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Gruesome Footage Of ISIS Atrocities Reveals Al Qaeda Jihadists "Will Stop At Nothing"
Judging by the gruesome propaganda video being released by ISIS, it is no wonder the Iraqi soldiers and police stripped off uniforms and ran... As The Daily Mail reports, blood-thirsty jihadists are carrying out summary executions on civilians, Iraqi soldiers and police officers - including 17 in one street alone - on their warpath to Baghdad, the UN said today. As a shocking picture of the ISIS insurgency continues to develop, the Islamist group are posting barbaric videos online with the intent of showing the world they will stop at nothing to achieve their end game. The aim is to terrorise Sunnis in Iraq's army and police forces and deepen their already low morale. It appears to be working as that fear is one factor behind the stunning collapse of Iraqi security forces.
Via The Daily Mail,
In one, which is too graphic to publish, fighters are seen knocking on the door of a Sunni police major in the dead of night.
When he answers, they blindfold and cuff him. Then they carve off his head with a knife in his own bedroom as sweetly lilting religious hymns are played over the top.
Shock and awe: An ISIS propaganda video shows militants blindfolding a Sunni police major in his home before cutting off his head
Shocking: Footage reportedly taken by ISIS militants shows Islamist fighters randomly shooting pedestrians and motorists as they take over towns and cities in Iraq
Armed with a machine-gun, the gang film themselves shooting cars off the road then move in to video close-ups of the victims' blood-stained bodies slumped in the seats. In another clip, they gun down a pedestrian.
Video of the civilian killings
Sabre-rattling: An Islamic militant issues a call to arms, saying: 'Declare Allah the Greatest! Allah is the Greatest!' in a video released by ISIS
An explosion as militants of ISIS allegedly seize an Iraqi army checkpoint in the northern Iraqi province of Salahuddin
A man is executed in a propaganda video released this morning by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant as the Al Qaeda-inspired militants continue their march towards Baghdad
ISIS Propaganda video... (gruseome)
and the full uncensored compilation of horror...
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You could ask that of the German People of the 30's and 40's, the Peoples of the CCCP, Ruwanda, Cambodia, and the list is endless. A tiny minority, if committed can and does drive history. That's why I'm so angry at Americans for allowing such evil to now permeate every facet of this society.
I agree with that, falcon.
I'm really bashing the ideological and Religious mindset that leads to these atrocities. The Arab world needs to reach the 18th century enlightenment...it would be a step in the right direction to see religion as a racket run by hypocrites (like the douche bags doing the drive-by).
Regarding Americans "allowing such evil", we were asked to leave. So we left.
I've said in prior posts, this conflict is now between Hezbollah/Iran and ISIS. That is where you should focus your blame. Religion as a general proposition should also be on your hit list.
That will never happen.
What many Westerners don't understand is that unlike every other major religion Islam isn't just about spirituality/worship. It's a complete way of life. It dictates how to live daily life, conduct politics, conduct business, the status of people in society (e.g. kafir, women, etc.), even how to take a poop and which hand to use when you wipe (from the Hadiths).
Islam is anti-everything that isn't Islamic. There isn't really room for any other ideas because Islam professes to be the endpoint of history - the ultimate, perfect way to live your life as handed down by God in the Koran and Hadiths and so forth.
So forget about any kind of enlightenment. That would require Muslims to completely abandon their way of life.
Not gonna happen.
I don't know. It wasn't too long ago the Western world was bassackward, too. We still have remnants here, ie Mormans, fundamental Baptists, Amish, etc. Now, I do think that in some respects, some of their beliefs are useful. It's just they were taken to extreme. That's the problem with BELIEF systems.
The thing to remember is that we are all members of that particularly odd/unique species called human beings. And, I'm of the firm knowledge that we are collectively tied together in a Jungian way. So, as some of us clear out the programming and become more lucid, others will inevitably move in that direction. If we can postpone Armageddon long enough, we might get it together, eventually. I encourage everyone to stop pointing and bitching, and get your own shit together!
People toss out "enlightenment" like it's some agreed upon Fact. It's a fucking OPINION.
I'll suggest that any such notion is dead, D E A D, in the water as resource scarcity (and plagues etc) set in. The entire notion of "enlightenment" is an elaborate tool of self-deception used by TPTB to control/rule over others.
All cultures that have been around for a while and are still in an area from which they formed tend to be based on survival.
"So forget about any kind of enlightenment. That would require Muslims to completely abandon their way of life."
Again, this is more based on OPINION than fact. Beware of the insidiousness of human hubris...
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I try never to say "never"...but you I agree with your position.
Novictim; point taken but is Islam strictly a means of worship by individuals,or is is a ideology that transcends all facets of a nation's life? Some, especially many of the Left would call Americans who believe in God as Christian Taliban, but obviously that's nothing but a noxious slur geared to demonize and dehumanize a political point of view that often overlaps with American Protestants in particular. Moslems assert that Sharia and the tenets of Islam is the only path for those of its society, period. Pluralism is a filthy Western concept to them. That's why there are so few of other faiths in Arab nations in particular. Even now there are numerous attacks upon Christians throughout the middle east and southwest asia. Islam needs to be reformed from the outside.
In reverse order:
We can't even reform Islam from within our Western Democracies much less could we reform it from the West.
The books and writings of Thomas Paine and Jefferson and Voltaire and Montesquieu are freely available over web yet you will never hear them quoted or appreciated as worthy concepts by Islamic scholars.
Obviously, if there is no truthful dialogue or appreciation of the journey the West went through to gain its freedoms by the people saddled with the Koran, then we should not expect real reform anytime soon.
I've argued before that Islam as practiced to the letter of its scripture cannot ever be compatible with Western values and should be treated as a dangerous cult and should influence immigration policy. Harsh? Yes, but humane in the long run.
Yes, Islam is as political as Christianity ever was when we REALLY believed in that bullshit. Truth is that Christianity has been neutered and tamed by the larger society's skepticism and intolerance of intolerance. Islam needs the same treatment if it is to be made compatible with democracy and pluralism.
Never enough 'americans' on Earth.
By the way, these guys are 'american'.
Their crimes: they behave the 'american' way so ostensibly it disturbs established 'americans' and their fabled past.
Sorry, AnAon, we were speaking of concepts and ideas as being important.
Next time we'll take it all the way down to your level, ok? We'll just talk about "bad guys" and "good guys" and "stuff", promise.
A small majority in Germany?
