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Deadly Ukraine Fighter Jet Bombing Caught On Tape
Earlier today we reported that even as the western media blackout of events in Ukraine gets more black, the ongoing civil war is getting ever more uncivil, following a Ukraine fighter jet attack on the east Ukraine town of Lugansk, in which it struck not only the local administration building, but a neighboring area, resulting in numerous civilian casualties and injuries. Kiev was quick to deny that it was using its airforce on its own people, claiming instead that the explosion quite clearly caught on tape was merely locals trying to unsuccessfully shoot at the fighter jet.
So for your viewing displeasure, because the reality of yet another fratricidal war is hardly enjoyable, and so readers can make up their own minds, here is the moment of the fighter jet bombing caught on tape, as well as the tragic consequences.
The first clip shows CCTV footage as the rocket explosion is spread out across a park neighboring the administration building.
The next clip captures moment the Kiev fighter fired at fellow Ukrainians - something the west vocally condemned when it was allegedly conducted under former president Yanukovich, and is all too quiet this time.
From a different angle:
And the aftermath.
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Did you not see the pic of the rocket launcher on the fighter, or the video of the rockets being fired, or not do a little thinking?
Google SU-25 and the video matches the picture. It is a Soviet era version of the US A-10. Designed for air-ground bombing, rockets and gunning. A close air support fighter that must operate without air-to-air fighters against it. The rockets are clearly unguided air-ground rockets. These rocket explode on impact, so it would be the ground-level explosions seen in the video. It pretty clearly is SOMEONES SU-25 firing rockets. I wouldn't put it past either the Ukrainian government OR a Russian false-flag op. This would be the kind of thing that would be the "excuse" to send Russian troops in to "defend" civilians. Complicated and confusing, regardless SOMEONE is responsible for civilian deaths.
The U.S. and NATO know who's is who's.
If it were Russia you would have seen the boob tube interrupted with Kerry or Obama blaming Russia, and vowing NATO "support".
And Russia was already on the border of having all the excuse in the world. All signs were pointing towards the USraine continuing its military putsch, so I doubt Russia would be considering a false-flag here (I think they are capable themselves of this, but their position does not seem to be so desperate as to need false-flags, as in the West where we are starting to see pure desperation).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty-Six_Stratagems
The winning stratagems seem to me quite similar to the desperate stratagems.
"Besiege Wèi to rescue Zhào" seems like "Empty Fort" and "Chain Stratagems." And Russia seems to be "Beating the grass to scare the snake."
You cant argue with the "smart money" on here. They are totally zombified by Putins Russia Today, they will believe anything that he says. Closest they have been to Russia is Russia Today, so I cant blame them. As someone from Eastern Europe who actually knows how Russian propoganda machine works, it is not a surprise to me that many readers on this site can be zombified so easily by his propoganda. Lets celebrate the new icon of democracy, Mother Russia! Go visit Russia, before Russia visits you clowns.
Putin is no saint, but you're a fucking idiot.
As someone from Eastern Europe you should be a believer in self determination and local home rule.
Why are you against west Ukraine going their way and east Ukraine going their own way? Shouldn't people be free to choose their destiny?
I don't see any mass exodus of western Ukrainians to the east, and I don't see any mass exodus of eatern Ukrainians to the west. This tells me that both want to stay where they are - but to govern themselves in their own way. Why must one side bomb the other into submission?
If you can google translate, read this forum of Kharkov:http://www.kharkovforum.com/
Kharkov is the largest city in Eastern Ukraine, you will have to try really hard to find people who support Russia(large majority support Ukrainian military, both with money and supplies, put Ukrainian flags out the window etc...however you dont see that on here right?)...however judging by ZH coverage and RT, almost all of the Eastern Ukraine are looking at Russia for supprot and cant wait until Putin comes and saves them.
Note that this forum is 99% in Russian(majority of Kharkov speaks Russian), so there goes the RT propoganda of Russians afraid of living in Ukraine.
...where any different opinion would get you banned. No wonder it's hard to find these people. Also ironically the forum is physically located in Los Angeles, CA, US. Something to think about.
Better check the local forum of Donetsk http://forum.dkr.com.ua/ or Mariupol http://forum.0629.com.ua
The whole point of COINTELPRO is to divide rebellious minds, turn them paranoid so that they perform the function of psychological operatives themselves. This ensures the continuation of the police force and bureaucracy of the dying world, perhaps even securing jobs for current spooks. Don't give them this, ensure that you do not perform the role of the secret police, and prevent the next society from becoming a government and police hellhole.
People like Taurine may think they have won, but there are still human beings in this world who know what life is about. Only fools would be living in this world today without being completely fed up with militarisation. Keep your APCs out of the streets and stop watching our private lives you sociopathic perverts. And stop fucking Orwell's corpse, cannibals the lot of you.
