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De-Escalation Off: US Deploys Troops To Poland
So what part of "All sides must refrain from any violence, intimidation or provocative actions," did the US not understand when they decided that deploying troops to Poland was in keeping with the four-party deal? As WaPo reports, Poland and the United States will announce next week the deployment of U.S. ground forces to Poland as part of an expansion of NATO presence in Central and Eastern Europe in response to events in Ukraine.
Polish minister: U.S. troops are being deployed to Poland. http://t.co/42sifm1GsK
— Washington Post (@washingtonpost) April 18, 2014
Poland and the United States will announce next week the deployment of U.S. ground forces to Poland as part of an expansion of NATO presence in Central and Eastern Europe in response to events in Ukraine.
That was the word from Poland’s defense minister, Tomasz Siemoniak, who visited The Post Friday after meeting with Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel at the Pentagon on Thursday.
Siemoniak said the decision has been made on a political level and that military planners are working out details.
There will also be intensified cooperation in air defense, special forces, cyberdefense and other areas. Poland will play a leading regional role, “under U.S. patronage,” he said.
So is that an escalation? or a de-escalation? or is it different when the US moves troops towards another nation's borders?
As a reminder, we noted in December, Russia's placement of tactical nuclear-capable weapons near the Polish border which at the time sent a very clear message of escalation (despite the, at the time, lack of New Cold War headlines). We wrote at the time,
Russia quietly has come through on its threat issued in April 2012, when it warned it would deploy Iskander missiles that could target US missile defense systems in Poland. From RIA at the time:
Moscow reiterated on Tuesday it may deploy Iskander theater ballistic missiles in the Baltic exclave of Kaliningrad that will be capable of effectively engaging elements of the U.S. missile defense system in Poland.
NATO members agreed to create a missile shield over Europe to protect it against ballistic missiles launched by so-called rogue states, for example Iran and North Korea, at a summit in Lisbon, Portugal, in 2010.
The missile defense system in Poland does not jeopardize Russia’s nuclear forces, Army General Nikolai Makarov, chief of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces, said.
“However, if it is modernized…it could affect our nuclear capability and in that case a political decision may be made to deploy Iskander systems in the Kaliningrad region,” he said in an interview with RT television.
“But that will be a political decision,” he stressed. “So far there is no such need.”
Looks like a little over a year later, the "political decision" was taken as the need is there. But why does Russia need to send a very clear message of escalation at a time when the Cold War is long over, when globalization and free trade, promote game theoretic world peace (or "piece" as the Obama administration wouldsay), oh, and when Russia quietly has decided to reestablish the former USSR starting with the Ukraine.
We'll leave the rhetorical question logically unanswered.
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Who is WE? Becasue real Americans want you Ziionist parasites out of the US. You will only be able to print and steal so long. How did that Syria thing go for you. How about your buddy in Saudi Arabia getting fired. Go fly one of those $400 billion dollar F-35's,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,If you can get it off the ground!
You really want to be the next greece? Unbelievable how ignorant western ukraine is
the "little princess" thing is getting kinda old, dumbass.
your goal is life to be wrong and downvote champ of ZH?....still long way to go...sorrie
"And we are going to take Crimea back. Believe it"
lol
Is that you MDB?
You actually managed to make me laugh with that statement, and I haven't been in a lughing mood for quite some time now.
ZeroHedge, you are trying to paint the actions of NATO as the aggressors here?
BULLSHIT
Hey, man. We're just defending ourselves. In Poland.
Sure! What has Russia done except protect their navy base in the Crimea. Propaganda Central = Mainstream Media has a meme going that Russia "invaded" the Ukraine. The sheeple lap it up.
So we should invade Cuba because we have Guantanamo?
Kremlin needs a new agent.
Has Cuba been a part of the United States for a few centuries? Do most Cubans speak English as their chosen language? Do most Cubans consider themselves culturally, linguistically and ethnically Americans?
You really need to go do some thinking about this stuff. Seriously.
And who spent $6 billion dollars creating a coup that violently over through a democratically elected governmnet in Ukraine?
Why do you Z iionist scourge even post here, why dont you go hang out with all the HAPPILY unemployed in Greece, Spain, Italy, Portugal and all through the EU and US parasites like you are committing economic genocide against.
