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Cliven Bundy Responds To Racism Accusations
In response to the verbal attacks pitched at him over thelast few days, Cliven Bundy has held a brief press conference to explain his perspective on 'slavery' and allegations of racism. Much as the world seems 'happy' to live a life of debt serfdom, Bundy notably remarked that he wonders if any of us are better off now "as slaves to charity and government subsided homes."
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Finally someone with a level of intelligence who thinks for himself...Thank you FA
Reposting The Jones Plantation vid for anyone who hasn't seen it.
"From this day forward you are no longer slaves. You are free to leave the plantation whenever you want! Or you can stay and be part owners."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vb8Rj5xkDPk
The World Homeowners Association control freaks in DC and their supporters should be ashamed. But of course they are shameless.
"There is no discontinuity between an 'american' base and its elite."
Other than the lampposts.
I would say today's 'american' is little different than yester-millenia's 'roman'
I guess that's what a 'republic' will do to 'freedom' and 'thinking'
'American' nature cant hide for very long...
Speaking of nature, I see that there are more cHiNee citizenism turds on the streets and elevators of cHiNeeSe cities than cow patties on all the American ranches combined. Perhaps a new job opportunity for an entrepreneur such as yourself?
Tyler just can't quit this racist pig.
Yes Harry Reid is a king Swine, thanks for noticing.
Any time someone prefaces his statements with the phrase, "Let me tell you one more thing I know about the Negro..." you just KNOW it won't end well for him.
I'm a slave to College. I'm waiting for my FAFSA check to get in so I can go shopping. That's the thing about these globalist, they want everyone to be smarter than they are because they know they are too stupid to survive (probably due to inbreeding) so they take all the money that their anscestor's stole and are giving it to people that can fight them off and put them out of their misery.
I don't believe Cliven Bundy is racist; I know what he means to say. But even if he was racist, I really don't give a shit. So what if he is?! On the issue of his rights being trampled on by our overbearing government, his racist sentiments would not make him wrong and the government right.
The race card is the secular statists preferred mechanism when attacking the opposition.
You are only racist if they need you to be.
Check out this CIA News Network Headline:
CNN exclusive: Rancher says he's not racist, still defiant over grazing battlehttp://www.cnn.com/2014/04/24/politics/cliven-bundy-interview/
Goebbels is alive and well.
He's a politically incorrect old man who tried to make a point in a coarse manner.
To the older generation "Negro" was acceptable. They watched both blacks and whites use it. Just because the younger generations are so thin skinned and don't like the word doesn't mean it's wrong to use it.
If the grandparents/great grandparents of blacks today were as thin skinned as the current generation, blacks WOULD still be picking cotton.
for anyone who missed this from 2012:
The NDAA Legalizes The Use Of Propaganda On The US Public
The newest version of the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) includes an amendment that would legalize the use of propaganda on the American public, reports Michael Hastings of BuzzFeed.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/ndaa-legalizes-propaganda-2012-5#ixzz2zuc...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agXns-W60MI
Full context is important. He says (in a very abrupt sort of way) exactly what any thinking person can plainly see in this country.
I can't really understand the audio on this clip.
I do know that his original comment about "the Negro" was meant to be sympathetic, and if you deconstruct it and reword it it comes to just about that and nothing more. Except these days if you even say "the Negro" nobody listens to a word that follows.
Heck, you're not supposed to say "the" anything, too categorical, too judgemental. So the real sin he committed was using the word, "the".
You know, this guy has nerve talking about "government subsidized homes" when his cattle graze on government land. Hypocrite much?
As far as his "racism" -- here's a guy who doesn't even know any black people, making judgements of an entire race just because he drove by a housing project one time and saw people loitering around. Ignorance on parade...
Question: Name one predominantly black community in the DC US that is not a violent cesspool?
I'll wait.
Violence is a result of urban poverty more than race. There is also a historical legacy here which is usually denied by people like yourself who like to paint an entire race with a very broad brush.
the prisons are filled with poor white people?
Depends on how many cops could find poor black people to frame for a crime & plant evidence on...
But poor urban Irish are not holding me responsible for the Potato Famine and calling me anti-Irish every time I point out their living conditions.
The poor Irish are not being used as doomed tools against me.
Go to Chicago and see what the wonderful and beautiful neighborhoods where they "live" have become.
And another question: "If we are all equal, do they have to behave more like me, or me like them?"
Palestine is now very violent too but only because they too were caged in by racism, into poverty, having food & property stolen, their people killed. They are victims are racism as are many poor communities. They are MADE poor as you are being made poor but they were shoved to the bottom first.
You'll be there soon enough in case you hadn't figured this out.
YOU ALL are on the plantation now. Progressive slavery don't care what colour your skin is.
Much as Roman slavery didn't care what your origin / skin was either... you were taken as a slave or you weren't and once you were a slave it was irreversible (almost).
Hm, another Republic. Fancy that. Republic of Rome, Republic of USA...
Both sides are religious racists.
Which side started the fight first in the past,
gets lost in the present circumstances.