Gee Whiz; a Forum that supports one side in a conflict / propaganda battle; how amazing. What a concept.
Taurine - In 2008 I had a rcommendation from governor Bush to set up a news site with some good ideas, a network concept to get real local and state news and debate at the national level. The Peterson Foundation which are the Rockerfellas shot it down.
Why decry biased media when the money players that run this country want no debate or investigative journalism? They want to fund what makes them richer through a narrow narrative only so there is a vacuum in internet media for balanced perspective.
As for me I agree with Old Phart commentator. As an American citizen I want out of global policeman. The empire enriches the few and bankrupts the citizenship. We did hand the baton of reserve currency peg to China so that now also means its there job to police the world.
I am sure every media outlet will pile on China as the global bully in a decade or so as well. China is a staunch ally of the US despite saber rattling.
If I am Putin, I would view my country surrounded by all sides. I would play it as he is playing, attempt to trade, restraint in Ukraine but if I saw Nato military bases a couple hundred miles from strategic cities I would push the big red button. Sometimes your realize your the Indians vs. the US Cavalry and no your outnumbered but carry one hell of a trump card of nuclear power.
I want restraint from my America. government (for now). If Russia begins encroaching on allies I will make noise in a different direction. In a MAD world the risks are no longer worth the reward of prior methods of making the world safer. The Internet is a giant mirror. As a person, I attempt to take no sides, one can be easily used and manipulated, used as cannon fodder.
rocket arrives AT STREET LEVEL; high explosive in warhead detonates on impact AT STREET LEVEL. Please arrange to die as soon as possible.
Are you completely stupid?
Why the ladders to damage on the fourth floor with no damage underneath?
Exploding vacuum cleaner?
Flying car bomb?
Pigeon of mass destruction?
All those leaves on the trees got scared and hit the deck?
Can somebody lend this guy a brain?
Strafing; def. air to ground attack with aimed projectiles. Bombing: def. release of explosive, incendiary devices of war from an aircraft which fall by gravity.
The US government is illegitimate.
How much data do you need?
that is really it. the videos are what they were, are and will be.
when one loses trust, one loses everything.
because obarmy can do.
keeps busy strokin der 9 iron.
smokein der crack and his reggie brand pole.
leaves the real work 2 rothchild jewish stooges who work out the details.
zion forward lets roll
First Greenie you ever got from me, you screwball!!!
Frigging doubles!!!
That was just a cookie delivery gone wrong. According to the lack of coverage by the complicit media, there is nothing to see.
What a mess, lives caught in a tug of war between two fugged up governments, (what government ain't) a pathological half breed in chief and his minions at the state department and a duped western populace. These poor bastards don't stand a chance.
Send in the Cossacks
Spetsnaz. (sp.?). not good at Russian Spelling.
They are abso-fucking-lutely going to do this inside of the USA too. And it will be impossible for most people to sort out who the "bad guys" are and who the "good guys" are.
They are going to make it as confusing as possible. It will magically come to pass that we are "saved" by Russians, Germans and Chinese. So they will leave, you know, some advisors behind.
Get ready fuckers. They are!
"And it will be impossible for most people to sort out who the "bad guys" are and who the "good guys" are."
"Bad guys": Criminally in violation of the Constitution and their oath to same, and are engaged in Article 3, Section 3 treason against the American people.
"Good guys": Value the Liberty, the Constitution and the American country.
See not so hard.
I hear what you're saying.
But what I mean is, you will be standing on a street corner in Milwaukee and some airplane will rocket-attack. Just like the video above. Who was it? Your local militia? The Feds? Your state national guard? Foreigners?
It will be Krugman's alien invasion force. Bullish!!
I meant you no disrespect.
I should have prefaced my comment better.
Both of your comments are very good.
Your local militia? with a turbine powered modern warplane? Foreigners? or yeah, right, foreigners. what a waste of DNA.
And your DNA is local?
Yep. Even if you know your hardware it doesn't help because its the same. Imagine Iowa fighting Illinois, actually that's a bad example because you would know what side of the river you were on. but you wouldn't know which air national guard is bombing you.
It's all ready happening!
Those Iskandar missiles that Russia is doing war games with could inexplicably go off-course and take out the entire Ukranian air forrce and parliament - plus all the chocolate factories. Oops. So sorry. Guidance malfunction.
Just like the US "accidentally" hitting the Chinese embassay in Belgrade.
It wasn't the US, it was the CIA.
The media is reporting it (just not in the way some think).
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/03/obama-ukraine-military-assu...
