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Cliven Bundy Responds To Racism Accusations
In response to the verbal attacks pitched at him over thelast few days, Cliven Bundy has held a brief press conference to explain his perspective on 'slavery' and allegations of racism. Much as the world seems 'happy' to live a life of debt serfdom, Bundy notably remarked that he wonders if any of us are better off now "as slaves to charity and government subsided homes."
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you forgot to list your best buddy --Harry Reid--what about him ----
Dirtbag is a cop groupie.
The one's I've had the pleasure of knowing sure as hell did.
Dick Cheney - gravity don't matter, so how about another no bid contract for Haliburton
#1's name was Jim Jones.
Jim Jones was a Democrat favorite.
Really, at the extreme, exampled core status/democrat values. Enslaved, false economied the products of urban education, made and thought of himself as god, that without him, his non racial ( thought I'd throw that in) that everone was better off dead.
Again, upto the murders at JONEStown, Jim Jones was a Democrat HERO. ( but definitely not a racist, so in the words of Carl Spackler, he had that going for him, which was nice)
They call themselves runaway slaves.
Good link, thanks Jim.
Short vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55aujTwuJY8&feature=player_embedded
"Some brave black men have figured out that government dependency and pressure to conform is the new plantation."
Marcus Garvey, Malcolm X, Huey Newton- many figured it out a long time ago.
IIRC in Machiavelli's "Il Principe" this already had been explained: a very effective way to break resistance of a group is to give the goup subsidies. That way the opposition is reduced and in the long and medium run they are made dependent on the subsidy.
This mechanism was practiced very effectively in the EUSSR to make the farmers shut up against the liberalisation and industrialization of the agrar markets and opening them to speculation like in USrael. Since the small european farmers feared the agrar industry from abroad, they were granted more direct subsidies (while prior the prices and the market was protected from dumping).
These subsidies are that high, that they even became supporters of the EU ("without the EU we would need to compete with GMO dirt and the huge farms in the USA"). Now they are totally dependent on the subsidies in the next years the EUSSR will establish a free trade agreement with USrael and liberalize the agrar market anyway, but with farmers more dependent on direct subsidies than ever before.
I'll take an ammunition subsidy if offered one.
Actually I wouldn't.
Bundy - Don't drone my cattle bro' !!
He forgot to mention that the 13th Amendment (well, the second 13th Amendment) may have freed the black man, but the 14th through 17th amendments proceeded to enslave ALL Americans.
MSM plays the race card and the racist libtards, RINOs, and faint-of-heart "conservatives" eat it all up. Bundy could have chosen better words and been more elegant in his rant, but he is a cattle rancher and I appreciate his no bull-shit approach. Political correctness be damned. MSM should be discussing the meaning of what he said, not how he said it. Ignorant Americans are doomed. I see no hope for them.
Funny how an anti-fed anit-gov protest turns into this. MSM got its orders from above for sure.
How the hell can you put this on the MSM?
I did not see the shotgun to his head when we got the first installment of "Deep Thoughts by Cliven Bundy."
Place blame where it belongs. On him. He is a big boy. Let him figure out how he deals with this.
But to place the blame on the MSM for taping one of his sermons is idiotic.
Please nobody link his "actual, unedited speech" because I watched it.
The short version merely left out "The Mexicans."
pods
You "watched it". But, did you listen? In his own way, he spoke truth. Your predjudice is escaping your pod.
Yeah, I LISTENED and watched, and watched and listened.
What the fuck is so difficult about calling this guy out as an idiot?
So are to ask the average person who sees his words that we must meditate on what he said in a very deep way?
I am prejudiced, so what? Everyone is.
Doesn't mean I can't see a facepalm moment when I see one.
"Theyses all in jail causen they didn't teach'm to pick cotton."
Yet everyone runs around looking to find a way to support him and telling those of us who HAVE watched what he said, and the context, that we must not be getting it.
Sorry, not up to me if he is a hapless communicator.
If that is the most eloquent analogy you got, you might wanna run that by the steers one more time before unleasing it on TV.
pods
Dude fuck this fuckin guy Bundy. He was the victim of a government overreach. His situation, while unfortunate for him, was serving a purpose that could have done a lot of good when it comes to shining the light on the power tactics of the feds. Then he comes out unsolicited with this fucking nonsense that has nothing to do with his situation and shits all over himself and a lot of people that were backing him up. Pontificating as to whether blacks were better off picking cotton or on a subsidy is something we can all do on our own time.
Pods is right he should have STFU.
You must be drinking outta the Susquehanna fonz?
