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The West Prepares: These Are All NATO Aircraft Deployments In Response To The Ukraine Crisis
It's all the Russians' fault? This does not exactly look like de-escalation to us...
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Cruise missiles and drones launched from where? Nuked air bases? *facepalm*
If you are actually stupid enough to bet your life, and the life of your fellow Americans on that bullshit, then you are truly a dumb ass who will get exactly what he's praying for.
s400 old concept, they are constructing now the s500.
NATO and planes are one thing.
But what about our State Department hashtags?
SS-24?
thats enough firepower to wipe out the entire russian airforce i assure you they are no match for western fighters.
62 NATO fighters
4 AWACS
1 kc-135
vs
Russian Air Superiority Fighters
225 Su-27 (comparable to the F-16)
25 Su-30
34 Su-35S
254 MiG 29
134 MiG 31
672 aircraft in inventory
50% estimate available to theatre
336 aircraft
60% available to sortie (not all planes are available each day)
201 available aircraft
201 vs 62
hmmm.
Russia has some very long range AA missiles. The strategy is to take out the AWACs and leave the balance of the fighters flying blind. You don't need that much air time to point a missile and let it rip.
Russian air strategy is to salvo missiles using a mix of seeker heads. The theory is that any attempt to avoid one type of seeker head will leave the defending aircraft exposed to the second or third or fourth missile in the same salvo.
Granted there may be additional NATO aircraft available but if they are required then this conflict will heat up very quickly and each side will be left flinging stones at the other.
Plus all those NATO birds require gas. Guess where that comes from?
As for qualitiative superiority that is something very difficult to judge.
On one side you have folks defending the motherland.
On the other you have folks defending the reputation of the fudgepacker.
Not bad, sushi.
FYI jet fuel is closest to kerosene as a middle distillate of crude. Not all crude is as richly endowed with jet fuel as some other crude.
Russia's crude has plenty of it. Eagleford shale, not particularly.
Now the rebuttal will be EF shale "oil" is indeed as loaded with kerosene as Russian oil, but that's a dodge because EF shale is crude plus condensate and substantially condensate, so only after they separate out the weak stuff they can claim their residual good stuff has lots of kerosene. Bogus.
interesting, since Valero just pumped three quarter of a billion dollars into refinery upgrades to process the light crude coming out of Eagle Ford, specifically for diesel and kerosene production... go on, ask me how I know... oh wait, I'm not supposed to be an expert on that
as for kerosene itself, people have been extracting kerosene from shale oil since the 9th century... here's a hint, there's a reason another name for it is 'coal oil'
I think you have this part right and part wrong.
The recent Port Arthur refinery upgrade was done for diesel/kerosene, but the feed source for its crude is Canada.
The 750 million upgrade project for EagleFord is to process the near condensate quality EF "oil" . It is very light on diesel/kerosene and that's not the focus of the upgrade. They simply need a refinery that can deal with oil they don't see much of, ultra light, nearly condensate.
So you're half right, that big investment is to process EF "oil", because it's nearly not oil (high API). But the focus is not middle distillates.
sorry, but your information is incorrect
http://www.ogj.com/articles/2014/02/eagle-ford-crude-prompts-upgrades-at...
again, news articles aside, I've posted my background before so I stand by my information
edit: for the record... you can distill kerosone from just about any feedstock imaginable... they've been doing it for centuries, as I mentioned previously
second edit: the better word is "derive"... lots of focus on fractional distillation but everyone forgets about the other chemical processes that are used in modern refineries... to get kerosenes you're working with a mix of alkanes (10 to 18 carbons in the chain) and aromatics... these can be derived from straight distillation or via chemical processing (cracking / unification / alteration)...
executive summary... you can't assume a nation like the US with the largest and most modern refinery capacity by far can be left in the lurch when it comes to processing needed fuels for the military... you give these guys crude stocks and they'll get you the resulting product you need, guaranteed
"225 Su-27 (comparable to the F-16)" are you kidding???
))) "comparable" in wich aspect??? )))) Range? speed? weapons?