See military hardware has two purposes:
1) Enrich the elite and their pol and crat puppets during procurement
2) For use by the elite against either domestic or foreign interlopers on their power
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/white-house-denies-conflict-hunter-biden-article-1.1791465#ixzz33XXaXbCd
They get away with it because half of America doesn't even know corn row biden's name, let alone what the vice president does. Dat's da idiocracy on warp 11.
Leave it to Mr. Clean.
http://youtu.be/5DM9iThMV1U?t=1m12s
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Arch duke Ferdinand moment, Ukraine, happening in slow-mo for the last 4 months.
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V-V
The trouble with the lie machine is that they do not control the information any longer. I watched the ground attack aircraft with unguided missiles this morning early. The Kiev government has been promising to unleash special weapons against the east if they did not surrender. Yesterdays attack was one of those "special weapons" Kiev promised to use. The western media has been on near absolute black out of news because the Kiev coup government is now killing civilians and shelling cities, and now using ground attack aircraft in the heart of a city. Are we blind, are we supposed to believe the BBC and not our eyes? All western media acts as if there is no world outside the editorial offices, as if they can control the message. That is so 20th century. We can get the news out of East Ukraine, and these videos will not be the last. WHen the Kiev coup leaders kill civilians, we will see it. The war crimes are coming thick and fast now. They are being documented. The Kiev nazis are being protected by the CNN's, BBC's and PBS's of this world, but their crimes are there for us all to see.
The media has sunk to such a low that I doubt they can recover from this war crime they are acting in support of. Maybe the idiots will always tune into CNN and believe their lies. But many people now go for the broad approach, the internet offers so many sources. Kiev looks like fools when they announce the people blew themselves up, when the videos of the air attack are everywhere on the internet.
The BBC especially is a transparent lie machine. Once Ukraine's Kiev coup nazis moved east and made fucking fools of themselves, the western media blacked out the news from Ukraine. But via the interent and international news sites, we can all see what they are doing. These are Washington's creation, funded by the USA, Right Sector Nazis. Most of them will thankfully be killed by the Eastern Defense Fighters. No loss to this world.
'Americans' enjoy living in fantasy.
Intense coverage of a topic then abandon is the standard coverage for the free press.
The free press does not report with a constant attention.
One week, they focus on this, the next week, even though this continue to evolve, they forget about it. Then they come back to it.
That is the norm of the free press coverage. It takes to live six months somewhere on this planet to notice the pattern.
Why should the free press act differently when it comes to Ukraine?
The free press did the same exact for Syria. Where were the allegations that the blackouts were abnormal?
In that time, it seems that 'americans' did not feel the urge to flee into fantasy and could take the free press usual behaviour for what it is.
AnAnonymous - See China blobbing up lately in Vietnam? The holder of the reserve currency peg is the global policeman dipshit. Let's see if China keeps the casualties of its police work under a million over 70 years dumb fuck. The middle class are to blame right? You have got to be the worst agent provacateur I have ever seen.
Globalization did make me realize I need not hate any people of any nation. I see there strenghts and weaknesses. There will always be robbers until our final evolution, perhaps a couple hundred years off perhaps sooner. I hope the Chinese continue to do well. What compliment have you ever paid any nation?
Mr. Putin: The door is wide open for you to demand cessation of deadly Nuland-Kiev attacks before talks on the defaulted Ukraine gas agreement can be started tomorrow: take door #1.
Today's use by the Kiev regime of an SU-25 attack plane against a populated area of Lugansk was a war crime.
As were last week's Victoria Nuland-sponsored deadly air attacks on an eastern children's hospital, grade school and civilian apartments.
She is trying to demoralize the eastern Russian civilian populace - at any cost.
That is not how you demoralize a populace. The more they attack the more steel they inject into the spines of the eastern Ukrainian men.
Such U.S.-sponsored blatant, illegal, war crime attacks certainly demoralize civilian trust and support for the new leaders of each struggling eastern Ukraine city .
And Russian men sitting a stone's throw away from the action.
When GoBombem and Holster drone-attack your city by surprise, you'll sit there for a minute too...
She totally is an evil witch. Give little kids Nuland's Home baked cookies before she kills them.
All I have to say is that Nuland would make a great SS concentration camp director. The East Ukraine Ghetto is under her direct command. The dead civillians show it.
Hop before jump...
It certainly looks like Russia is sitting this one out as far as direct action goes. Certainly they are getting help from Russian vets and stuff seems to be conveniently left on a roadside for them to "find".
I had an issue with Russia not moving in sooner. Given time to think about it I can agree that letting the eastern country handle it themselves with tech and volunteer assistance is the best practical path. Once the east comes out of this they will be stronger for it.
Actually, that procedure would make them Ukrainian X-Men.
Determination of war crimes is for the victor to decide.
Unless you think a sternly worded letter from the UN counts.