Numbers always keep acting strange when manipulated by 'americans'...
When they capture 10 pc of an electorate, that is ruling by the majority...
When a guy is able to put millions of people on the streets so they can be fed with his words, it only takes a small majority...
Go figure, numbers and 'americans'...
This is the same group FUNDED and ARMED by the USA, due to the fact that the Jewish Lobby ALWAYS gets what it wants. These American supported THUGS committed CANNIBALISM in Syria, this is what McCain and Jonah Kohn aka John Kerry supported.
The media, and I include most of the alternative media, did NOT examine the MOVERS & SHAKERS for the Iraq war, here is the real story on Iraq.
"The war on Iraq: Conceived in Israel," February 2003
War on Iraq: Not oil but Israel October 22, 2004
A closer look: The Israeli origins of Bush II's war. April 24, 2005
Both your post and JR’s below have zeroed in on the foundation for this Iraqi disaster; namely, the campaign of Jewish lobbyists and money provided by the Jewish-dominated Federal Reserve to hit Israel’s enemies.
It was the US taxpayers that paid with their standard of living to break a fully functioning sovereign country, the most advanced society in the Muslim world. And it is these same tyrants who have resolved to break another land - Ukraine.
The American people are sealing their fate; how many innocents throughout the world will have their lives and properties destroyed before the next in line are the Americans themselves?
Saddam would know how to deal with this
Saddam was at least a secular butcher.
Saddam also thought Iraq owned Kuwait. hmm makes you wonder where this is going?
Kuwait was swiping his oil.
Yes, he did think that in his own Saddam way.
I guess taking prisoners , gets too expensive.
Well there are prisons, Abu Ghreib under Saddam comes to mind, and there are luxury prisons like Club Gitmo. That one cost taxpayers...Well Ok bond holders, a lot. The Obama Doctrine seems to drone them where they stand and he has no complaints from me. Irregular combatants and enemies in the process of evil becoming pink mist is a good thing.
Regarding America’s moral dilemma, John le Carré long ago posed this question: how can we defend ourselves, via espionage networks, using Machiavellian, unscrupulous methods, and still remain the kind of society that is worth defending?” – The Editors, Tinker,Tailor, Soldier, Spy.
Bob Woodward said that Colin Powell said that entry into Iraq was like the old pottery barn rule: “You break it, you own it.” And, now, the former Secretary of State actually owns a great deal more of the broken Iraq than the rest of us because it was Powell who went before the UN to offer fraudulent proof that the Iraqis had WMDs.
Then, courtesy of the international oligarchs, seeking expansion of Empire and confiscation of oil reserves and intercession on behalf of Israel, the printed money was provided for the two-phase war on Iraq: Phase I) completely destroy the infrastructure, level villages, firebomb cities, and kill as many enemy combatants as possible. Phase II) send in waves of US-paid contractors, political operatives and rebuild electrical grids, water systems, roads and highways, government buildings and award no-bid contracts to US companies with connections to the Fed's money spigot.
The man in a suit about to be murdered in the photograph is a symbol of a broken country – and not just the broken state of Iraq but the broken state of the United States of America.
To the owners of the Federal Reserve: You own America and you’ve broken her.”
And to think that pre-USA, according to Wikipedia, under Hussein and revenue from Iraq’s oil resources the Iraqi people had “historically been one of the one of the most highly educated, industrious, and entrepreneurial people in the Middle East…a majority of Iraqis lived most of their adult lives under Saddam Hussein”:
“Within just a few years, Iraq was providing social services that were unprecedented among Middle Eastern countries. Saddam established and controlled the ‘National Campaign for the Eradication of Illiteracy’ and the campaign for ‘Compulsory Free Education in Iraq,’ and largely under his auspices, the government established universal free schooling up to the highest education levels; hundreds of thousands learned to read in the years following the initiation of the program. The government also supported families of soldiers, granted free hospitalization to everyone, and gave subsidies to farmers. Iraq created one of the most modernized public-health systems in the Middle East, earning Saddam an award from the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO).
“With the help of increasing oil revenues, Saddam diversified the largely oil-based Iraqi economy. Saddam implemented a national infrastructure campaign that made great progress in building roads, promoting mining, and developing other industries. The campaign helped Iraq's energy industries. Electricity was brought to nearly every city in Iraq, and many outlying areas.”
God help us.
Well, certainly then I'd be willing to over look those rape rooms created for his son's and top government personnel's amusement. And we can blame Rumsfeld for the gassing of 100,000 Kruds and Shia after Desert Storm...oh and the hundreds of thousands who died when Saddam's Revolutionary Guard attacked Iran's Revolutionary Guard. I think Saddam certainly can be excused for the employment of chemical munitions on the battlefield against the Ayatollahs' forces.
Your logic holds that America’s Iraq war was a good idea, that it achieved its purpose, even though the US earlier had made profitable deals with Saddam Hussein's government in Iraq which had launched a war on Iran and continued it with U.S. support. If that’s true, you probably agree that we need to return to Mosul and Fallujah with some heavy airstrikes and armor and solve that problem once again.
If I understand your point, savagery needs to be dealt with and perhaps you’ll agree with me – that Israel should be next because of her treatment and occupation of Palestine.
It was in it's original version, a bold historic plan that was bearing fruit of a geopolitical nature (Different debate as to whether we should be involved in such machinations). I'm sorry that GW failed to abide by the plan and allowed the mission to morph into nation building. Iraq was/is a very important place, Afghanistan ain't worth more than the Bush administration was will to commit which was not more than CIA and Special Ops personnel. Perfect footprint there.
Obama purposely used American blood as political cannon folder when tens of thousands of troops were sent there and at the same time declaring we'd leave by 2014. Now that is truly evil. Again, when evaluating history, context is everything.
Is there nothing you don't wrong? Afghanistan is one of the most mineral rich areas on earth, it contains oil, gold gas, oil and minerals too numerous to list. Whoever controls it, controls the world. That is why Russia was there by the way.
The King of Jordan and Assad of Syria has killed multiples of more Arabs calling themselves Palestinians than the Israelis ever did. Go talk to the Egyptians who walled off Gaza during their...can I say it: Occupation. Israeli Arabs and even those in Judah and Samaria have much higher standards of living, education, and any other measurement used to quantify livelihood. In fact there is no Arab nation whose population is as well educated than Arabs living under alleged occupation in Judah and Samaria.
That is because Jordan royals are Israeilis.
