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Did Saddam Have WMDs After All: ISIS Overruns Iraq Chemical Weapons 'Mega-Facility'
With all eyes firmly focused on what really matters (the oil refineries), The Telegraph reports that ISIS has over-run a Saddam Hussein-era chemical weapons (CW) complex. The al-Muhanna 'mega-facility', about 60 miles south of Baghdad, gives the jihadists access to disused stores of hundreds of tonnes of potentially deadly poisons including mustard gas and sarin. The US state department is 'concerned' but "do not believe that the complex contains CW materials of military value." However, as a former commander of Britain's chemical weapons regiment warned, "we have seen that ISIS has used chemicals in explosions in Iraq before and has carried out experiments in Syria." This is likely great for ISIS 2014 Annual Report; but, of course, the other awkward question is: does this mean Saddam did have WMDs (and ISIS found them) after all?
As The Telegraph reports, the jihadist group bringing terror to Iraq overran a Saddam Hussein chemical weapons complex on Thursday...
Isis invaded the al-Muthanna mega-facility 60 miles north of Baghdad in a rapid takeover that the US government said was a matter of concern.
The facility was notorious in the 1980s and 1990s as the locus of Saddam’s industrial scale efforts to develop a chemical weapons development programme.
During its peak in the late 1980s to early 1990s, Iraq produced bunkers full of chemical munitions.
A CIA report on the facility said that 150 tons of mustard were produced each year at the peak from 1983 and pilot-scale production of Sarin began in 1984.
Its most recent description of al-Muthanna in 2007 paints a disturbing picture of chemicals strewn throughout the area.
“Two wars, sanctions and UN oversight reduced Iraqi’s premier production facility to a stockpile of old damaged and contaminated chemical munitions (sealed in bunkers), a wasteland full of destroyed chemical munitions, razed structures, and unusable war-ravaged facilities,” it said.
“Some of the bunkers contained large quantities of unfilled chemical munitions, conventional munitions, one-ton shipping containers, old disabled production equipment and other hazardous industrial chemicals.”
Britain has previously acknowledgeded that the nature of the material contained in the two bunkers would make the destruction process difficult and technically challenging.
Should we be worried?
US officials revealed that the group had occupied the sprawling site which has two bunkers encased in a concrete seal. Much of the sarin is believed to be redundant.
“We remain concerned about the seizure of any military site by the [Isis],” Jen Psaki, the State Department spokeswoman, said. “We do not believe that the complex contains CW materials of military value and it would be very difficult, if not impossible, to safely move the materials.”...
Hamish de Bretton-Gordon, a former commander of Britain’s chemical weapons regiment, said that al-Muthanna has large stores of weaponized and bulk mustard gas and sarin, most of which has been put beyond ready use in concrete stores.
“It is doubtful that Isis have the expertise to use a fully functioning chemical munition but there are materials on site that could be used in an improvised explosive device,” he told the Telegraph.
“We have seen that Isis has used chemicals in explosions in Iraq before and has carried out experiments in Syria.”
One US official told the Wall Street Journal yesterday that Isis fighters could be contaminated by the chemicals at the site.
“The only people who would likely be harmed by these chemical materials would be the people who tried to use or move them,” the military officer said.
This asset growth is likely great for ISIS 2014 Annual Report...
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Most excellent...What kind of insect would junk a truism if there ever was...
Well, I had a whole thing about Uday & Qusay being the bastard prodigy of a psycho but at the end of the day, we can't be the worlds policeman, nor should we want to be.
These are things that people have to rise above and kill for (yes, kill) on their own, in order to gain their own freedom. If you come and "give them freedom" (or anything else) they have no way of associating the act with the cost in the third parties sacrifice for them. It becomes expected that someone else will do it for them.
What freedom & liberty means to me is a very hard thing to explain and relate to people on a host of levels.
But its right there, I think ;-)
The Iraqis actually provided the CIA with effectiveness reports when they used the US munitions against the Iranians in the 1980s. Sometimes they were quite effective, other times there was a 50-50 chance the Iraqis got dosed.
The fickle winds of war.
I don't care how many times those of your ilk say it, it doesn't make it so. You've not a single original sourcing to support that craven disinformation. One the DemPerv's favorite mantras.
