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Gruesome Footage Of ISIS Atrocities Reveals Al Qaeda Jihadists "Will Stop At Nothing"

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Judging by the gruesome propaganda video being released by ISIS, it is no wonder the Iraqi soldiers and police stripped off uniforms and ran... As The Daily Mail reports, blood-thirsty jihadists are carrying out summary executions on civilians, Iraqi soldiers and police officers - including 17 in one street alone - on their warpath to Baghdad, the UN said today. As a shocking picture of the ISIS insurgency continues to develop, the Islamist group are posting barbaric videos online with the intent of showing the world they will stop at nothing to achieve their end game. The aim is to terrorise Sunnis in Iraq's army and police forces and deepen their already low morale. It appears to be working as that fear is one factor behind the stunning collapse of Iraqi security forces.

Via The Daily Mail,

In one, which is too graphic to publish, fighters are seen knocking on the door of a Sunni police major in the dead of night.

When he answers, they blindfold and cuff him. Then they carve off his head with a knife in his own bedroom as sweetly lilting religious hymns are played over the top.

Shock and awe: An ISIS propaganda video shows militants blindfolding a Sunni police major in his home before cutting off his head

Shocking: Footage reportedly taken by ISIS militants shows Islamist fighters randomly shooting pedestrians and motorists as they take over towns and cities in Iraq

Armed with a machine-gun, the gang film themselves shooting cars off the road then move in to video close-ups of the victims' blood-stained bodies slumped in the seats. In another clip, they gun down a pedestrian.

Video of the civilian killings

Sabre-rattling: An Islamic militant issues a call to arms, saying: 'Declare Allah the Greatest! Allah is the Greatest!' in a video released by ISIS

An explosion as militants of ISIS allegedly seize an Iraqi army checkpoint in the northern Iraqi province of Salahuddin

A man is executed in a propaganda video released this morning by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant as the Al Qaeda-inspired militants continue their march towards Baghdad

ISIS Propaganda video... (gruseome)

and the full uncensored compilation of horror...

Where we stand...

 

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Fri, 06/13/2014 - 14:38 | 4854319 Duffy Duck
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Agreed.  Makes me think Buck is lying, not deceived.  Look at Obama's appointments.  Who ran his whitehouse first term and who ran his campaign - his advisors...

hint:  not Muslims. 

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 17:01 | 4854849 Buckaroo Banzai
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Don't be a fool. There are Muslim brotherhood members and associates all over the Obama administration. The CIA director is a fucking Muslim convert!! These are documented FACTS.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 17:31 | 4854958 Esculent 69
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Buckaroo- funny how no one asks for proof of your assertions.  its because they know that you know that they know you are correct. 

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 14:52 | 4854390 Tall Tom
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I have read many predictions about a Sunni/Shia Civil War.

 

It seems to be panning out.

 

The Muslims have been fighting since the death of their Prophet Muhammad.

 

The Lines in the sand were drawn out at the end of World War I as the Ottoman Empire was broken apart. The Nation States that were fabricated in France were fictions that did not consider the Religious Factions.

 

You had best read some 20th Century World History.

 

The Zionist movement is just an extension of the Zealots from the time of Jesus Christ.

 

Same as it ever was...same as it ever was.

 

If you are seeking some Political Solution for peace in the Middle East then your faith is misplaced. It will not happen until the ascension of the Antichrist.

 

I believe Obama to be a "Secular Humanist" which is just another form of Satanism. He uses religion to further his political goals...nothing more...nothing less.

 

Obama practices homosexuality which is a sin under the Jewish, Muslim and Christian Religions, punishable by Death in the former two listed. He cannot be a practicing Christian, Jew, or Muslim and continue with his degenerate behavior.

 

That is my two cents for your consideration.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 15:37 | 4854577 Tall Tom
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You may downarrow my post from here to eternity but it will not change the Truth one iota.

 

From...

 

http://waronjihad.org/shiites191005.html

 

Not many of us today will realize and dare to predict that the Shiite-Sunni Civil war in Iraq today bloody as it is, presages a much greater and bloodier regional Shiite-Sunni and Arab-Persian war in the Middle East. This war that will unfold over the next twelve months will be by far the most bloodiest landmark in the history of War. This will be a war that will tear the Islamic world into two irreconcilable halves. A war that will not be a formal or declared one like a conventional war, but will be marked by increasingly bold and destructive terrorists attacks on Shiite targets, first in Iraq and later across the Islamic world.

 

If you really want an understand about what in the Hell is happening it will behoove you to READ ABOUT IT.

 

It may not make sense that Iran is sending troops into Bagdad unless you understand that Iran is a Shia Muslim Republic and that the United States installed a Shia Muslim Government in Iraq. When you understand this then it makes perfect sense.

 

I have many, many more sources as the Internet and books are replete with these sources.

 

So go ahead and be ignorant. Downarrow my post. Please. Be the "target for far away laughter".

 

It will give me a lot of material so that my friends and associates can laugh at you.

 

Actually I point the comments which are amusing out to many people.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 16:19 | 4854718 FeralSerf
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Those national boundaries may not have considered religious or tribal factions much, but they were very useful for England and her navy, British Petroleum and Royal Dutch Shell.

The sun never sets on the British Empire.

Thanks to a very oil thirsty navy and a hell of a lot of Indian cannon fodder and some Scots, Aussies and Canucks. It's good to be King.

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 03:57 | 4856075 AnAnonymous
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Obama is your typical 'american' president.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 14:37 | 4854312 Kirk2NCC1701
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All of Israel's neighbors are weak or shattered, thanks to the US war machine and US Debt.

It's a helluva price to pay for a bunch of fundamentalist Settlers to get their way:  Other people's land, and faux-peace.  Unprecedented use of Leverage, I'd say.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 16:19 | 4854716 TBT or not TBT
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It is shattered by premodern tribal inbred desert dwellers who suddenly received hard currencies and western technology, and multiplied their numbers, but did not stop being premodern tribal inbred desert dwellers.  It is unfortunately simple to understand.  

