clever' fools making asses of themselves as always, but along with that I see many comments from new people ignorant of the issues posting their yap as if they were to be taken seriously. First clue- read the fucking article before shooting your brainwashed mouth off.

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 01:43 | 4675008 robertocarlos
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What if the govt has found the answer to all of America's energy needs and they need that land for that purpose. Would the citizens still be out there with guns?

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 06:14 | 4675118 smacker
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It's a hypothetical scenario. But in that unlikely event, they would have come out and said so. If their claims stood up, Bundy himself would have taken a different course and public pressure would have dealt with it.

Sun, 04/20/2014 - 00:44 | 4676667 Philalethian
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"All I can say is nothing puts a bigger grin on my face than to see statists cry like babies when their delusions of grandeur are trampled on."

Shine the light of awareness, that Christ energy in you for enlightnment through knowledge.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statism

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMbATaj7Il8

 

Sun, 04/20/2014 - 17:15 | 4677870 dizzyfingers
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4/20/14

Western lawmakers gather in Utah to talk federal land takeover

‘It’s time’ » Lawmakers from 9 states gather in Utah, discuss ways to take control of federal lands. http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/politics/57836973-90/utah-lands-lawmakers-federal.html.csp
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