Ignorant post
One of the those present on Bundy's ranch to oppose the BLM is Black Man, who came on Alex Jones show and told Bundy was no racist at all. That man has been there 24/7 and in Bundy's home same as anyone...
You post stupid clearly demonstrating your ignorance of any fact.
If you want to pay twice the price for beef, go for it. YOU are the one being subsidized for THE FOOD PRICE of beef in stores.
YOU pay less when BUNDY grazes cattle on NEVADA land for grass that otherwise isn't being used. For that matter the grass needs nutrients & the prior years of cow's shitting there probably provided the nutrients.
This guy raises beef, and beef is food; that's all I need to know. The real racists grow Doritos and High Fructose Corn Syrup...then they give you "free" EBT money to purchase that trash with.
I don't care if he believes that purple unicorns exist, his unalienable right to Life, Liberty and Property are my rights. As goes Bundy, so goes I.
No more Wacos!
If Bundy is a Racist what does that make this man?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sUjlle7ZVo
I would call him guillotine destined.
"Al, the guillotine will see you now. Here's a toot to get you through it."
http://www.politico.com/story/2014/04/rand-paul-dean-heller-cliven-bundy...
Republican Sens. Rand Paul and Dean Heller on Thursday both denounced as “offensive” and “racist” Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy’s recent comments about African-Americans.
“His remarks on race are offensive and I wholeheartedly disagree with him,” Paul said in a statement, according to Business Insider.
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“Senator Heller completely disagrees with Mr. Bundy’s appalling and racist statements, and condemns them in the most strenuous way,” Heller spokeswoman Chandler Smith said in a statement.
Both Paul and Heller have previously defended Bundy, the Nevada rancher who is in a standoff against the federal government. Heller has referred to his supporters as “patriots.”
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Let's see how they respond now and just how Randy "the company man" Paul's father and his mouthpieces respond to this. I suspect we are going to find out just how compromised old Ron has become. Remember who funds CFL and RPI. They just want control of the ring of power without cutting the puppet strings which doesn't fix anything at the end of the day.
ron has been consistently clear on the same subject. in his private medical practice he refused to accept .gov funds but never turned a patient away. he knows the corrosive effects of the dole on the spirit of people. he has also been called racist for very similar annunciations most recently during the last election.
Ever since he started his 'institute' he seems to have gotten all Mr Maghooish or possibly sold out to get into the club. He is teaching idoltry to the youngins about pieces of paper being guarantors of rights. Wrong as Mr Bundy is showing it requires counterparties to hold the other counterparties accountable to the contract. The contract in and of itself doesn't guarantee shit. So his take is to sell land to pay off debts that doesn't even belong to the Federal Goverment in violation of the very same contract he is claiming guarantees rights....
i think his conflict is he sees his son as the logical new torch bearer and wants to help him become president or, at the very least, stay in his seat. the problem is the district rand represents is filled with marginally human mouth breathers who could be easily swayed by the anti liberty people(most of the rest of .gov) to kick him out. it is politics, afterall. i don't believe either have wavered from the core liberty philosophy.
ahhhahahahha,
but!!
fuckin' brilliant, thanks.
Brave Sir Randy Robin bravely turned his tail and bravely fled. He is a whore not a leader just like the rest of them.
According to the MSM and the government school system, if you are white then you are racist. This fact is evidenced on the playground and the ballfields, you can hear from most non-whites now. Cultural Marxism has infected all of society now.
Do you mean the government school system that is forcing the corporate and big bank created and funded Common Core State Standards down the throats of our public school children? Or is it the Blended Learning canard being championed by Wall Street? Are those the cultural Marxism things you are talking about.
My god, we are doomed!
i'm white, educated, healthy, wealthy and happy! i'm getting old, but boy, oh boy did i have a lot of fun. enjoy it while you can. i guess around Y2K started the real nonsense in my world. now - i'm the bad guy.
so - i'm old, i will get sick and die, and i stand aside.
may you all enjoy lebron james and all he has to offer. and did i forget justin bieber. or oprah.
they will leave a great legacy of enlightenment of humanity.
Taker
We have a family of porch monkey’s living in the White House. There, I said it! The media loves to stir up division by color & political purposes. Let’s just hope this doesn’t turn into a Bill Clinton Waco, TX massacre.
Most of us wouldn't miss Bundy or the terrorists that flocked to support him.
the only terrorists were those who were against Bundy, stealing his cattle, his property. He didn't commit a crime & being armed and standing up to tyranny is not terrorism, it's PATRIOTISM.
Thank you for your intellectual heft. You always bring so much to the debate.
This has not been seen by to many people
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_XqdQjTflc#t=53
Bundy defies the Establishment by declaring his allegiance to the Marxist/globalist thought control. What a conflicted man.
I guess blacks are a protected species... sort of like the desert tortoise? Pretty pathetic to codify insults to blacks as crimes... must be a failing sub-species to need such long-term artificial support... do Asians whine like this? Should we discuss reperations while we still have Obunga and Holder and Susan rice and Mooch and Val jarrett and Elijah Cummings to guide us??