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 13:51 | 4856856 Seer
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Thank you for helping to clarify that you're a fundamentalist idiot.

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 20:56 | 4857679 TBT or not TBT
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Look up consanguine marriage.   Very high rates of it in Arab countries.   Goes together with tribalism, low IQs, and savagery 

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 13:20 | 4853883 AnAnonymous
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He ordered to whom? 'American' middle classers launching drones from their quiet bunkers, waiting for their 'american' checks to come?

Obama, as any 'american' president, exists to take the blame instead of the 'american' middle class.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 14:57 | 4854399 juangrande
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In the sense that our general population has no fucking clue about what's going on, nor really cares as long as it doesn't upset the latest greatest distraction, AnAn is correct!

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 15:15 | 4854483 g speed
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you have usually painted with too wide a brush and today proves no exception.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 17:22 | 4854765 juangrande
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^

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 04:00 | 4856079 AnAnonymous
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What too wide a brush?

Here's how 'americans' determine their collective: undivided, forcedly consensual through a majority established by vote.

By this 'american' measure, (that 'americans' might try to deny), there is no too wide a brush.

WeThePeople (aka the 'american' middle class) is undivided. Does it mean that every single one middle classer must think and vote the same? Of course not.

'Americans' prefer to live in fantasy rather than face the reality of 'americanism'.

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 10:28 | 4856424 juangrande
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That's actually too narrow of a brush. It's not just Americans....

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 13:53 | 4856864 Seer
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We're all under the illusion that we can somehow overpopulate the planet and live happily ever after...

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 15:21 | 4854518 Quantum Nucleonics
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One of the worst speeches delivered by a President in 150 years.  This was Obama's "malaise" speech. His foreign policy, such as there ever was one, is now in ashes. If he and his ass clown team had a shread of honor, they'd resign in mass.

Maybe we should bring back Bush 41? 90 and still jumping out of parachuting out of helicopters.  Say what you will, but at least we know he has a pair.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 16:33 | 4854761 BlindMonkey
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In hindsight his foresight to leave Saddam in power was nothing short of brilliant.

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 13:55 | 4856871 Seer
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"Maybe we should bring back Bush 41?"

If you like your NWO then you can keep your NWO!

Just like all other snotty-nosed east-coasters from family dynasties, Bush was riding on someone else's back for the "jump."

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 19:25 | 4855038 Everybodys All ...
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Obama's foreign policy is beyond strange. From what I can gather though is that he wants a weaker America. In Libya, Syria, Egypt, Israel, Palestine, Iraq, and in Iran he has generally supported the most extreme Islamist. The fact that Valerie Jarrett who is from Iran and in the presidents inner circle leads me to believe there is some influence going on from her in supporting Al Qaeda terrorists. This in my view is impeachable.

Benghazi was all about arming these Al Qaeda rebels in Syria who are now invading Iraq because they could not overthrow Assad. Chose to go to Iraq and overthrow an easier target in Maliki all thanks to Obama's exit strategy. Throw in the prisoner swap of Bergdahl for the Taliban 5 leadership and I wonder how anyone can conclude that this Obama foreign policy is not treasonous.

Today in fact, I read a headline on one of those checkout counter tabloids (believe me I don't put that much weight on this being true) and it said even Michele Obama said what side are you fighting on Obama. Just makes no sense at all.

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 01:31 | 4855963 TBT or not TBT
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Dinesh D'Sousa explained it pretty well. And woke up the justice department to find a 15k$ campaign finance law he broke and plea bargain him to just a couple of years in prison for it.   Obama on the other hand accepted credit card donations from all over the world in both 2008 and 2012, brazenly, and nothing from the FEC.   Still president.   No investigation.  Also, John Corzine.  

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 14:04 | 4856885 Seer
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"From what I can gather though is that he wants a weaker America."

Right.

Where do you get your logic from, supermarket tabloids?

The banking sector "voted" in Obama.  The US, despite its massive deficits and lack of contributions to production (if not counting weaponry), if not for having negotiated Bretton Woods, would have been long gone.  Yet, here we are, manipulating the entire world to crumble ahead of it [U.S.].

Strength has everything to do with RESOURCES.  Do you think that Russia would be able to be pushing back if it didn't have the oil and gas that it has?  The US has what?

Al Qaeda was started under the Reagan administration (http://www.globalresearch.ca/sleeping-with-the-devil-how-u-s-and-saudi-b...).

"how anyone can conclude that this Obama foreign policy is not treasonous."

ALL Party Pussies declare an opposition POTUS to be treasonous.  It's in your blood...

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 05:04 | 4856103 newbie vampire
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"[Syrian al-qaeda] Rebels “offer the best alternative to terrorists and brutal
dictators,”
the president said. Now it’s up to Congress to
support the idea of and green-light more aid, as is stipulated in
the War Powers Act."

Out of the horse's rear end.

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 08:30 | 4856237 August
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Those people in the lower right of the photo.... Holy Shit!

Is that what the elite of the US officer corps looks like these days?

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 08:31 | 4856239 August
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Those people in the lower right of the photo.... Holy Shit!

Is that what the elite of the US officer corps looks like these days?

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 23:20 | 4857921 monad
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No. Those are extras. The spy's handlers won't let US citizens near him. 

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 13:06 | 4853767 ceilidh_trail
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AnAnon- Done with your duties (picking up duty on the sidewalks) already? Well, get cleaning up the elevators!

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 13:39 | 4854018 AnAnonymous
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Cleaning the mess done by 'americans', that is what will take time, if only possible...

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 15:10 | 4854463 A Nanny Moose
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Cleaning the mess done by The GOVERNMENT of the UNTIED States of Amerika...

FIFY

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 03:42 | 4856065 AnAnonymous
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In 'american' societies, the 'american' middle class rules.