I seriously am surprised as to the lengths people are going to to try and absolve this guy for being an idiot.
There is even a picture linked above showing a black guy with him. lol.
Why not just shake your head and go back to why everyone was pulling for him in the first place?
I was fine with that. Still am actually.
pods
Bundy is a sage sir, why are you so intent on defaming america's Cicero? ;)
You know man, I wish he would have stuck to the circumstancs he was dealing with. If he had come out after making those remarks and not taken them back, but expressed regret for changing the subject and asked that people forget he said them, as they are not pertinent to his situation, I probably could have understood. But at this point he has pushed past that and I think he now is helping the people who were originally against him and making a lot of people who sympathized with him look bad.
+1,000,000,000
That is what I refer to as callin a spade a spade pods.
+1
The shotguns were pointed at him a few days early. You must have missed that. But in all seriousness, try to understand the MEANING to what he said, not how he said it. Don't be so small-minded.
I have said over and over and over again, I don't care what he said. I only care about the dispute that put old Cliven in the limelight.
And he did a great disservice to the cause of fighting government encroachment and unilaterally changing contracts by opening his "deep thoughts" lecture series.
Anyone who know me or any of what I have written here knows I am not a small minded individual.
If he wants to enlighten people, start a podcast or blog.
But if he wants to win over people to his cause of fighting the federal government you might not want to go about it like this.
pods
Freeing one group to turn around and enslave them all. What a concept.
@BB +1
Would be fun to see him run against Harry Reid. Some interesting debates???
Would be more fun to watch him punch Harry Reid in the face.
Republicans like Ron Paul sure don't like him enough to head down there and support him. Ron sure knows how to talk up a revolution. Pity he won't put his money where his mouth is. No donations or front line suppor from him or his Quisling son. Listening to Ron talk about the situation is about as helpful as a broken leg. Same as Tampa. Oh, now, we don't want to go upsetting the establishment bringing guns to Bundy's defence. Blah, blah, blah. Be nice; blah, blah, snore.
The conversation is controlled by MSM. It has been decided that Bundy and his supporters are racist even if critical thinking concludes the opposite. Even if Rand or Ron Paul support Bundy (and I am sure in private they do), it would be suicide to do it openly. Rand has a chance at the presidency and I would vote for him.
You are daft if you think Ron or Rand should come out in support of Bundy and commit political suicide which would only due harm to the cause for liberty.
^^^voter mind.
fucking priceless.
I don't see too many zerohedge commentators running down there to help.
Well someone needs to stick around and man the fort so we can read complaints about manipulated markets from fucking day traders.
Cliven: just shut the fuck up.
If you want to hear some real racist speech, pick up a DVD copy of "Heros of the Democratic Party: Best speeches of the last 150 years" There is a foreword by Sharpton.
O'bomb-a, Sharpton, Wright, Jackson, and so on are all overt racists (gawd, I hate that word), who make hateful, divisive statements as a matter of course. The difference is that the media is on their side, as the media is bought and paid for by statists. Anyone who isn't down with statism/fascism/whateveryouwannacallit is going to be villified by any possible means. I hate to admit it, but Bundy just fucked all of us, probably inadvertently, but that's what just happened here. Remember, the majority of Americans are fucking stupid, lazy, and incompetent. Need proof? Just look at who 'represent' us in DC.
The dumb motherfuckers in this country just want to be spoonfed, and Bundy just handed the MSM spoonhandlers two big jars of babyfood. The federal government is totally in the wrong, and always has been on just about every subject. But Bundy has paved the way for his own dehumanization, and by extension the dehumanization of everyone who isn't a worshipper at the altar of the State and Jackboot.
Uh, no. Plenty of people in this culture get their 15 minutes and talk rubbish. Bundy is a simple fellow and I think he has a flawed view of 19th Century slavery, but I certainly want to hear what he has to say about his own circumstances in the 21st Century. I'm all for discussing history, but our biggest problem as a nation is that we refuse to examine where we stand before the state and the corporation. Bundy is willing to take a stand and discuss these fundementals, so I want to hear what he has to say.
(And I didn't down vote you.)
Agree with what you say, but I downvoted you for not downvoting him. "Shut the fuck up" is not an appropriate response to someone who has a different opinion. Typical of someone whose principles are laid on shaky foundations and who is afraid to have their own opinions questioned.
Not to be too lame, but I don't down vote in general, and didn't start with you. In fact I upvoted you earlier, because I believe we're on the same page. Anyhoo, to get lame, have a nice day.