All distractionary shitte put forth by you know who
You want to see a real racist? How about Netendafeckingyahoo's now deceased spiritual leader Rabbi Yosef
"Goyim (gentiles, non-Jews) were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel," he said, according to the Jerusalem Post. "Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat. That is why gentiles were created." An "effendi" is a lord, or a master, in Arabic.
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Security-Watch/Backchannels/2013/1007/Rab...
How does it feel to be a white racist freeloader? I think Bundy is too stupid to recognize the irony in his stupidass remarks.
"I think Bundy is too stupid to recognize the irony in his stupidass remarks."
You should know, because your remark, is just as stupid. Thought I'd point it out, because, after all, you've got to be stupid to believe what the MSM spoon feeds you.
Hedley Lamarr: Unfortunately there is one thing standing between me and that property: the rightful owners.
http://www.youtube.com/v/KDm3zCvN4ao?start=135&end=143&version=3
Hey Rubes!!! Look at that shiny object over there.
The NYT and MSM did a good job of distorting the truth, as usual. Here is what Bundy actually said.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oIQyWNgRNI
The sustance of what he said is actually very progressive.
Being a slave is better than living off a welfare check?
I would agree with that, Mr. Bundy.
Is it better to know you are a slave and seek freedom, or to be enslaved while imagining yourself as free?
I read the full text of comments he made, the ones that led to him being accused as a racist, bigot, right wing terrorist.
as always is the case the MSM, the SPLC and senator Reid cherry picked a few lines and presented them to a very gullible and short sighted American public.
Bundy actually made the case, in his own way, that the black community went from one form of slavery to another, from private slave owners to now being owned by the government.he questioned not whether they were better of as slaves, but are they really any better of now. he also pointed out that the criminal justice system in the US was in itself racist. he went on and praised the Mexican population for it's work ethic and family values, he was actually defending them, not attacking them.
Bundy is an old timer so his use of terms like negro and colored people shouldn't come as a surprise to anybody, most people who choose to exercise a little common sense and critical thinking can clearly see the man did not use those terms in a racist or hateful context. it's just that he comes from a time before political correctness took away a large part of our freedom of speech and verbal expression. he comes from a time most of us here don't remember.
he points out the danger that we all face, have faced for decades now, that the US federal government seeks not to enhance or protect civil liberties and freedoms but instead it strives to destroy cultures. it seeks to eliminate the individual and create one timid, mindless collective where color, or culture or religion or independent thought or action no longer exist. it seeks to wipe out the very idea of morals or values or racial and cultural identity and replace them with a state worship and dependency culture devoid of anything that makes us different, makes us real human beings. that we all will not always get along, that some of us may dislike each other based on issues of culture or religion or moral point of view is only natural, it is a part of the human condition.
in any case regardless of Mr. Bundy's personal views, which clearly are not worthy of a hate crime, his or anybody's personal point of view on another race, color or culture are his and his alone and should never be the subject of government debate or accusation as it has no legal bearing on the issue at hand nor is it any of their business unless he commits a crime motivated by such views which he clearly has not done.
it is Reid and his ilk in DC that need to be put on trail here and be exposed and punished for the criminals they are, not an 80 year old rancher from Nevada.
He's a realist talking from the place of experience and observation.
Most are offended by his use of certain words to describe that community.
He should have known better, but the message was sincere.
surprised? old timer?
Man, kids today don't know what happened 10 years ago much less 2 generations or more ago.
Discredit the witnesses against you, before wasting them
this place is getting embarrassing.
Couldn't agrree more.
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
It seems that the definition of rayciss is now 'making any comment about non-caucasions that does not include a govco handout as the solution.'
Is it better to live as a slave than it is to live on welfare all your life?
Good question!
The government's war on poverty is 50 years old!
Over 100 million Americans living on government assistance?
Is Neo-Feudalism the answer?
Do we bring back slavery for all races?
Wake the fuck up people!
Maybe if we took this POS old white Christian tax evaders property and sold it off and created jobs for those people on welfare, we could solve 2 problems at once.
This guy is at the top of the welfare food chain, just behind banks and large corporations.
Sorry, the top spot is reserved for Congress.
Reid, Feinstein, Boxer, etc....
The real welfare kings and queens live in Washington, DC.
EconomicG, -- but your comment reads so very jewish.
Just like Mugabe! Steal property and claim to create jobs, then... collapse the nation & its currency.
Derrr ... otay George!
Whew! The MSM found something to distract the sheep from Blowjob Barry's foreign policy shit show.
Borat Obama's America
Who is the Slave?
Who isn't a slave in this system?
Both are slaves.
The government confiscates at least half your wages every year.
The government turns you into a felon if you don't pay tribute.
The people are forced to support illegal acts all over the world.
The guy sitting on the porch has little to motivate him to participate.
The key question is what racism has to do with property rights, human rights and government overreach.
Nothing.
It's all an ad hominem attack.
Government operates without the consent of the people just as much when the BLM runs this guy off land his ancestors have held since the 1870s as it does when a bunch of white cops club a defenseless, mentally challenged black homeless man to death. The victim's views don't matter.