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 23:22 | 4857924 monad
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You're just David Rockefeller's type and he's looking for spare parts. If I were you I'd stfu. 

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:57 | 4853687 Cheater5
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NO SHIT!!!

One of the dudes is wearing multi-cam.  Not exactly your normal Jihadi issued BDUs (but they are US army spec ops standard issue BDUs).

Our dumb fucking idiot in chief just pissed a trillion+ dollars and god knows how many lives down the drain, and now we are going to have to ask Iran for help.

What a fucking asshole.

 

Maybe (and its just a thought) we should, instead of releasing any more detainees, summarily execute all of them on TV.  Gitmo solved.

 

 

 

 

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 13:21 | 4853888 Oldrepublic
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US taxpayers need a refund!

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 14:07 | 4856890 Seer
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"and now we are going to have to ask Iran for help."

Help for what?  Oil extraction?

"Maybe (and its just a thought) we should, instead of releasing any more detainees, summarily execute all of them on TV.  Gitmo solved."

Yeah, fuck the US Constitution and the notion that all should be held accountable to the law.  Let's just promote extra-judicial killings- whoopie!

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 13:04 | 4853771 Stoploss
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They all look like US troops.

Excellent work Barry.

Now, the only thing left to do is draw as many in as possible and kill them all right down to the last one.

It's over. It's way out of control.

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 14:08 | 4856894 Seer
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"Now, the only thing left to do is draw as many in as possible and kill them all right down to the last one."

And YOU KNOW who "they" are?

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 13:06 | 4853791 Canadian Dirtlump
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Not that is makes it ok because these western backed savages are just that - but much of that is from a video released last month from ISIS being presented as brand new, and it isn't.

 

What you have in the video as I have seen and understood is ISIS methodically stalking police, army, and politicians and killing them and their families. Much more than what rightly appears to be random.

 

This being twisted by the media for a purpose as I've said multiple times begs a question. This is going to normalize regular al quaeda in syria especially and help push iraq into a smashed or failed state.

 

I'm disappointed that the analysis here is falling into toeing the line.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 16:40 | 4854790 BlindMonkey
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Ok. Let's take it at face value that these drive bus were targeted and not random.

That changes what exactly? They are still brutal thugs and need to be fought by the Shites. (Not Americans).

Speaking of Americans, I hope we get our F-16 deliver team out of there ASAP. If not I hope they die a galant and manly death. They will not receive quarter from the al-Qaeda crew.

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 14:09 | 4856899 Seer
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"They are still brutal thugs and need to be fought by the Shites. (Not Americans)."

Depends on whether we want that oil under NWO global control or not...

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 13:23 | 4853910 bob_stl
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Yes, his agent John McCain was there about 6 months ago.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 13:55 | 4854109 sgt_doom
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The Great American Cluster Fuck

So it appears the American gov't has been financing and arming a bunch of al Qaeda jackholes in Syria, who together with those Sunni jackhole military types that Rumsfeld let loose, are now in Iraq killing everything in their path.

Not to worry though, the American corporate mcnews has reported that their killing and executions are too brutal for the regular al Qaeda, which has "officially disavowed" any connection to them --- gotta make their victims feel all the more better, huh?

So now we have AQAP (al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula), AQWYN (al Qaeda in the West Yemen Neighborhood), AQWS (al Qaeda in Wall Street, also known as Goldman Sachs, Chase and Morgan Stanley) and now ISIS (the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, backed originally by the United States government and we know on whose authority, now don't we?).

Obviously this speaks of the classic corporate vertical integration, the US gov't finances ISIS, originally in Syria, and may dispatch elements of the US military to fight them in Iraq, if they haven't already taken over the entire country by this time --- the US fighting itself once again?

First of all, this situation calls for McKinsey and Company to go there and do a major franchise consolidation as there are simply too many different franchises, along with the officially disavowed franchise, ISIS. Now they can't send Chelsea Clinton as she is no longer with McKinsey, and Rajat Gupta, formerly of McKinsey (and the Gates Foundation board, and a Rockefeller Foundation trustee) is in jail, but I'm sure they have other sleazoids available to do the job.

The fast food franchise operation, McDonald's, sets the standard for franchises. You never hear of somebody refer to McDonald's of Butthead, New York, or Vagina, Canada, although members of the uber sophisticate crowd might refer to them as Mickey D's, they are routinely referred to by one generic name.

Once they have combined all those various al Qaeda franchises, the American gov't can either fund them all, or attack them all, whichever appears most feasible to the governing douchetard of the moment!

It is being reported, in the USA that is, that a lack of intelligence has kept the US from sending in the drones and air support, but then this entire situation appears to stem from a serious lack of intelligence.

Of course, it really isn't about stupidity, by the profit and world financial domination.

And of course, this isn't a laughing matter when one views those horrible executions, which recalls the executions administered by Saddam's Republican Guard back when he was in power.

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 12:52 | 4856727 Cathartes Aura
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perpetual wars for perpetual profits

that franchise analogy works for me, given that I already acknowledge nationstates as fictions created primarily to train minds for "defending" the team flag, whilst imposing taxes & fines for bloated books of laws, simultaneously privitising prisons, every aspect of "living" comes with price-permit or a penalty-paid. 

and still the cheerleaders wave their flags & quote their verses of historical lies, and wait for their turns to vote, and volunteer to wear the uni-form of their

tax farm.

anyone who can't see the writing on the walls of past history, arming and pitting humans against each other'd for destruction and profiteering in this global coliseum slaughterhouse, is willfully ignorant.

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 14:10 | 4856902 Seer
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War Is A Racket - Smedley Butler.

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 13:13 | 4856779 11b40
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+100

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 14:37 | 4854315 BiteMeBO
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If they had gun control there would be smiles and handshakes all around. 

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 20:43 | 4855290 Pee Wee
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+1

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 03:45 | 4856068 AnAnonymous
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If they had gun control there would be smiles and handshakes all around.
________________________________

Very likely.