War crimes, genocide and 'ethnic cleansing' are the most overused and abused terms in the blogosphere and, sadly enough, in journalism.
Watched this poor woman drift into the ether earlier... I couldn't help but think, human beings are a god damn disgrace.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0k2OgkFmLM
Maybe, Earth is a maximum security prison for the Universe's worst life forms.
There needs to be payback. Kiev nazis are out of control. That cunt Yulia supports this type of action.
How can people in the USA live with this crap perpetrated by their government. This country has so much blood on its hands I shudder to think of the bad karma that will someday make its presence finally felt. I just hope I am out of this country in a few years. Want to move to a country without world power status.
Majority of Americans are captivated by football, nascar, basketball, celebutards n titties and beer.
Tis what it tis.
Until blowback get's their attention. Then they'll line up to fight the terrst.
I used to imagine as a child what it would be like for rural america to be engulfed by war, bombers overhead, and tanks on the ground. It seemed such a far away idea... now it seems quite plausible.
The only way Washington DC will learn is when the same treatment is meeted out on them, one by one. If only it was possible to make the jet fighter pilot stand at that poor womans mangled body. Would he be capable of reflecting if this is a good way to spend your one shot in eternity at consciousness. It seems inconceivable that one could be distant of her suffering. Absolutely inconceivable. Humans are at their very heart, or brain stem more precisely, nothing more than reptiles. Cold, calculating, unfeeling.
To all the people who work in munitions factories and have a direct hand in building these weapons, if only they could stand at that womans mangled body. To the people who buy shares in the companies who build these weapons and profit, if only they could stand at the mangled body of that poor women. Women give life, men destroy life.
We are a failed species.
How about Nuland? Good comment apart from the woman/man divide. Women can be just as violent as men, perhaps moreso since they are assumed to be passive and add a mysticism to violence. The face that launched a thousand ships and such.
."That cunt Yulia supports this type of action."
Hmmm, I read "That cunt Hillary supports this type of action.".
Washington D.C. sucks.
For the morons who still believe russian propaganda, here's what happened:
So-called "anto-fascists" (aka chechen mercenaries for $300/day) were given soviet-made shoulder-fired missiles. Similar to Stinger, but shittier, b/c soviets couldn't reverse-engineer everything. One such heat-seaking missile was fired from the ex-ministry of the interior building at the ukrainian fighter jet, but deviated and hit the building across the square - th ex-regional admninistration building, also taken over by the russian financed mercs. The word is the missile got "confused" by the A/C unit in that building.
That surface-to-air misile has a tiny charge - you don't need more than a hand grenade to rip a fighter jet apart. That's why there's a small hole in the building. If it was a bomd or a missle from the jet, there wouldn't be much left from that building.
more us/zionist propaganda, so most of us have quit drinking the us/israeli koolaid, we prefer the vodka now.
http://puu.sh/9bPYK/71e0ae4ece.gif
You are a piece of shit liar.
I see you cunts spreading this but the truth is in plane sight: dropped on civilians.
Nothing but slaughter by Ukrainian fascists.
How can that pilot live with himself if he has a family and kids he goes back to that night knowing that he killed members of other families, mothers, fathers, and children who will not go back to theirs. What a sick fuck. I hope they find the guy and give him a real slow and painful death.
Ahhh, weener weener wee've got a weener!! Yes sir, you are the winner. the most intelligent comment so far. The Internet will not allow fuckheads like this to ever hide, or disappear into the ether. They will be haunted or hunted until the end.
May he die a terrible death, and suffer worse on the other side.
As long as we're thowing bullshit scenarios out there I think the gardner took his hate of gophers too far.
Where was Bill Murray at the time of the crime?
Pathetic transparent liar. Typical Kiev type.
dude killed himself shooting at the Jet Fighter with his slingshot; what a tradgedy.
So they fired it from the park, at which point it hit the ground, exploded, bounced, hit the ground again in the park, exploded again, bounced, hit the street, exploded in the street, then bounced up into the window of the building to explode one more time? You DID watch the video, right?
Did those clumsy rebels buy this AA missile in Toontown by chance? If so maybe you're onto something.
too many impacts and craters
there are other video
Hey, if it works for bullets, why not rockets?
You cant argue with zombies on here, they get their news from the Mother Russia(100% democratic) state sponsored Russia Today. Anyone with brains can see that this was a pro-Russian retard trying to attack Ukrainian army.
In two Ukrainian Military Jets?
One pro-Russian retard?
He must be a PILOT-SAVANT..
why didn't we see him at Sochi Special Olympics? .
unreal...the guy has great future as stunt pilot..
anyone with brains?
ever listen to yourself?
Considering the explosion the "retard" (as you called him) caused, I can tell you why he won't be at the next special olympics...
