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European Voters Are Revolting; France Warns "Situation Is Grave For Europe"
Just as we had warned in the run-up to the European elections - and England's UKIP victory in local elections had suggested; Anti-European-Union parties are showing strongly in this weekend's elections. Anxiety is spreading among the status quo as Greece's anti-austerity party SYRIZA wins and perhaps even more worryingly in supposed core of the union France's Nationalist party is leading in a "political earthquake" success:
- EUROPEAN GOVERNMENTS MUST RESPOND TO CITIZENS' ANGER: VALLS
- FRANCE'S VALLS SAYS 'SITUATION IS GRAVE FOR FRANCE, EUROPE'
- DRAGHI SAYS PEOPLE VOTING ACROSS EUROPE ARE CLEARLY DISENGAGED
Disengaged? - or totally pissed off with promises that never materialize and wealth that only trickles down to the uber-richest and uber-elitest.
No wonder France is worried...
#France - Ipsos seat projection: Front National 23-25 seats, UMP 18-21, Socialist Party 13, UDI/MoDem 6-8. #EP2014 pic.twitter.com/Md0BX39jFS
— Open Europe (@OpenEurope) May 25, 2014
Anti-establishment parties were gaining ground in other parts of the EU too (following UKIP's lead in the UK).
In France, exit polls setting the anti-immigrant, far right National Front up for its first success in a national election.
In Greece, exit polls had the far-left SYRIZA party leading with 26-30 per cent of the vote, ahead of the ruling conservative New Democracy Party. SYRIZA, whose leader, Alexis Tsipras, is running for European Commission president, has campaigned vociferously against the austerity that was part of the EU's response to its economic crisis.
In Austria, the right-wing FPOe came in third with 20 per cent, while the anti-immigrant Danish People's Party was set to take the biggest share of the vote in that Nordic country, according to exit polls and initial projections.
In Finland, the anti-immigrant True Finns party was projected to win two of the country's 13 seats in the European Parliament, adding one seat to its previous tally.
In Germany, the far-right National Democratic Party - which has many overtly neo-Nazi supporters - could be on course to win its first seat in the legislature, according to projections. Germany's anti-euro Alternative fuer Deutschland (AfD) is also set to make its debut in the parliament after capturing 6.5 per cent of the German vote, a public television exit poll showed.
In Belgium: *FLEMISH NATIONALISTS LEAD IN BELGIAN ELECTION, 1ST RESULTS SHOW
But it's not just France, Anti-EU parties are winning across Europe...
h/t @WikiGuido
Who coulda seen that coming?
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And so the propoganda begins...
- DRAGHI SAYS PEOPLE VOTING ACROSS EUROPE ARE CLEARLY DISENGAGED
- *SCHAEUBLE SAYS EU VOTE SHOWS 'WE CAN KEEP WORKING' ON EUROPE
- *SCHAEUBLE SAYS SUPPORT FOR ANTI-EURO PARTY DIDN'T INCREASE
Umm - yeah it did... but when it gets serious - you have to lie!!!
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I acknowledge that you indeed pointed that out.
Not sure if sarcasme or... lol
Actually, De Wever's standpoint on Europe was: "no comment"
Let,s just hope we won't be without a government for another 500 days now and that the CDnv wants to join in a coalition...
I'll take no government but 3 queens. Much less damaging.
Actually he did comment friday live on the TV, his words : I want europe to have more control over flanders, yada yada yada I would support a united European Army.
So yeah, there's that.
As if to suggest the Germans and Italians could march to the same drum. That is laughable.
So it can happen two times in the last 100 years but, three times is just crazy talk?!
They'll need an axis for their drums to really get it rolling though.
(Oh man, that was awful nmewn)
Twice? Ostensibly it was three times already (NATO?) and 2 of those didn't work out so well. Be assured that they never considered each other equals, ever.
I am not saying that disparate army's can't be allied. I am saying that they are not, and likely never will, be equal at warfare.
It's on their website:
the N-VA a pro-Europe party? Without a doubt. The N-VA wants a stronger Flanders and a stronger Europe. After all, more and more challenges are arising in this globalised world that we must deal with at a supranational level. The macro level for us is the European Union. Competences that require a supranational approach must therefore be transferred to the European level (i.e. currency, defence, migration, internal market, energy, etc.).So, everything of importance is decided in EU. And that's supposed to be a NATIONALISTIC party? People are stupid, they only hear slogans, but never investigate what's behind the scenes.
"So, everything of importance is decided in EU"
not quite. this is only the NVA manifesto, their requests, not a factual description of the status quo
look at facts. Flanders is a Nation, but not a nation-state, because it's federated into Belgium
Flanders independentists, like many secessionists in Europe, want independence from their national unions, not necessarily from the EU
as you found out, it's just the matter of reading what they write on their websites
Thought you were going to start off with:
"As a Belgian - I like dark chocolate, fruit-flavored beer, waffles, Brussels sprouts..."
fruit flavored beer? THAT'S FOR KIDS!!!
Up my FAFSA Draghi motha fukka. Thank you for stealing your nations tax dollars and sending them to me so I can type on ZH comments and go to UCLA.
Long live Putin, Xi and me.
WE ARE VERY, VERY PISSED OFF.......
And so you will elect the other party, sit back, and hope for change. Good luck with that.
After all, it went so very well in the US.
Your coffee is getting cold.
re European Voters Are Revolting
Yes - they certainly are (showering might help).
Right, because I would much rather have someone laced up in assorted perfumes and chemicals.
ya know...just thinkin' out loud here. (NSA can fuck off and all, of course).
But has anybody just asked the question: Do we need government??????????????????
See, I don't think we do. I'm civilized. Are you civilized? If a civilized person has to deal with an uncivilized person how do you think it'll work out?
I have a couple "radical" theories on that. They may or may not agree with each other. If they do not agree then one or the other is going to have to fight and the other is going to have to defend themself.
Is government needed in any of this? I say absolutely fucking not.
Could one person or the other die from an altercation between civilized and uncivilized? Yep. Who better knows right from wrong? Uncivilized people or civilized people?
In all our experiece over our lifetimes how many times have we had to deal with uncivilized people? Hopefullly, not very many times. But don't we all have to keep that in the back of our minds how to defend ourselves just in case we come face to face with a violent situation or altercation that we will deal with that piece of shit right there without thinking of government or police???? We have the right to carry a weapon...what should or does "government" have to do with any of that??? Fuck them.
