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On The Edge Of War: The Latest Russian And Ukraine Troop Movements
If Putin needed a pretext to finally drive across the Ukraine border, he got it today following first the death of nearly 40 pro-Russian protesters in Odessa during a confrontation between pro-Russia and pro-Kiev forces, and then, what appears to be a storming in progress right now by the Ukraine national guard of yet another separatist-controlled city in east Ukraine: Kramatorsk.
According to RT, Ukraine’s National Guard is storming the eastern town of Kramatorsk even as it has also resumed its special operation in Slavyansk, where two soldiers have been killed.
“The assault is starting now,” a Kramatorsk self-defense activist has told RIA Novosti by phone. Another activist told the news agency that the National Guard opened fire on self-defense forces.
Dozens have been killed or injured in Kramatorsk, a doctor told RIA Novosti. The medic added that the fighting has now stopped and all of those injured have been taken to hospitals in Kramatorsk and Slavyansk. At least two died on the way to the hospital, she said.
Meanwhile, the Ukrainian military’s special operation has resumed in the nearby town of Slavyansk. The headquarters of the people’s self-defense is under snipers’ fire, according to Itar-Tass. There are reports of injuries among protesters.
Recall that Putin has made it very clear that all the Kremlin needs to green light an operation in Ukraine is a pretext of "self-defense" for the pro-Russian citizens currently there being attacked by the local military, something which if the tables were turned, would have been classified as a civil war by the impartial western media.
So what does the theater of operations look like should Russia finally get involved?
The Washington Post is publishing a new map that shows, using information from the Royal United Services Institute, recent troop movements in the region. The graphic illustrates how military exercises conducted by Russia have left a big build-up of troops on Ukraine's border. It also shows Ukraine's own military moves to its borders with Russia and Moldova's Russian-dominated enclave, Transnistria.
It may be a long weekend.
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Well, with Joseph Goebbels as your source... how could anyone possibly argue with your contention.
However, I give you this..... from a Jew....
i donte believe bbc goebbels
i donte believe in ziocon historians
i donte believe in hitler
i donte believe rothschild churchill
all difficult to comment on
but past histories are fucking lies
and you come and talk to me of woody allen you cunt a man that rapes kids.
a man that sodomised children in ritual.
bringing woody allen to the table what a twat.
rothschilds been using the same play book for hundreds of years thats what i am saying tool
To quote Bugs Bunny: "What a Tah-Rah-Rah -Goondiah."
"Fuck off and die, Nazi filth." -- Andy Lewis
Putin is not invading. He knows it would be a wrong move. It would give a pretext for USSA to finally bring democracy and freedom to Syria. He knows, everybody who thinks knowz, that W.Ukraine is fucked and done. Just wait and it will fall to pieces and places it belongs. Or maybe not. No one really knows.
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I've never been one for the punch-up.
But look, I really hate those nazis (nazis)
A certain something starts to wind me up;
I feel I hate it all so violently
When two swords slashing at each other
Only sharpen one another
And in the long run even he's your brother
Said even though that cunt's a nazi (nazi)
Always attack those things in someone else,
Reflections that you can't face in yourself,
To kill fascists because you see his gun
It makes you turn into a bigger one
Because...
Two swords slashing at each other
Only sharpen one another
And in the long run even he's your brother
Said even though that cunt's a nazi (nazi)
Are you fighting the Front,
or just fronting a fight
Sometimes it's hard to see your left from your right
Are we in anger, are we looking for peace
Or just tryin' to win the war...
...by killing all the enemy off
Just to kill the enemy off
Just to kill the enemy off
Just to kill the enemy off
English Beat
But the May long weekend, (Victoria Day) isn't until the 19th.
May fucking day.
let's hope the planetary "nuclear winter" isn't far behind. cleanse time.
More white people killing each other. This is exactly like the Reptoid Zionist Central Banking Shapeshifters want. A few more million of us gone will accelerate the decline
Can someone explain why Jews (zionists) supposedly hate white people?
They're not buying enough bagels?
And the audience should not forget: that's Multiculturalism.
And that happens between culturally and ethnically very similar nations. And also all the other artificial multicultural states like the USSR, Cechoslovakia or Yugoslavia are gone.
Now imagine how "cool" things will become in northern America and in Europe, if one day the refrigerators would stay empty...
Yeah this looks ugly. BTW, did LiveLeakers invade ZH?
Risk. I want Kamchatka, dammit.
jammin' in the name of the lord
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yo I wana see smokin' hot bodies
Once seen may not be unseen
h/t Zohar Lazar
"Impartial western media"?
That's a joke, right?
Even the Israelis have used the justification of "you can't keep standing armies on standby forever".It is expensive and bad for morale.Putin can move forward or he will have to watch his back,politically.Once his troops smash the Ukes it will be obvious why everyone has been wearing ski-masks.Someone should open up a cold-beer kiosk at the Kiev airport for all the thirsty Blackwater merc's jogging for their planes.If however Vlad drops an airborne division as a blocking force on the roads leading out Kiev,westbound,things could get interesting.
Five bucks they take out a western AWACS and say it was an accident.
I hope we are all here Monday,but I am not so sure.They go Defcon 1,then we go Defcon 1,etc.