Zionism is nazism,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and the Zionist now control the US and EU!! We are on the wrong side this time!
EconomicGenocide: Either a crazy idiot or a not very good Kremlin agent. Tough call.
Learn your history to get a good grasp of what the ultimate goal is:
In 1949, the prospect of further Communist expansion prompted the United States and 11 other Western nations to form the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO). The Soviet Union and its affiliated Communist nations in Eastern Europe founded a rival alliance, the Warsaw Pact, in 1955. The alignment of nearly every European nation into one of the two opposing camps formalized the political division of the European continent that had taken place since World War II (1939-45). This alignment provided the framework for the military standoff that continued throughout the Cold War (1945-91).
NATO continued its existence beyond the Cold War era and gained new member nations in Eastern Europe during the late 1990s. That development was not well received by leaders of the Russian Federation and became a source of post-Cold War tension between the East and the West.
Warsaw Pact members: Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, East Germany, Hungary, Poland, Romania, Soviet Union, Albania.
Guess which one is the only country left? After Ukraine (part of Russia at the time), they will surely attack Russia. That will be the end of the Warsaw Pact and Nato can finally claim victory.
Why go after Russia? China and North Korea were not members of the Warsaw Pact.
History repeating itself? Just like the Athens and its empire
So it's true what those whacko conspiracy theorists think
When a declining empires monetary system is under threat, war is the first choice of the sociopathic parasite class. Consequences and body count be dammed, the "system" of debt tyranny must continue
You are absolutely right. This has been going on for the past 500 years (or longer?). I am reading a book about the Medici banking family (Florence, 15th. century Renaissance in Italy) and whenever their little Banking empire was under threat they started a war, either against allies or enemies - it didn't matter, because they could not only protect their interests, they also could issue new, huge debt to either side (often they provided financial "aid" to both sides, therefore profiting no matter who won, they even didn't care who would win).
Classic hedging strategy!
Russia under the littlest Princess, Putin, is trying to flex Imperial ambitions.
This is Europe 2014. No one in the free world can let that little megalomaniac run rough shod over Ukraine or anyone else.
You're a tough guy. Should take a trip to Moscow and call Putin princess to his face
Berspankme
LOL, you just made a point how Russia is not free...
"Free world"? Certainly you jest.
this zio-jew never stop. is hard to crack. Fortunately, he is in the wrong side of History.
nv is caught in a time warp. The Progressive Fascist/Socialist United States of America has taken over the broken USSR's previous role as the military expansionist aggressor of the world.
Your down arrows are a badge of honor for me.
Keep it going!
I have been putting my arrows up your rear end and you keep smiling, here let me put a paper bag over your face since you know no shame for being anally stimulated.
It is amusing to see your struggle with the English language. It's like watching a little Russian Princess like Putin blow off a statue of Lenin. Broken teeth and all...
It's a real laugh riot.
Your English skills are hardly any better than those found in a Harlequeer Gay Porn Novel
'USA under the littlest Princess, Obama, is trying to flex Imperial ambitions.
This is Europe 2014. No one in the free world can let that little megalomaniac run rough shod over the world or anyone else.'
There...fixed it for you, makes a lot more sense now.
So it seems that this has been in the planning stages for awhile.
So it seems that this has been in the planning stages for awhile.
But with delusional psychopaths like our President and Director Brennan of the CIA believing they somehow after 12 years of failure much like the TBTFs that they would finally be pulling a rabbit out of their hat this time against the 3rd largest conventional military with more than 45,000 nuclear warheads...
Trust me these guys are truly schizoid off there fucking rocker and so are we for letting get to this stage.
Gee?...
I wonder what happened to them? LLLLLLLLLeeett me guess????
http://investmentwatchblog.com/cia-director-quietly-visits-kiev-as-20-greystone-mercenaries-vanish/
It is starting to look like Ukraine is moving towards a civil war. What is happening in Ukraine and the unrest in many areas in the world brings into focus the many conflicts that develop when a region decides to change governments often outside the recognized democratic system of voting. Lets hope Obama does not get us or NATO further involved in the middle of this! More about the issue of borders and the ugly spill back that can occur in the article below.
http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-issue-of-sovereign-borders.html
A Ukrainian civil war is the USA fallback position.