And yeh I dont know where you got the numbers, but all of them are wrong. ;-)
The latest F-18 would probably be a closer comparison, with the SU-27/30 having an edge. That is if their pilots can utilize the superior platform (training). Where the Russians really hold the advantage is their SAM tech. While the US has spent trillions on F-22s and F-35s, and various other cancelled "superweapons", the Russians have spent their money on missile systems to defeat "superweapons".
"latest F-18 " is no match for Su-27M3, Su-35S or Su-30M2 in ANY aspect.
Russians keep an edge in every aspect of airwar. Radars, missiles, airframes and all of it together... and yeh SAMs too.
then why they not catch squirrel and moose?
both done... ended their lives without any explanations. ;-)
Both the Russians and the Chinese paid close attention to American air strategy in Iraq and both have spent the past decade devising counter measures.
The USAF has not gone up against a serious air adversary since Viet Nam.
Yes they did, but to put it all together, it's interesting point to start with basics... there are only two schools of piloting in the world french and russian. As an axample: Airwar by germans during WWII was conducted compleetly differently from russians, russians won. US adopted german lecals (french school) enreached by it's own expiriences... russians staying with their own. Advanced capabilities of airframes and airborn weapon platforms at this point are clearly on russian side.
Well first we have to figure out which version of the F-16 we are discussing.
Then we have to define the nature of the combat and the tactics to be employed.
As for numbers, I don't think anyone has anything beyond conjecture at this point.
We will have to wait for someone to write the history in order to obtain the right numbers.
I doubt many of us will be around to read that history.
"which version of the F-16 we are discussing" - any one of them.
F-16 is very old light fighter-bomber, not used or even considered for air to air missions for some time now, Su-27 (Su-35, Su-30)and it's variants is heavy air-dominance fighter with large radar, large payload, unmatched air to air and dog fighting capabilities, from short range weapons guided by pilot's eye to long range, radar assisted, intercept documented by Guinness book of records, target destroyed at range of 280 km.(o was it Mig-31?)
What you are saying is that NATO has moved 62 targets within range of roughly 3 times as many RF air superiority fighters.
This is not a defensive deployment.
It's an invitation.
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As for range, the Novator K-100 is a dedicated AWACs killer with a reported 300 to 400 km effective range.
My bet is that that is an understated range figure as no one wants to put the real numbers up too early.
Time to stock up on popcorn.
"NATO has moved 62 targets within range" - there is no need...) to move any one of airforce assets that could be requested for such mission are right there...) Note that none of them need KC-135-s or permanent fixture of all western superplains fuelpods...))))
And Yeah, Su-27 family carries 8-12 air to air weapons of different range so 15 Su-27M3 that are now based in Belorus is plenty for all NATO birds...;-) Air base at Khotilovo with it's Mig-31BM, Monchegorsk airbase, Ostrov airbase e.t.c. will assist if needed.
"Novator K-100' - I was talking about R-37 or K-37... weapon of Su-27,35 and Mig-31 family.
"Time to stock up on popcorn.' nah... nothing will happened
I hope you are correct.
The odds may be against us -
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/29/nuclear-accident-near-misses-report
Don't worry nothing will happen in at least 4 years... after we'll see.
Old as shit american ICBMs and their Tridents are big worry though.
They don't have to worry about gas because Poland is self sufficient. They have Coal fired everything. So, all they have to do is convert the Jets to Coal burning and presto!!
The second seat is for a boilerman ?
you are right, the rest are standing...;-)
Coal?
I thought they had air chariots?
yeah that's funny...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_fuel
Those are interesting numbers. Care to quantify hours of training, flight, and combat for the air and ground crews? Quality of maintenance of hardware? Available munitions? Spare parts? There are other things but that's just to illustrate that there is a whole lot of factors that go into all of this.
I like the everybody has a plan until they get punch in the nose quote.
@ I like the everybody has a plan until they get punch in the nose quote.
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Yep - just like when the Indian Air Force beat the USAF in war games. Remember Cope India 2005?
Let me explain one simple little thing. It doesn't fucking matter who has the best planes, the best pilots, the best missiles or any of this other self mastubatory bullshit.
What matters is the Constitution of the United States of America which states quite clearly that the Congress must vote on a declaration of war.
OBEY THE GODDAM CONSTITUTION MOTHERFUCKERS OR WE WILL STRING YOUR FUCKING ASSES UP BY THE NECK UNTIL YOU ARE DEAD. PERIOD.