Also,wouldn't surprise me if some satellites start getting whacked.....
"wouldn't surprise me if some satellites start getting whacked..... "
X-37B? That sucker is doing something up there and I bet it has to do with messing with satellites.
Only the US neocons care about starting a war over the Ukraine. No one else does.
There was a lot less provocation in Crimea. If Russia doesn't go into Eastern Ukraine by the end of this weekend they never will ...
You wouldn't really know it from observing US comrades....business as usual
War is Peace. etc. etc.
NATO just needs to parachute baskets of vodka and cheese into Russian camps.
The Russian army will be hammered in a few hours and not able to do much except vomit on the enemy.
useless talkings
I am just going to give an opinion on this one, that's all it is is an opinion based on what facts I can get. I believe today is the official opening of the Ukrainian civil war. There has already been conflict, but a certain level of conflict that is too deep to be stepped back from easily has to be reached for a real civil war to be underway. I think today that level was reached. Odessa is not going to be forgotten and it sends a clear message that the Right Sector is going to begin to kill at an advanced level. Also, the Russian Ukrainian side showed it too is not going to stand by as Kiev's coup army moves east. Downing the helicopters was a message to Kiev that your going to be resisted at a new level. You almost have to conclude that we are now in open civil war. If Kiev continues massacres of their opponents, then Right Sector's supporters are likely to be targets who can expect the same treatment. I think East Ukraine will need 24 hours to digest the news and pictures from Odessa before they conclude that they are now marked for death. That ups the game.
Now we have reached the condition that the USA set as it's goal when it stage managed and funded the Right Sector Coup in Kiev. Push it to Civil War and get Russia to step in, this allows the USA to seperate Russia from the EU entity and prevent their former economic growth and cooperation and social contacts and mutual cooperation. This was too big of a threat to America's design on total domination. The EU Russia connection needed a wedge issue, Ukraine was taken down using paid nazis because these West Ukrainian Nazis were the only ones willing to work for the CIA for 40-50 Euros a day.
Odessa is probably the start of all out civil war.
Tragically, and in all probability, spot on.
Like I have been saying from the start of this conflict, Odessa is important. I suspect Kiev could even accept losing East and Southeast Ukraine when the push comes to shove, but it is a different story with Odessa.
Agreed. Losing Odessa leaves Ukraine, landlocked.
Thoughts on your thesis:
1) Not sure about the helicopters being downed. Given that two days ago the Ukrainian;s blew up one of their own helicopters while attempting to arm it (and then blamed that on a Russian RPG) I suspect the helicopter crashes were due to pilot incompetence, bad maintenace or both.
2) If the helos were brough down by manpads or RPGs , both of which are fairly sophisticated weapons, how come the rest of the democratic resistance is armed with little more than flags and baseball bats? If resistance has access to RPGs I would expect they would also have access to significant amounts fo small arms. But this does not appear to be the case in any of the videos or reports from the scene.
3) I cannot see Putin delivering small arms (or any other arms) to the resistance. A man with a rifle and no training is simply a waste of a good rifle. Plus there is the problem of flooding an area with weapons and then having those same weapons turned against you. If you need to use force of arms then better they be arms in the hands of your own trusted troops.
4) The west appears deliberately intent on provoking Putin. Putin appears equally intent on demonstrating restraint and statecraft and seeking to avoid further bloodshed and escalation. To date it has been the junta who has disregarded the Geneva Accords while Kerry et al hurtle blame at Putin.
5) If Putin does intervene militarily then I bet we see illicit supplies of western arms to the Banderistas. The west provided arms and support to this same group in the yeara immediately following WWII and I think it likely thed do so again. The west will attemp to do in Ukraine what they did in Afghanistan following Russian intervention in that state.
6) Putin may have strong domestic support but I think he is smart enough to realize that if he lacks tacit support from the non-aligned nations and the other members of the BRICS then Russia ends up loosing resource markets, becoming isolates and being saddled with providing all the financial goodies expected by the resistance. If I thought I could double my salary and pension by occupying the local post office I would likely be in there like flynn. Putin likely knows this and is looking at the hit on his budget at the same time resource revenues are likely to contract and war spending increases coupled with capital flight or the loss of tech savy western partners and MNCs.
For 2), there is some recent video of Ukrainian troops defecting in the Slovyansk region with some weapons. I have no idea how many of what weapons they defected with, but it is a possible explanation.
http://www.euronews.com/2014/04/16/armored-vehicles-flying-russian-flags...
What should we call them?
The Odessa 40?
Do you think that USA leadership 'does what it has to do' wrt Russia, to keep these track records unseen?
The Public Be Suckered
http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1230886
Oh no, if Russia takes Ukraine and holds Kamchatka, they will get the 7 bonus arms for holding Asia!!! We're doomed!
(if you don't know what I am talking about, you never played Risk as a kid, your childhood sucked)
Pictures of burned people in Odessa.
http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/1570374.html
The first casualty of a conflict is truth, and the news media started off with untruth and has now gone down, but the public no longer controls much of its future.