Hmmm....okay....if we agree on that, then let me just ask then...how has any way, shape, or form of "government" made any difference when it comes to our expericences of an altercation, dispute, issue, fight, disagreement, etc.???
Since we have the Constitution and Bill of Rights, which is damn near perfect, why do we need anything else? We have our rights, liberty and freedom under God. Fuck the rest of anybody else.
We've already established our soverign nation and our freedom. If others haven't achieved it then that's not our business. They can work it out on their own. They can follow our standard or just live it out as slaves.
But we're all living under a false freedom...we're living as debt slaves because of government and evil, greedy banksters. We need to throw them all off just as the Bill of Rights says.
If other countries can't do it or won't do it then that's their problem. But we're the only country on the planet who knows how to do it because we already did before! We've lost it though and need to teach the rest of us that we're free and don't need government!
And it takes a civilized society to understand the nature of "natural" law, right? And those who don't believe in or disregard natural law get what they have comin' to them, right? They get dead. They get treated appropriately, right? They get what they need comin' to them; be it a beatin' or a hangin'. That's life and death if you choose to live life amonst the rest of us like an asshole, right?
So.
Again, I will ask. What good is government? What good are elections? Aren't we all just trying to vote for the lesser of two evils? What good are these authoritarian scumbags? I sure can't see any good in their existence, can you? Do they make a good, positive difference in your life? Do you really, actually feel you need those people to exist so that you can live your life, take care of yourself and you family, or deal with disputes amongst others?
Yeah, I know there are some of you who will dispute all of this. Fine. I get the fact that we do need laws and we need enforcement of laws. But then again at the same time, those who don't care and disregard the laws...even the laws of penalty of death don't seem to care one fucking bit. They don't give a shit, do they? No matter how much "government" we all have, those who don't care what-so-ever in the consequences will still act however they want.
So what does that leave us with as a choice? I'd like to say it's called "self government". We can deal with those stupid assholes ourselves, right? Can we not? Would any of you say "No."??????????
I sure fucking hope not. We can all defend ourselves. We can all admininster common law against those who would violate it. We don't need government. We don't need to elect douche-bag, sociopaths who "act" like they care about life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, when all they really care about is themselves and being re-elected.
We're all good people. We all have the abiliity in this day and age to deal with our own problems without needing government. I know the socialist, marxist, collectivist, scumbag, authoritarians like to try and scare and convince us that we need them in order to keep the peace and an orderly society.
But that's a fucking lie. It's the biggest deception ever invented, people!!!!!!!! It's a scam. Just like how the monetary system is a massive Ponzi scheme.
Look, peeps...the wheels are coming off this whole illusion. We're too far advanced to keep falling for this scam of needing government and their authoritarian rules. It's all a big rip off and we know who benefits from it: government, banksters, and those insiders who know how to play the game and scam the rest of us.
Well that's not a civilized society, because the longer this goes on the more they realize we're all waking up to this entire scam and revolting against it.
So we know it's all going to end eventually. Not just the criminal, enslaving debt monetary system, but also the criminal law and government system!
It's all a fucking scam. We have to change our way of thinking and get away from their way of government and commerce. It's all set up for them, not us. We're just their slave pawns in their grand scheme of things.
Voting? Fuck that. Stop voting and none of the sociopaths can win, right? What will they all do then...order the military to take power or fight us? How can "they" do that if we haven't voted for them to have that power and control?
We don't need them. The biggest problem with our free-market, capitalist system is GOVERNMENT!!! We don't need them. Free market means no government, no taxes, no IRS, no Federal Reserve.
We don't need any of them.
Do we need to be able to fight? Yes. Do we need to be able to defend ourselves from others who would try to fuck with us? Yes. But why do we need government? I know it's touch to wrap the brains around because it's been "brainwashed" into us.
But after the past several hundreds of years and where we are at now I think what we're facing is government realizing it's obsolesence which is why they keep causing wars, false flags, etc., etc.
They want us to believe we need them in order to exist because they are a few things: liars, authoritarians, and worthless in a real free-market society. They have no skills! Can they fix anything? Can they build anything? Do they want to do either of those things? NO. FUCKING NO!
They won't and can't do those things because they would rather control our lives and live off of us like cancerous leaches! They are pathetic people who have no worth to a civilized society that we could have if we didn't have to deal with scumbag sociopaths like the politi-scum.
We don't need them. We actually need to exterminate them. Yes...that's right, I said it. Fuck them. They don't want us to exist, so fuck them. Why should we feel bad for wanting to rid the world of people like them???
What's the difference? Do you all know the term "Democide"??? It's defined as death by government. Over the last 100+ years government has been the cause of over 250,000,000 (million) people!!!
Would any of us have caused that??? Yeah, that's what I thought...the answer is "No".
And don't forget that they want to kill 90% of the human race! They're sociopaths and psychopaths. They want to kill 630 Billion people so that THEY can live in what they would call "peace" on Earth.
WHAT...............THE............FUCK!???? Does that sound normal to any of you????????? Hope not. Sure fucking doesn't to me!!!!!!!!
So again, as I said...who the fuck needs government?????? Only the scum rise to the top. And those who aren't scum are only the 1% and they either get corrupted or kicked out or killed.
What the fuck else do I have to fucking say to get people to understand this shit?????
They want to fight? Well then let's fucking fight. They're just a bunch of fucking pussies who "claim" to hate guns and violence, yet they would sick our own military on us!!!??? LOL
And we're supposed to be scared of them???? Fuck that. Fuck them. In America we have like 330 million people. The criminal mafia homicidal psycho government has like 250 thousand scumbags. We have at least 200 million guns. We have at least 3 billion rounds of ammo.
And we don't have to ever take any shit ever again from anybody.
Yes, in their terms I'm an evil, racist, biggot, radical, enemy.
Well...they're wrong. I am only an enemy to them. Most definitely and for fucking sure!!!!!
We don't have to eradicate them all. Only about 99% of them. The rest are the good guys and gals who aren't or haven't been corrupted yet. But that's the beauty of the plan. Once this criminal governmnet is wiped out we won't need the 1% who were actually trying to help us.
