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Russia Retaliates: Blocks GPS, Bans US Use Of Its Rocket Engines
Just as Russia had promised, sanctions were not effective and so they went straight to targeted bans. On the heels of The Pentagon admitting that they had "no solution" to replacing Russian rocket engines in the launch systems for US military satellites (as we have covered extensively), Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin this morning announced:
- *ROGOZIN: RUSSIA TO HALT U.S. GPS BASES IN RUSSIA ON JUNE 1:IFX
- *RUSSIAN BAN ON ROCKET USE FOR US MILITARY SATELLITE LAUNCHES: IFX
He further added that Russia will not extend its partnership in the International Space Station beyond 2020 (which suggests Russia does not expect a quick resolution to the current tensions).
As RT reports,
Moscow is banning Washington from using Russian-made rocket engines, which the US has used to deliver its military satellites into orbit, said Russia’s Deputy PM, Dmitry Rogozin, who is in charge of space and defense industries.
According to Rogozin, Russia is also halting the operation of all American GPS stations on its territory from June 1.
Russia currently hosts 11 ground-based GPS stations, the Deputy PM said.
The move comes after the US refused to place a signal correction station for Russia’s own space-based satellite navigation system, GLONASS, on American territory, he explained.
This is a major problem for the US military because (as Bloomberg reports),
The Pentagon has no “great solution” to reduce its dependence on a Russian-made engine that powers the rocket used to launch U.S. military satellites, the Defense Department’s top weapons buyer said.
“We don’t have a great solution,” Frank Kendall, the undersecretary of defense for acquisition, said yesterday after testifying before a Senate committee. “We haven’t made any decisions yet.”
Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel ordered the Air Force to review its reliance on the rocket engine after tensions over Russia’s takeover of Ukraine’s Crimea region prompted questions from lawmakers about that long-time supply connection.
United Launch Alliance LLC, a partnership of Lockheed Martin Corp. and Boeing Co., uses the Russian-made RD-180 engine on Atlas V rockets.
As Putin warned - apparently correctly...
“The US is certainly one of the world’s leaders. At some point it seemed that it was the only leader and a uni-polar system was in place. Today it appears that is not the case. Everything in the world is interdependent and once you try to punish someone, in the end you will cut off your nose to spite your face,” he said.
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How is it that the US does not have it's own rocket engines and we need to rely on the russians? Whoever thought this was a good idea should be strung up.. At one time we were leaders in space technology.. now all we make is Angry Birds and Facebook..
angry birds..... in space.
owned.
Try to find out when was last US ICBM or SLBM produced, or tank M-1A Abrahms... or age of airframes of US airforce in service.
Very iteresting area with a lot of surprizes is capacity of uranium enrichment for US nuclear stations or how are the things at Los Alamos...
Eye opening revolations guaranteed.
So, where do you find the answers to those questions?? 'cause i'd be interested to know.
I'd start with Wiki..) or Google)
This is from the wiki and is indicative of everything that is jacked about this:
"The military planned to close the M1 Abrams factory in Ohio from 2013 to 2016 to save over US$1 billion. In 2017 the plant would reopen to upgrade existing tanks. The downside to the three-year plant closing is the loss of the skilled human capital required to build the M1. These types of job skills must be learned on the job as the building is too unique to offer any type of educational program in a trade school environment.[40]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_M1_Abrams#Production
You missed a little... (from the same sorce) "About 6000 M1A1 Abrams were produced from 1986–92" last tank was produced in 1992!!! the rest of it (from your text) "upgrade"...
I was not making a comment on when the program was shut down. It was a comment about the stupidity of shutting and reopening the facility to do the next series of block updates. Short term thinking at it's finest. Save a billion by shutting it down, spend 1.5 in reopening costs.
You forgot virtual farms there my friend. The US is even trading shares on Nasdaq for a company that produces VIRTUAL FARMLAND, to produce virtual potatoes and virtual lettuce. If George Washington turns in his grave for every stupid move that this country is making, he probably turned into a fucking drilling machine by now.
Good thing we saved a bunch of money by outsourcing our rocket engine development and production. Brilliant!
Maybe there's a green option we can use - you know, wind or solar powered satellite launch systems.
+1 on the wind or solar green progressive solution
Grass fed bombs.
Because Obama!
That explains the Bundy affair...