Hilarious! Watching C-Span2 just now. US Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel was asked by some Russian lady claiming to be a retired historian:
"Why, Mr. Hagel, after WW2 where the US and USSR were allies and friends, after these 69 years is it that the USA no longer sees Russia as a friend?"
Too funny!
Hey lady, the reason was Czechoslovakia, Romania, Poland, East Germany, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Armenia, Georgia, Moldova, Armenia, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Belarus...did I miss anybody...oh, that is right...Ukraine! When you brutally invade a large number of free peoples under the pretext of some bullshit Communist Ideology, friendship tends to END!
The Russian leadership of today looks back with nostalgia on the former USSR. And you people admire PUTIN, a man who is in direct pedigree to the former Soviet Checka!! Are you people without shame? What animals.
Perhaps you need to be reminded that the USSR did not invade these countries without prior agreement with Churchil and Roosevelt at Yalta, where Europe was divided by the Great Powers. Stalin took not one inch more than was agreed to at Yalta. Yes, these countries were invaded but it was the Allies who planned it, not just the USSR, and it is the Allies who must share responsibility for what was to come.
Indeed, you might even say more specifically it was collaboration between Roosevelt and Stalin (who were very friendly and of one mind about the conduct of the war) that was really responsible for the gift of Eastern Europe to the USSR. Churchill did not approve, but went along in the end. As I understand it, he wanted to pursue a path along the Russian border to prevent Moscow's taking of any part of Eastern Europe.
Yes, Churchill begged Roosevelt not to give away Europe, but Roosevelt was not of sound mind that late in his life and was a socialist to boot.
I'd like some links for that
victor999...
The 'percentages agreement' or 'naughty document' was an agreement between Stalin and Churchill about the division of Eastern Europe... This agreement was made at the 4th Moscow conference and Roosevelt knew nothing about it (or, maybe Roosevelt did know about it but wanted plausable deniability). imo, Roosevelt did not know about the agreement.
" Churchill suggested that the Soviet Union should have 90 percent influence in Romania and 75 percent in Bulgaria; the United Kingdom should have 90 percent in Greece; in Hungary and Yugoslavia, Churchill suggested that they should have 50 percent each. Churchill wrote it on a piece of paper which he pushed across to Stalin, who ticked it off and passed it back.
Look out for more brinkmanship politics from the US.
The when tensions are at their highest, a false flag in the CONUS.
Power grid, stock market, dirty bomb or some such which can be blamed on those damn commies.
then all bets are off!
Russian Commies, safedisk? NO!
Russian Kleptocrats? Yes!
The ideology of Russia is no longer Communist. It is all about stealing and embezzlement and extortion and criminality.
And it is this criminal leadership, fat cats living in European dachas during the Winter, may give the order to their idiot slave-citizens to march to war. This is the tragedy of the Russian citizen today.
You've just described my America. What land do you call home?
It won't affect the "markets". Dow 86,000
If you need hyperinflation then you need higher energy costs, Ukraine war is the best 'natural' cause for this reason.
Just wait, floods of greenbacks coming to US shores and all $$$$$ come out from hidings.
I wouldn't be surprised to see a few Iranian/Russian missiles landing in the likes of Qatar, Bahrain, Ghawar (Saudi Arabia), Dubai and Abu Dhabi if things really get hot in Ukraine...
Would certainly scare a whole heap of investment and Westerners out of these places - the UAE in particular.
Not to forget China jumping all over Taiwan and Kim III being let loose on South Korea and Seoul!!
The tinderbox is just waiting to be lit in many places...
Okay, I didn't want to have to do this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d696t3yALAY
Chruchhill was the queen's cousin
http://mindbodypolitic.com/2010/09/15/winston-churchill-statist-monster/
http://ajitvadakayil.blogspot.de/2010/12/sir-winston-churchill-three-in-...
http://ajitvadakayil.blogspot.com/2011/09/amartya-sen-gets-nobel-prize-f...
couldn't even wait until june 28th
congratulations world you've got another war.
special thanks go to Germany, France, England, Netherlands and not to be forgotten the USSA. may you all rot in hell.
looks like a 'self-contained armoured-infantry unit' or somesuch. even with 'organic 152mm' guns ...
MH-370 & OBAMACARE? Just a few days ago OBAMA was down in Malaysia, closing loose ends.
What was telling is the very company SERCO-GROUP that made the BUAP ( Boeing-Autopilot ) was SERCO-HONEYWELL, But what blows my brain is that SERCO also developed OBAMA-CARE ..
In July 2013 Serco was awarded a $1.25 billion contract to manage the implementation of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.
>>> Early reports were that the FREESCALE KL-02 CHIP was to be the OBAMA-CARE chip, .e.g. every american to be 'tagged' for health reasons, best of all tracked in real-time by INMARSAT satellites owned by HW-BUSH.
Over in the UK SERCO is putting 'tagging' devices in every criminal, and down in Austrailia SERCO is running the prisons.
MY the BUSH/CIA family is busy. When they're not making new HITLERs, they're trying to take care of our health.
SERCO HISTORY was RCA (RADIO CORPORATION AMERICA) from USA, Another NAZI BUSH Holding company in UK going back to 1920's.