Taurine is one who dreamed up the pro-russian retard...
not I
sorrie
you are right, I apologize. when i commented on this thread it was split over two pages. it made your comment look like the first post in a new thread. i didn't realize your comment was in response to one in the previous page.
Taurine, why are you an apologist for war criminals?
Wait - Taurin voted for Obama?
Chechen terrorists are not anti facists. They are islamo fascists.
Signed: an American.
Too subtle.
Zeroheadge you are supporting terorism with these posts as you are publishing shear Russian propoganda (RT News). You have not objectivity, this video with the plane is not anyhow related to the bombing in the admin. building and there is no way a plane (dated Russian plane) gets this angel.
Second, you have a bunch of Russian trolls on your site that get paid to post propoganda. Please rethink your your stragety and your objectivity to these events - don't just post sh** you are better than this...
The video of the explosions alone doesn't fit what Kiev is saying, ignoring the plane video entirely this still looks like an airstrike.
We know RT is pro-Russian media, just like most large U.S. newscorps are pro-U.S.. What stories are ZH supposed to comment on if they can't ever cite biased sources? Do you have a non-airstrike explanation for that video of the park/street? If so I'd love to hear it.
Or if Russia says something is a duck, are we supposed to automatically believe it is not a duck, regardless of how it walks or quacks? Nobody lies ALL the time, ANY media will report the truth if it supports their goals.. it's even easier than lying..
OK, let's give this guy's argument a chance? We figure ZH was sold nearly two years ago and the servers moved to Switzerland. Then came the 'religous discrimination' advisory, etc... So who did buy and who does run ZH now? And who is being played?
(and thank God for fight club!)
"So who did buy and whodoes run ZH now? And who is being played?"
Step up to the plate and spell it out for us. I'm all ears tough guy.
RT is good
Actually too far mild considering the level of evil by the usual supects.
Show me your film of the event.
Innocent people are dying and you're getting paid to sweep it under the rug? Fuck you. You're part of the problem and I hope someone finds you.
Takes an employee to know an employee?
Get a grip. All sides of everything are full of shit.
ZH is one of the few places reporting the truth and some noob is accusing us of being the red guard. Doesn't take a rocket surgeon to know the truth when they see it. And fuck you for accusing me of serving the zionist filth.
This place panders to the 'american' middle class. And the 'american' middle class does not want facts. They want fantasy.
Shut up and get me an egg roll!
useless talkings
get lost idiot
pr@lb - numbnuts, check the 'member for' date of many commenters here and you'll see we pre-date this entire neocon driven fiasco by many months, if not by a few years. and leave your "payed russian trolls" reddit bullshit on jew owned reddit where it belongs
"pr@lb"
"Member 3 weeks, 1 day."
You need to go to another site, comrade.
I get that the two other women and the child were dead, but shouldn't the cameraman have dropped his shit and put turniquets on that chicks blown off legs instead of capturing her ramblings whilst she was obviousley in shock?
She was past the point of no return. Did you see how bad she looked, most likely has internal bleeding just from the blast wave of the explosion. You are putting tourniquets on the outside but you cant stop her bleeding from the inside.
but you could see that her last few moments aren't with a douche stomping through her blood in sandals shoving a camera in her face. It doesn't really matter, sure, but it does.
I am sure she would want the world to know what the Western backed Coup government did to her, especially since the democratically elected government she had 'voted' for and which was overthrown, did not use jets and bombs, or tanks in Kiev.
well, if you're sure that's good enough for me.
It takes human compassion to risk losing a shot at the pulitzer.
US foreign policy.
All the freedom and democracy your AIPAC dollars can buy.
All is fair in love and war, so anything goes, internecine warfare goes along with it all.
If a Ukrainian fighter jet wants to bomb an east Ukraine city center, it can be done, is more or less legal and is always fair, might as well make it a bombing mission that pays off..
War is good business and business is good.
Only problem is that the democratic govt these people voted for did not use bombs and jets and tanks against protesters in Kiev but now we had a US backed coup that is doing this and the elections it put on will always be clouded by the fact that they are put on by an illegitimate govt.
Legal? what a jerk you are...
When some armed fuck sticks a gun barrel in your mouth, be sure to mumble about how your pending death is legal. Just to make the thug feel good, ya know?
Well I did think it was sarcasm I was reading but it appears you are one sick evil psychopathic arsehole after all!
That's how it is in the real world, whether it is right or wrong is not my problem. I know it is wrong and not right, but there is nothing I can do about it. The pilot has to answer to his crimes. It won't be a good day when the killer has to defend his actions.
All is fair in love and war and there is humor in anything, tragic as some circumstances are, that is how it is and that's the way it goes moving west.
