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Snowden Says "Stranded In Russia By State Department"; Kerry Blasts "Man-Up And Come Back To US"
This evening's interview between Edward Snowden and NBC's Brian Williams is already stirring up controversy. In one excerpt, Snowden blames the State Department for "stranding him" in Russia, saying he "never intended" to wind up there. John Kerry has been quick to react to this "For a supposedly smart guy, that’s a pretty dumb answer, frankly," Kerry said. "If Mr. Snowden wants to come back to the United States today, we'll have him on a flight today." In an interview with Chuck Todd on MSNBC, Kerry called Snowden a "coward" and a "traitor," adding that "he should man up and come back to the United States," the secretary of state said. There is a live special at 11ET (below) after the televised interview.
As NBC reports,Snowden was "stranded" in Russia by the State Department...
"I personally am surprised that I ended up here," Snowden said in the interview, an excerpt of which aired on TODAY on Wednesday morning.
Snowden's comments about his new home came in an extended, wide-ranging interview with Williams, his first with a U.S. television network, airs Wednesday at 10 p.m. ET on NBC.
"The reality is I never intended to end up in Russia," he said. "I had a flight booked to Cuba onwards to Latin America and I was stopped because the United States government decided to revoke my passport and trap me in Moscow Airport.
"So when people ask why are you in Russia, I say, 'Please ask the State Department."
To which John Kerry responded...
"For a supposedly smart guy, that’s a pretty dumb answer, frankly," Kerry said. "If Mr. Snowden wants to come back to the United States today, we'll have him on a flight today.
"We'd be delighted for him to come back. He should come back. That's what a patriot would do. A patriot would not run away and look for refuge in Russia or Cuba or some other country. A patriot would stand up in the United States and make his case to the American people," Kerry added.
"He can come home but he’s a fugitive from justice which is why he is not being permitted to fly around the world," he said.
Asked whether he had changed his mind about the nature of Snowden's actions, Kerry said Snowden "stole" information and did "great damage" to the United States.
"The fact is if he cares so much about America and he believes in America, he should trust in the American system of justice," Kerry said.
"But to be hiding in Russia, an authoritarian country, and to have just admitted he was really just trying to get to Cuba — what does that tell you?" he added. "I think he's confused. I think it's very sad."
In an interview with Chuck Todd on MSNBC, Kerry called Snowden a "coward" and a "traitor."
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"He should man up and come back to the United States," the secretary of state said.
Snowden also fought back against critics who dismissed him as a low-level hacker — saying he was “trained as a spy” and offered technical expertise to high levels of government.
At 11pm ET Brian Williams will be hosting a live special analysis of what was said...
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You sayin' it's a red line?
No he enlisted after geting advanced notice that his number was to be drawn. Just trivia
Uh, no fan of Kerry's, but it was Bush2 that did the dodging and eventually deserted. JK was foolish enough to join, and found himself, up a river being shot at.
Stay safe Edward.
In other News from NASA,
Expedition 40 Russian Soyuz Docks to International Space Station
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Secretary of State John Kerry, talking about someone, anyone let alone Mr Snowden, being "cowardly" a "traitor","pretty dumb" and about"manning up", and most importantly about being a patriot. Now that's a real laugh.
It's sad that a Senator who became that way by coming out against the Vietnam War the way he did appears to not be able to find it in his heart where this kid is coming from.
If I were Secretary of State I would be meeting him at the airport to
give him a hug. He'd still be going to prison! But this kid stood
up for what he believed in.
That is honorable indeed.
Your version of grey still sounds like opression and very black.
I'm not sure I follow your logic. "you did the right thing kid, sorry we got to punish you."
I was under the impression that dissent is something that America was founded on. Wouldn't that make Snowdens actions truly 'American?'
oh boy i see where this is going now. 9/11 happened the way the narrative said it happened. Snowden admits that. They got that out of the way early.
So now it's a matter of whether we are willing to give up our freedom in exchange for security, and obviously we all are. Poor Snowden's heart is in the right place, but he does not get to decide for all of us that we should not trade our freedom in exchange for the security that .gov provides. His decision put all us sheeple at risk. Poor Eddie is fighting a losing battle now.
Snowden is a psyop. They are not even trying to hide it. Recall the role of the snowden character in catch 22.
More on the catch 22/snowden connection:
http://laurabruno.wordpress.com/2014/01/29/snowdens-secret-where-have-we...