Considering that they are fed guns by 'americans', who do some 'american' business, having gun control would mean capacity to fend off 'americans' and do not serve the 'american' schemes of things.

That would probably put a lot of smiles on faces on people there.

Being sovereign in an 'american' world.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 15:32 | 4854561 Freddie
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Not just Obam and the Dems but the Neo-Cons too.  All of these (evil) people are defending our borders while helping Lindsey Graham, Soros and McCain's Isis band of Sunni pranksters.

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 14:11 | 4856904 Seer
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Amazing the racket that the MIC's set up!

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 15:50 | 4854614 gatorengineer
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This is just QE for the defense industry....

Some think tank came up with the idea if you arm both sides, then you can really kick up the military industrial complex.....

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 19:50 | 4855331 snodgrass
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Normally the US propaganda industry releases these kinds of images right before they intend to invade or join the war. They did this right before WW I and II. More recently there were all the false tales of horrors committed against the Kiwaits by Iraq. I'd check various non-US sources before believing anything.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 20:17 | 4855396 FOFOA
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War in Middle East = support for petrodollar = bearish for gold ???

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 15:02 | 4857007 galis
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dont worry  / western pussies.

 

we will take care of them... Israel that is..

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 01:35 | 4858034 El Oregonian
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1000 REPLIES! GREAT STORY...

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:41 | 4853552 gh0atrider
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What happens when you collaborate with American invaders.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:56 | 4853693 Buckaroo Banzai
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Yeah, but when you are talking about muslims, there is no "good side" to collaborate with. The entire middle east is a gigantic shitstain.

Sow the wind... reap the whirlwind.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 13:01 | 4853751 NOTaREALmerican
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Jump in the time-machine and inform the british!

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 15:12 | 4854476 A Nanny Moose
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Ghengis Khan knew how.

But his methods were....unsound.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 22:23 | 4855721 TBT or not TBT
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It's Jenjiss, if I reminisce correctly.  

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 22:22 | 4855481 TBT or not TBT
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The British didn't put much effort into their white man's  burden in the middle east, just organized by proxy, alliances, and force here and there.  They skipped it, sort of.  They did however work on India for over 200 years.   English is the common factor there now.   As is British law, parliamentary democracy and so on.  

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 03:53 | 4856073 AnAnonymous
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What an 'american' thing.

The starting point was much different. India could not be bent the same way as those regions in Middle East.

That is where the differences lies.

Just like the English could not bend the same way China.

As 'americans' say, weakness is a provocation to them. Some are weak, others are weaker.

The only thing English did in India is empoverishing regions by transferring wealth to England (noticeably all the region around the Ganges that very rich by the days standard)

The English set back India, that was their main contribution. But India is catching up, so much that 'americans' fear payback time.

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 14:17 | 4856917 Seer
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You have a direct hit.

However:

"The English set back India, that was their main contribution. But India is catching up, so much that 'americans' fear payback time."

India is NOT "catching up," and I doubt that there's any fear of "payback."  750 million folks in India live on $0.50/day- no "catching up" going to happen here!  My view is that India is and will always be fucked up just like it is: HUGE population; little in the way of resources.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 13:31 | 4853974 Bach's_bitch
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The rest of the world isn't exactly the garden of Eden is it? The Middle East is fucked for a lot of reasons other than Muslims or Islam, 100+ years of destabilising western influence being one of them, as also basic human nature.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 16:21 | 4854728 falconflight
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100 years ago these tribal entities were still using camel dung for kitchen cooking.

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 11:35 | 4856552 Incubus
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Sometimes it takes someone with a spine to say this:

 

Not all cultures are equivalent.  I don't care than you worship a skygod. and that the fact that you worship a skygod is part of the fabric of your culture.

 

By all standards, if your culture is deemed backwards, it's either you take steps to advance your society, or face obsolescence.

 

You want to play on a global stage, and want to impose your views on the rest of the world, then realize that people aren't going to go along with your plan. 

 

FOR every 100 radicals/fundamentals hellbent on converting the world, even through a pretension of being "peaceful"--

 

--there's a guy like me.  I will not yield to politically correct bullshit.  I will not yield to your social pressures.  I fucking love autonomy and independence.  That's the concept of this country, and that's what I'll fight for. I'll fight to prevent knocking back society 1000 years under the imposition of overbearing socio-economic-political-religious influences. 

"Don't tread on me."

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 12:14 | 4856650 Seer
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And when the oil and coal runs out?

You're so fucking steeped in hubris that you'll never see reality.

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 12:53 | 4856729 Calmyourself
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We have forest land they have camel dung..  I would rather be a woodcutter than a dung collector..

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 14:20 | 4856924 Seer
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"I would rather be a woodcutter than a dung collector."

And maybe the dung collectors would rather be woodcutters?  And if you found yourself in an area of limited trees I'd think that you'd probably be better off knowing how to collect and utilize dung.

I have trees, so, by matter of birth location, that is what my source of heating fuel is.

As a "woodcutter" you should hope that you and your surrounding civilization doesn't end up like the folks on Easter Island...

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 15:43 | 4857105 Incubus
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We'll be renaming earth "Easter Planet" in a few centuries, if civilization as we know it survives.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:40 | 4853553 alien-IQ
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Are you sure that's not the LAPD?

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:41 | 4853556 simplejack
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where do they get their money and weapons?  

 

is fighting a war expensive?

 

who's funding this group?

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:42 | 4853570 SAT 800
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"God" supplies the money and weapons. They're freedom fighters for "God".

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 13:18 | 4853870 dracos_ghost
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Actually, I heard the USDA has some surplus weapons they might part with.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 13:23 | 4853904 Meat Hammer
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And the squid does God's work - taxpayer subsidized God's work but God's work nonetheless.  I'm sure there are some tentacle prints on this.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 15:18 | 4854353 Kirk2NCC1701
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Dude, leave "God" out of this. 

I can assure you that "God" is merely a starship captain, archangels are the officers, and angels are the crew.  Fallen angels are/were mutinous crew.