Even Skinny Puppy had a song about it (VX Gas Attack), from their VIVIsectVI album, ca. 1988.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDb4c7TS1H0
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_chemical_attack
Just like we told y'all 12 years ago
- Britt Hume, Faux News
why the downvotes, do I have to add "sarc" you dumb fucks?
Yup on the drive home tonight on local conservative radio it was triumphing 'see they did have WMDs all along'
More on ISIS and Johnny McCain.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=196_1403192534
I call total BS on this story in general. How could there STILL be chemical weapons 15 years later? Especially after we didn't find any during the war? And why the hell would anyone leave them stockpiled there? This sounds like one of those "We better go to war quick to keep the people's mind off the shitty job we've done the last six years!, stories.
The last major remnant of Saddam Hussein's nuclear program - a huge stockpile of concentrated natural uranium reached a Canadian port Saturday to complete a secret U.S. operation that included a two-week airlift from Baghdad and a ship voyage crossing two oceans.
The removal of 550 metric tons of "yellowcake" - the seed material for higher-grade nuclear enrichment - was a significant step toward closing the books on Saddam's nuclear legacy. It also brought relief to U.S. and Iraqi authorities who had worried the cache would reach insurgents or smugglers crossing to Iran to aid its nuclear ambitions.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-secretly-takes-yellowcake-from-iraq/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iGsSYEB0bA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iGsSYEB0bA
Wait a minute
Assad. The ruler of Syria is a very bad man.
He used chemical weapons on his subjects.
We supported the rebels who opposed Assad.
But wait the rebels apparently have United to form ISIS
the Islamic state of greater Syria. Which includes northern Iraq. And ISSA. is attacking our forces in Iraq
So our rebels are fighting US.
Northern Iraq is the ancient ASSYRIA . Whose capital was Nineva. Assyria conquered Babylonia(1) Egypt,Israel and anyone else that was around. They took the ten "lost" tribes of Israel away to captivity .Never to be heard of since. They were very bad people.
Southern Iraq is the ancient Babylonia.
Babylonia (2) lead by Nebudcadnezzer. Conquered Assyria. So they had to be very bad people too.
They captured the last 2 tribes of Israel
The Medes and Persians. Conquered Babylonia.
They freed the last 2 tribes of Israel.
The Persians were defeated by the Spartans a City in Greece. And they, the Persians, were eventually conquered by Alexander the Great who came from Macedonia.
My point is the sooner we get Greece and Bulgaria involved fighting the ISSA. The better off we will be.
And, no, John McCain does not have the solution.
Two bottles of Liquid Plumber and flare gun launch vehicle?
I'll start worrying when they've found the stash of pressure cookers.
"The al-Muhanna 'mega-facility', about 60 miles south of Baghdad"
First, it's spelled Muthanna.
Second, it is indeed south of Baghdad. How the fuck did they get south of Baghdad (which is one helluva lot closer to Basra than Mosul is)?
This whole narrative on ISIS doesn't pass the smell test at all. 3 to 5K guys against millions of Iraqis? Come on...
I assume this is simply more CIA propaganda and bullshit designed to bring Maliki down?
Millions of people that went through decades of besiegement by 'americans', two wars, destruction of their government-State etc
Everyone over the age of 13 owns an AK there.
My God! A perceptive contribution by AnAnonymous!
He must be off having a (roadside) dump and his wife managed to get at his keyboard.
spook: Mr Maliki, it looks like 10,000 fighters, all heading for here.
"Perhaps I should head over to Iran."
"That might be a good idea."
listen soldier the technique works it is called stand down.
used on 911 used in ukraine.
in this case the generals in iraq took orders from the cia
Methinks they have a bit more than 3 to 5k guys...
They hold towns, cities, and border crossings across 2 nations, and can conduct simultaneous oeprations in multiple locations, and still have no problems holding on to all of their territories at the same time.
Methinks they have a bit more than just 3 to 5k guys...
Muthanna province is south of Bagdad, the Al Muthanna Toxic Waste Dump is in the same general area as Balad, per the often both inept and dishonest CIA (which is north of Baghdad but closer than anyone other than war mongers would like to admit ... 33.85,43.85)
Not only that quoted piece, but the bit about it being sealed up with cement, and then further the quote about experiments in Syria...