If Snowden's last name were Joyce, we'd be poking through Finnigans Wake searching for clues. And we'd find them too, because Joyce put them there. Likewise, Heller left clues that at some future point would correlate with one or another important event. Good writer's understand this, and do it on purpose.
The irony here is that the Snowden name is just a coincidence.
The clue that Heller wants you to Catch is the number 22.
Investigate that sucker and see where it leads...
but be careful Taylor...
You may not like what you find!
Fonz -
ya forgot the /sarc tag again.
people are beginning to notice
and talk
NSA might overhear, and record, and ...
Gotta go
Kerry's botox is kicking in hard.
Snowden is a CIA stooge.
And John Kohn is a punk.
There is a theory out there which asserts that Ed Snowden is actually Mark Zuckerberg running around having some fun...for shits and giggles.
If Snowden is legit or not is besides the point. Unlike Kerry, he is not a government official, he does not wield the power from the people. Kerry uses that power to arm heart-eating Wahhabis and neo-nazi thugs, with your dime.
So Snowden is, at worst, an actor and, at best, a hero. Kerry is at best a petty war criminal and, at worst, an enemy of mankind.
Remember who your enemy is.
Kerry is jealous becouse Snowden comes out of this smelling better no matter where he is, what he says, and what he does... Ha Ha, how revealing for who and what Kerry is.
Kerry should man up and go back to the bad plastic surgeon that turned his horse face into an ass face
actually it kinda looks like an old ball sack.
You're right, its kind of like 1/2 of Peter Griffen's ball sack chin...
Snowden, there's no safe return, you know it.
At least Snowden is safe where he's at.
Kerry's chin is like Pinocchio's nose (grows every time a lie is told)
Kerry has a big motherfuckin chin. Snowden should try to seek asylum on it.
FUCK YOU JOHN KERRY YOU FUCKING CUNT!
"We'll have him on a plane today"...what a total cunt.
Hey Johnny...you fuck turd...go throw someone else medals on the Hill...you lying douchewad...
GOD I detest this piece of SHIT
Please do continue, tell us how you really feel :-)
I do love reading these posts :-P
A patriot would move to where he could do the most good for his country, even if that was outside of his country.
Gee, I wonder what Putin would think Of Kerry's idea ?
http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/07/26/what-john-kerry-really-did-in-vietnam/
Wow. Great article. What a slime bucket.
"Snowden did great damage to the US"
You must mean like the hundreds of Veterans you fucktards in DC lined up and executed at the VA. How many more veteran families will you torture; how many more veterans will you murder while you stand pointing the finger at our honorable patriotic hero Snowden?? All the while claiming the crime he committed was one of revealing just some of the traitorous deeds you and the rest of the murdering criminals in DC are perpetrating.
No where near all the carnage and wreckage the corrupt ruling political elite democraps and the illegal alien liar in chief have done to our constitution, freedom, liberties, our country and livelihoods of tax paying US citizrns with their taxing, spending, and free sh-t entitlements to freeloaders and illegal aliens while they live their grand imperial overprivileged lifestyles.
Kerry, another sociopathic narcissistic pig who from his early twenties planned on being President. from his 8mm reenactments of his VN 'heroics" to his subversive communications w/ the North Vietnamese, and the decades of rank socialist swill spewing from his one percenter mouth. Too bad him and I can't meet in Haiti man so I can bestow a ceremonial tire around his pusillanimous neck. :O
John Kerry is the real TRAITOR ! He lied to Congress about his experiences in Vietnam and HE put soldiers in harms way and aided the enemy leading our pull-out. Kerry makes me sick!
Lurch is so superficial and fake he had a face lift.
It's amazing how these people get elected.
I guarantee that each morning for Lurch starts with a long mirror session saying, "Oh, yeahhhh, you look soooo good. So very good. Put that hair over there...perfect! Hey! I think another botox over the left eyebrow!". Then he goes out each day to hear himself speak and utter words of wisdom the world needs and let others admire him.
Kunstler nailed it "the haircut in search of a brain".
Instead of restricting the drugs used for lethal injection, let's put some restrictions on Botox. Let's say 6 months prior to an election it has to come off the market. Oh, the humanity!
Jeez,
They act as if he outed the CIA Station Chief in Afganistan or somethin'.
If Snowden wants to come back to the US, all he needs to do is convert to Islam, fly to Dagestan, have the FSB call the FBI and tell them he's coming and move to Cambridge Mass. He might even be eligible for welfare benefits.
He'll be as safe as a baby in his mothers arms.
