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89% Of Donetsk Voters Pick Independence From Kiev; Ukraine Prepared To Fight To Defend Territory
The east Ukraine referendum is over, and as widely expected, the vast majority have picked independence. From AFP's Marc Burleigh:
Rebels in Donetsk in east #Ukraine give press conference & claim 89% of voters in province cast ballots in favour of self-rule @AFP
— Marc Burleigh (@marcburleigh) May 11, 2014
Rebel vote-counter Roman Lyagin tells reporters in #Ukraine's Donetsk that 89.07% voted in favour, 10.19% against - 'final results' he says
— Marc Burleigh (@marcburleigh) May 11, 2014
RIA adds that according to Ukraine rebels, the final turnout in the Donetsk vote was 74.87%.
Some comments from those voting for independence:
We are Russian. Of course we hope to be united with Russia," declared another early morning voter, 55-year-old businesswoman Galina.
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"I voted against the Nazis in Kiev, which are supported by the U.S. and Europe. I voted for an independent Donbass," said the 63-year-old, referring to a largely pro-independence region in eastern Ukraine.
Here is Europe:
"What is happening in Donetsk and Lugansk does not make any sense," said French president Francois Hollande
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"Figures from fake referendums in Eastern Ukraine likely to be fake" Swedish Foreign Minister Carl Bildt says on his Twitter account.
As for the Ukraine response, that too was in line with expectations:
"This is a step into the abyss for the regions," Oleksandr Turchynov said in comments posted on the presidential website Saturday.
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Acting chief of the Ukrainian presidential administration Sergiy Pashinski said: "The turnout throughout the whole region amounts to zero as far as formalities are concerned.
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"I would like to underline one more time it's not a referendum. It is a desultory attempt by terrorists, bandits and killers to cover their activity by having citizens vote in Luhansk and Donetsk."
But most concerning is the following: "Ukraine’s army is ready to fight back should Russia attack it after referendums in Ukrainian eastern regions are completed, BBC reports, citing Head of Defense and Security Council Andriy Parubiy as saying in interview. Should Russia recognize referendums and take active steps against its neighbor, “I reiterate once again that Ukraine will defend its territory."
And since the Donetsk republic is now officially independent, if only in its and Putin's eyes, thereby giving Russia a green light to arrive and "keep the peace", the next and far more violent escalation in the Ukraine conflict now appears inevitable.
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The transfer of Crimea to Ukraine in 1954 by Sovet Premier Nikita Khrushchev to his adopted country was framed as a goodwill gesture to mark the 300th anniversary of Ukraine's merger with tsarist Russia, i.e., the Russian Empire.
Krushchev was Ukrainian some claim not, but my Ukraine friends say he was.
I think I have been told before that Lenin gave eastern regions into Ukraine to gain political balance advantage.
Ukraine has never been a functioning, independent functioning sovereign nation.
Since Soviet fall, Ukraine has failed, even with billions support from Russia, while Russian Federation under much demonized Putin Administration has huge progress.
Thanks to outside interference Ukraine is failed state.
Thanks to outside interfering, the US is a failed state.
Stalin was a Georgian not a Russian sociopath.
And not from Atlanta BTW...
Split the country in half, that is also the answer for Syria. What is happening in Ukraine and the unrest in many areas in the world brings into focus the many conflicts that develop when a region decides to change governments often outside the recognized democratic system of voting. In some cases even after an overwhelming vote such as in Crimea the whole process is called into question.
Unfortunately the American civil war did not resolve the issue of succession forever and definitely was not a template for a solution that should be used in countries across the planet. Bottom-line many in politics are slow to give up control and this will not change. More on this subject below.
http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-issue-of-sovereign-borders.ht...
So thus... sell PMs with all your strength... SELL...SELL...SELL...
Southern succession was complcated by virtue of most of the cannons residing in the north. This tends to slow things down.
And ZH believes these made up numbers?! C'mon. Last time you believed Putin that he respects the laws, and does not operate a mass surveillance program in Russia, just because he said so, and now this..