The Federation now has laws (the Prime Directive), to prevent whacko megalomaniac captains messing with primitive cultures and their natural evolution.  All for good reason, as you can see, given the historically poor record of the desert god.

E.g. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4VRnXPDuXs

"Religion is THE ultimate human Ponzi" - Kirk

"To give up illusions and pretenses, is the beginning of Wisdom"

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 17:09 | 4854889 TeethVillage88s
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But Do we have all the Information & History of the Last 5,000 years. Typically in war, the Victor DESTROYS Libraries, books, documents, contracts, technology, buildings, culture, language, and on and on.

Some of the Names, Family names from old Mesopotamia seem to live on in European & Western families. Perhaps Semitic or Sumerian, Akkadian, Assyrian, Babylonian?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_of_Hammurabi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_of_Ur-Nammu

No Doubt US Laws & Federation Laws Originate from the Code of Hammurabi and those peoples.

No doubt we are not growing as people over the last 5 millennia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumer

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 12:17 | 4856656 Seer
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And then there's the BIG cleansing: apocolypse.  When all the lies (read "all religions and goerning structures") are revealed (actually, it's the "truth" that's revealed [though that should be "fact," as "truths" are malleable]).

Perpetual growth on a finite planet- stupid humans...

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 17:12 | 4854896 KanKhaderKhanKan
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LOL!

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:54 | 4853678 patb
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if you have religious zealots it's cheap and if they aren't supplied by Halliburton it's cheap.

The cost to tank up a toyota tundra, and weld a 30 cal machine gun in the back is real cheap.

communicate via cell phone.  A abg of rice and a string of dried veggies.  that keeps a jihadi

going for a week.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:59 | 4853723 simplejack
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what do they want, what is their goal?  and why?

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 13:30 | 4853965 11b40
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Indigenous guerrila fighters, just like the Viet Cong we could not defeat in V.N. 45 years ago.  

Like the Taliban we cannot defeat now - nor could the Russians, or the Brits before them, or the.....the list is long.

Unfortunately for us, it isn't about learning our lessons so we don't keep making the same mistakes.  No, it is about us doing the bidding of our masters and their financial interests.  It is feeding the MIC, the global banking cabal, and, in the M.E., the multi-national oil conglomeration.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 17:15 | 4854914 KanKhaderKhanKan
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Except ISIL's leadership the vast majority of these fighters are either non-Iraqi Arabs or supposedly non-Arab muslims. Very few of them are actually Iraqi. It's the Libyan/Afghan model all over again.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 18:33 | 4855139 Everybodys All ...
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You certainly can't defeat them with the stupid rules of engagement imposed by the US leadership.

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 14:34 | 4856950 Seer
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"You certainly can't defeat them with the stupid rules of engagement imposed by the US leadership."

What is being fought?

"Defeating" individuals is merely killing them.  This only opens up a new "job opportunity" for someone else.

The entire premise is fucked because you cannot kill an IDEA!

Anyone here promoting US intervention abroad is no libertarian...

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 10:59 | 4858413 11b40
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Please define what it means to "defeat" them.  Kill them all, or change their culture & Religion?  Make them love us and buy Ford trucks?  Impose governments who are friendly to the insterests of the West?  You know, governments we can bribe and load up with advanced military hardware to help keep the populations repressed.

We don't even know who "them" is.  Good guys or bad guys?  Today's good guys seem to be tomorrow's bad guys.

Bring me a clearly defined enemy who poses a real threat to America, and I will help kill as many as I can....but these never ending "wars" against concepts like terrorism and individual liberties like drugs are just bullshit.  Bullshit that is causing America to become less free and more impoverished.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 22:13 | 4855697 TBT or not TBT
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Uh, we did defeat them.  Then left.  Then dried up funding, THEN the north took over.  At the time of the downfall we just had an embassy to evacuate.   The communists met no American military resistance because they had left some years before.  During the actual Vietnam war the USA was involved in, no battles were lost by the good guys.  

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 13:03 | 4856748 11b40
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Not sure of your definition of a battle, but we actually lost a number of fights, like this one:

"Seven miles west of Khe Sanh on Route 9, and about halfway to the Laotian border, sat the U.S. Army Special Forces camp at Lang Vei. Khe Sanh had long been responsible for the defense of Lang Vei. Shortly after midnight on February 7, a large NVA force, reinforced with tanks, attacked the camp. Its mission was to destroy the Special Forces and their Vietnamese allies and to ambush any reinforcements coming from Khe Sanh. The Marines, fearing an ambush, did not attempt a relief, and after heavy fighting the camp was overrun. Ten American soldiers were killed; the rest managed to escape down Route 9 to Khe Sanh. Those 10 deaths were also left out of the official statistics."

A day of infamy for many SF's.

The fact is, we mostly owned the day, while the NVA and VC owned the night.  Any territory we held was soon converted after we left.  We started supporting the SVA in the 1950's.  They had a lagre, well equipped and well trained army.  They fought pretty well in Cambodia in 1970, but without the U.S. advisors and support had little initiative or appitite to engage the NVA.

We should not have been involved in the first place, and we stayed too long after our foolish adventure began.  Sound familiar?

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 14:02 | 4856881 TBT or not TBT
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We should have bombed the north right from the beginning(what Nixon did that brought about peace) just as we should have wiped out Iranian support of Iraqi insurgents by destroying Al Quds camps and supply like lines.   However, Democrats opposed fighting the enemy on the wrong side of some artificial lines.  Sound familiar?   

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 14:37 | 4856957 Seer
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Who the fuck is "we?"

You are clearly NOT a libertarian.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 10:47 | 4858383 11b40
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So, it was the Dummycrats fault.  

That would be hilarious, if not so lame.  Nixon took charge after he won the elections of '68 with his secret plan to end the war.  We bombed the shit out of North Viet Nam (ask John McCain), and he & Kissenger went after supply lines in Cambodia without anyone's permission in '69.  If by bringing about Peace you mean surrenduring, well, yes, Nixon did do that.