All those people who think they need government are pussies and douche bags who cant hack life their own. Well last time I checked, the Constitution doesn't provide for little bitches who can't survive on their own. Only the Communist Manifesto does by nefarious pretences.
Wake up peeps! Wake others up too! We don't need them. They are scum. It's all a fucking scam. Free market doesn't need government...
THAT'S THE FUCKING POINT AND WHY WE HAVE A CONSTITUTION!
Freedom...Liberty...Private Property...The Right To Defend Yourself...Freedom Of Speech!!!
Everyone else who doesn't believe in that is a fucking loser, scumbag, commie and they can FUCK OFF!!!
Nice rant.
Government IS THE PROBLEM.
A lot less keystrokes!
Thanks man...I appreciate the reply. Less keystrokes??? shit....I could go on and on from where I left off. LOL :-)
That was just the intro to a book for me. And I most sincerely hope all the loser scumbags of the NSA, IRS, CIA, FBI, TSA, DHS, etc. read it word for word. Hopefully the ones who are on the side of freedom and liberty will speak up and do whatever they can to take the system down. Be a whistleblower like Snowden!
Those in government who took offense to it....well, fuck you, you little treasonous bitches. Keep monitoring ZH all you want. Try to come after me you commie, marxist, treasonous, scumbags.
Just call me McCarthy and I will route you out for the commie, fascist, treasonous, marxists that you are. Fuck you, douche bags. Fuck you.
"Those in government who took offense to it....well, fuck you, you little treasonous bitches."
That is some quality vitriol. Thanks for injecting that into the Memorial Day weekend. Cheers mate!!
My grandfather is 91 years old. Was a gunner on the Navy destroyer Wilson in World War II.
He's still alive and his life has been amazing, but luckily he's still alive. And if he had died in WWII I wouldn't be alive. Would I fight in a just war? You're fucking right I would! But he sure as hell doesn't think any of our wars over the last hundred years were just other than WWII against the NAZIs and the Japanese.
And after everything we should know because of the interwebs we know that ALL WARS ARE BANKSTERS WARS. It's just banksters and as Eisenhower stated, the Military Industrial Complex.
Who has invaded America other than Mexicans due to our own treasonous government???
This shit's easy people...the dots aren't that hard to connect at this point. We have all the tools and the knowledge, don't we?
But I realize it can't be reversed. I'd like to battle with them, but it's obvious that isn't going to happen at this point.
So I'm a stacker and a prepper. And I know and hope all of you are as well. The only way to change this shit is to let it collapse and then fight our asses off to make sure that we make it right on the other side.
And keep stacking food, water, supplies, Ag, Au, and definitly lead/copper and lead/copper delivery systems! ;-)
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If you check a little closer, you'll find that WW2 was not justified either. A "justified" war is a when a large number of individuals invade and attempt to destroy your part of the planet, and the appropriate response is for all individuals to hunt down the destroyers (in their area) and kill them.
Anything beyond that is simply a fraud in which some powerful rich folks get other fools to fight wars that benefit those rich folks. PERIOD.
honestann, by your logic the allies should have stopped at the German border at the end of 1944. Only problem is that would have left a few million "guest workers" that had been conscripted from all over Europe to work for the Germans stuck in Germany. Plus a million or so POWs,plus those in concentration camps.
Behind that border Hitler and the other socialists could of perfected the V3 rocket and other ICBMs, advanced jet aircraft, the nuclear bomb, advanced submarines etc and started round 2 by 1948 as the largest and most technologically advanced military power in the world.
In every horror movie the only time the killer/zombie is truly finished is when the hero blows the head of the wounded bad dude or runs repeatedly over him after knocking him down. You never let the enemy have a chance to come back for a bigger and badder sequel.
First of all, get rid of terms like "the Allies". That clumps together countries that may have been directly invaded by Germany with others that just happen to be nearby with others (like the USA) that is 3000+ miles away!
The USA should never have done ANYTHING in WW2... including entice the Japanese to bomb Pearl Harbor, which they most certainly did. If you don't believe that, remember that I lived in Hawaii for a long time, and have seen headlines of the Hawaii newspapers a few days before Pearl Harbor that say "Japan Expected to Attack by Monday" (for example). Some "Surprise Attack"!!!
However, if any individual WANTED to fly to Europe or the Pacific and fight whoever they considered "the bad guys", they could do so. To force everyone to pay for WW2, and send millions to kill and be killed, was typical predatory criminality.
I can't say I know every in and out of Germany and every other country in the 1940s, however I can assure you that history is written by the victors, and ONLY by going back and reading the entire variety of newspapers and articles and government documents written BEFORE and during WW2 can anyone even get a slight idea of what were the various motivations. I do not intend to claim I know enough to untangle the mess, but I do know one reason the world wanted to pile on Germany was... because they refused to let [central] bankers control the country, so the banksters had other countries pile on.
I think we have a new Theodore John "Ted" Kaczynski in the making.
If his rant was any longer he'd almost have a manifesto.
what does anything I said have to do with Ted Kaczynski? That sounds exactly like a government response to try and label me or anyone else as a "domestic terrorst". False flag B.S.
Ted was actually part of a government program which caused him to act out which was beneficial to the M.I.C. and "government" so that they could steal more of our freedom and liberty.
If you think I'm on that side of things then you're just another sheep with your head up your ass. But I'm sure you can tell us all who won dancing with stars and what the latest is on kim kardashian.
Have a nice life.
That might have been a compliment.
okay...I see what yer sayin'....but I guess I didn't see it as a compliment. So I'll just let him tell me one way or the other if it was or not.
thanks man.
All should watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-0BPMwgKNA
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He just wanted a reason to use the word manifesto. It's fun to say. manifffessssto.
The good news: government doesn't exist. The bad news: human predators who call themselves "the government" get to brainwash kids for 12 to 20 years, at which point their brains have been habituated to believe the obvious blatant fiction called "government" is more real and fundamental than physical reality.
Seriously, think about it. A couple dozen dudes sit around a table, debate with each other for a while, then smear ink on paper, then smear more ink on paper at the bottom (their "signatures").
Question: What actually happened?
Answer: Humans smeared ink on paper.
Question: Did anything else happen?