Harry Reid is using Geobbels-era tactics in a Facebook/YouTube/cellpone camera age.
He is also sounding like Nero.
The turtle is out of the bag on your whorin' and thievin', Harry.
Harry Reid has never in his life referred to people of color in a derogatory way!
No, never Harry Reid! The righteous Mormon has never used the "N" word in his entire life (and I'm not talking Negro)!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Breath! brother Breath!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV9v9Hemz64
The Democrat Party's War on Poverty, brought to you by the likes of LBJ, has created the largest Slave Plantation known to mankind called the United States of America. Happy slaves who get free money. They eat, reproduce, get abortions, and contribute nothing to society. But, are they really happy? Mr. Bundy would like to see them learn a trade and contribute. That's all he was trying to say.
Gotta remember to write his name in next time I vote.
Other than using the antiquated word "Negro" instead of Black Man I can't see what he said was not the truth.
That's all it takes in a brainwashed PC nation to get a conviction on someones character.
Yer Honor, I object! This man interrupted me while I was watching Ow, My Balls! That is not cool!
so - please don't call me caucasian. i'm a whitey! ( i did love being called pink ass once in the ghetto. never thought of that.)
None of this matters.. The BLM will come back and I predict there will be bloodshed. Revolution starts.
Yes. High probability that the other jackboot will fall.
Mr. Bundy has been call a racist, he is not. The people who are offended by calling a Negro a Negro are the non equal racist. I'm pink but you can call me white; I’m not offended. Ha. Ha.
The cowboys won the stand-off weeks ago with the illegal BLM - Basically, it was you put a scope on my head and tell me to build a coffin; I will put a scope on your head and tell you to “get” we are here for our cattle, we did not burn down your offices; you are the cow stealing trespasser. The Feds folded and indeed they did “get”. Ha. Ha.
Erick Holder (remember Waco) and his mob of henchmen will be back and we will see what happens next, stay tuned. (not to CNN), it is just a matter of time. Ha. Ha.
Does the BLM have the legal right to the land? Check out this video link below to understand the difference between corporate maritime law and land law.
Occult World of Business and Finance:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=podqzlRsgMU
There has been this debate since I was a child and I am sure well before my birth. The argument that Black America has made little of their freedom since the Civil War. The fact is, the freedom was a relative word, as in the south, a new form of control over blacks was quickly put into place. And since a black no longer had value as a slave holders property, it became a no cost solution to kill those who acted up or spoke up. We are all familiar with the Southern social system that rose up after slavery. You gotta admit, it must have been tense for southern whites to see, in some areas a majority black race, the slave class unleashed upon a south used to seeing these folks as property.
My great Grandfather was a union soldier as a 15 year old from New York, and grew up to become an officer during the war years. He served as an occupation cavalry officer at war's end. Family tradition recalls his experience of seeing the black slaves wandering the roads of the south, no idea where to go or what they could or couldn't do. I think Union forces acted on local pressure to keep a tight reign on these former slaves, until they settled back down as low wage farm workers and a tiny minority used their social skill to begin small businesses to serve the blacks.
In fact, if this small business class and growing professional class of blacks had been allowed to prosper and grow, to influence the local black community, to become police, doctors, lawyers, business men, employers, preachers and influential successful independent farmers, we could have seen that influence act to bring the slaves into some form of independent peoples, looking to themselves and to their black leaders as enforcers of a social order and a system to rewards for acting as workers and owners. We all know that this happened only to a small degree and only in self segregated black comminites.
But this was not the case. And we see what many American innre cities have become. No go zones.
If your great-grandfather was born circa 1845-1850,
it seems you must be an old-timer yourself, or
your ancestors married at middle age, or
the youngest child of the youngest child of the youngest child ???
They were kicking ass playing catch up right UP TO the "War On Poverty". They were only a few percent off of whites when it came to stable nuclear families, close to or over 80% IIRC. 40+ years of the WOP has reduced that to less that 20%!
At every turn Democrats tried to screw them during and after reconstruction and then when the social barriers were right at the crux of being overthrown the 'rats throw in the asshole towel and go for the state pusher tag.
Those miserable fucks resegregated government service and the military under Wilson, and at the local level, and probably via both parties, nearly every early 2nd Amendment violation law arose from trying to keep freed slaves and their decendants from owning the means to defend themselves.
damn... I'm gettin' wound up...
Bundy’s BLACK Bodyguard says HE’S NO RACIST:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/04/black-bundy-bodyguard-hes-not-a-racist-i-would-take-a-bullet-for-that-man-video/
I'm sure there were always a few chickens who adored Colonel Sanders.....
On Cliven Bundy Picking Cotton: I, James David Manning, Have Context... Great input and SUPPORT on Bundy remarks from a very well spoken Black man that made his way in life from the cotton fields of No. Carolina.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk9dzcmiWwI
The guy is just not well spoken. I understood him to be trying to make the point of what had the government done for Black people (literally destroyed their nuclear family and crushed out almost all independance and drive in return for the "privledge" of a public serfdom voting block) and who's next in line amongst demographic subgroups for the same treatment?