Not quite as good as a puppet state with NATO on Russia's
doorstep, also depriving them of their only warm water port,
but it will work in stopping Europe joining a eurasian trade bloc.I feel sorry for the Ukrainian people at this point, they
were going to be shafted either way.
I'm not even sure a nuclear exchange is avoidable anymore.
When you finally realize your opponent is insane , it is best
to just shoot first rather than wait for the sucker punch.
Um. So Americans, Russians and Ukranians are all going to get killed over an insane, bodged coup instigated by the US State department on Russia's borders.
Can you guys get your fucking politicians under control please? You have guns you'd think they would be ... responsive ...
yeah, sorry about this truly...
but we're working on it.
ZeroHedgers, you are slipping.
Where are the Polish jokes?
How many abled bodied Polacks does it take to change a light-bulb? One.
Home...except for the ones in western ukraine acting out...
Learn your history to get a good grasp of what the ultimate goal is:
In 1949, the prospect of further Communist expansion prompted the United States and 11 other Western nations to form the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO). The Soviet Union and its affiliated Communist nations in Eastern Europe founded a rival alliance, the Warsaw Pact, in 1955. The alignment of nearly every European nation into one of the two opposing camps formalized the political division of the European continent that had taken place since World War II (1939-45). This alignment provided the framework for the military standoff that continued throughout the Cold War (1945-91).
NATO continued its existence beyond the Cold War era and gained new member nations in Eastern Europe during the late 1990s. That development was not well received by leaders of the Russian Federation and became a source of post-Cold War tension between the East and the West.
Warsaw Pact members: Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, East Germany, Hungary, Poland, Romania, Soviet Union, Albania.
Guess which one is the only country left? After Ukraine (part of Russia at the time), they will surely attack Russia. That will be the end of the Warsaw Pact and Nato can finally claim victory.
Why go after Russia? China and North Korea were not members of the Warsaw Pact.
Well the bankers have to make their move now, Putin forced their hand with all of this "Yuan as a reserve currency" and "Let's buy and sell oil in gold" talk.
Our "way of life" hangs in the balance, man. Wait, we should also invade CNBC.
Thats right, a threat to the US global hegemony by Russia has started this. The response though by the US is something out of a school yard, rather than fight through trade, competition, technology, and innoviation to be the global leader to keep the reserve status alive, they defect to bullying and threats.
Truely pathetic, and although i doubt Russia is no saint, i have already witnessed the policies the US has for there own people:-
i could go on and on, who wants a one world government controlled by criminals in the US Empire when they are inacapable of ruling there own country.
Putin and the East are fed up of this bullshit and hegemony and they are making a stand, i dont blame then, but the consequences could be huge for all of us.
I seem to remember pictures of rallies in Poland that were pretty staunchly Libertarian leaning. Is everyman Joe Polish going to stand for this?
I remember a picture of Romney in Poland. There was a big banner in the background that said something like "Polish people for Ron Paul"
such crazyiness, like Russia wants a bunch of broke ass debt slave Poles
It's aazing the spin the MSM tries to put on this whole affair. Most of the guy on my softball seam to think Russia is definitly the bad guy for taking Crimea because all they watch is MSM here owned by the Big corporate elites and fed the usual babble by a bubbleheaded beach blonde reading a teleprompter!. Ergo, Russia bad>punish them!
When I try to explain that the US orchestrated a regime change in the Ukraine and basically started all this shit, they simply do not believe me,as it is never talked about in that way.So..Harper can get by telling most dumbass Canadians that Russia started all of this-fukin nonsense. I am conservative by nature and don't know where we will go if that silk stocking Justin Trudeau ever gets the realm-Yikes!
Get their emails and send them links from folks like PCR. AWAKEN THEM. Print it if you must and hand it out. We need people to get active.
It's aazing the spin the MSM tries to put on this whole affair. Most of the guy on my softball seam to think Russia is definitly the bad guy for taking Crimea because all they watch is MSM here owned by the Big corporate elites and fed the usual babble by a bubbleheaded beach blonde reading a teleprompter!. Ergo, Russia bad>punish them!