RCA UK, became SERCO the largest secret MI-6 company you never heard of,... Radio Corporation of America ( RCA) ... Nazi interests in the Silesian-American Corporation, long managed by ... Harriman, Bush and the others in the cabal had financed the buildup of Nazi war ... and not one word has been heard over any of the big commercial radio stations." ..
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Sometimes described as the "biggest company you've never heard of", Serco was in celebratory mood just over a year ago, with profits surging after it had won a record number of contracts ranging from community healthcare in Suffolk to retaining the joint running of Britain's nuclear warheads store at Aldermaston.
But everything changed for the giant outsourcing conglomerate when it became mired in a series of scandals, saw its stock market value slump and was ignominiously ejected from the FTSE 100 index.
Nevertheless, it still employs 120,000 people in more than 30 countries, and, once you start looking, you will see its logo everywhere.
In Britain the group runs a huge range of government and other services, from rail franchises including Merseyrail, Northern Rail and London's Docklands Light Railway, to immigration removal centres and prisons – including the Thameside prison in south-east London that was criticised last year by the Howard League for conditions that were "truly alarming".
It has won a number of healthcare contracts as private involvement in the NHS increases, such as out of hours GPs in Cornwall – damned in a report by the House Of Commons public accounts committee that was prompted by reports in the Guardian and found Serco had replaced clinicians' on out-of-hours GP services in Cornwall with call-handlers without medical training.
It looks after school inspections in the Midlands and east of England. It manages the UK's ballistic missile early warning system on the Yorkshire moors and is in charge of traffic monitoring on England's motorways. In London it runs the "Boris bikes" cycle hire scheme. It also operates the National Nuclear Laboratory.
Around the world, Serco has hoovered up government and private contracts ranging from air traffic control in 11 states of the US and in the United Arab Emirates to parking-meter services in Chicago and driving tests in Ontario. In Australia it runs Great Southern Railways as well as ports, patrol boats and immigration services including an immigration centre on Christmas Island. Other big transport contracts include toll tunnels in Hong Kong and the metro in Dubai.
It provides IT support for the European Commission, the European Space Agency and Italian regional and central government; and engineering services at the European Particle Physics Laboratory (CERN) close to Geneva.
Serco began life in 1929 as a UK subsidiary of US electronics company Radio Corporation of America, providing services to Britain's burgeoning cinema industry. In the 1960s it won a maintenance contract from the Royal Air Force base at Fylingdales, which expanded into a bigger support contract with the RAF. Following a management buyout in 1987, RCA Services Limited was renamed Serco and a year later, it listed on the London Stock Exchange.
I watched this last night, for some background. It was mainstream, and so, a biased narration, but nevertheless, it presents some basic facts that enable one to understand the current situation better:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5Rkom1RpKA
Vladimir Putin Full Length Documentary: The Putin SystemPerhaps you can tell me your thoughts, on why the Western MSM has been lionizing PUTIN now 2+ years, note Time and all the CIA rag's have been doing this for a long time,
In the meantime our western leaders are being demonized as 'ladymen', ... telling IMHO
I think its because the PTB is warming us up to the IDEA of a STALIN like man to Run the USA.
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RM when you see or hear an orchestra, look for a conductor, this "PUTIN FEST" is not by accident, WESTERN MSM is turning him into a GOD.
WHY?
PUTIN Say's "Google is a CIA project"
Do we have leaders in the USA speaking this truth?
More people want PUTIN to be the USA president than support Obama.
Putin Calls Internet 'CIA Project', Warns Against Google Searches ...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIQVATJld1Q
Read the BOOK "CHarlie Wilsons War", a story about how a little nobody Texas Congressman on his own got Stinger Missiles to Usama-Bin-Laden in early 1980's and brought RUSSIAN down.
RM, get the real book, its required reading by US State Department, it tells exactly HOW Alzheimer RAYGUN destroyed the Soviet EMPIRE.
Now jump ahead today and the USA empire will soon collapse, and probably lose all colony's; Japan, Germany, ... PI, Hawaii, Alaska, ...
Does PUTIN want to get even? Fuck yes.
A gal I know in US State Department turned me on this book when it was first written, and I even met Charlie Wilson a few times at Soldier of Fortune in Vegas. The guy was bigger than life, and always had big titted whores on his arms, I'll give him that. He was about 6 ft 4", and wore a cowboy hat that made him look 7ft, ... What is crazy is a guy like this on his own ran his entire operation, and nobody stopped him, he simply believed he was doing god's work, ... arming the Mujahdeen aka AL-QUEDA ( The 'base' in CIA persian ).
Is the USA bat shit crazy, ... are the nuts running the house? YES, ...
Is PUTIN pissed? Does he want to get even? Even Steven? That would require everybody in the USA to die a 100X, ....
Piss poor source for understanding of Soviet involvement in Afghanistan....Wilson was a coke head...with a whole team doing the real dirty shit
Truth is all that is overrated..even the stinger..
Soviet was already downhill for a brick wall..and certain KGB predicted it to themselves over 10 year before...
At the time Soviet withdrew, they held far more territory than amerikans ever dared to think about getting close to..
Truth is nothing like amerikans were led to believe..
Result was huge number more innocents have died because of interferences there..