Downvoting out of spite is lame.
au contraire. I think his view is a lot more accurate than the general retard consensus. The whole "white men running round whipping black men" 24/7 is bull '12 years a slave' crap is a lie. Go read 'south side view of slavery' - http://www.authorama.com/full/pdf/A-Southside-View-of-Slavery--Nehemiah-... watch this episode of 'finding your roots' in which Wanda Sykes finds out her black ancesters owned slaves. - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1gOtwe3THM
The best way to see it is a cross between military/ economic conscription and our benefits system (but with work). It's a lot wierder than that, but you have to actual read about it to get a grasp. Of course bad things happened, but bad things also happened everywhere. The only real guard is human decency.
I think if the north had not have interfered, then it would have pettered out by itself in a couple of more decades as owners would donate their land to the slaves in their wills, or would set them free.
Whose home sank?
'subsided'
Just guessing the Tyler's meant 'subsidized', not subsided...
BUNDYD!!!
Better than being Breitbartd.
Damn Fonestar....that's the most upvotes I've ever seen on a post from you!!
Cheers, man!
Have a BTC-filled weekend!
I've seen a few of his posts in the 20's and/or above when he's not pumping BTC.
Buckaroo, missed opportunity. Should have said "Better than being Bitcoined."
We'll see. This ain't over by a damn sight.
He should make the counter accusation that Harry Reid is antisemitic.
Didn't Reid say something about how Obooger does not talk with a 'negro accent'? I think he even called Obooger articulate which is often viewed as a racist slam.
That would be Joey B who spoke those words during the first campaign for Prez in 2008
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/09/harry-reid-negro-comment-_n_417...
WASHINGTON — Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid apologized on Saturday for saying the race of Barack Obama – whom he described as a "light skinned" African-American "with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one" – would help rather than hurt his eventual presidential bid.
How about that...
a 2fer.
8-/
fonestar heard that Harry Reid is anti-puberty.
My understanding is, he likes his boys well before the age of consent.
But he's married to a JEW. Of course he used to be an athiest, and now he and his JEW wife are Mormon converts. It's all fucked up!!!
RAYCESS! RAYCESS!! RAYCESS!!
If he is somehow virulently racist then he's someone who I'd prefer not to 'hang out' with.
That said, I could give a fuck about what I might consider his personal demons and focus on what his rights are as a rancher and an American. Did I forget to say Harry Reid can go fuck himself?
I can speak from experience here - if y'all were married to Harry's wife, you'd have some sympathy. JAP from hell. That ain't no joke..
it is sometimes wiser to remain silent and let others believe you are stupid than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
This poor bastard is a rancher, not a politician. He DOES for a living, they talk for a living.
Reminds me of James Stockdale.
perhaps that's all the more reason to keep his fucking mouth shut when the cameras are rolling.
by the way, since when does working for a living exempt you from being able to structure a coherent sentence?>
I'm glad he is calling them on all their BS. It's a dialog they suppress because it's a dialog they can't win in the long run.
It shows how even a not so bright man can see through their BS, and is not afraid to stand up to them.
I sense a new meme forming, anyone who sides with government and the MSM is dumber'n Bundy.
Have you ever done any public speaking? It takes skill and practice to do it right. First time anybody does it, they sound 300% stupider than they actually are.
Hah! ...'stupider'... I see what you did. ;)
THE POWERS THAT BE HAVE MANAGED TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT AND NOW, INSTEAD OF FIGHTING A FIGHT THEY CAN NOT WIN THEY WILL FIGHT AN OLD FIGHT THAT IS EASY TO WIN.
CLIVEN NEEDS TO GET BACK ON TRACK AND REMIND THE PUBLIC WHY THE POLITICIANS WANT TO DEMONIZE HIM. GET BACK TO FIGHTING THE FIGHT THAT HE WAS WINNING. DON'T LET TPTB BURY HIM IN ALL THIS IRRELEVANT SHIT. GET BACK TO THE REAL FIGHT.
He doesn't need to do anything as long as the militias are on site and supporting him. The gov't would probably love to Ruby Ridge him, but they don't want an armed conflict of any size - that would spin out of control in a hurry and no amount of lying and propaganda would be able to salvage the situation.
The government merely has to sit back and allow him to hang himself with his words.
pods
His on-site supporters don't care what kind of gaffs he makes in the media, they probably get more behind him when Reid plays this kind of shit up. And I don't think the government wants to exchange gunfire with the militias, unless they're angling for civil war, which is a totally different game plan than just fucking over Cliven Bundy and boosting their authoritarian privileges.
Sadly true.
Not sure why you were down voted. This is not a value judgement but rather a simple observation of fact.