As long as he uses a microwave instead of a pressure cooker, they'll never find him.
It's bothering Lurch that Putin is using Snowden to constantly irritate and embarrass the US government goons.
If the Federal goon squad could get Snowden they would parade him on the MSM for political benefit.
Man up Candleface John...admit that you were the bukake babe in Hanoi for that little get together with the Party circa 1974.
Kerry calling ANYBODY a traitor is a frigging joke.
Thank you Ed. I know you are reading this as I type: YOU ARE AN AMERICAN HERO
So Orwellian, on so many levels.
Indeed
John Fucking Kerry.......if he didn't marry a rich bimbo he'd be off making frankenstein 'b' movies somewhere. what a fucking joke.
kerry is a genuine nasty piece of work. He hasen't got much longer to go, and he will be given whatever he deserves in due course.
The Edward Snowden revelations create a great litmus test for all Americans. It is simple. Those who brand Snowden a traitor are traitors themselves.
I am sure that Snowden "knows" 9-11 and the Boston Marathon bombing amongst others were false flags. But, he is smart enough not to verbalize that. As long as he does not make a comment considered racist he should be home scott free.
John Kerry, you like some many of your ilk are an "AINO" (American in name only).
Tuco
I agree with your fist sentence at least and I think you have a nice line of demarcation there. I do think that someone's reaction to not just Snowden but what he revealed says a lot about what a person believes.
However, I think in terms of pure numbers most people are more concerned about who is going to win American Idol.
A**hole, our reputation is damaged by what we do, not what Snowden says we do. Idiot.
What a gang Obama has. The war witch, Victoria Nuland, Lurch and Valerie Jarrett ( the rodent in human form).
...and dont forget the manwookie and its 17K dresses and 100 million dollar chinaland tax payer paid cina vacation.
These are some nasty times. Americans fleeing to Russia? There was also that French comedian who fled to Russia to escape ridiculously high taxes. This is looking an awful lot like the 1930s. Remember when guys like Oppenheimer, Einstein, and wealthy Jews fled Germany? I think a lot of people see the writing on the wall and know what's next. It's only a matter of time before we start confiscating wealth and imposing capital controls, just like we did the 1930s. There was a time when it was illegal for Americans to own gold; it all had to be handed over to the government. This time will probably be pensions and bank accounts. The number of Americans cancelling their American citizenship is growing at an alarming rate. Doug Casey and Jim Rogers have already left the country. Guys like Simon Black and Jeff Berwick are encouraging others to do the same. Rather than admit fault, the government doubles down and calls these people cowards. That might be true, but running is smarter than fighting if it's a fight you can't possibly win.
Plenty of useful idiots emigrated from the US to the USSR back in the 1930s, too. "I have seen the future and it works," Lincoln Steffen said of Stalinism.
Things didn't work out so well for those folks, you might say.
It was Gerard Depardieu....that bulbous nosed big bastard....
Snowden's first stop, the one he made even before the administration realized he was the source of the leaks, was that bastion of Internet freedom, the PRC. Did he have a smug explanation for that itinerary too?
His asylum in Russia is temporary of course. He's going to be on the first plane back once Putin gets sick of him. I doubt an ex-KGB agent has any respect for a squealer.
I certainly wouldn't say he's a "traitor" and agree that the US govt is going way overboard trying to hunt him down (we let that child rapist director live large in France for God's sake), but you can't deny that he broke his word about keeping things secret, lied about his intentions in order to get a clearance, and has since assisted in the propaganda of an unfriendly world power. "Patriot" sure as hell doesn't apply either.
how stupid can you possibly be
Enough that you have no logical argument against my point, apparently.
you are most likely so brainwashed, reality eludes you.
i feel sorry for you and your country
Which part of reality? The part where he fled to the PRC or the part where an ex-KGB agent is using him as a propaganda pawn? Those are facts.
no, the fact that the us has become the greatest terrorist force of the world, and that this is only possible because some will do things they know are wrong
the fact that people have lost their moral guidance
the fact that you can think the way you do
you must have had some hard times
For what? Reading emails? Listening to phone conversations? Every country in the world that has the money and equipment is doing that.
that is just some of millions of things
there are literally millions of dead people, shattered families, hurt and harmed living beings and more, as a direct result of american actions since wwII
think it through, each and everyone a soul and a hope, an image og God in your religion
Surveying every communication, collecting and compiling it for use at a later day. Political arena in a democracy is useless under this program. Corporate edge is neutered comfuckingpletely. How do you expect us to talk with one another? A statement, purchase, communication, event could be misconstrued to paint a person as someone he is not simply by a connection on a cell phone call to a person who called a person who knows a person who once visited Pakistan. Turning someone into a criminal will be a cinch. Differences of political or religious views is a whole other arena that will be soiled when you realize the "other" team/side/ones are deciding your fate.