No. Nothing real popped into existence when the smeared ink on paper. Any claims that something like a "government" or "corporation" popped into existence is false... if you understand that "government" or "corporation" to be something real. To be sure, humans can create a fiction like "Sugar High Bakery" to have a descriptive name to "do business as", which means "Sugar High Bakery" is only a name for the real, physical owners of that business. This is why all organizations have been called "fictitious entities" in fundamental law for hundreds of years.
So, think about it.
When a couple dozen humans smear ink on paper, including smearing representations of their names at the bottom, what happens? Answer: Nothing pops into existence, but the humans who signed the document may have agreed to certain obligations as described in the document.
However, no human who did not smear ink at the bottom of that document can possibly be obligated in any way. If any collection of humans smear ink on paper, then claim others who did not sign are obligated by the document, those humans are predators... assuming they threaten or attempt to enforce others to comply with those invalid obligations.
Bottom line. No government can possibly be created, because government is inherently a fiction. And no document can possibly obligate anyone who did not smear ink in the shape of their name on the bottom of that document.
So the fact of reality is entirely obvious. No governments exist, or can possibly exist, because so-called "governments" (and "corporations") are in fact fictions (as they also are in law, though law is completely fictional too).
Anyone who believes a couple dozens individuals can magically obligate every individual for hundreds of thousand of miles, and centuries after all the signers have died... is absolutely, completely and utterly insane in the most fundamental possible way (they are incapable of distinguishing what exists from what does not exist). Whether the signers were or were not called "founding fathers" by their apologists and propagandists is entirely irrelevant.
No individual can possibly be obligated by any other individual, or group of individuals. PERIOD. To create fancy fictitious entity names changes NOTHING.
I understand why many people value the declaration of independence and constitution. Compared to the fictions that came before, they were less offensive, and at least gave lip service to individuals. However, at root, they are complete fictions, overt frauds, assume that some individuals can obligate unlimited others in huge geographic regions, include provisions by which ALL protections and individual rights can be eliminated by 2/3 vote of supposed "representatives" (who can easily be bought and paid for), and creates the completely INSANE and untenable situation in which the predators-that-be who are given powers by the utterly bogus, invalid, fictional "government" are empowered to... [give me a break]... try and punish themselves for abuse of their own powers! Hahaha... what moron would do something as utterly insane as that?
So the good news is... there are no governments to get rid of. The bad news is... the predators who pretend to be the government have given themselves enormous and ever growing powers to control and destroy any individual they choose WITH ABSOLUTELY NO RECOURSE but open warfare.
I have no fear of living in a world in which everyone understands there are no such things as "governments" and "corporations" and other fictional entities. Of course, living always has and always will include risks, but far and away the biggest risk to any individual is predators-DBA-government. The only question is... how to get from here to there, where "here" is the world in which the vast majority of humans believe "government exists", and "there" is the world in which a substantial number of humans understand "government cannot possibly exist"... and take appropriate actions against ALL predators who attempt to abuse them.
What is seriously sick is to understand that the Americas (the continents) had pretty much the "perfect form of liberty" before gringos brainwashed with the notion that "government exists" came to the Americas (already populated continents) and in a series of blatant and infinitely disrespectful actions attempted to completely erase and replace the "perfect liberty" that existed on those continents.
One might be shocked by the previous paragraph... unless one settled down for a while, thought through what existed, and came to understand what REAL liberty means. You see, REAL liberty does not PREVENT individuals from making agreements and obligating themselves to contracts and agreements. So a domain of perfect liberty would naturally evolve to have a number of "settlements" with certain obligations and prohibitions that everyone who lived within those settlements had to agree to. This is precisely what a modern "gated community" is... residents must comply with the obligations and prohibitions in the HOA agreement.
The native Americans did not call their communities "settlements", they called them "tribes" (or at least we are led to believe so).
But the key point is... between tribes (settlements) was "no mans land" (my term for everywhere between tribal settlements). And in "no mans land" there are no rules, except hopefully common sense and tacit agreement to not harm or steal from others, with the understanding that everyone would defend themselves by lethal force.
This setup or system is perfect liberty. Any individual could move to the settlement that suited their inclinations... leave any settlement that did not suit their inclinations... or live alone or with family and friends in "no mans land" (essentially their own micro-settlement).
That is what humans need to return to.
Only THAT is civilization.
I would love that! You are absolutely right. I spent quite some time on lone islands in the carribbean (that are even off the charts) and there are communities of people living there in PEACE. I personally think that this model works. Humans use common sense and try to get out of harms way. A few are psychopaths, but they are still psychopaths with government in existance (matter of fact, maybe because of MSM we have to deal with a lot more psycho's, because they know they will have some publicity and 15 minutes of fame).
Absolutely true. I explored several place on the planet before I chose one to move to. Pretty much everywhere I looked in the extreme boonies the people were just AWESOME. For instance, I spent some time with native people in a couple areas in the high andes. Almost every individual had a very distinct personality, but they all got along, any exceptions being extremely mild in comparison to what you see in so-called "civilized nations".
Many of these people had never owned a single penny in their entire lives, and had never been more than 25km to 50km from their little settlement. They were self-sufficient and HAPPY. Now and then a young one would move away, and from what I can tell, about 70% came back soon, and most of the rest never came back.
I asked a couple of the elders whether any of their young ever grew up to be seriously nasty and mean. They said that happened once or twice per century, but they always got themselves killed in short order when someone defended themself. Problem solved, naturally, without government.
They did not have anything even remotely like government. Pretty much everyone treated everyone else with basic respect and decency. Like I said, the only exceptions I saw were extremely minor... sort of equivalent to one of us saying "screw you" to someone, then walking away.
It is crucial that people learn to defend themselves. Though I don't think these natives in the high andes need that skill, because they pretty much have no need, and if something really serious arose, a crowd would chase after any aggressor if the need arose. However, if we expand the scale to a whole nation, I think people need to learn to defend themselves. THAT is far and away the best protection against human predators accumulating substantial power. Someone comes after you, your family, your friends or your stuff... you kill them. Problem solved. And because everyone knows this, nobody in their right mind would ever be much tempted to try anything seriously bad, and even those few who are legitimately crazy would understand their inclinations will get themselves killed in short order, and therefore regulate themselves... or die.