I was making reference to Obama's drone pogrom in Pakistan and Afghanistan, which is moral, ethical, legal and justifiable, according to the words of those conducting military operations and making the horrific decisions. Again, there is nothing that I can do about it, it is history, over and done with. What can anybody do? Hum drum stuff now, the drones go about their business and nobody really cares. Obama gets a pass, it's legal and moral and ethical and justified. No problemo.
As long as it is legal, ethical, moral, it is justified. In other words:
All is fair in love and war.
Can't you see that? For God sakes, it is plain as day.
Obama can kill women and children, a moral outrage, a crime, but as soon as 239 girls are kidnapped and forced into a life of slavery, it is a worldwide catastrophe, the perpetrators must be hunted down and killed.
All is fair in love and war, it is fair to love those 239 young girls, by any means, apparently it is fair in this world.
Sorry to say, but this ain't peace.
Causes cognitive dissonance.
The Ukraine announcements concerning the fighter jet attack are reminiscent of individuals through the years who have been accused of attacking the American Establishment (Clinton) by shooting themselves in the back.
Various columnists are now beginning to notice that the mainstream media coverage of Ukraine is moving to the inside pages of the newspapers because it is getting just too difficult to side with American and Israeli interests. European news outlets, especially in Germany, are not so quick to believe the Kiev lies.
And, now, each day, the Obama Administration loses one more chapter in its struggle for its credibility. Even the people against Putin, the warhawks, are admitting Putin is winning in the battle for truth.
If Congress won’t represent America and Americans, and if foreign nationals (Israel) have a hammerlock on American foreign policy and the presidency, and if the banker cartel provides so much purchase money for media and political outlets that the culture is being devoured, then the American people are faced with death of freedom or fight. And by fight, I mean pull those leaders out and replace them.
changing dickey dipshit with dickey dumbfuck will not work. The system is malignant. The only recourse is to build a new system and wait for the old one to collapse. It's a time tested method, and it works. Work local, with your community, or build one. That's the only answer.
"work local"
The driving ethos our founding fathers devised was to keep it local, in plain sight so that the wayward actions of the few could be effectively stopped short before they threatened the many. Our present reality is such that the ruinous activity of the few reaches plain sight after too much harm is done. Iac, Quigley's musing that such a system should be non-ideological has its merits:
"The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to the doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can “throw the rascals out” at any election without leading to any profound or extreme shifts in policy."
Yes, its merits for establishing the cartel's one-world control. How far we already have traveled on that deadly roadto destruction, on the way to Serfdom.
As you imply, Quigley was merely taking advantage of the sham we now call ”democracy.” Quigley stated on page 1247:
”The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to the doctrinaire and academic thinkers.
Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so the American people can 'throw the rascals out' at any election without leading to any profound or extreme shifts in policy.
Michael Coffman in his book, “Rescuing a Broken America: Why America is Deeply Divided and How to Heal it (November 2, 2010), explains that Quigley’s book was intended only for an elite readership until it unexpectedly “began to be quoted in journals of the John Birch Society, which correctly had perceived that his work provided a valuable insight to the inner workings of a hidden power structure.”
I quote Coffman:
The Global Agenda
[Council on Foreign Relations’ member] Zbigniew Brezezinski was candidate Obama’s foreign policy advisory during his 2008 campaign.
Patrick wood, editor of August Review provides this warning: “In 1972, Brzezinski wrote that, ‘the nation-state as a fundamental unit of man’s organized life has ceased to be the principal creative force: International banks and multinational corporations are acting and planning in terms that are far in advance of the political concepts of the nation-state.’” That, of course, is right out of Carroll Quigley’s Tragedy and Hope and shows how the global cartel was implementing their agenda. Senator Barry Goldwater (R-AZ) also warned in his 1979 book With No Apologies,
‘The Trilateral Commission is international and is intended to be the vehicle for multinational consolidation of the commercial and banking interests by seizing control of the political government of the United States. The [TLC] represents a skillful, coordinated effort to seize control and consolidate the four centers of power – political, monetary, intellectual and ecclesiastical.’
One of the primary goals of the Round Table group controlling the CFR is to manipulate American politics so that voters elect people having a globalist mentality and give them key positions of power. It really doesn’t matter which party is in office, the agenda always stays the same.
Quigley proudly defines this horrifying, manipulative agenda:
“The chief problem of American political life for a long time has been how to make the two Congressional parties more national and international. The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy.”
RESCUING A BROKEN AMERICA
It is no wonder that it doesn’t matter which party controls the White House or Congress. The cartel’s agenda keeps spinning along using the Rousseau progressive liberals in both parties….
