Congressman Asks NSA To Restore Two Years Of "Lost" Lois Lerner IRS Emails

Tyler Durden's picture

Yesterday, the republican campaign to get to the bottom of IRS' targeting of conservative groups was dealt an absolutely idiotic blow when the IRS, in all seriousness, announced that it had lost two years worth of emails to and from the chief subject of the investigation: former agency official Lois Lerner.

As House Ways and Means Commitee chairman Dave Camp said, "The fact that I am just learning about this, over a year into the investigation, is completely unacceptable and now calls into question the credibility of the IRS’s response to congressional inquiries,” he said in a statement. "There needs to be an immediate investigation and forensic audit by Department of Justice as well as the Inspector General."

According to NRO, the agency informed Camp that a computer crash resulted in the loss of e-mails between January 2009 and April 2011 sent between Lerner and outside agencies such as the White House and the Department of Justice. "Those messages are particularly relevant given revelations earlier this week that the agency in 2010 transmitted a database to the FBI containing confidential taxpayer information, potentially in violation of federal law."

The IRS said in a separate statement that it has or will produce 24,000 e-mails from the period between 2009 and 2011 using the files of 82 individuals with whom Lerner corresponded, and that it has produced nearly all of the 67,000 e-mails sent and received by Lerner during her time at the agency.

Apparently lack of document (and email) retention is a crime for everyone, but not for the IRS. And furthermore, only when it comes to the IRS, can a single computer crash destroy the entire email path history, even as it crosses through countless servers across the world, and ultimately lands in somebody else's inbox.

It goes without saying that for the IRS to even assume someone would believe this particular, and quite spectacular, lie is beyond insulting to even the most gullible idiot among the US population.

So we won't say it.

What, however, was simply a bizarre, if idiotic, lie has just been taken to a whole new level of ridiculousness, when moments ago, representative Steve Stockman (R-Texas) announced he would request that the National Security Agency help in the hunt for missing emails to and from the IRS’s Lois Lerner, and recover two years worth of "lost" emails. From the Hill:

In a letter to NSA Director Michael Rogers on Friday, Stockman requested that the NSA turn over information it has about emails between Lerner and outside groups between January 2009 and April 2011.

 

Stockman’s request for the NSA’s “metadata” on the emails comes as congressional Republicans probe whether the IRS mishandled applications for tax-exempt status from Tea Party and conservative groups.

 

In a statement, Stockman said the NSA’s information “will establish who Lerner contacted and when, which helps investigators determine the extent of illegal activity by the IRS.”

 

Your prompt cooperation in this matter will be greatly appreciated and will help establish how IRS and other personnel violated rights protected by the First Amendment,” Rogers wrote.

Turns out all those jokes about people calling the NSA and asking for backups of lost emails and of course files (because remember, courtesy of complicit megacorporations, the NSA has full backdoor access to everything anyone does) - they weren't jokes at all.

And now the NSA is caught between a rock and a hard place: because if it refuses an officialcongressional demand, it shows once again that the spy agency is entirely separated from any concept of checks and balances and accountability; if it complies, it confirms that all the NSA is, considering it can't even tap into a bunch of Al Qaeda phones and figure out what the jihadists' strategy is in Iraq, is just a massive data repository of all US electronic information, to be abused at will by corrupt, criminal government workers, some of whom will likely have to resort to the "dog ate my emails" excuse in the immediate future.

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Pool Shark's picture

 

 

Sounds like you have inside information?...

 

SDShack's picture

Actually, its a whole nother level. Because with an email, there is a distribution list. It doesn't just reside in Lerner's computer. It resides on every computer that was on the email distribution list, plus probably some back up servers used by those computers. So the proper response would be to subpena all those emails. Of course, with Holder running his own Mafia Justice League, this is just a big FU to congress, and specifically the TP that was targeted by the IRS by 0zer0. This is infinitely worse than Watergate ever was, and shows that the 0zer0 administration is pure corruption.

disabledvet's picture

Indeed!

The ignorant phucks are leaving an ELECTRONIC trail that not only leads back to them...but does so in real time...while revealing your exact location! In real time!

Counter measures for said "bureau bot" at NSA I imagine are quite good.

To defend that I would recommend turning over...the TRUTH.

Flagit's picture

I'm curious to know if any of my old classmates are working for the IRS.

True story. In 8th grade i was given an "award" for best excuse for not having my homework done.

My uncles' goat ate it.

They live on a farm, and in certain weather it was not unheard of to milk the goat on the back porch of the house, which is connected to the kitchen. The event did happen, just not to me, but my younger cousin. Goats will absolutely eat paper.