FFS - /sarc
NASA must be laughing their asses off! For 30 years they have been eating shit and enduring budget cuts. How do we like it now? Good thing we used all that money to pay the AIG bonuses.
You could, but, if you fly to close to the sun your wings will melt off.
“The US is certainly one of the world’s leaders. At some point it seemed that it was the only leader and a uni-polar system was in place. Today it appears that is not the case. Everything in the world is interdependent and once you try to punish someone, in the end you will cut off your nose to spite your face,” he said.
Does this sound like something Putznik will comprehend?
I am not sure he is going to even be told what he said. There are so many important other details... fundraisers to attend to.
This is the full Putin's talk at a Security Conference in Germany in 2007. Breathtaking. After watching this it must be clear why USG is attacking him that hard.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlY5aZfOgPA
yes. +100
Putin = chess
Obama = tiddlywinks
DavidC
"Negotiating with Obama is like playing chess with a pigeon. The pigeon knocks over all the pieces, shits on the board and then struts around like it won the game."
This is not something that money cannot solve.
Expect MIC budget to increase substantially.....
So they can what? Import some parts from China and monkey together a rocket engine?
Or Israel does it and sells it to the USA for 10x cost.
You seem to think that functionality is the goal.
The MIC has its own goal and it is the continuation of the MIC.
It will have to double at a minimum. It may take as much as a quintuple. Unlesssss, we could implement ORocketCare. The new Affordable Rocket Plan. All Americans will have until Christmas 2014 to sign up for one share of ORocketCare.
But, but, I thought US technlogy was so far ahead of the world. That's what the TV tells me.
Those stupid Russkies, GPS isn't important cuz everyone knows the world is flat and the sun revolves around the United States of America. As for the rockets, the US can just pull space shuttle Discovery out of the Smithsonian and strap on some surplus warp drives from the Star Trek prop department. These pointless Commie sanctions will have no effect on American plans to drill the moon for cheese.
USA!!! USA!!!
Funny as phuk 813
Space exploration is no laughing matter. Based on analysis of Moon rocks, there is strong evidence of Havarti just below the Moon's moldy exterior. The US could have made drilling efforts much easier by creating a wormhole, but that would pose a perception problem when marketing the cheese for export.
NASA scientists were able to make Mars exploration feasible with a few simple revisions to their calculations. Previous estimates placed Mars at approximately 34 million miles from Earth. Fortunately, mathematicians on loan from the Bureau of Labor Statistics were able to pull Mars within a few thousand kilometers by converting to the metric system.
As everyone knows, Mars has been baking in the hot sun for 5999 years because the Earth borrowed its atmosphere. That means the crackers just below its surface are ready for extraction, US scientists are anxious to test for water because they could be in danger of going stale. The Mars Rover is busy rooting out the best mining sites, much like a pig sniffing for truffles.
Moon cheese and Mars crackers are the best hopes of pulling the US economy out of its slight recession.
You need to pay closer attention to your 'shroom harvesting....
The German Rocket Scientists you kidnaped from Germany after WWII are all dead now, it never was American to begin with, so don't expect anything but convoluted rockets from NASA. (big dumb boosters the USA just can't do, it's got to be complicated to the point of hardly ever working)
The thoughtful long games always beats the tantrums of the sound bite players.
We have our own rocket...it's called the Dow Jones. I've even heard it can cure cancer and create unlimited energy.
The DOW and S&P are perpetual Wall Street bonus making machines.
Now what, obozo? You plan to fund nasa to develop new rocket technology while half our country is in poverty? This is some pretty shit we're in now, buddy boy
Nancy from Bombay will be speaking at you soonly
that RESET button just RESHAT itself.
Good thing POSident Barry Oblowhard cut space funding and set NASA out on its true mission: religious outreach.
How will these blackwater/xe/greystone/academi people now get their coordinates in Ukraine?
Pull over and ask directions.
Film at 11
Hmmmm, bet the Elon Musk Space X company is looking mighty good investment right now.
I just hope the 4 pack of triple A batteries can get us high enough. Nothing worse than a GPS satellite on a pole in your back yard.
I am shocked.
When you are dumb as a rock you got to be tough.
Yeah, too bad most Americans are pussies. Sounds like we're fucked.
Fuck the Russians. Bunch of low-life cheats.