He could have jacked one out of the park if he'd have wrapped up by contextualizing that as a call to every American to figure out how we can free our melanin enhanced brothers from the clutches of politicians and the state.
He at least is a good lesson though in public speaking. Whatever you make to say, sit on it for a while, review it, and get a friend to look over it.
Most unpolished tend to not be too well spoken and often don't realize that his words will be taking to the tenth degree literally obsurcing his big picture notion that might have played better and could be aligned with the point Bill Cosby made a decade or so ago then thusly excorciated by his own race and media. Of course he could've always "meant exactly what he said" but I didn't take it that literal and understood a point in his message.
You people should know better than to make a hero out of anyone before you know the whole deal. But if you want to go the, "poor.old,farmer" route be my guest, I need the chuckles.
No "hero" here roadkill. We really don't care too much about Bundy. It's all about his rights, our rights, and the lack thereof. He could be alot of negative things. That would be his problem. We care about basic rights....liberty....and stuff....
Before you give this guy too much shit, remember how old he is an what time he came from:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpsGyz1FQCc
Picking cotton was not racist in his time. It was a job. There were competitions where people who were good at it made a lot of money. He isn't the one being ignorant. He literally thinks cotton picking was a good job because he grew up with it and agriculture.
Bundy is a rancher and melon farmer, hardly more glamourous than cotton farming.
Its real work, he respects it. He said "colored people" left outraged he didn't use their updated "people of color" term.
This was never about Bundy and his personal beliefs. It was about the FEDS showing up with dogs, snipers, helicopters and tasers.
What I uncovered looking at land transfers around his 160 ac ranch is that USA land in mysteriously shrinking near Bundy. Then I see a transfer for zero dollars to Reid Bunkerville LLC.
Who is stealing, Harry Reid? Looks so, Bundy has a lawyer now who has a team investigating Harry Reid.
Link for donations?
Nice work Inspector Clouseau. I'm glad you figured it all out. Now can you start paying attention to our real problems?
I wish someone would investigate the apparent election fraud in the last election. Reid's son ran the counting and Reid mysteriously jumped from behind the tea party candidate to ahead after a "so called" power outage.
Pull the plug and insert whatever numbers you want.
Reid and his son should most likely be in jail, not stealing from the people of this country.
What's the difference between a black man and a nigger?
The nigger's the one who would even answer that question.
He answers a question with a question.
Jon Stewart To (Dumbass) Rancher: No, Slavery Was Not Better For Black People:
http://bit.ly/QGC4kU
Hey, lets get off the subject of Gov. jackboots with snipers and dogs pointed at fellow Americans over grazing fees and turtles, and lets talk about wether or not he's a racist.
Way to kick the spotlight off you, Harry. It always seems to work.
Well, like him or not he stands up to .gov a hell of a lot harder than most people on this rock and for that alone he deserves for us to have his back.
Wu! Swedgen! Hang dai!
Hang Dai, fuckin' Wu.
You can never go wrong with a Deadwood reference, especially Swearingen quote.
Subsidized. Not subsided.
Why doesn't ZH ask for some volunteers to do a little proofreading before you publish these things?
Another confused ZH motherfucker institutionalized by common core Educational thinking for United Nations purposes. UN Theocracy Alice Bailey explains the long drawn out purpose. Let you decide.
Life of Alice Bailey
The same nigger that grew up in Kenya and is the President of Global Debt was a part of this mission back thru his drunk father. Let’s roll back the choom time..
Maitreya in Nairobi
Next comes another Maitreya's appearance in Nairobi, Kenya, same year
All the transgender, homosexual and Obama administration may want to lay on the floor and pull up your legs up to practice terrorism autofellatio style.
Whether you have a dick or pussy, suck down your personal failures. Cum in your mouth so we can use you on TV to branch out our personal objectives.
FTP directory /Videos/1999/09-29-1999/ at maitreya.no-ip.info
ftp://maitreya.no-ip.info/Videos/1999/09-29-1999/
winks
Very enlightening. Please continue.
"Tortoise Shrugged"
The Tortoises on Bundy's grazing land are symbolic of the World Turtle (the Hindu Kurma). Kurma carries our World in its back. When the Tortoise Shrugs, we are gonna be hatin it. DonT mess with Kurma's little buddies in Nevada!
Am I the only one who is strangely aroused by this post?
Well, we learned from this episode that Rand Paul is just another politcal schmuck. Rather than taking what government has done to the underclasses seriously, he decided to echo the political racists and try to burn Bundy.
Bundy is much less of a racist than those claiming him to be. Bundy has concern for the "now" underclasses, the politicians only want to make them useless and dependent so that they can control them.
Republican and Democrat parties are operating for a global seat in the palace. Game is over for the elected party. Goodbye, senate, and congress. Your fucking toast unless you buy new amnesty votes. I think, if you pull this off, you will become another banker death. If you haven’t read the news, your elite fucks have been cleaning up financial figure head mistakes. Vote for what you are told in US lobbying Bullshit. Join the banking death community.