When I try to explain that the US orchestrated a regime change in the Ukraine and basically started all this shit, they simply do not believe me,as it is never talked about in that way.So..Harper can get by telling most dumbass Canadians that Russia started all of this-fukin nonsense. I am conservative by nature and don't know where we will go if that silk stocking Justin Trudeau ever gets the realm-Yikes!
It's aazing the spin the MSM tries to put on this whole affair. Most of the guy on my softball seam to think Russia is definitly the bad guy for taking Crimea because all they watch is MSM here owned by the Big corporate elites and fed the usual babble by a bubbleheaded beach blonde reading a teleprompter!. Ergo, Russia bad>punish them!
When I try to explain that the US orchestrated a regime change in the Ukraine and basically started all this shit, they simply do not believe me,as it is never talked about in that way.So..Harper can get by telling most dumbass Canadians that Russia started all of this-fukin nonsense. I am conservative by nature and don't know where we will go if that silk stocking Justin Trudeau ever gets the realm-Yikes!
I made the mistake of visiting National Review again. Those crazy people think Putin is behind the whole Ukrainian thing, and that he has plans to invade all the former warsaw pact countries again.
Here's a fun one on a potential deal between Exxon/Mobil and Rosneft a year ago on Alaska oil that appears to be scuttled with all these announcement coming out of DoS and the White House.
Looks like someone got real greedy on that deal. Let's just put our "thinking caps" on and guess who that player might be???
I think it's safe to say that the ink on that deal will not be forthcoming in the months and years to come?
http://www.blacklistednews.com/"Russia_with_Love"%3A_Alaska_Gas_Scandal_is_Out-of-Country%2C_Not_Out-of-State/34580/0/38/38/Y/M.html
I informed ZH that Canada sent 6 F-18s to the Baltic sea. Obviously that was wrong. They are headed to Poland.
dear Washington,
please stop trying to get us all killed.
warmest regards,
marcusfenix
So what next year they intend to deploy them in Los Angeles. Who cares they are only Globalist oligarch merceneries. Fuck them. Let the merceneries die for criminal banksters while they are overseas. Maybe they will lose and the people in the United States of America won't have to fight them.
Impeach Obama. Recall Lindsey Graham, Diane Feinstein, Chuck Schumer, Harry Reid, McCain. Arrest Jenet Yellen for treason.
Buy Maxcoin.
"Obama looks to salvage asia pivot as allies fret China" 4/18/14
The Phillipines, Japan, South Korea, Malaysia, Myanmar?, and Vietnam are wondering if the USSA will abandon them if Obama waffles... whilst China salivates?
http://news.yahoo.com/obama-looks-to-salvage-asia-pivot-allies-fret-china-090442337.html
...perhaps the USSA wants to bring Finland into NATO?
The Phillipines, Japan, South Korea, Malaysia, Myanmar
In this package, only Philipines are true friend of the empire. The others think for their own interests, just like here in Europe. Vietnam, well, you know, they have leaders with head to think.
indeed
Anyhow not to worry until a CEO of a too big to fail , a Rothschild or Rockefeller is mysteriously disappeared. That is when you will know things are getting serious between psychopathic oligarchs..
cut foreign aid to Israel
then kill Pollard,
and the other spies & criminals
Patience, amerikuns.Dats da word mothefuckers. Russia started this long game, a while ago. Or so my bias sez me.And they will finish it to the end. Patience is one of the qualities of these cats. Amerikan oligarchs (you lazy amerikan sheeple are not blame), greedy as they are (and sick), are playing with a stack of fucking cards. My bias also sez me dat amerikanec grand dukes are absolute idiots. they cant play cards, let alone chess. So what do they do then, they build godammit houses of cards. Hysterical, I say.
Re edit dat shit| long game as in couple or three decades. Hysterical! Ironically it all depends on the dukes from this state in da north american continent or whatever.
a first downie in three years! why, thank you stranger!
Must be because i never post. Jealous cat!
Dying powers tend to die messily. I just hope when the US dies, we don't take the rest of the world with us. If Putin was as smart as everyone claims, he would just wait a while longer and let the US die a natural death.