One of the major goals of the cartel was to eventually control U.S. policy through massive planning by “experts” and “technocrats.” Quigley explains,
It is increasingly clear that in the twentieth century, the expert will replace the industrial tycoon in control of the economic system even as he will replace the democratic voters in control of the political system. This is because planning will inevitably replace laissez faire in the relationships between [government and business]. This planning may not be single or united, but it will be planning, in which the main framework and operation forces of the [economic] system will be established and limited to the experts on the governmental side; then the experts…on the economic side will do their planning within these established limitations.
European news outlets, especially in Germany, are not so quick to believe the Kiev lies.
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The German economical miracle depends on the inputs they receive from the East. It has nothing to do with not being quick to believe the Kiev lies.
If you want to be a fucking Russain, move the fuck to Russia!
If you want to be a slave to the zionists then move to Tel Aviv, cocksucker.
Russia moves into you
You are damn right the son of a bitch should have put down the camera and given her comfort. What the fuck? I had a drunk driver run a red light in front of me and broadside a car which resulted in that driver being thrown from her vehicle. When she landed her head hit the curb. I had pulled my car into a donut shop to call police. It was 2AM. Her car continued into another parking lot. I had to move her as when she landed her legs were perpendicular to traffic and sticking out in the road which was a busy thorougfare. When i moved her the back of her skull fell off. She still had life in her eyes so I lied and told her she would be alright as I took off my coat to warm her and held her in my arms. She died before the cops got there but she died in a persons arms who cared. Then when the suburban cops got there because the wreck occured on a dividing line road they proceeded to argue about who had to do the paperwork. It took me evertything I had to keep my mouth shut and not get arrested. War does not make you stop caring. That fuck who took that video should have his ass kicked into the next century. God help mankind.
"I had pulled my car into a donut shop to call police."
Couldn't you have just yelled?
To be fair he sounded distraught himself ... not everyday you come across people blown to bits while driving around your local city. We only saw a couple of minutes ... maybe he put the camera down and did try to help her ? I was amazed at how calm the woman was.
If that shit doesn't make people angry enough to pick up a weapon and fight back then nothing will.
+1 (x 1,000) deerhunter for caring. But the camera guy was able to show the world what's going on there which is quite important.
This from a poster named "deerhunter".
Did anyone notice in video #2 (here for convenience - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3wBXkR0rJ0) at offset 45+ seconds the guy in military fatigues speaking perfect English (no accent whatsoever) and his buddy Hulk Hogan? Are these guys paid CIA mercenaries participating in a False Flag to fan the flames of War?
guy was Ukrainian..Many Ukr and Russia speak better English than Americans.
True enough; although better English than Americans is not much of a high standard.
For Pro-Putin supporters here, lets just forget all about "No Russian Military" in Crimea. I wonder how many on here will look like total fools once Putin comes out with "Oh well we needed Russian military in Donbass region for XYZ reason". Be good comrades, do what Putin says and remember "Visit Russia before Russia visits you!".
Hey look, I have no idea about good guys and bad guys here but just curious to unravel your thinking. I mean, a jet fighter fired on the streets of the Ukraine, it's plainly visible in the video. The direction of the fire is also plainly visible, the victims are plainly visible. So are you claiming it was a Russian jet or some Russian mercenaries shot some shoulder mounted weapon to create that havoc.
If you are saying it was a Russian jet then I at least get your point, regardless of whether you're right or wrong. But if you are saying the later, well, I hate to say it, you're a bit of a dick head.
Furthermore, none of this would be happening if the us didnt covertly enter ukraine and start destabilizing it. Up till very recently, the biggest issue between ukraine and russia was "will you please pay your gas bill?"
Explain what kind of "freedom" america has to offer ukraine and why its preferable to their previous autonomy + the fair-market-priced gasprom bill sent from 'evil commie russia' to a willing buyer
Sorry.
Interjecting a rational point of view in a heated argument is never welcome.
As to the second point, they obviously didn't want the much better deal from Russia because the guy advocating that deal was a known crook.
Now they have a known crook and hope to get the shiity deal with much higher gas prices but the hands grabbing their balls and squeezing will be the IMF and I guess that's the selling point.
Another plus is now they have murderous Neo-Nazis as part of the Govt. and a civil war on their hands.
Ukrainians really need to hire folks with better negotiating skills and forget the outside 'consultations', although this advice comes a bit late, I'm afraid.
Oh, I'm sure the "Chocolate Billionaire" and his friends in the billionaire club in Amerika, The Reich,errr; Germany, and France; will offer a fair and reponsive government to the people; oriented towards the well-being of the middle class workers. What could go whong ?
I don't understand your point. Are you saying it is OK for Kiev to send a fighter jet to attack civilians in East Ukraine because there were Russian troops in Crimea? What's your logic?
I visited Crimea last summer. The place was full of Russian soldiers. The place had a big Russian naval base. Did you know that? Anyone saying "see there were lots of Russian soldiers" are idiots. There have been a lot of Russian soldiers there for years and years.