The Dummycrats did NOTHING to stop the Bush/Cheney Neo-con management of the Iraq war.  

What does sound familiar is the incessant attempts to re-write history by Imerialistic war mongers.

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 13:00 | 4856749 11b40
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Sat, 06/14/2014 - 12:27 | 4856675 Seer
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Don't make the mistake of thinking that these are all "mistakes," they are not.

ALL WARS are about resources.  In the past people would completely take over another group, usually inhabiting their lands, in order to obtain resources.  The US model, after identifying the failures of colonialism (British, French, Spanish...), is one of command and control: insert command into an area/country and then control resources (w/o, generally, having to "occupy").

The MIC and the banking cartels were NOT diminshed by the "mistakes."  Since they are only larger it might suggest that it's all been nothing more than success for them.   When the US is no longer capable of serving these folks they will move on elsewhere.

The Taliban was essentially a creation from the Cold War by the US.  A militant wing "al Qaeda" was created to drive out the Soviets from Afghanistan and to then push them into other countries peripheral to the USSR in order to break it up.  The Taliban fell out of US favor after they drove too hard a bargain on a pipeline deal: negotiating right up into the summer of 2001, at which time they were told that if they didn't take the deal that they'd be bombed back to the stone age.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 14:50 | 4854382 Kirk2NCC1701
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The cost of the Tundra gets even lower, if you leave out the 2 yr ToyotaCare free Maintenance and 24/7 Roadside Assistance, that comes with every Toyota.  Chances are, you won't even get to 10k miles (15k km) to change the oil+filter, given its ambient "life expectancy".

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 14:31 | 4854288 ThroxxOfVron
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"where do they get their money and weapons?  

 

is fighting a war expensive?

 

who's funding this group?"

 

I dunno.   I have no idea who the largest exporters of modern weapons might be.  

Sometimes it almost looks like the weapons are being gifted to People.  ...Flown into the airports or dropped into the wilderness and left to be discovered and seized...

 

Hard to know for sure who funds this violence.  

It's probably People who print lots of money and flood the world with it or who make tons of money from selling an abundance of natural resources that they happen to have access to instead of working the days away building things or selling services to other People.

 

I'm on my way to go out and buy some cheap plastic housewares and knock-off electronics gadgets that I don't really need but make me appear to conform to the expectations of my peers, and top off the gas tank in my car before the price goes up moar; -and I'll think about all of this a bit more while I'm out...

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 15:23 | 4854532 g speed
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MIC ---world wide arms sales dictate every army and group is well armed--as for money --well there's oil sales and balance of payments FX carry trade and the big banks that print and profit. 

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 18:31 | 4855130 Everybodys All ...
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Saudi Arabian oil money.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:40 | 4853558 nuclearsquid
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10 points at LEAST for the S&P

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:41 | 4853559 Momauguin Joe
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Things are coming to a head; pardon the pun.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:41 | 4853561 Wahooo
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I would think Putin would give us a sweet oil deal that allows us to walk away from the Middle East.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 13:15 | 4853851 Silky Johnson
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LOL, oh he wants a sweet deal alright but that sweetness involves us taking it in the arse with no vaseline. See in the world there are those with oil and those without. We turned the region from which we could have gotten plenty of cheap oil into a goddamn psycho circus. You can thank the tribe for that, at least they get to keep their stinky little shithole, for now.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:50 | 4853569 COSMOS
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AL CIADA working hard for you

Time to send in the Gurkhas and let them Kukri the heads off these Nutjihadis...

http://seanlinnane.blogspot.com/2012/02/gurkhas.html

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 20:35 | 4855439 cape_royds
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Brits deployed Gurkhas in Iraq. They are good troops, but they still didn't accomplish anything of note.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:43 | 4853572 alien-IQ
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I don't see these guys doing ANYTHING that Blackwater didn't also do with impunity and immunity so....whatever. Have at it. Kill more. Kill them all. It just doesn't matter any more.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:54 | 4853674 alien-IQ
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Here's Blackwater in action. Machine guns and Elvis, what can be more american?

Enjoy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBAKcn_smnA

Seriously, what's the fucking difference?

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 13:02 | 4853754 Buckaroo Banzai
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Yeah, I know. All those thousands of videos on YouTube of Blackwater guys chopping heads off and screaming psychotically are awful. Using women and children as human shields while they murder anyone or anything that gets in their way...

Wait, what?

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 13:22 | 4853894 Winston Churchill
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They are no different once the blood lust starts.You can bet the farm on it.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 17:19 | 4854932 KanKhaderKhanKan
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Psychopathy transcends ethnicity. It's why wars have occured on every continent.

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 14:44 | 4856966 Seer
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And here in the US, "God's country," we end up depriving women and children of food and medical aid in order to feed our roving band of MIC thugs.

When you're an invading country you don't have women and children of your own in which you have to dodge around.  And, what, you want these folks to jump out into the open lands and "do battle" like "honest" fighters, where upon they'd just be droned to death by some upstanding Christian sittting in a building in Nevada(?) pushing buttons?

What folks who whip up this "human shield" shit don't want to admit is that the "fighters" are being supported by the women and children and that in order to successfully "combat" it all us "invaders" would have to approve of being in violation of all that's good and honest and bomb them too!  Oh, wait! (wedding parties)

You and your ilk are no fucking different.  Hyporcrite bastards!

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:43 | 4853575 Itchy and Scratchy
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Turns Hillary on to see men chopping other men's heads off!

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:45 | 4853595 COSMOS
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Nuland loves it when explosions blow heads off of little kids and their moms...

I hear she is great in Online games with the Sniper 'HEADSHOT'

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:43 | 4853577 CrashisOptimistic
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I'll bet these horrible demonic people then eat the victims or force children to eat them.

They must be stopped!!! 