The good news, we are logged onto Xkeyscore to monitor your decision. Blows kisses. Your NSA score can wipe out your life.
Last comment, you built this exposed monster, your going down with it. Democrat/Rino funded. Fuck off cunts. You have been exposed.
Sad part is that a my Black friends kind of sympathized with Bundy. Let's not forget, they have also been dispossessed by the gov't (Black Wall Street). But then he turns around tells them they were better of as slaves. Now he's indefensible.
As someone who has read transcripts narrated by former slaves after their emancipation, I can't blame Black folk for finding him repulsive.
Had he argued that Blacks were better off under segregation, as opposed to under chattel slavery, he might have an argument. But now, not even close.
Also: what have "the Negroes" got to do with his original cause? Have they taken his welfare cattle? his land? Does he even know any Black people? How many Black people does he even see on a given day?
Should have left them well enough alone. He's a lost cause - let him twist in the wind.
He has a black bodyguard who would "happily take a bullet for him". Cute how he pays bodyguards but not his taxes.
I disagree he might have had an arguement if he had used segregation as a comparison. Had I been a black parent during that time with an unending undercurrent of fear, when black bodies were hung up as spectacle... I fear for my children when they leave the house now because kids are dumb and can get into trouble even when you do your best to bring them up right. I just can't wrap my head around what it must have been like for some people alive during our romanticized past.
What part of the man saying that he "WONDERED" don't you understand asshole?
I wonder?
It's really amazing that law abiding, tax paying, patriotic Americans can get behind some guy who refused to pay grazing fees for 20 years AND doesn't even believe the federal govt exists (as he rides around waving the US flag).
Truth.
I guess it ain't welfare if a good ol' boy is on the take.
Further, if an armed coalition comprised of members of [insert minority group] poured in from all corners of the country and faced off against the gov't in defense of their (perceived) rights, the same folks cheering on the so called underdog and foaming at the mouth about gov't overreach would suddenly side with the authorities and demand that the uppity [insert epithet]'s be crushed because this is 'Murica and we are law abiding folk.
The bile, hatred and bigotry against "the others" is par for the course, but at least be consistent. Hypocrisy is sickening.
"So then because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spew you out of my mouth." Revelation 3:16
KKK does a pretty good job of robbing me and selling methamphetamines to children while aparently having sex with their own kids while making child sex tapes to the tune of millions
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why doesnt he talk about white people problems if hes some Dr. Phil with a cowboy hat
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I saw a lawyer had 40 pages of documents, aparently im a grown up so.... what do I think I can do when people slap me in front of the cops and call me a pussy.... white privelage and all for crackheads with sex tapes fucking felons while stealing millions
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dont get me wrong, these morons imitate blacks, slur their words, and hate obama. They tell morons this shit and then tell my mom their going to beet her kids right in front of all their faces, pretty wierd seems to work... hate black people, cool i wont fire you, now watch me rape my kids
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oyeah, and this monsters son that peddles and manufactures pounds of meth... he gave the names of informants working for cops to felons... and his child sex tape brother told me this shit... and hes in prison right now for manufacturing meth... and ive gone to a lawyer and contacted my family... and he gives the names of people he doesnt like to felons for retribution... while his dad steals millions and wrecks my relationships, gets me slapped by his sex tape sons friends in front of the cops that do nothing, while the hells angels call bomb threats into county prosecutors, and his meth head son in prison... well maybe he will want the first clean million in his life, while his dad "suposedly" fucks his fellon crack head girlfriend "many witnesses to coluding on weekends around "the apartment"" by giving my name to the felons that he was working for in town before he went back to prison for the 8th time in colorado... that I called Mr. Bruce Tomblin about concerned about my sister and her kids if this guy gets out in a rage and he hung up on me... he just fucks my mom and says he will beat her kids... and he does, everyone thinks blacks are freaky
I don't know one thing about this old fuck and I don't care to know because it's sure to be horseshit and misinformation flying from both sides.
Every one out there either defending or damning him is relying on some bullshit media they read or watched to make their case.
So the end reality is, he's just an old fool who found himself hijacked for another divide and conquer routine to be played out through the fucking lie box as entertainment.
Zerohedge has gone full retard. Grazing on federal lands for 20 years (which belong to every American, not just Bundy) and refusing to pay the grazing fees...this site has gone from anti-financial fraud/corruption/crony-capitalism to ApocalypsePorn. Such a shame.
Actually, this is about what happens when a territory becomes a state.
The Pollard decision expressed a statement of constitutional law in dictum making it very clear that the Feds have no claim over the lands in Nevada. The Supreme Court states: "The United States never held any municipal sovereignty, jurisdiction, or right of soil in and to the territory of which Alabama, or any of the new States, were formed, except for temporary purposes, and to execute the trusts created by the acts of the Virginia and Georgia legislatures, and the deeds of cession executed by them to the United States, and the trust created by the treaty of the 30th April, 1803, with the French Republic ceding Louisiana." So in other words, once a territory becomes a state, the Fed must surrender all claims to the land as if it were still just a possession or territory. https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/44/212/case.html
See why this is important?