Upon telling the teacher why i didn't have anything to hand in, he calmly took off his glasses and folded them in his front shirt pocket. He slowly walked around the desk put his arm around my shoulder and swung us around to face the class. He then calmly asked me to tell the class what i had just told him. i STILL remember the seething anger coming from the class as they failed/refused to choke down the lie. You could see the brainwaves being emitted from that class, from space. They wanted to know where it happened. What time. The dimensions of the house, porch, kitchen, and farm yard. What breed of goat. Names of all household members, and their exact location at the time of the alleged paper munching. They wanted pictures of the farm, the house, and to bring the goat in for inspection. One bright student even suggested that i should have to collect and analyze the goat shit for traces of paper. These were 8th grade students and smart enough to demand some truth.

rabbitusvomitus's picture

NOPE, not this time! They are far and away truly Phucked this time. 

Any assclown with a GED and sub 70 IQ knows that it is IMPOSSIBLE to lose those emails.  The NSA cannot pretend to not have access to and/or the ability to recreate/resurrect the aforementioned AWOL email headers. 

SO, how long till Mizz Learner wakes up Vince Fostered? anyone, bueller...bueller...bueller..... 

 

intric8's picture

Wha? Sorry for drifting off. I was too busy picturing Lerner with her bloody head on a long, sharp stick.

Government needs you to pay taxes's picture

Lois Lerner sleeps with the fishes.

Van Halen's picture

Congressman: NSA, you must restore those 'lost' emails.

NSA: Go to hell.

Congressman: Welp, I've done my duty! Off to the golf course!

American People: Screwed.

doctor10's picture

This little "glitch" basically proves that at least some of those emails originated form the White House.

Common_Cents22's picture

every american should file a blank 1040 next year and tell the IRS,  "i lost all my tax data, sorry."

Rentier88's picture

Got to love it they ( govt. officials ) are now using the NSA against each other...LOL

xtop23's picture

It's all just window dressing to legitimize the ongoing crimes being perpetrated by the N S A.

disabledvet's picture

Congress...can hold Court too.

"The Supremes" can just stand aside with their dicks in their hand if that party gets started.

"Mr. Speaker!" ain't just some moniker.

"Beware the Law Giver."

kill switch's picture

As a former engineer with Digital Equipment Corp I can assure you that the I.R.S. uses outside vendors to store all their backups off site.. If not they are breaking all disaster recovery protocols. But we knew that,,right? It was a boating accident..well that explains it....carry on.

rubiconsolutions's picture

@kill switch - Yep, I agree. I'm certain that mail servers are backed up daily if not in real time and personal computers backed up at least weekly. 

Pool Shark's picture

 

 

I wish the IRS would suffer a computer crash and lose all my records...

 

Flagit's picture

I wish they would suffer a plane crash.

One And Only's picture

Cool Fact:

If every American paid off all of their debts....there would be no money.

Common_Cents22's picture

my company suffered a tornado years ago and many years of tax records stored in an attic area blew away.  seriously  LOL

BlindMonkey's picture

It wasn't a boating accident. They stored the backups right next to the central bank files in Iron Mountain.

kill switch's picture

No the MF Global vault...I think Jon has the combo....

CheapBastard's picture

I suspect most of these relatively important Gubmint agencies have several servers for back-up as well as several back-up storage units. My neighbor is a former clerk for a judge said he would probably  find her in contempt, lock her up with Ms. Bubba and wait until she produces said emails.

I'm not a lawyer but that sounds good to me. In this day and age it's almost unpossible for these things to get 'lost.'

Why not cooperate and simply turn them over?

conscious being's picture

Is this about the tribe closing ranks??

g speed's picture

because they implicate Barry---

DoChenRollingBearing's picture

Exactly.  Or his minions so Obama has "plausible deniability".

disabledvet's picture

"Money laundering."

Gambling is a crime...in baseball.

"And here comes the high cheese."

you enjoy myself's picture

the lie is more brazen than that.  the IRS is claiming the emails are lost because Lerner's personal computer had a hard drive failure.   they even went further and claimed that no data could be recovered after they gave the hard drive to a forensic unit - something that could only be true if you took a sledgehammer and magnet to it.

and they're compounding the lie even further by saying the reason they can produce Lerner emails to/from the 80 or so people in her office, but not to any outside personnel, is because they can search those 80 individual PC's.  they really thought no one would know that email isn't some 1990 peer to peer system. 

Thought Processor's picture

 

 

Well, next time I lose some incriminating tax evidence on my hard drive I know I at least have a valid excuse.

 

Thanks IRS!

Bad Attitude's picture

I don't think the regime even cares if anyone believes their lies any more. And, if they get caught in a lie, they just respond with an even more preposterous lie. They believe they are above the law, and with impotent Republicans, they are probably correct.

Forward (over the cliff)!