Clive is not a politician. He is not organized, polished or articulate. He knows what he thinks and believes but cannot properly explain it - it is not his forte'. He is probably honest but is not concerned with pomp, niceities or political correctness. This will be his undoing because the unfortunate truth is the people he needs on his side are at least in part concerned with these things and by being unconcerned he is distancing himself from them. Supporters will fade away, so will the story and Mr. Bundy will likely be arrested. This is my predicition - for lack of a crystal ball I could be wrong. We'll see.
I can tell you this - this has become a very public battle and the outcome will be determined largely by image. This is how these things are truly controlled - through public opinion. And that opinion is being shaped before our eyes simply by allowing Clive to lead and speak and be recorded. Have been following it on Drudge personally - if you watch the positngs you can see perfectly how the story has evolved and what the message truly is. One can only hope that in his short moment in the sun he did enough damage to Mr. Reid's et al reputation that he/they will have to retreat as well. Then everyone can go to their own corners for a much needed time out.
In short - be careful to whom you hitch your wagon. The perfect metaphor for this whole mess on both sides I think.
Interesting times eh?
Yeah, when I read the original lines he said I cringed.
I loosely followed the story. Have been following the BLM stuff for a year or so as it pertains to mining (gold miner) and wanted him to succeed. The Feds have been encroaching on use of public lands for a long time. Here in NC it is turtles on the OBX, or plover nests, etc. I watch the people lose these fights because the government goes after a small enough subsample of the population to win. Mining example: California dredging ban had a lot of fisherman supporting it due to it would benefit them. But what will happen is after the miners are gone the fisherman are next. Divide and conquer.
I think here many people feel obliged to defend his comments simply because they came out and supported HIM originally, and not his argument.
So we get these entertaining flame wars. :)
pods
Pods,
I agree whole heartedly with your second last sentence.
The other thing I noticed too was that the coverage of his "explanation" is being fed through RT.
There is quite the flame war going on between the American oligarchy and RT - as it has been labeled Putin's propoganda machine. As I say to my kids - not all attention is good attention.
Now whether this is true or not is to be debated I guess (RT as Putins baby). Most media these days is controlled by someone with an agenda - I see know reason why RT should be any different. But you're bright enough you can see where I'm going with this. A picture is being built here - even if it at times it is subtle if you can look down the road a little you can kind of see where it might end up.
unfortunately, the cats out of the bag. the attention span of the average American media habitué most with IQ levels hovering at room temperature guarantees that said content has been assimilated forgotten and filed away under "he's a racist" repeat tape loop.
Perhaps you should keep your mouth shut. Can I hate you for your views and your rudeness? "I hope someone removes all your teeth with a hammer!" Now I don't actually feel that way but some might take my oppostition with your views to that length. Anyway, I will use your kind words. Just shut your trap. How's that? Is that ok? Am I articulate enough for ya?
how's that bowling team going?
I'm guessing better than your last brazillian wax job.
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Your Mom and Wife are doin' real well. The fat bitches can't hit a pin to save their life but they sure smell sweet.
"since when does working for a living exempt you from being able to structure a coherent sentence"
It doesn't but as long as the cow tastes good I could care less. Ever buy a burger at McD's? Odds are the person that served you is not a speech major. On the racism part (which I could give a shit about) take your white ass for a Friday night walk thru North LV and experience it 1st hand.
why do you assume I'm white?
why do you care?
I care?
?
Well I care about all of you.
<hugs>
pods
Why you should care:
http://rt.com/shows/why-care-summary/
Okay, I'll be quiet now. Would you like a peanut?
alien-IQ : He only assumed that your ass was white.
... and he never said what caused it to be white.
(sticking my neck where it isn't wanted. Sorry. It was too obvious to ignore.)
=P
"He DOES for a living, they talk for a living."
One thing that keeps me coming back to ZH are these comment zingers.
Touche' Banzai.
If he was a rancher, he would pay his grazing rights. He is nothing but a freeloading POS Christian right wing racist scum ball.
The ball sac on most OWS protesters has more Patriotism.
That's precious.....you calling a working CATTLE RANCHER a 'freeloader'. But then again, like all precious lemmings, your REAL problem with him is exposed in the last few words of your second sentence:
1. Christian
2. right wing
If anything will get the libtard lemmings in a panty-soiled uproar, it's any angle that will allow them to spew their disdain for people who even resemble those words. Forget tyrannical government acting blatantly in our faces....this guy is old, white, and he wears a cowboy hat!! EEEEEWWWWW!!!
Ignorance is no excuse, ipso facto, you're a dolt.