Bring the troops home. Now. Balance the budget. Make every man responsible for himself. Let charity be the choice of the giver not a burden at the point of a gun.
Fuck this goddam country and what it's turned into. I support anyone and anything that can help kill the beast and the traitors that have subverted it. Those traitors that continue to willingly breathe life into its veins will pay. So help me God.
given one up-vote because you are right. would have given two if you grew veggies too
Bold statement... Care to explain?
"Russian pilots get 1/10th flight time ours do.'- that's just B.S. from 90-s
Yeah, that looks weak.
Why would flight time be limited? It's not like they don't have fuel.
[And presto, yet another reason oil is everything.]
There is no need to guess, it's open information... It's just same story as always... People who know dick, tell everyone how it is. ;-)
Perhaps Denninger is talking about simulator time. Clearly the Russians are far behind the US in flight simulators since Russia doesn't have any talented computer programmers... errr... whoops!
You're a blowtard. Shut up. You don't know your ass from a hole in the side of your head.
There's a reason Russia isn't doing dick even when they have all this "superiority". It's because they don't have"superiority" in any theatre - air, land or water. The US does all the blustering the Russians need, because they need a plausible enemy. No one buys Russian hardware unless they are in the WalMart of arms deals.
The Russian "air force" is the equivalent of the Chinese "navy". Very pretty.
BG,-- Windbag Tribe. Huh.
Hey...look list of Air Aces of Vietnam War
Also Aircraft Losses of Vietnam War
Wait a second .. this persona ctually thinks that US arms sales are base don the quality of the product and not on financial imperialism, nepotism, how many prostitutes they can field to suck the cocks of foreign government officials?
arm chair warrior wanna bee ??
F/A 18 RAG pilots at Fallon cannot get enough flight time today to carrier qual, how is that for up to date information. Soviets always were a match for the US the aircraft are more durable, ours break easily. They do a lot more with less. Idiots with no actual flight time or combat experience.
Look list of Air Aces of Vietnam War....
And Aircraft losses of Vietnam War..
How many was it McCain's career total? He did not quite make Ace...
but nearly sunk an aircraft carrier....
I hate the guy but he didn't have anything to do with it. He was in the plane that got hit. Absolutely not his fault
thats enough firepower to wipe out the entire russian airforce i assure you they are no match for western fighters.
eyes agree general doldinger
der russians have cardboard airplanes they cannot fight in the rain because the wings starts bending.
seal team 6 cud take moscow in a week tops.
those russkies love mcdonalds they will welcome us with flowers,
those old ladies are sick of eatin organic cabbages day want monsanto godamit now.
lets roll
i would come wid yer dolldingler but i got flat feet and i will hold you guys up
It will not stand, wilson. The u.s. and eu in a quick decisive victory against russia over a bloody gas bill and guys with crowbars throwin rocks? A bogus pretext like that will backfire on the victors big time. It cant be justified just yet.
You consistently make my day.
I love you man!
Stay Golden.
Yeah, this war will be like dog fighting with the red baron in a bi-plane.
The Russian sunburn cruise missile travels at mach 3 at altitude and 2.2 at low altitude. All those planes and ships are just sitting there waiting to be liquidated. WWIII is a great opportunity to clear the shelves of conventional munitions.
You guys who think the US can just waltz in and beat Russias ass are funny. Just remember Afghanistan. Those were dudes with outdated rifles hiding in caves. It was no walk in the park even with "the most technoligcally advanced military" in the world.
Russia has an actual military and real weapons systems. You should pray we don't go to war with Russia.
Ask the Afghans who fought both they respect as soldiers and who they despise....
Can you get one on the phone? I sure as hell don't want to go over there and interview an English speaking sand person.
My cousin was in the United States Army for 23 years. Started as a private, ended as a Major. Infantry, Intelligence, Special Forces along the way. Did 2 deployments to Afganistan.
He QUIT after returning home. Was totally disillusioned and pissed off.
He told me that most Afghans were basically blind as a result of Vitamin A deficiency during childhoold. They couldn't see and couldn't be taught to shoot a rifle. They also had trouble learning to use a toilet.
He told me that when you saw a Taliban with a Lee Enfield then you needed to watch the fuck out because that guy could actually see.