All these inconsistencies lead me to believe that ZH has been subverted/compromised as a faithful outlet
did you not read the ZH disclaimer?
http://www.zerohedge.com/node/13972
The human-Hylux hybrid delivery vehicle.
Guaranteed martyrdom, virgins, and eternal bad-assness for all operators.
That stupid wench puss sack should really just keep her mouth shut (in a Proverbs 17:28 kind of way) as to "military value" ...
heh.
We spent 2 trillion and couldn't find it???????????????????????????????????????????????????????
These fucktards found it in 2 weeks????????????????????????????????
Get all your renegade chickens in the coop.
Load it up.
Kill them all.
I'm going to assume that the concrete seals are indicative of the fact that they were sealed by the UN inspectors before Shrub's invasion, and thus it was never mentioned as it would lend credence to the argument that they had been destroyed.
They had the map.
Bush/Cheney/Rumsfield have the receipts. No returns, no refunds, no exchanges. Joke is on them.
I predict next they manage to find MH370.
Then Waldo.
The Telegraph story is incredible...LACKING ANY CREDIBILITY.
The Neocons are shameless.
We occupied Iraq for many years and "found nothing". Then two weeks after the ISIS incursion...all of a sudden...EUREKA???
Then the press expects the public to buy into this crock of shit?
Then the press responds, "Oh we did know."
But they failed to report it, widespread, and kept the public ignorant???
The unfortunate truth is that they will buy into this bullshit because they lack the ability to think critically.
That is why there are NO POLITICAL SOLUTIONS.
"The Iraqi ass map?"
Three Kings reference? :)
Experiments in Syria? No shit?
isis = cia = al qaeda = banksters = bush crime syndicate = rockefeller nazis....
this story gets old.
ISIS is the USA's and John McCain's team all the way!
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=196_1403192534
Oh FFS... this is as bad and lame as an episode of NCIS... Get new writers shitheads! The narrative is boooorrring.
But, the ISIS leader said "see you in New York" a few days ago, and now they have chemical weapons....... Oh god, oh god, oh god........ Please save us from the terrists Obama........
That is how the sheeples are supposed to interpret this idiotic bullshit. And they will.......
I'm really concerned about them coming over here if we don't get them there. I've tried, but I can't find where I report to be a coast watcher. I also can't find any beach defenses along our coast, they could land any day now, unappossed. Come to think of it, they could somehow infiltrate our Southern Border, perhaps we need out defenses there? Just shoot anyone crossing the border, we can stop them.
Another ploy is just to infect a bunch of mexicans with communicable diseases and flood them over the border. That's a real bio warfare strategy.
They are already doing that.
How to secure the border. Put a marine sniper every 300yards along the border and tell them the Gunny will tear them a new one if they shoot someone in the back.
Semper Fi
But, the ISIS leader said "see you in New York" a few days ago, and now they have chemical weapons....... Oh god, oh god, oh god........ Please save us from the terrists Obama........
Ah ha! So that's what MH370 was for.
Finally, it all begins to make sense...
Just some mudlums with a middle east chemistry set
nothing to see here move along
Unpossible!
I'd bet a pound to a pinch of shit that if any WMDs are there, the label will say 'Made in USA'
You betcha. Rumsfeld still has the packing list and receipt of sale.
that incident on 9/11 took care of that...
More importantly if true, was the hiding of these Bushes attempt to help BO into the Oval Office.. The webs these creatures weave is dizzying..
US presidents are not the true PTB.
If you've seen a face, they aren't the ones with power, just their spokespeople/puppets.
That's the dizzying part.
"Achmed, look! This building has a skull and crossbones!"
"Yes, Abdul! That must mean powerful munitions are here."
"Look at this funny shell! Unscrew the nose, we'll get the gunpowde---"
Pay attention; I'm only going to show you this once.
"we have seen that ISIS has used chemicals in explosions in Iraq before and has carried out experiments in Syria"
Damn I wish these lying war mongering fucks would make up their mind. I thought it was Assad who used chemical weapons in Syria.
more "me" than "we"?
WTF?
Now that "we" have taken the Iraq Chemical Weapons complex "we" will have to liberate it as well.
That was the old story when our al qaida was the good guys.