Patience, patience. Stay calm, polite and dangerous. Quietly mop up the mercs inside Ukraine (sniff and snuff), wait for the petrodollar to collapse, let the west continue to overextend militarily (and economically) and meet every expensive offense with a cost effective defense, let their credibility collapse to the point where the daftest sheeple wonder whats going on, build your own economy, respect human freedoms and private property, the best people will seek you out. Build an honest morality and let the system show ordinary people the dangers of the tribe and their mechanisms, do it tastefully, no need for lampshades and soap. Maybe some of the tribes top movers can find themselves in unfortunate circumstances. Keep your nuclear defensive capabilities well within the realm of MAD so they dear not invade, stay internally strong, line up successors to Putin, and wait. It will work itself out. America will have to clean up her house and become a world citizen and not the tribes useful idiot bully.
It looks like the all sides of the western leaderships are in various troubles.( Food, water, health care, millitary, leadership, banking, pensions,
Who will benefit? Certainly not the average Person. Almost seems like the financial troubles are making sure there will be some who will fight "THEIR WAR" because it is not our war.....Most can't see the Propoganda.
Fighting so we can pay more for Oil, fighting because our Leader is willing to allow a corporation. to control all food produced. Fighting because the profits are down on the FIAT scam.
Some day the guns held will turn around, abuses of the past will go on a Mock Trial....Then, if our losses aren't too big we may correct the System.
American troops:
Many join as foreign mercenaries; none has patriotic values.
Heavily medicated and vaccinated, poorly educated, politically stupid.
Love snipping and setting off big explosions.
Russian troops:
Patriotic to the core, defending their mother land.
Politically savvy and communally oriented.
Will fight to the death, slitting throats and disembowling.
I pity the American troops who must face Russians.
American troops will be using Drones both for first strike purposes and for intelligence gathering and will be sitting nicely protected in their Abram tanks with their reactive armor, Russian troops would be lucky to even catch a glimpse of an American soldier.
Russians will be running scared with no lend lease to supply them, don't sound too much the fool there skippy.
With the current leadership in US, we MUST stay out of this conflict.
I am sorry but did I miss the vote in Congress on this? So Obama follows Bush et all and leads us into another war without Congressional approval.
doesnt need to congress is bought by the same people, just look at the fact that they are not complaining about it, rather more of them want action
The Reason US troops are going to Poland is because they can.
Where do BRIC stand in all of this? There was all this talk of replacing the USD with something. Russia is stepping up to the plate and Brazil, India, and China are suspiciously silent.
If BRIC truly wants to cause the world to question the use of the USD, now is the time. Ukraine is the place.
What you hear from BRIC is "crickets".
So... has a deal been arranged to keep Brazil, India, and China quiet? Has money talked and Russia now finds itself alone? Do Brazil, India and China expect Russia to do the heavy lifting alone? Do Brazil, India and China plan to step in and pick up the pieces?
Watch Germany. I expect Russia is talking to Germany and the US is following the German lead on this. After all, this is a European concern.
Why stop the USA from over exerting itself all over the world in a time of fiscal problems. You want your enemy out there making a fool of itself etc. Just think of how all the leaked conversations of events on the ground, have damaged US prestige around the world. Everyone now has had a documented account of the USA overthrowing a democratic regime while threatening it if it fought back against the radicals and then calling the coup a pro democracy movement. That very same movement that is calling for violence against its own people by sending in the military.
Really, all Vlad has to do is be patient, keep his powder dry, and his enemies will collapse due to overextension.
Let's admit what we all know... Talk is Cheap. Look for Pro-Action and Re-Action.
Putin has Russia in a very good position. With that, you think he would gain something of a chorus of like-minded nations. After all, you said the US has damaged it's prestige around the world. Obama is the biggest disaster of a President that the USA has ever had.
Nations are sitting on a fence for reasons of self-interest. There is no mystery in that. What would Russia need to do get those fence sitters to side with Russia? I expect the nations of the world want Putin to steer Russia so it is more like the USA. The USA has lost a lot of trust under the presidency of Obama. Can Russia gain a lot of trust under Putin?
The world wants to see Russia's plan for the future. With that in mind, I don't think the smart play is to move militarily.