One problem with the fiction called "government" is... the most egregious human predators ALWAYS gain control of them. How could it be otherwise? They are the ones who most want that power, and are willing to invest the most time, effort and intensity to gain that power.
So, why did you leave this utopia and rejoin the society you have so much contempt for?
You can rant all day about the government, but until you have some meaningful alternative that might actually be applied to extremely complex contemporary societies, you are simply pissing up a rope.
We really have no choice but to try and make it work. We in America have the best blueprint for government that I know of. The gifts of our Constitution and Bill of Rights point the way. Of course, the challenge is ensuring fidelity to the principles, but to sit around dreaming of no government and no laws is a waste of time. There will be governments. Better to spend your time working on improvements.
I guess you haven't read my ZH messages for the past months and years. So I'll just answer you simple and straight.
I explored many locations for several years. Then, about 3 years ago, I spent most of my life savings to build a mostly self-sufficient place for myself in the extreme boonies. I don't say where, except I now live in the southern hemisphere. The nearest human population is about 125km from me, and my place cannot be reached by land vehicle. I have a tiny little modern high-tech 2-seat airplane which is my only transportation (oh, I do have a bicycle that I can disassemble and stick behind my seat in the airplane).
So my answer to your question is... I have done something about it. The only sense I have "rejoined" the so-called "society" is my connection to the internet, which is a funky, multi-jump setup that usually works pretty well. However, if you are asking why I haven't done anything to "fix the world", my answer is... I can't. If a significant percentage of mankind would collaborate to "fix the world", then probably I'd join in and help. The only practical way I can see to help other folks is to mention now and then how I solved this problem for myself.
Also, I am currently helping connect a few other like-minded folks together, and help with designing the tiny collaborative community they are planning to create (elsewhere in the southern hemisphere).
So my answer is, I do live in my own personal utopia. I do... and I totally freaking love it.
I spend most of my time working on a highly complex collaborative project that will solve these problems... albeit only for the individuals involved in the project. As a secondary consequence of the technology, we will leave planet earth, and not worry about humans or so-called societies any longer, because there is no point as long as humans remain fundamentally insane, and unwilling to defend themselves against human predators.
You cannot say the constitution is the best blueprint for government, since "government" is a fiction. Furthermore, I already explained above (?did you read?) why the Americas had an infinitely better "system" before your heros (the founding fathers, and the rest of the statist pigs formed their fictitious governments and killed off most of the natives, and essentially locked up the rest on "reservations").
I can assure you, I now have NOTHING to do with government. So you are wrong. Furthermore, other ways do exist to avoid government. And ultimately, once private individuals move into outer space, government will not be possible (for reasons I have explained previously).
The fact is, governments have never existed, no government exists today, and no government will ever exist. That is simply a fact of reality that all the brainwashing in the universe cannot change. Just because you cannot break the hold the brainwashing forced upon you by parents, teachers, friends and media... does not change reality.
I explained quite clearly why IN FACT governments do not exist (and are thus called "fictions"). Of course human predators do work together to destroy other humans, just as other predatory animals work together to destroy animals. Those packs of predatory animals are NOT governments, they are simply multiple predators working together to destroy others. Just because human predators can attach labels to themselves via written and spoken words does NOT create anything different.
Let me make this very clear to you.
My life, my time, my body, my efforts and everything I produce and trade for is 100% mine, and I refuse to be governed. Get that?
I refuse to be governed.
If you or any other human tells me I have ANY obligations or prohibitions that I did not voluntarily agree to... you are a predator, and you are my mortal enemy. Understand?
Can you not understand? This is completely simple. No human being has ANY basis to claim others are obligated to obey their demands. Why can you not understand that? And if you do, stop promoting the fiction that is "government", because ALL you are actually supporting is human predators.
Governments CANNOT be fixed or improved, for two utterly fundamental reasons. First, "governments" do not exist, and in fact CANNOT exist by their very nature (which is why even their own fictional law calls all organizations (including government and corporations) "fictitious entities". Second, the entire notion of government is PREDATORY. So your call to "improve government" is the same as asking to "improve predatory behavior".
I don't want to improve predatory behavior. I want to avoid it, or if it comes after me or my stuff, eliminate it.
BTW, your ideas are preposterous even on their own terms! For example, the documents you find so compelling state that our "rights" are inherent "natural rights", NOT something granted by government. So to attempt to twist that to say we need government to have our rights is... completely insane, especially since the entire nature of government is predatory.
The only way you can fix you brain (which is what needs fixing), is to perform a full reset, ignore all the programming and brainwashing you've been subjected to, and think through everything very slowly and very carefully from the very simplest issues, some of which I have mentioned in this and other treads.
All voters are loathsome.
They seem to think they have a right to lay a claim on other people's lives as their property.
You just described democracy to a tee...
DaddyO
Los lobos votan por comer al borrego...
"They seem to think they have a right to lay a claim on other people's lives as their property."
Unfortunately, Voting only seems to matter to the FSA. Even with the elected vehicle of Big Gov. which they grew dependent on, they always find themselves lacking toilet paper in the end, so they can wipe their dirty ass with a communist manifesto and go fuck themselves.
As a good South European I spent the day in the sun, had a cup of coffee and didn't give a damn about the elections. My 63 year old neighbor was standing on his barbecue when I left home this morning. He had grilled fish and red wine for lunch with his friends. All spent the day "worrying" about Mario Draghis concerns.
Fuck Mario Draghi and his companions. He can go and rot in hell. I will not vote, even if they have to drag me out with a gun to my head. This is all a lost cause.
The name Draghi will live in infamy after the next crash. And if you are beginning to think there will never be another crash, well, they got you right where they want you.
As a very cynical US midwesterner, I am rather envious of S. Euro folk. Gotta love those Pyrenees. Give my regards to Montpelier.
I am waaaaaayyy more south than the Pyrenees. Heck Montpelier is probably our Northpole! Love the US as a country and the good friends I made there. Not your "establishement" and I think we are on the same page here. The Revolution will not be different in the US, Asia or Europe. We are all suffering from the same sickness.
Gibraltar?
The sickness we are suffering is Big Gov. That's why people left Europe in the 1st place. The Revolution will be very different in the US than other places. Most will be looking to a new and improved Gov. for help and asking for their fair share, others will be hanging statists and looking to remove Gov involvement their lives.