(Unless they bypass all oil production facilities.  If they do that, then it's just a cultural contrast).

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:43 | 4853582 Eyeroller
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Will videos this weekend of ISIS with their American hostages be enough to bring the Dow down 50 points?

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:45 | 4853585 Dr. Engali
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What a fucking waste. The whole damn thing makes me sick. The worst part is we probably didn't learn a damn thing from this and we will continue our world meddling. We didn't learn from Vietnam and we won't learn from Iraq.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:48 | 4853610 COSMOS
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We have a lot of war criminals in our govt, by proxy we are the New Reich sowing seeds and destruction around the world.

Long live the whatever number REICH we are ON!!!

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:49 | 4853619 Itchy and Scratchy
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The 'military complex' made out just fine in both of 'em!

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:48 | 4853621 Quinvarius
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Pax Americana has been dead for a decade.  Now the corpse is starting to stink...bad.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:50 | 4853636 alien-IQ
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Sure we've learned from these experiences. We've learned that war is too profitable a machine to ever turn it off.

When killing becomes a for profit industry, you'd be wise to make room for a lot of graves.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 13:23 | 4853906 XitSam
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The Forever War by Joe Haldeman

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 21:34 | 4855569 Calmyourself
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One of the most engaging reads ever +100

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 19:22 | 4855264 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Sure we've learned from these experiences. We've learned that war is too profitable a machine to ever turn it off.

That's why it's been running nonstop since the "end" of WW2.

It ran a lot before then as well; I'm just saying that FDR's iteration of it is still running, still bleeding.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:56 | 4853697 cougar_w
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It's not true that we didn't learn anything from Iraq.

Because clearly someone learned how to make easy money on the "war against terror".

This replaced the more recently over-cooked "war against communism" that got us into Vietnam. Also ver very profitable at the time.

These same guys will be selling us the clubs and stones we'll be murdering each other with in about 50 years, when the wheels finally and for the last time fall off the death train of the M/IC.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 13:11 | 4853786 Dr. Engali
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Very true, my comments were geared towards the flag-waving cretins that allow these assholes to get away with this time after time. The MIC, the bankers, and the people in power will always be a corrupt bunch of assholes, but the American people keep falling for the same old bullshit.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 20:42 | 4855310 Pee Wee
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MOAR STIMULUS!

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 13:02 | 4853738 CrashisOptimistic
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There's nothing new to be learned, Doc.

You have to have the oil.  Nothing else matters.

That has already been learned.

Oh and no fucking way in hell other Gulf producers can compensate for Iraq's 3 million bpd -- unless Obama announces that Iran has agreed to everything and has shut down all nuclear research (whether they have or not) and can start shipping oil again.

(Except at most they might ship 1 million bpd more than they are already shipping around sanctions)

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 13:08 | 4856769 bag holder
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Maybe if Americans would start telecommuting once in a while we wouldn't have these "geopolitical problems". How many million barrels per day do we spend driving back and forth to office buildings, versus important things like moving food and goods around?

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 14:50 | 4856977 Seer
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"Maybe if Americans would start telecommuting once in a while we wouldn't have these "geopolitical problems"."

Um, eventually if fails.  The premise is of perpetual growth, and that demands unlimited (and increasingly [exponentially] available energy).  But, you're right, the "driving back and forth to office buildings" is totally insane; it, however, WILL stop, and it's not a matter if IF but WHEN.  Also, less and less will we be moving goods around: one can see how this is shaping up by watching Wal-Marts' operating model starting to tremble (they're increasingly starting to source more locally).

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 13:02 | 4853759 BigJim
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Who's 'we'? Everyone downstream from the MIC and banks have done very nicely out of decades of war.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 13:22 | 4853898 AnAnonymous
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We, WeThePeople aka the 'american' middle class.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 14:40 | 4854336 ThroxxOfVron
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"We, WeThePeople aka the 'american' middle class."


The American Middle Class doesn't have control of the United States.  

There is NO fucking Republic.  There isn't even a fucking half-assed Democracy here.

The Oligarchy controls the United States Corporation.  -& not all of the Memebers of the Oligarchy in question live in the United States.  It's a Trans-Globablist association.

 

Once the work of dismantling and destroying the American Middle Class is completely finished will Everyone please agree to cease using them, and their children, and the fading memories of their oh so brief time of relative prosperity; as a proxy excuse for all of this theft and murder by those that actually contrive and implement and sustain it?

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 07:11 | 4856175 AnAnonymous
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The oligarchs serve the 'american' middle class. This is how they got rich.

Should they try to use their wealth in a way that do not please the 'american' middle class and they've just bought themselves a ticket for poverty.

This is how it works in an 'american' society.

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 14:52 | 4856981 Seer
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You're correct on your assessment here, but, things are pretty much going the same with any affluent societies (until, that is, the affluence wanes).

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 17:52 | 4854972 Chief Wonder Bread
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I miss Akak.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:45 | 4853591 Peter Pan
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Who is backing them?

The rest I can figure out for myself.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:50 | 4853637 seek
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I could see Russia doing it to provide a distraction from the Ukraine, or Israel doing it to get the US back into the game near Iran, and the do some false flags to justify a US intervention inside Iran.

There's also a plausible theory that they've gotten big enough to sustain themselves via looting in weaker areas.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 13:25 | 4853913 FeralSerf
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It's a Company operation. Financed by the Emir and his Zionist pals. BP and the Queen are interested parties. The Russians, ie. Gasprom, and Iran will be the losers when the Sunni gas begins to flow to one of the world's largest markets for NG.

Vast NG reserves don't do you much good if you can't sell it.

"The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves." -- Vladimir Lenin (and his successors, TPTB)

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:50 | 4853641 Itchy and Scratchy
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Follow the $$$ trail!

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:55 | 4853689 kowalli
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Saudi piss off of USA and UK for stealing their gold in London banks - that's my guess

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:58 | 4853719 Nevsky
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A better question, Comrade, would be, who backed (armed and trained) them before the came off the couph Obama's couph couph leash. Or maybe they are still are on it?