The smart move is to let Ukraine play out and let internal Ukrainian politics and their competing self-interests swamp common sense. Look how stupid Tymoshenko handled things. We all should agree there is no future for her and her ilk in Ukrainian leadership. In any true democratic nation, she would be in jail. If the Ukraine turns to Tymoshenko, the world should wash their hands and let the eastern part of the Ukraine decide their future democratically.
The strength of the USA is told in the old adage about the coolie and the rickshaw. Citizens of Imperial powers will ride a rickshaw and display regal splendor. Odds are an American (or Australian) will be pulling the rickshaw with the coolie in the back. The American (or Australian) would want to know what it is like to be a coolie. A right wing American would be contemplating franchise opportunities while a left wing American would be considering possiblities of union membership.
Why Poland would have anything to do with the U.S. or any other major power is beyond me. Poland was absolutely screwed and left to hang in the breeze before, during and after WWII by all the major players.
just maybe the Fukushima incident was just a prep for what's coming?
Even Canada getting in on the act.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-to-send-6-cf-18s-for-nato-operati...
They meant it when they said "fuck the EU". Europe will be turned into a nuclear wasteland all because empirical games are being played.
I listened to Obama talking about the deal and how it was up to Russia, he sounded disappointed. I guess every president needs a good war and a decent body count to define his presidency. I suspect this deal had a lot more to do with Europe and Russia than with the US which appears always happy to spill other countries blood. The sending of additional troops to Poland in response to the Ukraine crisis will of course have to be cancelled in order for the US to uphhold its part of the deal.
Great News for Germany. All the US and UK troops and spooks are now leaving Germany and do move to Poland, together with their nuclear, biological nd chemical arsenal.
Just as it was the case when the Russians left East Germany, the Germans are going to pay the all the moving costs including building new barracks and housing for the US troops in Poland.
This is how it should have been the whole time already. Poland is then savely protected from the Russian and German imperialist and the US troops are there where they like it most. Deep in the rural hinterland of Poland close to the Wolfsschanze, Maybe the Wolfsschanze can be reactivated. Im sure the Germans are willing to assist.
The first wave of US troops left Germany when the first Gulf war started. Now with WWIII on the horizon the rest is moving out. Lucky Germany - poor Poland. Soon the bulk of the trrops is leaving Afghanistan too moving to Romania which is neighboring Ukraine. Then the new Iron Curtain is completed shielding Western Europe from the Russkies and the Mongol hordes which want the establish a Eurasian business zone spanning from Vladivostok to Euroland, including India and China. This has to be stopped.
Fuck you and oh yes, FREE KONIGSBERG from the Russians!
Good idea.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article38268.htm Making Sense of the Latest Kerry Lavrov Deal
Isn't Hagel about the most sad-sack sumbitch you've ever seen?
I wonder if the great peace maker 0bamao wishes he hadn't reniged on the missile defense system Poland was scheduled to get from US?
The banksters of the West vs the east.
Currency wars then real wars.
Barry's neocons want war.
Very clever, that Vlad fellow.
Every time he speaks the USA insanely responds on a manner that punches a billion dollar hole in the federal budget, a cost similar to twenty F-16s or a couple of Freedom class ships.
All he has to do to maintain a continuous string of victories is keep flexing his (many) muscles.
Obama is outclassed when up against Putin. Putin is tactical.
Mess with the Russians to create a mess. Obama should go back to what he does well, community organizing.
Your ignorance and racism has exposed you to be nothing but a racist. Your racism outclasses your patriotism. You are not a participant in the decisions of the government of the US soooo you really have no idea what is going on.
[sound of respirator]
This is exciting.
[sound of respirator]
[sound of popcorn popping]
It'a all about the money. Wall street and the bankers think they can make a lot of money off another war.
how many children did the ziocon warmongers sacrifice before they mounted this latest aggression? the ziocons are genocidal murdering freaks who must be removed completely from power. they have destroyed this nation and see it as only a packaged meat to be thrown at their enemies which is everyone on the planet. israel and the rothschild globalist ziocons are the greatest threat to the world.
In 1939 Poland smuggled their gold (aprox. 70t) out to London where it has been stored to protect it from the Nazis and later, the communists. Recently they asked for it to be returned.
Of course, this could all just be a coincidence.