@perfecthedge
to continue in the southern European idiom, are those tits or buttocks in the avatar? And if the latter, are they Mario Draghi's?
The buttocks of a chinese whore.
I think you've pretty much got it figured out!
Fuck 'em all.
Some neighbor you are...
Left that poor old guy standing on his grill.
You could have taken him off the grill and told him that not how you cook sole.
Oh Shit!
It's a shame that Europe doesn't have the Japanese code of conduct. These m--f--rs would make an awful lot of unemployed kids very happy as they watched them fall on their swords.
Falling on your sword was Roman. The official protocal for sepeku was for you to drive a small sword into your gut, go back and forth a couple of times from side to side, and then have your second decapitate you. The second was to leave enough attachment so that the head would flop over like the cover on a lighter. But yes, honor is just so old fashioned.
Where's that Spitzer (neoclast) guy that's always calling us Yanks something related to "cess pools"? Ouzo and Absinthe don't mix well I guess. I was going to ask him to help me paint my guest house deck.
I'm surprised the US hasn't gone in this direction. States like California and Texas couldn't be more different, but the major parties representing those states insist on having federal laws that attack the other one rather than opting for more independence from the federal government. Representatives from Texas insist on things like federal bans on gay marriage and representatives from California insist on things like national socialism. Nobody steps back and thinks centralized government is a bad idea and that each of the states should leave each other alone.
People demanding more regional government in Europe makes me think Europe is a bit smarter than the US when it comes to politics.
Being able to suck on the federal teat overcomes all.
Federal wouldn't have a teat if it financed itself in the manner outlined in the Constitution.
The force of mythology is strong in the US.
"Say hello to too big to fail."
Freedom ain't free folks. If Europe is only now waking up to this fact I recommend a POW/MIA flag.
Those Harley's still roar....and that stock price says to me "how ironic that no chance for a bailout makes for one hell of a business."
Real men don't ride evo.
Oh man. You would hate my water cooled Harley. Great bike but...
I agree with you. But I think our one bold experiment with sucession resulted in a war so devastating and depleting--the U.S. Civil War--that Federalism became an unquestioned assumption of our political culture.
Lincoln can be thought of as American Bismark or Bonapart III in the sense that he delivered, or made possible, revolution from above in the form of the primacy of a central state.
As Scalia put it when discussing the 10th Amendment, "the Civil War repealed states' rights."
"People demanding more regional government in Europe makes me think Europe is a bit smarter than the US when it comes to politics. "
Despite the manifest absurdities into which Europe has fallen, Europeans still have one thing that Americans never really had—class. The cultural roots of European society still have much in the way of stored up political experience, good taste, moderation and proportion, sound instincts, and even religion (although they are largely unaware of this). A nationalist politician in Europe need not reinvent the wheel in order to be successful. He just has to lay bare and make apparent again what his country essentially is. Standing in his way are the doyens of language—the educational systems, the media, and the civil courts—who define acceptable speech codes in such a way that nationalism (or more precisely, modes of thought eductive to nationalism) becomes a thought crime. When nationalism tries to speak its mind in its own words, it elicits the censure of the law.
Thus nationalism today has the unenviable task of battling within a pseudomorphosis. It must express itself in ill-suited words and ideas, and sometimes it must pretend that its aim is otherwise than it is. This is not merely a tactic which nationalism has adopted (although it is that too); it is literally a prison in which it finds itself. Even those who would fain speak in bold and untrammeled tones find that they cannot. The power to speak has been taken away from them.
However, people have been made aware of this problem and they are now resisting it. Allegations of thought crime, show trials, public opprobrium, and other implements of social control no longer have the sting they once held. The success of nationalist parties in Europe at least changes the language game. It moves the Overton Window to a place where reality may once again be discussed.
The SE and Sunbelt should vote for a federated super-state!!
Reduce The Bath House to DC, well maybe also Mass. and Californica!
Create a Great Plains federated state!
Down with Puppets!
Up with Muppets!
texas is overrated for it's people being smart. Democrats vote for idiots like Obama and Hillary -republicans vote for NWO stooges like McCain, Santorum and the idiot bisexual A&M cheerleader Rick Perry. About 6-9% really know what's going on -but I believe more and more people here are waking up. Most are sheeple -like the rest of Amerika.
You forgot supporting Israel`s zionism no matter what.
I did not vote.
and here was the turnut 13%, so I was not alone, who ignored the cretins in the EU parliament.
WE WON!!!
33% mayority for the separatist movement!!!
OK, is there going to be a referundum about Flanders succession?
How mislead you are.. Propanganda and slogans seem to work very well...
You want to stop solidarity transfers to Walon and then you transfer all important decisions to EU and become a province of EU, only to pay solidarity transfers to South Europe and the banks of the banking union. Nice deal!
Is the N-VA a pro-Europe party? Without a doubt. The N-VA wants a stronger Flanders and a stronger Europe. After all, more and more challenges are arising in this globalised world that we must deal with at a supranational level. The macro level for us is the European Union. Competences that require a supranational approach must therefore be transferred to the European level (i.e. currency, defence, migration, internal market, energy, etc.).The N-VA is convinced that Flanders must acquire its own voice in the European Union, at the same level as other countries and states, some of which are even smaller than Flanders. But, even as an autonomous state, we will still be linked to and stand in solidarity with other states, within the European Union first of all. The N-VA is an extremely pro-European party and is part of the European Free Alliance (EFA) within the European Parliament.
Not my words, it's from their program: http://english.n-va.be/en/about/faq#faq-fla-eur
"Het meest kritisch klonk N-VA-lijsttrekker Johan Van Overtveldt. Hij wil van de redding van de euro een prioriteit maken: "We zijn in 1999 slecht begonnen met de euro." De huiseconoom van de N-VA ziet dat de weeffouten nu stilaan weggewerkt worden, maar dat er nog niet voldoende wordt doorgepakt. (FL: lees, minder soevereniteit, meer EU)"
European Voters Are Revolting - You can say that again. [Wizard of Id]
"You crossed the line first, Mr. Draghi. You squeezed them, you hammered them to the point of desperation. And in their desperation, they turned to a party they didn't fully understand."
"Venice wants their money back."
Right after the Iron Bank gets their money first.
Holy shit! Are they smarter than Amerikans and waking up? Back to flipping my pink slime burgers!