Even the referendum in Crimea was a bad joke, now it is official that it was a scam.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2014/05/05/putins-human-...
".. Yesterday, however, according to a major Ukrainian news site, TSN.ua, the website of the President of Russia’s Council on Civil Society and Human Rights (shortened to President’s Human Rights Council) posted a report that was quickly taken down as if it were toxic radioactive waste. According to this purported report about the March referendum to annex Crimea, the turnout of Crimean voters was only 30 percent. And of these, only half voted for the referendum–meaning only 15 percent of Crimean citizens voted for annexation. .."
ZH is one of my favorite sites. However, recently it tries so desperately to push its political agenda that in some topics ZH just goes blind. American people are really lucky if they truly believe that the american government is the worst on the planet.
idiot post...you are stupid enough to repeat this crap?
at least it wasn't kyiv post...
give it up
Crimea is still celebrating.
You still don't get it. Your american people believe that the their government is the best on the planet - that's the problem btw . They need to wake up. Fast.
'C'mon. Last time you believed Putin that he respects the laws, and does not operate a mass surveillance program in Russia, just because he said so.'
Just like to point out the US runs a total planet wide surveillance operation and the US president would still be hand on heart denying its existence if it was not for Snowden and others exposing it, He has also supported Al Qaeda terrorists with weapons and now backs Neo Nazis in the Ukraine.
You might want to sit down and have another think about who the good guys are, the US used to be and the Russians the bad guys, but that was 30 plus years ago, The world has changed, or perhaps there simply are no good guys now, they are all bad guys, Americans, Russians, Europeans.
There are no good guys anymore, if there ever where in the first place. Putin is no better than Obama. These guys are all cheering on Russia like it's some great freedom fighting anti-America. It's not. The Russian bear is doing exactly what the American Eagle does, protect it's interest and try to expand it's control.
I repeat for the slow and the dumb that have seriously infected Fight Club, THERE ARE NO GOOD GUYS ANYWHERE! If you're cheering for Putin/Russia you're basically just selling yourself to a new master, for no gain.
I used to like it in here. Who the fuck let this place get filled with socialist loving retards? WTF Tylers?
Nope, sorry, in this particular situation you're wrong. The Russians are the good guys. Putin is better than Obama.
Then you're a fool and you've fallen for the old pick a side BS. No different than Republican or Democrat, pick your evil. Either way, you've still chosen evil.
Nope. It's pretty clear in this situation that there is a good side and an evil side. You either can't see this or you choose to ignore it.
If you can't see this, it only illustrates the degree to which you're still controlled by the Cold War programming you've been indoctrinated with your entire life.
If you choose to ignore it, that says even more.
I didn't grow up during the cold war, I was 10 when the wall came down. I have no cold war programming to speak of.
I think it's you that's blinded. You choose Russia and refuse to see the hand they've played here. If you don't think the FIS and FSS are ass deep in this then you simply aren't paying attention. Russia isn't going to sit back and let Ukraine walk into the hands of NATO/EZ. The US would just as likely have let Mexico join the old USSR. In other words, not gonna happen.
I stand firm on my view here. There simply are no good guys here. Only pieces on a game board. Putin isn't a Saint after all. He's the head of a large machine. It's his job to maintain that machine. He's just playing the same game world leaders have always played. It's Risk, with real weapons and real peoples lives on the line.
offence and defence. russia is on defence and plays well, but mostly due to terrible offence. But terrible offence was due to desperation to restain Russia as it was challenging the status quo of dollar reserve system.
the old adage is true : debt is slavery, and we will feel its weight soon enough.
You are really stoopid. Sorry. You don't know shit.
...only if you're Russian.