Oh, before I forget, Saddam was Iraq's Abraham Lincoln when he tried to "perserve the Union" in 1991 and bring Kuwait back into the fold so to speak. Abraham...??? Hmmm, I hope he wasn't a crypto-jew too....
You know, the people of Iraq and Saddam Hussein are different people. Saddam is dead. Isn't it time to quit killing the people?
I don't know how to stop it except through war until one side quits.
Maybe the US could stop some of the killing by stopping to send the majority of the weapons.
But will nations not aligned similarly do the same....stop sending weapons?
AK's are very cheap. Weapons aren't the cause of this. People kill people, incidentally using guns, but there is never a lack of weapons.
How could there be an lack of weapons with an industrial production, perpetual production with demand being fueled by principles like people must own weapons in peace times?
But will nations not aligned similarly do the same....stop sending weapons?
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Responsibility as told by 'americans'.
Aint it great? Always the fault of some other persons?
And who is going to feed the world market of weapons with such tremendous capacities? The negroes? They dont even have facilities to produce guns or gun powder...
PeopleS of "Iraq". Plural, with scare quotes around "Iraq" No sovereign entity there for more than a decade now.
Saddam was a piece of shit. He deserved the rope. A ruthless fuck. I walked his former soil.
Was it our job to bring him down? Probably not. But we did and now it is what it is.
We just have piss poor leaders with no easy way to change it. Our voting system is dysfunctional. What to do?
I must admitI know what is going to happen. I just don't care anymore. We need a lot of change that must occur at the end of a barrel. It's true. Fact.
Nothing will changehere until a massive uprising draws attention to our plight. If it doesn't work? More barrel. It's on the way. No stopping it now.
That's my take on it too. Just a matter of time.
Great post JR. +100
Saddam was a Nationalist.
That is not allowed.
Uh, he was a Sunni, a minority of Iraqis which ruled over a couple other ethnicities, brutally. There is no nation of Iraq. Never has been never will be.
Read the history of the Ba'ath party. It is secular, socialist and nationalist.
It was an effort to dilute European hegemony.
Your assertions do have merit, imo, but I have to still say Saddam was an Arab Nationalist.
Ok, but cui bono'd, under Saddam? People from his home town, his ethnic background. Some Arabs were better than others, under his Arab nationalism.
What was Powell supposed to do? He went up the chain because he covered up the Mai Lai massacre in Vietnam. It doesn't hurt that he and Cheney and the queen are all cousins either.
Gather those heads and throw them over Syrias border all at once.
For the last few years I have been posting my attacks on the US Government for it's insane policies of support for Al-Qaeda in Syria and for the destruction of Libya. I claimed that we were creating a monster and unleashing Sunni Jihad. I assume my name is all over the NSA files for my attacks on US Government policy.
I wonder if the folks at NSA will now admit I was right all along? Bush and Obama combined are war criminals of epic proportions. The game of an alliance with Sunni Jihad to further US and Israeli foreign policy goals was nuts to start with. How much proof do we need that this is indeed the case?
How much money, how many lives spent in Iraq, now Jihad has flooded across from US terror camps in Syria into Iraq. We funded them, armed them and offered training. We shipped them in from Libya and other Middle East countires. NATO nations are providing ISIS thousands of fighters. Yes, Britain has more leaving every day to go fight Jihad, my own state, Minnesota, has recorded a few dozen muslim american citizens having left to fight for America's terrorists in Syria, it is reported many are now in Iraq.
Oh, let's deal with a war criminal costing 58,000 American's lives, countless crippled men, and maybe 2,000,000 Viets killed. Gulf of Tonkin resolution? The Dems in the Congress even admitted that it was a false flag op. I think the ME has far more geo-strategic value than a dozen VietNams could ever have possessed. Context is everything when assessing history.
So, the chosen people have chosen the people of the Middle East for whom we Americans are chosen to lay down our lives?
Are you referring to the Family Saud?
Both I think. Saudi Arabia and Israel have an alliance that goes way back. In public it is denied, in the real world they work together hand in glove. Saudi's did 9/11 and Israel benefited most from 9/11. A win win.
An alliance? Really...I haven't seen anything ever to suggest such a construct unless allowing Israeli jets to overfly Saudi airspace in the 1981 raid on the Osirk nuclear site qualifies. The Saudis are the prime financiers of Sunni Jihad.
http://dublinsmick.wordpress.com/2013/08/24/the-donmeh-the-middle-easts-...
http://thirteenthmonkey.blogspot.com/2011/11/donmeh_08.html
There is a historical “eight hundred pound gorilla” lurking in the background of almost every serious military and diplomatic incident involving Israel, Turkey, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Greece, Armenia, the Kurds, the Assyrians, and some other players in the Middle East and southeastern Europe. It is a factor that is generally only whispered about at diplomatic receptions, news conferences, and think tank sessions due to the explosiveness and controversial nature of the subject. And it is the secretiveness attached to the subject that has been the reason for so much misunderstanding about the current breakdown in relations between Israel and Turkey, a growing warming of relations between Israel and Saudi Arabia, and increasing enmity between Saudi Arabia and Iran…
Although known to historians and religious experts, the centuries-old political and economic influence of a group known in Turkish as the “Dönmeh” is only beginning to cross the lips of Turks, Arabs, and Israelis who have been reluctant to discuss the presence in Turkey and elsewhere of a sect of Turks descended from a group of Sephardic Jews who were expelled from Spain during the Spanish Inquisition in the 16th and 17th centuries. These Jewish refugees from Spain were welcomed to settle in the Ottoman Empire and over the years they converted to a mystical sect of Islam that eventually mixed Jewish Kabbala and Islamic Sufi semi-mystical beliefs into a sect that eventually championed secularism in post-Ottoman Turkey. It is interesting that “Dönmeh” not only refers to the Jewish “untrustworthy converts” to Islam in Turkey but it is also a derogatory Turkish word for a transvestite, or someone who is claiming to be someone they are not.
The Donmeh sect of Judaism was founded in the 17th century by Rabbi Sabbatai Zevi, a Kabbalist who believed he was the Messiah but was forced to convert to Islam by Sultan Mehmet IV, the Ottoman ruler. Many of the rabbi’s followers, known as Sabbateans, but also “crypto-Jews,” publicly proclaimed their Islamic faith but secretly practiced their hybrid form of Judaism, which was unrecognized by mainstream Jewish rabbinical authorities. Because it was against their beliefs to marry outside their sect, the Dönmeh created a rather secretive sub-societal clan.