Real fucking big achievement....
99% of AmeriKKKan's have not read this book, and it is NOT the official narrative of WHAT arming the MUJAHADEEN was all about. The point was for RM, who has a heart, the
author of this book also had a heart.
Charlie Wilson was running un-bridled, and of course all the while they were running Stingers to Afghan they were runing COCAINE to MENA-ARKANSAS, and gun's back to Nicaragua.
This CIA 'insiders' version of history, ... and if its NOT meant for the the ameriKKKan public.
Ronald Raygun spent a lot of political capital
explaining how bin-laden's mujahadeen were the moral equivalent of the 'founding fathers', I concur. /sarc
James! You're insane.
(Sorry to break the news to you.)
With the arrest of our IRA leader, Northern Ireland is now only hours away from a UKRAINE like scenario, ... I hope the UK overlords are happy.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/05/01/sinn-fein-leader-gerry-adams-arr...
IRA has given the UK gubmint 24 hours to release Gerry Adams, otherwise the shooting starts.
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Novictim, for a troll the force (/sarc) is strong in your avatar.
Your crazy,nobody is going to start a shooting war over the bearded one.His reputation was all but destroyed when it was revealed he covered up for his kiddy fiddling brother.
I know you don't care, but some people do care, and SERCO is about to come to the USA and run FEMA camps. So you should care.
Serco-run Yarl's Wood has been subjected to heavy criticism by human rights campaigners amid reports of sexual misconduct by staff, women being detained for long periods of time and pregnant detainees being held without justification.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/u...
SERCO has done such a good job for OBAMACARE that OBAMA is going reward them at let them run US prisons. Right out of "V for Vendetta", it is truth is stranger than fiction.
Remember SERCO GROUP, is/was created by the SAME BUSH in 1920 that brougth HITLER to power, and passed on along with INMARSAT to HW-BUSH, and someday to VP Jeb Bush.
Ok, I need to say "thanks", James, for some of your information. The IRA angle is very interesting.
And the SERCO GROUP piece...though I'm not sure if that company is any worse than any other sociopath owned multinational company run by a CEO selected by anonymous stock holders.
Aren't all Multinational, stock holder owned companies "Sociopathic" when it comes right down to their system for decision making?
Apparently there are 13 major share holders of SERCO who hold 63% of the stock:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=155540
SHAREHOLDER % HOLDING
FMR CORP and Fidelity Int Ltd - 9.27
UBS Investment Bank 5.90
Morstan Nominees Ltd 5.09
Capital Research & Mgmt Co 5.07
AXA SA 4.94
Morley Fund Management & Aviva Plc 4.92
Lloyds Banking Group PLC 4.91
Baillie Gifford & Company Limited 4.86
Fidelity International Ltd 4.84
Newton Investment Management Ltd 4.78
BlackRock inc 4.42
Legal & General Group PLC 3.95
Ignis Investment Services Ltd 3.14
DIRECTOR HOLDINGS
Chris Hyman 0.18
Andrew Jenner 0.069
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Yes, SERCO is one of these scum bag companies that is the norm today that uses big money as bribes (legal and ?illegal) to gain contracts, encourages the privatization of just about everything and anything.
Problem here on ZH is that these folks LIKE privatizing everything. Zero Hedge has a mentality and "wisdom" akin to a child fond of fireworks being given a lighter and a supply-hut filled with dynamite.
Correction 99% of ameriKKKan''s CANT read this book and 99.9999% will never read this book,
But like Carrol Quigley, its essential reading if you want to know the truth about USA power in the world.
It is time for Russia to protect her nationals. If they continue to talk and yet do nothing - allowing the insurgent to be slaughtered by armies in the pay of the West - then they are morally no better than the Americans.
Would someone please tell me why independent Vice News - and they've had some of the best, if not THE best, on-the-scene reports of Ukraine - INSISTS on making Russia look like an invader and an instigator, while never, EVER saying ANYTHING about the CIA-funded and sponsored coup against an elected government in Kyiv!?
"The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars,
But in ourselves, that we are underlings."
You answered your own question, Lin. Vice News is an apparently honest news service by your own account and Russia is the bad actor in this conflict.
It is weird that this truth, which is seen as obvious by the vast majority, is invisible to you. Please remember, Princess Putin is a MAN.
Please send your son first to be slaughtered for the bankers.
The first victim in every WAR is truth, ... that's why, and that's why you will never hear the truth. Ever again. Even here on ZH its now game-over for truth, the time for facts has ended, the time for propaganda has begun.
Even here on ZH, last month we heard the truth (Lurch/Hillary spent $5B USD engineerin Keiv Coup), and now in the past few weeks that paid trolls have invaded ZH, slowly trying to move the UNICORN's over to the new approved 'talking points'.
Will the Unicorn's go with the flow? Yes
Google (CIA Holding Company) Rankings are dependent upon 'going with approved talking points', ... ranking goes down, nickels fall to zero.
Remember that "R", James! It's important.
But you make a coherent point when you say we no longer can "know the truth". James, propaganda is not the day to day news, usually, but is the editorial comment and the spin put on the facts. (When I say "USUALLY" I give a nod to the Russian' false claims some weeks ago of Ethnic Russians being singled out and attacked...those events are manufactured from whole cloth, of course, and in a ham-fisted manner, I might add.)