I love it when a liberal can't tell the differnce between the truth and racism. I hope that this shit all unravels just to see the liberal-tards eat each other alive.
You need to check your URLs before posting - I think you're looking for Huffington Post or maybe USA Today....
Is he now?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/US_v_Bundy_%2812cv008...
Read it Junior
And sometimes you don't give a fuck because the truth must be stated.
And if you cannot handle the truth, that's your problem.
If you think you are better off today with the erosions of rights we have had sincethe Civil War, you are just not paying attention.
Sometimes it's just better to keep your mouth shut. Now the conversation has gone from federal over reach and corruption to racism...... idiot.
Yep he is helping them change the subject...
A play right out of the authoritarian's playbook:
Step 1) Accuse commoner of racism.
Step 2) Commoner responds in commoner ways.
Step 3) Commoner is racist because he opened his mouth.
Its the king of "gotcha" questions in a "gotcha" world. "So tell me mr bundy do your supporters know you're a racist? Yes or no?"
It's a wasteland of Sound bites and demagogues out there.
I suspect his supporters, the ones down there with the guns and ammo, don't for the most part give a fuck what the government's playbook is, or whether he fumbles in response. They made up their mind about the situation BEFORE they took time off from their own lives to head down there.
How many of his "supporters" are undercover government agents? I bet more than one.
Bundy is losing the media fight. J6P thinks he's a bad guy. That means the .gov can take the gloves off and nobody will care. An agent provocateur can make it look like he shot first. For Bundy's sake I hope this gets settled in court.
.gov can kill a lone rancher's wife and kid, or a bunch of unarmed women and children holed up in a 'cult stronghold', they cannot, under any pretext, engage in an armed conflict like this, without causing it to spin out of control rapidly. The media's no threat to Bundy here, all the government's trying to do is legitimize their position so when they back down they look like the good guys to the mainstream.
The government's ability to project power and escalate violence is almost limitless. Their only constraint is public perception.
The media propaganda machine was running nonstop during the month long Waco siege. The government didn't back down from an armed conflict then, even though there were ample opportunities for a peaceful resolution. Why would they now? Successful resistance sets a dangerous (to them) precedent. That can't be allowed.
I wish Bundy the best of luck, and I really hope you are right, and I'm wrong.
All kinds of wrong there. Tard central.
"Stupid is as stupid does" Forrest Gump's Mother
Agreed. He's becoming quite the media whore. I think he's angling for a reality TV series..."Ranch Wars".
This is a propaganda war. What "conversation"?
http://www.infowars.com/unedited-video-shows-bundy-making-pro-black-pro-...
agrred there is a lot of propaganda, there always is when it comes to the MSM, but he just lost his cause by even talking to those bastards.
Not sure he has a media agent, lol. Guy is a rancher, right or wrong, he's not a politician.
What's even funnier, right or wrong, is that if he owes the Feds $1MM, well, they paid almost that to have the cattle rounded up, plus the helos, the agents, the surveillance etc. etc., which I've read may be $2 - 3 MM more.
So to collect $1MM, the Feds will spend $4MM and quite possbly murder some peeps in the process.
I feel like singing the Star Spangled Banner.
landing a reality show is not as easy as he thought it would be.
Excellent link. Thanks! It shows that this man is not as portrayed. Shame on Rand Paul for cutting and running! Rand is one of my state's senators. This is the first warning that he has given that he may be just like the other- mitch mcconnell. I hope I'm wrong...
The Office of President is not the man, never will be. So while Rand Paul may be the best guy to have in there, he will be shaped by that Office, with all of the contradictions and machinations associated with it. If he upheld the "truth" at every turn, he would never even get close. Yes, it's sad.
If they last more than one term, then they play ball. It still amazes me how deep the political programming runs even in the minds of the ZH fighters.
Know your enemy
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those who put their fath and support in a man who would ask to lead by his words alone are as much a fool as the man who would lead by verse.
Bundy is not such a man but those who see him as such are. when the books are tabelated, only actions and deeds are counted.
The Man said it 100% right, slavery is not about Chains and Whips it's about (lack of) Choice and Responsibility
How many of us get a choice to not pay the governmnet a million in grazing rights,,,,,,and get away with it, by winding up a bunch of dum arz Christian racist red necks!
These are the same POS who mocked OWS, the only protest that was a real threat to the ENEMY!!
LOL!
Pubescent clueless lefty Marxists sitting on their arse all doing fuck all stinking out the whole place, were a threat to the economy?!