He came home weighing 140 pounds. Had to carry 70 pounds of armor and gear in the mountains. Watched Afghan parents feed their babies opium balls during the winter to quell their hunger pangs, resulting in babies that were addicts from the cradle.
I have another cousin that joined the Marines. Went to Afghanistan. Was forced to drive down the road in a HumVee. Came home missing most of his lower body. He requires care for life and will never live independently.
Yeah Team America. Let's go kick some more ass. It's fun. We have better stuff.
Yeah, but most of our flight time is used up fighting people who can't fight back.
Ohhh Karl, you think Vlad isn't ten steps ahead of these EU/US fools and their reactionary bullshit???
You ever been on a battlefield Karl?? You know how many aircraft and flight missions it takes to " prep" the battlefield when trying to defeat antiquated, 1980's style dictators in the Middle East?
Now ask yourself, how much air power would be needed to defeat and prep the battlefield of a modernized military power, with historical military creditionals?
Jesus Christ Karl, leave the basement of your families house and smell the gun powder! Vlad isn't ever going to fire a nuke, because he knows it's his death and the death of his children and grandchildren, and he also knows, strategically he can win the world over conventionally standing up to the West. It's not about today or how many Russians die defending their interest, it's about toppling an Empire that is on the brink of collapse, it just needs a big push!!
I see two likely outcomes of a shooting war with Russia:
1) Nuclear.
2) No nukes, but US financial and societial collapse.
I seem to remember another couple of generals making similar assumptions, --they were wrong, very wrong.
And please, the allies are not in it with their hearts. They shouldn't be there at all. If the going gets tough, Russia will fight for it's life, the allies will be useless by and large.
The mere thought of this is madness.
I have seen Russian planes do things I have seen no American plane do. But I am no expert on that, just very sceptical.
But won't the new Berlin Wall just look bitchin' on the Spanish coastline?
Team America World Police and Chuck Norris can take all Russia in a week
let us hope they don't have any boxcutters.
Look at Air Losses of Vietnam War..
Also list of Aces of that conflict....
"thats enough firepower to wipe out the entire russian airforce i assure you they are no match for western fighters."
WWIII may start with fighters but will end with ICBMs.
Then roaches will inherit the earth.
Head on back to your worthless little "Market Ticker" blog and spew your nonsense there.
68 fighter aircraft can wipe out the entire Russian airforce? Really???
Yes and we all know that Russia will limit its response to an air vs air fight. They couldnt possibly respond in an unexpected way.
If the quality of American cars is the benchmark --- then.....
@KarlGDenninger
Are you saying it were no big deal to go to war with a nuclear power? Actually I don't know anybody who likes to get his sleeve into a circular saw. But that is what war is like.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUEINQCKLHc
"Enough firepower"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuP6KbIsNK4
Right.
If you're not Karl Denninger then change your name.
DavidC
idiot.
The Anglo-American Axis Provokes Russian Fury
"Consequences to be catastrpohiic in one way or another for the West."
You're barking up the wrong tree here. There is an understanding here that war is a scam, which it is, and that war is caused by the equivalent of child moesters, which it is. But somehow or other all those thumbs you've received have warped that to mean that our milt and our tech is somehow inferior to Russia's, which it isnt. You're arguing milt strength and they're arguing war is a racket. let it go.
It's always good to avoid war and mass death. Especially with nuclear armed nutbags like Putin. Fuck the Ukraine and Russia. Let them kill each other.
@Deathrips: "Those are weather tracking planes".
Perhaps they are looking for imminent periods of heavy 'precipitation'. Which makes them whether planes.
EuroAmerican Oligarchy-out of minds -out of ideas-now they think they want a war.
Got to wonder if this was Putin's Plan, to bring NATO forces right on his doorstep? Why?
He knows they won't ring the doorbell, so he doesn't care.
I like how this article is titled "Mayor of second city Gennady Kernes fights for life after murder attempt is blamed on Kremlin."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-crisis-mayor-of-s...
It then proceeds to offer no evidence of Kremlin involvement, and it even fucks up by using a picture of the mayor wearing the Ribbon of St. George that all the pro-Russian separatists wear.
What asshats.