Hey Tulpa
All Governments are servants of the people in a Democracy not vice versa
But i guess you lost your common sense . Maybe like Bush too much of Jack Daniels !
Tulpa, I will take your comments seriously. Consider this, if you worked for the world's top spook agency (KGB was pretty close) and knew the methods and disinformation techniques what would you do, walk to the nearest local police station to report NSA/CIA spying? What do you suppose would happen? Do you think we would have ever heard from him at all? I doubt it, myself.
To me...and I am not one of the innumerable deep conspiracy theorists, going to an "enemy" or hostile nation is the rational choice. You have to go somewhere that is hostile or at least unsympathetic to the USA and it's spy agencies. Go to Britain and they turn you over in a half heartbeat for waterboarding debriefings back in the USA. Moscow will not. Beijing would weigh things out because the USA is a huge trading partner so they could break either way.
While I have no love for the places he was headed it did make sense to me.
That would be my logical counterpoint...with no insults.
I agree with you.
But that doesn't mean Snowden is a real whistleblower.
I think, just my personal opinion, is that he is part of a revenge operation perpetrated by some group against some other group of the shadow government.
Or some sort of mesaaging operation, where one group tells the other to keep calm and carry on or else... or is sending the message that things need to be put on high gear real fast.
He fails to pass the biggest test of them all: Who the fuck did 9/11?
IF NSA is so "know-it-all", and he was such a high level access guy, surely he must have had some access to the 9/11 stuf.
But see, not one yota comes out of his releases about 9/11.
The fact that him brought to light the NSA shit is just that he gave some credence to the conspiracy theorists that saidf that NSA is monitoring all Internet traffic.
It was a known fact that the main job of the NSA is to monitor communications worldwide. Known fact it was.
Do you think that info is new to the Russians or Chinese? You think they are stupid and know nothing about what NSA does?
He simply was made to be a hero initially, by --The Guardian/Washington Post-- brigade and then other MSM outlets. This should really be a sign.
I'm not saying that he is a wiling actor. a deceiver in this. I'm saying he was prepared, maybe without him even knowing what part he will play.
Say the CIA wants to do this kind of shit. Hires a slim, nice looking guy, intelligent --- which the masses will like and believe----, who is articulate.
But naive a bit. Makes him part of some sort of "European team doing some high level stuff in Switzerland" just so that he feels his job is the real deal. Just to make him think he is part of some high level intelligence operations.
And then slowly, they make sure it is possible to him to get access to some NSA shit. And since they picked the right guy, decent guy, with morals, but naive with no clue to the real operations, he maybe is encouraged to "whistleblow" or directed in such a way that he's only option is to "whistleblow".
I think he is used and a pawn in a much bigger game.
And I repeat: 9/11. What does he have to say about it?
He's not a whistleblower as nothing he reported was illegal under existing laws. He's at best an informant.
To put it mildly, the KGB operated in a different environment than the NSA does. I know ZH-chic demands that the US be equivalenced to Nazi Germany and the USSR but I'll risk being unfashionable. Disappearing a US citizen would be a pretty huge leap in tyranny from anything we've seen. Didn't happen to Jose Padilla or Bradley (or whatever the new name is) Manning, so I seriously doubt it would happen to Snowden. Nothing's happened to Greenwald, the guy who actually published the material.
And don't give me the crap about the 4th Amendment. Full-blown warrantless wiretapping was considered perfectly constitutional for the first 90 years after the telephone was invented, and the stuff Snowden revealed doesn't come close to that.
I actually knew a military spook long ago. The military and CIA cross over. This was still in the old USSR days and what you say rings true from his stories.
Spies and agency guys could disappear but even back then they preferred to trade people versus execute.
Most of what I have seen about Snowdens revelations are not real security burners in the sense of nuclear launch codes. They are more like info on "Do you know what your government is up to?"
Left to its own I believe government gets worse and does more of this stuff so I credit Snowden with a bit of a reset.
Tulpa, there is no need to use logical argument on ignorant bullshit like your post above. The BS is self-evident. It's like a moron claiming 1+1=35 and expecting a logical rebuttal.