Jesus H Christ these sock puppets are not even that good anymore
>> sitting on their arse all doing fuck
And you've don't what, shitstain, other than gobble up corporate propaganda?
I'm working to save the precious metals and crypto I need to survive this clusterfuck you bellwipe! Are you a commie or something?
If OWS had any kind of set of objectives or policies to work to, it would have been something. They didn't have a fucking clue what they were protesting against! Watch the Peter Schiff videos and laugh hard at how ignorant and clueless these young 'revolutionaries' are.
Lefties worship state power and thus they are blind to its destructiveness.
They sat outside Wall Street and the London banks, when it was their beloved governments that bailed the fucking banks out in the first place! The banks are nothing without government power, and yet OWS just couldn't work that simple truth out, because they worship the state.
Democracy is a sham. I know it, it's the lefties that can't work it out.
Rant over
@Skin666 - Most people figured it out quickly, many figured it out eventually, but you are still brainwashed by the MSM and have yet to figure it out.
OWS was a protest against the Supreme Court Citizens United decision (the role of money in politics)
Clue4you: OWS is an inny/outty thing, not a lefty/righty thing. Hope that helps.
"OWS was a protest against the Supreme Court Citizens United decision (the role of money in politics)"
What a load of bullshit that is. OWS was nothing more than a sit-in by a bunch of clueless mini-statists that couldn't even discern their own asses from holes in the ground.
If they had even a modicum of common sense, they would've been squatting in DC with their signs and their slogans. But fuck all that, right? Cuz there was a man they worshipped newly elected in the White House. If they were protesting Citizens United they should've been rallying at the Supreme Court, the Capitol, and 1600 Pennsylvania Ave., not Wall St.
Fuck OWS for a mob of ignorant cunts. They could've done something real had they aimed their fire at the right targets.
OWS was more than just the US Mean Business. There was also an OWS in Britain
3/10 troll score should have thrown abortion and jews in somewhere. Now kindly fuck off you'll starve around this place.
Don't feed the trolls. Just ignore the little turds.
Ya I should know better, but he was just so bad at it...
Nah, that was PRO-government spew, so adding those would've lowered his score.
You are, at best, seriously deluded.
EconomicGenocide
Post a copy of the yearly grazing rights fees that he has not paid and I will believe you. Until then I will believe it is the classic government trumped-up, jacked-up, penalty and interest compounded bullshit that government excels at.
Yep, this is just an expansion of the IRS targeting Tea Party groups. Because unpaid fees to the USSA are involved, the big stick has to come out, but only against non-govt types. Good ole John Corzine can steal billions from taxpayers, and Holder looks the other way. Pure politics by Washington, but the taxpayers are getting wiser, and more restless with each hypocracy. The winds of change are starting to blow.
How many are going to get the chance to not pay off their mortgage loans or their student debt or their bonds?
You think it's a short list?
Let's think about who really owes what here.
First in fairness since NYT edited his words to do a hit piece where is the unedited version of this RT piece for full context purposes. Secondly in response to the grazing issue
And not undercut the original poster but of course his comment is so buried it is impossible to find in this thread right now.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-24/harry-reid-issues-statement-hat...
It is not about racisssm or the character of Mr Bundy period.
Their comment since it is worded very well.
Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17 states that the Federal Government CANNOT own land, except for post offices and such. The Supreme Court backed this up in the landmark case in 1844, Pollard v. Hagan where, when a territory becomes a state, ALL LAND becomes state land.
As soon as new states were formed out of the territory, "the power of the United States over these lands as property was to cease," wrote the court. Thus the provision requiring the people of Alabama to release all title to public lands to the United States, the court said "..would have been void and inoperative, because the United States have no constitutional capacity to exercise municipal jurisdiction, sovereignty, or eminent domain, within the limits of a state, or elsewhere, except in cases in which it is expressly granted..." by the Constitution, such as the District of Columbia, land purchased by the federal government from a state with its consent, and land of a territory before it is divided into states.
Of the latter, said the court, "as soon as these purposes could be accomplished, the power of the United States over these lands was to cease."
In Nevada, the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo states that the Fed's will HONOR the sovereignty of the original 13 states and, as soon as possible, take the territory ceded by Mexico and form soverign states.
The United States government pledged that the territory given up by Mexico "shall be formed into free, sovereign, and independent states and incorporated into the Union of the United States as soon as possible, and the citizens thereof shall be accorded the enjoyment of all the rights, advantages and immunities as citizens of the original states."
You see, the Federal Government has been lying, cheating and stealing forever, breached the trust when Nevada became a state, broke the original contract know as the Constitution, and went against the Supreme Court.