Now theres a new story because the good al qaida guys tossed out the bad al qaida guys and now we can blame them.
I think it's their idea of being clever.
You don't have to be too careful about consistency when hardly anyone is watching what's going on.
Sit back and look, with open eyes, at the world we live in.
If it was a work of fiction it would be written off as too fucking stupid.
Time for another beer.
Look! Squirrel!
I'm calling psyop bullshit on this whole M.E. narrative........
it might start getting confusing for the sheeple, but thankfully they are so dumbed down they don't even notice the good guy/ bad guy 3 card monte game ... Huxley nailed it
i'm calling psy op on the whole "we" bullshit.
more like "you and you."
don't mess with the phosphorus, that's ours bitchez
60 miles south of Baghdad?
exactly.
It's spelled wrong. It's Muthanna.
maybe he has the Rumsfeld "east, south, west, north " compass?
Well, just a few days ago they were north of/on their way to Baghdad.
Now they are....south. Not just south, but 60 miles south...of Baghdad.
Did the CIA fuck with their GPS? It couldn't be that easy.
it belongs to the Iranians! ha
Don't believe what you read in the papers...
Some retard probably typed Al Muthanna into google looking for a chemical weapons complex and got the back the name of province and ran to show off their stupidity to the world.
Either that or they failed land nav miserably, N 33.85, E 43.85 is the closest set of round coordinates to the west gate).
Tyler just pulled an OnionTM
Are we sure they weren't made recently? Were they paid for by SA?
So...we spent more than $1T to destroy and rebuild their country under the auspices of the presence of WMD, yet after 10 years and counteless lives lost and injuried, the only building we missed was the chemical weapons factory with bunkers that contain "large quantities of unfilled chemical munitions, conventional munitions, one-ton shipping containers, old disabled production equipment and other hazardous industrial chemicals"?
The stuff was found by UN a long time ago.
Wow. Talk about taking the long road to Syria.
O and the fucking NeoCon/NeoLib psychos absolutely will stop at nothing to get these crazy fucks armed up.
But...we need to look to Australia for our gun control policy.
Yessir. That's some shit....
Would you please stop posting. Every time I view your avatar it makes me laugh.
/sarc
Yeah, I imagine his voice reading the posts as well.
better call saul
Were all the weapons in so called "Mega-Facility" labeled, "HECHO EN MEXICO"?
I don't want to even think about all the shit that's being shipped on to Amerikan soil from Mexico right now!
It's rather impolite to call those immigrant children 'shit'.
We prefer to look at them as future American citizens with free college diplomas and Democrat voters.
I perfer to look at them as 'mobile biological weapons'. Small pox, plague, Necrotizing Fasciitismrsa, Polio,sepsis, ect...
Obunga Care signups?
"Clowardo-Pivenero."
Are we sure that's not one of the CIA's middle east WMD factories?
more likely this is the back story for something they are planning to do. It seems all the murder and beheadings aren't enough, by "they" I mean you know who.
"They"? Remember, if you can't talk about someone, they own you.
Positive not one of CIA factories, all are in Israel.
Years ago, while doing security at a place, ALL of the Israeli scientists who showed up came straight from Israel.
I think they spy, get the plans, make the stuff better, then sell it back to us. An old Tribal trick.
The ISIS have overrun a facility 60 miles south of Baghdad! This isn't going to be a picnic on routing them from Iraq.
Looks like we'll get a vietnam style war in Iraq after all.
Need to chopper of the embassy roof, then go back to war for it to be perfect.
Doesn't have to be.....
These fuck-knocks might carpet bomb this fucking count....
wait...not much money in that...
BOOTS ON THE FUCKING GROUND
MIC....A RE-DO!
FUNNY MONEY BAGS FOR EVERYONE.....
cunts....
"Its just a model" (famous king)
And now they openly admit that Assad wasn't responsible for using chemical weapons in Syria?
“We have seen that Isis has used chemicals in explosions in Iraq before and has carried out experiments in Syria.”
So much bullshit they can't even keep their lies straight anymore.
So much bullshit they can't even keep their lies straight anymore.
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No. 'Americans' usually remove their propaganda when they think they have reached a point of no return.
'Americans' love to report that they would have acted otherwise if they had known otherwise.