Can't talk logic with a kool-aid drinking sock puppet.
...but you can't deny that he broke his word about keeping things secret, lied about his intentions in order to get a clearance, and has since assisted in the propaganda of an unfriendly world power...
I think this is where you run a foul of people posting here. No one in their right mind would agree in anything other than a technicality.
So as I've said before on this thread, if America was founded partly on dissent, what could be more 'American' than what he has done?
Or should he just continue to follow orders? (which as we all know is no excuse...tsk tsk.)
Facts that don't support one's position are "technicalities"?
kerry should an up and go to the hague for a review of his crimes against humanity.
Did you hear what Snowden didn't say about 9/11? What a psy op on us. Didn't work though, because we see it.
Holding that information may be why these boys are still alive. When they do release it, there will be a day of reckoning. Military members will rise up and extinguish the perps from the map. If anything happens to any of them, te documents will be released, Greenwald stated. But, like with Karen Hudes, I reserve final judgment until when the fat lady sings, as one commentator stated about the situation here on the ground.
"Come on back and trust in the American Justice System Snowden. Be a "real Patriot" and put yourself at the mercy of a government, whom you've witnessed first hand, is corrupt to its core."
To be honest, Snowden has exercised an amazing amount of restraint constantly limiting his comments to his status and the issue of mass surveillance. If I were in his shoes my retorts about our government would be considerably less tactful. As in, "Hey Kerry, suck my cock and balls you gold-digging, horse-faced, mouthbreathing Lurch motherfucker."
Don't sugar coat it - tell us how you really feel!
Kerry Kunt. Yeah, I said it. Double plus good fer sure, dude.
Ed is safe because he has the goods on EVERYONE who matters. That information has been passed on to a few key people who keep him safe. Putin, like all in power, has a few secrets...of course.
What surprised me about this whole sorry saga is how surprised so many people have been by his revelations. I mean hello! what do people think intelligence agencies do? I respect the guy but he also seems naive and surprised by the results of his actions.
Obama campaigned on transparency. Snowden just made sure he kept his promise.
If there is a traitor in our midst, it's more likely to be John Kerry.
Very True
Obama campainged on Transparency.
But he was speaking about Your Transparency Not His or that of His Administration
Hey Kerry. Someone is selling your medals on ebay.
reserve price will not be reached
John Kerry calling somebody a coward, that is just fucking rich. Now I've seen everything ladies and gentleman.
I know right? So condescending too. A Patriot does not throw his purple heart away.... Well one does I suppose if he didn't actually earn it.
Easy come, easy go.
The douchebag got 3
ricochet and some fragments....whoopie
bumped his head
got rice imedded in his ass during an explosion....my guess is he farted in a sack...
some fucking "hero".......more....a killer of civilians, aggressive when they weren't armed....cowardly when they were...disobeyed procedure more than Gomer Pyle on crack
Those were someone else's, he didn't throw his own. What a douchbag. Winter soldier my ass.
Snowden was'nt on his Swaift Boat.
So Snowden is a coward- LOL
John Ketchup Boy Kerry should man up and come clean with all of his lies about everything. And tell us how much he spends on botox every week.
Snowden gave up everything for the truth to come out, his homeland, his career, his family, his freedom, all so the world could know what the NSA was doing, something that before Snowden Gentleman like Kerry would happily front the world and lie and lie and lie about the existence of the NSA programs, I'm not going to insult Kerry, he is just not worth my time.
NSA? AussieKiwi what is Australia doing? The 5 Eyes?
Why are Aussie not pissed off at their own government? What about the Brits? Swedes? NZ?.........
Every nation is spying on its people and we're all up in arms about the USA? The Snowden discourse is blinding us to the fact that each government is doing this shit, not just the USA, its unacceptable by every nation yet we're only looking at the USA. Plus each of our governments is colluding/sponsoring Google etc to further the fascist state spying on each of us.
How many war crimes has Australia participated in through the 5 Eyes and other programs??? Are Aussie's loving the increasing use of drones (eg G20 meeting) and license plate recognition tech, etc, etc on ourselves; we're a fascist surveillence state and we're doing the same to our neighbours!
"Julia Gillard has become only the second Australian prime minister to visit the top secret Defence Signals Directorate facility in Canberra, as she formally announced the establishment of a new cyber security centre."