The Dönmeh rise to power in Turkey
Many Dönmeh, along with traditional Jews, became powerful political and business leaders in Salonica. It was this core group of Dönmeh, which organized the secret Young Turks, also known as the Committee of Union and Progress, the secularists who deposed Ottoman Sultan Abdulhamid II in the 1908 revolution, proclaimed the post-Ottoman Republic of Turkey after World War I, and who instituted a campaign that stripped Turkey of much of its Islamic identity after the fall of the Ottomans. Abdulhamid II was vilified by the Young Turks as a tyrant, but his only real crime appears to have been to refuse to meet Zionist leader Theodore Herzl during a visit to Constantinople in 1901 and reject Zionist and Dönmeh offers of money in return for the Zionists to be granted control of Jerusalem.
Like other leaders who have crossed the Zionists, Sultan Adulhamid II appears to have sealed his fate with the Dönmeh with this statement to his Ottoman court: “Advise Dr. Herzl not to take any further steps in his project. I cannot give away even a handful of the soil of this land for it is not my own, it belongs to the entire Islamic nation. The Islamic nation fought jihad for the sake of this land and had watered it with their blood. The Jews may keep their money and millions. If the Islamic Khalifate state is one day destroyed then they will be able to take Palestine without a price! But while I am alive, I would rather push a sword into my body than see the land of Palestine cut and given away from the Islamic state.” After his ouster by Ataturk’s Young Turk Dönmeh in 1908, Abdulhamid II was jailed in the Donmeh citadel of Salonica. He died in Constantinople in 1918, three years after Ibn Saud agreed to a Jewish homeland in Palestine and one year after Lord Balfour deeded Palestine away to the Zionists in his letter to Baron Rothschild.
One of the Young Turk leaders in Salonica was Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, the founder of the Republic of Turkey. When Greece achieved sovereignty over Salonica in 1913, many Dönmeh, unsuccessful at being re-classified Jewish, moved to Constantinople, later re-named Istanbul. Others moved to Izmir, Bursa, and Ataturk’s newly-proclaimed capital and future seat of Ergenekon power, Ankara.
Some texts suggest that the Dönmeh numbered no more than 150,000 and were mainly found in the army, government, and business. However, other experts suggest that the Dönmeh may have represented 1.5 million Turks and were even more powerful than believed by many and extended to every facet of Turkish life. One influential Donmeh, Tevfik Rustu Arak, was a close friend and adviser to Ataturk and served as Turkey’s Foreign Minister from 1925 to 1938.
Ataturk, who was reportedly himself a Dönmeh, ordered that Turks abandon their own Muslim-Arabic names. The name of the first Christian emperor of Rome, Constantine, was erased from the largest Turkish city, Constantinople. The city became Istanbul, after the Ataturk government in 1923 objected to the traditional name. There have been many questions about Ataturk’s own name, since “Mustapha Kemal Ataturk” was a pseudonym. Some historians have suggested that Ataturk adopted his name because he was a descendant of none other than Rabbi Zevi, the self-proclaimed Messiah of the Dönmeh! Ataturk also abolished Turkey’s use of the Arabic script and forced the country to adopt the western alphabet.
Modern Turkey: a secret Zionist state controlled by the Dönmeh
Ataturk’s suspected strong Jewish roots, information about which was suppressed for decades by a Turkish government that forbade anything critical of the founder of modern Turkey, began bubbling to the surface, first, mostly outside of Turkey and in publications written by Jewish authors. The 1973 book, The Secret Jews, by Rabbi Joachim Prinz, maintains that Ataturk and his finance minister, Djavid Bey, were both committed Dönmeh and that they were in good company because “too many of the Young Turks in the newly formed revolutionary Cabinet prayed to Allah, but had their real prophet [Sabbatai Zevi, the Messiah of Smyrna].” In The Forward of January 28, 1994, Hillel Halkin wrote in The New York Sun that Ataturk recited the Jewish Shema Yisrael (“Hear O Israel”), saying that it was “my prayer too.” The information is recounted from an autobiography by journalist Itamar Ben-Avi, who claims Ataturk, then a young Turkish army captain, revealed he was Jewish in a Jerusalem hotel bar one rainy night during the winter of 1911. In addition, Ataturk attended the Semsi Effendi grade school in Salonica, run by a Dönmeh named Simon Zevi. Halkin wrote in the New York Sun article about an email he received from a Turkish colleague: “I now know – know (and I haven’t a shred of doubt) – that Ataturk’s father’s family was indeed of Jewish stock.”
It was Ataturk’s and the Young Turks’ support for Zionism, the creation of a Jewish homeland in Palestine, after World War I and during Nazi rule in Europe that endeared Turkey to Israel and vice versa. An article in The Forward of May 8, 2007, revealed that Dönmeh dominated Turkish leadership “from the president down, as well as key diplomats . . . and a great part of Turkey’s military, cultural, academic, economic, and professional elites” kept Turkey out of a World War II alliance with Germany, and deprived Hitler of a Turkish route to the Baku oilfields.” In his book, The Donme: Jewish Converts, Muslim Revolutionaries and Secular Turks, Professor Marc David Baer wrote that many advanced to exalted positions in the Sufi religious orders.
Israel has always been reluctant to describe the Turkish massacre of the Armenians by the Turks in 1915 as “genocide.” It has always been believed that the reason for Israel’s reticence was not to upset Israel’s close military and diplomatic ties with Turkey. However, more evidence is being uncovered that the Armenian genocide was largely the work of the Dönmeh leadership of the Young Turks. Historians like Ahmed Refik, who served as an intelligence officer in the Ottoman army, averred that it was the aim of the Young Turks to destroy the Armenians, who were mostly Christian. The Young Turks, under Ataturk’s direction, also expelled Greek Christians from Turkish cities and attempted to commit a smaller-scale genocide of the Assyrians, who were also mainly Christian.
One Young Turk from Salonica, Mehmet Talat, was the official who carried out the genocide of the Armenians and Assyrians. A Venezuelan mercenary who served in the Ottoman army, Rafael de Nogales Mendez, noted in his annals of the Armenian genocide that Talat was known as the “renegade Hebrew of Salonica.” Talat was assassinated in Germany in 1921 by an Armenian whose entire family was lost in the genocide ordered by the “renegade Hebrew.” It is believed by some historians of the Armenian genocide that the Armenians, known as good businessmen, were targeted by the business-savvy Dönmeh because they were considered to be commercial competitors.