RichardENixon's picture

To paraphrase an old witicism from The Soviet Union, They pretend to tell the truth, we pretend to believe them. You saw how that worked out over there.

Common_Cents22's picture

brazen lies happen w/ the cover of propaganda media.   it is now at an absurd level.   is this reality or twilight zone???

you enjoy myself's picture

even better, check out this vid where the IRS commissioner tries to pretend that it will take years to collect Lerner's emails, as opposed to 30 minutes.  even if you had to go any tape archives it would be a couple days at best.

machineh's picture

But the steam engine that powers the tape drive broke.

And the back-up power source (a water wheel) is down due to drought.

We'll get back to you!

Matt's picture

Well, he actually said he has no idea how long it takes to find all the messages, but it will take his whole team several months to go through all the messages to redact information. That guy's reaction is priceless. Where does it say in the subpeona that you are supposed to redact anything? 

Kirk2NCC1701's picture

I can assure you that their emails and files are backed up in REAL time, and that keyloggers are installed on most TERMINALS. Yes, Virginia, almost all employees use terminals, not PCs. For all the obvious reasons.

This is clear and blatant CONTEMPT OF CONGRESS.

disabledvet's picture

SMERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRSH!!!!!

logicalman's picture

I think Congress is so used to contempt, it hardly even notices anymore.

graneros's picture

Absolutely correct.  This excuse may have flown back in the 80's and early 90's but not now.  All govt agencies have tons of redundancy built in so there is no way a computer crash is gonna fly. The amount of work needed to track and delete all pieces of those emails and delete them is mind boggling and IMO impossible. Just another stall tactic. By the time we see news of LL again the headlines will be loaded with tons of Iraq, Ukraine, Putin, Hillary, illegal immigrant, bad economic, etc stories we'll have to struggle to remember the IRS tales. Sick of it all.

RacerX's picture

It is amazing to me that a) the IRS is making this claim and b) nobody is in jail.

XitSam's picture

For some time now I have assumed anything the government says is a lie.

kill switch's picture

My private contention has now become obvious,,,this goes right back to Barry Soetoro and the WH....Calling DOJ Holder..

conscious being's picture

I'm sure Holder will get right on it.  /not

We no longer have the rule of law.

Raging Debate's picture

Conscious Being - Bang on, this is my primary argument why the brand known as Uncle Sam is dead. I think reform is possible in countries but it depends on scale of power. In Soviet brand and USA brand the scale of power and hence complete corruption makes internal reform impossible even if some in government want it.

To me the only speculation is to the semantics of how the people are misled as to why it happened. An EMP false flag is my speculation as then lots of vital data can be claimed to be destroyed, broken window policy could be used for make-work jobs and the loss of revenue would be temporary but the reasoning of draconian cuts would probably work on pensioneers and those promised benefits that cant be met at current rates (without hyperinflation that is).

Plus with highly rationed power those that would attempt a revolution would be doing it in the dark with no energy, ends that potential scenario. Yep, as a reformed sociopath with a high IQ it is exactly what I would do so I hedge for that kind of a scenario.

The three B's (beans, bullion and bullets for looters) cartons of cheap cigs and booze (can be used as anticeptic) bleach for water purification feel free to add to the list. Then for up to a year you become a local warlord and trading location (Google how Russians did this in there collapse) so you trade the luxuries for there jewelry and bullion. Sure, I'll trade this carton of smokes for half ounce of gold.

The people would be more reliant and trusting of a new government for food and you don't have to throw out the baby with the bath water economically during reorganization. Plus default on all debt!

The Soviet method didnt involve a revolution. There currency was massively debased and then one day nearly literally overnight, pensioneers woke up to a new government and that they were going to get half or less of what they expected. They had a police state too before the reorganization. I think the potential response from the populous is what those DHS hollow-points and militarization of the police are for.

Government needs you to pay taxes's picture

Dont be the last sucker following the law.  You'll end up broke and offering BJs on the corner.

SF beatnik's picture

"For some time now I have assumed anything the government says is a lie."

 

 

And of course, the MSM.  This is a dangerous situation. 


disabledvet's picture

This is true...however we also have a Uniform Code of Military Justice too.

The UCMJ...which was formed out of the ashes of World War II is FAR stricter than what is found in Civilian law.

That includes enforcement of Rights I might add.

I would imagine...veterans...have preferential status...but I wouldn't no since I have never been a party to UCMJ hearing.

Certainly if "martial law" as a result of some "tumult" is declared their procedures will come as a surprise to Americans.

Their methods are procedural in nature.

"Your attorney will be sworn in too."

Of course...if you have nothing to hide...why have an attorney?

"Just simply tell the truth and be done with the matter."

Seasmoke's picture

Bananas for everyone !!! Two for Michelle.