Stuff like what they call "white guilt" is part of that fantasy.
'Americans' revealed some time ago they knew or at least had the biggest doubts on the responsibles for the chemical attacks.
Telling it allows 'americans' to assert their domination.
It takes 'americans' to think that Putin push to get Syria (the 'friend' to Russia) to disarm is a splendid move.
The situation was that parties around the table knew that Syria's government was very unlikely to commit the chemical attacks. Yet Putin, through brilliance of mind, managed to cripple his syrian 'friend' by getting the Syrian government to disarm weaponry they did not use.
Putin managed to get Syria punished for nothing and gave 'americans' leverage on Syria as Putin led Syria to commit themselves to destroy their chemical arsenal. Any failure with compliance to execute the obligations is being used by 'americans' as a way to pressure Syria.
The best part: 'americans' nearly immediately after the agreement, revealed that the Syrian government was probably not involved.
Point of no return reached, they no longer needed to maintain their propaganda, they asserted their domination on Syria as both sides know now the punishment came out of the blue.
'Americans' have the seat they love so much: the bully with the illusion of justification.
All provided by Putin, that mastermind.
It's been some time now Putin has been doing the 'american' work.
That is probably why it takes an 'american' to tell that Putin is a smart chessplayer.
Guy has been working for them for a long time now.
And yet your rivers are filled with swine and you still shit on the side of the road. (and wipe your asses with your hands)
Leave it to a chinaman to see things through commie-red-tinted glasses. Make yourself useful for once in your ill-conceived life and take down the netting on the Foxxcon dorm buildings.
That course of action would be much more useful if that was adopted by 'americans'.
They have the guns and self termination is possible.
An Anonymous just get's his guts squeezed out buy a tank in Tiananmen Square?
I see that your PRC/PLA-issue Mandarin to Engrish transration dictionary has failed you yet again. They have the guns and self-determination is possible would be the correct transration. That, or it might probabry be too much blobbing up of the night soil into your cranial vaccum.
This Bullshit has reached epidemic levels. It's alive, has a contingency rate of 97%, and is now mutating.
It is spread via the ear canal or begins to incubate in the visual cortex. Next it spreads to the vocal cords and shuts down all cognitive reasoning skills.
Symptoms include depression, degradation of memory, and the induction of a catatonic state whenever confronted with a "question".
The T-graph article has a link to the CIA report on that site for those who wish to go through it.
Part of ISIS is made up of Sadams old Bath party soldiers. One of them may know where Sadams old chemical weapons were burried near their old weapons factories. So this is a credible possibility. If true, they will use such weapons. More bad actors to wroory about.
The story is absolutely incredible. If Saddam had Chemicals he'd have used them against invading US and UK Forces.
HE DID NOT.
If you ever watch Football the vanquished team USES their Timeouts. As many coaches have said...You can't use them once the game is over.
If the US were being invaded and we did not use our Nuke Strike capabilities then that is TRAITOROUS. The Military Officers in charge should be shot if they refused to use them.
Saddam and his army was NO DIFFERENT. Their country was under invasion. It would have been TRAITOROUS to have not used any means possible to repel an invasion force. The Iraqis are also human. Their leaders were also PSYCHOPATHIC MONSTERS, as OUR LEADERS ARE.
They'd have used them, pal.
BUT THEY DID NOT...BECAUSE THEY DID NOT HAVE THEM TO USE.
Sadam did whip our one tactical batch of nerve gass and use it once in the past on his own people.
"he gassed his own people!"
good monkey, now go back to sleep
Hey Squirrel Vasectomy? The reported 100,000 Kruds and Shia gassed is a laughing matter to you? Or the thousands of Iranians gassed by Saddam? Effing Mohammedan.
were they "his own people" or was he just continuing a religious/ sectarian war that had been going on for centuries? ... need to stop with the bullshit propaganda lines or we might have 4500 dead soldiers for no apparent reason...oh wait, that already happened thanks to delusional ziocon/ neocon idiots like you
No it wasn't so much sectarian, as it was the ruling power punishing those whom dared to exercise the least bit of autonomy from the Baathists. The died in vain 4,500 is squarely upon Obama, Reid, and Pelosi. Neocon means someone who was a socialist turned conservative.