That UK newspaper is called The Independent, meaning its a government propaganda sheet.
Who owns "The Independent" newspaper:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Independent
Go figure...;O)
A Russian oligarch who is not a friend of Putin's.
or Russia either apparently,
Also in November 2012, Lebedev announced that he is selling off his assets in Russia.
Reading the whole background the Mayor victim was vascillating between both sides for the last few months. So the Ribbon picture was when he supported Russia. I guess he pissed off both sides and so was seen as not 'controllable', so was too independent for TPTB...so either side could have done this. The scrambled politics in East Ukraine are nearly complete for the final Omlette and buffet.
the opposite actually
If Ukraine become a EU member state, it would likely join NATO... after 10 years we wouldn't be talking about 62 western fighters, we'd likely have hundreds, plus tanks right on Russia's border
Dance NATO dance!!
I am definitely selling VIX on this encouraging news. Thx ZH (and Mr. Yellen).
What are they going to do, shoot at something Russian? NATO has not the balls.
It's clearly Russia's fault since they decided to place their country near all of our military bases.
socalbeach... yeah, and it's Russia's fault that their country is sitting on W Europe gas/oil.
Agree, since before WWI Russia has been trying to get it out of the ground and across to Europe (via Turkey or any other means). It is free and cheap (and subsidised by Russia) until it isn't. Everybody who's been getting good/cheap stuff riots for freebees when they go away.
The Russians (and Western funding) fully worked their fields and built-out the Russian (and Ukraine) infrastructure, which Germany and EU benefit from directly.
This is all end-game...just getting ready for the credits. And then the China movie starts.
.....and became the biggest supplier of energy to europe by europe's own stoopidity, and this all plays into the american oligarch-military complex hands ....finally after many failed attempts a Woar will go hot and they can reset the debt clock
Jim (CIA/MIC/NSA insider) Rickards is telegraphing a reset in the very near future.....a SDR reset......get ready for some serious inflation
This whole fake crisis is way to scripted for my taste...Get ready for Russia/China to have bigger chairs at the IMF dinner table..
and lots of advice on how to "shelter in place"
Don't forget the shelter in place scissors. Remember the scissors!
What about us poor people with only one scissor?
"Shelter in place" is the kinder, gentler version of "shit in pants". Screw all of that- I'm on the run when it goes down!
Shelter in place is the strategy of the fat people who live in cities.
When water stops flowing into their house or apartment because the water company guys fled, shelter in place will become "where is the government".
Then they will die and feed flies.
You conspiracy wackos just don't get it.
There is no victory. For anyone.
Oil scarcity is an equal opportunity killer. The joos aren't going to survive. The blacks aren't. The whites aren't.
There is no requirement that there be a victor.
Those planes won't fly well without fuel. And Russia won't be allowed to just refuse to export oil and instead "hold it for future generation Russians".
When you have no fuel for conventional forces, you use non conventional forces. That is, ICBMs.
Yes, CIO, No clue why the downarrows. If you have 7 billion people, and 30 years of oil supply, and then cut the population to 700 million, you suddenly have 300 years of oil supply. And probably more than that, since most of those 700 million will be killing themselves for food, instead of driving to work and to the mall.
It's an uncomfortable topic.
But the problem with turning 30 years into 300 years this way is that there will be fallout, which doesn't give a shit if you are an oligarch or a bum, not all bunkers are good enough, and somebody has to get the oil out of the ground. I suspect that the Bakken would become an irritated fallout zone, or at least significant parts of it would. There are a lot of missile silos (i.e. targets) just to the west of it. And a lot of the equipment that you need to get the oil is made by people who would likely die in facilities that would likely fall into ruin if not near one of the many ground zeros.
"an irritated fallout zone"
+1 for the funny.
Does a tree make a sound when it falls in the forest if there's no one there to hear it.
Does an irradiated fallout zone cause irritation if there's no one there to be irritated.
If you have 7 billion people, and 30 years of oil supply, and then cut the population to 700 million, you suddenly have 300 years of oil supply. And probably more than that, since most of those 700 million will be killing themselves for food, instead of driving to work and to the mall.
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Another 'american' hero. With 'americans', it never misses. It is always as surprising as ever when 'americans' apply their idea of equality.