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/gillard-visits-top-secret-spy-hub-20130124-2d8vu.html#ixzz334oBn16k edit: down vote away but my government in Australia is actively complicit with the NSA and being a socialist nation has no issues using surveillence on us, its just more popular to focus on the NSA before watching a footy match .....Useless eater, the article was about Snowden the NSA and returning to the US, not about Australia, NZ etc, which is why my reply was about Snowden the NSA and returning to the US and not about Australia, NZ etc.
In other words, read the article first, otherwise your reply makes about as much sense as having a go at me because I did not reply about political oppression in North Korea.
Electronic panopticon psyop bullshit. Plays like a fucking soap opera.
Do NOT return.
Promises to protect you are worthless.
Keep reporting outside of the country.
All people of decency wish you the best.
Your work will live in History.
Your visage should be chiseled into Mt. Rushmore.
You are one of the greats.
Hey John Kerry, why don't you "man up" and tell the world who really was responsible for the 9/11 bombings. Surely you must know. I have a fairly good idea, and I'm sure it wasn't some guy in a cave in the mountains of Afghanistan. If you don't know, ask Condi. She knows for sure.
But, but, but ... the USSA was damaged -
The whole country was embarrassed - diplomats were laughed at
and just everyone keeps asking - is your phone on ???
So terribly embarrassing it is. Damage to the Image.
And all the talking heads on NBC nodded in unison.
i don't buy heinz ketchup anymore...
Has anyone else stopped buying heinz?
I have....but then I don't like it, so not sure if that really counts.......yep.
I did...years ago.
FUCK ANYTHING HEINZ MADE! I don't care if the poop is made in the USA....it supports John COCKSUCKING Lurch Kerry...the biggest buffoon out of the North East.....
Killer of civilians
Liar Extraordinaire
CUNT....
Any American patriotic would not allow 'intelligence services' to spy unrestrictedly on its own people, allow American to be indefinitely detained without charges, allow for Americans to be droned, allow for other countries to be flattened based on lies, etc. etc. Who is the real partiot here Mr. Kerry?
Umerika's #1 hypocrit, supporter of Governments breaking International Laws and US Laws expects somebody else to obey US Law.
Gimmie a ticket for an airplane and a gun, I wanna put the world out of it's misery.
Oh Kerry, you silly.
No but really you need to fade into obscurity at the very least, and at the very most share a cell with a body building inmate that OD'd on Viagra who has a "thing" for corrupt career politicians. I prefer you to experience the latter.
Putin is yet one more tyrant and oligarch.
I read in nice areas of Moscow the gov says if your house burns down, the land belongs to the state.
They say you only own the "air in your house" they do that when they want to build fancy condos on your land.
We should overthrow the gov and install Ron Paul as president. That is the only answer and we have the numbers
to do that. The rest is a fools errand.
Unbelieveable! Swift Boatman. What a TURD!
Snowden bitcoin defense fund:
https://blockchain.info/address/1snowqQP5VmZgU47i5AWwz9fsgHQg94Fa
152.60666829 BTC (~$86000) have been donated so far without the risk of a 3rd party shutting down the account (I'm looking at you american banks and payment processors)
John Karry...John Karry...John Karry...John Karry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUa5oHgYV2k - replace Matt Damon with above
Hero or traitor, it's all a matter of perspective.
"Man up", here we will treat you like a real American patriot - Ketchupboarding in real Heinz Tomato Ketchup.
"Trust the US Justice System" > Meanwhile in Guantanamo, meanwhile in a solitary confinement cell in California...
I don't understand his anxiety to "come home". He is in Russia! Beautiful country, really the hottest woman on earth and as a FREE man. Why coming back? I just don't get this.
Driving in Russia iz pizdet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTDn604ipYY
fuck you kerry!
Yeah! that showed him.
Shamelessly going ot and quoting myself as I want opinion of people here that are either French or have been living in France for a long while. I post this in "dead" news (as far as comment are concerned):
IT would not surprise me, a French, if France was in fact the European with the greatest amount of debt, above the PIGS.
There are 2 things that are obvious in France:
How beautiful the country is as a whole, take a car go in different parts of France and you will understand what I mean.
The incredible amount of governemental spending, I don't have exhausitve knowledge of what available else in Europe but it is insane: the state (~) helps with loans, rents, runs appartment offices, pay for gruesome amount of useless associations, number of employees in local governement has exploded, there shit ton of people taking of the street gardening even in poor cities. People with kids (so around everyone) benefit from massive cuts when it comes to paying taxe income (one may wonder how it is fund...) and the list goes on forever.