But the editorializing is the standard method of propaganda these days. So, James, if you can remember events, if you can grasp the context on your own, then propaganda and "spin" will really become obvious to you. Manipulation requires its victims to have no memory and no means of understanding historical context.
Like casting Russia as a good guy. Russia has never played the role of Good Guy, ever! Its frightening to think that propaganda could get folks to even give them the benefit of the doubt after all they have done as a people.
Now get that prescription filled, buddy.
What bothers me more than the situation in Ukraine is how certain all the basement dwelling posters here of one conspiracy or another.
I suggest that no one knows how this goes down or what all the visible and invisible forces are. There is a sort of insufferable arrogance in many of these posts that reflects an actual intellectual weakness or rational deficit.
I wish the people of the Ukraine well and in the end I hope that some sort of liberty and decency prevails.
Your admitting your ignorance, ... shall I educate you?
1.) Nuland, Hillary, Kerry pay $5B USD for a coup
2.) Install new NEO-ZIO-CON leadership in KIEV
3.) Ukraine money collapses in value
4.) Cops go unpaid, and go home
5.) Everything turns to shit and free-loaders start stealing and burning down police stations
6.) nobody gives a fuck, and its every man for himself,
7.) NEO-NAZI groups with CIA gun's go wild in streets and kill innocent russian speaking business owners, ... looting pillaging.
8.) PUTIN step's in to PROTECT Russian Financial interest.
Where did it start? #1 is the correct answer, where will it end? When everyboy is dead, or WW3 has begun, or the MSM changes the subject to the CHINA/USA war, and UKRAINE is forgotten, but the anarchy will continue for years.
What part don't you fucking understand?
The EU/UN follows the BROKEN beer bottle option, if I can't have your beer, then nobody get's it, ... EU (CIA/MOSSAD) tried to STEAL UKRAINE, ... it didn't work out as planned, so now engineer a civil war, and destroy it, it was always about stealing the GAZPROM pipelines, if the CIA can't steal them intact, then destory them.
I agree with your summary of issues in Ukraine.
But this bit is wrong in my opinion: "...it was always about stealing the GAZPROM pipelines"
I suggest one of the major reasons for taking control of Ukraine was to install NATO in the country to further surround Russia.
Yes, an old pattern of domination by the US. First, protect them with our military, then once they're docile and dependent, suck away their wealth. It's all about the bankers.
Now that push has gone to shove the Odessa port becomes a major strategic goal. As without Crimea and Odessa, the Ukraine -- of Kiev regime-- is without a port on Black Sea. That will be an awesome weakening of truncated Ukrainian state after the shooting match--whose outcome seems pretty clear today given the way the cards are stacked-- plays out. Putin will come out stronger "geo politically". It remains to see what clout the West can muster financially. Even there Obama and Merkel are not on same page. As for spill over into Asia and Middle East it stills remains to be seen; especially in Syria where the embers are burning hot!
Yes, I completely agree with the Ukrainian ports issue. I guess the West/NATO wanted them too, to provide even better access for its planned bases on Ukraine's land and control of the Black Sea to monitor and interrupt Russia's movements in it.
Hey Taylor, why you dont write about the vast amount of NATO-tanks moving through Austria eastward?
Where is that story? Why not provide link firstly instead of just talk about?
There is a very obvious split in Ukraine. A big fuck off river straight down the middle. West can be an EU debt slave run by the CIA, East can be Russia. Sorted.
Next!
Edit: My bad, Odessa is just the wrong side of that. Back to the drawing board Sherlock!
On a serious note, if regions in the West start kicking up, this does not look good for this CIA sack of shit take over.
Al Jazeera:
In the midst of the Ukrainian conflict, Sergey Lavrov has embarked on a Latin American diplomatic tour. After visiting Cuba earlier this week and Nicaragua on May 1, the Russian foreign minister headed to Peru and later Santiago de Chile to meet with newly elected Chilean president Michelle Bachelet.
This journey across the Atlantic, far away from the growing unrest [in Ukraine], might have surprised some. Yet, the choice of each country visited by Lavrov and the timing of such bilateral talks obey clear foreign policy logic.
While the change of regime in Kiev was viewed by Moscow as an illegitimate attempt from NATO forces to step onto Russia's traditional sphere of influence, Lavrov is keen on reminding the World that the Kremlin also possesses its own allies at the heart of what Washington considers its "backyard".
That a-J explanation of Lavrov's foreign trip looks reasonable, if only guesswork. But I'm surprised Russia has such close ties with Chile given Simon Blacks regular reports about Chile being a hotbed of free market capitalism. Does it still hanker after those halcyon days of socialism that Pinochet decapitated?
The Battle of Kursk is about to begin again.....this time Russia vs Ukraine. If Ukraine were to win, they must do it without the help of the 1st SS Panzer Liebstandarte Adolf Hiter Division.
PS: Karkhov has always been the key to victory. During WWII, it changed hands 3 times.