But slime has Electrolytes -it's what the people crave.
damn debt serfs...so fucking ungrateful...
"European Union, i think you've got a problem......"
There hasn't been a true European Union since the Roman Empire and that didn't end well. Well it ended in the spread of Christianity so maybe it wasn't so bad. So now the former Barbarians are in charge of the EU, what can we expect going forward?
A new cycle of THE DARK AGE (see Ukraine, Greece, Ireland, Portugal, etc etc....)
Long moar revolts by Euro folks!
Disengaged Mr. Draghi? You are not engaged with the people because you have married the bankers. I would watch out, behind me!
There is no difference between communism and socialism, except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end: communism proposes to enslave men by force, socialism—by vote. It is merely the difference between murder and suicide.
Have fun changing Europe. It will never happen.
There is no difference between communism and socialism and capitalism, except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end. communism proposes to enslave men by force, socialism—by vote, capitalism- by loans at interest.
The same end: a very small elite owning and controlling everything.
Einstein: http://monthlyreview.org/2009/05/01/why-socialism
http://blip.tv/zgraphix/capitalism-hits-the-fan-a-lecture-by-richard-wol...
Thanx for the links. I enjoyed the Einstein article.
Yes, but its cyclic. Once they own and control everything, we kill them and steal it all back and the cycle repeats with a new set of elites.
Free Lunch.
Capitalists usually try to keep their host alive and happy for personal interest. Cant say that about socialists or comunists.
RIPS
My gues, if there will be change, it will be for the worst. In addition to bankers and big companies sucking people dry, they will get far right repression laws on top of it, so they won't be able to protest anymore without being beaten or jailed.. We'll talk again in a year.
The EURO is a debt based currency, just like the dollar. And every intelligent being that has studied the nature of debt based money and understands math, knows what that guaranties for the future..
When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes… Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain.” – Napoleon Bonaparte, Emperor of France, 1815
correct. though it's the same as saying that having a credit card eventually bankrupts you - particularly if you get through a spending frenzy into debt
what you are missing is the gorilla in the room: the mighty global reserve currency
of course we europeans could go back to gold. not the UK, but at least the eurozone, which has a balanced import/export profile
and what would the results be? note how much resistance there is to all "Austerity", as if nation states only spending what they gather in taxes was a concept from Mars. and what would be the American reaction to that?
the EUR is just a bundle of national currencies. people that want their national currency to break out do that because they want a different valuation. think about that
New puppets on old strings.
"Ireland: The dramatic surge in support, for the anti-austerity, socialist leaning Sinn Fein, has fuelled fears amongst establishment parties, that the party could be poised to enter a ruling coalition government in 2016 - the 100th anniversary of the Easter Rising.
A source close to the government said;
"There is no doubt that Sinn Fein have the wind in their sails, and as 2016 approaches, there is a very real danger that they are set to capitalise from both the general backlash against austerity and a general mood of sentimentality as we approach the 100th anniversary of the Easter Rising.""
Cannary wharf...paging cannary wharf.
Anti-austerity is the only rational attitude. The debts that brought on this crisis are odious and should be repudiated. Ordinary people had no say in contacting these debts, or for that matter, no knowledge of them.
debt repudiation and anti-austerity are two completely different things in most countries, particularly in europe
Look at Greece. The have to undergo austerity so that the government can pay the loans from the EU, which are used to pay the banks. The money supposedly lent to the Greeks just makes a U-turn and goes straight to the private banks of France, Germany, etc.
not quite. it wasn't the EU that bailed out Greece, it was a smaller number of european countries, most notably Finland, Germany, France, the Netherlands, etc. that did it
meanwhile, note how Greeks have voted again. where is the majority?
Austerity has to do with cutting back things such as public pensions, social programs that involve financial aid, such as welfare in various forms, unemployment compensation etc. This is directly the result of needing to prop up big banks. In Ireland for example, to deal with AIG and Bank of Ireland, the government took on their bad debts and then cut pensions 10%. Do you think they would impose austerity if they were not trying to prop up zombie banks?
+1, completely agree
As usual, the largest bloc of all, who "won" by a huge margin, is ignored in this analysis: the nonvoters. In Germany for example, with a turnout of 48%, the nonvoters comprised 52% of the electorate. The party in the "lead" - CDU - attained 35.5% of the cast votes, but if you relate that to the 48% turnout (100-52) it was only 17% of the total eligible vote.
In The Netherlands only one out of three people took the effort to vote.
Those lazy bastards.
It's a moot point.
The only vote that counts is the one being pushed out between a muslims legs.
Expect the Dutch state to be Islamic in twenty years, with the EU not far behind.
It is ignored because 'americans' prefer their fantasy of the ruling of the majority.
Scaling it back to yield that the major winner in an election only represents 17pc of the entire electorate is too big even for 'americans' to hide. The 'american' middle class prefers the tale they rule by popular will.
When the nonvoters are included, it shows the same proportion as usual, certain groups of 'american' voters are simply more indoctrinated in voting in whatever elections they are.
It is an 'american' show, saving faces matters most.
The Chinism is rich with roadside shiting tonight! Hows the Chinism at the roadside "Hanoi Hilton " AnAnonymous?
Having fun drilling in the roadside of Viet Nam assclown?
Yen: Never mind that fucktard. Click the link on my screen name and email me from the address I post in my description, or whatever its called.
I have some interesting things to discuss with you.
Cheers.
Hey Draghi, let's "disengage" your FUCKING HEAD FROM YOUR BODY!!! ASSHOLE.
I call him Dragshit because he leaves a fetid stain wherever he crawls. Other than that I disregard him.
And yet, nothing will change until it all comes crashing down.
Well, ... of course they are.
Mario "the people aren't engaged" Draghi - typical eurocrat elitist claptrap. "It didn't go the way we central planners planned it...the debt-serfs just don't get how wonderful our central planned eurotopia will be for them once they tow the line."
No Mario, the people ARE engaged...its the morons in brussles who aren't engaged. Never fear. They'll null the election results in France, Netherlands, Greece, Portugal, and UK, and just tell the people to keep voting until they get it right.