So, fraud vitiates ALL CONTRACTS and renders them VOID from inception, and makes anything which follows null and void. There is no statute of limitations of fraud. The Feds have NO legitimate claim to any land in Nevada and have no authority to send snipers to collect on a bill which Cliven does NOT owe under contract, and has NO jurisdiction to rule in a Federal Court against a state citizen.
Come on now, the Federal Court decides that Bundy's cattle can be confiscated? Anyone else see a conflict of interest when a Federal court rules for the Feds in a case? That's like the fox guarding the hen house.
This whole thing stinks to high heaven, and Harry Reid is right in the middle of the dung pile, and were not talking about COW DUNG HERE.
And speaking of cow dung, desert tortoises, especially endangered ones feed on that shit it is like an all you can eat buffet for them in a food sparse environment.
They don't bring out snipers over tortoises...
Reason 1 for wanting Bundy out of there.
http://www.naturalnews.com/044670_BLM_lies_fracking_leases_Bundy_ranch.html
This document from the Nevada Bureau of Mines and Geology(1) shows significant exploratory drilling being conducted in precisely the same area where the Bundy family has been running cattle since the 1870's. The "Gold Butte" area is indicated on the lower right corner of the document (see below), and it clearly shows numerous exploratory drilling operations have been conducted there.
What's also clear is that oil has been found in nearby areas and possibly even within the Gold Butte area itself.
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Here's the map showing the oil exploration conducted on the land where Bundy runs his cattle (all the red crosshairs are oil and gas exploration drilling operations):
(see website for map)
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The Bureau of Land Management has just cashed in with $1.27 million in oil and gas leases in Nevada. This was just reported two weeks ago in ShaleReporter.com, which states:
U.S. Bureau of Land Management geologist Lorenzo Trimble tells the Las Vegas Review-Journal the Elko County oil and gas leases sold Tuesday for $1.27 million to six different companies. The auction took place in Reno. The leases are near where Houston-based Noble Energy Inc. wants to drill for oil and natural gas on 40,000 acres of public and private land near the town of Wells. The Review-Journal reports the project would be the first in Nevada to use hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, to extract oil and gas from shale deposits.
The way this works, of course, is that BLM runs land theft operations by claiming they are "managing" the land and thereby kicking everyone else off it. They then invoke a reptile, an owl, a bird, a snake or some other animal which they claim to be "saving," even while they are stealing and destroying hundreds of cattle belonging to a private rancher trying to make an honest living in a nation where productive Americans are increasingly branded "enemies of the state."
Once control of the land is established via court order or by bringing armed men with automatic weapons, BLM then turns around and leases the land to fracking companies who proceed to exploit the land using hydraulic fracturing techniques that inject toxic chemicals into groundwater supplies (and have been linked to earthquakes). The money collected by the BLM is then used to increase BLM salaries and bonuses.
In essence, the BLM is a criminal mafia racket, and Cliven Bundy just happened to be in the way of their next target, the Gold Butte area of Nevada. That is why they brought hundreds of heavily armed men to a "save the tortoise" operation.
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And it is not just gas and oil interests that is reason #2
Reason #2
http://www.infowars.com/breaking-sen-harry-reid-behind-blm-land-grab-of-...
The Bureau of Land Management, whose director was Sen. Harry Reid’s (D-Nev.) former senior adviser, has purged documents from its web site stating that the agency wants Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy’s cattle off of the land his family has worked for over 140 years in order to make way for solar panel power stations.
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Deleted from BLM.gov but reposted for posterity by the Free Republic, the BLM document entitled “Cattle Trespass Impacts” directly states that Bundy’s cattle “impacts” solar development, more specifically the construction of “utility-scale solar power generation facilities” on “public lands.”
“Non-Governmental Organizations have expressed concern that the regional mitigation strategy for the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone utilizes Gold Butte as the location for offsite mitigation for impacts from solar development, and that those restoration activities are not durable with the presence of trespass cattle,” the document states.
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Off-site mitigation “consists of compensating for resource impacts by replacing or providing substitute resources or habitat at a different location,” according to a BLM Frequently Asked Questions page on “Regional Mitigation Strategies and Landscape Assessment.” In other words, even if a solar farm is never built on the land Bundy has rights to, the BLM still wants him off of the land in order to use it as “compensation” for public land that will be used for solar farms in other areas.
Another BLM report entitled “Regional Mitigation Strategy for the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone” (BLM Technical Note 444) reveals that Bundy’s land in question is within the “Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone and surrounding area” which is part of a broad U.S. Department of Energy program for “Solar Energy Development in Six Southwestern States” on land “managed” by BLM.