Shortly put when the time is "right", for now the country is all too necessary in many regards (~primary US ally recent military operations, critical to EU advancements), but yes when the time comes I would be surprised if the real accounting of the country is any better than say Japan., it is a question French should ask themselves how could it be better? I mean tourism is profitable, Japanese entreprises have massive difficulties but look at France and explain me how it could be any better than Japan?
I wish my wife (not French) were not that insistant in wanting to stay as I would get the fuck out of here no matter my sincere opinion that France should be one of best place to live on this earth... potential is there to say the least.
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What are other French thinking about it, I suspect there are quite a few here reading.
History has already judged both Men and our Age. Edward is young and wish him and his Family only Gods peace. Mr. Kerry is not what we are as a Nation and wish him to retire. The World as it is said will only allow them to be this way is no excuse.
Man up......
who the hell started this gay phrase....?
Elton John?
Patriot also does not keep two passports and dual citizenship, like Kohn-Kerry does.
I wish John Kerry would man-up and take a convertible ride through Dallas.
"Trust the American system of justice." That's rich. Trust the American system of justice and its secret courts and its weasel attorney general? Don't do it Ed, the motherfuckers wouldn't even give you a running start.
Truly. Trust him to be indefinitely detained and tortured in a black site holding cell in an undisclosed third party nation.
What more can be said.
spot on bob. kerry is the biggest fucking clown in the three ring circus that is washington dc...
Snowden is living in the Land of the Free. Why would he want to leave?
Trust a system that protects criminal Banksters, and Criminal Politicians like you and an Admin which goes around creating death and destruction around the world !!!.
That's it is justice for the crooks - not for the innocent is very clear.
You are too full of Blood Ketchup Kerry to even speak
<----Snowden heroic patriot, Kerry cowardly traitor
<----Kerry heroic patriot, Snowden cowardly traitor
A coward and a traitor he is certainly not, and anyone calling him that is one themselves and trying to offload the critism from where it should rightly be placed... that is on the illegally spying US government
Surely Kerry is qualified to speak of cowardice, having experienced it first hand.
Kerry can man up and stop living off his wife's fortune.
More sideshow to detract from the latest fuckups - VA, IRS, Bengooozzzeeee, Barrycare.
This stuff is getting old.
Many people would say that Governments spying on their citizens appears to have become a global phenomena, but is it? It sounds like many of the countries in Europe find the revelations of the America government collecting and sifting through "metadata" as somewhat distasteful.
It should be pointed out that Europe also shares many of the same problems with terrorist attacks that we in America face. It is generally thought that the countries engaged is such covert and Orwellian actions are generally paranoid states with totalitarian rulers or the non-democrat systems that exist in countries such as China, North Korea, Iran, and a host of other places. More on this subject below.
http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2013/06/governments-spying-on-their-citiz...
Fuck kerry. Slimy hypocrite golddigger
Russia
Leavenworth
Surely Snowden remembers the fine print on those Department of Defense non-disclosure agreements he has signed and knows full well that there is a good possibility that if he comes back to the U.S. he will be living at Leavenworth, KS.
Snowden is "his own man"!!! which none of these government/corporate 'straw men' could understand, nor could they attempt to even fake thoughts, comments, deductions, nor actions of Snowden who is a 'true' Patriot!
Idioms of 'man up' (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/man+up)
be one's own man:
to be free from restrictions, control, or dictatorial influence; be independent.
U.S.A. Government = Cronny Capital Corporate U.S.A. Government = 'Straw Man' SNOWDEN IS A PATRIOT!!!pa·tri·ot (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/patriot?s=t)
[pey-tree-uht, -ot or, esp. British, pa-tree-uht]
noun
Maybe this is all an issue of idiots in positions of power within the threre arms of the U.S.A. government!
As my latin friend says, 'this country is cracked!'
Fuck John Kerry
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The NSA ass clown reading this post!
When did we lose the moral high ground?
1) Never had
2) 1960
3) 1980
4) 1990
5) 2000
6) 2010
Why doesn't the Head of the Department of Justice, MAN UP.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaX08TNEdvg
Come here and face my 'justice' system
Traitor? Kerry came back from getting "wounded" in the ass and testified in front of congress accusing GI's of war crimes-a lie planted by the KGB (read "Disinformation" by former KGB officer), and threw the medals he "earned" over the WH fence.
Coward? And cheap coward at that-berths his YACHT in Delaware instead of his home state of MA to avoid taxes.