Did Hitler use chemical weapons against the Allies as they were crushing the SS Waffen?
bad attempt at Hitler analogy! minus 10,000 shekels for you
Why is that pray tell. It is a most apt analogy.
Did the Japanese Imperial Army use chemical weapons against the Americans?
Did the Syrians use them against Israel when the IDF marched within 25 miles of Damascus in 1973? or vice versa?
Did Egypt use them against Israel when the IDF, specifically General Ariel Sharon's division crossed the Suez in October 1973 and cut off hundreds of thousands of Egyptian troops and marched within 50 miles of downtown Cairo?
no, and no, and no... but i still don't get your point ...
did we use chemical weapons when the russians bombed Pearl Harbor?
The orginal thread concluded that if Saddam had chemical munitions, he would have used them against the American, ergo, he didn't because he didn't.
i actually think we agree - Saddam didn't have shit, but we sent alot of kids to die for no reason...
it still wouldnt matter...
there was no legitmate reason under international law to attack, invade, and occupy country without provocation, and then install a puppet government...
Fuck the US government.
You are right.
And fuck Tony Blair. A good friend of mine is a very senior lawyer and was one of the panel of top legal experts called upon by Bliar to advise on the legality of war, and who told him squarely it was illegal. As a result, he had to lean on the Attorney-General to provide a supportive opinion (itself very flawed legally and caveated). The whole 45 minutes debacle and the death of Dr Kelly ensued to ensure war. Even now, the eminences-gris are trying to hamstring the Chilcot enquiry (which is in any event deliberately very limited in ambit) by preventing disclosure/publication of Blair's correspondence with Dubya.
Tony B liar.
Words fail me when I try to come up with a description of this......
Embodiment of evil springs to mind.
And then he gets appointed Middle East Peace Envoy!
Who says TPTB don't have a sense of humour?
Tony Blair should be strung up by his testicles ... same for dubya and Cheney should be tortured first then tazerd until his 4th heart gives out,
Funny one.
ISIL found nothing. That is just the regular 'american' staging act where they picture the bad guys as the true real bad ass.
It is just another propaganda trick by this site to pander to the 'american' middle class that come here.
The article does not read anywhere that 'americans' did not know the site.
If indeed, this site had anything that could resemble with WMDs, 'americans' would have revealed that info a long time ago to justify their previous invasion.
Next: ISIL has taken over Hussein's former personal palace which is known to be the HQ from where he pulled all the strings.
An Anony-a-Clown> Here's a funny one. China has sum ting wong wit its rithmatic. We no hab delibery fo bank note.
China the land of "roadside shitting peasants" .
.
True. Something can not be found if everyone has been aware of its location since the 1980s.
In fact it reads the opposite. CIA actually had annual production figures from the site in the 1980s. CIA advisors probably directed operation of the place back then when the mad man from the desert Saddam Hussein was still a staunchest US partner.
It also tells the British said destruction of the site would be difficult and challenging (read too expensive to justify). So it was concretized and left as someone else's problem.
ISIS invaded and took over a toxic waste dump. Sounds like the story line for a new Troma film: Toxic Jihadi Avenger.
That is undeniably true. Not even 'americans' can deny it without vigorous exertions. Those 'mobile chemical labs' ring a bell?
Toxic Jihadi Avenger 2: The Mad Man's Desert Palace of Doom
Screw International law.
When a guy goes to whack your Daddy, then your looking at Texas law and Texas law say your gonna go kick some ass.
Hard.
ammerican sponsored genoicied of shiaa iraqi commencing soon.
fuck yes. world war commeth bitches. it cometh.
This would have everything to do with a lot of pressure being placed on Tony Blair presently, including calls for him to be impeached for lying to Parliament about existence of, er, Iraqi WMD's. It also shores up calls for new military intervention in Iraq due to, you guessed it, WMD's.
Oh mighty ISIS!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYmbt2RVqCg
riiiiiiiight.....so CIA-SIS magically find "Saddams WMD" 11 years on. Good one.
Read the article. It was a known facility that had been disabled. It wasn't a secret.
Obama foreign policy.
1. Backed the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt while the Egyptian people firmly reject the radical group.