 

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 14:41 | 4854311 Robb
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+100 

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:46 | 4853598 NoWayJose
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This is the same strategy and tactics that Saddam Hussein used to control the very same rebels.  If anyone thinks we are now living in a civilized world, they just need to watch and be aware of this kind of barbarism.  The Nazis were more efficient at exterminating large numbers of people, but their brutality is equalled today on a smaller scale in many, many, many places around the globe.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:58 | 4853720 AnAnonymous
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'Americanism' has always been a de-civilizing process.

Now that most civilizations are gone, destroyed by 'americans', it starts to show. Big time.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 13:11 | 4853779 CCanuck
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The evolution of the “Civilized World”; civilized is a word often used to measure the success or failure of a culture or society. As a skeptic, I have difficulty with the word civilized and how it applies to the evolution of societies and humanity.

 

From the Merriam-Webster dictionary:

Civilized (adjective)

: marked by well-organized laws and rules about how people behave with   each other

: polite, reasonable, and respectful

: pleasant and comfortable

:  characteristic of a state of civilization <civilized society>; especially :  characterized by    taste, refinement, or restraint

 

Civ·i·lize  (Verb)

: to teach (a person or group of people) to behave in a way that you think is more polite and gentle

: to make (something) more gentle, fair, reasonable, etc.

: to cause (a group of people) to have a more highly organized and modern way of living

From Dictionary Reference.com

civ•i•lized, civ•i•liz•ing, verb (used with object)

: to bring out of a savage, uneducated, or rude state; make civil; elevate in social and private life; enlighten; refine: Rome civilized the barbarians.

 

            How do the definitions align with the concept people have regarding the evolution of mankind. I am struck by some the definitions, and the contrast to the behaviour of the “Civilized Societies” on earth. I am also struck by the verb; to teach, to make, to cause, to enlighten, to bring out of savage.

 

When a conquering society civilizes the “Savage Barbarians”, it always ends in death, destruction, torture and enslavement; not enlightenment, or elevation to higher social standing. When comparing the definition to civilized societies vs. tribal societies, I am hardly surprised (skeptic) to find the tribal societies fit the description better than the “Civilized Scociety” could ever hope to. 

The tribal societies are definitely lacking technological evolution; however does that mean they are uncivilized? Tribal natives of New Guinea have evolved in harmony with their environment; thousands of years without destroying the planet. Imagine human evolution without destruction; have the Natives failed to evolve as it relates to humanity, or just failed to evolve from a scientific and technological perspective?

A small portion of a submission to a college history class.

 

Civilized Eh...

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 13:22 | 4853899 indio007
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Civilization = Adminstration of the Law of the Romans.

 

 

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 15:02 | 4857003 Seer
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From Derrick Jensen (http://www.derrickjensen.org/work/miscellaneous/endgame-excerpt-civiliza...):

If I’m going to contemplate the collapse of civilization, I need to define what it is. I looked in some dictionaries. Webster’s calls civilization “a high stage of social and cultural development.” The Oxford English Dictionary describes it as “a developed or advanced state of human society.” All the other dictionaries I checked were similarly laudatory. These definitions, no matter how broadly shared, helped me not in the slightest. They seemed to me hopelessly sloppy. After reading them, I still had no idea what the hell a civilization is: define high, developed, or advanced, please. The definitions, it struck me, are also extremely self-serving: can you imagine writers of dictionaries willingly classifying themselves as members of “a low, undeveloped, or backward state of human society”?

I suddenly remembered that all writers, including writers of dictionaries, are propagandists, and I realized that these definitions are, in fact, bite-sized chunks of propaganda, concise articulations of the arrogance that has led those who believe they are living in the most advanced—and best—culture to attempt to impose by force this way of being on all others.

I would define a civilization much more precisely, and I believe more usefully, as a culture—that is, a complex of stories, institutions, and artifacts— that both leads to and emerges from the growth of cities (civilization, see civil: from civis, meaning citizen, from Latin civitatis, meaning city-state), with cities being defined—so as to distinguish them from camps, villages, and so on—as people living more or less permanently in one place in densities high enough to require the routine importation of food and other necessities of life. Thus a Tolowa village five hundred years ago where I live in Tu’nes (meadow long in the Tolowa tongue), now called Crescent City, California, would not have been a city, since the Tolowa ate native salmon, clams, deer, huckleberries, and so on, and had no need to bring in food from outside. Thus, under my definition, the Tolowa, because their way of living was not characterized by the growth of city-states, would not have been civilized. On the other hand, the Aztecs were. Their social structure led inevitably to great city-states like Iztapalapa and Tenochtitlán, the latter of which was, when Europeans first encountered it, far larger than any city in Europe, with a population five times that of London or Seville. Shortly before razing Tenochtitlán and slaughtering or enslaving its inhabitants, the explorer and conquistador Hernando Cortés remarked that it was easily the most beautiful city on earth. Beautiful or not, Tenochtitlán required, as do all cities, the (often forced) importation of food and other resources. The story of any civilization is the story of the rise of city-states, which means it is the story of the funneling of resources toward these centers (in order to sustain them and cause them to grow), which means it is the story of an increasing region of unsustainability surrounded by an increasingly exploited countryside.

German Reichskanzler Paul von Hindenburg described the relationship perfectly: “Without colonies no security regarding the acquisition of raw materials, without raw materials no industry, without industry no adequate standard of living and wealth. Therefore, Germans, do we need colonies.”

Key: "The story of any civilization is the story of the rise of city-states, which means it is the story of the funneling of resources toward these centers (in order to sustain them and cause them to grow), which means it is the story of an increasing region of unsustainability surrounded by an increasingly exploited countryside."

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:48 | 4853612 Peter Pan
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There are limits to lunacy and the limit is fast approaching.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:49 | 4853631 NOTaREALmerican
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Well, not if humans are involved.

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