It pushes that agenda all the way from Moscow. And the tin-foil hats here eat it up.
compound interest, pimping the same forbes.com lie that his sock puppet ObamaDepression has been spreading today:
International observers of the Crimean referendum thought it was well run and had a high turnout. Why do you lie?
http://rt.com/news/international-observers-crimea-referendum-190/
International observers?! Fuck, are you really THAT stupid?! Those "International observers" were members of the far right-wing nazi parties from the EU that are on Putin's payroll (from my country, it is the Jobbik party). And you link rt.com?! Give me a break. You really believe this shit?
I'm lucky to live in the US, where we enjoy an unverifiable and faith-based system of counting votes. We are so morally superior that our system requires no credibility whatsoever. We are the envy of the fucking world! I feel blessed that we never need to reflect on ourselves, because it gives us extra energy to criticize and point the (middle) finger at others. We are just awesome like that, exceptional to the fucking core. Let loose the panaply of condemnation against these backward ass savages! Fucking ingrates..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesize/history/mwh/ir2/hungaryrev1.shtml
Hungarian revolution against the Soviets in 1956.
That's how it feels when the big russian bear comes to "help" you.
Of course, one could interpret the 1956 uprising as "the Hungarian people called for the Soviets to help them punish some rebel nazi elements" - that would be as "credible" an interpretation as ZH interprets the events in Ukraine.
However, I don't doubt that the recent Ukrainian government is a puppet, and the puppet masters are the US and the EU. I just think it is the less bad alternative. I think you need to avoid the hug of the Russian Bear. The Region where I came from has learned it the hard way in the last century. Of course, there were millions and millions on the western side of the Iron Curtain, who thought that life is better in the Soviet Union than in Western Europe, or in the US. It was not.
The true comparison is between what the Soviets did in Hungary in 1956 and what the U.S. is doing in Ukraine today. Evil empires should let the locals make their own decisions.
Go learn history before you post bullshit man
1956 --> Hungary's uprising against the BOLSHEVIK monsters (represented by the USSR)
2014 --> Ukraine against the NEW BOLSHEVIK monsters (represented by the USSA with the assists of NATO thugs)
*** I believe the people reside in the west Ukraine mostly will also vote in favor to get free from the Bolshevik oppression IF they are given such opportunity now as what the eastern regions did on May 11, 2014 and what the Crimean Peninsula had done earlier!
Some in the west of Polish origins may understandably vote to join with Poland; as well as the genuine supporters of Yats' Right Sector; Svoboda Neo-Nazi; Fatherlands that I have no doubt will choose to embrace the neo Bolsheviks while begging on the EU doorsteps for constant nutritional infusion :-)
You don't know too much about history, right? Then stop posting these silly comments. Anyone to think Putin is some freedom fighter compared to the West is stupid enough to buy ANY bullshit lie.
Lugansk region referendum results are 95% vote for independence from the US-appointed/controlled/supported Nazi Kiev regime.
...with more than 100% (pre-filled for Russia) turnout.
The only true electoral fraud being perperated is that which is being practised in the west.
Or is someone going to tell me that the austerity programs which are destroying people in Europe have been voted for without the assistance of political lies and media propaganda?
I didn't know that Russia and the separatists counted as "the West".
If it keeps going like this for much longer, poor Yats is going to be singing the "The Rump State Blues" while swizzling rot-gut Vodka in a back alley in Lviv behind a dive where the MILF Yulia Tymoshenko is pole dancing.
But all is not lost, at least Yats got to shake hands with the first African-American President of the USA. Hopefully he got a Selfie with Obama during the 30 second meeting. I'm sure Yats' Right Sector and Svoboda Neo-Nazi pals will gush all over him when he shows it to them.
"I voted against the Nazis in Kiev, which are supported by the U.S. and Europe. I voted for an independent Donbass," said the 63-year-old, referring to a largely pro-independence region in eastern Ukraine.
"In fact, I voted several thousand times against them!" went on the Donetsk man as he emptied a bag full of pre-signed ballots into the vote-box which he had forced open moments before.
That is good fairy tale but far from reality.
Comrade, you used that line "That is good fairy tale but far from reality." already on other posts.
Do you need an update to your English Language Response Bot?