2. Removed Libyan leader Qaddafi under the guise of the Arab Spring which led to eventually Benghazi and likely the transfer of Libyan arms to Syrian Al Qaeda in a CIA operation.
3. Opposes Syrian dictator Assad and supports the Al Qaeda and ISIS.
4. Opposes intervening in Iraq militarily which undoubtedly gives ISIS free reign.
I believe in nearly every case the US and the Obama Administration is supporting the wrong side. I just wonder what this will eventually lead to ...
'Americans' foreign policy is clear: put a government friendly to 'americans' everywhere.
That is all.
way to simplistic. For starters our government doesnt's give a shit about Americans.
All so very accommodatingly conveeeeeenient!
30 year-old chemical weapons are hardly WMDs. Remember, it was about aluminum tubes and mushroom clouds, not mustard gas. Only later when they found nothing did they start to change the definition. Incidentally, in the US a pipe bomb can be a WMD now under law.
I thought that was pressure cookers.
So U.S. policy is, "we want Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri Maliki" out , but we want ISIS to make like sheep and get along with everyone before we threaten to draw a new pink line in the sand?
The Obunga administration needs a much bigger fan to sling their shit on! People are growing fatigued, and increasingly nervous. The days of obfuscation through complexity are over.
Sheep. Not very likely. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/06/19/isis-holds-festive-public-execution-in-syria-complete-with-music-and-small-children-in-attendance-graphic/
Full retard bread & circuses.
What part of my comment above, did you miss? You're being gamed! What about the asshat flying the drone from Vegas to the Afghan wedding?
"... but, of course, the other awkward question is: does this mean Saddam did have WMDs (and ISIS found them) after all?"
ZH becoming part of the status quao disinfo squad?
How can there be anything of this ordeer after the duration of US occupation?
The real question is: Whos chain is being jerked and who's pulling it?
If you're a Brit you take articles on the Middle East published
from either the Telegraph or the Times with a pinch of salt.
Think of them as press releases from the FCO instead.
Dude, we have already passed the Event Horizon where they can't tell their bullshit from the Truth.
you can't make this shit up. well, maybe you can. news at 11, 4, 6, 2, 4, 9, 7, 3, 5, 1, 10. oh and 10;30.
Place was hit in the Gulf War
http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/al_muth_ii/al_muth_ii_s03.htm
Inspected by UN, transformed into a CW agent destruction facility.
https://www.cia.gov/library/reports/general-reports-1/iraq_wmd_2004/chap...
Two damaged bunkers were sealed, deemed too unsafe to enter. Other facilities repeatedly scavenged/looted. Brit Ministry of Defense was supposedly training Iraqi's to dispose of the remnants in 2012
https://www.dstl.gov.uk/downloads/Legacy%20Chemical%20Weapons.pdf
thanks for the update. sounds like there dead picking them up. BTFD. ok kids, under the desk. no smoking but you can blow you buddy.
They are planted......CIA ISIS FIND THEM AS WE INSTRUCT YOU....WHAT A JOKE!!!!!!!
Does anyone have any idea of the ISIS numbers? (It doesn't appear so.) Geography was never my strong point but northern Iraq looks
like quite a large place. It's doesn't seem to add up that they could achieve such territorial gains so quickly without numbers in the tens
of thousands rather than the low thousands.
I would suspect that over the course of the last week or so they've had thousands of new recruits join their cause for a variety of
reasons. (Everyone wants to be on the winning side, Sunni political/religious grievances, when the highlight of your day is a bowl
of rice war is a step up, not down, for young men, strong religious beliefs in an afterlife mean you are less likely to avoid activities
that could result in your death, etc.)
Also, thinking about it now, no-one Western looking wants to get anywhere near these nutcases because they'll be executed
on the spot so no-one has any accurate intellegence as to what the fuck is going on at ground level until the sky is full of
reconnaissance drones.
In summary then, I think I've answered my own question.
Don't always eat what you're fed...did you see them? We are like GLD, derivatives of the truth. So easily manipulated as we all want and accept as truth what supports our positions. How easy to use this against us.
So, you're saying that when the MSM says there was no CBRN or WMD that we shouldn't believe them? (CBRN is the bad stuff, WMD is the delivery system). If so, I agree. Many Kurds were killed with CBRN, they were in country then and are probably still there now, in a much degraded state.