"The FN’s victory was “a shock on a global scale,” Royal said. “This evening, the world sees that one in four voters chose a party that is violently anti-Europe… It is wounding to say that France, the country of the Enlightenment, that gave the world a taste for liberty, equality and fraternity, has put a party that wants to demolish Europe in the lead.”"
Why do they conflate dissolving the EU with demolishing Europe? You'd think that because the US, Canada, and Mexico are independent that North America is a desolate wasteland.
And not to be an anglophile but the country that introduced the world to liberty and spearheaded the enlightenment sure as hell doesn't have a tricolor flag.
The red, blue and white colours indeed do not show on the flag on that country that introduced the world to liberty and spearheaded the enlightment.
AnAnonymous hires (2) friends to upvote his Bullshitisms. Was it 2 rolls of roadside asswipes AnAnonaclown?
This 'american' tale has one merit: at time of posting, it implied that I did not upvote myself.
But in the end, fantasy remains fantasy and as usual, 'americans' seek approval of their group and size themselves up to the amount they collect.
Truth is approved in 'american' societies.
Facts are approved in 'american' societies.
There are some unlucky employees in North American grocery stores who have been bitten by banana spiders when unpacking crates of bananas. The venom of these spiders is a life-threatening neurotoxin. Therefore, if you work in a grocery store, be very wary of banana crates!
Those fucking damned illegals...They are killing us.
Signed: an American.
Off with their heads.
Arogance + Leadership = Idiots
Leaders of europe have created anger and the leaders blame the people. When they lode their heads, there will be no blame as justice will be served.
NASDAQ e-mini 100 futures up .25 peercent already 8 minutes after 6 pm. Get ready to buy with both hands and both feet Tuesday morning people. Happy days are here again....
and European Indexes are unblievably up !!!!!!! DAX 9800 NF wins in France and the CAC is up !!!! utterly insane S&P new ATH already DOW up 25 WTF ?
You sir are a dumbshit that needs to STFU. The election results were published yesterday which was Sunday and the markets (including the CAC40) were closed. At the time of this post, the stock exchange still has not opened in Paris nor in Germany.
Just saying DAX and CAC in a sentence does not make one a savvy markets expert (if it still means anything), sometimes (and in your case it does apply) it just makes you a wannabe poser. Check your fact before posting this highly informative forum diahrrea.
Aw shut up and pay somebody elses bills already.
The handouts will continue forever.
I'll believe the anti-Euro vote when I see the first door slam shut.
And the 'markets' care not, because they know that what the people want will never happen
Revolting? GOOD!
WOW! The euro-Union is falling apart. That sucks. Oop's, I meant, that's a START!!! The NWO will have to wait a little longer for their One World Currency!
Don't count your chickens before they hatch. The EU isn't going anywhere. If things get serious, the EU will turn to hard core facism itself, and re-write its own constitution. The 4th Reich will be born.
There's bound to be some act of desperation on the part of the New World Order. Brace for it.
Amero Currency is on Deck!
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there is no more need to talk. we all know the deal. time to act.
because of crisis many greek girls are lefting home,and targeting major touristic beaches across country,
then they reside under tents,and they wear only provokative bathsuites and they are always topless.
such camps have made theyr first appearance two years ago.
to tourists such camps are known as fuck colonies,because someone can get in,and get a hottie
for a night with giving her 20 euros!
if such a social destruction couldn't speak over austeritys effect over people's life.
then nathing can talk.
below are pics taken by a 65 yo guy,who had rent a chick while in an island
and he is having post the story on a famous sextourism forum.
he claims he paid for her 150 euros for a week....
[img]http://s19.postimg.org/abzfocz4j/greek_student_hooker_milos_2013_3.jpg[/img][/url]
[img]http://s19.postimg.org/jzadv5043/greek_hooker_at_the_beach_searching_201...[/img][/url]
^^^+1000!^^^
I'd gladly pay €150 in overinflated fiat to have that to wake up to every morning, but then again the only reason to pay a prostitute is so she'll leave afterwards. A week is too much commitment bordering on a relationship.
Why not join the porn industry? There would be much more cash as the reward than 20 euros.
In 'american' societies, there is room at the top for people who want to reach it.
So now that the elections are over, the gloves will come off. No more reason to hold back and play mr. nice guy. Be ready to see another major shift in wealth happening in Europe.. But not necessary in the direction most would like..
Hope they prove me wrong..
43% of europeans have voted. 57% don't even bother to go voting.
One could assume much of the 57% isn't interested in the EU.
and one could assume they are happy with the status quo
how to know? it's not the same situation as when so and so many people openly boycott an election
and it's not the same situation as for FPTP voting systems where you can "waste" a vote
My reading is more 57% no longer care, within them I think clever ones are peaced off as those 30% out of 43% of voter so ~10%, will serve as an excuse as more forward jumps.
More divisions within the population on a ethnicity basis, easier manipulations are coming.
Other than that EUrodeputy are useless...
This should of been expected. The leaders in Europe have failed to do the right thing. I have not written much about the Euro-zone as of late because nothing is really happening.
The Euro-zone is engaged in a talkathon, with fear of an immediate collapse off the table the members of the Euro-zone much like their political counterparts in America just talk about solutions without any action. For us in America news from across the pond dribbles out in small doses with almost daily media boost of promises that things are getting better. For more on all of "what is not happening" see the article below.
http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/04/euro-zone-update.html
The people are not stupid and want more local control. Draghi is wrong they are not disengaged. It is thinking more of the same is coming that has them in an uproar.
Disengaged ... word Magick ... it suggests condescending sympathy for the clearly confused, uneducated, mouthbreathing masses and accuses them of being wrong ... while appearing to be in touch with their plight.
Classic Kalifornia Nanny Fascism, actually ... a page from Pelosi's playbook; "there there, we know you don't get it ... " If you have ever heard the witch speak, or Feinstein, you know what I mean.
Bravo Signor Draghi. But your time is drawing near and too many see through you now.
European collapse, more bash-talking?
Dragui is happy , this will drag down the Eur lower ;)
no easing needed!
The Eurozone was originally sold as a nirvana and now they are selling it as something that is fair to middling.
It looked good until they had to import workers to do the work ... Then decided to pay everyone for everything with money they borrowed ... Workers Paradise until it isn't
the situation is grave for 5 star hotels and restaurants
People want decentralization and more control over their destiny. Not this Zionist Bolshevism disease.