It is not, therefore, the desire to protect the Israeli-Turkish alliance that has caused Israel to eschew any interest in pursuing the reasons behind the Armenian genocide, but Israel’s and the Dönmeh’s knowledge that it was the Dönmeh leadership of the Young Turks that not only murdered hundreds of thousands of Armenians and Assyrians but who also stamped out Turkey’s traditional Muslim customs and ways. Knowledge that it was Dönmeh, in a natural alliance with the Zionists of Europe, who were responsible for the deaths of Armenian and Assyrian Christians, expulsion from Turkey of Greek Orthodox Christians, and the cultural and religious eradication of Turkish Islamic traditions, would issue forth in the region a new reality. Rather than Greek and Turkish Cypriots living on a divided island, Armenians holding a vendetta against the Turks, and Greeks and Turks feuding over territory, all the peoples attacked by the Dönmeh would realize that they had a common foe that was their actual persecutor.
Challenging Dönmeh rule: Turkey’s battle against the Ergenekon
It is the purging of the Kemalist adherents of Ataturk and his secular Dönmeh regime that is behind the investigation of the Ergenekon conspiracy in Turkey. Ergenekon’s description matches up completely with the Dönmeh presence in Turkey’s diplomatic, military, judicial, religious, political, academic, business, and journalist hierarchy. Ergenekon attempted to stop the reforms instituted by successive non-Dönmeh Turkish leaders, including the re-introduction of traditional Turkish Islamic customs and rituals, by planning a series of coups, some successful like that which deposed Prime Minister Necmettin Erbakan’s Refah (Welfare) Islamist government in 1996 and some unsuccessful, like OPERATION SLEDGEHEMMER, which was aimed at deposing Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan in 2003. Some Islamist-leaning reformists, including Turkish President Turgut Ozal and Prime Minister Bulent Ecevit, died under suspicious circumstances. Deposed democratically-elected Prime Minister Adnan Menderes was hanged in 1961, following a military coup.
American politicians and journalists, whose knowledge of the history of countries like Turkey and the preceding Ottoman Empire, is often severely lacking, have painted the friction between Israel’s government and the Turkish government of Prime Minister Erdogan as based on Turkey’s drift to Islamism and the Arab world. Far from it, Erdogan and his Justice and Development Party (AKP) seem to have finally seen a way to break free from the domination and cruelty of the Dönmeh, whether in the form of Kemalist followers of Ataturk or nationalist schemers and plotters in Ergenekon. But with Turkey’s “Independence Day” has come vitriol from the Dönmeh and their natural allies in Israel and the Israel Lobby in the United States and Europe. Turkey as a member of the European Union was fine for Europe as long as the Dönmeh remained in charge and permitted Turkey’s wealth to be looted by central bankers like has occurred in Greece.
When Israel launched its bloody attack on the Turkish Gaza aid vessel, the Mavi Marmara, on May 31, 2010, the reason was not so much the ship’s running of the Israeli blockade of Gaza. The brutality of the Israelis in shooting unarmed Turks and one Turkish-American, some at point blank range, according to a UN report, indicated that Israel was motivated by something else: vengeance and retaliation for the Turkish government’s crackdown on Ergenekon, the purging of the Turkish military and intelligence senior ranks of Dönmeh, and reversing the anti-Muslim religious and cultural policies set down by the Dönmeh’s favorite son, Ataturk, some ninety years before. In effect, the Israeli attack on the Mavi Marmara was in retaliation for Turkey’s jailing of several top Turkish military officers, journalists, and academics, all accused of being part of the Ergenekon plot to overthrow the AKP government in 2003. Hidden in the Ergenekon coup plot is that the Dönmeh and Ergenekon are connected through their history of being Kemalists, ardent secularists, pro-Israeli, and pro-Zionist.
With tempers now flaring between Iran on one side and Israel, Saudi Arabia, and the United States on the other, as the result of a dubious claim by U.S. law enforcement that Iran was planning to carry out the assassination of the Saudi ambassador to the United States on American soil, the long-standing close, but secretive relationship between Israel and Saudi Arabia is coming to the forefront. The Israeli-Saudi connection had flourished during OPERATION DESERT STORM, when both countries were on the receiving end of Saddam Hussein’s Scud missiles.
How many "ISIS" people are mexican american mercs who watched "Apocalypse Now" too many times? Imagine the craven freaks who ordered and called for this kind of psychological warfare. Eventually these US created monsters come home? How are you going to keep the boys down on the farm after that?
Audacity comes to mind.
Yeah, but they're back to using the dollar, and in the macro sense, that's all that counts
Seems like our government has been sitting around with their thumbs up their ass.
I'm convinced that the US Gov't apparatus is woefully uninformed as to who might be called the 'good guys' among the cadre fighting Assad in Syria, and now who have nearly completed a historic takeover of Iraq. What I've read suggests that any freedom disposed groups were present at the beginning of the Syrian civil war, but were all but snuffed out long ago.
The US Gov't did nothing at that time to positively influence the situation. Just as the US Gov't wouldn't even pay lip service to the nascent revolution in Iran circa 2010.
For the US now to want to influence the players, even when their ideological values are likely polar opposite is at best naive, and more likely just self aggrandizing personnel of a government devoid of any vestiges of a Republican Government. To reiterate, their lust for power to control is the singular imperative.
I think drones are so much cleaner. More debt and death for everyone on the slave planet.
But Hillary Clinton said these people are not dangerous!
Sometimes the best offense is a retreat.
Hard to argue with this: http://www.counterpunch.org/2006/04/25/is-the-us-waging-israel-s-wars/
and that moment when the kid in the NY Yankees hat popped Gadafi now seems rather ordinary
Meanwhile in Iraq history repeats itself for President Carter II
I am afraid the world is about to witness that US POTUS really didn't mean when he said we leave no one behind. If that is the case, expect the most gruesome deaths for the captured Americans.
Exit quesiton, how will the Mainstream Media try to shild their Marquise De Sade?
Fuck 'em, they shouldn't have been there anyway. Defense means playing in your own zone, not across the planet.
I wonder if Canadians say the same about you?
ISIS Leader to USA: ‘Soon We Will be in Direct Confrontation’My sister was with the UN in Iraq feeding hungry Iraqi's.