'Americans' can go long to explain how people are not equal, especially when they are.
Then, suddenly, when they are not equal, 'americans' tell you they are equal.
At this stage, in the world, there are something like 3 billions people that are out of the use of oil.
They consume nil. But guess what? As an oil consumer, they are equal to 'americans' though because people for certain things must be equal.
3 billions, that is roughly half of humanity. So let kill them and from 30 supply, you suddenly jump to 60 years of supply.
Aint life good in an 'american' world? Overcoming the environment and stuff? Multiply zero by something and you get more than that something.
'Americans' are the ones making the bulk of consumption.
There is roughly one billion 'americans' around the world. If by any chance, the 700 billions remaining are 'americans', the oil supply expectancy is not increased.
By the way, by eliminating 'americans', the other six billions will see the oil supply expectancy jump to the roof.
If 'americans' are that humanity lovers they enjoy depicting themselves as, they know what options they are left with. For the sake of humanity.
No part of my dehydrated food stores looks like victory to me. I try to avoid looking at them to be quite honest.
You have no new proven conspiracies... within the last ten seconds.
I blame military intelligence, NATO is trying to surround Prussia.
I worry about Austria-Hungary.
sure hope the Franz Ferdinands aren't touring there.....
But the Canadians are way to the west of there... The real enemy is Canada people.
They may be the enemy but hey, at least they aren't French, which is nice.
It's all fun-n-games until somebody gets hurt.
This will probably be a new-fangled 21st century "economic war". Only financiers and political theories will be seriously impacted. Here near the end of the most massive debt supercycle in history. Probably 1% the casualties of a 20th century style actual war war. After this Ukraine-Russia spat is over then everyone who survives stays put, and the 300 NATO go home. It is a dismal war since all are on the same side of the war, before and after. Like tofu, bland yet firm, soy and meatless.
But over in Asia might get hot if there is real aggression, and defense.
The rationale is simple: what we do is defensive, what you do is aggressive.
Ohhhh..... What a doomed clusterfuck.... Slingshot ready Sir.
If this were to get hot I wonder if all those pilots realize they will likely never see home again.
All military personnel in every military know that they are expendable. If they believe they have a civilian job then they are a theif of all that they are provided with by their country.
Sounds hard but thats the way it is.
There's a difference between fighting and dying for your country and fighting for the evil interests of the USSA / NATO regimes. I sincerely hope these pilots surrender or go home if things get hot.
it's strange that with all the military personal in the world, if a Woar was to go hot somebody is fighting for the wrong side. Being the winner doesn't make a military right, just or defender of liberty. How do people fight knowing full well they fight for evil, greed and the benefit of Oligarchs and death profiteers?
war doesn't determine who's right, war determines who's left.
(can't remember who to attribute this to)
No they don't. They think they joined the military for free college or a pension. Advertising works! The government nipple is the place to latch.
Yup. Until they're lying in the mud, crying for their mothers.
Hey, what ever happened to that ' most-hated-man-in-the world ' Sterling dude ?
Ugh, hahahaha, please don't.....I'm soooo tired of hearing about that.
What if everyones worst 10 minutes of private conversation where released to the world. Oh wait, we already have the NSA for that.
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Sterling was fined 2.5m today.
He is also barred from further ownership of his team. The Clippers are for sale.
Sterling is banned from showing up @ games, award ceremonies, anything and everything to do W/the NBA.
What is this NBA thing you speak of ?
DD, -- it is a place where white men can worship negros.
Pay me what those apes make and you can call me nigger all day long.
Twice on Sundays.
Which is why the players are all pissed off as hell - just not pissed off enough to quit.
Communism is pretty harsh, isn't it?
You think he cares? He'll must buy a baseball team.
It's like NATO could see the future and shit....they were like premonitionising. Fucking clairvoyant they are! So glad we have the military savvy to see months into the future! It's like they were preparing for war before.....OH WAIT!
Edit: do I really need a sarc tag or has my hater logged on?
Woe is us, for the American Empire will not go down without a fight. All it takes is one small miscalculation, and you have an all out war. Prescient how we stand 100 years from 1914. While history does not literally repeat itself, it certainly rhymes. So far, when you have resurgent or rising revisionist powers that threaten the pie of the established block of gangsters, you're going to get large conflagrations. Over the last 300-400 years, during the beginning of each century, there has been a large conflagration. Perhaps we are doomed to a Nietzschean eternal recurrence after all.