Your capacitance for such speeching is extravaganza. But hey, when you get paid a nickel per post, well...
Far from YOUR reality - but that is still reality.
Do you realize just how fucking stupid you appear on here.
Don't you realize yet that the moment your fucking drivel is spotted the first thing that springs to mind is the faces of you trolls shills and cock suckers covered in the Kenyan monkeys jism.
There is little the United States can do directly to stop Russian aggression in Crimea. In many ways, the time for action would have been six years ago when Russian forces invaded Georgia, occupying and creating puppet states out of large swaths of Georgian territory, just 30 miles from Sochi, where Putin presided over the 2014 Winter Olympics. Had the United States recognized Russian aggression then and helped fortify other states in Russian crosshairs, Putin might have realized that there was consequence to his aggression.
The "Russian aggression in Crimea" that you write about is a fantasy. We overthrew the Ukraine elected government in the hope that the coup government we installed would rule the entire country. Guess what? The coup government was rejected by large parts of the country. One of those parts, Crimea, decided to join Russia. The only aggression is that of the U.S. Government when it helped overthrow the elected government.
Dear Ukraine,
They live there. It is theirs. They have decided to leave Ukraine. Just say goodbye.
Sincerely,
Anyone who realizes you won't win a war with Russia. You will need NATO to jump in and I gotta tell ya, NATO looks iffy and divided.
How's the weather in Moscow?
"What is happening in Donetsk and Lugansk does not make any sense,"said French president Francois Hollande"
Coming from a full retard buffoon socialist, this is almost hilarious. But I think he was serious.
operation gladio , Iran 1953 ,Vietnam Cambodia Laos , Iraq Afghanistan , at least 6 south American / central American countries
for all the noise about the old USSR i think the ussa has done more harm to the world than Stalin ever imagined in his worst nightmares
The problem is that the USSA has not existed in the past or present, much less to exist in the future.
gina, here's a more comprehensive list what the global bogeymen have been doing since WW2.
A Timeline of CIA Atrocities | By Steve Kangas
The following timeline describes just a few of the hundreds of atrocities and crimes committed by the CIA.
[...]
http://bit.ly/19KSBcd
History of Iran: A short account of 1953 Coup
Coup 53 of Iran is the CIA's (Central Intelligence Agency) FIRST successful overthrow of a foreign government.
Read the rest here:
http://www.iranchamber.com/history/coup53/coup53p1.php
Wars: CIA US War Script
http://rasica.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/wars-cia-us-war-script.jpeg
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Hmm... sounds familiar? . Read on...even the POTUS's mother was heavily involved in the Agency's operations... . http://www.thesecrettruth.com/obama.htm http://universalfreepress.com/girl-named-stanley-barry-sad-story/ http://www.voltairenet.org/article166741.html -- http://bitly.com/1exOO8uGood, now Vlad will you please send in some special ops in casual wear to kick some ass. I think 1000 should do it, ambush those POS in their APC's. A few smacks and they will go crying to Nuland.
Hmm, really hard choice to make here.
Option #1: Stick with Kiev, which has put far-right wing nutjobs in power after a violent foreign-backed coup. Keeping in mind that this government is up to its ass in debt and is relying on bailouts which will destroy quality of life
Option #2: Stick with / Join with Russia, which speaks the same language, built all of your industry in the first place, and can ensure quality of life without all that fucked up "austerity".
Gee, REALLY hard decision to make here.
Except that the austerity has already visited the Russian-occupied part of Ukraine called Crimea.
Unfortunately in this world we live in you have to make choices.
Basically for Ukrainian people there are only 3 choices.
1) Leave the Ukraine try to settle yourself and family some other place in the world more conducive to your life and well being.
2) Live in the Ukraine amongst friends and family and be run by a government controlled from Moscow, and run by a man although far from being ideal at least has logic and common sense on his side and doesn't spend half his time blowing cock on a golf course, and the other half getting blown by fat white faggots in the back of of a Limo whilst snorting lines.