Terrorists blew up the headquarters, killing many. My sister witnessed dead bodies and a man trying to put his jaw back on after she regained consciousness. She suffers from PTSD.
Her crime was feeding hungry people.
So f*** you, James, and your self righteousness.
Have 'americans' in Iraq not voted laws that forbid to feed hungry people yet?
No. They've been evacuated. 3 planeloads of them.
A war with atrocities? whooda thunk?
Give Obumpma another Nocel piece of shit prize. HE desrves three actually.
Holy fuck, imagine what these people will do to Americans when they get their hands on you. And it isn't just Iraqis, the whole planet can't wait to see us dead thanks to our Zionist overlords.
It appears, unfortunately, need for 'imagination' won't last much longer. They are just about to get about 200 Americans left behind.
Sorry, but if one wants to play soldier, they to surrender their right to "no", take a pay cut, and put on an official uniform.
Anyone on the private contracting side who thinks the US would or should lift a finger to save their asses after what the US didn't try and do in Benghazi, is DELUSIONAL.
Let's keep things in prospective.
Jerome Corsi is a pro-globalist shill. F him.
Well, here's afew hundred heads that will roll since Bath House will try nothing to save them.
Get prepared for some very gruesome stuff.
"And the Nobel Prize for world's Biggest Pussy this year goes again....to Backdoor Barry!
Thanks for tuning in, folks."
Dup
They are F' up genetic defects who will kill each other as soon as they are done killing their 'latest' perceived enemy.
F' them and their 'religion of peace', they are an entire population of psychopaths - long before the US was involved in their world.
Bomb'em back to the Stone Age....
Wait that would only set them back a couple of weeks.
Arab Springtime for Hitler
Actually, I think US gov't has had next to zero influence regarding the entire situation begainning with the rebellion against Assad. Of course, that is no longer a rebellion, but a roaring fire of Islamic hegemony on the rise.
People at their most basic and primal nature.
nothing basic and primal about psychopathic murdering cowards
Maybe Iran will unleash Hezzbulla and Hamas upon Israel. It might be the right time. Let the whole Mutha blow up. Let's live history.
Hez. is a defensive, Lebanese force - founded precisely to eject the Israelis from Lebanon, where they killed tens of thousands of civilians.\
Hamas would not be able to handle the CT state police. The fact their bottle rockets always makes the front page while IDF murder of unarmed teens and civilians scarcely does is both a function of de facto and direct Jewish media influence - but also part of a larger corporate MIC scheme to keep you thinking nuclear, advanced, American-funded and tech derived military is "in danger" from 8-12k guys with small arms.
You've been bamboozled, but you stopped caring about what the truth is long ago son.
Dabbba dabbba dddadffy. dats all Folks!
Dear Mr. Duck-
Your avitar is quite appropriate seeing how you choose to display your arrogance and ignorance so fully here on ZH. If i didn't know better I'd think you were Mr. Bathhouse.
"I promise you Buck, not only am I better read than you, I've even read most of the bullshit fiction you've read and accept as fact."
Second, for someone who has been here for 1 week and 23 days you sure have some nerve for trying to get rid of all the spybots and buggies, oh and the one you don't like.
"lots of little spybots and buggies here at ZH and getting rid of a couple of the ones we don't likes caused a little glitch, Precious."
Bucks point was one that most people miss about the bible. It doesn't justify the actions of imperfect and falable human beings. It show what human beings are capable of even when the use their evil action in the name of God no matter who's God it is.
The teachings of christianity are what was to be rememebered and lived by. It was to teach peace and love for our fellow man and that defeats all the messed up behaviors that lead to the continuation of messed up human behaviors that lead to the violence and degredation of civilizations through out history.
Islam from its first words are that of violence to those that do not believe in Allah. You convert or die. That's not practiced from the "moderate muslims" but they don't seem to be in a hurry to put a stop to the barbarric practices of their religion.
Christians for the most part have done away with these ways of thinking. their are fanatics and evangelicals in all walks of life, but if christians were doing this today, i'd be willing to bet you my sunken boat, from a horrible accident, of gold that they would put a stop to it before islam does.
Enjoy your Friday the 13th you Daffy Duck you!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyPFQKpRnd0
" You convert or die."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZegQYgygdw&feature=kp
Ron Paul was right. Nuff said.
"What happens when you collaborate with American invaders."
That's exactly what this is. The same thing happened as Germans were pushed out of Europe by British, American, and Soviet forces in WW2. People who were working with the Nazis during occupation were shot if they were lucky. Hung or had their throat cut if they were unlucky. Working with the enemy is high treason.
Please don't revise history by comparing British/French/American occupation with the Soviets. Please, you just don't know.
As in " the landing at Normandy was the turning point for the Germans in WWII". ? It literally was the Soviets ( and their ghastly winters) who ground down the Nazi war machine. The landing occurred after a large chunk of the German army expended itself on the Eastern front.
I don't want to take anything away from those serviceman that were in Normandy, but I'd bet the seige over the winter of 42-43 around Stalingrad was more horrendous.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-normandy-landing-and-world-war-ii-the-l...
Juangrande, your post is certainly factual, but I was addressing someone who compared the Allied occupation with the Soviet occupation (yeah, I know the bloody Reds were part of the "allies.") The Soviets were as barbaric as anything the Germans perpetrated. Actually, I'm not criticizing the Soviets, they had a lot of pent up hatred to unleash upon the most deserving Germans.
No comparison and your wish to pacify these psychotics not accepted.
Many of these posters must be arab/muslims and/or extreme radical leftists.
Gruesome Footage Of American Atrocities Reveals Obama "Will Stop At Nothing"
(Edited from MSM)
Religion of Peace strikes again...
No commentary from the Obama regime on this "rich and vibrant" culture...
No offense, but you could say that about the Spanish Catholics in SA., ca. 1400s-1500s.
I am a Christian myself, but have never had any problem with the Muslims I work with.
This is an extreme offshoot of Islam; the most knowledgeable imam I personally know has showed me where this stuff is not permitted. But they do not have a Pope-type guy, so these extremists are able to sprout up.
No offense taken. All sorts of atrocities are committed in the name of religion. I'm no apologist for the Catholic Church, or any religion, anywhere. It wasn't just the Catholics against brown peple either. They wiped the Cathars competely out, and they were mostly French.
The problem is that with education and modern efficiencies, there is no excuse for the practitioners of islam to be behaving the way they do. I have read the koran, and I really don't think there is such a thing as a "moderate muslim". They invariably revert back to a charismatic imam, or get their teeth kicked in by a strongman. There doesn't seem to be a middle ground for them.