Maybe so, but have you noticed the 23 trillion dollar bank robbery that happned right under our noses in the good old U.S.S.of A? Nobody cheats like our low-life cheats. We're number one again! Fuck yeah Merika! Pass me a Bud light.
Amateur low-life cheats. We got gangs running this country now that are so far ahead of the Russians that they are hardly deseving of even honorable mention.
I guess that's the sort of blind raging butthurt being experienced by neocons everywhere at the moment.
Please dish em up some more, Vlad!
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Party plank du jour.
I am so glad we elected the Smartest People in the Room (tm) to lead and protect us.
The "deep state" is in a catchh 22...they want the Obama's and Bush puppets in place for control, but then they lack actual patriotic leadership. They might actually promote Rand to buy themselves some more time before they bring in a drag queen or something.
RuPaul. Hey, he's a "Paul".
"I am so glad we elected the Smartest People in the Room (tm) to lead and protect us."
Sort of like hiring a judis goat to lead the flock to a safe pasture
everyone said snowden was crazy for going to russia....doesnt look so crazy now. looks like he knew something more than we did at the time.
Well, not that big an oversight is it? I mean, how long can it possibly take to train a generation of engineers and technicians to design, build, test and deploy a new fleet of reliable rockets? 2, maybe 3 months?
And a couple million bucks?
Seems Dubya made a prediction like that once....10 years and a trillion dollars later, we are at last leaving - mission accomplished.
2 months tops. Just get a few more H1-B's. You know, those brilliant guys and gals who live in a rat infested sewer with no indoor plumbing or electricity.
Another good reason why the US policy to allow manufacturing and other strategic initiatives outside our boarders was flat wrong. Trade our safety for profits....but the TSA gets to feel us up whenever they feel like it.
We are a service based economy now. Even the McD's fry cooks are heating Argintinian beef patties.
Might wanna use quotes around beef.
pods
And cooks.
It may come from Argentina, but beef it is not.
Don't worry, Elon Musk will build new engines.
If his rockets are anything like his cars, you can expect plenty of fireworks (and flames).
“We haven’t made any decisions yet.”
Well Vlad just made the decision for you, no more rocketry for you.
use mentos and coca-cola to launch satellites
you can buy the kit at Walmart.....made in china.
An American made rocket won't work worth shit. But they will market the hell out of it and sell it to uncle sam for an enormous profit.
We "The Dutch" will let you use our Mentos.
We do not ban anything in this country.
Yes, finally, a workable solution made in the USA.
Thanks for showin' up Asst Sec of State Victoria (F.U.) Nuland (nee: Nudleman) Kagan! I honestly don't know what the 'F' we would have done without 'ya! May you die a slow and painful death!
"...you will cut off your nose to spite your face."
"I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale." - TJ
A scapegoat is not required to identify the source of USA's unravelling.
Obama's going to start a hashtag #USARocketEngine and solve the problem overnight.
#BringBackOurRocketEnginges
#BringBackOurOusourcedJobs
#BringBackNASA
#GimmeBackMyBullets
Since Google uses all that geo information..make them pay for it....
Goodbye GPS Neutrality...
"The Pentagon has no “great solution” to reduce its dependence on a Russian-made engine that powers the rocket used to launch U.S. military satellites, the Defense Department’s top weapons buyer said."
uh,maybe build your own?
:)
Difficult choise, rocket engines for usefull sattelites or new Obamachoppers.
What to choose, what to choose.
They already can build their own - unfortunately, they are far less powerful than the Russian models and sometimes can not deliver heavy military packages. To start from scratch manufacturing new engines will take a few years to catch up.
We forgot how. All we have now is a pen and a phone.
and a RESET button you FORGOT the reset button!!!!
sheesh.
get with the program Kprime, send hillary over and all will be good in 20 minutes tops!!!
So the US wants us to believe they put a man on the moon in 69 but for some reasons they are unable to get a satellite into the orbit in 2014... hmm sure thing
Maybe we are lucky and some of the tv sats collide in space so we finally will get rid of fox news.
moon conspiracy types are usually just government funded trolls. or paid by someone.
it's too hard work to be that stupid for free.
go somewhere else troll.
In 1969 the US had a real manufacturing industry and engineers that could do quick calcuations off the top of their heads. Now we have engineers from India and we have outsourced everything possible except wiping my ass.
The engineers in 1969 were still Germans, brought back from WWII. The US rocket program running in parallel failed completely. Those engineers are all gone, and with budget cuts the past 20 years nobody left to replace them.