Besides even if Russia was behind the separatist movement, bombing a residential area is still wrong. Why you think it is OK is beyond me.
So-called terrorists are not attacking anyone outside East Ukraine. If Kiev stops sending soldiers there, there won't be any killing.
I feel for all those in Ukraine, the peaceful govt that Eatern Euopean countries experienced seems to be ending.. You can not rely on the west, neither can we in the west rely on our govt
Look at Syria,,that is our helppp
First vid: swamp gas in city park
Second vid: Planet Venus ( launching flare counter measures, as it has been observed doing for thousands of years )
Third vid: Same as second from diff angle.
This is clearly natural phenomena we are seeing.
- Jay Carney
PS: Over and out bitchez
Independent and investigative journalism died when the Vietnam war ended. After that the journalism was seen as a way to make a carreer and you don't go against those who can end that. One sided journalism favouring the regimes in the West reporting one sidedly in Golf War I&II ('embedded journalists'), Yugoslav wars, Libya, etc. Whole carreers were made that way (the likes of Amanpour, etc). Seymour Hersch was right when he said a couple of weeks ago that investigative journalism is dead.
Look at these Pro-Russian heroes shooting RPGs and AKs in populated areas(from apartment building rooftops etc) just so they can hide from Ukrainian military. God forbid Ukrainian military shoots back, then RT and ZH will be full with posts and comments on how Ukrainian army is attacking "civilians".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4awYw75luc
This is what Cechenya looked like after Russians fought their seperatists:
http://gdb.rferl.org/93BBC399-5739-4C7C-86E3-87F78A190435_mw800_s.jpg
Bless Mother Russian and teh supreme leader Putler.
What's your buy in here. Are you a pro European Ukrainian? I don't care either way, I don't have an opinion on this, too complicated. People been killing people for millenia, that's what humans seem to do. The big difference this time though is it's coming to our streets, in the beloved west. We soon may well be that women shown blown to pieces on the streets of the Ukraine. Hell, did anyone see that Syrian video of two rebels slowly stabbed to death by members of the Syrian army. Stabbed with small pocket knives, in the neck, in the ribs, in the back. The horror in the world is beyond the imagination but you'd have to multiply it it millions of times to get anywhere close to the true extent and horror.
His writing style is typical trollish thing. Looks like all important news sites around the world are targeted by TPTB, they put several people to distract the readers in discussion, their task is to create a notion of real different opinions. I see this happening on all webs in several countries/languages. It seems to be centrally coordinated effort.
Don't talk to the taurin motherfucker.
Tyler, why not to delete such fuckers' accounts? They just write shit and play the banksters playbook.
Do people on this forum actually believe that these 'rebels' are just disgruntled members of the local population? They are the best stocked and organized local population in my memory. Flak jackets, automatic weapons, SAM missiles, army fatigues and what seems the worst piece of incriminating evidence to me - balaclavas. If these people were really proud locals fighting for their version of freedom (or reunification with the motherland) and selling their view as that of the majority why are they hiding behind balaclavas?
Some readers are so are brainwashed by the Russian propoganda into believing that they are civilians that know how to use RPGs, how to hide in populated apartment buildings while attacking Ukrainian military etc. When Ukrainian military fights back, they will be the first ones to call for "Ukrainian army war crimes". You know, killing "civilians", shooting at apartment houses, hospitals ... and all that.
In all the videos I've watched the civilians are shooting with cameras.
I have relatives in Lugansk. I have first hand information. Washington DC issued kiev a hunting license to kill up to 3000 russians. They have to execute the order just before chocolate bunny get inaugurated.
Washington DC wants 3000 russians to be killed.
And still they can't bear to be parted from their Russians. Probably because of all the great things they're planning to do for all those poor deluded souls. Look at all the great things the Kiev government has accomplished.
Can you believe some people don't want to be associated with those who slander them, frame them, kill them and generally make their lives miserable? No man hath greater love for his Russians than the Ukies.
But why stop with Greater Ukraine? Let's bring back Yugoslavia, the Soviet Union, the British Empire, and after all the Holy Roman Empire is already a work in progress. These enterprises always so beautifully, spreading, joy and happiness among the little people.
The miscreant misfits who don't want to join? You must kill them to save them.
T he Crimea Voted. Because is sophisticated region; know EU is not paradise as advertised. What part of Voted is it you don't understand?
Why hiding behind balaclavas? "Murder for Hire" operators who discovered their "inner sadist" in Afghan / Iraq. warmup exercise; and were selected accordingly, don't play nice. if you get identified, they go to apartment and butcher your sisters and mother with knives and leave note says, "have nice day". ---Weapons; come from building called "Armoury"; many examples world wide. nice try.