I forgot to put a sarc tag after "moderate muslim" because there are no moderate muslims. I as well give no apologies to the Catholic Church because they refused to follow their faith and the morality that is demanded from their position to uphold the highest integrity. Nobody to blame but themselves.
As for education, there is no education of the lessons of life which is essentially learning from history and its successes and its failures. One only has to look to see who runs the education system in the USA and you'll find the ideology that is the same as isllam which hides behind a religion to disguise a government. Its statism which is political leftism. An educated society is a free society.
And to those that will rail me for the "false left/right paradigm" meme just think about this. Which political philosophy and ideology is for government control over its people compared to those that want little to limited government for the maximum ammount of liberty for all while providing the necessary securtiy.
Yeah well when identifying Christian mass murder or smaller scaled atrocities, we have to look backwards by hundreds of years and is irrelevant in most aspects to the Islamic March of today.
Evidently the gentleman is not familiar with the African continent and noted christian fundamentalists of the Lords Resistance Army who aren't beneath using rape, mutilations, child soldiers and murder.
And they are spreading Christianity to the unsaved muslims?
All sorts of mass murder, torture, and oppression during the past 100 years in the name of rational scientific human secularism. In the name of equality, in the name of the "People."
To be fair, the Spanish didn't succeed in kicking out their Muslim savages until 1492. The muzzie savages were there for a few centuries.
Yes: Those muzzie savages that were booted out by the Castilians - were they more or less civilized/refined then the invading Christian fundamentalists? My history tells me that in comparisons to the Christians they were literary sophisticates who were more familiar with the works of Aristotle then bigoted knights who opposed them.
That is some shitty, revisionist, tavistock style history you have been reading, then.
Considering the spanish colonial record, it is revised history. Indeed.
Spanish citizen inquisitionism, to secure your eternal soul or something like that.
The internal combustion engine. So cool........... yet such a bitch.
What is more interesting, Ukraine or ex Saddam country? And, for how long? Til we have the half year allall time high?
That whole 'religion' is one giant F'd up piece of shit.
F' all those genetic defects.
so I guess the big question is who is behind these guys?
who is training them, supplying them, where does there funding come from? where are there staging areas, there FOB's?
who is providing the logistical support for their operations in Iraq and Syria, who is making sure the supplies keep flowing to the battlefronts and the routs stay open? who is providing and/or running there command and control structure?
what we are seeing, especially in Iraq is a highly polished and very professional campaign of rapid dominance that, I suspect, despite all the media hype about terrorism, is truly military in nature...
in other words these guys are defiantly not the Taliban.
while this is undoubtedly part of the much larger game we are seeing unfold recently on the global stage, the questions are who is running them, why set them lose now and how does destroying Iraq, again, fit into the bigger picture?
Q: who is behind these guys?
A: the Jesuits.
The Tribe.
Blowfeldt.
Spectre.
Does it really matter who's behind these fucks?
All the world governments and all world religions are a racket and they all are behind atrocities like these.
We should start a ZH pool on just how many foreign refugees our government [sic] will bring here, permanently, once Saigon Baghdad and Phnom Penh Kabul finally fall.
I'll go first and say 400,000.
This may have been your last time to ever buy the S&P under 1950, thanks AQ!
And to say that one called Baghdad: the pearl of the Middle East.
At one time, it really was.
I used to collect articles about the murders committed in the name of Allah. From the world over these bloodthirsty Muslims kill for God, but the articles were so voluminous that my collection which stops in 2008 was well over 100 pages in my pc folder. That is just the reporting of the attacks themselves.
Islam despises the West in particular because of the filthy societal mores that now predominate.
I do not blame them. One thing + when I was in those places there was not western entertainment on TV.
allahu snackbar!
So, let me get this straight. They depise the west for 'filthy societal mores' and they show this by demonstrating the superior societal mores that predominate their culture, right?
like what;
stoning women to death for besmirching the family name?
religious cleansing of entire regions?
boys for fun, women for babies and other disgusting proclivities ?
I'm looking through their eyes, which is the only way to view your adversaries and allies.
"Heads Up!"
After watching these videos and others like it I am further entrenched in my belief of complete global reset.
I would gladly give up my luxuries of modern plumbing, modern transportation, modern entertainment and modern anything to stop the modern atrocities of Obummer and the Gang...
My heart is broken...
200 US Contractors stuck.
http://www.wnd.com/2014/06/200-u-s-contractors-surrounded-by-jihadists-in-iraq/
That is important news "HardlyZero"! I knew beforehand that the US still had contractors in Iraq. I wondered what their status would be. I guess your link points to some serious problems for them. That said, I find myself not as worried for them as I should be as a fellow American. I know several local men who went to Iraq to work as contractors to vasious US agencies. They became wealthy off of our tax money. Greedy fools are now in danger, do I feel sorry for them? Maybe, maybe not.
The first time ever I have to disagree with you, Jack.
Nobody, not even these guys at the airbase, deserves to be shot up and cut up.
Not them, nor the Iraqis.
I concur....but there is a reason they got a grand a day to be there, and it wasn't because of the bad food.
Jack - stop trying to intellectualize every issue. It's not always complicated. In the ME, we have always been damned no matter our position.
Are you prepared to suddenly live a life without fossil fuels in isolation from the turmoil of the world? Tough call.
again.
Satan's got an orgy of barbarism, bloodshed and war blowing up in our faces around the globe - what's he trying to accomplish?
Islam is his 1st runner-up, and Christendom is not far behind (Ukraine, for example). Maybe he figgers WWIII on the 100th anniversary of WWI is a good idea. He's brought all the ingredients to a rolling boil, too. Wonder if August 2 will be BIG like it was in 1914?
This proves once again (as if it was needed) that Muslims simply cannot be democratized.
Their religion is ingrained into their society, akin to a cult status. There is ABOSOLUTELY NO separation between church, state and the home.
None. Zero. Nada.
Wether you like it or not.
For those of you who think everyone who just happens to be born in another part of the world has an inner American, and simply speaks another language....I give you the entire Islamic world.
The only thing that works for them is dictatorship. As they hate each other (Sunni vs. Shiite) as much as they hate you infidels.
On the bright side, at least you get to sometimes live in a secular one.