You didn't make that rocket..
That's right Obummer.
Maybe there's an App or a Facebook add-on that can be used instead of the Russian engines.
Maybe some FED monetary policy initiatives can fix this issue.
Wait till Putin finds out we can print money. That will have him......hmmm
EXACTLY! This is my point exactly! How can people POSSIBLY compare something as trivial technological and industrial capability with the ability to add electronic 0s to a ledger in a computer somewhere?!? Putin doesn't even understand the world of hurt he's opened for himself! Wait until the FED does some kind of cool new QE thing! Putin'll be so fucked he'll wish he'd never HEARD of Crimea!
Send in Lance Armstrong for a pep talk!
#LiveYellow
Doesn't the US get uranium from Russia to power them nuclear power plants? Why don't they sanction that.
No more gaz for Europe and no more for uranium for the US....bitchez.
I think that Canada is a big uranium producer.
Maybe one of the PhDs at the investment banks could come up with an new collateralized debt derivative that could be used to launch satellites into space.
2 decades of cooperation thrown out the window do to this fuck face president
I don't think it is BHO's fault. The deterioration of the U.S.-Russian Federation relationship has been going on for a while, e. g. NATO's attack on Yugoslavia, Georgian invasion of South Ossetia, etc. Imho, it has to do with the 'Deep State' rather than the President of the U.S.
He's just a stupid puppet. The script needs an emperor to make things simpler for the proles.
Vlad will tit-for-tat to the end of the earth, literally, when he pushes the big red "mutually assured self destruction" button. Do NOT fuck with him, Barry. He will do it. And it will be your fault, Barry. Yes, your fault.
Barry thinks the big red button is how he gets new pens from staples. He doesn't really know how any of it works. Who do you think they invented auto flush toilets for? That idiot doesn't even know how to wipe his own ass.
Vlad is too cool headed and smart to make a dumb move like that. He and the Chinese know the US is self destructing fast enough. All he has to do is wait it out.
They can keep pushing for a new reserve currency. They can build their own swift system. Eventually the debt and decay will bury the US.
Does Nuland have a coookie for this?!
When Putin says nat gas must be bought in Rubles, you really don't want to be in USD. And it is coming. All those "crazy people" who have warning about the USD losing global status will be proven right yet another obvious prediction that normalcy bias will not allow sheep to contemplate. We don't make anything here. No one needs USD.
We don't make anything here
Not true, many of the finest quality debt products in the world are manufactured in the USA. And social media apps, lots of social media apps. And reality TV, let's not forget about that. And also MANY MANY fast food products - burgers, fries, Gorditas, KFC double downs, supersized Big Gulps....
I stand corrected. Putin still needs USD to import Big Macs.
good point, and until america gets off its collective ass and becomes a net exporter of goods and services instead of being an importer, things dont look to great
Democrat Unions demand $46/hr to sweep up, because laying on your fat ass and collecting welfare and benefits pays you 36K a year......so when do you think Big Bidness is coming back?
Good point - better just to pay the masters-of-the universe fuckheads 8 or 9 figure salaries and bonuses and outsource all the dirty work.
Don't forget ye. Merkans have APPLE.
They make like totally awesome! Super cool techy stuff.
I can see it now...
The I-spaceship.( made in suicide net factory in china)
Fucking thing will automatically update on the launch pad at t-8 seconds and go wherever the fuck it wants to go.
Sure, where in the hell are they going to get their duck calls now? And what about their Kardashian updates?? When they realize just how difficult it is to hunt Kardashian ducks they will come crawling back!
What about those Amish faux fireplaces? How will they stay warm this winter? I bet we could swap 20 Amish fireplace builders for one huge rocket.
The US of A has the use of the Delta IV and the Delta IV Heavy.
Its a more expensive but also a more capable launcher then the Atlas.
finally the truth
We can clearly see the function of the new cold war is to renationalize production.
This war won't be cold. The US thinks it can win. But DC will be an ash heap in the first 30 seconds.
http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1001206,00.html
If that happens (DC=ash), the elites will already be safely living in underground cities under the Rocky Mountains.
Or not...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kR2IarjjmxE
They could already be infiltrated.
Or the Yellowstone supervolcano might be activated.