Now the Russian population is clearly threatened by mercenary fascistic forces hired by the West killing off civilians there is nothing else Putin can do than re-vade the country and install order on it’s borders. That will happen rather sooner than later I think.
Jim Willie: The public will come to learn and be convinced the system is broken. The faith in money will quickly vanish.
Consider the following potential change agents:
1) Russian primitive payment system arrives, with an asset backed Ruble currency
2) Saudis accept non-USD for oil payments, actually any major currency
3) Yuan full convertibility hits the scene, to occur in Shanghai Free Trade Zone
4) Indications of a new Dollar in the United States, with fraudulent backing
5) Significant shutdown of global mining industry, from lack of profitability
6) One major giant Western bank goes into failure, with three prime candidates
7) Major US retail (product, food) chains show empty shelves from interruptions
8 ) USFed revealed to huge QE volume through proxies, the hidden side revealed
9) COMEX & LBMA show no gold price, from lack of inventory
10) High ranking US or London banker is murdered, with no possible cover-up
FROM: Guide: Pathogenesis & Change Factors, 25 April 2014, by Jim Willie (Golden Jackass) http://news.goldseek.com/GoldenJackass/1398456000.php
Jim Willie Article Oversight: http://news.goldseek.com/GoldenJackass/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social-National_Party_of_Ukraine
Here we go again! I hate fuckin Nazi's!
Nothing like a shitty ass symbol to inspire people to hatred. We're all so dumb
The symbol is just the dark spot on the x-ray.
The cancer is inside the human.
Joel Skousen is saying Russia is trying to slow this down, avoid a US/NATO Russia confrontation. If Russia wanted to get things going quickly they could declare Ukraine a no fly zone and begin bombing to support the freedom fighters, like the west did in Libya.
I've heard Skousen, and I think he's way off base on this one. For instance it's his theme that Russia is the real culprit in the the Kiev putsch and not the west. His whole analysis doesn't pass the smell test, for me anyway.
Russia will find stronger support in the UN then from western controled groups like the IMF. All the European members of NATO need is something that looks like "peace with honor" and will not be in a hurry to start shooting.
Skousen is nutty, can't fully admit todays real evil
I've got an off topic question for the weapons experts here.
Do any of you know where I can find a Sig P220 barrel in 38 Super?
Thanks for any response.
Yes, I know where you can find one.
More like a long weekend for longs lol. Doubtful though, Russian invasion less drastic than expected.
Gemany has strong ties to both Russia and China and will not back Obama with more than words. The idea of America getting involved or jumping into a war in Ukraine would have been hard to imagine a few years ago. As I write this we are engaged in a war of words but the potential for this to escalate into a shooting war is real. Allowing events to deteriorate into a major war or possibly into what some see as World War III is becoming a reality.
As insane as it appears this could become the final outcome. The location of this as a military confrontation is right in Putin's backyard and this is a strong advantage for Russia. It is silly to think Putin and Russia will back down. This means poking the bear is not a smart move. It should be noted the military of Ukraine is divided and extremely weak. More about this subject in the article below.
http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/04/war-in-ukraine-bad-idea_26.html
All you have to do is read the first COMMAND on the Georgia Guidestones to figure out what the ultimate plan is for TPTB. It is fairly obvious what is going on, the propoganda (to keep us all divided) to hide the real truths, the nationalistic fervor around the world stirring up hatred, corrupt governments controlling the people, illegal world enterprises issuing fiat decrees (see LOST), corporate fascim...the list goes on!
This could be a bumpy ride...stay safe my friends.
IMO far too much buildup to just make a 'threat'. Russians are probably making sure all nuclear systems are a go before invading in case bigsatan makes a move.
By the time you get to Odessa your 1/2 way to Switzerland so you might as well keep going and kill anything thats not worth $41.00 a gram.
I can't wait to go to Pimilico later and do a little OTB for the Derby. I like the "We Miss Artie" storyline. Big 50-1 ML win at the Derby... coming into the Preakness, where, we as a city, too, "Miss" "Artie" (Art Donovan). Bronx borned and raised, "The Bulldog"- We Miss Artie wins big in Baltimore to take the first 2 legs of the Triple Crown. And then back to New York for Churchill, where, again, he is a crowd favorite and probably by then sitting at 5-2 odds, point being, today is the the day all you rich fuoks can pay your Benzo car note. eat a d!ck
That is so far off topic that I had to green you while laughing. Don't forget to take your HFT horse betting algo with you.
and Art Donovan's birthday is June 5th. Belmont Stakes is June 7th. coincidence. I think not. Obama will ensure it happens. It will make the American people feel good and forget about the hell hole of an flatlined economy we find ourselves in. yhay!, 'merica
Ukraine looks a lot like a chart of Sixth Army's advance toward Stalingrad. That didn't work out too well for Germany last time...
da notice the north
Ahhh, all the cocksmokers who think Putin is doing the right thing...you THINK you know this man and his motives, he will suprise you very soon.
Odumbo may have started this thing in Kiev, but to rally around Moscow is a fools errand.
No white hats here...they (TPTB) are all corrupt and power hungry maniacs!
Ahhh! Another DOwn Arrow fan rallying to my cause! Welcome aboard, Abi!
LOL, down arrows, I don't see no down arrows!!