What an elitist a-hole.
Yeah, but isn't the KGB the good guys? Aren't you guys on ZH all Putin followers?
Putin is ex-KGB = good.
Kerry ex-instrument of KGB = bad??
And are you somehow defending the Vietnam war?
Are you saying the US did not commit war crimes in Vietnam, and that Kerry was lying when he said in the 70's about crimes commited by his buddies in the Army?
Explain yourself.
The highest of irony and hypocrisy:
A guy who slandered all his comrades in Vietnam as war criminals (and lied about his own "heroic" actions in Vietnam), thereby giving moral support to a nation at war with the US at that time, now brands a man fighting US espionage against its own people as a coward and a traitor.
Kerry OR Snowden?
Who will tell the people the truth FIRST?
"The Public Be Suckered"
http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1230886
To everyone defending Snowden as being White as Snow and Virgin as Dom Perignon bottle:
1) I'm the Devil
2) I want you to worship me
3) For that I need to enslave you
4) I'm the Devil
5) I'm smart and know that slave by force doesn't work
6) I develop credit. Interest on money
7) First 100 years you will have it reall good. Money. Coca-Cola. Jeans. Burgers with French fries, big cars for your fat assess... uhh I meant big bones
8) I get all you ugly fat fuck hooked on debt. All of you.
9) Start to show my real intentions
10) Demand you bow down and suck my cock or else the credit cards stop working, oil is nowhere to be found, society breaks down... and just so happens that this time I present you the AntiChrist...err I mean the "Messiah". Now bow bitch and worship the Messiah.
Just because credit, interest on money, has worked quite well for you 'murikans in the last 100 years or so, doesn't mean it's a good thing in the historical sense.
So to get back to limited hangout Ed SnowDEN.
Just because he says things which are probably true about what the NSA is doing, doesn't mean his intentions are good towards you, or he's just a naive useful idiot, but weirdly enough way too slick, sexy and fit and articulate for decent folks. Decent folk have been soo ass raped the last 100 years, that they don't really have time to learn proper English, look fit, and work for the CIA/NSA.
Decent folk are farmers and workers, earning very little money and trying to survive, and not being highshool dropouts hired on 200k+ USD salary a year by the fucking CIA.
The devil is a evil fuck. He knows how to deceive people.
What if Snowden were to run for president by some "independent party" as a "stick it to the man" operation.
I bet the gays, the blacks, the republicans, the democrats, the gold hoarders, the tea partiers, the Ron Paulistas, the lesbians, the ugly whales of women that nobody wnats to fuck, would vote for him.
But what do we know about him? About the man? What if he's a deceiver just like Obamao?
The Illuminati or the Reptilians or the Queen of England or Merkel or the Martians or the choosenitzes or who ever the fuck runs this Planet, they are not stupid.
They know people are starting to see through the duality of Demo/Rep theatrics.
And so they proceed to build up "believable opposition". "new alternatives that are young fresh and speak perfectly good English".
Think.
After working on Secret programs, I know first hand what abuse is hidden behind a veil of Secrecy. In the mafia, they swear to secrecy to hide the crimes committed by themselves or other members.
But, the US is supposed to be a Constitutional Republic, not a criminal organization. When I took my secret clearances and I have had many, my pledge was to keep secret vital national programs, not to hide crimes. I didn't join the Mafia, when I pledged secrecy or so I thought.
I think Ed Snowden knows what the Fourth Amendment of the Constitution is. Holding on to the last slender thread of a society governed by laws and not by caprice, secrecy cannot be a veil for hiding crimes.
It's pretty funny that a metrosexual like Kerry would use the term "man up". HAHAHAHAHA!
The 'conservative' host of the radio talk show I listen to on the way into work has been bashing Snowden pretty much nonstop, also calling him a coward for fleeing the US. I honestly don't know what choice Snowden had. Yeah, he could have stayed here and took his chances with the legal system but considering the info he leaked I don't know how any reasonable person could think the NSA wouldn't have made him vanish off the face of the earth. The guy was a nobody. If he had been locked up or off'd, there would have been very few people that even would have known about it and the media sure as hell wouldn't have covered it. I think by doing what he did, he basically ensured that the story was big, sensational and got the cover it deserved.
"The fact is if he cares so much about America and he believes in America, he should trust in the American system of justice," Kerry said."..
I'm assuming he means the system of justice that has allowed thousands of bankers to swindle and defraud the world without any investigation and not a single indictment.