So let's make this a win win. DC gets incinerated, the pols bury themselves underground in the Rockies, and Yellowstone blows up to seal them in a Rocky Mountain ash grave. Be still my beating heart !
Perhaps - but I don't buy it.
getting back to the Delta IV - the production plant for its core engines can produce 50 ~ a year at max production.
However as a result of labour arbitrage or the stripping of the former Soviet union of its spare parts this production plant does not operate at anything like its full capacity......this results in a much higher rocket engine unit cost........etc etc.
We may be seeing a reversion back to some sort of new Fordism in the US of A.
The company that intiallly implemented the Oblowme Care website will probably get the contract for designing rockets - that OUGHT to be a hoot; and by the way, put one of Biden's kids on the board just for shits and giggles.....
Just asking :
Are the US ICBMs also Russia Rockets ?
;-)
No, the US is only using Russian rockets because they are much cheaper than a bloated Gub'ment agency making our own.
No. But they are not heavy lift either.
I comb thru the science websites every day to see what's up and am floored by the rapid new advancements and discoveries is why I find this article so hard to swallow. On the other hand those websites do a lot of global warming bs and nuclear energy promotions along with what I wonder are psyops to shake up China and Russia...and other tech that is over hyped by somebody looking for grant money.
It's not like a US company couldn't reverse engineer that Russian Rocket Engine. The question is only, should they? A couple of little tweeks and the Americans are back in space... if they really want to be there.
Every dollar put into space exploration is a dollar they cannot loot from the American treasury.
Every tax dollar...Is a dollar robbed from the taxpayer and industry investment in space exploration w/out govt strings attached and gives the govt greater control over that technology and hence over the taxpayers.
Think of it this way. It would be little difficulty to encase the circuitry for rocket-control in plastic, or some insulator, then encase that in any other number of metals.
The purpose: now you can't easily x-ray it and if you try to take it apart, you'll ruin it completely.
That nixes reverse-engineering perhaps except for the most cautious & determined. Add reservoirs for corrosive chemicals opened only on cutting/grinding to reverse engineer and you're done.
Then combine this with a low-cost offer so Murrikinz get lazy and forget how to make such things while buying from their Russian provider and suddenly after enough years you have no engineers left with practical experience making the damn things.
As for global warming, if you buy into the hoax that it's a hoax, you can't read a thermometer.
Danger Will Robinson!
So how big a deal is the GPS thing? Anyone know?
My guess is no big deal. It is just made to make sure the US wont be able to use GPS guiding missile against russia.
They never could. The moment war breaks out, GPS will be jammed.
Will I still be able to check-in on Facebook???????????????
Who cares, just as long as they don't ban export of vacuum tubes.
Fellow guitar player?
The war is going well, comrades...
for the other side.
The New-S-S-R versus the U-S-S-A.
Popcorn time!
News reports that Putin scored 6 goals are incorrect - looks to me like he scored 7.
If rockets could fly with bullshit....
It's ok, I think now that the cold weather of Q1 is behind us, we'll see rocket launch capability pick up substantially in Q2.
And fucktard America learns nothing from this, as we continue to build reliance on China for spare military parts.
The purpose is to destroy America and Americans and they're doing a bang-up job.
“ Everything in the world is interdependent and once you try to punish someone, in the end you will cut off your nose to spite your face,” he said.
Since merely cutting the nose off our collective face wasn't working so well, State Dept. has decided to employ a couple of slabs of the C4 that they're procuring.
I bet Obama is one step ahead of Putin -
Most likely working a deal with North Korea to use their rockets.
This is an opportunity for domestic industry. Perhaps Elon Musk will step up.
America pays more to tick and leech Americans who lay on their asses all day smoking crack, than most countries pay their manufacturing workers for putting in a ten hour day.
Good luck with that.
We better start reverse engineering one of the last Russian Rocket engines NASA must have on the shelf, or our modern way of life could be seriously degraded in 3-6 years.
Cue up some caution for any Europe based yield chasers : getting in bed with a bank sub where mom is a Babuska -> CD's (higher yielding fiat-tieups) are NOT repeat NOT covered under the so-called deposit protection scheme in Europe. The latter needless to say hasn't been tested much (yet) as no bank has really failed in a long time. Do your own translation - the Deutsch words are what really count here: http://bankenverband.de/service/einlagensicherung
LOlz after ...
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France Rejects Blocking Mistral Warship Sale to Russia
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