I agree that this is an important issue. But I strongly agree with your legal analysis for the following two reasons:
Firstly, All political power is inherent in the people. Government is instituted for the protection, security and benefit of the people; and they have the right to alter or reform the same whenever the public good may require it. But the Paramount Allegiance of every citizen is due to the Federal Government in the exercise of all its Constitutional powers as the same have been or may be defined by the Supreme Court of the United States; and no power exists in the people of this or any other State of the Federal Union to dissolve their connection therewith or perform any act tending to impair, subvert, or resist the Supreme Authority of the government of the United States. The Constitution of the United States confers full power on the Federal Government to maintain and Perpetuate its existence, and whensoever any portion of the States, or people thereof attempt to secede from the Federal Union, or forcibly resist the Execution of its laws, the Federal Government may, by warrant of the Constitution, employ armed force in compelling obedience to its Authority.
- Article 1, Section 2 of Nevada Const.
Secondly, There is practically no basis for the Equal Footing Doctrine to which you refer. Bundy used this claim repeatedly, saying he will pay the grazing fees to the state/county, but not the United States. The Equal Footing Doctrine should be dubious to originalists. It is absent in the Constitution and during the Constitutional Convention, the Committee of Detail purposefully removed such proposed language from the Constitution.
As most ZeroHedgers are likely originalists, realize the Equal Footing Doctrine which you now espouse was created by “judicial activism” (Lessee of Pollard v. Hagan(1845). If you are using the Equal Footing Doctrine, you must recognize the authority of judicial review, because it isn’t in the Constitution. The irony of that of course is that you’d have to reject all the subsequent decisions made by the Court to continue arguing the Equal Footing Doctrine prohibits Congress from keeping land for the United States as a condition for statehood. Along with other previous cases, in Light v. United State (1911) the Court ruled that federal land in California was indeed owned by the United States much like an individual who owns a farm, and that they have the same rights to retain or sell the land as they please.
Indeed, embodied in the congressional act that admitted Nevada into the Union, and the Nevada Constitution itself is the proviso that Nevada makes no claims to the federal lands within its borders.
Fair enough. May we all not be subjected to a Kelo v New London style ruling.
In June 2005, the Supreme Court decided an important case involving the meaning of "public use" in the Fifth Amendment. In Kelo v City of New London, the Court, voting 5 to 4, upheld a city plan to condemn homes in a 90-acre blue-collar residential neighborhood. New London plans to give the land to a developer for $1, with a 99-year lease, to build a waterfront hotel, office space, and higher-end housing. Justice Stevens, writing for the Court, found this donation of property to a developer to be a "public use." Stevens said that the Court's jurisprudence gave government "broad latitude" to determine what uses might be "public." In a concurring opinion, Justice Kennedy indicated that the Court still stood willing to review on constitutional grounds takings that are arguably simply the city favoring one private owner over another, rather than takings based on a good faith analysis of the public interest. Angry property rights advocates reacted to the decision by suggesting that local governments consider condemning the homes of justices in the majority and turning them over to private developers for construction of B & Bs.
Shame on Nevada for capitulating the stewardship of its own lands to the Federal government. They may have reaped those fees compared to the black hole of federal fiscal mismanagement. Thank you for reaffirming my choice to sway away from the law, yet I'm still fascinated by it.
I must stress that I agree with the principle that, ceteris paribus, less is more when it comes to gov't. I also agree that a lot of the social welfare programs have damaged entire communities - including portions of the White community (which accounts for 69% of welfare recepients in America).
However, as this case unfolds, I am increasingly convinced that it might be a poor test case for the small-gov't camp.
As for Bundy hmself, even if he did not utter those words out of malice, he is more of a liability than a hero/messenger -- especially in this age of soundbites and PR.
I stated that elsewhere that he is in desperate need of a PR or lawyer rep. Good stuff Mammon.
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i just don't get why all the states with all this power over federal lands haven't united and sued for damages...
they must have crummy lawyers.
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i know, i posted that on pages 8 and 9 and etc....but with long a comment section, i thought i'd share again.
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Does this mean I can now visit Area 51 any time I want? Military bases? I can't wait.....
It's like one stop shopping! Come for the chart porn, stay for the doom porn!
Grab a tent. I know of a beautiful place to camp and look for turtles out West in Nevada! This land is your land...this land is our land.....
There are millions of acres of land with nothing but shrubs and trees. It is not unusual to see cattle and sheep grazing on the land in california because allowing them to graze is easier than trying to mow the fields down to prevent fires. Cattle and sheep are transported to these fields and allowed to graze for free for that very reason. You only need to drive to the coast from the central valley in California to see this. It is not big deal. Not worth dividing a fucking nation over that is certain. The politicians who are multimillionaires because of back room deals should disturb you but evidently YOU ARE OKAY WITH POLITICIANS WHO STEAL.