3) Let a full weight psychopathic Kenyan monkey run the show, in utter thrall of genocidal crony capitalist degenerate cunts and insane power mad fuck wits in the NSA and CIA who are serially fucking him up the arse and who thoroughly enjoys it as long as they are shoving fucking bananas down his throat, and exhibiting the same kind of logic as a demented lemming standing on a cliff edge holding a 10 ton rock and with a noose around your neck tied to its fucking ankle.
As it salivates on seeing another banana being proffered by another stiff cock standing on the rocks below
Some on here obviously think option 3 is the best and who am I to argue with them.
for eastern ukraine regions there are only two choices
1) leave your property and emigrate to russia
2) fight to death with nazis defending your property
DAMICOL... I'm as open-minded as they come and twice as extreme. Especially when it comes to the recognition of the backwards bizarro clown-show the world stage has become. You, however, are dripping with hate in the most embarrassing fashion. Sounds like you got used like a pocket vagina by some big black guy. Go bounce on some cock you fuckstick.
Socialist cunt are you.??
Hope the noose to obummer is tight round your neck
Carl Bildt, the cunt who was heavily involved into situation in Balkans in nineties, is still working in politics.
I guess some people are just that good, you simply can't replace them, eh?
Eat a dick and fuck off, mister Bildt.
According to the separatists who organized these referendums - these referendums in Donetsk and Lugansk were not to join russia but to have more autonomy within Ukrain (federalization demands)
No escalation till the big event in Brazil is over.
Not surprised at this new farce, given all the fraud and thuggery from Moscow. That, and they have the gall to blame countries that, by comparison to the BRIC countries, are outright saintly.
The only way they could get this much is with the 500% voter turnout.
Facing the uncertainties of a revolving door in Kiev or the relative strongth of its ancient peoples is it little surprise of this recent outcome? Spending 35 billion of Russian aid and then running back with open arms at the first sign of the re-payment schedule is brilliant! It isn't a landgrab if there is a vote attached to it BRILLIANT
Do you want to know more about what is going on in Ukraine and what Kiev Fascists with the help of US and EU are doing to the Ukrainian people? Be aware, it's very graphic:" How the thugs killed Odessa inhabitants in Trade Unions House (18+)" It happened on May 2 in Odessa.On May 9 54+ policemen were burned alive by fascists "Pravy Sector" because they refused to shoot at people. By the way Ukrainian army is with people of Ukraine fighting against Kiev Nazi illegal coup. These videos will be removed soon to hide what crimes are done against civilians. MSM in US and EU is lying about everything in Ukraine. US put Fascists Junta to power . With US "blessings" people who don't support nazis are killed, strangled, mutilated , burned alive. Is it American "democracy"? Do you know that IMF and US agreed to give money to illegal fascist Kiev Junta only if People who don't support nazis will be "calm down" ( killed). And we are talking about 2/3 of Ukrainian civilians. Do you know that some Americans " troop" ( not russians) are in Ukraine, killing adults and children ? What are they doing here? Half of them already will never return home. By the way US government does not want to transport bodies to US. There are no Russian troops in Ukraine. West uses this slogan to escalate tension and push Russia to war. If you will watch these videos i Hope you will understand why East and South want independence. Can almost 10 million of people of Southeast be terrorists? Also, foreign journalists were present during referendum and were amazed by people's willingness to vote for independence. They did not see any violations and nobody forced civilians to vote. They just want to be alive and don't want to have Nazi regime. But fascism will be destroyed again. This is not Africa or Middle East. Watch out. By the way how do you call a government who implemented fascist regime in another country and support it and lies to the whole world and lies to it's own people? Fascist. Do you support Fascism? Soon those who are guilty of these crimes will face their own Nuremberg trial.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNxuz8Hucqg&feature=youtube_gda...
http://ersieesist.livejournal.com/813.html
You want to know more? read and watch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzoNePB0xK0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnH_2kJw55Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnH_2kJw55Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzoNePB0xK0