The truth is what it is, and most people can't see it, right there on there nose!
Holy Fuck!
Reading some of the posts on here makes me wonder if I missed the memo that today was LSD Saturday.
And I skipped a couple of pages.
I'm going to hope that some of you are just pretending to be psychotic as an attention getting device.
SAKER: http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/
Important for understanding to read this.
http://www.janes360.com/images/assets/125/37125/UkraineRussia3.pdf
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2014/04/29/US-would-react-immediately-if-Russia-invaded-Ukraine-says-American-ambassador/5121398797463/
The kenyan wants to fight a proxy war with Putin? That's funny. If the Kenyan invades Ukraine, I'll be one of probably a million Americans in the streets demonstrating against it. The Kenyan ain't seen nothing yet.
For the cause of freedom, I hope they fight to the last man and take out one rusky for every man they lose. Our president, head of the free world, is what put them in their graves, though.
Odessa genocyde
46 deaths confirmed, 170 wounded, 77 are still in hospital, 25 are in critical condition.
Here is a list of the dead who have been identified:
Name---Year of Birth---Cause of Death
Alexander Biryukov - 1978 - gunshot wound
Alexander Zhul'kov - 1968 - gunshot wound
Nokolai Yegorsky - 1976 - gunshot wound
Gennady Petrov -1985 - gunshot wound
Igor Ivanov - 1987 - gunshot wound
Andrey Brazhevsky - 1987 - fall, then beaten to death on the ground
Anatoly Kalin - 1976 - fall
Maxim Nikitenko- 1982 - fall
Viktor Bulakh - 1956 - fall
Anna Varenikaina - 1955 - CO poisoning
Vadim Negadurov - 1959 - burns (died in hospital)
Vyacheslav Markin - 1969 - burns (he is a local council member from the Party of Regions, died in hospital)
All of them are from Odessa
Photographs of the torched victims of the US/UE supported fascist legions:
http://ani-al.livejournal.com/1705540.html
WARNING: Extremely distressing images!
TTIP (Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership) and Ukrainian Mess
These two recent posts by Tabarnaque summarized the plot to go in Ukraine and WHY.
"If you read this article you will understand that Ukraine is a manufactured side show to force Europe into quickly signing the TTIP (Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership)."
>>>> TTIP ==> Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership
Read them here: post #1, and post #2 is right below it... read Saker as well!
Some more links, mainly about TTIP and TPP:
(TPP - Trans-Pacific Partnership)
The US plan for the Ukraine - a hypothesis
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2014/04/the-us-plan-for-ukraine-hypoth...
The corporate endgame: Why you should be concerned about TPP and TTIP
http://anh-europe.org/news/the-corporate-endgame-why-you-should-be-conce...
TPP/TTIP
http://stopmakingsense.org/category/corporations/tppttip/
TPP and TTIP
https://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/global/global-trade/tpp-and-tafta-free...
The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership: The TPP’s Corporate-Friendly European Counterpart
http://www.projectcensored.org/transatlantic-trade-investment-partnershi...
TPP & TTIP - Policy Implications Environmental Research Irrelevant
http://www.earthwatchmedia.org/tpp-ttip-policy-implications-of-environme...
#TTIP #TAFTA Watch
http://ttip.euwatch.eu/
Trans-Atlantic global leadership at stake in Ukraine – Kerry
http://rt.com/news/155780-kerry-nato-russia-challente/
. . . just search "TPP TTIP" for further refs
And here's a CARTOON version:
http://economixcomix.com/home/tpp/
I have often found it interesting that North Dakota was spared some of the subprime stuff because they have their own State Bank and like it that way.
Sometimes government does work.I once lived in WA where they have State liquor stores and those profits go back to the taxpayer and I never heard of a State liquor store being held up.
What America needs is for one state to say enough and secede.DC would have to make an example out of them (think Waco scenario).The problem here is that people would get a good glimpse of the man behind the curtain.That is why the Bundy ranch issue became important.People stick together,and they know that is the only way out of this mess is helping eachother. Sheriffs all over America are refusing to enforce these crappy laws coming from DC.
If the ethnic groups of the Ukraine region want independence,that is their own affair,enshrined in the UN charter (self determination). What Putin would like is a conventional conflict (after diplomacy has failed,and it has) where large numbers of civilians are spared.Sadly,the efforts of the Kiev mob make this an unlikely outcome.Generally,the brits were better at this diplomacy stuff,Partition here and there.Messy usually but sometimes unavoidable.Perhaps UN Peacekeepers on the ground? Worked so well in Bosnia (Srbrenica?).
Strange that the Kiev junta hasn't mentioned UN observers? And the world media? Strangely silent on any non-violent measures.
The Ukrainian currency is almost at toilet paper status,the Gold is gone I expect,and now they are bringing in conscription.
Somehow I am reminded of the old F Troop comedy series,where everyone lines up and takes one step backward when "Volunteers" are asked for.
"should Russia finally get involved?"
Clue, it is statements like this that shows your colors.
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Another brilliant and accurate prediction of the future, much like almost 95+% of the other brilliant and accurate predictions.
Explain again, how many wars has Obama gotten us into? And this is bad because???