Assholes are already trying to REMOVE "BUNDY MILITA" from the Wikipedia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundy_militia
Personally I think "BUNDY MILTIA" will be a rally for a million men to UNITE and fight the FED's man to man, face to face.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundy_militia
Militias arenT what they used to be.
The Bundy Militia couldnT deliver a "shot heard round the World".
Well, only if they can mooch free food along the way from SNAP.......
And, if you've seen the firepower of the US military, you realize any armed resistance can easily be turned into a cloud of pink mist.
Smart thing to do is raise money and pay what govt says Bundy owes. Then govt has no more reason to go after him. They walk away or reveal the true reason they want that land.
Meanwhile Bundy can sue BLM for cattle loss and property destruction.
Then everyone can take this fight where it should be, Washington DC, where the laws affecting this situation originate from and the orders originate from.
Bunkerville isn't the place for this fight. It really needs to be in DC.
I only see one commenter here who apparently has listened to the unedited version of the controversial Bundy vid. As it turns out it was heavily edited to make him seem a racist. WATCH THIS and then tell me if he is a racist.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agXns-W60MI
Expect much from the Unicorn's don't we?
The Unicorn's were pussy's yesterday, today, and tomorrow.
Expect even less from the US public.
This is purty funny. How does bundys beef with the feds qualify him as an expert on the crisis in black culture?
I'm reasonably certain it doesnt, and therefore he should shut the fuck up about it whether he is right or wrong.
Men of eloquence like Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Paine (to name just two) are missing this time around.
Guys like Cliven Bundy are all we have. We'll just have to make do.
We could substitute Cliven Bundy with Sheriff Mack instead. He's the guy who said, "women and children should get shot first".
Unfortunately our Nation has degraded so far, that we cannot field anyone better than these two.
And then we have our Militia Neo-Minuteman on the bridge. This guy is so far outta line, it would be best to assume he is a GovT Plant. Or maybe he was supposed to shoot the women and children from behind. He might be a friend of Sheriff Mack.
Well, look at that. Here we are arguing amongst ourselves instead of focusing on the real adversary. Just what the syndicate feeds upon.
Bundy? Needs to get his welfare cows off of public land. In fact, get all cattle off our public land. Yeah, yeah..l don't care if it ruins their life style and raises the cost of beef. Get GE off off welfare too.
Stack the lead...break the FED. Whole different matter.
hey meathead, this isn't just about paying taxes. the question is, 'at what point do your taxes become so oppressive to your business that you say "no"?'
many don't know the BLM wanted him to pay grazing fees AND reduce his herd AND limit his grazing periods to an ass backwards seasonal schedule that would starve his heard to death AND basically put him out of business. like paying your broker to churn your account until the balance is zero.
now we have the propagana machine saying he is a racist for basically asking 'what's the difference' between slavery and being a food stamp receipient...which is actually quite an existential question. it reminds me of that line from Jack Nicholson in "The Departed" "When I was growing up, they would say you could become cops or criminals. But what I'm saying is this. When you're facing a loaded gun, what's the difference?"Quality of the audio here is like two cans connected by a string.
WHATDJASAY?!?
I guess, the best way to show Bundy the difference is to sell him and his family into slavery. He already knows one side - getting a free ride at someone else's expense - now, perhaps, it would be great if he sees the other.
The only unfortunate thing about the situation is that it is taking part now, and not 40 years ago. Should the stand-off happen back then with Bundy getting shot at the end, he wouldn't have the chance to pass on his genes. Now, the in-bred single IQ lineage continued and multiplied and we have what, 14 little imbecils with guns running around. A sad day for the country.
I was just gonna say FU, but I'll add that you are part of the problem in this country, one of the gullible urbanites who couldn't feed yourself fortwo days without the Cliven Bundys of the world.
Probably never occurred to you that the fees Bundy didn't pay were designed to run him off the land.
Bundy steals openly from the nation, not from the government. What he does is no different than illegal mininig or illegal water diversion - use of common natural resources for personal gain without contributing back to the community. For decades, he has been stealing from the country he doesn't want to recognize, yet, the country he is sucking blood from. Do not equate him to farmers - he is not the one. Others comply with the law to run their business. This imbecile merely steals raw materials from others for his personal gain.
Fuck you! "This imbecile merely steals raw materials from others for his personal gain." The cows are eating the grass. The grass is planted by who? The Federal Govenment? The BLM? It's planted by God or Nature, take your choice. Is this valuable commodity renewable? AS sure as the grass is green. Yep! Does it come back every year? Yep. So STFU. I went there. There's so much grass there, that you have to walk for an 1/8 mile, through solid grass, just to take a dip in the Virgin River. God, do I hate idiots. Go read your NY Times and don't forget your bib.
On top of dismissing the basic principal of the American society (property rights), Bundy is also an evident Paula Dean-styled KKK remnant. Anyone who equates social support to actual slavery is either a moron who doesn't understand either (most ZH readers), or, which is likely the case with Bundy, a former slaver whose assessors benefitted from the free labour of others. Hence his casual references to the benefits of slavery. Hence his motto “if it good for me, doesn’t matter where it comes from and how”.