All it takes is one small miscalculation
Gotta remember John McCain.
The only pilot who came close to sinking a US attack carrier.
sushi, -- so you do know history.
Played golf yesterday with a (somewhat) liberalized pal who said the "NY Times is reporting that the US is going after Putin's money..." Blah, blah, blah.
I pointed out that the stories are all innuendo and fabrication, nothing proven and that if he gets his news from the NY Times, his views are going to be warped.
His response was that he was more well-read than anyone he knows and most of the people he knows are scholars.
I decided to talk about golf instead of world politics. We had a few (many) drinks on the course and a generally nice round.
I am still amazed that intelligent people - this guy is at least 130 IQ - don't understand the US propaganda machine and are completely bamboozled by it. His comment on scholarly friends really made me change the subject as I would normally say something along the lines of "most scholars are idiots."
Cognitive dissonance. Normalcy bias. Go figure.
So....a guy goes into the clubhouse and there is a robot bartender. The robot says, "What will you have?" The guy says "Martini." The robot brings back the best martini ever and says to the man, "What's your IQ?" The guy says, "168." The robot then proceeds to talk about physics, space exploration and medical technology.
The guy leaves, but he is curious, so he goes back into the bar. The robot bartender says, "What will you have?" The guy says, "Martini". Again, the robot makes a great martini, gives it to the man and says, "What's your IQ?" The guy says, "100." The robot then starts to talk about Nascar, Budweiser and John Deere tractors.
The guy leaves, but finds it very interesting, so he thinks he will try it one more time. He goes back into the bar. The robot says, "What will you have?" The guy says, "Martini", and the robot brings him another great martini. The robot then says, "What's your IQ?" The guy says, "Uh, about 50." The robot leans in real close and says, "So... you people still happy you voted for Obama?"
"So... you people still happy you voted?" FIFY
Intellectualism 101:
Call everybody you disagree with a racist.
I do that to my boss. Very glad he has a sense of humor.
Intellectualism #1:
Call everybody questioning your disproportional dominance in all important sectors of life as Antisemitic bigot!
+1 for most scholars are idiots.
Most of the people I know are orthodox liberal professionals. That's how it is: lock stock and barrel. I do my part by disturbing them with comments over the years like: I'm voting for the only peace candidate, Ron Paul.
You are an ignorant.
The word liberal, in the European sense, means low government, free market, pro-capitalism, pro-competition.
It's what liberalism means to europeans, who invented the concept.
How the fuck the concept of liberalism got to mean socialism, pro-gay, uber-state-government in the US is beyond me.
But I'm not surprised. You americanians, put minced meat between two bread buns and lots and lots ot vinegar tomato sauce, and call it tasty food. Anything goes in the US.
Anyone for some European Escargot and caviar anyone? Never mind what about half of your 800 cheeses smell like. Its still fish eggs and facking snails and taste exactly like they sound. Pass the BBQ sauce.
Hint mate. In Texas and Oklahoma our pit barbie don't need sauce.
Oak, apple, mesquite, hickory or something else?
Dry rub.
That does go along with no sauce. But I was refering to what kind of smoke Texans put on their meat.
Vinegar and sugar dumbass.
You see something there. It is called a disinformation campaign. Certain parties wished to take over the US but could never do so if they presented themselves honestly. Over time they have perverted our language to the point where to be a liberal is to be a totalitarian.
To think we were once a liberal republic... Now we are well on the way to becoming a totalitarian state but we will be called democratic, liberal, progressive, and certainly republic just for the dirty sanchez effect.
If we had left you guys in smoking ruins, we wouldn't be playing the bottom with Putin today. Oh well, I guess you LEUsers build good bomb shelters.
You know what they say FNE, it doesn't matter how many books you have read if you are reading the wrong ones. Better to know nothing thant to believe the wrong thing.
They'll be home by Christmas.
Christmas is canceled
...but Black Friday has been extended to two weeks.
Which one ?
Puttie, it's working. No one is paying attention to my fuck ups in Libya.
Thanks
Your fellow comrade