“[Reid] and his oldest son, Rory, are both involved in an effort by a Chinese energy giant, ENN Energy Group, to build a $5 billion solar farm and panel manufacturing plant in the southern Nevada desert,” he wrote. “Reid has been one of the project’s most prominent advocates, helping recruit the company during a 2011 trip to China and applying his political muscle on behalf of the project in Nevada.”
“His son, a lawyer with a prominent Las Vegas firm that is representing ENN, helped it locate a 9,000-acre (3,600-hectare) desert site that it is buying well below appraised value from Clark County, where Rory Reid formerly chaired the county commission.”
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“Reid is accused of using the new BLM chief as a puppet to control Nevada land (already over 84% of which is owned by the federal government) and pay back special interests,” she added. “BLM has proven that they’ve a situational concern for the desert tortoise as they’ve had no problem waiving their rules concerning wind or solar power development. Clearly these developments have vastly affected a tortoise habitat more than a century-old, quasi-homesteading grazing area.”
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And as we can see the Federal Goverment doesn't legally own that land to begin with.....
Also as a reminder.
http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2014/04/09/nevadan-named-blm-chief/
A natural resource manager who grew up in Elko has been named director of the Bureau of Land Management.
The U.S. Senate voted 71-28 on Tuesday to confirm the appointment of Neil Kornze to the post.
Kornze was raised in Elko and is a former senior adviser to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid. He joined the BLM in 2011 and has been leading the agency as principal deputy director for the past year.
The BLM oversees more than 245 million acres of public lands nationwide, including about 48 million acres inNevada.
Thanks Dewey for posting all this info in your 3 posts. If this was put out on the MSM (never, no how, ever), Harry Reid and cronies would be the ones answering questions instead of the country bumpkin.
"And speaking of cow dung, desert tortoises, especially endangered ones feed on that shit..."
I was almost sure this had to be made up.
https://journals.uair.arizona.edu/index.php/rangelands/article/viewFile/...
The BLM should be paying Bundy.
dewey:
"Thus the provision requiring the people of Alabama to release all title to public lands to the United States, the court said..."
and
"Come on now, the Federal Court decides that Bundy's cattle can be confiscated? Anyone else see a conflict of interest when a Federal court rules for the Feds in a case? That's like the fox guarding the hen house."
now, now dewey....sitting on both sides of the fence can really hurt...
either the courts count or they don't...
:)
I disagree. There are two very different kinds of slavery being conflated here. "Debt slavery" is a very different kind of wrong perpetrated on a populace than physical "bondage." Witness some of the stories of victims of human trafficing: http://mynorthwest.com/646/2249364/Child-sex-trafficking--as-easy-in-Sea...
Tell me you'd equate the two if that shit happened to your daughter.
I've said since 0zer0 was elected, "Hope & Change was nothing but Hoax & Chains". Might not be PC, but I think it's damned accurate.
"Slavery was never abolished, it was only extended to include all the colors."
- Charles Bukowski
Damn that is a good quote !!!
Participation in being a vote slave does not have any race or gender requirments. They are happy to have anyone trade their vote for a gov't check.
He took the bait...
...by opening his mouth. Those cunning media types, at it again.
First mistep was opening his mouth about a hot button issue that had nothing to do with his current situation yes. This is the second.
But it has everything to do with his situation; he's a dinosaur, his views are antiquated and absurd, and that subtracts weight from his arguments because it shows that the man making them as being out of touch with our current reality. You see where that goes right? That's politics, that's how we have come to understand people over the years, that's how all manner of campaigns, large and small are judged; the people fighting them, the arguments they make, their past, their potentials, intelligence, friends, opinions, ideals etc etc. This is not just an argument over a farm, it's about a way of life, and that ties into everything there is.
Also, banging on about his freedoms and then being so flippant and insulting about the freedoms(and dignity) of others, paints him as a self interested hypocrite. He would champion the freedom and dignity of his fucking cows before that of other humans.
Bundy Comments on Slavery Endorsed by Black Descendant of Slaveshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPd4ILoc0sw
stupid. mother. fucker.
I wonder what he would do to one of his slaves that owed him a million dollars in grazing rights on his plantation?
White old delusional Christian Repubs are exactly why this country is being dragged in the mud by the Zionist.
Of course a bunch of delusional ghost worshiping dum arz Christian Dems taking orders from AIPAC dont exactly help!
Americas Axis of Evil = Religion/Ignorance/Apathy!
What is freedom without morality ... asshole
the definition of morality varies from person to person, culture to culture and over time.