I've often wondered where are the feminists, gay rights peeps, atheists, celebrities, etc. when it comes to discussing Islam and their barbarism against said groups?
Strangely, they are silent.
Or perhaps they value their lives....I dunno.
Oh well. Get the popcorn ready.
there is no separation of church and state in the west either. we simply abandoned the old institutional churches and replaced them with that of the church of greed and satan. called 'secular' society.
you attend church every day you go to work at any major institution in the u.s. and you are worshiping every day you get paid with fiat, use fiat , and every time you bend over and take it in the fiat ass , which is always.
you belong to the church of bohica , of latter day sodomy; whether you know it or not.
please repeat with me;
o father, who art in in fiat, lube my ass and make fiat not hurt so bad. amen.
p.s. --this isn't homophobically intended. for all you homos out there just wanted you to know i love you to.
just because of bunch of wanna be ghenghis khan's use 'islam' to cover over their universal ideology of 'being in charge' doesn't mean religion is the cause of their violence.
religion, is not the cause of violence per se. just helps justify it. after all, the romans the mongols and the EUROPEANS all became most empire like and violent when they used ALL religions in a bid of tolerance to solicit support for mass violence.
the only religion not tolerated by the empire is any religion that discourages you from shopping and supporting empire.
so ---the amish have it coming to them sooner or later. the quakers have already been disrupted and infiltrated. and the menonites. well, they are now living in gangsters paradise. just ask al yankovich.
I don't know where the down arrows came from. Dingle is correct, they are a primitive culture, and that's how they like it. They see us as weak infidels and intheir culture we are. Leave them alone in their primitive ways and worry about how we are going to get manufacturing jobs and other issues that affect us. Goddamit I wish I could just kill the internet sometimes. Globalization sucks!
has nothing to do with 'democracy'. you think that 'works'? what's the difference with 'royalty' if they allow people to live a simple and fulfilled life? all the 'ims' are the same thing. be the king, president, prime minister, pope, whatever. let you subjects live a decent life, they will allow you to accumulate all kinds of wealth, without resentment.
greed kicks in, and they demand more.
Wanton carnage by murderers of whatever persuasion as depicted on these videos against seemingly unarmed civilians in cars is as low as it gets. No higher calling of whatever religion or belief advocates this type of random terror and killing. May these videoing murdering scum who appear little different to pcp loaded ak47 gangbangers gone wild rot in purgatory or whatever that is for Muslims.
As Marleys ghost in a Christmas carol showed Scrooge Christmas future, sadly this is a taster of what is to come closer to home as well as further afield. I do not believe there is any solution which will abate the suffering and mayhem which will eventually engulf us all.
Monetary collapse Weimar style, pockets full of gold, stocks collapsing et al means little if murdering lunatics like this are rampaging through your neighbourhood.
Something smells.
Dear Mr. Duck-
Your avitar is quite appropriate seeing how you choose to display your arrogance and ignorance so fully here on ZH. If i didn't know better I'd think you were Mr. Bathhouse.
"I promise you Buck, not only am I better read than you, I've even read most of the bullshit fiction you've read and accept as fact."
Second, for someone who has been here for 1 week and 23 days you sure have some nerve for trying to get rid of all the spybots and buggies, oh and the one you don't like.
"lots of little spybots and buggies here at ZH and getting rid of a couple of the ones we don't likes caused a little glitch, Precious."
Bucks point was one that most people miss about the bible. It doesn't justify the actions of imperfect and falable human beings. It show what human beings are capable of even when the use their evil action in the name of God no matter who's God it is.
The teachings of christianity are what was to be rememebered and lived by. It was to teach peace and love for our fellow man and that defeats all the messed up behaviors that lead to the continuation of messed up human behaviors that lead to the violence and degredation of civilizations through out history.
Islam from its first words are that of violence to those that do not believe in Allah. You convert or die. That's not practiced from the "moderate muslims" but they don't seem to be in a hurry to put a stop to the barbarric practices of their religion.
Christians for the most part have and done away from these ways of thinking. their are fanatics and evangelicals in all walks of life, but if christians were doing this today, i'd be willing to bet you my sunken boat from a horrible accident of gold that they would put a stop to it before islam does.
Enjoy your Friday the 13th you Daffy Duck you!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyPFQKpRnd0
thank you for clarifying what I just didn't have the motivation to do. Neither Christians or Jews are rampaging against anyone anywhere. Even the Crusades was a defensive action in response to hundreds of years of murder and torture of the Infidel.
"Neither Christians or Jews are rampaging against anyone anywhere."
Right. And 2+2 = 5. Just keep repeating the lies enough times and they'll magically become true.
The less the lies are believed, the more hysterical they become. You are slitting your own throat, pal. By all means keep it up.
I don't mean to be acerbic, but your post is utterly incomprehensible. Please identify one single example otherwise...
One single example? Easy and guess what? The negroes are providing. You've got to love negroes, anytime an 'american' wishes to push their propaganda, just think negroes and they provide an counter example.
In Central Africa, the Christians are hunting down the muslims.
.
That should void his delusional point about rampaging Christians but this won't be accepted by him. He will tell Central African bloodlust is the result of environment, tradition, race, culture, history, but unconnected with their Christian religion. In the same breath he will express Middle East bloodlust is the result of their Islam religion and exclude all other factors as having a non relevance.
But who cares? People enjoying their lies are common. Don't disturb while on masturbation.
Hasbarat Central must have issued an all hands on deck. The interwebs are swarming with these loathsome critters.
These idiots with their inane, repetitive scripts are useful. Just not in the way they imagine. The continual spewing of lies and advocacy of intellectually, morally and fiscally bankrupt policies have a way of eventually backfiring on the liars.
Gonna take a page outta Islam tolerance.
What VA scandal?
Saudi Arabia and Washington's men in Black.
wrong - whenever Al Qaeda is written in any press - exchange it for CIA BLACK OPERATIONS
and anyway - so what if a few americans get it rough and killed, remember agent orange veitnam? Still affecting generations
fcuk you, bow and grace the sword
I'm sorry, but most of what most are Speculating about is just that, speculation. You and I do NOT know what the involvement of the US Gov't is. We have a Executive Branch dictatorship, and a Senate co-presidency, bound to the Party occupying the White House. The faux opposition party hasn't the intellectual capacity, nor the moral conviction to fight the battle that the Founders intended to be fought. Add the neo 17th Century peasantry of its denizens and there simply is little way of forcing the will of who should be deciding overall policy; the People.